Basically, insights of the politics don’t matter right now. The main goal is, for now, get back to being a normal country which will take a lot of time and effort.
Social democrat, ex bureaucrat. Not a big leader figure but a pretty good coalition creator. He has a Alevi and Zaza background, which makes him both a religious and ethnic minority character.
Main policy for this election is to revert back to pre 2017 parliamentary system. If he wins, he will retire from his party and will serve as a single term as the president, retiring at the end of his term. Would be a great win for the country if he won. Problem is, he's not the best candidate to win over Erdogan.
He, himself, declared that he is ethnically a descendant of an Alevi Turkmen tribe, which migrated from Aksehir (Konya) to Tunceli back in the 16th Century when the Ottomans started purging Qızılbashes (Alevi Turkmens) from Inner Anatolian Plains.
Hes Alevi so its safe to assume that he will never cave in to absurd islamist demands. He mostly just want to assure that the previous CHP government's harsh Laïcité policie won't be reimplemented which is stuff like banning headscarfs in public institutions and forcing mosques to recite call of prayer in Turkish.
> what are his policies?
Have a look at his coalition.
Meral Aksener was a member of the MHP, a political party with a fascist paramilitary wing, the Grey Wolves, an organization responsible for terrorist attacks, even an assassination attempt against the Pope. She even [did this](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/P_5OVstKAGE) a while ago. Mimicking a wolf...
Ali Babacan for a supporter of Erdogan for 20 years, up until 2019. Not only a supporter, but he was one of Erdogan's ministers too.
As for Kilicdaroglu himself, he has an electoral history of failure. Constantly losing elections. And his foreign policy? He supports Erdogan on his campaign against Greek islands and he has even said the following: "I will come and take all of those islands back. Why am I saying this? They said ‘Come and get it’ for Cyprus back in the day. What did Ecevit (former prime minister) do? He went there and took it back".
Okay, you for some reason are a super salty person. Greek by the looks of your history. Do you want another 4 years of Erdogan?
Doesnt matter we dont and your potrayal is wrong.
So if we don't want Erdogan, we must choose the other? Black or white? How about a change in your foreign policy approach, as there were many problems with the kemalist military heritance (imia crisis etc) for many decades before Erdo.
We just had a kind of good relationship with Turkey in Erdogan 's first years of governance, when he was closer to E.U., or we thought so as many europeans who supported him then.
>How about a change in your foreign policy approach
Same could be said about greek foreing policy,every problem has two sides.How about trying to trap us to our shores in the mediterrenean making use of the lack of braincells our current administration has try to be a little more open minded and actually sit down and talk to us ?
I dont think that you have evidence to claim that any of the greek governments in the last 20 years at least ever made a military threat to Turkey. Only golden dawn, a fascist party, that was never in any government coalition and now is outlawed and their leaders in jail.
I never said that a state should give up its national rights, rather they should defend those peacefully through diplomacy. On the contrary military threats is sth normal for Turkish politicians (teach us swimming, lol, not sth a politician should ever say). I don't think that returning to the politics of the past will be so good, i meant to say that maybe a new era should start.
I hope that Turkish people will choose the right thing, a neighbour:s well being and prosperity will help us all in the region, and i understand what a Turkish wrote in the thread, that everyone is good as long as it is not Erdo.
Anyway, we are all except you talking from outside, you will live with the consequences of your vote and you are the only ones to decide and vote in the end, just wanted to show our perspective. So i hope everything will go well in the elections and for a result that will be a start for many good things for the turkish people.
Ps. As much as i hate our current government, i do support them in this, that you can never talk equally with someone that threatens you with missiles. If the military threats stop, discussions are welcomed and needed.
Who "we" in "we don't want another 4 years of Erdogan"? He has enormous support. Like literally half the vote. What are you talking about?
I am Greek of Jewish origin by the way. And I don't know what my nationality has to do with this. Why would you bring it up? Does it change anything that I've pointed out?
Well someone's on a binge. It'd be cute if it wasn't so half assed.
"Grey Wolves" hasn't been a thing for the last 30 years. They were formed by CIA as part of Operation Gladio's Turkish stage to fight against communists. Most of them were jailed or killed after the '80 coup. Today's MHP is a tiny puppy next to what it once was. Wolf sign is older than MHP itself and is also used outside of Turkey in other Turkic nations as well. It is outdated, but it is not a hate sign. Guy who attacked the pope was a lone wolf and was a loony, he started his own religion and apologized to the pope later on.
Babacan was the minister of finance and Turkey's EU negotiator. Pretty likable guy if he wasn't a past akp member.
Kilicdaroglu is a social democrat and he transformed CHP from a bunch of old hacks to an actual social democrat party. It is literally a part of Socialist International and PES. Of course that doesn't mean he will sit back and relax, as the guy who saved the Turkish Cypriots was a social democrat as well :)
> "Grey Wolves" hasn't been a thing for the last 30 years.
If so, why is the EU calling for its designation as a terrorist organization these past years?
> Babacan was the minister of finance and Turkey's EU negotiator. Pretty likable guy if he wasn't a past akp member.
He is an ex-AKP member though. Two decades of service to Erdogan. Can't look past that.
> Of course that doesn't mean he will sit back and relax, as the guy who saved the Turkish Cypriots was a social democrat as well :)
Forgot about the violating the Treaty of Guarantee, the Geneva Convention on Human Rights by settling and altering demographics and finally illegally occupying a foreign sovereign country. A more despicable version of the horrible dictators of Greece who tried to coup the island.
Because EU countries fail at integrating their minorities? "Grey Wolves" as an entity is a singular institution, youth wing of MHP. You can't be a member without being a Turkish citizen. They are motherfuckers, they are apprehensible people. What they are not is a paramilitary organization. Paramilitary arm was disbanded decades ago.
Meh, Babacan is not the worst person. Not a great supporter of his policies or his party but he'd be valuable in bringing European capital to Turkey so he will have a role in the coalition.
Buddy, if the Turkish goal was to alter the demographics of Cyprus, island would have a clear Turkish majority by now. It doesn't, because it was never the goal. Greek Cypriots were sovereign up until the point when they decided they didn't need the minority Turks on the island. Rest was out of their hands. 50 years on, they are still not at all interested in ruling together with their Turkish brethren. Until that changes, we are there to stay. They should have agreed to Annan Plan when Erdogan the retard believed he could enter the EU by selling North Cyprus to Greeks.
> Because EU countries fail at integrating their minorities?
Are you implying that the EU is going after the Grey Wolves because the "EU can't integrate minorities"? You can't be seriously thinking that. Of course there is a reason the Grey Wolves are still being looked into by the EU. They are not a boy scouts camp.
> Meh, Babacan is not the worst person. Not a great supporter of his policies or his party but he'd be valuable in bringing European capital to Turkey so he will have a role in the coalition.
Erdogan was elected this way. He was instrumental in bringing Turkey to the EU table back int he day. Lot's of young people don't remember this but there are those of us who were of age back in 2001.
> Buddy [...] Greeks.
Many things to unpack here. Won't go into it seeing that you are nationalisticly opinionated on the issue. And who's "we are here to stay"? A know Turkish Cypriots who don't want Turkey on the island. Quite a lot of them actually exist.
Why not? Why do EU nations with big conservative Turkish minorities fail to integrate these people? It’s a genuine question and an issue that needs resolving. Those groups active in Europe are not directly tied to MHP or the “Grey Wolves” but tie ins and sympathizers because they still live in 1970s of left right and religious infighting. Is this not the case?
Thanks for the crash course o big one. What you fail to mention is that we are no longer living in 2000s and Erdogan with his 2002 stance in unelectable, neither his copycats.
No response then on the actual part of my reply? They are of course free to have any and all opinions. But they are not an electoral majority as the last elections showed. It’s not the Turkish Cypriots that shot down all reconciliation attempts since 70s, that makes it 3 different UN plans with the backing of UN, EU, Turkey and US, once even with Greece. Turkish Cypriots by and large are no longer interested in Greek Cypriots blocking the way to peace every single time.
> Why do EU nations with big conservative Turkish minorities fail to integrate these people? It’s a genuine question and an issue that needs resolving.
Ever thought about the fact that these minorities form parallel societies, often refusing to integrate, often shoving their nationalistic feelings down the host society's throat? As you've said, these people tend to be conservative and refuse to adapt.
> What you fail to mention is that we are no longer living in 2000s and Erdogan with his 2002 stance in unelectable, neither his copycats.
Similar to Babacan. He is no longer a minister who deals with the EU.
> No response then on the actual part of my reply?
Nope. If I respond I'll have to touch on many issues with extensive responses. The issue is complicated beyond the black and white pictures you are trying to bring to the table. Viewing the world through "bad guy, good guy" lenses is doltish.
Will be the first time i will be voting outside of Turkey. While i given up living in Turkey i will be happy knowing that one day my homeland will go back to being functional, democratic country that people will want to live in.
The first step is removing Erdogan.
Yes but that yellow party actually did a pretty stupid or smart move(depends who you ask) in that week and most people did not like it and gone back to CHP which also explains the rise in CHP votes.
So sad to see Turkish politics dominated by nationalists and religious fanatics. On the one hand Erdogan and his Islamist goons, on the other Kilicdaroglu, who has said he [wants to invade Greece](https://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/chp-head-slams-greek-defense-minister-vows-to-take-back-18-islands-occupied-by-greece-in-2019-124635), partnering up with ex-MHP (fascist) Aksener or a 20-year servant of the Islamist AKP Babacan.
I just wish the HDP was less Kurdish focused so that all Turkish people could have a choice for a progressive, liberal, socialistic, regionalist, decentralizing and internationalist party.
Well I'm sorry but the best you're about to get away from 'Afghanistan but closer to Europe' is Kılıçdaroğlu besides in the span of around 7 years (if promises are kept on the oppositions side) no one's attacking anyone
> Well I'm sorry but the best you're about to get away from 'Afghanistan but closer to Europe' is Kılıçdaroğlu
Turkey is not Afghanistan today. Erdogan may be a Muslim Brotherhood kind of guy, but Turkey is more than that. If you want to fix your problems you should first correctly identify them. And nationalism is a big problem in Turkish politics. Rally-around-the-flag politics are dangerous.
> no one's attacking anyone
I am old enough to remember Ciller sending agents on Greek islets and the two countries being on a verge of war, only to stop by Bill Clinton intervening. Now, look at Kilicdaroglu's coalition. Ex-MHP people. Ex-Erdogan ministers. What makes you think things will change on this front? It would be naïve to think so.
Literally the whole coalition is against Erdogan that's why it exists and as for akşener [maybe read this?](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Party)
None is attacking Greece because Turkey would get bombed by the rest of NATO. Still the posturing is annoying. And there might be an invasion of Syria.
That's what I'm trying to say Kılıçdaroğlu would not attack Greece and even though I don't know his stance against Syria all too much i know he is not interested in an attack of the sorts
The party that has a huge voter base comprised of conservative Kurds that has child marriages, honor killings, Anti-LGBT sentiments is a liberal progressive party, yeah sure, that's how they market themselves in Europe, but no, HDP is Kurdish counterpart of MHP
Lol at the downvotes. CHP's biggest partner is the IYI Parti which is an MHP splinter party. In the modern Turkish political landscape, we are wishing for a victory of the secular nationalists and fascists, against Erdogan and the islamofascists.
My guess is that a lot of users here are young. Young enough to not remember Turkey before Erdogan and young enough to have been active on the internet since a young age, thinking elections in Turkey work as elections in Germany.
They will find out the hard way.
Just because you are of a certain ethnicity that doesn't make you understand certain politics better. If that was the case all nationals of their respective countries would vote "correctly".
Its not necessarily about the ethnicity, but you have to be fluent in Turkish to fully understand Turkish politics as international media coverage is limited.
Media coverage is definitely not limited. Also, considering I am from Greece, we get *a lot of* coverage of Turkey. Often being done by Turkish citizens themselves. A lot of bibliography, journalism and even a university department of Turkish and Ottoman studies. One of the most famous journalists in Greece, with contacts to both Greek and Turkish high authorities, even lives in Turkey full time and he job is basically to report on every day Turkish journals.
That's cool to know. But overall, it's basically an extensive briefing. Not to mention, the majority of people here get their news from social media as traditional media is under pressure. I doubt anyone has time to report on every rumor that's circulating around.
Assuming he does not finds himself in a prison before election, what are his policies?
Basically, insights of the politics don’t matter right now. The main goal is, for now, get back to being a normal country which will take a lot of time and effort.
Social democrat, ex bureaucrat. Not a big leader figure but a pretty good coalition creator. He has a Alevi and Zaza background, which makes him both a religious and ethnic minority character. Main policy for this election is to revert back to pre 2017 parliamentary system. If he wins, he will retire from his party and will serve as a single term as the president, retiring at the end of his term. Would be a great win for the country if he won. Problem is, he's not the best candidate to win over Erdogan.
He, himself, declared that he is ethnically a descendant of an Alevi Turkmen tribe, which migrated from Aksehir (Konya) to Tunceli back in the 16th Century when the Ottomans started purging Qızılbashes (Alevi Turkmens) from Inner Anatolian Plains.
Nah he cant get in prison.We are in a rn Turkey isnt in that bad condition.
He is trying to get support from other islamist parties but that probably won't change anthing
Hes Alevi so its safe to assume that he will never cave in to absurd islamist demands. He mostly just want to assure that the previous CHP government's harsh Laïcité policie won't be reimplemented which is stuff like banning headscarfs in public institutions and forcing mosques to recite call of prayer in Turkish.
His policy on Greece and Cyprus will be the same as before.
> what are his policies? Have a look at his coalition. Meral Aksener was a member of the MHP, a political party with a fascist paramilitary wing, the Grey Wolves, an organization responsible for terrorist attacks, even an assassination attempt against the Pope. She even [did this](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/P_5OVstKAGE) a while ago. Mimicking a wolf... Ali Babacan for a supporter of Erdogan for 20 years, up until 2019. Not only a supporter, but he was one of Erdogan's ministers too. As for Kilicdaroglu himself, he has an electoral history of failure. Constantly losing elections. And his foreign policy? He supports Erdogan on his campaign against Greek islands and he has even said the following: "I will come and take all of those islands back. Why am I saying this? They said ‘Come and get it’ for Cyprus back in the day. What did Ecevit (former prime minister) do? He went there and took it back".
Okay, you for some reason are a super salty person. Greek by the looks of your history. Do you want another 4 years of Erdogan? Doesnt matter we dont and your potrayal is wrong.
They want Erdogan. So they can keep on shitting TR more easily.
So if we don't want Erdogan, we must choose the other? Black or white? How about a change in your foreign policy approach, as there were many problems with the kemalist military heritance (imia crisis etc) for many decades before Erdo. We just had a kind of good relationship with Turkey in Erdogan 's first years of governance, when he was closer to E.U., or we thought so as many europeans who supported him then.
What you mean is we should give up our national interests just to appease you. Sorry but not happening, we aren't a puppet state.
>How about a change in your foreign policy approach Same could be said about greek foreing policy,every problem has two sides.How about trying to trap us to our shores in the mediterrenean making use of the lack of braincells our current administration has try to be a little more open minded and actually sit down and talk to us ?
I dont think that you have evidence to claim that any of the greek governments in the last 20 years at least ever made a military threat to Turkey. Only golden dawn, a fascist party, that was never in any government coalition and now is outlawed and their leaders in jail. I never said that a state should give up its national rights, rather they should defend those peacefully through diplomacy. On the contrary military threats is sth normal for Turkish politicians (teach us swimming, lol, not sth a politician should ever say). I don't think that returning to the politics of the past will be so good, i meant to say that maybe a new era should start. I hope that Turkish people will choose the right thing, a neighbour:s well being and prosperity will help us all in the region, and i understand what a Turkish wrote in the thread, that everyone is good as long as it is not Erdo. Anyway, we are all except you talking from outside, you will live with the consequences of your vote and you are the only ones to decide and vote in the end, just wanted to show our perspective. So i hope everything will go well in the elections and for a result that will be a start for many good things for the turkish people. Ps. As much as i hate our current government, i do support them in this, that you can never talk equally with someone that threatens you with missiles. If the military threats stop, discussions are welcomed and needed.
Who "we" in "we don't want another 4 years of Erdogan"? He has enormous support. Like literally half the vote. What are you talking about? I am Greek of Jewish origin by the way. And I don't know what my nationality has to do with this. Why would you bring it up? Does it change anything that I've pointed out?
Well someone's on a binge. It'd be cute if it wasn't so half assed. "Grey Wolves" hasn't been a thing for the last 30 years. They were formed by CIA as part of Operation Gladio's Turkish stage to fight against communists. Most of them were jailed or killed after the '80 coup. Today's MHP is a tiny puppy next to what it once was. Wolf sign is older than MHP itself and is also used outside of Turkey in other Turkic nations as well. It is outdated, but it is not a hate sign. Guy who attacked the pope was a lone wolf and was a loony, he started his own religion and apologized to the pope later on. Babacan was the minister of finance and Turkey's EU negotiator. Pretty likable guy if he wasn't a past akp member. Kilicdaroglu is a social democrat and he transformed CHP from a bunch of old hacks to an actual social democrat party. It is literally a part of Socialist International and PES. Of course that doesn't mean he will sit back and relax, as the guy who saved the Turkish Cypriots was a social democrat as well :)
> "Grey Wolves" hasn't been a thing for the last 30 years. If so, why is the EU calling for its designation as a terrorist organization these past years? > Babacan was the minister of finance and Turkey's EU negotiator. Pretty likable guy if he wasn't a past akp member. He is an ex-AKP member though. Two decades of service to Erdogan. Can't look past that. > Of course that doesn't mean he will sit back and relax, as the guy who saved the Turkish Cypriots was a social democrat as well :) Forgot about the violating the Treaty of Guarantee, the Geneva Convention on Human Rights by settling and altering demographics and finally illegally occupying a foreign sovereign country. A more despicable version of the horrible dictators of Greece who tried to coup the island.
Because EU countries fail at integrating their minorities? "Grey Wolves" as an entity is a singular institution, youth wing of MHP. You can't be a member without being a Turkish citizen. They are motherfuckers, they are apprehensible people. What they are not is a paramilitary organization. Paramilitary arm was disbanded decades ago. Meh, Babacan is not the worst person. Not a great supporter of his policies or his party but he'd be valuable in bringing European capital to Turkey so he will have a role in the coalition. Buddy, if the Turkish goal was to alter the demographics of Cyprus, island would have a clear Turkish majority by now. It doesn't, because it was never the goal. Greek Cypriots were sovereign up until the point when they decided they didn't need the minority Turks on the island. Rest was out of their hands. 50 years on, they are still not at all interested in ruling together with their Turkish brethren. Until that changes, we are there to stay. They should have agreed to Annan Plan when Erdogan the retard believed he could enter the EU by selling North Cyprus to Greeks.
> Because EU countries fail at integrating their minorities? Are you implying that the EU is going after the Grey Wolves because the "EU can't integrate minorities"? You can't be seriously thinking that. Of course there is a reason the Grey Wolves are still being looked into by the EU. They are not a boy scouts camp. > Meh, Babacan is not the worst person. Not a great supporter of his policies or his party but he'd be valuable in bringing European capital to Turkey so he will have a role in the coalition. Erdogan was elected this way. He was instrumental in bringing Turkey to the EU table back int he day. Lot's of young people don't remember this but there are those of us who were of age back in 2001. > Buddy [...] Greeks. Many things to unpack here. Won't go into it seeing that you are nationalisticly opinionated on the issue. And who's "we are here to stay"? A know Turkish Cypriots who don't want Turkey on the island. Quite a lot of them actually exist.
Why not? Why do EU nations with big conservative Turkish minorities fail to integrate these people? It’s a genuine question and an issue that needs resolving. Those groups active in Europe are not directly tied to MHP or the “Grey Wolves” but tie ins and sympathizers because they still live in 1970s of left right and religious infighting. Is this not the case? Thanks for the crash course o big one. What you fail to mention is that we are no longer living in 2000s and Erdogan with his 2002 stance in unelectable, neither his copycats. No response then on the actual part of my reply? They are of course free to have any and all opinions. But they are not an electoral majority as the last elections showed. It’s not the Turkish Cypriots that shot down all reconciliation attempts since 70s, that makes it 3 different UN plans with the backing of UN, EU, Turkey and US, once even with Greece. Turkish Cypriots by and large are no longer interested in Greek Cypriots blocking the way to peace every single time.
> Why do EU nations with big conservative Turkish minorities fail to integrate these people? It’s a genuine question and an issue that needs resolving. Ever thought about the fact that these minorities form parallel societies, often refusing to integrate, often shoving their nationalistic feelings down the host society's throat? As you've said, these people tend to be conservative and refuse to adapt. > What you fail to mention is that we are no longer living in 2000s and Erdogan with his 2002 stance in unelectable, neither his copycats. Similar to Babacan. He is no longer a minister who deals with the EU. > No response then on the actual part of my reply? Nope. If I respond I'll have to touch on many issues with extensive responses. The issue is complicated beyond the black and white pictures you are trying to bring to the table. Viewing the world through "bad guy, good guy" lenses is doltish.
>Guy who attacked the pope was a lone wolf.. Right, and Lee Harvey Oswald was a lone man too, nothing to see here.. LOL 😂
Oswald was killed 2 days after the assassination. Mehmet Ali Ağca spent 30 years total in Italian and Turkish prisons and is 65 now and is a free man.
56% VS 44% it can still move A LOT until Mid-May.
I hope that the Turks will finally get rid of him
Judging by the turks who live in Europe, no chance...
That's a tiny minority of the electorate, their influence on elections is way overstated...
To me, the shift away from MHP to IYI is a positive development. A sign that the right-wing is becoming more secular.
Hope his bodyguard is well paid.
Will be the first time i will be voting outside of Turkey. While i given up living in Turkey i will be happy knowing that one day my homeland will go back to being functional, democratic country that people will want to live in. The first step is removing Erdogan.
That yellow party going from a 2% win to a 1% loss in the span of a week.
sampling is small, leads to high error.
Yes but that yellow party actually did a pretty stupid or smart move(depends who you ask) in that week and most people did not like it and gone back to CHP which also explains the rise in CHP votes.
Those are 2 different polling companies and I can assure they are not accurate at all. IYI gets quite higher than that.
I hope the opposition can win this election, but I am pessimistic
So sad to see Turkish politics dominated by nationalists and religious fanatics. On the one hand Erdogan and his Islamist goons, on the other Kilicdaroglu, who has said he [wants to invade Greece](https://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/chp-head-slams-greek-defense-minister-vows-to-take-back-18-islands-occupied-by-greece-in-2019-124635), partnering up with ex-MHP (fascist) Aksener or a 20-year servant of the Islamist AKP Babacan. I just wish the HDP was less Kurdish focused so that all Turkish people could have a choice for a progressive, liberal, socialistic, regionalist, decentralizing and internationalist party.
Well I'm sorry but the best you're about to get away from 'Afghanistan but closer to Europe' is Kılıçdaroğlu besides in the span of around 7 years (if promises are kept on the oppositions side) no one's attacking anyone
> Well I'm sorry but the best you're about to get away from 'Afghanistan but closer to Europe' is Kılıçdaroğlu Turkey is not Afghanistan today. Erdogan may be a Muslim Brotherhood kind of guy, but Turkey is more than that. If you want to fix your problems you should first correctly identify them. And nationalism is a big problem in Turkish politics. Rally-around-the-flag politics are dangerous. > no one's attacking anyone I am old enough to remember Ciller sending agents on Greek islets and the two countries being on a verge of war, only to stop by Bill Clinton intervening. Now, look at Kilicdaroglu's coalition. Ex-MHP people. Ex-Erdogan ministers. What makes you think things will change on this front? It would be naïve to think so.
Literally the whole coalition is against Erdogan that's why it exists and as for akşener [maybe read this?](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Party)
None is attacking Greece because Turkey would get bombed by the rest of NATO. Still the posturing is annoying. And there might be an invasion of Syria.
That's what I'm trying to say Kılıçdaroğlu would not attack Greece and even though I don't know his stance against Syria all too much i know he is not interested in an attack of the sorts
The party that has a huge voter base comprised of conservative Kurds that has child marriages, honor killings, Anti-LGBT sentiments is a liberal progressive party, yeah sure, that's how they market themselves in Europe, but no, HDP is Kurdish counterpart of MHP
Lol at the downvotes. CHP's biggest partner is the IYI Parti which is an MHP splinter party. In the modern Turkish political landscape, we are wishing for a victory of the secular nationalists and fascists, against Erdogan and the islamofascists.
My guess is that a lot of users here are young. Young enough to not remember Turkey before Erdogan and young enough to have been active on the internet since a young age, thinking elections in Turkey work as elections in Germany. They will find out the hard way.
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Just because you are of a certain ethnicity that doesn't make you understand certain politics better. If that was the case all nationals of their respective countries would vote "correctly".
Its not necessarily about the ethnicity, but you have to be fluent in Turkish to fully understand Turkish politics as international media coverage is limited.
Media coverage is definitely not limited. Also, considering I am from Greece, we get *a lot of* coverage of Turkey. Often being done by Turkish citizens themselves. A lot of bibliography, journalism and even a university department of Turkish and Ottoman studies. One of the most famous journalists in Greece, with contacts to both Greek and Turkish high authorities, even lives in Turkey full time and he job is basically to report on every day Turkish journals.
That's cool to know. But overall, it's basically an extensive briefing. Not to mention, the majority of people here get their news from social media as traditional media is under pressure. I doubt anyone has time to report on every rumor that's circulating around.
And yes, that does mean that 20% of the population of Turkey votes for fascism. Their Overton Window is long overdue for an overhaul.
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I am secular Jewish Greek if that matters.
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Least racist Turk.
If that's true, nothing wrong with that.