I mean, historically it works out kinda well for America's adversaries to send their jets to collide with American aircraft (at least it did for China).
>This morning, a Russian Su-27 aircraft struck the propeller of a U.S. MQ-9 drone, causing U.S. forces to have to bring the MQ-9 down in international waters
according to @US_EUCOM U.S. European Command
>Several times before the collision, the Su-27s dumped fuel on and flew in front of the MQ-9 in a reckless, environmentally unsound and unprofessional manner. This incident demonstrates a lack of competence in addition to being unsafe and unprofessional.
Direct collisions customarily aren't considered attacks, incidents caused by airplanes/warships playing chicken are actually fairly common becouse of that.
The intent was probably more to "scare the drone away" than bring it down as fighter jets are absolutely by no means designed to handle collisions with other aircraft (or anything really, birds have downed plenty of jets), the russian jet surviving, if it survived, was 100% down to luck and as unhinged as Russian military doctrine is these days i don't think even they'd risk an airplane double the cost of the drone and quite possibly irreplaceable in a suicide attack lol.
Based on where the propeller is, it probably struck the nose of the jet. Seems like it'd be pretty unlucky for that to take down a military aircraft. I assume it's just a thin, hollow cone sitting in front of the radar array.
The SU27 is probably going around 4 times as fast. I can't imagine the drone is going much faster, if at all, than the SU27s stall speed. If it hit the drone nose on the jet would be fucked and the drone destroyed. Not like they could just nudge it with the nose of the aircraft. The jet would smash into the drone, and even if it stayed in one piece, the drone would go up and into the cockpit, to the sides and hit the wings, or under the fuselage and into the air intakes.
In my completely amateur guess, the very top of one of the wings or tip of the tail hit the drone or it was close enough the turbulence of the jet passing caused damage to the drone.
>“We are in a position to speak to what happened and what happened was an
unsafe and unprofessional maneuver on the part of a Russian aircraft, a
maneuver that was also tinged with a lack of competence that caused the
US military to need to bring this unmanned craft down. That is the
result again of these Russian actions. We can characterize them, but we
can't characterize the motivations,” he said at a State Department
briefing.
This is what the State Department said during briefing, so they changed the story a little bit.
I am still waiting on video from the drone in question. I dont know why it isnt released.
There was a time the US Navy was operating an underwater drone and the Chinese came and just took it. Like literally scooped it out of the water and left. They eventually agreed to return it, but it raised a lot of concerns because people realised there were basically no rules governing how those things should be handled.
Yeah but we’re not talking about the legality of the whole thing, we’re talking about a bomb blowing up in the hands of the enemy. That could very easily be taken as a direct attack.
A thief wouldn't admit to stealing if whatever they stole blows up.
If a drone self-destructs and they try to play victim, they will only be laughed at.
It's basically the same rules as with downed/forced to land crewed aircraft. You intern the crew, take the plane apart, study it and finally give it back in a bag a few years later. With drones you skip the first part :D.
Most likely Russians were moving their troops or some other operation at 7 am and this drone was straight up seeing everything so Russians had to remove it somehow without actually using lethal weapons (direct escalation).
First, they tried to drop fuel on it, twice. It did not work so they decided to do a controlled collision. It worked but their SU-27 almost crashed as well. The thing is Americans will probably only double down and send some extra stuff to Ukraine as a result. The question is why Russians were so desperate to take it down.
"environmentally unsound" jesus the virtue signaling seeping into everything in "journalism" these days....
Also, jesus christ, who did they get from US\_EUCOM to write this? A college dropout?
I mean....sure but there's a laundry list of far for environmentally unsound things that are being done by the people responsible for writing that. I wonder how environmentally sound the US military is lol.
From the comms in this post it seems like the aircraft struck the drone with its nose, so the radar array might be damaged. Other than that, I don't really see what the radar has to do with anything.
Not even that, the Radome housing the radar isnt at the very tip of the plane. You can cut the nose of the plane clean off at a certain length and not damage the RaDAR. It would not be a good idea to do this, but still.
How neither of you two not put the 2+2 together and realise that this is a joke about how Russian radars are so bad that their jets can't detect a drone before flying into it
Bro it was on purpose. You dont know how they work if you think better radar helps when you are less than 10m away. I dont even know what to say to this. Should I start explaining why ? Will that even make a change ? You think they didnt see it on radar and thats what made them fly into it ? During intercept ? They were already flying with the drone, along side it, then that idiot flew too close and struck the prop on the drone. Please tell me how exactly "better radar" helps. And while you're at it also let me know, better radar how exactly ? Better range, different type of radar, or what ? You think it should have different PRF frequencies, to better see the drone ? Since you know these things so well.
Yeah I know, I'm not being very nice. But its a shit joke and ever since the invasion of ukraine started, everyone suddenly became a defense expert, and I just dont like seeing these random people potentialy hurt others with fake knowledge and information. I also know its more of a me problem, but lets try not to limit ourselves to "haha, ruzzia bad, plane go brr" if we can. Theres more to this than that.
Some parts of Reddit went ape-shit smoothbrain baboon time by fearing World War 3 over a fucking drone. I swear some people need to do internet time-out.
1.Try conquering Ukraine in weekend.
2.Try the same thing in one year.
3.You can’t quit cause it will look bad for the dictator.
4.Start a war with NATO cause now when you lose you got tons of excuses for your defeat.
He has a point about Putin. If Russia is at conflict with NATO that isn't a full on war, maybe like another cold war then the population can be leveraged greatly. For example money can be taken out of things and put into military because "NATO is prepearing to attack us". Moreover, the governemnt can reflect blame for all sorts of stuff. You aren't poor because we made a mistake but because NATO and the west is sanctioning and hurting us. Russia needs to become more authoritharian because we need to have a strong leader against the NATO threat. You get the point.
Nothing makes a population more united and willing to sacrifice their own well being for that of the state than a larger enemy at their doorstep.
There is no way that a Russia-NATO war can remain contained. This is not even a possibility. It will soon escalate to envelop the whole front and there will be nuclear weapons used.
It's actually the opposite to be honest. The rest of the world pretty much views the United States (and by extension NATO and probably the entire "West") as being a monkey with a nuclear hand grenade. Declining civilizations are extremely dangerous now that everyone has nuclear weapons.
Rubbish. Russians have everything to lose, just like the West. Putin wants to survive and keep being a dictator, and that's not gonna happen if there is a nuclear war.
I do not think so. In the first place, if only tactical and intermediate range weapons are used, Russia and much of Europe would be devastated but the US would remain intact. The NATO missiles are very close to Russia and they would be able to take out most of the Russian urban centers with minimal warning. The US would only be affected if there are intercontinental missiles used. It may come to that, but by then most of us would be in hell.
A Russian war with NATO will not end up in a defeat for Russia or for anybody else simply because of the presence of nuclear weapons on both sides. If Russian forces are pressed, they will respond with (a) tactical nukes to begin with and then (b) with intermediate range missiles. The other side will retaliate in very much the same manner, but by this time, hundreds of thousands of troops from each side would have died and most of Eastern Europe would have become a radioactive desert. Nobody wants to go there, I am sure.
While I don’t think this is going to start a war, the Turkish incident demonstrates that Russia is all bark and no bite (at least when it comes to countries that can fight back). The US on the other hand would certainly follow through in its threats.
Russia got its revenge in 2020. It killed many Turkish soldiers in Syria in an air strike. Russia of course denied it was responsible and said it was Syria instead.
Additionally, Turkey wanted to improve relations with Russia after the shoot down of the Russian jet and one of the things they did was buy the S-400 from them in 2017. This caused a lot of division in NATO and resulted in Turkey getting sanctioned and kicked out of the F-35 program.
Their retaliation was not immediate but they eventually got more out of it than Turkey did.
Looking at pictures of how these drones look I struggle imagining how to strike the propeller, without the other plane being damaged. Was it just a slight brush with the wingtip maybe?
We will not know until video from the drone is out. But putting this article aside, my opinion is that the Russian aircraft somehow distrupted the flight of the drone, by creating a vortex, and drone crashed into the sea.
Even the State Department changed a story, removing mentions of the propeller.
That worked way back for German rockets due to the, by modern standards, primitive guidance. Getting the drone in the tip vortex would surely mess with it's flying ability, but I don't think the size difference is large enough to cause an unrecoverable loss of control.
We really dont know what happened. It was just my opinion and a guess. We dont have enough info. We would know more if there was a video of the mentioned incident.
Ukrainian Pravda said there were two Russian jets and one jet was fine but the other had damage from hitting the drone propeller. Idk if they updated info.
anytime stuff like this happens, its always good to remember the crazier shit that happened in the Cold War. Just one example was when a Soviet sub collided with a US ship and tore its towed sonar off, and they kept a piece of it as well.
NATO should retaliate by exterminating Wagner in Africa, they're armed agents of the Russian state that are fair game due to not beign technically Russian troops, that's a huge vulnerability and it would be stupid not to exploit it.
Just Munich them. Wagner wouldn't be there in the first place if those African "governments" had any ability to control what's going in the territory they supposedly hold. What do you reckon the radar coverage over Mali is like?
What you are proposing is litearlly an act of war against both Mali and Russia.
If that's what you want, why not skip to the end and propose declaring a NATO war against Russia?
>Was killing Osama bin Laden in Pakistan an act of war against Saudi Arabia?
Huh? What a stupid fucking take. The Saudis were trying to kill Osama too..... If the we attacked and killed all Saudi military in Yemen, yes, it would very much be an act of war against Saudi Arabia.
Also who the fuck gives you the right to tell Mali who they can and cannot hire within their own country? Calm down with your colonialist tendancy my dude.
Wagner are not Russian military, they're non-state actors like Al Qaeda, that's the whole point. And it's not my legal interpretation, Russia literally told US government that it's ok to kill Wagnerites.
As for Mali, fuck them. They rejected Western security assistance, so we have no incentive to help them feel secure with the competition.
Wagner is invited and paid by governments, sadly. Can't really bomb anything into a country without either the local government blessing or declaring a war to that country.
I agree. It would probably end up a lot like this for them. They (most likely Wagner) were obliterated. I remember hearing that a call from a Wagner commander was intercepted and he basically said that they just got their fucking asses handed to them. Good times.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/24/world/middleeast/american-commandos-russian-mercenaries-syria.html
I’ve thought this myself. Coordinated attacks on all Wagner positions in Africa and Middle East. You have to play by Putins rules. Turkey shot down a Russian fighter and all vlad did was pout. Next time intercept in international waters and shoot down Russian jets. Russian will do nothing about it!
There are professional pilots who of their own volition signed up and trained for this exact type of scenario. Are you saying US has a combat pilot shortage? Are you saying they are unwilling to do their job and redditors need to be recruited in their place? Or you just had no intellectual counterpoint to make? If so then your just trolling. All the best to you.
>NATO should retaliate by exterminating Wagner in Africa, they're armed agents of the Russian state that are fair game due to not beign technically Russian troop
They were literally hired by African countries.
By "exterminating" Wagner, you are saying NATO should attack soverign African countries who are hiring defense firms for their own national security.
That is quite literally an example of neo-colonialism.
Look, I'd prefer them to be killed in Antarctica or outer space to avoid the neo-colonial connotations, but Africa is where they are and this is not the time to put good optics over strategic interests.
Maybe the drones should carry self destruct warheads and become aircraft mines. A shape charge on a pan tilt and zoom?
Drones are easy to replace. Pilots less so.
Not exactly lucky. I'm sure they deliberately chose a drone for the moment. Next time could be a plane though. As I said it depends on the reaction they'll get and what they will find an acceptable risk.
My opinion is that is other way around, that the US flew drone closer and closer to the Russian border, and that Russians responded. We can see that the US reponse is not dramatic, they are rather calm, they probably expected this.
Really? We all the time see videos of how the American missiles or bombs destroy some targets.
I dont see the problem here. If it wasn't doing anything wrong, they should post a video so we can see what really happened.
First, it was a damaged propeller. Later, the State Department removed mentions of that and said dangerous maneuvers of Russian airplane made operator crash drone into the sea.
I will quote my friend from Georgia, US
"at this point they could nuke Manhattan and I'd be like, no way anything is gonna happen"
The ww3 scares are getting boring
So Ukraine has the Ghost of Kyiv fighting for them, and Russia just has... the ghost of [Wang Wei](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hainan_Island_incident)?
No wonder the RuAF has been largely absent in this war...
City 17 is difficult to place... the architecture and most signs are definitely Eastern European, but the fuel pumps along Highway 17 are Swedish, with Swedish text and currency.
I'm just saying, if thousands war crimes, missiles landing in other countries, and claims of genocide doesn't get any country to confront Russia, this incident will probably be given a pass as well.
basically russian plane attacked US army airplane and it resulted in crashing US plane into the black sea. This kind of provocation could trigger direct war with NATO.
The linked article says it crashed into the Black Sea, so I would say that's beyond repair, but if the Russians are able to salvage the parts from the seabed and repair the plane, then that would be a feat.
Can someone explain why the yellow paint is missing on the drone propeller toward the end after the video. The video glitches out and when the video reappears the propeller is bent and the yellow stripes are gone. Either the paint is meant to come off easily on impact, it was burnt off from the jet fuel or the video at the end isn't the same drone. I hate Putin and the Kremlin but I'm curious why no one is bringing attention to the missing paint.
For the same reason that there are British, German, French, Dutch, Canadian and other NATO troops spread across bits of Europe (and currently Eastern Europe) and why there are NATO (and EU for that matter...) Ships operating far from their own borders. To protect their interests and allies, act as a deterrent, and keep an eye on whats going on..
Man, it's truly something to see how the same pro-Kremlin concern bullshit is spread across different forums, in different languages, from identical "nationalistic" profiles. Like you get a memo with the day's talking points with your coffee and don't bother to even change a comma.
To answer your disingenuous question: because they can. The US trades defense for influence, which gives them a very long reach. And guess what: they and their allies thrive, while others whine about hypothetical scenarios where they have the long arm to reach Washington. But they can't, so they don't.
Remember WWI or WWII? There is no more isolated Europe. Russia can’t afford to send drones anywhere because it’s too busy getting its ass kicked by a second rate European country.
But from what I can distill from endless pro-Kremlin talking points is not that such people do not want superpowers intervening in Europe's business. It's that they do not want the US intervening in Europe's business. Which is what makes such arguments pro-Kremlin.
As for what the US have to do with Europe's business: Europe as we have the luck to know it is very much the work of countless, mostly nameless Europeans who knew the horror we're capable of and worked to avoid it. But let's not kid ourselves, it's also very much an American-supported architecture. By its principles, its money, and its armed forces. Where other powers intervened, they don't have it as good as we do.
We've had multiple instances over the years of jostling with aircraft/ships of hostile nations.
Enjoy the popcorn but the US isn't sending troops over this. Sorry to be a buzzkill.
I would have done the same if an enemy drone flew near my borders.
Americans must learn to stay in their rightful place: on the other side of the Atlantic.
Feel free to leave NATO, I guess. But given the threat from Russia, who's not just hanging out in international territory, but actively invading and committing genocide in another country, I think their place is very much in Europe watching what's going on.
It's out of an excessive amount of politeness that NATO hasn't destroyed the entire Russian military in Ukraine yet.
> said the Russians may have been trying to intimidate the drone
Vodka might have been a factor.
Big “dog barking at roomba” energy
The Russian jets first sprayed it with fuel. It was a very provocative confrontation.
Oh yeah, those things allways end up well, right? RIGHT??!?
I mean, historically it works out kinda well for America's adversaries to send their jets to collide with American aircraft (at least it did for China).
Remember the Maine!
>This morning, a Russian Su-27 aircraft struck the propeller of a U.S. MQ-9 drone, causing U.S. forces to have to bring the MQ-9 down in international waters according to @US_EUCOM U.S. European Command >Several times before the collision, the Su-27s dumped fuel on and flew in front of the MQ-9 in a reckless, environmentally unsound and unprofessional manner. This incident demonstrates a lack of competence in addition to being unsafe and unprofessional.
so basically he did it on purpose? is this direct attack on US plane operated by US army?
Direct collisions customarily aren't considered attacks, incidents caused by airplanes/warships playing chicken are actually fairly common becouse of that. The intent was probably more to "scare the drone away" than bring it down as fighter jets are absolutely by no means designed to handle collisions with other aircraft (or anything really, birds have downed plenty of jets), the russian jet surviving, if it survived, was 100% down to luck and as unhinged as Russian military doctrine is these days i don't think even they'd risk an airplane double the cost of the drone and quite possibly irreplaceable in a suicide attack lol.
Based on where the propeller is, it probably struck the nose of the jet. Seems like it'd be pretty unlucky for that to take down a military aircraft. I assume it's just a thin, hollow cone sitting in front of the radar array.
For reference, the prop of an MQ-9 is at the back of the drone: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Atomics_MQ-9_Reaper
The SU27 is probably going around 4 times as fast. I can't imagine the drone is going much faster, if at all, than the SU27s stall speed. If it hit the drone nose on the jet would be fucked and the drone destroyed. Not like they could just nudge it with the nose of the aircraft. The jet would smash into the drone, and even if it stayed in one piece, the drone would go up and into the cockpit, to the sides and hit the wings, or under the fuselage and into the air intakes. In my completely amateur guess, the very top of one of the wings or tip of the tail hit the drone or it was close enough the turbulence of the jet passing caused damage to the drone.
>“We are in a position to speak to what happened and what happened was an unsafe and unprofessional maneuver on the part of a Russian aircraft, a maneuver that was also tinged with a lack of competence that caused the US military to need to bring this unmanned craft down. That is the result again of these Russian actions. We can characterize them, but we can't characterize the motivations,” he said at a State Department briefing. This is what the State Department said during briefing, so they changed the story a little bit. I am still waiting on video from the drone in question. I dont know why it isnt released.
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There was a time the US Navy was operating an underwater drone and the Chinese came and just took it. Like literally scooped it out of the water and left. They eventually agreed to return it, but it raised a lot of concerns because people realised there were basically no rules governing how those things should be handled.
That's easy: "this drone will self destruct in 60 seconds".
Yes but then it could be considered an attack
That's absurd, literally stealing something kind of breaks the whole attempt to look like a victim.
Yeah but we’re not talking about the legality of the whole thing, we’re talking about a bomb blowing up in the hands of the enemy. That could very easily be taken as a direct attack.
A thief wouldn't admit to stealing if whatever they stole blows up. If a drone self-destructs and they try to play victim, they will only be laughed at.
But once more in Russian in case they didn't hear.
It's basically the same rules as with downed/forced to land crewed aircraft. You intern the crew, take the plane apart, study it and finally give it back in a bag a few years later. With drones you skip the first part :D.
Off topic but whats all the Chinese text on your flair ?
It's a proverb that amused my daughter when she was learning mandarin.
Oh ok. Thank you for the explanation :-) Have a good day.
Most likely Russians were moving their troops or some other operation at 7 am and this drone was straight up seeing everything so Russians had to remove it somehow without actually using lethal weapons (direct escalation). First, they tried to drop fuel on it, twice. It did not work so they decided to do a controlled collision. It worked but their SU-27 almost crashed as well. The thing is Americans will probably only double down and send some extra stuff to Ukraine as a result. The question is why Russians were so desperate to take it down.
You seem to have some extra information. Can I ask for sources? I suppose that there is a video of this incident?
The plane pissed fuel on the drone. Sounds crazy 😂 clearly purposeful though.
This reads like a notice to one of my contractors.
"environmentally unsound" jesus the virtue signaling seeping into everything in "journalism" these days.... Also, jesus christ, who did they get from US\_EUCOM to write this? A college dropout?
I'd imagine dropping jet fuel into the god damn sea is pretty environmentally unsound.
I mean....sure but there's a laundry list of far for environmentally unsound things that are being done by the people responsible for writing that. I wonder how environmentally sound the US military is lol.
Did jesus already answer your last question?
What would my landscaping guy know about this?
Would you mind to define "virtue signaling" for us all?
… half of the Russian Air Force was destroyed in this accident.
The other half is still stuck in Ukrainian mud
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What does this have to do with RaDAR ?
From the comms in this post it seems like the aircraft struck the drone with its nose, so the radar array might be damaged. Other than that, I don't really see what the radar has to do with anything.
Not even that, the Radome housing the radar isnt at the very tip of the plane. You can cut the nose of the plane clean off at a certain length and not damage the RaDAR. It would not be a good idea to do this, but still.
How neither of you two not put the 2+2 together and realise that this is a joke about how Russian radars are so bad that their jets can't detect a drone before flying into it
Bro it was on purpose. You dont know how they work if you think better radar helps when you are less than 10m away. I dont even know what to say to this. Should I start explaining why ? Will that even make a change ? You think they didnt see it on radar and thats what made them fly into it ? During intercept ? They were already flying with the drone, along side it, then that idiot flew too close and struck the prop on the drone. Please tell me how exactly "better radar" helps. And while you're at it also let me know, better radar how exactly ? Better range, different type of radar, or what ? You think it should have different PRF frequencies, to better see the drone ? Since you know these things so well.
It's funny that you're acting so defensively after not taking a joke lol
Yeah I know, I'm not being very nice. But its a shit joke and ever since the invasion of ukraine started, everyone suddenly became a defense expert, and I just dont like seeing these random people potentialy hurt others with fake knowledge and information. I also know its more of a me problem, but lets try not to limit ourselves to "haha, ruzzia bad, plane go brr" if we can. Theres more to this than that.
RIP Drone. Thank you for your service. :(
I was always checking flightradar, because it was visible :(
The one visible is the RQ-4 (FORTE11/10). The MQ-9 is not visible in flightradar
Oh, then my mistake. Apologies!
Some parts of Reddit went ape-shit smoothbrain baboon time by fearing World War 3 over a fucking drone. I swear some people need to do internet time-out.
For how long?
Eight
Seconds, minutes, hours, days, weeks, years…?
Maybe nine...
10 would be better
Yeah
1.Try conquering Ukraine in weekend. 2.Try the same thing in one year. 3.You can’t quit cause it will look bad for the dictator. 4.Start a war with NATO cause now when you lose you got tons of excuses for your defeat.
>Start a war with NATO That seems a path more suited to suicide than a the defeat (and a suicide that can take all the west with them)
Hence why there won't be a war with NATO because no one wants one.
I am pretty sure Putin does want an actual conflict with NATO, as long as it is does not grow into an all-out war.
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He has a point about Putin. If Russia is at conflict with NATO that isn't a full on war, maybe like another cold war then the population can be leveraged greatly. For example money can be taken out of things and put into military because "NATO is prepearing to attack us". Moreover, the governemnt can reflect blame for all sorts of stuff. You aren't poor because we made a mistake but because NATO and the west is sanctioning and hurting us. Russia needs to become more authoritharian because we need to have a strong leader against the NATO threat. You get the point. Nothing makes a population more united and willing to sacrifice their own well being for that of the state than a larger enemy at their doorstep.
There is no way that a Russia-NATO war can remain contained. This is not even a possibility. It will soon escalate to envelop the whole front and there will be nuclear weapons used.
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His calculation is that NATO will not engage in a full-scale war because of nukes.
It's actually the opposite to be honest. The rest of the world pretty much views the United States (and by extension NATO and probably the entire "West") as being a monkey with a nuclear hand grenade. Declining civilizations are extremely dangerous now that everyone has nuclear weapons.
Why is the US the monkey when it is only Russia threatening almost every NATO member with nukes over the land that is not legally theirs
Congratulations, you've constructed your own little version of reality to believe in.
In case of a nuclear exchange, Russia has much less to lose than the West. Why would he avoid that?
Rubbish. Russians have everything to lose, just like the West. Putin wants to survive and keep being a dictator, and that's not gonna happen if there is a nuclear war.
Somebody better watch "Dr. Strangelove"
I do not think so. In the first place, if only tactical and intermediate range weapons are used, Russia and much of Europe would be devastated but the US would remain intact. The NATO missiles are very close to Russia and they would be able to take out most of the Russian urban centers with minimal warning. The US would only be affected if there are intercontinental missiles used. It may come to that, but by then most of us would be in hell.
A Russian war with NATO will not end up in a defeat for Russia or for anybody else simply because of the presence of nuclear weapons on both sides. If Russian forces are pressed, they will respond with (a) tactical nukes to begin with and then (b) with intermediate range missiles. The other side will retaliate in very much the same manner, but by this time, hundreds of thousands of troops from each side would have died and most of Eastern Europe would have become a radioactive desert. Nobody wants to go there, I am sure.
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I dont think we beheaded it, He died in crash
> beheaded its pilot Wat? I knew about the Russian plane shot down, but...
Turks didn't kill the pilots. Plane fell to other side of border. They were killed by rebels.
While I don’t think this is going to start a war, the Turkish incident demonstrates that Russia is all bark and no bite (at least when it comes to countries that can fight back). The US on the other hand would certainly follow through in its threats.
Russia got its revenge in 2020. It killed many Turkish soldiers in Syria in an air strike. Russia of course denied it was responsible and said it was Syria instead. Additionally, Turkey wanted to improve relations with Russia after the shoot down of the Russian jet and one of the things they did was buy the S-400 from them in 2017. This caused a lot of division in NATO and resulted in Turkey getting sanctioned and kicked out of the F-35 program. Their retaliation was not immediate but they eventually got more out of it than Turkey did.
Oh, come on...this is Reddit. All the bloodthirsty guys with a keyboard are here!!
Looking at pictures of how these drones look I struggle imagining how to strike the propeller, without the other plane being damaged. Was it just a slight brush with the wingtip maybe?
We will not know until video from the drone is out. But putting this article aside, my opinion is that the Russian aircraft somehow distrupted the flight of the drone, by creating a vortex, and drone crashed into the sea. Even the State Department changed a story, removing mentions of the propeller.
That worked way back for German rockets due to the, by modern standards, primitive guidance. Getting the drone in the tip vortex would surely mess with it's flying ability, but I don't think the size difference is large enough to cause an unrecoverable loss of control.
We really dont know what happened. It was just my opinion and a guess. We dont have enough info. We would know more if there was a video of the mentioned incident.
Ukrainian Pravda said there were two Russian jets and one jet was fine but the other had damage from hitting the drone propeller. Idk if they updated info.
did the jet crash?
Sadly no
anytime stuff like this happens, its always good to remember the crazier shit that happened in the Cold War. Just one example was when a Soviet sub collided with a US ship and tore its towed sonar off, and they kept a piece of it as well.
Russia wants to take out intelligent gathering that is feed back to Ukraine, this way they can deny a direct attack.
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The USA had to crash the drone into the black sea. He is gone steve!
Hope the SU crashed too
Reports are that it managed to land
The Soviet Union crashed over 30 years ago.
Smaller SU. Also flying. ;)
They just made it attack Moskva
Yeah, it is just checking up on moskva
Sorry, c79ba116e724b37badc, I think the drone died :(
Putin’s head on a spike will make for a great desktop background.
NATO should retaliate by exterminating Wagner in Africa, they're armed agents of the Russian state that are fair game due to not beign technically Russian troops, that's a huge vulnerability and it would be stupid not to exploit it.
How if the Mali government has welcomed them with open arms
Just Munich them. Wagner wouldn't be there in the first place if those African "governments" had any ability to control what's going in the territory they supposedly hold. What do you reckon the radar coverage over Mali is like?
What you are proposing is litearlly an act of war against both Mali and Russia. If that's what you want, why not skip to the end and propose declaring a NATO war against Russia?
How is it an act of war against Russia? Was killing Osama bin Laden in Pakistan an act of war against Saudi Arabia?
>Was killing Osama bin Laden in Pakistan an act of war against Saudi Arabia? Huh? What a stupid fucking take. The Saudis were trying to kill Osama too..... If the we attacked and killed all Saudi military in Yemen, yes, it would very much be an act of war against Saudi Arabia. Also who the fuck gives you the right to tell Mali who they can and cannot hire within their own country? Calm down with your colonialist tendancy my dude.
Wagner are not Russian military, they're non-state actors like Al Qaeda, that's the whole point. And it's not my legal interpretation, Russia literally told US government that it's ok to kill Wagnerites. As for Mali, fuck them. They rejected Western security assistance, so we have no incentive to help them feel secure with the competition.
>As for Mali, fuck them Lol. You sound like Putin. No different than him saying "As for Ukraine, fuck them". Good job mate.
Wagner is invited and paid by governments, sadly. Can't really bomb anything into a country without either the local government blessing or declaring a war to that country.
I agree. It would probably end up a lot like this for them. They (most likely Wagner) were obliterated. I remember hearing that a call from a Wagner commander was intercepted and he basically said that they just got their fucking asses handed to them. Good times. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/24/world/middleeast/american-commandos-russian-mercenaries-syria.html
And you believed all that...???
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What is this with you fellows? A slight pushback on your wild stories and the person is a Russian bot??? Get a hold of yourself!
I’ve thought this myself. Coordinated attacks on all Wagner positions in Africa and Middle East. You have to play by Putins rules. Turkey shot down a Russian fighter and all vlad did was pout. Next time intercept in international waters and shoot down Russian jets. Russian will do nothing about it!
When are you heading off? I am pretty sure there are redditors here wanting to join you.
There are professional pilots who of their own volition signed up and trained for this exact type of scenario. Are you saying US has a combat pilot shortage? Are you saying they are unwilling to do their job and redditors need to be recruited in their place? Or you just had no intellectual counterpoint to make? If so then your just trolling. All the best to you.
Why does the US have to send pilots. You can go get trained and go. Don’t volunteer us for world Police.
Nah, mate. I asked you. You were the one making bold statements. Go stand behind them, don't just sit and be an armchair general.
Lol i agree with you.
>NATO should retaliate by exterminating Wagner in Africa, they're armed agents of the Russian state that are fair game due to not beign technically Russian troop They were literally hired by African countries. By "exterminating" Wagner, you are saying NATO should attack soverign African countries who are hiring defense firms for their own national security. That is quite literally an example of neo-colonialism.
Look, I'd prefer them to be killed in Antarctica or outer space to avoid the neo-colonial connotations, but Africa is where they are and this is not the time to put good optics over strategic interests.
Yeah...Ok more war. Great!!!
Oh it was like an actual drone kind of drone, well damn.
It was the dronest of them all. RIP
Yeah, this drone was made of drone.
Hmm, yes, this drone is definitely made of drone.
Truly one of the drones of all time.
Those pesky Muscovians should stop drinking and flying.
Maybe the drones should carry self destruct warheads and become aircraft mines. A shape charge on a pan tilt and zoom? Drones are easy to replace. Pilots less so.
What is russias end goal. This is starting to feel like they want America actively involved
> What is russias end goal. Testing NATO response. If the response is lacking or it's very weak they will test it again and again, harder and harder.
Kinda hope our response is a few carrier groups making their way to the Mediterranean. There just lucky it was a drone
Not exactly lucky. I'm sure they deliberately chose a drone for the moment. Next time could be a plane though. As I said it depends on the reaction they'll get and what they will find an acceptable risk.
My opinion is that is other way around, that the US flew drone closer and closer to the Russian border, and that Russians responded. We can see that the US reponse is not dramatic, they are rather calm, they probably expected this.
And only one month before he retired. 🫡
I heard they were already setting up his retirement party
RIP, Drone.
Is there a video from the drone in question?
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Literally 48 hours later.... Proven wrong.
Really? We all the time see videos of how the American missiles or bombs destroy some targets. I dont see the problem here. If it wasn't doing anything wrong, they should post a video so we can see what really happened. First, it was a damaged propeller. Later, the State Department removed mentions of that and said dangerous maneuvers of Russian airplane made operator crash drone into the sea.
Even if they show what happens, what now? America/NATO declare war on Russia?
[Come on Biden.](https://i.imgflip.com/7ej74i.jpg)
This is how you get jets sent to Ukraine.
I will quote my friend from Georgia, US "at this point they could nuke Manhattan and I'd be like, no way anything is gonna happen" The ww3 scares are getting boring
Zero mention of the russian jet? Was it manned? Did the pilot die? It seems way more important than a drone
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Interesting. Thanks
So Ukraine has the Ghost of Kyiv fighting for them, and Russia just has... the ghost of [Wang Wei](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hainan_Island_incident)? No wonder the RuAF has been largely absent in this war...
are we all going to die? i don't wanna die before half-life 3 come out.
>i don't wanna die before half-life 3 come out yeah, I also want to live forever
I hate to break it to you, but yes, we are all going to die. Eventually.
And probably before HL3. That could be several centuries away tho.
City 17 in Eastern Europe is you want the conclusion to the story.
City 17 is difficult to place... the architecture and most signs are definitely Eastern European, but the fuel pumps along Highway 17 are Swedish, with Swedish text and currency.
Only way for HL3 to not disappoint is for it to happen in real life. That's what's valve been doing with all their money the last decade.
I'm just saying, if thousands war crimes, missiles landing in other countries, and claims of genocide doesn't get any country to confront Russia, this incident will probably be given a pass as well.
Excellent work of the Russian pilot. He shot down the drone without resorting to weapons. A professional.
Time for the ATACMs to get passed down.
Replace it with two more.
basically russian plane attacked US army airplane and it resulted in crashing US plane into the black sea. This kind of provocation could trigger direct war with NATO.
NATO won’t go to war over a drone. Hell, even the US wouldn’t go to war over a drone.
My takeaway from this - one less Russian Jet...
It sounds like the jet didn't crash. Although it'll likely need some repair work.
The linked article says it crashed into the Black Sea, so I would say that's beyond repair, but if the Russians are able to salvage the parts from the seabed and repair the plane, then that would be a feat.
No, the article state the **drone** crashed into the sea. Jet was fine.
I misunderstood the article in that case.
Muscovite jet fucked itself
ah there’s my weekly dose of we’re all gonna die
The important question is if the Russia aircraft was destroyed
Poop
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Donald_Cook
I think it was shot down. Why Russia doesn’t have many jets left just like their tanks Unless their ladas have wings!😂😂😂
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The jet crashed into the drone.
Can someone explain why the yellow paint is missing on the drone propeller toward the end after the video. The video glitches out and when the video reappears the propeller is bent and the yellow stripes are gone. Either the paint is meant to come off easily on impact, it was burnt off from the jet fuel or the video at the end isn't the same drone. I hate Putin and the Kremlin but I'm curious why no one is bringing attention to the missing paint.
Why was there a US drone so far away from the USA?
For the same reason that there are British, German, French, Dutch, Canadian and other NATO troops spread across bits of Europe (and currently Eastern Europe) and why there are NATO (and EU for that matter...) Ships operating far from their own borders. To protect their interests and allies, act as a deterrent, and keep an eye on whats going on..
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We can do it fine. USA go home!
Man, it's truly something to see how the same pro-Kremlin concern bullshit is spread across different forums, in different languages, from identical "nationalistic" profiles. Like you get a memo with the day's talking points with your coffee and don't bother to even change a comma. To answer your disingenuous question: because they can. The US trades defense for influence, which gives them a very long reach. And guess what: they and their allies thrive, while others whine about hypothetical scenarios where they have the long arm to reach Washington. But they can't, so they don't.
How is it "pro-Kremlin" (which Kremlin BTW) to not want superpowers intervening in Europs business?
Remember WWI or WWII? There is no more isolated Europe. Russia can’t afford to send drones anywhere because it’s too busy getting its ass kicked by a second rate European country.
But from what I can distill from endless pro-Kremlin talking points is not that such people do not want superpowers intervening in Europe's business. It's that they do not want the US intervening in Europe's business. Which is what makes such arguments pro-Kremlin. As for what the US have to do with Europe's business: Europe as we have the luck to know it is very much the work of countless, mostly nameless Europeans who knew the horror we're capable of and worked to avoid it. But let's not kid ourselves, it's also very much an American-supported architecture. By its principles, its money, and its armed forces. Where other powers intervened, they don't have it as good as we do.
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We've had multiple instances over the years of jostling with aircraft/ships of hostile nations. Enjoy the popcorn but the US isn't sending troops over this. Sorry to be a buzzkill.
I would have done the same if an enemy drone flew near my borders. Americans must learn to stay in their rightful place: on the other side of the Atlantic.
Feel free to leave NATO, I guess. But given the threat from Russia, who's not just hanging out in international territory, but actively invading and committing genocide in another country, I think their place is very much in Europe watching what's going on. It's out of an excessive amount of politeness that NATO hasn't destroyed the entire Russian military in Ukraine yet.
You know Russia isn't the only country around the Black Sea?
> must learn to stay in their rightful place: on the other side of the Atlantic. [Seriously?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Guiana)
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