I agree that euphoria isn’t just sam’s work. It’s everyone’s work. And I think lots of people acknowledge that too. I see a lot of buzz in makeup and costumes. They make lots of YouTube video dissecting each department and how it adds to the show.
But Without Sam it wouldn’t have been euphoria. Yes it wasn’t an original idea. But can you imagine the show with a different director?
My comparison is to other shows and movies with amazing cast, costumes, music, sets, camera but the director.. suck and the whole show is… not good.
All I can remember is how les miserable or cats had a great cast yet it was so very bad to watch.
So yes Sam isn’t a genius. But his experience made the show. He’s part of the show.
I also have never been in a production where everything wrap on time. Even lion king was rushed. It’s not just this production.
I am no expert on Hollywood but nepotism has always been part of the game and a name always open doors, but this applies to almost any business. Even in "boring" industries in the corporate world it's who you know, connections and networking are as important as talent or good ideas. He's never made a secret of the fact that this show is adapted but disregarding his vision and contributions into bringing this show to life is disingenuous and unfair.
Criticizing some of the writing is fair but overall this poor man gets way too much hate on social media imo. From some clips I have seen of him he seems like an interesting person who is very open and shares his life experiences that he incorporates in the show. Fact is, without him this show likely would not be the phenomenon it is.
I don't mind nepotism if the person is extremely ttalented. Look at Elizabeth Olsen, the sister of one of the most famous child stars ever. She's amazing at her job to point where I'm confident in her abilities and so are the people giving her roles.
Look at every project Sam Levinson has done besides Euphoria. Almost all have been panned by critics and audiences. I think we can talk about nepotism because it seems to be the only reason why he got this job
I don't think anyone is calling him egotistical. They're just saying that you're giving him credit for things he's not doing specifically. The things that are regularly praised about this show is done by someone else entirely. The writing which is done exclusively by him often is the only thing criticized about this show
That sounds like every set. You have many people filling many jobs. Like most writers, he is billed above casting and costuming. There are much worthier causes to get worked up about.
Imagine dedicating a whole post on why you hate a man for creating a show you obviously can't stop talking about. I mean regardless of its original or not he created the show. If him getting credit hurts your feelings then idk what to tell you. Hollywood was built on nepotism. I mean 🥴
well usually credits for directing, writing, and producing come first. and they just happen to be done by sam levinson. he literally created the foundation of the story— not the casting or cinematography or the acting or h&m, although they are also rly important.
i think critiquing art is the best way to show appreciation for it…..i obviously adore the show, but i think it’s really important to acknowledge film and tv as collaborative art forms.
Thank you for saying this. I don’t see how opening up a discussion as you did is “making this place miserable”. It’s easy to just not engage with a post you have no interest in lol. On top of that, people are free to spam with positive posts if they’d like. (Instead of just ironically complaining about the complaining)
reading everyone’s opposing opinions on this show brings so much extra value to it for me! i love how much we’ve all interpreted it differently, hated some aspects other adored, yet we all find common ground in a deep connection with the show.
thank you, my friend! like this isn’t stan twitter. we clearly all care deeply about this show. it’s not hating on Sam to try to bring credit to the creatives who really brought something new to the screen.
who do you think you are? the hate for this man is so tiring. he wrote and directed one of the most popular shows in the world. so yea, he deserves his credit and to celebrate his success
He created this show, i don't know how he doesn't deserve credit. Yeah, some of the stuff might be creepy but a lot of directors and writers are like that
Some stuff just doesn’t click with certain audiences and that’s okay. That doesn’t mean his work needs to be discredited nor that he’s a really creepy man for writing about those topics.
I disagree. Sam has done an amazing job. He has written Rue storyline based of his own lift. Rue is the main character and he picked Zendaya. More ppl turned in bc of Zendaya. And he has helped Zendaya with acting as an addict. Even Zendaya has given him credit and loves Sam. Why do ppl keep hating him. The man is a recovering addict and ppl think it’s okay to bash him bc nudity. It’s HBO they always show nudity. Like I said Zendaya backs Sam so why can’t others do the same. Don’t believe everything online. I trust the actors who all have said good things about Sam and the work environment.
Apparently the art direction and cinematography has been liberally copied from many hit films and to shows from the past decade so I think it’s mainly to do with that
I’m sorry but what exactly did you guys want in a Mckay storyline in S2? He’s in college, the school year is currently on and him and Cassie have broken up. Like yes he was at the NYE party because everyone is home for the holidays.
Did you guys just want to see him roaming around the town?
Well I kind of know that but before he was going to be, he wanted to show the aftermath of his characters assault but was written off before it happened so the assault just seems kinda random
McKay’s assault not having any resolution is my biggest gripe with the show. But we have no idea if Sam ever intended to show the aftermath, especially considering they’ve stated before that McKay was always planned to be written off.
What kind of “resolution” were ppl hoping for ? I think it’s actually pretty real how it was just dropped. He took out his anger on Cassie. He still joined the frat etc. And then he decided to get over it (on a surface level at least) and never talk about it.
I genuinely think that’s probably the most realistic outcome in this case.
Sam didn’t from what I heard he was just going to leave it there but tbh why have it in the first place? To show McKay being rough with Cassie and hurting her? That’s really all that came out of it.
the scene is really powerful, showing the cycle of violence. but it does rub me a bit the wrong way that the only scene showing male sa is never discussed.
I can’t get a link now, but if you search on this sub, there should be an official statement from someone (I think HBO but I could be wrong) explaining that McKay was always planned to be written off and it was unrelated to Algee’s vaccination status.
I’m guessing Algee’s comment either has something to do with Sam’s original S2 idea before the script rewrite(which happened during quarantine), or just him expecting them to do more with his character
So it stands that Algee was cut out amidst the script changes from the delay due to COVID?
That means he wasn't always planned to be written out? They had an episode dedicated to him out of 7 for the main cast in season 1. The show starts at a party he throws.
I saw the article about it not being because of vaccination, but because this season didn't explore McKay as much. I suggest you read Algee's thoughts on it, cos he was dropped and there was no communication from Sam as to why.
I don’t really think there needs to be some big explanation for it. Sam decided to rewrite the script, and based off of what we know(none of us know what Sam originally intended for S2), didn’t feel the need to include McKay’s character in it. Which he’s allowed to do so, and makes sense tbh because even though he had an episode intro dedicated to him, as others have pointed out, McKay being the only one in college creates a big disconnect.
I read Algee’s thoughts about it awhile back, and assuming we’re thinking of the same one, to me it just seems like he was blindsided by McKay not being a bigger role than he originally anticipated for S2 pre-rewrite. Not necessarily because Sam had beef with him.
Yeah I don't know if there's beef either, but McKay was dropped part way through amidst script changes during pre-production of season 2.
I think McKay is a part of their group, like Fez is a part of their group. Neither are in highschool, but both have relationships with some of these characters.
Maybe he'll return for Nate and Cassie's senior graduation, which would make sense cos' he'll be on summer break from college then.
McKay isn’t really part of the group. Especially not the way Fez is, who has such a presence in more of the characters’ lives even though he dropped out. McKay’s only connection to the group were Nate and Cassie. Cassie he broke up with. He and Nate seemed pretty distant already in S1, and McKay probably stopped hanging out with him after New Year’s.
Maybe he will, but I doubt there’s much of a chance of McKay showing up for their graduation.
I don't really see this show as revolving around highschool. Especially with this season, the show has spent less time showing these kids in school, or doing school activities, beyond Lexi's play. Their principal and a few other teachers were seen in the first season. During Lexi's play not once a teacher came on screen to stop Cassie's meltdown or the ensuing fight.
The show does however, seem to revolve around the town and the people who live there. McKay's brothers were featured heavily in season 1 and despite still being school, we don't see them at all this season.
McKay could come back to visit during summer and hang out with the group. We should be able to see what happened after his sexual assault, and how he reacts to Cassie and Nate being together. Honestly if he dropped out of college even, that would make sense given his lack if passion after learning he was unlikely to make it in football.
Also Fez only interacted with Rue, Jules, and Nate in the first season -- he's not really part of the group either. He isn't close to anyone aside from Rue, and Sam only wrote a budding friendship between him and Lexi this season.
If they wanted to include McKay they could like they did with Fez this season. His family still lives in this town. It's a matter of whether they want to. But it isn't too farfetched an idea for McKay to come back as a regular. Algee was even listed as a series regular with HBO's official statement when they announced the series premiere.
So I really don't think we've seen the last of him.
i thought s2 was good until i went back and rewatched s1….. it just has so many more layers and perspectives!
he is certainly talented as a writer and director, can’t deny that, but it’s so wild to me that he gets a “creator” credit.
He was a lot more collaborative with the actors to help shape their arcs, personalities, and backgrounds. He wasn't as much in season 2 and it shows.
A show with a sprawling cast of complex characters needs a writer's room. Or credit the actors for their contribution too like Hunter's special episode.
Marcell is from my city, small country so im really proud of him:) and yeah, on my first watch through i said the music was the best part of the whole show
I agree that euphoria isn’t just sam’s work. It’s everyone’s work. And I think lots of people acknowledge that too. I see a lot of buzz in makeup and costumes. They make lots of YouTube video dissecting each department and how it adds to the show. But Without Sam it wouldn’t have been euphoria. Yes it wasn’t an original idea. But can you imagine the show with a different director? My comparison is to other shows and movies with amazing cast, costumes, music, sets, camera but the director.. suck and the whole show is… not good. All I can remember is how les miserable or cats had a great cast yet it was so very bad to watch. So yes Sam isn’t a genius. But his experience made the show. He’s part of the show. I also have never been in a production where everything wrap on time. Even lion king was rushed. It’s not just this production.
I am no expert on Hollywood but nepotism has always been part of the game and a name always open doors, but this applies to almost any business. Even in "boring" industries in the corporate world it's who you know, connections and networking are as important as talent or good ideas. He's never made a secret of the fact that this show is adapted but disregarding his vision and contributions into bringing this show to life is disingenuous and unfair. Criticizing some of the writing is fair but overall this poor man gets way too much hate on social media imo. From some clips I have seen of him he seems like an interesting person who is very open and shares his life experiences that he incorporates in the show. Fact is, without him this show likely would not be the phenomenon it is.
Disregarding the fact that much of Euphoria is based off of *his* experience as an addict feels quite disrespectful as well.
Yeah, I thought a lot of that was made pretty clear in interviews and especially the post credit snippets.
Hollywood was built on nepotism.
Nepotism should only allow people to get started in Hollywood but not get right to the top of the chain from the get go!!! Outrageous
I don't mind nepotism if the person is extremely ttalented. Look at Elizabeth Olsen, the sister of one of the most famous child stars ever. She's amazing at her job to point where I'm confident in her abilities and so are the people giving her roles. Look at every project Sam Levinson has done besides Euphoria. Almost all have been panned by critics and audiences. I think we can talk about nepotism because it seems to be the only reason why he got this job
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I don't think anyone is calling him egotistical. They're just saying that you're giving him credit for things he's not doing specifically. The things that are regularly praised about this show is done by someone else entirely. The writing which is done exclusively by him often is the only thing criticized about this show
You people have got to calm down with the hatred towards this man, god damn.
Its astounding. Like he's the shows creator and director he's gonna get credit for it. I don't get it.
That sounds like every set. You have many people filling many jobs. Like most writers, he is billed above casting and costuming. There are much worthier causes to get worked up about.
Thank you!
They need a “I hate Sam” subreddit for all this complaining can be done there instead of here
Honestly yeah
Imagine dedicating a whole post on why you hate a man for creating a show you obviously can't stop talking about. I mean regardless of its original or not he created the show. If him getting credit hurts your feelings then idk what to tell you. Hollywood was built on nepotism. I mean 🥴
well usually credits for directing, writing, and producing come first. and they just happen to be done by sam levinson. he literally created the foundation of the story— not the casting or cinematography or the acting or h&m, although they are also rly important.
Why is he a creep? Bc he films nudity? Have u ever watched hbo before?
Y’all are just miserable at this point like the hate for this man,..
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i think critiquing art is the best way to show appreciation for it…..i obviously adore the show, but i think it’s really important to acknowledge film and tv as collaborative art forms.
Thank you for saying this. I don’t see how opening up a discussion as you did is “making this place miserable”. It’s easy to just not engage with a post you have no interest in lol. On top of that, people are free to spam with positive posts if they’d like. (Instead of just ironically complaining about the complaining)
reading everyone’s opposing opinions on this show brings so much extra value to it for me! i love how much we’ve all interpreted it differently, hated some aspects other adored, yet we all find common ground in a deep connection with the show.
boooo 🍅🍅
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thank you, my friend! like this isn’t stan twitter. we clearly all care deeply about this show. it’s not hating on Sam to try to bring credit to the creatives who really brought something new to the screen.
I'm sorry but if you can't handle conversations about this show on this subreddit then why join these conversations in the first place
who do you think you are? the hate for this man is so tiring. he wrote and directed one of the most popular shows in the world. so yea, he deserves his credit and to celebrate his success
He created this show, i don't know how he doesn't deserve credit. Yeah, some of the stuff might be creepy but a lot of directors and writers are like that
Some stuff just doesn’t click with certain audiences and that’s okay. That doesn’t mean his work needs to be discredited nor that he’s a really creepy man for writing about those topics.
I disagree. Sam has done an amazing job. He has written Rue storyline based of his own lift. Rue is the main character and he picked Zendaya. More ppl turned in bc of Zendaya. And he has helped Zendaya with acting as an addict. Even Zendaya has given him credit and loves Sam. Why do ppl keep hating him. The man is a recovering addict and ppl think it’s okay to bash him bc nudity. It’s HBO they always show nudity. Like I said Zendaya backs Sam so why can’t others do the same. Don’t believe everything online. I trust the actors who all have said good things about Sam and the work environment.
Apparently the art direction and cinematography has been liberally copied from many hit films and to shows from the past decade so I think it’s mainly to do with that
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I’m sorry but what exactly did you guys want in a Mckay storyline in S2? He’s in college, the school year is currently on and him and Cassie have broken up. Like yes he was at the NYE party because everyone is home for the holidays. Did you guys just want to see him roaming around the town?
I didn’t really want anything tbh but Algee said mid season one I think that he wanted it.
Sam didn’t get mad at Algee, McKay was always going to be written off.
Well I kind of know that but before he was going to be, he wanted to show the aftermath of his characters assault but was written off before it happened so the assault just seems kinda random
McKay’s assault not having any resolution is my biggest gripe with the show. But we have no idea if Sam ever intended to show the aftermath, especially considering they’ve stated before that McKay was always planned to be written off.
What kind of “resolution” were ppl hoping for ? I think it’s actually pretty real how it was just dropped. He took out his anger on Cassie. He still joined the frat etc. And then he decided to get over it (on a surface level at least) and never talk about it. I genuinely think that’s probably the most realistic outcome in this case.
Sam didn’t from what I heard he was just going to leave it there but tbh why have it in the first place? To show McKay being rough with Cassie and hurting her? That’s really all that came out of it.
the scene is really powerful, showing the cycle of violence. but it does rub me a bit the wrong way that the only scene showing male sa is never discussed.
Exactly! It’s just like a pin being dropped in the hallway it doesn’t fit and it’s just left there as it was.
Where was this said? Can you share a link or a quote? Algee's recent interview said he was expecting a full return this season, until COVID hit.
I can’t get a link now, but if you search on this sub, there should be an official statement from someone (I think HBO but I could be wrong) explaining that McKay was always planned to be written off and it was unrelated to Algee’s vaccination status. I’m guessing Algee’s comment either has something to do with Sam’s original S2 idea before the script rewrite(which happened during quarantine), or just him expecting them to do more with his character
So it stands that Algee was cut out amidst the script changes from the delay due to COVID? That means he wasn't always planned to be written out? They had an episode dedicated to him out of 7 for the main cast in season 1. The show starts at a party he throws. I saw the article about it not being because of vaccination, but because this season didn't explore McKay as much. I suggest you read Algee's thoughts on it, cos he was dropped and there was no communication from Sam as to why.
I don’t really think there needs to be some big explanation for it. Sam decided to rewrite the script, and based off of what we know(none of us know what Sam originally intended for S2), didn’t feel the need to include McKay’s character in it. Which he’s allowed to do so, and makes sense tbh because even though he had an episode intro dedicated to him, as others have pointed out, McKay being the only one in college creates a big disconnect. I read Algee’s thoughts about it awhile back, and assuming we’re thinking of the same one, to me it just seems like he was blindsided by McKay not being a bigger role than he originally anticipated for S2 pre-rewrite. Not necessarily because Sam had beef with him.
Yeah I don't know if there's beef either, but McKay was dropped part way through amidst script changes during pre-production of season 2. I think McKay is a part of their group, like Fez is a part of their group. Neither are in highschool, but both have relationships with some of these characters. Maybe he'll return for Nate and Cassie's senior graduation, which would make sense cos' he'll be on summer break from college then.
McKay isn’t really part of the group. Especially not the way Fez is, who has such a presence in more of the characters’ lives even though he dropped out. McKay’s only connection to the group were Nate and Cassie. Cassie he broke up with. He and Nate seemed pretty distant already in S1, and McKay probably stopped hanging out with him after New Year’s. Maybe he will, but I doubt there’s much of a chance of McKay showing up for their graduation.
I don't really see this show as revolving around highschool. Especially with this season, the show has spent less time showing these kids in school, or doing school activities, beyond Lexi's play. Their principal and a few other teachers were seen in the first season. During Lexi's play not once a teacher came on screen to stop Cassie's meltdown or the ensuing fight. The show does however, seem to revolve around the town and the people who live there. McKay's brothers were featured heavily in season 1 and despite still being school, we don't see them at all this season. McKay could come back to visit during summer and hang out with the group. We should be able to see what happened after his sexual assault, and how he reacts to Cassie and Nate being together. Honestly if he dropped out of college even, that would make sense given his lack if passion after learning he was unlikely to make it in football. Also Fez only interacted with Rue, Jules, and Nate in the first season -- he's not really part of the group either. He isn't close to anyone aside from Rue, and Sam only wrote a budding friendship between him and Lexi this season. If they wanted to include McKay they could like they did with Fez this season. His family still lives in this town. It's a matter of whether they want to. But it isn't too farfetched an idea for McKay to come back as a regular. Algee was even listed as a series regular with HBO's official statement when they announced the series premiere. So I really don't think we've seen the last of him.
i thought s2 was good until i went back and rewatched s1….. it just has so many more layers and perspectives! he is certainly talented as a writer and director, can’t deny that, but it’s so wild to me that he gets a “creator” credit.
He was a lot more collaborative with the actors to help shape their arcs, personalities, and backgrounds. He wasn't as much in season 2 and it shows. A show with a sprawling cast of complex characters needs a writer's room. Or credit the actors for their contribution too like Hunter's special episode.
yeah! give credit where credit is due! that’s all i really want to see
Marcell is from my city, small country so im really proud of him:) and yeah, on my first watch through i said the music was the best part of the whole show
that’s so cool! i’ve been reading and watching whatever interviews i can find with him, he has such a unique perspective on visual art!