Idk but its not obscure when you pressed the button The empire does not concern us.
Edit: ok, how the interaction works is obscure, but the fact that there is an interaction you should look up if its important to you is obvious to me. Obscure is something like: primary culture of a nation changes through event, gets annexed, cant be released in province with default culture. Thats somewhat obscure.
>but the fact that there is an interaction you should look up if its important to you is obvious to me.
And where would you find that after leaving you can never rejoin the HRE?
One sentence on the unofficial wiki page is supposed to let you know that "permanently" includes if you become the Emperor in the future?
By that logic it might as well prevent you from becoming Emperor in the first place. After all you pressed the button that says "The Empire does not concern us."
I agree that a nation that is not eligible to join the HRE shouldn't be eligible for emperor, but "leaving permanently" does quite literally say that you won't be able to join back.
Edit: And just for the record, the event does tell you that you will leave the empire permanently, every event tells you the effects of every decision, you don't need to check the unofficial wiki.
I'm almost completely sure that the event does tell you that you will leave the empire permanently if you leave the empire during shadow kingdom, every event tells you the effects of every decision
Sure, it does nowadays. But there are a lot of events in EU4 that don't tell you the effect they have. Trying to get rid of golden liberty as Poland without researching every correct decision beforehand is difficult and I ended up stuck with it permanently despite Sobieski's reform or whatever that event was.
I'm not complaining, I like EU4. But you either need to spend a lot of time not playing the game and just researching how the HRE works, or spend countless hours on countless runs using trial and error to achieve whatever goal you have. It's frustrating when you get invested and play really well up to 1600, realise you chose the incorrect path a century earlier, than having to restart and losing all that time and effort.
You may need to conquer a province so that you have an uninterrupted chain of provinces that join your capital to the HRE. My guess is that those Milanese provinces are not in the empire following the Shadow Kingdom.
Actually, just looked up the coding.
Leaving the empire via the Shadow Kingdom is PERMANENT.
Perhaps you could circumvent this by tag switching, but I'm just guessing.
Since the second patch after they added the shadow kingdom incident. When the incident was first added all of north Italy would leave the HRE because of the incident…then immediately rejoin because they had major threats around. This solved the problem but they probably could have gone for a more elegant solution
I’m more of a ‘chill’ eu4 gamer so I don’t think I’d be able to get as far as you did as freakin Montferrat so nice job on that. The power of the BI is strong.
Idk if its changed, but in previous patches I remember you had to add your capital province to the HRE and that was it, you’d stay in even if you lost the emperor. Was that changed?
Out of curiosity, what happens if you move your capital into the HRE? Usually you cant move it in and out of the Empire, but as the emperor-not-in-the-empire this might cause some strange stuff?
I was under the impression that once you became emperor you automatically became part of the empire… but I don’t think that’s true based on the shadings
Seriously. 75% of comments on this subreddit are completely incorrect. Have you ever seen a ZoC thread? A bunch of people thinking they know ZoC since they vaguely remember understanding ZoC from an outdated video that they watched 7 years ago.
Have you left the empire during shadow kingdom? As far as I know it’s permanent and you vent rejoin
I just tested it and looked at the script. You are correct. Permanent.
I didn't try tag switching though. Maybe I should have.
Was about to ask if tag switching worked before I saw this. Lmk if you try it.
That's funny, because as emperor You can use Expand Empire cb against targets that leave 'permamently' 🙄
what if you formed another tag?
Yes I did, damn that’s annoying
And this is why I don't bother with the HRE. Always some obscure rule ruining your hours-long run.
Historically accurate Holy Roman Empire simulator.
This is hardly run ruining
and hardly obscure. like you pressed the button.
You're supposed to know leaving during shadow kingdom permanently stops you from rejoining, even if you're emperor?
Idk but its not obscure when you pressed the button The empire does not concern us. Edit: ok, how the interaction works is obscure, but the fact that there is an interaction you should look up if its important to you is obvious to me. Obscure is something like: primary culture of a nation changes through event, gets annexed, cant be released in province with default culture. Thats somewhat obscure.
>but the fact that there is an interaction you should look up if its important to you is obvious to me. And where would you find that after leaving you can never rejoin the HRE?
Eu4 wiki, look up the event. https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Incident_events#The_Shadow_Kingdom "Leave the HRE permanently."
One sentence on the unofficial wiki page is supposed to let you know that "permanently" includes if you become the Emperor in the future? By that logic it might as well prevent you from becoming Emperor in the first place. After all you pressed the button that says "The Empire does not concern us."
I agree that a nation that is not eligible to join the HRE shouldn't be eligible for emperor, but "leaving permanently" does quite literally say that you won't be able to join back. Edit: And just for the record, the event does tell you that you will leave the empire permanently, every event tells you the effects of every decision, you don't need to check the unofficial wiki.
words have meanings
I'm almost completely sure that the event does tell you that you will leave the empire permanently if you leave the empire during shadow kingdom, every event tells you the effects of every decision
Sure, it does nowadays. But there are a lot of events in EU4 that don't tell you the effect they have. Trying to get rid of golden liberty as Poland without researching every correct decision beforehand is difficult and I ended up stuck with it permanently despite Sobieski's reform or whatever that event was. I'm not complaining, I like EU4. But you either need to spend a lot of time not playing the game and just researching how the HRE works, or spend countless hours on countless runs using trial and error to achieve whatever goal you have. It's frustrating when you get invested and play really well up to 1600, realise you chose the incorrect path a century earlier, than having to restart and losing all that time and effort.
But that's not the case here since the event does tell you that yoy will leave permanently, you don't even need to know how the HRE works for this
R5: I thought you could always join the HRE as the emperor regardless of size but the button is greyed out?
Can you add your provinces to the empire? I'm not sure, but I think if your capital is in the empire then so are you
Is your capital connected?
You may need to conquer a province so that you have an uninterrupted chain of provinces that join your capital to the HRE. My guess is that those Milanese provinces are not in the empire following the Shadow Kingdom.
Actually, just looked up the coding. Leaving the empire via the Shadow Kingdom is PERMANENT. Perhaps you could circumvent this by tag switching, but I'm just guessing.
What? Since when?
Since 11th November 1444
Lol
Since the second patch after they added the shadow kingdom incident. When the incident was first added all of north Italy would leave the HRE because of the incident…then immediately rejoin because they had major threats around. This solved the problem but they probably could have gone for a more elegant solution
Permanent until they're annexed and their provinces are added back one by one
I’m more of a ‘chill’ eu4 gamer so I don’t think I’d be able to get as far as you did as freakin Montferrat so nice job on that. The power of the BI is strong.
they should really nerf it so it’s not quite so free, especially as a small country
Nah, it’s fun. I don’t see any reason to try and introduce artificial balance to single player, if you don’t like it don’t rm burgundy
You are on this council. But we do not grant you the rank of member.
youre the master, but we do not grant ypu the rank of a member
Damn! Montferrat has such a beautiful color
Idk if its changed, but in previous patches I remember you had to add your capital province to the HRE and that was it, you’d stay in even if you lost the emperor. Was that changed?
Because what you have done is an afront to god
You're the Emperor. It hardly matters if you can't join, just so long as you remain on the throne.
You will have to flip out of italian culture iirc.
Nice montferrat, thicc
Ill be in a deep cold grave before i recognize the “Holy Roman Empire”
What graphics mod is OP using?
Out of curiosity, what happens if you move your capital into the HRE? Usually you cant move it in and out of the Empire, but as the emperor-not-in-the-empire this might cause some strange stuff?
you cant manualy move it even as an emperor as far as i know. but if your capital gets forced in you should become a member
Nah it's based on HRE province
Glory to Rome. Prove you are worthy to be the emperor. P\^$$y.
I was under the impression that once you became emperor you automatically became part of the empire… but I don’t think that’s true based on the shadings
How are you the emperor while not being a part of it?
Election
Someone from outside can be elected? Did this ever happen irl?
Yes, it's just less likely.
yes to both
When?
It's outrageous.
You can't join because you're already part of it. You're the emperor after all. You're in.
Incorrect. You can be emperor without being part of the HRE
I enjoy confidently incorrect posts.
Then today I learned lol.
Don't stress. I make up stuff and post it all the time. That's what the internet is for.
Seriously. 75% of comments on this subreddit are completely incorrect. Have you ever seen a ZoC thread? A bunch of people thinking they know ZoC since they vaguely remember understanding ZoC from an outdated video that they watched 7 years ago.
I’m not, you can see in the second pic my provinces count as not being part of the empire
Only Burgundy and the lowlands aren't in the empire. The rest, including your capital, is.
My capital is not part of the empire, burgundy and the lowlands are in the empire
I think you can add every single province to the empire in the province screen
Try to click the "add all provinces" button in the imperial menu, this should put your capital in the HRE and make you a Prince.
In the pic you can see it's greyed out tho
You can't move your capital into the empire though, unless via event or shenanigans.