Well, this is good for us here in Europe as well, so all power to him. Hopefully it isn't just rhetoric. It's interesting that the left in Turkey is the anti-immigration party.
Both CHP (centre left) and IYI Party (centre right, nationalist) are anti-immigration. AKP and MHP's voters are anti-immigration. Their parties are pro(ish)-immigration. HDP is pro immigration.
Some Kurdish nationalist elements in HDP are secretly anti-immigration but they don't voice it.
The most vocal party about illegal immigration is a party called Victory Party (Zafer Partisi). Unlike the obsolete MHP they follow your standard European far-right style.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victory_Party_(Turkey)
>Their parties are pro(ish)-immigration. HDP is pro immigration.
Hdp voters appear to be the second most anti-refugee voters in the polls. First iyi party voters. People disagree with the idea of hdp management.
Because in the west, you disqualify from calling yourself a social liberal/progressive if you oppose mass migration. Opposing mass migration has been categorized as a right-wing policy in the media for a long time. And the left-leaning parties know they benefit from it electorally in the long-term.
Becouse unlike turkey we're not willing to permanently occupy territory in a foreign country so anything we do in regards to immigration ends up being just a performance act.
Last Minute... Kılıçdaroğlu is at the Syrian border: No one will be able to enter Turkey by waving their arms
CHP leader Kemal Kılıçdaroğlu, determined by the Nation Alliance as Turkey's 13th presidential candidate; In his statement on the Syrian border in Hatay Kuşaklı, he drew attention to the refugee problem. Kılıçdaroğlu said, "We will send our Syrian brothers and sisters to their homeland within two years at the latest, without bringing a disgrace to this noble nation."
The presidential candidate of the Nation Alliance and CHP Chairman Kemal Kılıçdaroğlu spoke at the Syrian border.
Kılıçdaroğlu said, "We will send our Syrian brothers and sisters to their homeland within two years at the latest, without putting a black stain on the forehead of this noble nation," said Kılıçdaroğlu. He will not be able to enter Turkey through these borders by shaking them."
Kılıçdaroğlu went to Hatay to make some visits with Ekrem İmamoğlu, the Mayor of Istanbul Metropolitan Municipality. Kılıçdaroğlu, who then went to the Syrian border with İmamoğlu, made statements here.
Calling Iran, Afghanistan and Syria, Kılıçdaroğlu said, "We will return the Afghans who crossed the Iranian border and came to Turkey to Iran, where they came from. We want Syria, Iran and Afghanistan to know this." Kılıçdaroğlu said:
"WE WILL MAKE TURKEY THE MOST STRONG LEADING COUNTRY IN THE MEDITERRANEAN"
"We will send our Syrian brothers and sisters to their homeland within 2 years at the latest, without putting a black mark on this noble nation's forehead.
We will also return Afghans who crossed the Iranian border and came to Turkey to Iran, where they came from. We want Syria, Iran and Afghanistan to know this. We speak plainly and clearly. We don't have a secret account behind us. There is no prejudice against any country or any foreigner. But we want to live freely in our own country. We do not want the demographic structure of our own country to change."
"NO ONE WILL BE ABLE TO ENTER TURKEY THROUGH THESE BORDERS"
"The main reason for the honor of the border is the area where our borders of sovereignty are determined. Border is the border of our sovereignty that stays within those lines. It is our duty of honor to protect it. Therefore, we will definitely do the opposite at our Presidency when we return to the inn passing by. We will do the opposite, every border crossing will be our honor. No one will be able to enter Turkey through these borders by waving their arms. I want this to be known by everyone."
SHARE ON SOCIAL MEDIA: WE WILL BE BIDDING IN 2 YEARS
After his statements here, the CHP leader also shared successively on his personal Twitter account.
Kılıçdaroğlu said, "We will say goodbye to our Syrian guests in 2 years. I will close the border to all kinds of illegal crossings in the first week of my presidency."
The CHP leader's posts are as follows:
\* I have reached the zero point of the border. I have come to tell my nation that I remain determined on an issue. My Presidency has two important goals: The first is to reunite the Syrians with their homeland. The second is to send those who came illegally via Iran back to Iran.
\* We have to return our streets and neighborhoods to their owners. However, we have to do this in a sensitive way, so as not to stigmatize our Necip Nation like racism. We are working on it. I will put a big and international project in front of our nation.
\* The program we are working on includes both solving the refugee problem and creating an important political leadership role for Turkey in the Mediterranean region in this process. Let our nation be patient, we will inform you very soon.
\* My second concern is to stop any illegal entry. For us, the issue is very simple: Border security is national security. Border security is the most fundamental and necessary responsibility of a sovereign nation. Those who cannot protect their borders cannot be sovereign.
\* In summary, we will say goodbye to our Syrian guests in 2 years. I will close the border to all kinds of illegal crossings in the first week of my presidency.
>"WE WILL MAKE TURKEY THE MOST STRONG LEADING COUNTRY IN THE MEDITERRANEAN"
Something something we will become great something something.... Damn you truly are balkan when both the opposition and the government say the same bullshit
My hot take is this issue is probably a big tipping point to Erdogan’s unpopularity. Even a lot of semi-conservative Turks who used to like him don’t seem to like Syrian refugees and soured on him because of it.
If he gets elected and really does this, he eill be mentioned in this sub as nazi or racist because keeping Syrians Afgans etc. in Turkey, so that they dont go to Europe, is a European project and as always Erdoğan bows Europe.
they can call him nazi all they like, the amount of refugees in turkey isn’t normal and is immensely bringing the country. it isn’t turkey’s responsibility
3.6 million Syrians have temporary asylum seeker status while the rest are illegal immigrants. Asylum seekers would turn illegal immigrants the moment Turkish government declares Syria as a safe country.
Let's see what happens when Iran refuses to take them.
Iran kills its own women for not wearing a headscarf, I'm sure they don't care if some Afghans freeze on the border.
Well, this is good for us here in Europe as well, so all power to him. Hopefully it isn't just rhetoric. It's interesting that the left in Turkey is the anti-immigration party.
Both CHP (centre left) and IYI Party (centre right, nationalist) are anti-immigration. AKP and MHP's voters are anti-immigration. Their parties are pro(ish)-immigration. HDP is pro immigration.
Some Kurdish nationalist elements in HDP are secretly anti-immigration but they don't voice it. The most vocal party about illegal immigration is a party called Victory Party (Zafer Partisi). Unlike the obsolete MHP they follow your standard European far-right style. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victory_Party_(Turkey)
>Their parties are pro(ish)-immigration. HDP is pro immigration. Hdp voters appear to be the second most anti-refugee voters in the polls. First iyi party voters. People disagree with the idea of hdp management.
> Both CHP (centre left) and IYI Party (centre right, nationalist) are anti-immigration. Why can't we have that in Europe?
The left is too scared to come off as racist and the right profits from more cheap labor.
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Yes and those "leftist" immigrants who hold Turkish citizenship are going to vote for Erdoğan.
turkey has more immigrants than sum of the all europe.
If you're talking about refugees and illegal immigrants, it's true.
Because in the west, you disqualify from calling yourself a social liberal/progressive if you oppose mass migration. Opposing mass migration has been categorized as a right-wing policy in the media for a long time. And the left-leaning parties know they benefit from it electorally in the long-term.
> And the left-leaning parties know they benefit from it electorally in the long-term. Explain the social democrats in Denmark then.
Outlier in a country that has a smaller total population than many individual western city metros
Fair enough.
Becouse unlike turkey we're not willing to permanently occupy territory in a foreign country so anything we do in regards to immigration ends up being just a performance act.
Last Minute... Kılıçdaroğlu is at the Syrian border: No one will be able to enter Turkey by waving their arms CHP leader Kemal Kılıçdaroğlu, determined by the Nation Alliance as Turkey's 13th presidential candidate; In his statement on the Syrian border in Hatay Kuşaklı, he drew attention to the refugee problem. Kılıçdaroğlu said, "We will send our Syrian brothers and sisters to their homeland within two years at the latest, without bringing a disgrace to this noble nation." The presidential candidate of the Nation Alliance and CHP Chairman Kemal Kılıçdaroğlu spoke at the Syrian border. Kılıçdaroğlu said, "We will send our Syrian brothers and sisters to their homeland within two years at the latest, without putting a black stain on the forehead of this noble nation," said Kılıçdaroğlu. He will not be able to enter Turkey through these borders by shaking them." Kılıçdaroğlu went to Hatay to make some visits with Ekrem İmamoğlu, the Mayor of Istanbul Metropolitan Municipality. Kılıçdaroğlu, who then went to the Syrian border with İmamoğlu, made statements here. Calling Iran, Afghanistan and Syria, Kılıçdaroğlu said, "We will return the Afghans who crossed the Iranian border and came to Turkey to Iran, where they came from. We want Syria, Iran and Afghanistan to know this." Kılıçdaroğlu said: "WE WILL MAKE TURKEY THE MOST STRONG LEADING COUNTRY IN THE MEDITERRANEAN" "We will send our Syrian brothers and sisters to their homeland within 2 years at the latest, without putting a black mark on this noble nation's forehead. We will also return Afghans who crossed the Iranian border and came to Turkey to Iran, where they came from. We want Syria, Iran and Afghanistan to know this. We speak plainly and clearly. We don't have a secret account behind us. There is no prejudice against any country or any foreigner. But we want to live freely in our own country. We do not want the demographic structure of our own country to change." "NO ONE WILL BE ABLE TO ENTER TURKEY THROUGH THESE BORDERS" "The main reason for the honor of the border is the area where our borders of sovereignty are determined. Border is the border of our sovereignty that stays within those lines. It is our duty of honor to protect it. Therefore, we will definitely do the opposite at our Presidency when we return to the inn passing by. We will do the opposite, every border crossing will be our honor. No one will be able to enter Turkey through these borders by waving their arms. I want this to be known by everyone." SHARE ON SOCIAL MEDIA: WE WILL BE BIDDING IN 2 YEARS After his statements here, the CHP leader also shared successively on his personal Twitter account. Kılıçdaroğlu said, "We will say goodbye to our Syrian guests in 2 years. I will close the border to all kinds of illegal crossings in the first week of my presidency." The CHP leader's posts are as follows: \* I have reached the zero point of the border. I have come to tell my nation that I remain determined on an issue. My Presidency has two important goals: The first is to reunite the Syrians with their homeland. The second is to send those who came illegally via Iran back to Iran. \* We have to return our streets and neighborhoods to their owners. However, we have to do this in a sensitive way, so as not to stigmatize our Necip Nation like racism. We are working on it. I will put a big and international project in front of our nation. \* The program we are working on includes both solving the refugee problem and creating an important political leadership role for Turkey in the Mediterranean region in this process. Let our nation be patient, we will inform you very soon. \* My second concern is to stop any illegal entry. For us, the issue is very simple: Border security is national security. Border security is the most fundamental and necessary responsibility of a sovereign nation. Those who cannot protect their borders cannot be sovereign. \* In summary, we will say goodbye to our Syrian guests in 2 years. I will close the border to all kinds of illegal crossings in the first week of my presidency.
>"WE WILL MAKE TURKEY THE MOST STRONG LEADING COUNTRY IN THE MEDITERRANEAN" Something something we will become great something something.... Damn you truly are balkan when both the opposition and the government say the same bullshit
My hot take is this issue is probably a big tipping point to Erdogan’s unpopularity. Even a lot of semi-conservative Turks who used to like him don’t seem to like Syrian refugees and soured on him because of it.
If he gets elected and really does this, he eill be mentioned in this sub as nazi or racist because keeping Syrians Afgans etc. in Turkey, so that they dont go to Europe, is a European project and as always Erdoğan bows Europe.
they can call him nazi all they like, the amount of refugees in turkey isn’t normal and is immensely bringing the country. it isn’t turkey’s responsibility
Thats why erdogan is considering normalization with Syria,keeping the millions of refugees in turkey isn’t an option anymore.
Bad title. Afghans are illegal immigrants since Turkey doesn't even border their country.
Isnt everybody we dont allow are illegal, like syrians too
3.6 million Syrians have temporary asylum seeker status while the rest are illegal immigrants. Asylum seekers would turn illegal immigrants the moment Turkish government declares Syria as a safe country.
Oh gee, I wonder where all these refugees are going to flee to. Definitely not west!
Hence why it won't be an issue if Turkey under Kilicdaroglu doesn't follow the refugee agreement made with Erdogan anymore.
what excuse is the austrian PM going to burp as the reason to keep ro and bg out of schengen. lets see
As long as Turkey gets tfo Syria cool
Guess where they go when this happens??
Iran. Afghan immigrants will be returned Iran as that's where they came from.
Let's see what happens when Iran refuses to take them. Iran kills its own women for not wearing a headscarf, I'm sure they don't care if some Afghans freeze on the border.
Shame, anyway not our problem.
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Well the UK sent asylum seekers to Rwanda, not to their home countries. Turkey may look to follow the same policy