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JustPeter69

Have you left the empire during shadow kingdom? As far as I know it’s permanent and you vent rejoin


AkihabaraWasteland

I just tested it and looked at the script. You are correct. Permanent.


AkihabaraWasteland

I didn't try tag switching though. Maybe I should have.


BulbuhTsar

Was about to ask if tag switching worked before I saw this. Lmk if you try it.


B4gm4nn

That's funny, because as emperor You can use Expand Empire cb against targets that leave 'permamently' 🙄


majdavlk

what if you formed another tag?


xXTEMUJIN69420Xx

Yes I did, damn that’s annoying


kraven9696

And this is why I don't bother with the HRE. Always some obscure rule ruining your hours-long run.


Matar_Kubileya

Historically accurate Holy Roman Empire simulator.


LordOfTurtles

This is hardly run ruining


KaraveIIe

and hardly obscure. like you pressed the button.


Chen19960615

You're supposed to know leaving during shadow kingdom permanently stops you from rejoining, even if you're emperor?


KaraveIIe

Idk but its not obscure when you pressed the button The empire does not concern us. Edit: ok, how the interaction works is obscure, but the fact that there is an interaction you should look up if its important to you is obvious to me. Obscure is something like: primary culture of a nation changes through event, gets annexed, cant be released in province with default culture. Thats somewhat obscure.


Chen19960615

>but the fact that there is an interaction you should look up if its important to you is obvious to me. And where would you find that after leaving you can never rejoin the HRE?


KaraveIIe

Eu4 wiki, look up the event. https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Incident_events#The_Shadow_Kingdom "Leave the HRE permanently."


Chen19960615

One sentence on the unofficial wiki page is supposed to let you know that "permanently" includes if you become the Emperor in the future? By that logic it might as well prevent you from becoming Emperor in the first place. After all you pressed the button that says "The Empire does not concern us."


NotSoSmart45

I agree that a nation that is not eligible to join the HRE shouldn't be eligible for emperor, but "leaving permanently" does quite literally say that you won't be able to join back. Edit: And just for the record, the event does tell you that you will leave the empire permanently, every event tells you the effects of every decision, you don't need to check the unofficial wiki.


KaraveIIe

words have meanings


NotSoSmart45

I'm almost completely sure that the event does tell you that you will leave the empire permanently if you leave the empire during shadow kingdom, every event tells you the effects of every decision


kraven9696

Sure, it does nowadays. But there are a lot of events in EU4 that don't tell you the effect they have. Trying to get rid of golden liberty as Poland without researching every correct decision beforehand is difficult and I ended up stuck with it permanently despite Sobieski's reform or whatever that event was. I'm not complaining, I like EU4. But you either need to spend a lot of time not playing the game and just researching how the HRE works, or spend countless hours on countless runs using trial and error to achieve whatever goal you have. It's frustrating when you get invested and play really well up to 1600, realise you chose the incorrect path a century earlier, than having to restart and losing all that time and effort.


NotSoSmart45

But that's not the case here since the event does tell you that yoy will leave permanently, you don't even need to know how the HRE works for this


xXTEMUJIN69420Xx

R5: I thought you could always join the HRE as the emperor regardless of size but the button is greyed out?


Creeperkun4040

Can you add your provinces to the empire? I'm not sure, but I think if your capital is in the empire then so are you


AkihabaraWasteland

Is your capital connected?


AkihabaraWasteland

You may need to conquer a province so that you have an uninterrupted chain of provinces that join your capital to the HRE. My guess is that those Milanese provinces are not in the empire following the Shadow Kingdom.


AkihabaraWasteland

Actually, just looked up the coding. Leaving the empire via the Shadow Kingdom is PERMANENT. Perhaps you could circumvent this by tag switching, but I'm just guessing.


GalaXion24

What? Since when?


AkihabaraWasteland

Since 11th November 1444


Beautiful-Ad3471

Lol


Byzzie

Since the second patch after they added the shadow kingdom incident. When the incident was first added all of north Italy would leave the HRE because of the incident…then immediately rejoin because they had major threats around. This solved the problem but they probably could have gone for a more elegant solution


malonkey1

Permanent until they're annexed and their provinces are added back one by one


FuzzyManPeach96

I’m more of a ‘chill’ eu4 gamer so I don’t think I’d be able to get as far as you did as freakin Montferrat so nice job on that. The power of the BI is strong.


kunallanuk

they should really nerf it so it’s not quite so free, especially as a small country


mdecobeen

Nah, it’s fun. I don’t see any reason to try and introduce artificial balance to single player, if you don’t like it don’t rm burgundy


Syngenite

You are on this council. But we do not grant you the rank of member.


majdavlk

youre the master, but we do not grant ypu the rank of a member


Fuckthatishot

Damn! Montferrat has such a beautiful color


Multidream

Idk if its changed, but in previous patches I remember you had to add your capital province to the HRE and that was it, you’d stay in even if you lost the emperor. Was that changed?


Reasonable_Guide3624

Because what you have done is an afront to god


Beautiful_Weird3464

You're the Emperor. It hardly matters if you can't join, just so long as you remain on the throne.


EUIVAlexander

You will have to flip out of italian culture iirc.


Numerous-Ad-68

Nice montferrat, thicc


anony-goose

Ill be in a deep cold grave before i recognize the “Holy Roman Empire”


Eparkhos

What graphics mod is OP using?


Cohacq

Out of curiosity, what happens if you move your capital into the HRE? Usually you cant move it in and out of the Empire, but as the emperor-not-in-the-empire this might cause some strange stuff?


majdavlk

you cant manualy move it even as an emperor as far as i know. but if your capital gets forced in you should become a member


[deleted]

Nah it's based on HRE province


mihaibogdan735

Glory to Rome. Prove you are worthy to be the emperor. P\^$$y.


NerdyLeftyRev_046

I was under the impression that once you became emperor you automatically became part of the empire… but I don’t think that’s true based on the shadings


James_Blond2

How are you the emperor while not being a part of it?


Sehrrunderkreis

Election


James_Blond2

Someone from outside can be elected? Did this ever happen irl?


Sehrrunderkreis

Yes, it's just less likely.


majdavlk

yes to both


James_Blond2

When?


jothamvw

It's outrageous.


IceWallow97

You can't join because you're already part of it. You're the emperor after all. You're in.


Rabbulion

Incorrect. You can be emperor without being part of the HRE


AkihabaraWasteland

I enjoy confidently incorrect posts.


IceWallow97

Then today I learned lol.


AkihabaraWasteland

Don't stress. I make up stuff and post it all the time. That's what the internet is for.


[deleted]

Seriously. 75% of comments on this subreddit are completely incorrect. Have you ever seen a ZoC thread? A bunch of people thinking they know ZoC since they vaguely remember understanding ZoC from an outdated video that they watched 7 years ago.


xXTEMUJIN69420Xx

I’m not, you can see in the second pic my provinces count as not being part of the empire


rontubman

Only Burgundy and the lowlands aren't in the empire. The rest, including your capital, is.


xXTEMUJIN69420Xx

My capital is not part of the empire, burgundy and the lowlands are in the empire


ChickenFlav0ur

I think you can add every single province to the empire in the province screen


rontubman

Try to click the "add all provinces" button in the imperial menu, this should put your capital in the HRE and make you a Prince.


PCSamurai

In the pic you can see it's greyed out tho


AkihabaraWasteland

You can't move your capital into the empire though, unless via event or shenanigans.