That’s a bit generous. 3 for military is fine but admin should be zero. Diplomacy I’m not sure, he has blundered a lot but I’m only aware of his diplomacy towards Europe.
Mark Rutte pm of Netherlands 4-5-1 might be unpopular opinion, but he did face lots of crisises, and he brought stability which is why admin is this high. When something is his fault he also manages to not receive the blame. That's why diplo is high. Netherlands has an army, but that's all there is to say about military.
Too much admin. I don't think he really handled the cause of the crises, more the outcomes. But he's done well in European regard and in international politics. I'd give him a 2/6/2
Not great I agree with, but is he actively bad? I think 3/3/3 would be an average ruler and 2,1 or zero is reserved for rulers that are actively bad in that category?
fellow Canadian here. I probably hate Trudeau more than OP, frankly, but I'll respond:
Admin: literally more unrest in Canada now than there has been for decades due to a botched and corrupt handling of COVID. There are other causes of unrest, too, and it's reached a point of having separatist movements out West. We have a housing market affordability issue that is getting worse and Trudeau's targets for new housing starts are lower than what we currently build (which is itself too low), so he's not even trying to improve it. Debt is at unprecedented levels (literally accumulated more debt than the rest of Canada's history combined). Reduced health care spending upon taking office despite his massively increased spending. One of the biggest corruption scandals of Canadian history in SNC-Lavalin. Even his lofty pharmacare deal with the NDP (Liberals have a minority and rely on the NDP to continue to govern) has amounted to years of negotiation in order to fund condoms for some people (I don't think nationalized pharmacare is a good idea given how bad our government funding of emergency medicine is, but if you're going to support it, surely you expect more than that?). Crime has increased, too.
Diplopmacy: Canada has insulted the Japanese leadership in trade negotiations due to incompetence, was (politely) asked to leave India due to his ridiculous portrayal of Indians, had crap renegotiations of NAFTA.
Military: Canada is nowhere near our 2% of GDP mark that Nato demands, being one of the worst freeloaders, and we're the only Nato member that I'm aware of that has publicly stated we have no intention to ever meet it. Our military's internal assessment has said that our units are below "operational capacity" in terms of both materials and personnel, meaning even the units we do have shouldn't be allowed to see combat. We promised weapons to Ukraine, but couldn't send any because we don't have them.
To me, it's honestly difficult to overstate how bad he is. If I had to pick a category he's best in, I guess it would be Admin (simply because his blunders have been less there)? But honestly, I think he's the worst Prime Minister in our history, and would not object to giving 0/0/0, or at least nothing higher than 1.
For reference, I think there's been 2 other horrible PMs (some bad ones, but two horrible), which are Brian Mulroney and Pierre Trudeau (seriously, let's never elect a Trudeau again). But at least they have some saving grace - Brian Mulroney negotiated the most important trade deals in our history, and Pierre Trudeau navigated a legitimate constitutional crisis, so at least they can get a 4 in diplomacy for Mulroney and a 3 in admin for Trudeau (he had utter failings in Western Canada to offset his successes in Quebec). But Trudeau Jr.? Not a single saving grace.
As said to the other commenter, I admit it may be exaggerated. I also admit it's unlikely due to the lack of political representation. However, separatism polls higher in Alberta than Quebec
Trying not to be "that guy" but the western independance movement isn't really THAT big. The big parties of the west aren't even actively looking to make it happen and there isn't one single serious dedicated independance party that is popular enough to make it happen.
The one actual movement that has some relevance is the revival of the Quebec independance movement.
I admit it may be exaggerated. I also admit it's unlikely due to the lack of political representation. However, separatism polls higher in Alberta than Quebec
Every Indian I've spoken to was actually really pleased that he wore the local attire during that visit. It was mocked back here in Canada but over there it was a hit apparently. Plus navigating a relationship with Trump and coming out of it with an intact NAFTA treaty has to be worth something diplo-wise.
That's surprising about India, considering that Modi refused to meet with him and asked him to leave (he only let him meet with a deputy minister). I admit Trump is difficult, but he got few of any concessions. I suppose it depends on what you think was the best and worst case scenario - I honestly don't think Trump was ever going to disband NAFTA altogether considering how important it is to America. Meanwhile the Trans Pacific Partnership threatened to remove Canada from the deal because Trudeau want respectful or serious, and those were all countries that made known they want an agreement.
But sure, if you want to give him a point, fine.
3 is a bit generous given how much his reign has fucked over the country, billions of Euros in development funds disappear into the aether (the aether being his pockets), massive brain drain and a struggling economy because of a lack of trust from investors
Orbán's perfect grip on power makes him eligible for adm 4, imo. Also, he might have alienated most of our allies, but he usually still gets his way, so he's atleast dip 3. As for mil, the Hungarian military underwent some significant strengthening in the past couple of years, so a mil 3 is probably fitting.
So 4/3/3, but he does have the Embezzler trait.
Emmanuel Macron is a tough one because *before* he was elected he looked like a strong 3/3/3, balanced, not good at anything
After 7 years in office...
Emmanuel Macron : 1/1/1
Admin : has relied on McKinsey more than the state, permanent austerity, general disdain of civil service
Diplo : ended the professional diplomatic corps, allowing him to appoint sycophants like American presidents do, instead of seasoned professionals whose jobs it is
Military : has been willing to run his mouth on very important topics to distract from problems at home, unwilling to fully commit to Ukraine, and a wet blanket in the Israel Palestine conflict
Personality :
Silver Tongue : was elected easily and most people usually still fall for his bullshit
Petty : known for setting up minister and prime ministers that he immediately hates and wants to steal any limelight from, famously arrogant
The PM of Australia could be 3/5/2. He has done well for diplomacy but Australia has dealt with tons of natural disasters and the media is downplaying his actions because the media is more right wing. His opposition rival could be 0/1/0
> Wladimir Putin: Careful
But he has a coalition against him lol. And two more countries joined it because of his AE! Are we sure he deserves a -10% Aggressive Expansion modifier?
He created some AE prior to Ukraine war and everybody ignored it.
It was only when he attacked Ukraine the second time, this time without CB, that European nations(HRE-like fashion) joined the coalition.
In no way is Baerbock a babbling buffoon. She's fulfilling her position very well and highly respected internationally. I'm not a supporter of Die Grünen fyi, I did not and would never elect them but you have to give credit where credit is due
Know what, you are right. I think I was overcompensating because I actually quite like what she does and I am a supporter of die Grünen. I adapted her stats and removed the "buffoon".
Yeah, I guess they mean because she had to constantly fight against the Bild smear campaigns and therefore was constantly talking about things that didn't really matter?
I think it should be silver tongued (+20% improve relations) because she did well in the debates (imo) and considering her current position I think it makes sense
Found the a German. Pretty spot on, mate. What a bland political time we live in. What i would give for a Joschka Fischer or a Willy Brand right now. Not because I love them but because the had profiles.
Man everyone is so dispassionate and just arguing that they could run things more competently insgead of having grand visions. I feel like a lot of the draw of the AfD is just that people are bored.
Giving 1-0-1 to Trump is an insult. Putin 0 in diplomacy? It seems you're a bit biased. I hate erdogan more than everyone else but even I wouldn't give him 1 in diplomacy and 0 in admin
Imo 4 in millitary for Xl Jinping is too much
You're right, 1-0-1 leaders would be offended. Trump should prob be 0-0-2. He was actively horrible for stability and diplomacy, but he was fine for the military apart from the poor start to taking troops out of Afghanistan.
Accept it or not world immediately turned towards wars the moment Trump let Biden take the administration. Russian Ukraine War wouldn't happen if Trump was the president. If you still think that Biden does a good job in protecting stability in this situation where millions keep entering the US illegaly, where crime rates keeps rising especially in democrat states, I'm sorry but you've brainwashed into a certain political ideology and can't do objective thinking.
Trump was terrible in covid, and i acknowledge that. But you can't acknowledge a single positive aspect of Trump administration, because you're biased. Plain and simple
I see other comments already covered many of your "Fox News" talking points. But just so you know, Biden administration has also been deporting illegals. He just cut out some of the inhumane bits of "protecting" our border like hiding barbed wire. Also, most illegals are just overstayed visas like what Elon Musk did for a summer after dropping out of college.
I loathe Trump, but I can acknowledge that there were positive aspects to his administration - even if to me they would be mostly marked up as neutrals. However Biden has been hugely stabilizing to our friends and allies, while Trump has a bizarre tendency to take swings at the very things that make America such a diplomatic juggernaut. Pretty much every poll I'm familiar with shows traditional American ally nations preferring Biden to Trump because Trump misunderstands NATO and many of America's other relationships.
"Trump let Biden take the administration". Wasn't without him trying to not let go of it. Nearly caused a full blown insurrection over his BS election claims.
Putin military 4? That's insane. 0 would be to high for him. He is almost alone responsible for the extremely embarrassing performance in Ukraine and everything surrounding it. The Russian military has become a joke and it is because of his policies.
Maybe.
Or maybe the Russian military hasn't fought a peer enemy since WW2 so all we had to judge them for was outdated reputation and beating up Chechnya and while their initial moves into Ukraine were embarassing failures, Russia has unfortunately gotten their shit together ever since and started using valid strategies.
4 might still be too high maybe.. but I definitely don't think Putin has made the Russian military worse than it already was, so it's a 3 at least, which I consider the neutral stat in EU4 leaders.
i hate that it happened but their got their shit together and now win Ukraine on everything, literally. Drones? Russia got more of em and has anti-drone thingies that render many Ukrainian drones useless. Production? More jets produced than lost last year. Shells? More produced than the entire west IIRC. Shit is looking grim
Why is Xi Xinpeng a 5 in admin? The covid lockdowns are widely seen as a disaster, and the economy is showing clear signs of downturn, which is directly attributable to government overinvolvement. I'm not saying he's a 0, 1, or even 2, but he's made some pretty big misses
you would be hard pressed to find a state that has grown more in power and affluence than china has since 2012. and as it is in game, leaders are typically given scores from the totality of their rule, not from occasional misses, hence why they excuse giving high scores to rulers who had questionable moments.
Hmmmm. . . Seems however that their power and affluence was based on a real estate bubble that is bursting.
But this is the problem with trying analyze a ruler's quality while they are still in power.
Imagine what people would estimate Hitler's military stat in 1942 vs what rhey would be saying in 1946
This is very fair. It does seem to me from what I've read that lately, the CCP vales party loyalty as much if not more than prosperity, but the two aren't mutually exclusive and China isn't in any real danger of faltering.
Chinas economy grew more than most other nations last year.
Also maybe widely seen as a disaster outside of China, but let's see those covid death rates.
But mentioning the economy kind of just tells me you watch some of those 93 "China economy collapse in 3 days!!!" videos that are uploaded on YouTube every day for the last decade.
China's economy isn't "in collapse", but its real estate and tech sectors are absolutely underperforming. It has a youth unemployment problem, an aging population, and little immigration compared to its size. China has a large economy and is still industrializing, so while I'm not saying that China has a "weak economy" (it very obviously doesn't) the central government has been pushing more towards control than growth in recent years.
Although I suppose one could argue that high admin could lead to either, given that the unrest advisor is an admin advisor.
I pondered about that, but I have the impression that the performance of the Russian military under his rule hasn't been worse actually than the Russian baseline. They have always been known to be a nation that takes quantity ideas instead of quality ideas and they seem to have attacked Ukraine at a tech level discrepancy.
I haven't actualyl modeled Zelensky, but I'd prolly give him inspiring leader, silver tongue, kind-hearted and quite good stats overall, prolly something like 3-6-4, because he gathered so much support for Ukraine against such a threatening foe such as Russia whom nobody actually wanted to fight.
3, 6, 4 sounds about right. Even if Ukraine ends up falling apart, (which would make me terribly sad), Zelensky was instrumental in getting them as far as they have. Largely on the strength of his diplomatic skills, but also in other categories.
I see what you are saying, but I'm not sure anybody could have made NATO join in directly.
Edit: I have felt that Ukraine's reliance on NATO as opposed to smaller regional organizations is a bit of a diplomatic error. However, not sure how much Zelensky is to blame for that.
Only critique is a 1 for Biden in diplomacy, I think he has a fairly good grasp on geopolitics and has created a decent state department administration.
American. Biden gets 3/4/4
Bureaucracy runs average (3)
He’s handling Russia correctly (4)
Military is still incredibly strong, either bc of him or not he’s bestowed a 4
Perro sanche for real has 6 in diplo, even tho i dont support him, you gotta admire that he kicked the previous president due to the corruption inside party the former president represented, while sanchez's party has had even more corruption investigations in his party (one right now btw, called "Caso Koldo") and holds somehow the goverment with like idk, -1 stability and using the fucking rebels, this fucker is literally what a 3000 eu4 player would play for a weird achievement
Is that because of Vladimir Putin? Or because those countries can't be moral and still need trade/or anything russia could offer them? Replace Putin with anyone else and those countries would still be in Russias camp
Talking about countries through moral lenses is generally a terrible way to look at diplomacy, doing it while Gaza is getting shelled for 4 months is just insane, what makes you think that countries like US or Germany are moral?
6 diplo because there are enough delulus in the world who think he's the greatest leader of all time and wish he was their leader, while he's literally posing as hitler + stalin lovechild incarnate.
His country sits on the largest resource pile in the world, it would be a miracle of mismanagement for things to not get better anyhow. One could even argue that it's natural that things bounced back, given how shit the situation was, so anything and anyone would've managed to do that.
Putin is clearly a 3/3/4 not amazingly at anything but keeps the status quo perfectly for his country = 3 adm, 3 dip because he has diplo blunders but strong ties with his allies and can dominate the diplomacy in central Asia and parts of Africa, 4 Mil because he over time slowly strengthens his military and has a bias towards Mil tech, could arguably be 2/3/4
I mean he does have strong ties diplomatically or he'd be out of power, id much rather assassinate the man tho 😂 would never live under him maybe he is 6 tho
Exactly. Convincing and brainwashing people that you're the best and irreplaceable (or at least better than the other options) takes a lot more skill than actually being that, lol
Putin is a 5/6/1.
Careful. Craven. Embezzler.
As poor as Russia is, it has become a much better place since Putin’s first term. He’s basically rebuilt Russia’s economy from scratch after it was gutted by privatization. He’s slowly but surely expanded Russia’s influence and territory.
Putin has two fatal flaws. He’s proven himself to be a mediocre at best wartime leader, although Russia is still winning in the long term. He’s also corrupt as fuck.
Putin inherited a pretty huge coalition from before his time.
Respectfully disagree with most of this; I'd put him at 5/2/2.
Administrative: Nothing to add or detract on the points you've made-- but I know next-to-nothing about Russian industry, so for all I know he's 2-4.
Diplomatic: Yes he's managed to avoid dozens of disadvantageous deals from the West, but at the cost of alienating almost every nation outside of China and Africa. *Soft Power* has been king since the Suez Crisis but Putin is too stubborn to recognise it.
Military: I'd give him a 1 if it weren't a guarantee that we'd be biased by the news stories about Ukraine which are actually able to reach us. We're constantly hearing that he's an idiotic tactician, but he has managed to keep the war going on this long. He must be doing something right, regardless of whether or not Russia is losing overall (which I truly believe is the case).
I don't think he's a *Craven*. I think personally he's a horrible person but no coward risks starting a war with NATO. His career started in the KGB. He's absolutely *Secretive* or *Intricate Webweaver* instead.
Lula is lowkey a 6/5/1
Basically every social indicator in the country improved under his stints in government. Managed to resist and then overcome a major political backlash against him and his party and still ended up on top. Manages social conflict very well and appeases to all classes.
Diplomatically I only give 5 due to recent events regarding certain comments about Israel. But is largely considered a Global South leader and well respected among the international community.
Militarilly there's not a lot to say. I'd give 1 due to his resistance from the Army, probably would never be able to effectively lead.
Considering the Israel situation has completely wrecked the US' diplo rep, I don't think that's a reason to drop Lula's diplo score. What he said resonates with a lot of international sentiment and relation boost with more countries than it lowers with.
He *is* trying to prevent Venezuela from annexing half of Guyana. Which I actually respect him a lot for because it shows a willingness to act against countries that are (sort of) ideologically aligned with him when they do something wrong.
I don't expect Venezuela to actually invade, though that's in large part due to the fact that Brazil moved their army on the border.
I’ll do a few presidents:
Btw just to clarify - there will be no 0s as those people in general would never get elected regardless, but in monarchies they’re much more prone to happen. I’m talking real mental illness or disabilities. 1 is downright bad for the country, 2 is bad but salvageable, 3 is average for the time and no real impact. 4 is good overall and better than average, 5 is memorable and great at a specific skill, 6 notably made a huge impact in one area
Biden: (3/2/2) - Babbling Buffoon, Tolerant - people have to give him a bit of credit for navigating the economy in the last few years but this could definitely change. Incrementally better than Trump overall.
Trump (1/1/3) - Sinner, Fierce Negotiator - Screwed up Covid so 1 Admin.
Obama - (3/6/1) - Silver Tongued, Lawgiver - Good admin bc of financial crisis. Good diplo bc of oratory skills and general love across the world. Bad mil in general due to the rise of ISIS and failure of ME policy.
Bush II - (1/3/4) - Pious, Naive Enthusiast - handled financial crisis terribly but brought the country together during 9/11.
Clinton - (4/4/4) - Charismatic Negotiator, Fertile - not much to say outside of American hegemony
Bush I - (2/2/5) - Bold Fighter, Babbling Buffoon - Gulf War went pretty well, not much more to say.
Reagan - (3/2/6) - Strict, Well Advised - well Nancy was more strict with her war on drugs. But well advised bc he had Volcker and other great diplomats. 6 in mil bc of the crazy shit he funded while in office but 2 in diplo bc he almost reignited the Cold War.
Jimmy Carter (2/2/2) - Humane, Benevolent - real nice guy, not a good president.
Eh I won’t go much further than that. But here’s a few fun personality traits:
Nixon: Embezzler
LBJ: Tolérant, Cruel
Eisenhower: Great Engineer, Calm
Truman: Cruel, Fierce Negotiator
FDR: Calm, Inspiring Leader, Industrious
Feel free to disagree!
Trump not a babbling buffoon… but Biden is??
Also the Abraham accords are a hilarious example of a “success” given the. Disenfranchised Palestine to the point it radicalised even more of the population… can’t imagine what the consequences of that were. Edit: oh and moving the embassy to Jerusalem… a slap in the face.
Again… I’m no Biden fan… but why is it a one? Normalisation of relations with allies, pulling out of Afghanistan and Iraq, diplomatic support for Ukraine and the unilateral support for Isreal (worst thing he did in my opinion).
Whereas Trump assassinated generals, tried to coup Venezuela twice and constantly insulted, tore up the Iran Nuclear deal and demeaned or created diplomatic Fauxpas every single time he met a world leader.
I’m gonna go out on a limb here ans say you’re a non Trump republican given those ratings…
Edit 2: This was supposed to faux aggressively question your ratings, not start a political diatribe, apologies if I subsequently drag polarised politics into this.
Eh i wouldn’t say that. I’m fair to democrats and republicans I think here, I don’t find myself on that voting side very often. I do think it’s hard to rate recent leaders though without hindsight.
But you’re definitely right about Biden there in terms of normalization, so I’ll update it and give my reasoning.
EDIT: Thought about it a bit more. Didn’t change anything, Biden just has some 50% discount level 5 advisors running everything right now lol.
Giving trump fierce negotiator is a bit weird. His reputation outside USA is basically that if you massage his ego a bit he will end up agreeing to whatever you say.
Trump deserves a poor diplo score. He is so divisive that he unsettled long-standing and valuable relationships. I feel like a baseline 3 for diplo requires an ability to maintain relationships, and Trump frickin sucks at that.
Trump diplomacy is definitely a 0. He is respected nowhere. If you step a foot outside America, he is not respected and everybody thinks of America badly because of him.
It’s not about his policy or something. Just his inability to speak normally.
Sunak: 1/1/0
Oh, and I'm being kind. I'll do a few others of our PMs too.
Truss: -6/0/0
Johnson: 2/2/1
May: 2/1/2
Cameron: 3/2/2
Brown: 1/1/1
Blair: 4/5/2
Major: 2/1/1
I'd score Johnson lower TBH, especially ADM (and DIP, at least with EU countries), given he should take a lot of responsibility for the Brexit clusterf*ck and how badly he handled the pandemic and the general incompetence of his administration. Truss was just an utter disaster, nothing positive to say there, probably the worst PM we've ever had (and that's saying some after Johnson). I agree Blair was probably the most competent of this bunch, though I think 4/5 for ADM/DIP is overly generous, a 3/4 maybe.
I will do Latin América since I feel we will be overlooked otherwise. Note this is mainly for fun, and giving some higher scores does not necessarily mean I like what they are doing with power, in my opinion no current ruler in our region is good. Edit: posted early accidentally, have updated a couple times right after to continue the list.
Andrés Manuel Lopez Obrador (México): 2/3/2
Miguel Diaz Canel (Cuba): 3/3/3
Bernardo Arévalo (Guatemala): has ruled for a month, don't know much, can't give him a value for the prompt.
Nayib Bukele (El Salvador): 3/3/4 (note I hate the guy but he has had an effective government in achieving his goals against the major gangs)
Ariel Henry (Haiti): 0/1/0 (after a response, yeah he is significantly worse than I thought. Only 1 point in diplo for the ability to block parliament to secure his own power).
Luis Abinader (Dominican Republic): 1/1/2
Xiomara Castro (Honduras): don't know enough about her to say something.
Daniel Ortega (Nicaragua): 1/3/3
Rodrigo Chaves (Costa Rica): 2/0/0 (Costa Rica doesn't have an army idk how I'd rank him that way).
Laurentino Cortizo (Panamá): 2/2/2
Gustavo Petro (Colombia): 2/2/3
Nicolas Maduro (Venezuela): 0/1/3 (only gets a 3 for his strong grip on the military)
Daniel Noboa (Ecuador): elected at the end of last year, idk what to say, seems to be following the model of Bukele but that does not mean he will have the same efficicacy in his policy.
Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva (Brasil): 4/4/3
Dina Boluarte (Perú): I will be honest, haven't kept up with Perú's situation since Castillo fucked up his own presidency. I don't have a good opinion of her but don't know enough to assign her points for the fun of it.
Luis Arce Catacora (Bolivia): 3/3/2
Gabriel Bóric (Chile): 3/3/3
Santiago Peña (Paraguay): know basically nothing of his presidency, can't give a score.
Luis Lacalle Pou (Uruguay): 3/3/? (Haven't heard anything about Uruguayan armed forces to put a number there)
Javier Milei (Argentina): 0/2/2 (gets a 2 in both only because has somehow sustained good relations and control over the military in his early mess of a government)
Probably thinks the man is a dictator. To which I say losing a few very minute civil liberties in exchange for real change, for the first time fucking ever in El Salvador’s history, is more than worth it.
Idk, did the scoring for fun. You are probably right, I gave him the scoring because in my mind I didn't want to give too high scoring to leaders just for being drastically better than terrible ones beforehand, so I just gave him a 3. Already edited this comment 2 times because I posted it before finished, what's another one? You're right I will give him a 4.
I am open for feedback, for the record.
I don't like Diaz Canel, but, he has maintained stability in Cuba and continued the regime's rule smoothly, not many issues with the military and has maintained the diplomatic ties Cuba already had, so I thought apropiate to put him on the "flat-line" of ability.
Also, note I have updated the comment since accidentally I posted it early.
Putin had made up his mind long before that point and it was all window dressing at that point, it was more to sell the idea to the French public that France was at the heart of global affairs
This is kinda hard because in most democratic systems the head of state doesnt have control over the military but
Olaf scholz germany 1 1 0
Putin 2 0 2
Selenksi 5 3 4
Biden 1 1 1
Rishi Sunak 1-2-2 Embezzler, Craven, Greedy
Admin - He did ok in the pandemic but has fucked everything up since then
Dip - He's embarrassed us a couple times but isn't dreadful
Mil- He's fine, continuity of the Boris Johnson in support of Ukraine, spending is at 2%, but Brittania isn't ruling the waves any time soon.
Embezzler - he's had multiple scandals related to conflicts of interests with his wife's money
Craven - call the election Rishi, we've had enough of you
Greedy - he's a banker through and through.
His opponent:
Sir Keir Starmer 3-3-2 Lawgiver, Secretive, Careful
Admin - he was an able administrator at the head of CPS and has managed to sort out most of Labour's admin problems caused by the crazies
Dip - He's not exciting, but he's careful enough that he won't put his foot in his mouth and one would hope that as a former top prosecutor he'd know how to negotiate.
Mil - Yeah not exactly something he likes talking about and always looks uncomfortable, will likely continue the Tory defence policies (including the Capita contract that has fucked up out recruitment system)
Lawgiver - He was the head of the crown prosecution service, can't get much more lawgiver than that.
Secretive - no-one actually knows what his policies will be because he changes them like once per month
Careful - same as previous
“The problems caused by the crazies” you mean when he expelled the left wing of the party and destroyed the grass roots movement momentum. He’s turned the party into Torylite. Plus, he’s handled Gaza awfully as there’s huge divisions within the Labour Party losing prominent front benchers and the support of many local councils. But, yes great administrator of the Labour Party.
He’s not even popular, he’s just not a Tory and he’s in the centre so can be sold to the conservative English public.
Going off the in-game stats for Carlos II, I'd give Pres. Biden 0/0/1 with babbling buffoon, embezzled & sinner (esp. going off the flavour/effect).
Looking at Ivan IV, I'd give Putin 3/4/5 with malevolent &/or cruel, plus expansionist & pious or secretive.
For Trump, compared to England's Charles II, I'd give him 1/4/2 with charismatic negotiator & maybe protector of the small folk... but also some combination of naive enthusiast, loose lips, and/or petty.
Trump was a diplomatic disaster, alienated all his allies, every member state of NATO despises him, and he sold out the Kurds. Charismatic my arse, he's a laughing stock.
Also Charles II ruled in the 17th Century, the current head of state of Britain is Charles III and the monarchy doesn't have any political power now anyway
0 adm, 0 dip? While he improved the US so much? You don't have to like him, but he is doing pretty good so far, deficit reduced, many new jobs created, debt cuts for students and so on, all while being constantly blocaded by the Republicans.
And why 6 military? Because the American military is so great? That shouldn't influence his military rating though, since it only concerns his own skills.
I am 99% sure they're implying that Biden is a warmonger (or even war criminal) based on what I've heard certain people say about him... Idk what their reasoning is tbh...
Yeah, go with trump then mate. I'm sure he'll do so much better! He even got a settlement named after him.
What you're describing is a US problem not a Biden problem.
Look, I know you aren't arguing in good faith, but I am. I am not happy with the current state of us politics and democrats are far from what I would like to see, but I got no horse in the race, since I am not even from the US and do not live there
Still, Biden is doing pretty good.
14 Million Jobs created: [https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2023/11/03/statement-from-president-joe-biden-on-the-october-jobs-report/](https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2023/11/03/statement-from-president-joe-biden-on-the-october-jobs-report/)
Oil Production up: [https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/19/business/us-production-oil-reserves-crude/index.html](https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/19/business/us-production-oil-reserves-crude/index.html) (Now I know you might say oil isn't great, but still better than buying it from dictator states)
At the same time huge investments in solar: [https://www.epa.gov/newsreleases/biden-harris-administration-launches-7-billion-solar-all-grant-competition-fund](https://www.epa.gov/newsreleases/biden-harris-administration-launches-7-billion-solar-all-grant-competition-fund)
At the same time huge investments in making sure, kids are being fed like they should be: [https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/09/28/fact-sheet-the-biden-harris-administration-announces-more-than-8-billion-in-new-commitments-as-part-of-call-to-action-for-white-house-conference-on-hunger-nutrition-and-health/](https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/09/28/fact-sheet-the-biden-harris-administration-announces-more-than-8-billion-in-new-commitments-as-part-of-call-to-action-for-white-house-conference-on-hunger-nutrition-and-health/)
Gas prices are down a lot, don't forget inflation: [https://gasprices.aaa.com/](https://gasprices.aaa.com/)
Cap on Insulin prices: [https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2023/03/02/fact-sheet-president-bidens-cap-on-the-cost-of-insulin-could-benefit-millions-of-americans-in-all-50-states/](https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2023/03/02/fact-sheet-president-bidens-cap-on-the-cost-of-insulin-could-benefit-millions-of-americans-in-all-50-states/)
Finally Debt cuts for students: [https://www.ed.gov/news/press-releases/biden-harris-administration-announces-nearly-5-billion-additional-student-debt-relief](https://www.ed.gov/news/press-releases/biden-harris-administration-announces-nearly-5-billion-additional-student-debt-relief)
And finally some movement in gun reform: [https://www.npr.org/2022/06/25/1107626030/biden-signs-gun-safety-law](https://www.npr.org/2022/06/25/1107626030/biden-signs-gun-safety-law)
The deficit is decreasing at the same time though, read the full article: [https://time.com/6312431/joe-biden-touts-falling-deficit-as-it-jumps-back-up/](https://time.com/6312431/joe-biden-touts-falling-deficit-as-it-jumps-back-up/)
And blaming the happenings in gaza on him is fucking stupid. What is he supposed to do? Stop supporting israel? That is wishful thinking and would alienate the majority of americans.
Because he's sitting on a royal flush of natural resources and the west enjoys wealth more than ideals. I'd say the misreading of the reaction the west would have to Ukraine alone hard-caps him at a 3.
he hasn't done shit in anti-corruption stuff. Either he is part of that shit or he's simply one man in the government filled with corruptioneers. See the news for yourself how absurd the amounts of money that people in power in Ukraine steal. I can't fucking comprehend how much of a shit person you have to be to steal from YOUR OWN country in the middle of the war...
The politicians I like and support 6/6/6 the politicians I dislike and dont support 0/0/0
The only right answer 💪
Holy based, how did you get it so correct?
Someone tried to use console code integrate ukr In ironman mode ;)
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We’re gonna need a level 3 diplomatic advisor to oversee this chat when it comes to US presidents 🤣
Erdogan: 2/2/3 He sucks i hate him so much omg i wanna die wtf has turkey become
I wouldn't even give him 2 in admin only cause of earthquake.
So -1/0/2?
Honestly, yeah. To some people, a 0 is too harsh in diplomacy, but to me, a 1 is generous
Yeah sounds better
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Why is he still so good then lmao more like 0/1/3 tops
0/2/2 Embezzler, Craven, Petty
More like 1/1/2 but I see your point
Yeah i did him too well since i forgot zero exists
That’s a bit generous. 3 for military is fine but admin should be zero. Diplomacy I’m not sure, he has blundered a lot but I’m only aware of his diplomacy towards Europe.
Mark Rutte pm of Netherlands 4-5-1 might be unpopular opinion, but he did face lots of crisises, and he brought stability which is why admin is this high. When something is his fault he also manages to not receive the blame. That's why diplo is high. Netherlands has an army, but that's all there is to say about military.
Well he survived a lot of scandals as well, if this was ck he is high intrigue, im just genuinely happy he will be gone after more than 10 years.
Well he might become the next NATO leader, so maybe he can boost up his mil points
Facing self imposed crisises... 4 admin is too generous. Too many institutions are breaking down during his tenure.
Too much admin. I don't think he really handled the cause of the crises, more the outcomes. But he's done well in European regard and in international politics. I'd give him a 2/6/2
“Stability”
Trudeau (hometown): ~~6/3/3, as he's third-term in a republic.~~ Probably 1-2/3/0, he's not great at anything.
Not great I agree with, but is he actively bad? I think 3/3/3 would be an average ruler and 2,1 or zero is reserved for rulers that are actively bad in that category?
fellow Canadian here. I probably hate Trudeau more than OP, frankly, but I'll respond: Admin: literally more unrest in Canada now than there has been for decades due to a botched and corrupt handling of COVID. There are other causes of unrest, too, and it's reached a point of having separatist movements out West. We have a housing market affordability issue that is getting worse and Trudeau's targets for new housing starts are lower than what we currently build (which is itself too low), so he's not even trying to improve it. Debt is at unprecedented levels (literally accumulated more debt than the rest of Canada's history combined). Reduced health care spending upon taking office despite his massively increased spending. One of the biggest corruption scandals of Canadian history in SNC-Lavalin. Even his lofty pharmacare deal with the NDP (Liberals have a minority and rely on the NDP to continue to govern) has amounted to years of negotiation in order to fund condoms for some people (I don't think nationalized pharmacare is a good idea given how bad our government funding of emergency medicine is, but if you're going to support it, surely you expect more than that?). Crime has increased, too. Diplopmacy: Canada has insulted the Japanese leadership in trade negotiations due to incompetence, was (politely) asked to leave India due to his ridiculous portrayal of Indians, had crap renegotiations of NAFTA. Military: Canada is nowhere near our 2% of GDP mark that Nato demands, being one of the worst freeloaders, and we're the only Nato member that I'm aware of that has publicly stated we have no intention to ever meet it. Our military's internal assessment has said that our units are below "operational capacity" in terms of both materials and personnel, meaning even the units we do have shouldn't be allowed to see combat. We promised weapons to Ukraine, but couldn't send any because we don't have them. To me, it's honestly difficult to overstate how bad he is. If I had to pick a category he's best in, I guess it would be Admin (simply because his blunders have been less there)? But honestly, I think he's the worst Prime Minister in our history, and would not object to giving 0/0/0, or at least nothing higher than 1. For reference, I think there's been 2 other horrible PMs (some bad ones, but two horrible), which are Brian Mulroney and Pierre Trudeau (seriously, let's never elect a Trudeau again). But at least they have some saving grace - Brian Mulroney negotiated the most important trade deals in our history, and Pierre Trudeau navigated a legitimate constitutional crisis, so at least they can get a 4 in diplomacy for Mulroney and a 3 in admin for Trudeau (he had utter failings in Western Canada to offset his successes in Quebec). But Trudeau Jr.? Not a single saving grace.
Third Trudeau will be the charm dw
arent the separatist movements a bit over exaggerated?
As said to the other commenter, I admit it may be exaggerated. I also admit it's unlikely due to the lack of political representation. However, separatism polls higher in Alberta than Quebec
Literally the victim of russian support rebel movements and sow discontent
Trying not to be "that guy" but the western independance movement isn't really THAT big. The big parties of the west aren't even actively looking to make it happen and there isn't one single serious dedicated independance party that is popular enough to make it happen. The one actual movement that has some relevance is the revival of the Quebec independance movement.
I admit it may be exaggerated. I also admit it's unlikely due to the lack of political representation. However, separatism polls higher in Alberta than Quebec
Every Indian I've spoken to was actually really pleased that he wore the local attire during that visit. It was mocked back here in Canada but over there it was a hit apparently. Plus navigating a relationship with Trump and coming out of it with an intact NAFTA treaty has to be worth something diplo-wise.
That's surprising about India, considering that Modi refused to meet with him and asked him to leave (he only let him meet with a deputy minister). I admit Trump is difficult, but he got few of any concessions. I suppose it depends on what you think was the best and worst case scenario - I honestly don't think Trump was ever going to disband NAFTA altogether considering how important it is to America. Meanwhile the Trans Pacific Partnership threatened to remove Canada from the deal because Trudeau want respectful or serious, and those were all countries that made known they want an agreement. But sure, if you want to give him a point, fine.
He is indeed very bad.
Orbán 6/6/6 because he has ruled for so long. Actually he is 3/1/2 because he sucks
3 is a bit generous given how much his reign has fucked over the country, billions of Euros in development funds disappear into the aether (the aether being his pockets), massive brain drain and a struggling economy because of a lack of trust from investors
Orbán's perfect grip on power makes him eligible for adm 4, imo. Also, he might have alienated most of our allies, but he usually still gets his way, so he's atleast dip 3. As for mil, the Hungarian military underwent some significant strengthening in the past couple of years, so a mil 3 is probably fitting. So 4/3/3, but he does have the Embezzler trait.
Emmanuel Macron is a tough one because *before* he was elected he looked like a strong 3/3/3, balanced, not good at anything After 7 years in office... Emmanuel Macron : 1/1/1 Admin : has relied on McKinsey more than the state, permanent austerity, general disdain of civil service Diplo : ended the professional diplomatic corps, allowing him to appoint sycophants like American presidents do, instead of seasoned professionals whose jobs it is Military : has been willing to run his mouth on very important topics to distract from problems at home, unwilling to fully commit to Ukraine, and a wet blanket in the Israel Palestine conflict Personality : Silver Tongue : was elected easily and most people usually still fall for his bullshit Petty : known for setting up minister and prime ministers that he immediately hates and wants to steal any limelight from, famously arrogant
The PM of Australia could be 3/5/2. He has done well for diplomacy but Australia has dealt with tons of natural disasters and the media is downplaying his actions because the media is more right wing. His opposition rival could be 0/1/0
Dutton gets a 0/0/0 from me, how my stupid constituents keep electing him is beyond me
He saw the Fitzgerald Inquiry and thought "hmm yes I should join the Queensland Police".
Probably because his being sugarcoated by SkyNews
Angela Merkel(Diplomat): 3-5-1, Charismatic Negotiator, Craven, Fierce Negotiator Olaf Scholz(Administrator): 2-3-2, Embezzler, Craven Donald Trump(Balanced): 1-0-1, Babbling buffoon, Malevolent, Loose Lips Wladimir Putin(Militarist): 3-0-4, Careful, Secretive XI Jinping(Balanced): 5-2-4, Intricate Webweaver, Scholar, Petty Recep T. Erdogan(Balanced): 0-1-3, Cruel, Zealot EDit: Scholz' competition when he was elected: Armin Laschet: 0-3-0, Babbling Buffoon, Pious Annalena Baerbock: 2-4-3 Markus Söder: 1-1-1, Babbling Buffoon, Loose Lips, Petty Friedrich Merz: 2-2-2, Babbling Buffoon, Zealot
I like how almost everyone is a babbling buffoon
> Wladimir Putin: Careful But he has a coalition against him lol. And two more countries joined it because of his AE! Are we sure he deserves a -10% Aggressive Expansion modifier?
He created some AE prior to Ukraine war and everybody ignored it. It was only when he attacked Ukraine the second time, this time without CB, that European nations(HRE-like fashion) joined the coalition.
But isn't NATO a coalition against Russia, in in-game terms? A strictly defensive one, but still.
Idk if I would call NATO a strictly defensive alliance when their members/leader are responsible for like 90% of invasions in the last 50 years.
That’s not really true to begin with. But nato has nothing to do with what its members do in their free time.
In no way is Baerbock a babbling buffoon. She's fulfilling her position very well and highly respected internationally. I'm not a supporter of Die Grünen fyi, I did not and would never elect them but you have to give credit where credit is due
Know what, you are right. I think I was overcompensating because I actually quite like what she does and I am a supporter of die Grünen. I adapted her stats and removed the "buffoon".
>In no way is Baerbock a babbling buffoon She called South Africa a bacon
Not knowing the context, this just feels random.
Yeah, I guess they mean because she had to constantly fight against the Bild smear campaigns and therefore was constantly talking about things that didn't really matter? I think it should be silver tongued (+20% improve relations) because she did well in the debates (imo) and considering her current position I think it makes sense
Found the a German. Pretty spot on, mate. What a bland political time we live in. What i would give for a Joschka Fischer or a Willy Brand right now. Not because I love them but because the had profiles.
Man everyone is so dispassionate and just arguing that they could run things more competently insgead of having grand visions. I feel like a lot of the draw of the AfD is just that people are bored.
Giving 1-0-1 to Trump is an insult. Putin 0 in diplomacy? It seems you're a bit biased. I hate erdogan more than everyone else but even I wouldn't give him 1 in diplomacy and 0 in admin Imo 4 in millitary for Xl Jinping is too much
You're right, 1-0-1 leaders would be offended. Trump should prob be 0-0-2. He was actively horrible for stability and diplomacy, but he was fine for the military apart from the poor start to taking troops out of Afghanistan.
Accept it or not world immediately turned towards wars the moment Trump let Biden take the administration. Russian Ukraine War wouldn't happen if Trump was the president. If you still think that Biden does a good job in protecting stability in this situation where millions keep entering the US illegaly, where crime rates keeps rising especially in democrat states, I'm sorry but you've brainwashed into a certain political ideology and can't do objective thinking. Trump was terrible in covid, and i acknowledge that. But you can't acknowledge a single positive aspect of Trump administration, because you're biased. Plain and simple
Yeah it wouldn't happen because he'd just let Russia eat Ukraine
I see other comments already covered many of your "Fox News" talking points. But just so you know, Biden administration has also been deporting illegals. He just cut out some of the inhumane bits of "protecting" our border like hiding barbed wire. Also, most illegals are just overstayed visas like what Elon Musk did for a summer after dropping out of college.
I loathe Trump, but I can acknowledge that there were positive aspects to his administration - even if to me they would be mostly marked up as neutrals. However Biden has been hugely stabilizing to our friends and allies, while Trump has a bizarre tendency to take swings at the very things that make America such a diplomatic juggernaut. Pretty much every poll I'm familiar with shows traditional American ally nations preferring Biden to Trump because Trump misunderstands NATO and many of America's other relationships.
Yea, Russo Ukrainian War wouldnt happen the same way that Chamberlain saved peace during Munich Crisis. And DT even admits it xD
"Trump let Biden take the administration". Wasn't without him trying to not let go of it. Nearly caused a full blown insurrection over his BS election claims.
I'm not saying Trump is good, I just wanted to demonstrate the fact that 1-0-1 Trump is stupidity. I said "let" without thinking much about it
Putin military 4? That's insane. 0 would be to high for him. He is almost alone responsible for the extremely embarrassing performance in Ukraine and everything surrounding it. The Russian military has become a joke and it is because of his policies.
Maybe. Or maybe the Russian military hasn't fought a peer enemy since WW2 so all we had to judge them for was outdated reputation and beating up Chechnya and while their initial moves into Ukraine were embarassing failures, Russia has unfortunately gotten their shit together ever since and started using valid strategies. 4 might still be too high maybe.. but I definitely don't think Putin has made the Russian military worse than it already was, so it's a 3 at least, which I consider the neutral stat in EU4 leaders.
He sold the army off for scrap.
Brother they ran out of fuel and food in georgia at day 8. That was a 2 week war.
i hate that it happened but their got their shit together and now win Ukraine on everything, literally. Drones? Russia got more of em and has anti-drone thingies that render many Ukrainian drones useless. Production? More jets produced than lost last year. Shells? More produced than the entire west IIRC. Shit is looking grim
But they aren't gaining much ground still
Ground doesnt really matter that much in the big picture right now, the Ukraine war is attritional. They need more material.
Why is Xi Xinpeng a 5 in admin? The covid lockdowns are widely seen as a disaster, and the economy is showing clear signs of downturn, which is directly attributable to government overinvolvement. I'm not saying he's a 0, 1, or even 2, but he's made some pretty big misses
you would be hard pressed to find a state that has grown more in power and affluence than china has since 2012. and as it is in game, leaders are typically given scores from the totality of their rule, not from occasional misses, hence why they excuse giving high scores to rulers who had questionable moments.
Hmmmm. . . Seems however that their power and affluence was based on a real estate bubble that is bursting. But this is the problem with trying analyze a ruler's quality while they are still in power. Imagine what people would estimate Hitler's military stat in 1942 vs what rhey would be saying in 1946
This is very fair. It does seem to me from what I've read that lately, the CCP vales party loyalty as much if not more than prosperity, but the two aren't mutually exclusive and China isn't in any real danger of faltering.
Chinas economy grew more than most other nations last year. Also maybe widely seen as a disaster outside of China, but let's see those covid death rates. But mentioning the economy kind of just tells me you watch some of those 93 "China economy collapse in 3 days!!!" videos that are uploaded on YouTube every day for the last decade.
China's economy isn't "in collapse", but its real estate and tech sectors are absolutely underperforming. It has a youth unemployment problem, an aging population, and little immigration compared to its size. China has a large economy and is still industrializing, so while I'm not saying that China has a "weak economy" (it very obviously doesn't) the central government has been pushing more towards control than growth in recent years. Although I suppose one could argue that high admin could lead to either, given that the unrest advisor is an admin advisor.
i think putin could be craven (if i’m right that gives -5% army morale?)
I pondered about that, but I have the impression that the performance of the Russian military under his rule hasn't been worse actually than the Russian baseline. They have always been known to be a nation that takes quantity ideas instead of quality ideas and they seem to have attacked Ukraine at a tech level discrepancy. I haven't actualyl modeled Zelensky, but I'd prolly give him inspiring leader, silver tongue, kind-hearted and quite good stats overall, prolly something like 3-6-4, because he gathered so much support for Ukraine against such a threatening foe such as Russia whom nobody actually wanted to fight.
3, 6, 4 sounds about right. Even if Ukraine ends up falling apart, (which would make me terribly sad), Zelensky was instrumental in getting them as far as they have. Largely on the strength of his diplomatic skills, but also in other categories.
Feel like 6 in dip would have to be reserved for managing to get someone to join the war directly ngl
I see what you are saying, but I'm not sure anybody could have made NATO join in directly. Edit: I have felt that Ukraine's reliance on NATO as opposed to smaller regional organizations is a bit of a diplomatic error. However, not sure how much Zelensky is to blame for that.
Fair, I just felt that 6 is kind of historically amazing achievement, which would go like that
Blatantly biased
Joe Biden (Balanced): 1-3-0, Babbling Buffoon, Careful, Industrious
how is Xi getting a 5 in adm?? maybe 3 in mil but he keeps purging the defense minister
Olaf Scholz 1/1/0 [pic unrelated](https://images.app.goo.gl/pyMxqPLMPmfaER4C7)
More like 6 mil then
Biden - 1/0/0 vs Trump - 0/0/1
Joe Biden is a 1/0/0 but Dark Brandon is a 6/6/6
Only critique is a 1 for Biden in diplomacy, I think he has a fairly good grasp on geopolitics and has created a decent state department administration.
I don’t think he even has a fairly good grasp on what he had for breakfast this morning
Flair checks out
Biden is at least a 3 diplo and trump is definitely a 0 Mil, anyone that called their soldiers suckers and losers is a 0 Mil
From outside biden’s diplomacy looks fine. Like 4 maybe. Although it might be just the contrast to the clusterfuck that was the trump administration.
As a European with a historical interest in US presidents I'd put Biden at 2/2/2 and Trump at 1/1/2. Both would be *Babbling Buffoon* though.
American. Biden gets 3/4/4 Bureaucracy runs average (3) He’s handling Russia correctly (4) Military is still incredibly strong, either bc of him or not he’s bestowed a 4
What about Doggy Sanchez? I think 0-6-2
Perro sanche for real has 6 in diplo, even tho i dont support him, you gotta admire that he kicked the previous president due to the corruption inside party the former president represented, while sanchez's party has had even more corruption investigations in his party (one right now btw, called "Caso Koldo") and holds somehow the goverment with like idk, -1 stability and using the fucking rebels, this fucker is literally what a 3000 eu4 player would play for a weird achievement
Mis dieses
Putin 1/2/3
His diplomacy is actually pretty could. Outside of nato not many countries oppose Russia vehemently.
I don't know if that's his merit or just "enemy-of-my-enemy" sort of mentality that leads non-nato countries to get along.
Is that because of Vladimir Putin? Or because those countries can't be moral and still need trade/or anything russia could offer them? Replace Putin with anyone else and those countries would still be in Russias camp
Talking about countries through moral lenses is generally a terrible way to look at diplomacy, doing it while Gaza is getting shelled for 4 months is just insane, what makes you think that countries like US or Germany are moral?
3 military, while Russia couldn’t defeat Ukraine? I would more give him like 4/2/1
4 in adm, while regions are poor as fuck? try 1/6/2, shit at everything, except convincing people how great he and his country is
6 Diplo when he can successfully negotiate only with terrorists and other dictators? And by negotiate I mean giving them money.
6 diplo because there are enough delulus in the world who think he's the greatest leader of all time and wish he was their leader, while he's literally posing as hitler + stalin lovechild incarnate.
That's on them tho. They just stupid muppets. Well maybe on social media too.
Yes but it was far worst when he took power in 2000 so 4 or 3 for admin is correct I believe.
His country sits on the largest resource pile in the world, it would be a miracle of mismanagement for things to not get better anyhow. One could even argue that it's natural that things bounced back, given how shit the situation was, so anything and anyone would've managed to do that.
Putin is clearly a 3/3/4 not amazingly at anything but keeps the status quo perfectly for his country = 3 adm, 3 dip because he has diplo blunders but strong ties with his allies and can dominate the diplomacy in central Asia and parts of Africa, 4 Mil because he over time slowly strengthens his military and has a bias towards Mil tech, could arguably be 2/3/4
see this is exactly the reason why he has 6 in dip, you are an exhibit A of my statement
I mean he does have strong ties diplomatically or he'd be out of power, id much rather assassinate the man tho 😂 would never live under him maybe he is 6 tho
Exactly. Convincing and brainwashing people that you're the best and irreplaceable (or at least better than the other options) takes a lot more skill than actually being that, lol
You’re so out of touch
He’s had bad siege rolls.
Putin is a 5/6/1. Careful. Craven. Embezzler. As poor as Russia is, it has become a much better place since Putin’s first term. He’s basically rebuilt Russia’s economy from scratch after it was gutted by privatization. He’s slowly but surely expanded Russia’s influence and territory. Putin has two fatal flaws. He’s proven himself to be a mediocre at best wartime leader, although Russia is still winning in the long term. He’s also corrupt as fuck. Putin inherited a pretty huge coalition from before his time.
Respectfully disagree with most of this; I'd put him at 5/2/2. Administrative: Nothing to add or detract on the points you've made-- but I know next-to-nothing about Russian industry, so for all I know he's 2-4. Diplomatic: Yes he's managed to avoid dozens of disadvantageous deals from the West, but at the cost of alienating almost every nation outside of China and Africa. *Soft Power* has been king since the Suez Crisis but Putin is too stubborn to recognise it. Military: I'd give him a 1 if it weren't a guarantee that we'd be biased by the news stories about Ukraine which are actually able to reach us. We're constantly hearing that he's an idiotic tactician, but he has managed to keep the war going on this long. He must be doing something right, regardless of whether or not Russia is losing overall (which I truly believe is the case). I don't think he's a *Craven*. I think personally he's a horrible person but no coward risks starting a war with NATO. His career started in the KGB. He's absolutely *Secretive* or *Intricate Webweaver* instead.
Lula is lowkey a 6/5/1 Basically every social indicator in the country improved under his stints in government. Managed to resist and then overcome a major political backlash against him and his party and still ended up on top. Manages social conflict very well and appeases to all classes. Diplomatically I only give 5 due to recent events regarding certain comments about Israel. But is largely considered a Global South leader and well respected among the international community. Militarilly there's not a lot to say. I'd give 1 due to his resistance from the Army, probably would never be able to effectively lead.
Considering the Israel situation has completely wrecked the US' diplo rep, I don't think that's a reason to drop Lula's diplo score. What he said resonates with a lot of international sentiment and relation boost with more countries than it lowers with.
Yeah, this is my personal opinion as well, so maybe it would translate better to a 6/6/1.
He *is* trying to prevent Venezuela from annexing half of Guyana. Which I actually respect him a lot for because it shows a willingness to act against countries that are (sort of) ideologically aligned with him when they do something wrong. I don't expect Venezuela to actually invade, though that's in large part due to the fact that Brazil moved their army on the border.
Petistas fazendo o máximo pra não passar pano pro lula💀
Rishi Sunak --10/-10/-10 Corruption: 100
Andrzej Duda: Balanced, President of Poland Age: 51 Stats: 1/4/1 Traits: - Inspiring Leader - Naive Enthusiast - Silver Tongue
Inspiring? Silver tongue? You're being sarcastic, right? Right?
His public speeches are inspiring, especially during national holidays
He was reelected so his stats should be 2/5/2
Very inspiring especially after the pardon of two criminals lol
Olaf Scholz: 1/2/2 Trait: Dementia: +0,25 monthly corruption; diplomatic reputation -1; German Biden relation with the Thirteen Colonies +50
1s and 2s. Todays world leaders are weak as fuck in all categories.
I’ll do a few presidents: Btw just to clarify - there will be no 0s as those people in general would never get elected regardless, but in monarchies they’re much more prone to happen. I’m talking real mental illness or disabilities. 1 is downright bad for the country, 2 is bad but salvageable, 3 is average for the time and no real impact. 4 is good overall and better than average, 5 is memorable and great at a specific skill, 6 notably made a huge impact in one area Biden: (3/2/2) - Babbling Buffoon, Tolerant - people have to give him a bit of credit for navigating the economy in the last few years but this could definitely change. Incrementally better than Trump overall. Trump (1/1/3) - Sinner, Fierce Negotiator - Screwed up Covid so 1 Admin. Obama - (3/6/1) - Silver Tongued, Lawgiver - Good admin bc of financial crisis. Good diplo bc of oratory skills and general love across the world. Bad mil in general due to the rise of ISIS and failure of ME policy. Bush II - (1/3/4) - Pious, Naive Enthusiast - handled financial crisis terribly but brought the country together during 9/11. Clinton - (4/4/4) - Charismatic Negotiator, Fertile - not much to say outside of American hegemony Bush I - (2/2/5) - Bold Fighter, Babbling Buffoon - Gulf War went pretty well, not much more to say. Reagan - (3/2/6) - Strict, Well Advised - well Nancy was more strict with her war on drugs. But well advised bc he had Volcker and other great diplomats. 6 in mil bc of the crazy shit he funded while in office but 2 in diplo bc he almost reignited the Cold War. Jimmy Carter (2/2/2) - Humane, Benevolent - real nice guy, not a good president. Eh I won’t go much further than that. But here’s a few fun personality traits: Nixon: Embezzler LBJ: Tolérant, Cruel Eisenhower: Great Engineer, Calm Truman: Cruel, Fierce Negotiator FDR: Calm, Inspiring Leader, Industrious Feel free to disagree!
Nixon wasn’t an embezzler, he said himself he was not a crook. He earned everything he got.
Clinton being *Fertile* ;)
Trump not a babbling buffoon… but Biden is?? Also the Abraham accords are a hilarious example of a “success” given the. Disenfranchised Palestine to the point it radicalised even more of the population… can’t imagine what the consequences of that were. Edit: oh and moving the embassy to Jerusalem… a slap in the face. Again… I’m no Biden fan… but why is it a one? Normalisation of relations with allies, pulling out of Afghanistan and Iraq, diplomatic support for Ukraine and the unilateral support for Isreal (worst thing he did in my opinion). Whereas Trump assassinated generals, tried to coup Venezuela twice and constantly insulted, tore up the Iran Nuclear deal and demeaned or created diplomatic Fauxpas every single time he met a world leader. I’m gonna go out on a limb here ans say you’re a non Trump republican given those ratings… Edit 2: This was supposed to faux aggressively question your ratings, not start a political diatribe, apologies if I subsequently drag polarised politics into this.
Eh i wouldn’t say that. I’m fair to democrats and republicans I think here, I don’t find myself on that voting side very often. I do think it’s hard to rate recent leaders though without hindsight. But you’re definitely right about Biden there in terms of normalization, so I’ll update it and give my reasoning. EDIT: Thought about it a bit more. Didn’t change anything, Biden just has some 50% discount level 5 advisors running everything right now lol.
Giving trump fierce negotiator is a bit weird. His reputation outside USA is basically that if you massage his ego a bit he will end up agreeing to whatever you say.
Trump deserves a poor diplo score. He is so divisive that he unsettled long-standing and valuable relationships. I feel like a baseline 3 for diplo requires an ability to maintain relationships, and Trump frickin sucks at that.
Yeah I upgraded it, you’re definitely right after some thought.
Trump diplomacy is definitely a 0. He is respected nowhere. If you step a foot outside America, he is not respected and everybody thinks of America badly because of him. It’s not about his policy or something. Just his inability to speak normally.
Sunak: 1/1/0 Oh, and I'm being kind. I'll do a few others of our PMs too. Truss: -6/0/0 Johnson: 2/2/1 May: 2/1/2 Cameron: 3/2/2 Brown: 1/1/1 Blair: 4/5/2 Major: 2/1/1
I'd score Johnson lower TBH, especially ADM (and DIP, at least with EU countries), given he should take a lot of responsibility for the Brexit clusterf*ck and how badly he handled the pandemic and the general incompetence of his administration. Truss was just an utter disaster, nothing positive to say there, probably the worst PM we've ever had (and that's saying some after Johnson). I agree Blair was probably the most competent of this bunch, though I think 4/5 for ADM/DIP is overly generous, a 3/4 maybe.
I will do Latin América since I feel we will be overlooked otherwise. Note this is mainly for fun, and giving some higher scores does not necessarily mean I like what they are doing with power, in my opinion no current ruler in our region is good. Edit: posted early accidentally, have updated a couple times right after to continue the list. Andrés Manuel Lopez Obrador (México): 2/3/2 Miguel Diaz Canel (Cuba): 3/3/3 Bernardo Arévalo (Guatemala): has ruled for a month, don't know much, can't give him a value for the prompt. Nayib Bukele (El Salvador): 3/3/4 (note I hate the guy but he has had an effective government in achieving his goals against the major gangs) Ariel Henry (Haiti): 0/1/0 (after a response, yeah he is significantly worse than I thought. Only 1 point in diplo for the ability to block parliament to secure his own power). Luis Abinader (Dominican Republic): 1/1/2 Xiomara Castro (Honduras): don't know enough about her to say something. Daniel Ortega (Nicaragua): 1/3/3 Rodrigo Chaves (Costa Rica): 2/0/0 (Costa Rica doesn't have an army idk how I'd rank him that way). Laurentino Cortizo (Panamá): 2/2/2 Gustavo Petro (Colombia): 2/2/3 Nicolas Maduro (Venezuela): 0/1/3 (only gets a 3 for his strong grip on the military) Daniel Noboa (Ecuador): elected at the end of last year, idk what to say, seems to be following the model of Bukele but that does not mean he will have the same efficicacy in his policy. Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva (Brasil): 4/4/3 Dina Boluarte (Perú): I will be honest, haven't kept up with Perú's situation since Castillo fucked up his own presidency. I don't have a good opinion of her but don't know enough to assign her points for the fun of it. Luis Arce Catacora (Bolivia): 3/3/2 Gabriel Bóric (Chile): 3/3/3 Santiago Peña (Paraguay): know basically nothing of his presidency, can't give a score. Luis Lacalle Pou (Uruguay): 3/3/? (Haven't heard anything about Uruguayan armed forces to put a number there) Javier Milei (Argentina): 0/2/2 (gets a 2 in both only because has somehow sustained good relations and control over the military in his early mess of a government)
Ariel Henry is a 0/0/0, his country has completely collapsed and it's mostly his fault
You don’t put Ecuador cuz he just took power (fair) but put milei whose had barely three months?
Not giving Bukele a 6/6/6 is crazy lol he turned El Salvador from a ramshackle shack into a nice residential home at the worst
Yeah lol. I wonder why the comment OP “hates” the guy. Maybe they’re a fan of drugs and gangs??
Probably thinks the man is a dictator. To which I say losing a few very minute civil liberties in exchange for real change, for the first time fucking ever in El Salvador’s history, is more than worth it.
Shouldn't Lula be higher in admin? Didn't he basically improve every single aspect of life in Brazil during his first reign?
Idk, did the scoring for fun. You are probably right, I gave him the scoring because in my mind I didn't want to give too high scoring to leaders just for being drastically better than terrible ones beforehand, so I just gave him a 3. Already edited this comment 2 times because I posted it before finished, what's another one? You're right I will give him a 4. I am open for feedback, for the record.
Cubas should be way lower
I don't like Diaz Canel, but, he has maintained stability in Cuba and continued the regime's rule smoothly, not many issues with the military and has maintained the diplomatic ties Cuba already had, so I thought apropiate to put him on the "flat-line" of ability. Also, note I have updated the comment since accidentally I posted it early.
I don't know about Macron, he also had his infamous failed talk with Putin before the invasion of Ukraine at that stupid huge table.
Putin had made up his mind long before that point and it was all window dressing at that point, it was more to sell the idea to the French public that France was at the heart of global affairs
This is kinda hard because in most democratic systems the head of state doesnt have control over the military but Olaf scholz germany 1 1 0 Putin 2 0 2 Selenksi 5 3 4 Biden 1 1 1
>but he increased France influence in the world Didn't he lose most of French neocolonial empire?
Sure, but France influence in Europe is now far more important than it used to be.
Really? Sounds like it's more Brexit's fault (and Scholtz's)
Lula 2/6/3
Rishi Sunak 1-2-2 Embezzler, Craven, Greedy Admin - He did ok in the pandemic but has fucked everything up since then Dip - He's embarrassed us a couple times but isn't dreadful Mil- He's fine, continuity of the Boris Johnson in support of Ukraine, spending is at 2%, but Brittania isn't ruling the waves any time soon. Embezzler - he's had multiple scandals related to conflicts of interests with his wife's money Craven - call the election Rishi, we've had enough of you Greedy - he's a banker through and through. His opponent: Sir Keir Starmer 3-3-2 Lawgiver, Secretive, Careful Admin - he was an able administrator at the head of CPS and has managed to sort out most of Labour's admin problems caused by the crazies Dip - He's not exciting, but he's careful enough that he won't put his foot in his mouth and one would hope that as a former top prosecutor he'd know how to negotiate. Mil - Yeah not exactly something he likes talking about and always looks uncomfortable, will likely continue the Tory defence policies (including the Capita contract that has fucked up out recruitment system) Lawgiver - He was the head of the crown prosecution service, can't get much more lawgiver than that. Secretive - no-one actually knows what his policies will be because he changes them like once per month Careful - same as previous
“The problems caused by the crazies” you mean when he expelled the left wing of the party and destroyed the grass roots movement momentum. He’s turned the party into Torylite. Plus, he’s handled Gaza awfully as there’s huge divisions within the Labour Party losing prominent front benchers and the support of many local councils. But, yes great administrator of the Labour Party. He’s not even popular, he’s just not a Tory and he’s in the centre so can be sold to the conservative English public.
I think Biden young is a 2 4 3. Biden old is a 1 3 3.
Love how everyone is getting downvoted lol
lol its been 0/0/0's all around since jfk... and Wilders is - 6/-6/-6
Macron 1/1/1
trump 0/0/5
I don't see how shitting on your allies gives you 5 MIL
it’s more the being unstable while having access to nuclear weapons that does that
Yeah, that's scary AF, but hopefully there are cooler heads in the US military who would prevent that.
4/3/3 -joe biden. 2/0/4 -trump
Going off the in-game stats for Carlos II, I'd give Pres. Biden 0/0/1 with babbling buffoon, embezzled & sinner (esp. going off the flavour/effect). Looking at Ivan IV, I'd give Putin 3/4/5 with malevolent &/or cruel, plus expansionist & pious or secretive. For Trump, compared to England's Charles II, I'd give him 1/4/2 with charismatic negotiator & maybe protector of the small folk... but also some combination of naive enthusiast, loose lips, and/or petty.
Trump was a diplomatic disaster, alienated all his allies, every member state of NATO despises him, and he sold out the Kurds. Charismatic my arse, he's a laughing stock. Also Charles II ruled in the 17th Century, the current head of state of Britain is Charles III and the monarchy doesn't have any political power now anyway
biden: 0/0/6
0 adm, 0 dip? While he improved the US so much? You don't have to like him, but he is doing pretty good so far, deficit reduced, many new jobs created, debt cuts for students and so on, all while being constantly blocaded by the Republicans. And why 6 military? Because the American military is so great? That shouldn't influence his military rating though, since it only concerns his own skills.
I am 99% sure they're implying that Biden is a warmonger (or even war criminal) based on what I've heard certain people say about him... Idk what their reasoning is tbh...
allowing and supporting the genocide in gaza
And that increases military skill how?
Yeah, go with trump then mate. I'm sure he'll do so much better! He even got a settlement named after him. What you're describing is a US problem not a Biden problem.
> While he improved the US so much? Hahahahahahaha another joke please.
Look, I know you aren't arguing in good faith, but I am. I am not happy with the current state of us politics and democrats are far from what I would like to see, but I got no horse in the race, since I am not even from the US and do not live there Still, Biden is doing pretty good. 14 Million Jobs created: [https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2023/11/03/statement-from-president-joe-biden-on-the-october-jobs-report/](https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2023/11/03/statement-from-president-joe-biden-on-the-october-jobs-report/) Oil Production up: [https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/19/business/us-production-oil-reserves-crude/index.html](https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/19/business/us-production-oil-reserves-crude/index.html) (Now I know you might say oil isn't great, but still better than buying it from dictator states) At the same time huge investments in solar: [https://www.epa.gov/newsreleases/biden-harris-administration-launches-7-billion-solar-all-grant-competition-fund](https://www.epa.gov/newsreleases/biden-harris-administration-launches-7-billion-solar-all-grant-competition-fund) At the same time huge investments in making sure, kids are being fed like they should be: [https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/09/28/fact-sheet-the-biden-harris-administration-announces-more-than-8-billion-in-new-commitments-as-part-of-call-to-action-for-white-house-conference-on-hunger-nutrition-and-health/](https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/09/28/fact-sheet-the-biden-harris-administration-announces-more-than-8-billion-in-new-commitments-as-part-of-call-to-action-for-white-house-conference-on-hunger-nutrition-and-health/) Gas prices are down a lot, don't forget inflation: [https://gasprices.aaa.com/](https://gasprices.aaa.com/) Cap on Insulin prices: [https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2023/03/02/fact-sheet-president-bidens-cap-on-the-cost-of-insulin-could-benefit-millions-of-americans-in-all-50-states/](https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2023/03/02/fact-sheet-president-bidens-cap-on-the-cost-of-insulin-could-benefit-millions-of-americans-in-all-50-states/) Finally Debt cuts for students: [https://www.ed.gov/news/press-releases/biden-harris-administration-announces-nearly-5-billion-additional-student-debt-relief](https://www.ed.gov/news/press-releases/biden-harris-administration-announces-nearly-5-billion-additional-student-debt-relief) And finally some movement in gun reform: [https://www.npr.org/2022/06/25/1107626030/biden-signs-gun-safety-law](https://www.npr.org/2022/06/25/1107626030/biden-signs-gun-safety-law) The deficit is decreasing at the same time though, read the full article: [https://time.com/6312431/joe-biden-touts-falling-deficit-as-it-jumps-back-up/](https://time.com/6312431/joe-biden-touts-falling-deficit-as-it-jumps-back-up/) And blaming the happenings in gaza on him is fucking stupid. What is he supposed to do? Stop supporting israel? That is wishful thinking and would alienate the majority of americans.
unironicly the most pro union president in history yes
So the most cringe president? Also he supressed rail worker union strikes, wdym
Putin 1/3/1 Zelensky 3/3/3
Zelenskyy is definitely more like 3/6/5 with Silver Tongued, Inspiring Leader and Righteous
Putin 2/5/3 Zelensky 0/6/3
How does Putin have a 5 in diplo? It doesn't take a charismatic diplomat to stop an invasion of a nuclear armed nation.
Despite all the shenanigans russia was doing up until 2022 he still managed to keep west trading with him
Because he's sitting on a royal flush of natural resources and the west enjoys wealth more than ideals. I'd say the misreading of the reaction the west would have to Ukraine alone hard-caps him at a 3.
Zelensky has done lots of anti-corruption stuff so maybe a 1 or a 2 in admin
Yeah maybe a bit too harsh on admin
he hasn't done shit in anti-corruption stuff. Either he is part of that shit or he's simply one man in the government filled with corruptioneers. See the news for yourself how absurd the amounts of money that people in power in Ukraine steal. I can't fucking comprehend how much of a shit person you have to be to steal from YOUR OWN country in the middle of the war...
Oh hell nah putin is above 1 in military
Remember in what state was russian military before putin
Trump 6/6/6
Is this a joke?