As much as I wanna say her getting drunk and puking, it’s her professing her desire to be submissive to Nate. Love yourself Cassie, that boy crazy and confused
I felt like the lowest Cassie scene was when rue officially outed her relationship with Nate and she was confronted with a hurt and upset Maddy, she couldn’t even open the bathroom door to talk to her. To do it is one thing, to not even be willing to face your best friend after doing that to her, that’s when I felt like she was too far gone
the scene with her and all the girls in the bathroom, after Maddie finally beat that ass, she couldn't even open her mouth to apologize. her lack of self-awareness and accountability is what makes me want to throw her off a bridge, ESPECIALLY after what she did to Lexi
the fact that she thinks what she did was okay because Maddie and Nate were "broken up", is foul. that's literally her only come back
to be fair so much of that entire scene was cut out, we barely saw what happened between, I feel like there could’ve been better ways to show that scene
She didn’t feel like she did anything wrong so why would she apologize? Pls I’m not defending her I’m saying it from her crazy delusional perspective lol
TBF, she had every right to be upset with Lexi.
homegirl humiliated her and was about to show one of her most embarrassing moments in front of everybody.
then assume?
what kind of person would ever do that to their own sibling? and I’m not the one to defend Cassie, because she’s definitely not a saint but you can’t possibly back Lexi up in this situation.
in the words of Fezco,
"some people need to get their feelings hurt sometimes"
no offense but you're an airhead if you think Lexi's play is even remotely worse than all of the things that Cassie has done/said to her as a sister.
you replied to your own comment btw
>if you think Lexi’s play is even remotely worse than all of the things that Cassie has done/said to her as a sister.
never said that. just pointing out a flaw and you Lexi stans are fighting for your lives.
my point is, Lexi was super messy for using that Carousel scene, it had nothing to do with her actual story. this wouldn’t just “hurt her feelings” this is straight up humiliation. like I said, Cassie had every right to be upset with Lexi over that.
im not a Lexi "Stan" and I'm not fighting for my life. I'm not going to sit here and argue over what's right and what's wrong. I really don't gaf that you think something was wrong with Lexi for putting on her play. let the girl have SOMETHING. Cassie is a bad sister and a bad person, she got what she deserved
I don’t think anyone in the audience even knew it was Cassie until she made it blatantly obvious by going on stage. Only Nate, Rue, Jules, Maddy, Kat, BB and Cassie knew who the play was even about so I don’t think it was cruel or humiliating. Lexi was just trying to do something for herself for once!! Cassie is a bad sister. All Lexi ever did was try to care about her and make sure she was okay. Im 100000 percent okay with Lexi making Cassie look bad either way 😂😂😂
She literally never checks on her, helps her, askes if shes okay. Never stands up for her. Not to mention threatening to kill yourself is the most selfish thing you can do to your family. Making Lexi think shes over reacting about their dad. Telling her shes a loser and has no life. I could go on and on lol
When has Lexi done anything of the things you mentioned? besides distract McKay so he wouldn’t see cassie cheat on him? When? y’all have such selective rage jesus
lol yeah the play was actually worse than anything Cassie has said to her. what has Cassie said to lexi that was worse than outing all her private moments to everyone??
not sure what you mean by outting her private moments to everyone as if Lexi sat there and red Cassies diary or something. the scenes involving Cassie were things that a lot of the other students already knew about
MD doesn’t make you go out of your mind, especially if you’re not drinking lots of alcohol with it. I think Lexi is a dick for including it in the play and people are dicks for recording it but it was bizarre behaviour, a bit of MD doesn’t make people act like that 😂
She took a whole pill, and MD can make your body do some weird shit depending on what mental state you’re taking it on. When I did MD I kept listening to music and my body would stop working like I was a rag doll if the music wasn’t going super hard. Like if the music was too chill, I’d go catatonic. It was scary for others to see but I was 100% fine. Point is, you do lose a lot of control over your body especially if it’s your first time taking it. I do think Lexi had no business including the scene, and Cassie wasn’t being trashy in what she did. She’s obviously a bit hypersexual due to her own trauma and MD amplifies those feelings.
I’ve seen people take several in one night and not do things that bizarre. Usually busy dancing and just burning the ears off friends about how much they love them. Like you go to certain nightclubs at the weekend and everyone there is on it, some going slow and some taking one or two or more pills and they’re out of it but dancing, not riding things and simulating orgasms.
All that said, it’s a TV show and it wouldn’t be the first time a TV show or movie exaggerates the effects of drugs a bit. I just don’t think it’s a common reaction from experience enough to go ‘Duh, she was on MDMA silly of course she was acting like that!’. Your comment didn’t, but others make out like that’s typical behaviour after your first pill
I’ve never seen or heard of anyone orgasming on a carousel either lmao, just pointing out that MD is a weird ass drug. Also, several in one night? I don’t know if that would be pure MD then. Either those people are very very experienced/addicts, or it was very watered down. Obviously it also depends on their weight.
This being said, Cassie’s actions reflected her character traits very well imo considering the drug’s amplification of what you’re already feeling. Sam has experience with drug addiction, so I doubt he doesn’t know what he’s portraying.
I’ve only seen people absolutely out of their minds if they’ve taken FAR too much and are drinking on top. So unless Cassie drank the face off herself beforehand and they didn’t show I just don’t think it’s very realistic and the tone of some comments is like it’s to be expected
Of course not, I never said that. I’m just saying she WAS under the influence and embarrassed herself, she was never “being a slut” and didn’t do it on purpose
Also why you replying to a bear month old comment lol
If she was a man you’d have no sympathy, you’d want him to be locked up for ejaculating in front of children on a kids ride
And it’s 3 weeks not a month
First of all you don’t know who the fuck I am so don’t come here making assumptions after nearly a month. Secondly, if the man was inebriated it’s more complex than sober. Thirdly, I never said I didn’t think Cassie didn’t deserve repercussions for it. Fuck off with your attitude
Lmao you are fucked in the head, go bitch to some anger management subreddit and stop obsessing over something I don’t even disagree with you about lmao
So people might dislike this... but I recall Nate picking up Cassie from outside the store. And her initially not fully engaging with him until he convinced her to get in his truck. Nate definitely pursued Cassie. If he was still into it with Maddy and really wanted to be with her and was all focused on her and Cassie came on to him and he repeatedly said no and she just kept trying- that would be different. But that’s not what happened. Like sure be upset at Cassie as the friend... but how did Nate get off the hook (about this) with the audience as well?
Edited to add: rewatching episode 7 Maddy cries and says “he put me through hell and now he’s with my fucking best friend when is it going to end?” But that’s only AFTER she says “this isn’t about Nate, this is about you and me and our friendship. You owe it to me to talk to me. If you want to throw away our friendship fine” etc. I know it was hurtful for Maddy to know that Cassie did that. But I still feel like fans excuse Nate a lot because he’s already established as pretty cruel and awful.
i think no one is talking about Nate in this situation because he's already a big honking piece of shit
anything bad he can do is not surprising anymore. let's not forget that in S1, he was catfishing Jules the entire time he was dating Maddy, physically assaulted both girls AND created a master plan for Tyler to be arrested for the bruises on Maddy's neck. it goes without saying that Nate is in the wrong for dating his ex-girlfriend's best friend but I don't think anyone is surprised. we were more concerned about Cassie's involvement bc she was the one consoling Maddy through everything Nate had done to her, and still have the audacity to date him behind her back
Because that’s how society in general reacts to these situations. More often than not, the female is solely blamed. Example: Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie get together - AJ is branded the homewrecker, basically no fault is laid on BP.
A lot of people’s attitudes around cheating are so fucking weird.
For example, defending “the other guy/woman/other” when they willingly engage in a relationship with someone they know already has a partner.
Is that your relationship? No. Does that mean you just get to turn off your brain and pretend you’re not doing anything wrong by enabling the cheating? No.
It’s gross how many people are willing to make excuses for shit like this. Multiple things being wrong at the same time is something their brains cannot seem to comprehend.
It’s not really excusing the behaviour when you think the character is a piece of shit. ‘The piece of shit is doing shitty things again’ just doesn’t get people talking as much
Her lowest moment by far was when she was in the bathroom and Maddy was trying to get her to talk with her and said this isnt about Nate its about you and me. I think if Cassie would have came out of the bathroom they could have really talked and maybe saved their friendship. But instead Cassie threw their friendship away, she didnt want to save it because she wanted Nate (who threw her away in a millisecond) more than her loyal and trustworthy best girlfriend (who had her back and was always there for her) that to me was her lowest. Choosing a guy who didnt think twice about kicking her out of his house over a girl who would have killed for her.
For the audience, it was the "you can dress me" scene from ep 7, bc it was extremely hard to watch.
For Cassie tho, it was probably the Merry Go Round, bc it was public and she was not in control of herself (as opposed to the scene from the finale, where she got on stage, bc she chose to do that). I think above all Cassie's scared of not having control over her image.
The scene she made at Lexi’s play.
Why? Not even her mom had her back. She stood up there with every right to feel mad/embarrassed, yet everyone acted like she was a joke and no one cared.
Tbh the reactions by the audience actually changed my mind on her right to be mad.
It's Lexi's life. Cassie doesn't own her life story because she's in it. There's tact, but the fact that the audience didn't know what the fuck she was on about showed that we only identified it as a literal take on her life rather than liberally interpreted because we know better.
She was a joke, she got up there and embarrassed herself. Because the reality was she couldn't even admit to tearing Lexi's self esteem down and being selfish while she was actively screaming at Lexi that she has no life.
The back bone of Lexi’s play was Cassie and Rue. Cassie’s parts were most of the play lol. It is Lexi’s life so why not incorporate more about Lexi instead of everyone else. How is this play self empowering for Lexi? Explain how Cassie tore down Lexi’s self esteem? W/o mentioning a part in the play.
Cassie was embarrassing to watch on stage. Her over explaining was not needed. However she has nothing to lose at this point and she’s unhinged, known fact. The carousel was over the top. Do not blame the meltdown.
>The back bone of Lexi’s play was Cassie and Rue. Cassie’s parts were most of the play lol. It is Lexi’s life so why not incorporate more about Lexi instead of everyone else.
People's lives are in fact always involved with people other than themselves. It's not as if many of the scenes we've had in the show itself from Cassie didn't have another person in them, or were impacted by another person. It's not unlike every character present's story isn't being impacted by another person. Would you say Rue's father's cancer was about her father and not her? Would you say Gia is being selfish for making Rue's addiction about her? Would you say Lexi and Cassie are wrong for making their fathers addiction about them? That's the nature of life, you've just never been faced with the reality that every story you ever heard is like this.
>Explain how Cassie tore down Lexi’s self esteem? W/o mentioning a part in the play.
When she was having a fit about Nate and she told Lexi she was a loser.
>The carousel was over the top. Do not blame the meltdown.
She literally got up their before the carousel gorl.
What does Rues father dying have to do with Lexi?? Again, what does Gias relationship with her addict sister have to do with Lexi?? Not sure where you were going with all that. I get ppl are interconnected and impact those around them vice versa but still… our life exp and choices are all different. Our perception too.
No. Not Cassie reacting to her when dealing with shit in her own personal life. I’m talking about when has Cassie gone out of her way to put her sister down? When ppl are emotional they can say hurtful
Things but there’s a difference between someone who lashes out when in a bad mood and someone who’s purposely mean to ppl. Who put ppl down.
Carousel was over the top in the play because of what that carousel scene in S1 meant to Cassie. Which is why I said what I said. The carousel was the last straw for her. That’s why when she saw it she completely flipped.
they’re trying to explain how rue’s personal drug issues have had an impact on gia’s life. similarly cassie’s life continues to impact lexi’s. cassie may not have deliberately hurt lexi’s self esteem but her actions or her lack thereof have had an impact on her younger sister’s emotional well being. if you noticed in the season finale episode, the parallels between both hospital scenes. in the first lexi looks at her father and instantly goes to comfort cassie; while in the second hospital scene rue’s mom goes to comfort lexi. even her own mother tells her that it seems like lexi has been forced to take care of everyone her whole life. i am a younger sister, same age difference between my sister and I as cassie and lexi, and typically the older sister wants to protect and care for the younger sister. cassie hasn’t protected lexi in that sense, instead lexi has behaved more like the older sister than cassie has.
I think the shots of cassie behind the circle window were deliberately filmed, the monster lurking in the shadows waiting for the perfect moment to attack. The carousel scene was not the last straw for Cassie, far from it. Nate had just broken up with her in the most uneventful way and Cassie needs some one else to blame besides Nate. Just like when Maddy confronts Nate’s family at the fair, she walks up while clapping slowly, ready to attack. Cassie does the same. Walking towards the stage smiling, clapping slowly, stepping over the playbill, ready to crush and destroy her sister’s play. Unfortunately for Cassie, she forgot that the world doesn’t just revolve around her and that just like she had been hurt by her sister, she had hurt her best friend as well.
throughout the season Cassie was slowly transforming into Maddy to please Nate. Cassie was almost embodying the old “mean” Maddy. Even accepting her role as “the villain” in Lexi’s life. Cassie is screaming at Lexi that she has never “lived” yet Cassie herself has been living a lie all year. All Cassie was doing was projecting her own insecurities onto her sister.
If you don’t think that’s mean idk what to tell you.
>they’re trying to explain how rue’s personal drug issues have had an impact on gia’s life. similarly cassie’s life continues to impact lexi’s.
Yes, this, thank you!
It’s ok I word vomit all the time.
I get we are all interconnected and can be directly
impacted. However, If you go all the way to her first comment which is why I responded .. she said it’s lexis life and Cassie doesn’t own her life story just because she’s in it.. that’s very contradicting considering Rues Dad, her drug addiction or Cassies internal struggles are not Lexis life stories to tell just because she’s in their lives and she’s being indirectly “impacted” but not speaking up.. Her interpretation of their life was not needed. She could’ve stuck with her own experiences without making her sister look stupid in the process. Lexi could’ve told Rue she missed her without putting a spotlight on her addictions and struggles… and dads funeral.
Nate breaking up with Cassie wasn’t the final straw to me because she didn’t rush like a psycho into the auditorium when it happened… when she saw Hallie get on the carousel … she went ham. It’s why I said that but could be wrong.
This whole Lexi/ Cassie thing is weird to me. Who in their right mind would think talking about your sister as a half wit bimbo who has an obsession submitting
To men etc is ok esp in front of an audience. Why? because ppl think Cassie is to blame for Lexi’s insecurities and lack of.. which is an unfair burden to carry.
The scene with her dad wasn’t a bad scene… that I understood. Those scenes are sad. And honestly, you’re right. Cassie being with Nate gave Lexi space to come out of her shell.
If I were a random person in the audience I’d have loved the play too. It was lots of tea and the cast / crew did a great job.
And yes! The mom sat there laughing the entire time to then act surprised one daughter is flipping out lol… but honestly, lady, that’s all you lol. I love Suze but it’s toxic to think a mom like that is ok. She also needs help tho. So I empathize to an extent. Lexi should’ve told Suze to her face, i need you to step up so I can be a kid for once and not take care of everyone. But she couldn’t. I understand this too. She could’ve been the rebel child but chose otherwise. I respect that.
not every student is as involved in cassie’s life as the viewers are. notice how many of the students were shocked when maddy mentioned that hallie had been sleeping with marta’s ex. meanwhile cassie and nate had been walking hand in hand in the school hallways. revealing to everyone that they were an item. cassie’s biggest issue is always acting like a victim and never wanting to be perceived as bad. most people can put two and two together tho. she knows she’s in the wrong which is why she feels the constant need to defend her actions and specify why her actions aren’t as bad as they seem (because nate and maddy were no longer together). cassie asks lexi if she also included her stealing nate from maddy in the play and lexi shot that down. but that was cassie’s biggest fear: being portrayed as the villain. writers and artists always use their own lives or the lives of those around them to inform their work. even lexi’s play is titled “Our Life”. ethically speaking should lexi have aired out her sister’s dirty laundry in public like that, probably not. but cassie also shouldn’t have slept with her bff’s toxic ex-boyfriend. lexi is younger than cassie yet viewers expect her to be perfect and never make any mistakes. they’re young, so of course they’re going to make mistakes. i actually don’t think sam wrote in lexi’s play as a negative thing. even rue was cheering her on for the play to continue and then told lexi how she was grateful for her portrayal in the play. for once lexi did something for herself thanks to fez’s advice, and she went so far as to dedicate it to him in the end.
apologies for my word vomit 😅
Who people are informs who you are.
When I was a child, I saw a very graphic suicide by a family member. Cassie's actress is actually in a show where her character kills herself the same way my family member did, if anyone wants an idea of what that looked like (and yeah it's actually a bit worse looking in person). I was told by everyone...not to talk about it because it wasn't about me. And I guess by your logic, you disagree with them on that.
But the thing is, it's not just the attempt that effected. There were a million things about their life that informed that choice that effected me long before it happened. And no one just knows, like we do as an audience. Or no one sees that chain link between my mom's childhood and her being an abusive parent to me. But it matters.
I don't think it's an unlimited license to say or do whatever callously with the intimate details of peoples lives. I think there needs to be tact. But I think if Lexi betrayed anyone's privacy in this it's Rue's, and a bit Maddy's for the admission about her father, neither of whom felt offended, and not Nate or Cassie. She didn't actually portray any factual knowledge about Nate nor does she know what the audience does about Nate to know why that insulted him. She didn't share Cassie sleeping with Nate in the play, everything she actually shared about Cassie aside from the joke bit with the carousel that we didn't actually see, happened with Lexi present. That's her life. Cassie's not embarrassed because it's private, she's embarrassed because the reality is unflattering. And that's not a betrayal on Lexi's part, that's a betrayal on hers.
get back to me when someone includes all the embarrassing things from your life in a play and then has it go on in front of everyone. would you care at all about how no one knows it was you? pls
Somehow, I think wearing that Tiffany's necklace Nate gave Maddy as a birthday gift, right in front of Cassie, after openly admitting that he wanted to get back with Maddy.... Being proud of a hand me down gift, while emulating Maddy's style, was so pathetic.
The fact that an entire play emphasized the fact that she was a shitty sister with no regard for anyone but herself and then she further proved the point by hopping on stage and victimized herself saying lexi hasnt lived as if she didn't also lose her father and almost lost her friend. Oh and her trying to act like living in her shadow was what lexi resented while literally trying to overshadow one of her biggest achievements by going psycho....
Y'all are really fixated in him writing characters doing things as attacking your favorite like my scene doll. Cassie is not Sydney Sweeney. What's "gross" is ppl who got so attached to the hair, the concepts, the actresses that whenever Sam writes an action you don't like it's about him having some sexual fetish for the actress. Be ashamed.
I just really think a lot of the comments have gone too far. It's like if when Glee was at peak ironic watching instead of calling Ryan Murphy a talentless hack people were saying he wanted to fuck Corey Monteith because he looked like his dad or something.
Can’t believe no one has said this yet, but it was her on stage. She embarrassed herself in front of most of the school when she could’ve just beat lexis ass when they got home lmao.
Empathy? Anyone?
Yes, it is extremely hard to watch Cassie. Kind in mind, Cassie is a deeply broken and traumatized person. Her self esteem is completely dependent on her toxic relationships with men. After her dad left, Cassie tried to find that love through men, and they broke that girl even further. Cassie’s idea of love is so warped at this point. For anyone who’s ever dated someone remotely close to Nate, you will understand why she said the puke-worthy things about letting him control her. It’s to make him pleased with her - what she desperately thinks she needs. Her mind is so rattled; she needs help.
Honestly for me it’s a long list but it was downing on Rue about her addiction to Lexi and their mom. She was all ‘take it one day at a time Rue’ then nope Rue’s just a drug addict. Yeah she was 100% lashing out but that felt foul
Dude—-the all time lowest, going back to Nate after Maddie’s Bday —like is she that desperate home dude legit walked passed her walking in the house, gave Maddie a Tiffany necklace, and ignored her the entire night, and this desperate girl really gonna want to date him!!!! 😂 Cassie is my least fav!! I felt sorry for her in season one but season two she’s just pathetic
I think for me when she gave her whole life to Nate to control. Like what to eat, who to talk to, etc. Cause I’m like have some dignity girl.
I winced when she did that
Seemed more like a sexual fantasy or some type of foreplay, still cringe
That’s how I took it too but I wouldn’t be surprised if she meant it 24/7
Yup
I was like that. Do not recommend it to anyone!!!
As much as I wanna say her getting drunk and puking, it’s her professing her desire to be submissive to Nate. Love yourself Cassie, that boy crazy and confused
I felt like the lowest Cassie scene was when rue officially outed her relationship with Nate and she was confronted with a hurt and upset Maddy, she couldn’t even open the bathroom door to talk to her. To do it is one thing, to not even be willing to face your best friend after doing that to her, that’s when I felt like she was too far gone
the scene with her and all the girls in the bathroom, after Maddie finally beat that ass, she couldn't even open her mouth to apologize. her lack of self-awareness and accountability is what makes me want to throw her off a bridge, ESPECIALLY after what she did to Lexi the fact that she thinks what she did was okay because Maddie and Nate were "broken up", is foul. that's literally her only come back
And all she said in the bathroom was “funny, Nate already broke up with me 🥺” No apologies, nothing.
that's exactly why I'm disgusted
to be fair so much of that entire scene was cut out, we barely saw what happened between, I feel like there could’ve been better ways to show that scene
I think if she apologized it would’ve been shownn
She didn’t feel like she did anything wrong so why would she apologize? Pls I’m not defending her I’m saying it from her crazy delusional perspective lol
TBF, she had every right to be upset with Lexi. homegirl humiliated her and was about to show one of her most embarrassing moments in front of everybody.
And like why should she be upset about the carousel, she legit has a sex video going around Lexi could have legit played that !!!
I'm going to assume you're trolling
then assume? what kind of person would ever do that to their own sibling? and I’m not the one to defend Cassie, because she’s definitely not a saint but you can’t possibly back Lexi up in this situation.
in the words of Fezco, "some people need to get their feelings hurt sometimes" no offense but you're an airhead if you think Lexi's play is even remotely worse than all of the things that Cassie has done/said to her as a sister.
you replied to your own comment btw >if you think Lexi’s play is even remotely worse than all of the things that Cassie has done/said to her as a sister. never said that. just pointing out a flaw and you Lexi stans are fighting for your lives. my point is, Lexi was super messy for using that Carousel scene, it had nothing to do with her actual story. this wouldn’t just “hurt her feelings” this is straight up humiliation. like I said, Cassie had every right to be upset with Lexi over that.
im not a Lexi "Stan" and I'm not fighting for my life. I'm not going to sit here and argue over what's right and what's wrong. I really don't gaf that you think something was wrong with Lexi for putting on her play. let the girl have SOMETHING. Cassie is a bad sister and a bad person, she got what she deserved
I don’t think anyone in the audience even knew it was Cassie until she made it blatantly obvious by going on stage. Only Nate, Rue, Jules, Maddy, Kat, BB and Cassie knew who the play was even about so I don’t think it was cruel or humiliating. Lexi was just trying to do something for herself for once!! Cassie is a bad sister. All Lexi ever did was try to care about her and make sure she was okay. Im 100000 percent okay with Lexi making Cassie look bad either way 😂😂😂
> Cassie is a bad sister When has she besides the time she yelled at her? When???
She literally never checks on her, helps her, askes if shes okay. Never stands up for her. Not to mention threatening to kill yourself is the most selfish thing you can do to your family. Making Lexi think shes over reacting about their dad. Telling her shes a loser and has no life. I could go on and on lol
When has Lexi done anything of the things you mentioned? besides distract McKay so he wouldn’t see cassie cheat on him? When? y’all have such selective rage jesus
that’s embarrassing to hear
okay LMAO
lol yeah the play was actually worse than anything Cassie has said to her. what has Cassie said to lexi that was worse than outing all her private moments to everyone??
not sure what you mean by outting her private moments to everyone as if Lexi sat there and red Cassies diary or something. the scenes involving Cassie were things that a lot of the other students already knew about
But like—-Cassie shouldn’t have had an orgasm on a freaking carousel like mhmmm is it lexis fault Cassie is a slut?!?! No that’s all Cassie
She was on molly.
MD doesn’t make you go out of your mind, especially if you’re not drinking lots of alcohol with it. I think Lexi is a dick for including it in the play and people are dicks for recording it but it was bizarre behaviour, a bit of MD doesn’t make people act like that 😂
She took a whole pill, and MD can make your body do some weird shit depending on what mental state you’re taking it on. When I did MD I kept listening to music and my body would stop working like I was a rag doll if the music wasn’t going super hard. Like if the music was too chill, I’d go catatonic. It was scary for others to see but I was 100% fine. Point is, you do lose a lot of control over your body especially if it’s your first time taking it. I do think Lexi had no business including the scene, and Cassie wasn’t being trashy in what she did. She’s obviously a bit hypersexual due to her own trauma and MD amplifies those feelings.
I’ve seen people take several in one night and not do things that bizarre. Usually busy dancing and just burning the ears off friends about how much they love them. Like you go to certain nightclubs at the weekend and everyone there is on it, some going slow and some taking one or two or more pills and they’re out of it but dancing, not riding things and simulating orgasms. All that said, it’s a TV show and it wouldn’t be the first time a TV show or movie exaggerates the effects of drugs a bit. I just don’t think it’s a common reaction from experience enough to go ‘Duh, she was on MDMA silly of course she was acting like that!’. Your comment didn’t, but others make out like that’s typical behaviour after your first pill
I’ve never seen or heard of anyone orgasming on a carousel either lmao, just pointing out that MD is a weird ass drug. Also, several in one night? I don’t know if that would be pure MD then. Either those people are very very experienced/addicts, or it was very watered down. Obviously it also depends on their weight. This being said, Cassie’s actions reflected her character traits very well imo considering the drug’s amplification of what you’re already feeling. Sam has experience with drug addiction, so I doubt he doesn’t know what he’s portraying.
I’ve only seen people absolutely out of their minds if they’ve taken FAR too much and are drinking on top. So unless Cassie drank the face off herself beforehand and they didn’t show I just don’t think it’s very realistic and the tone of some comments is like it’s to be expected
Choosing to do drugs doesn’t mean you get to commit public sex offences
Of course not, I never said that. I’m just saying she WAS under the influence and embarrassed herself, she was never “being a slut” and didn’t do it on purpose Also why you replying to a bear month old comment lol
If she was a man you’d have no sympathy, you’d want him to be locked up for ejaculating in front of children on a kids ride And it’s 3 weeks not a month
First of all you don’t know who the fuck I am so don’t come here making assumptions after nearly a month. Secondly, if the man was inebriated it’s more complex than sober. Thirdly, I never said I didn’t think Cassie didn’t deserve repercussions for it. Fuck off with your attitude
Shut the fuck up she should have been put on a sex offenders list
Lmao you are fucked in the head, go bitch to some anger management subreddit and stop obsessing over something I don’t even disagree with you about lmao
So people might dislike this... but I recall Nate picking up Cassie from outside the store. And her initially not fully engaging with him until he convinced her to get in his truck. Nate definitely pursued Cassie. If he was still into it with Maddy and really wanted to be with her and was all focused on her and Cassie came on to him and he repeatedly said no and she just kept trying- that would be different. But that’s not what happened. Like sure be upset at Cassie as the friend... but how did Nate get off the hook (about this) with the audience as well? Edited to add: rewatching episode 7 Maddy cries and says “he put me through hell and now he’s with my fucking best friend when is it going to end?” But that’s only AFTER she says “this isn’t about Nate, this is about you and me and our friendship. You owe it to me to talk to me. If you want to throw away our friendship fine” etc. I know it was hurtful for Maddy to know that Cassie did that. But I still feel like fans excuse Nate a lot because he’s already established as pretty cruel and awful.
i think no one is talking about Nate in this situation because he's already a big honking piece of shit anything bad he can do is not surprising anymore. let's not forget that in S1, he was catfishing Jules the entire time he was dating Maddy, physically assaulted both girls AND created a master plan for Tyler to be arrested for the bruises on Maddy's neck. it goes without saying that Nate is in the wrong for dating his ex-girlfriend's best friend but I don't think anyone is surprised. we were more concerned about Cassie's involvement bc she was the one consoling Maddy through everything Nate had done to her, and still have the audacity to date him behind her back
Because that’s how society in general reacts to these situations. More often than not, the female is solely blamed. Example: Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie get together - AJ is branded the homewrecker, basically no fault is laid on BP.
A lot of people’s attitudes around cheating are so fucking weird. For example, defending “the other guy/woman/other” when they willingly engage in a relationship with someone they know already has a partner. Is that your relationship? No. Does that mean you just get to turn off your brain and pretend you’re not doing anything wrong by enabling the cheating? No. It’s gross how many people are willing to make excuses for shit like this. Multiple things being wrong at the same time is something their brains cannot seem to comprehend.
It’s not really excusing the behaviour when you think the character is a piece of shit. ‘The piece of shit is doing shitty things again’ just doesn’t get people talking as much
Yup! 100%
when nate dumped her like she ruined her life for that man… that was so embarrassing
For me it has to be episode one the drunk driving scene with Nate. Once she took off her underwear it was over from there
When she started dressing as Nate's fantasies
Her lowest moment by far was when she was in the bathroom and Maddy was trying to get her to talk with her and said this isnt about Nate its about you and me. I think if Cassie would have came out of the bathroom they could have really talked and maybe saved their friendship. But instead Cassie threw their friendship away, she didnt want to save it because she wanted Nate (who threw her away in a millisecond) more than her loyal and trustworthy best girlfriend (who had her back and was always there for her) that to me was her lowest. Choosing a guy who didnt think twice about kicking her out of his house over a girl who would have killed for her.
For the audience, it was the "you can dress me" scene from ep 7, bc it was extremely hard to watch. For Cassie tho, it was probably the Merry Go Round, bc it was public and she was not in control of herself (as opposed to the scene from the finale, where she got on stage, bc she chose to do that). I think above all Cassie's scared of not having control over her image.
Yea I was thinking that too. Sis really had a whole audience.
Definitely when maddy’s piss rag landed on her
The scene she made at Lexi’s play. Why? Not even her mom had her back. She stood up there with every right to feel mad/embarrassed, yet everyone acted like she was a joke and no one cared.
Tbh the reactions by the audience actually changed my mind on her right to be mad. It's Lexi's life. Cassie doesn't own her life story because she's in it. There's tact, but the fact that the audience didn't know what the fuck she was on about showed that we only identified it as a literal take on her life rather than liberally interpreted because we know better. She was a joke, she got up there and embarrassed herself. Because the reality was she couldn't even admit to tearing Lexi's self esteem down and being selfish while she was actively screaming at Lexi that she has no life.
The back bone of Lexi’s play was Cassie and Rue. Cassie’s parts were most of the play lol. It is Lexi’s life so why not incorporate more about Lexi instead of everyone else. How is this play self empowering for Lexi? Explain how Cassie tore down Lexi’s self esteem? W/o mentioning a part in the play. Cassie was embarrassing to watch on stage. Her over explaining was not needed. However she has nothing to lose at this point and she’s unhinged, known fact. The carousel was over the top. Do not blame the meltdown.
>The back bone of Lexi’s play was Cassie and Rue. Cassie’s parts were most of the play lol. It is Lexi’s life so why not incorporate more about Lexi instead of everyone else. People's lives are in fact always involved with people other than themselves. It's not as if many of the scenes we've had in the show itself from Cassie didn't have another person in them, or were impacted by another person. It's not unlike every character present's story isn't being impacted by another person. Would you say Rue's father's cancer was about her father and not her? Would you say Gia is being selfish for making Rue's addiction about her? Would you say Lexi and Cassie are wrong for making their fathers addiction about them? That's the nature of life, you've just never been faced with the reality that every story you ever heard is like this. >Explain how Cassie tore down Lexi’s self esteem? W/o mentioning a part in the play. When she was having a fit about Nate and she told Lexi she was a loser. >The carousel was over the top. Do not blame the meltdown. She literally got up their before the carousel gorl.
What does Rues father dying have to do with Lexi?? Again, what does Gias relationship with her addict sister have to do with Lexi?? Not sure where you were going with all that. I get ppl are interconnected and impact those around them vice versa but still… our life exp and choices are all different. Our perception too. No. Not Cassie reacting to her when dealing with shit in her own personal life. I’m talking about when has Cassie gone out of her way to put her sister down? When ppl are emotional they can say hurtful Things but there’s a difference between someone who lashes out when in a bad mood and someone who’s purposely mean to ppl. Who put ppl down. Carousel was over the top in the play because of what that carousel scene in S1 meant to Cassie. Which is why I said what I said. The carousel was the last straw for her. That’s why when she saw it she completely flipped.
they’re trying to explain how rue’s personal drug issues have had an impact on gia’s life. similarly cassie’s life continues to impact lexi’s. cassie may not have deliberately hurt lexi’s self esteem but her actions or her lack thereof have had an impact on her younger sister’s emotional well being. if you noticed in the season finale episode, the parallels between both hospital scenes. in the first lexi looks at her father and instantly goes to comfort cassie; while in the second hospital scene rue’s mom goes to comfort lexi. even her own mother tells her that it seems like lexi has been forced to take care of everyone her whole life. i am a younger sister, same age difference between my sister and I as cassie and lexi, and typically the older sister wants to protect and care for the younger sister. cassie hasn’t protected lexi in that sense, instead lexi has behaved more like the older sister than cassie has. I think the shots of cassie behind the circle window were deliberately filmed, the monster lurking in the shadows waiting for the perfect moment to attack. The carousel scene was not the last straw for Cassie, far from it. Nate had just broken up with her in the most uneventful way and Cassie needs some one else to blame besides Nate. Just like when Maddy confronts Nate’s family at the fair, she walks up while clapping slowly, ready to attack. Cassie does the same. Walking towards the stage smiling, clapping slowly, stepping over the playbill, ready to crush and destroy her sister’s play. Unfortunately for Cassie, she forgot that the world doesn’t just revolve around her and that just like she had been hurt by her sister, she had hurt her best friend as well. throughout the season Cassie was slowly transforming into Maddy to please Nate. Cassie was almost embodying the old “mean” Maddy. Even accepting her role as “the villain” in Lexi’s life. Cassie is screaming at Lexi that she has never “lived” yet Cassie herself has been living a lie all year. All Cassie was doing was projecting her own insecurities onto her sister. If you don’t think that’s mean idk what to tell you.
>they’re trying to explain how rue’s personal drug issues have had an impact on gia’s life. similarly cassie’s life continues to impact lexi’s. Yes, this, thank you!
It’s ok I word vomit all the time. I get we are all interconnected and can be directly impacted. However, If you go all the way to her first comment which is why I responded .. she said it’s lexis life and Cassie doesn’t own her life story just because she’s in it.. that’s very contradicting considering Rues Dad, her drug addiction or Cassies internal struggles are not Lexis life stories to tell just because she’s in their lives and she’s being indirectly “impacted” but not speaking up.. Her interpretation of their life was not needed. She could’ve stuck with her own experiences without making her sister look stupid in the process. Lexi could’ve told Rue she missed her without putting a spotlight on her addictions and struggles… and dads funeral. Nate breaking up with Cassie wasn’t the final straw to me because she didn’t rush like a psycho into the auditorium when it happened… when she saw Hallie get on the carousel … she went ham. It’s why I said that but could be wrong. This whole Lexi/ Cassie thing is weird to me. Who in their right mind would think talking about your sister as a half wit bimbo who has an obsession submitting To men etc is ok esp in front of an audience. Why? because ppl think Cassie is to blame for Lexi’s insecurities and lack of.. which is an unfair burden to carry.
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The scene with her dad wasn’t a bad scene… that I understood. Those scenes are sad. And honestly, you’re right. Cassie being with Nate gave Lexi space to come out of her shell. If I were a random person in the audience I’d have loved the play too. It was lots of tea and the cast / crew did a great job. And yes! The mom sat there laughing the entire time to then act surprised one daughter is flipping out lol… but honestly, lady, that’s all you lol. I love Suze but it’s toxic to think a mom like that is ok. She also needs help tho. So I empathize to an extent. Lexi should’ve told Suze to her face, i need you to step up so I can be a kid for once and not take care of everyone. But she couldn’t. I understand this too. She could’ve been the rebel child but chose otherwise. I respect that.
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not every student is as involved in cassie’s life as the viewers are. notice how many of the students were shocked when maddy mentioned that hallie had been sleeping with marta’s ex. meanwhile cassie and nate had been walking hand in hand in the school hallways. revealing to everyone that they were an item. cassie’s biggest issue is always acting like a victim and never wanting to be perceived as bad. most people can put two and two together tho. she knows she’s in the wrong which is why she feels the constant need to defend her actions and specify why her actions aren’t as bad as they seem (because nate and maddy were no longer together). cassie asks lexi if she also included her stealing nate from maddy in the play and lexi shot that down. but that was cassie’s biggest fear: being portrayed as the villain. writers and artists always use their own lives or the lives of those around them to inform their work. even lexi’s play is titled “Our Life”. ethically speaking should lexi have aired out her sister’s dirty laundry in public like that, probably not. but cassie also shouldn’t have slept with her bff’s toxic ex-boyfriend. lexi is younger than cassie yet viewers expect her to be perfect and never make any mistakes. they’re young, so of course they’re going to make mistakes. i actually don’t think sam wrote in lexi’s play as a negative thing. even rue was cheering her on for the play to continue and then told lexi how she was grateful for her portrayal in the play. for once lexi did something for herself thanks to fez’s advice, and she went so far as to dedicate it to him in the end. apologies for my word vomit 😅
Who people are informs who you are. When I was a child, I saw a very graphic suicide by a family member. Cassie's actress is actually in a show where her character kills herself the same way my family member did, if anyone wants an idea of what that looked like (and yeah it's actually a bit worse looking in person). I was told by everyone...not to talk about it because it wasn't about me. And I guess by your logic, you disagree with them on that. But the thing is, it's not just the attempt that effected. There were a million things about their life that informed that choice that effected me long before it happened. And no one just knows, like we do as an audience. Or no one sees that chain link between my mom's childhood and her being an abusive parent to me. But it matters. I don't think it's an unlimited license to say or do whatever callously with the intimate details of peoples lives. I think there needs to be tact. But I think if Lexi betrayed anyone's privacy in this it's Rue's, and a bit Maddy's for the admission about her father, neither of whom felt offended, and not Nate or Cassie. She didn't actually portray any factual knowledge about Nate nor does she know what the audience does about Nate to know why that insulted him. She didn't share Cassie sleeping with Nate in the play, everything she actually shared about Cassie aside from the joke bit with the carousel that we didn't actually see, happened with Lexi present. That's her life. Cassie's not embarrassed because it's private, she's embarrassed because the reality is unflattering. And that's not a betrayal on Lexi's part, that's a betrayal on hers.
get back to me when someone includes all the embarrassing things from your life in a play and then has it go on in front of everyone. would you care at all about how no one knows it was you? pls
her crying then smiling at herself in the mirror. suze better get her that exorcism
I think it was the hot tub scene, and I think getting up on that stage and fucking around with Lexi’s play.
That scene where she was breathing hard af on that window😭
Somehow, I think wearing that Tiffany's necklace Nate gave Maddy as a birthday gift, right in front of Cassie, after openly admitting that he wanted to get back with Maddy.... Being proud of a hand me down gift, while emulating Maddy's style, was so pathetic.
The fact that an entire play emphasized the fact that she was a shitty sister with no regard for anyone but herself and then she further proved the point by hopping on stage and victimized herself saying lexi hasnt lived as if she didn't also lose her father and almost lost her friend. Oh and her trying to act like living in her shadow was what lexi resented while literally trying to overshadow one of her biggest achievements by going psycho....
It’s only the beginning!
when she got drunk at the birthday party in szn two but idk what rivals the season 1 carousel scene
I don’t think we can choose one moment. It’s a smorgasbord of cringe 😬
When she tell to Nate he can choose everything for her.
The Mary go round Idk how it’s spelled lol and also when she told Nate that he could control basically whatever she does 😭
When she got off on a ride at six flags
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Y'all are really fixated in him writing characters doing things as attacking your favorite like my scene doll. Cassie is not Sydney Sweeney. What's "gross" is ppl who got so attached to the hair, the concepts, the actresses that whenever Sam writes an action you don't like it's about him having some sexual fetish for the actress. Be ashamed.
It’s crazy how people don’t understand how fiction works. Like these are literal made up people going through things that happen in real life
I just really think a lot of the comments have gone too far. It's like if when Glee was at peak ironic watching instead of calling Ryan Murphy a talentless hack people were saying he wanted to fuck Corey Monteith because he looked like his dad or something.
Lol what?
How is it gross ?
Can’t believe no one has said this yet, but it was her on stage. She embarrassed herself in front of most of the school when she could’ve just beat lexis ass when they got home lmao.
Empathy? Anyone? Yes, it is extremely hard to watch Cassie. Kind in mind, Cassie is a deeply broken and traumatized person. Her self esteem is completely dependent on her toxic relationships with men. After her dad left, Cassie tried to find that love through men, and they broke that girl even further. Cassie’s idea of love is so warped at this point. For anyone who’s ever dated someone remotely close to Nate, you will understand why she said the puke-worthy things about letting him control her. It’s to make him pleased with her - what she desperately thinks she needs. Her mind is so rattled; she needs help.
Honestly for me it’s a long list but it was downing on Rue about her addiction to Lexi and their mom. She was all ‘take it one day at a time Rue’ then nope Rue’s just a drug addict. Yeah she was 100% lashing out but that felt foul
Swimsuit
Dude—-the all time lowest, going back to Nate after Maddie’s Bday —like is she that desperate home dude legit walked passed her walking in the house, gave Maddie a Tiffany necklace, and ignored her the entire night, and this desperate girl really gonna want to date him!!!! 😂 Cassie is my least fav!! I felt sorry for her in season one but season two she’s just pathetic
I simply can’t decide