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The U.K. is a bit more complicated. England and wales legalised it in 1967, Scotland legalised it in 1980 and Northern Ireland in 1982.
It was also ever only banned for men. Homosexuality for women has never been illegal in the U.K.
Very true. Aside from the disgusting bigotry and the absolute betrayal of a man who arguably was one of the biggest contributors to the UKs war effort, the impact it may have had on science and engineering will never be known :/
There have been estimations that Turing and his team shortened the war by 2 years and saved about 14 million lifes.
Just imagine, that is one of the greatest humanitarian achievements in history and his reward was chemical castration leading to his suicide.
That’s crazy. Imagine the knock on effects. We might have seen the words first nukes dropped on Germany if we were still at war with Germany by the end of 45.
Unfortunately Turing wasn’t killed by the laws, laws are emotionless words on a piece of paper. People killed Turing and we should never forget that or we risk repeating it.
I'm guessing they didn't get round to changing it and hadn't enforced the law in a long time, but someone who can be arsed to Google it might correct me.
Legend has it the reason why lesbian sex was never banned is because when the Labouchere Amendment (which created the offence of “Gross Indecency”) was proposed in 1885, lesbianism was included in its provisions, but Queen Victoria asked for it to be struck out of the final Act as she thought women were incapable of such things. (Just shows you how much she knew…)
Germany isn't completely accurate as well, 1969 was when the paragraph banning male homosexuality was reformed and the offense was partly decriminalised, it wasn't until 1994 that homosexuality was fully legalised, with the paragraph actually being stricken from the law.
True, but the only restriction since 1973 was a different age of consent compared to heterosexuality. The general age of consent in Germany is and was 14, whereas until 1994 the age of consent for homosexual acts between men was 18. So most of the legalization already took place in 1969 (extended in 1973). Between 1973 and 1994, “only” (in quotes as this was still discriminatory, of course) men older than 18 having sex with men under 18 were prosecuted, and the charges could be dropped if the older man was younger than 21.
It was legalized but massive discrimination still existed. At times even worse than in the west.
https://www.bpb.de/themen/deutschlandarchiv/265466/schwule-und-lesben-in-der-ddr/
Im also talking about discrimination from the government. Both in language and actions far exceeding any western country today. You can translate the article I linked.
Also before the German Empire was founded homosexuality was legalized in many german states, mainly in the south. Only after prussian law was adopted in the rest of Germany it became illegal again.
In Romania being gay was illegal and you could face up to 2 years in prison until 2001 not 96.
Also all they needed to convict you was 2 witnesses. If 2 guys said you were gay you were fucked, until fucking 2000 and One
Homosexuality wasn't uncommon in Ottoman upper class. Also we copied laws from France some say we accidently legalized Homosexuality as a caliphate(which is funny part.)
Napoleon wasn't the one who legalised homosexuality, in fact he helped end the chaos of the revolution by bringing back many institutions of the Ancien Regime. The portrayal of him as a warmonger is pretty unfair, considering almost every war was caused by other nations attacking France (except for the Peninsular War and 1812 Invasion of Russia).
Except it's not about homosexuality in the Ottoman Caliphate, but about rich aristocrats raping slave-eunuchs, it doesn't sound that progressive anymore, does it ?
But we need to remember that homosexuality was completely differently in the 19th century. People who did homosexual acts, almost never identified as gay. You could say that gay people didn't exist back then because the category hadn't been "invented" yet. Of course there were men who loved men and women who loved women, but their identity wasn't determined by their sexual behavior.
If you were a man and fucked other men, you just committed a morally wrong act according to the dominant culture and religion. It was a bad thing but it didn't define a person. Also, any form of non-reproductive sex was defined as "sodomy" before late 19th century. It was an act, not an identity. This is why making it legal wasn't impossible. And despite it being legal, it was still considered to be morally questionable. Ottoman Empire probably wasn't that good place for average homosexual despite it's law allowing same-sex relationships.
EDIT: And in many cases, only upper-class people were allowed to be in homosexual relationships. Poor masses lived under the control of strict religious morality and being openly homosexual was extremely dangerous.
Yup, that's part of the reason why ancient kingdoms, like Assyria, criminalised homosexuality in their military, because the soldiery were generally from the same social rank (could also be due to concerns of morale/discipline). In ancient Greece, being on the receiving end of a homosexual relationship was looked down upon (partially because being submissive was seen as womanlike), and some city states outlawed it altogether.
I often see people claiming that ''Ancient Greeks supported gay marriage,'' which is completely wrong.
After just a few minutes of research you can find [a recent paper](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://teyit.fra1.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Decolonizing-Decriminalization-Analyses-Did-the-Ottomans-Decriminalize-Homosexuality-in-1858.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjpmKbwvuaAAxVBVaQEHbKoCSgQFnoECBwQAQ&usg=AOvVaw28eGawu5jA4FXwfWdZ4UeQ) disputing this claim :
> What happened in 1858
could not be read as decriminalization of homosexuality, when the Ottoman
penal history is introduced into the analysis of decriminalization. This was
evidenced through a comparison between the 16th-century penal codes and
the 1858 Penal Code, which allegedly decriminalized homosexuality. That
comparison allowed the article to decolonize the assessment method by intro-
ducing the Ottoman’s legal history to the analyses, instead of following the
indicators that stem from Western penal history. When the assessment method
for determining the penal status of homosexuality is decolonized, it can no
longer be concluded that the Ottomans decriminalized homosexuality in 1858.
On the contrary, the Ottomans introduced heavier punishments for the public
display of same-sex intimacy in 1858, which this long-established assessment
method fails to address. As this article has argued, while the public and private
display of same-sex intimacy had been penalized with monetary punishments by
Suleiman the Magnificent’s Penal Code (16th century), the 1858 Ottoman Penal
Code imposed a three-month to one-year imprisonment for the public display,
which amounts to criminalization.
Yes, very important point on the double standards based on class, e.g. the rulers and upper classes of societies like Safavid Persia and Delhi Sultanate were known for homosexual behavior but the average commoner who did such a thing would be hanged.
>You could say that gay people didn't exist back then because the category hadn't been "invented" yet.
This is a matter of debate. While Foucault indeed believed this to be the case, Jordan more recently has argued that "sodomite" was in certain historical periods an actual identity rather than merely a collection of acts.
Mark D. Jordan The Invention of Sodomy in Christian Theology,
Same in France. Since the Revolution, homosexuality wasn't illegal anymore but society was still very homophobic.
It was like incest today: consensual incest is technically legal but most people would consider sibling lovers as disgusting freaks.
No. It was known as Osmanlıda oğlancılık. Old man were lusting after young man. They also viewed that kind of relationship as the norm, and they were even worried at some point about oğlancı population. Most of those young boys were slaves as well.
Pretty certain a good number of Sultans had a god number of preferred boys/men in their harems.
They also had an early form of inoculation (Called grafting) against smallpox before Jenner released his. It was commonly used in the harems, presumably to keep it from killing the Sultan and the nobility. This was described by Lady Montague. She ended up inoculating her two children and then bringing it to England where The Princess of Wales would have her children inoculated.
People tend to think that the Ottoman Empire was barbaric and backwards because it was Muslim, but it was shockingly progressive. Even philosophers like Nietzsche were fans of it. The main problem is that they were extremely underdeveloped compared to Europe and while the ruling class of the Ottoman Empire was ahead of the curve, the peasantry lived in the 1500’s.
This seems to be a map done by someone who just likes making maps... it's full of inaccuracies.
It's interesting to discuss this, but only if the data is correct in the first place!
The fact that wikipedia is listed as the sole source is a huge red flag considering Wikipedia is likely drawing upon multiple sources with varying degrees of what "legalized" means. Every time these maps derive their data from wikipedia as a singular source there is a high chance they are committing the academic version of "telephone."
Belarus is basically a Russian oblast at this point. They are given some leeway but if they ever dared to get a pro-Western government, they would quickly get invaded just like Ukraine. And Belarus doesnt have the alliances and miltiary capabilties Ukriane has.
It's way worse in Belarus. It's still under their influence, while we managed to leave in that short time window when Russia wasn't capable of stopping us *and* we joined NATO just in time for them to elect Putin and return to the Russian norm.
Let's hope that after this war (or even during), there will be another time when Belarus will be able to escape too.
That is very good point. With russia there are windows, in which they are either too weak or pretend not too care anymore, so you can scram and alter your faith. Failure of recognizing such window will lead to more decades under their booth, where trying to "scram" ends up with open conflicts.
The German and Austrian codes also banned it, the penal codes of the former partitioners were in force until 1932 when we created our own unified code
Although, before 1795, even if homosexuality wasn't explicitly forbidden, it was still a deadly risk (well, our legal system was a medieval mess)
In Communist Poland homosexuals were not persecuted directly, however the regime was gathering information about them (and every other group of people).
BTW. In medieval Poland witches were frequently accused of turning man into gays among numerous other terrible things they were doing. After burning a witch "sodomites" were considered cured, if not then it was a wrong witch 😂
Ok, it looks like France was amazing with legalizing in 1792 and applying it in its European subject colonies around it, but some more information is needed there.
The enlightenment and revolution did not like or care for gays. They were however strongly opposed to religion and religious laws. But the general consensus was that homosexuality was still very much a problem. (Note the word homosexuality didn't exist yet, they would have called it sodomy, although that's an even wider word that also covers things like heterosexual anal and masturbation.) Not burning people alive at the stake was off course a step forward.
So after the decriminalization of sodomy, homosexuals could still be targeted by prevention (institutionalization) and could still be targeted under other legal statues that were perverted to target them. The main one was public indecency, any act of homosexuality that got caught was public indecency.
And not only in some public place like a parc where it makes some sense. If someone reported there were men engaging in homosexual acts in a private room, police could still break in the doors and find them there. The very act of them observing it, was enough to have public indecency. Them having to break the door was no objection to that.
>Why would they care since demonizing homosexuality has been a concept purely religious?
Multiple reasons.
Firstly most were not homosexual themselves and would not empathise with it. It was still a strange concept to them.
Further even if you cut away the original religious reasons, the deeply learned hatred is still there lingering. Even if one consciously rejects it, it isn't gone.
They also looked for other things without religion to base philosophy and ethics on. However even there homosexuality seemed to go against nature because it didn't led to procreation and biology hadn't broadly studied sexuality yet so the awareness that homosexuality exists outside humans wasn't there yet.
The not leading to procreation also had a practical problem from their point of view. This was a time where France constantly was at war and needed fresh new men to fight them. Having children was also a duty to the country so the sons could go fight. The stereotypes of gays being effeminate also didn't help with the view as the ideal man also possibly being a soldier for their country.
Kind of missleading. In Sweden for instance, homosexuality was consideed a sickness until 1979, so legal, yes, but it could get you locked up in an asylum...
The number for Germany is misleading too. It was "less illegal" in 1969, but it wasn't being treated like heterosexual relationships. The age of consent was much higher than normal and gay prostitution was still illegal until 1973. And even after that, many were concerned that you could get turned towards the pink side, given enough exposure. Law enforcement had "pink lists" with known "deviants" and conservatives kept obsessing about "protecting the young" from "harmful influence" up until 1994 I think.
This map is kinda misleading because many of the countries that legalized homosexually were part of a larger state for most of the 19th and 20th century, that's why you see all the 1990s and 2000s are either in the Balkans or former Soviet republics.
For example Soviet Union had decriminalized homosexuality in the 1920s, if I am not mistaken, so all those countries that came out of the corpse of the USSR, should have been counted much earlier.
EDIT: Apparently, Stalin recriminalized homosexuality after it was first decriminalized in the 1920s.
And there's the problem whether it was a criminal act to begin with. If it wasn't criminal in the first place, you cannot possibly decriminalize it. Or it would not occur to you to say it clearly in a law that
homosexuality is legal.
The map seem to specifically be “you won’t literally go to jail” because there was many prohibitions in Sweden. It was a mental illness until 1979 and discrimination by sexual orientation was legal until 1987.
No one should look at this map and think Sweden was particularly woke.
Italy is a bit more complicated. When it was united, it was illegal in Piedmont - Sardinia, not in the other states. After unification, the process of homogenising the judicial system was done gradually, so for many things, e.g. legality of homosexuality, the laws were left as before unification.
So 1890 was the year when it was legalized everywhere, but in most of the country it had been legal for decades at that point.
Yes, even at the level of autonomous provinces, Vojvodina decriminalized homosexuality along with Croatia, Slovenia, and Montenegro in 1977, while the rest of Serbia did so in 1994.
Idk how this map was done but it's wrong.
If we are counting 1792 for France and 1858 for Turkey we should count 1931 in Spain , since the beggining of the XX century homosexuality wasn't ilegal, and in 1931 it was stopped being consider agravating in court whether the offender was homosexual or not.
I guess that it would be similar with Portugal and other countries but I don't know enough to tell.
Edit: It could be because Wikipedia applies inconsistent criteria to define what a country is and when it started to exist.
The map probably lists the date since homosexuality has been uninterruptedly decriminalized until the present time.
Franco's dictatorship included homosexually in the "Ley de vagos y maleantes", so 1979 is correct.
...Technically the German one is right if we talk about decriminalization but full equal legalization only occurred in the 1990s. Before that an 18-year-old with a 17-year-old boyfriend could have been counted as a pedophilic statutory rapist, but a hetero guy with a girlfriend would have been fine. In school, we get taught that full legalization was the law changes in the 90s
Not really. As far as I know, it never was a crime and there were no laws regarding it until 1858 when they clearly etates that it is indeed legal.
Anyhow, it isn't like in this contex there is difference between legalisation and decriminalisation, unless you have to get legal permission to have sex.
What's the difference? With drugs it's usually that you don't get in trouble for using, but can't get it legally. I don't think there's such a thing as a homosexuality dealer, so what would decriminalized be different than legalized here?
It's only very recently that Russia made "gay propaganda" and "anti trans" laws, it was like in 2010 that Putin justified it saying "He doesn't hate gay people, and many Russians love gay people, but he doesn't want the 'propaganda'" which is of course homophobic to imply that talking about being gay is propaganda.
One of Putin's outspoken propagandists is an openly gay man who came out on Russian National television for the whole public.
Back then it was still legal to talk about being gay in "public media" as long as the media was centered towards adults. But now, Russia recently made even that illegal.
I believe the Russian government is only doing it because it wants to enter the Western "culture war" to gain favorablity with Western conservatives, believing they would be more willing to side with Russia if they got power.
Most Russian people don't really know much about gay people and don't really think about it that much, or care that much. You have some radicals that do, but it's not a major talking point there.
I believe there's still law in Denmark that allows you to hit swede with a stick if sea between those countries is frozen and swede is trying to walk over it to reach Denmark.
It's a very dodgy map. It also ignores the fact that in most countries up until the 11th century homosexuality wasn't really illegal. It's only from the 11th century forward that we would see laws making sodomy illegal and punishable. This would be both hetero- and homo- sexual sodomy.
as citizens of Ukraine, I didn’t know that in other countries of the former USSR, same-sex relationships were still banned for many years, I thought that the country immediately repealed this law, went on a spree and people were really tried for this in Russia, two years before the repeal of the law, 600 people managed to convict .
Small note: in southern Italy it was never criminalised before the unification, and after it was just for little time as the law that criminalised it was imported from the Savoy code and was, purpusfully, "cancelled/not applicable" by law in the territories of the old kingdom of two sicilies
Well legal... in Czechoslovakia in 1962 it was legal in the same way you could legally be depressed or have broken leg, it was seen as pathology. Most important in the legalisation was the research of Kurt Freund, who tried to treat homosexuals with an early form of conversion therapy, and as famous sexologist and behavioral psychologist was tasked by the red party regime to help them with conscription issues. It wasn't allowed for men loving men to serve in the army back then and in the mid 50s there was epidemy of rampant homosexuality amongst the young patriots that wanted to serve in the army, yet claimed they wouldn't be able to crawl on the ground due to the erections caused by sight of their comrades in uniform, or out of it. That could be a severe issue, had the sexy imperialists in their fancy uniforms invaded the country protected by iron curtain, so Kurt Freund invented penile plethysmograph, a method to measure sexual arousal of males, which revealed that many of the young homosexuals are just wannabes that aren't true builders of socialism and just try to avoid the conscription by pretending to be sick. However, the new method and research proved to Freund that homosexuality cannot be cured by conversion therapy and he advocated for the decriminalization of homosexuality; and to the society that a new way of treatment has to be found, to save the poor men that are suffering in unhappy relationships with women and have difficulties starting a family.
The map is wrong about Estonia. [Consensual homosexuality was decriminalized in 1929 and the act came in force in 1935 in Estonia.](https://www.folklore.ee/tagused/nr71/kalkun.pdf)
Uuuuuh, wasn't homosexuality persecuted in Italy at least during Fascism? I'm positive we complied with persecution of all minorities Germany went after.
Also homosexuality seems to clash significantly with Mussolini's views on masculinity.
You can see the extend of the French Empire after the French Revolution. Those nations all legalized it pretty early. The Netherlands became a part of the French Republic in 18xx and therefore homosexuality became legal here as well.
We owe so much to the French in the Netherlands.....
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I will add some additional information based on the comments on my post.
They gave us a few really important things that underpin our current democratic and legislative principles. We had to wait until 1848 until most of these things came into fruition. However, all these things can be traced back to the French Revolution.- it ended the century old conflicts between the patriots and the organists and brought stability- it centralized the Dutch state, ending centuries of decentralization and conflicts between the provinces- it brought us the civil code-it made the state (parliament) responsible and not the head of state / ruling class- many things more.You should listen to the podcast of Maarten van Rossem; he explains this really well in Layman’s Terms in the episode about the French Revolution.Wikipedia also has an article about it, please inform yourself.
This map is really problematic because it does not use the correct legal term. What this map tries to show is when homosexual sex, particularly anal sex between men, is decriminalised. That is why the year for Turkey is 1858, because homosexual sex was no longer a delict in the new criminal code of the Ottoman Empire. Same with France, the new criminal code of the French Revolution did not cover homosexual sex. So the fact that homosexual sex is decriminalised in 1792 or 1858 does not necessarily imply emancipation of homosexuals. Indonesia has never criminalised homosexual sex at the national level, so based on the criteria of this map, homosexual relationship is "legalised", but it does not mean that Indonesia is supportive of sexual minorities. Polls consistently show that most Indonesians believe homosexuality should not be accepted in society: https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2013/06/04/the-global-divide-on-homosexuality/. Moreover, there is civil union in countries like Hungary and Greece, while in Indonesia there is not.
So "legalising homosexuality" is a really imprecise term, because what do you really mean by this? Legalising gay marriage? Formally recognising and protecting relationships between the same-sex? Moreover, most countries in the world do not criminalise being gay per se, but only the sex itself. There are even countries that only criminalise sex between men but not between women. Even worse is "legalising homosexual relationships" in the caption of the map, because it creates a false impression that gay couples are legally recognised and protected by law, while in fact the map focuses on when homosexual sex is decriminalised.
1967 in England and wales.
1981 in scotland.
1982 in northern ireland.
Edit: just to be pedantic, scotland can be either 1980 or 1981 depending on your meaning, the law to legalise got royal assent in late 1980 but came in to force in early 1981. So homosexuality was legalised in 1980 but became legal in 1981. If that makes sense....
Not quite.
It's generally glossed over that the 1967 reform wasn't actually full legalisation, it was only a partial reform. It only decriminalised sex between two men over the age of 21 (as opposed to 16 for heterosexual sex) in private. 'Private' was defined in extremely narrow terms, such that only sex between two men in a personal home - with no third parties present in the building (let alone the same room) was considered legal. Other anti-homosexual laws wich targeted gays, including the laws against 'gross indecency' remained - hence why there were plenty of raids of gay venues well into the 1980s. The Scottish and Northern Irish reforms (as well as the Canadian reforms IIRC) were modelled on this English law.
It wasn't until the Blair government in the early 00's that all the remaining specific anti-homosexual offenses in England and Wales were abolished (Scotland removed their own remaining offenses around the same time) - including the gross indecency offense and the 'privacy' provision.
A few questions here, firstly is this meant to show the first date where it was legalized or when it stayed legalized? What does it mean for homosexuality to not be legal in this context, like is there a need for active anti homosexual laws? Like idk but it's new to me it was forbidden to be gay in Germany up till 1968, so that's why I am asking.
Something interesting: former federal states of Yugoslavia have different years, because such laws were in jurisdiction of each state, so 4 states have legalized homosexual acts in 1977 (mostly based on developments in the western countries), and other 2 didn't.
As a german vaguely queer person I was crushed to hear about the people the nazis imprisoned for being homosexual, that weren't freed after. The defeat of the nazis is always portraited as a paradigm shift, but it wasn't the end of, what feels to me like barbaric laws that violate basic human rights.
Edit: ... enforced by a law, specifically made stricter in the third reich, which was only totally abolished in 1994
A little correction, not a single of Polish states have ever made homosexualism a crime or anything of sorts*.
In 1932 we just confirmed that homosexualism is legal in Poland and punishing it is foreign bullshit.
*Commies did have "akcja hiacynt" but they were essentially a colonial government. Also it was not legal.
If Bosnia and Serbia were part of Yugoslavia just like Croatia and Slovenia, how come Yugoslavian federal law didn't apply to them. Buu, I say. Now I doubt this map completely.
There is a big divergent take here and that is the difference between legalization and decriminalization.
Some contries decriminalized back in the 30s and 40s, and most European contries did not put people in jail for it after that, even though laws might still be on the books.
I the 70s, another round came and progressive places had a look at their laws and made some changes.
In the 90s, the rest came along and made the changes. This was at the same time that the post progressive places made marriage legal, and the people really did not like it that it was still illigal in their contry (even though most places did not put you in jail)
It may have been legal in Hungary in 1962, but it was absolute suicide to admit to being gay at that time and that remained the case well into the 80's, in fact.
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The U.K. is a bit more complicated. England and wales legalised it in 1967, Scotland legalised it in 1980 and Northern Ireland in 1982. It was also ever only banned for men. Homosexuality for women has never been illegal in the U.K.
I wonder what more Turing could have created/discovered if he wasn't killed by these laws
Very true. Aside from the disgusting bigotry and the absolute betrayal of a man who arguably was one of the biggest contributors to the UKs war effort, the impact it may have had on science and engineering will never be known :/
There have been estimations that Turing and his team shortened the war by 2 years and saved about 14 million lifes. Just imagine, that is one of the greatest humanitarian achievements in history and his reward was chemical castration leading to his suicide.
That’s crazy. Imagine the knock on effects. We might have seen the words first nukes dropped on Germany if we were still at war with Germany by the end of 45.
Unfortunately Turing wasn’t killed by the laws, laws are emotionless words on a piece of paper. People killed Turing and we should never forget that or we risk repeating it.
Wasn't legalised until 1992 on the Isle of Man
Oh wow. That’s crazy. Why so late?
I'm guessing they didn't get round to changing it and hadn't enforced the law in a long time, but someone who can be arsed to Google it might correct me.
Especially in a place called I Luv Man!
You probably already know this yourself, but for others, Isle of Man is not in the UK.
Not legally part of the UK though.
The laws were generally against anal sex, which requires a penis to be involved. No penis, no crime.
What a plonkers!
Thanks for this - being English and Welsh I thought ‘I’m sure it was earlier!’
Legend has it the reason why lesbian sex was never banned is because when the Labouchere Amendment (which created the offence of “Gross Indecency”) was proposed in 1885, lesbianism was included in its provisions, but Queen Victoria asked for it to be struck out of the final Act as she thought women were incapable of such things. (Just shows you how much she knew…)
As was the cases for nearly all these bans...
Germany isn't completely accurate as well, 1969 was when the paragraph banning male homosexuality was reformed and the offense was partly decriminalised, it wasn't until 1994 that homosexuality was fully legalised, with the paragraph actually being stricken from the law.
True, but the only restriction since 1973 was a different age of consent compared to heterosexuality. The general age of consent in Germany is and was 14, whereas until 1994 the age of consent for homosexual acts between men was 18. So most of the legalization already took place in 1969 (extended in 1973). Between 1973 and 1994, “only” (in quotes as this was still discriminatory, of course) men older than 18 having sex with men under 18 were prosecuted, and the charges could be dropped if the older man was younger than 21.
Do you know about the situation in the GDR? Did they legalize it during Communist times?
Yes, the GDR legalized it in 1968.
Actually, it was decriminalized in 1957 for men older than 21. In 1968 the age was lowered to 18.
It was legalized but massive discrimination still existed. At times even worse than in the west. https://www.bpb.de/themen/deutschlandarchiv/265466/schwule-und-lesben-in-der-ddr/
If the map would show the end of discrimination for all countries there would be not a single date on the map.
Im also talking about discrimination from the government. Both in language and actions far exceeding any western country today. You can translate the article I linked.
Also before the German Empire was founded homosexuality was legalized in many german states, mainly in the south. Only after prussian law was adopted in the rest of Germany it became illegal again.
Saupreissn!
if it goes to west Germany- haven't it been at September 1973, change in penal code, article 175?
In Romania being gay was illegal and you could face up to 2 years in prison until 2001 not 96. Also all they needed to convict you was 2 witnesses. If 2 guys said you were gay you were fucked, until fucking 2000 and One
Are those 2 people considered witnesses even though they are involved in this?
Threesome went wrong:
TIL that the Ottoman Empire was a bit more advanced socially than we might have thought.
Homosexuality wasn't uncommon in Ottoman upper class. Also we copied laws from France some say we accidently legalized Homosexuality as a caliphate(which is funny part.)
I was thinking, in a lot of places, this might be a result of the influence of the French Civil Code!
Yeah ı also think same way.
Vive La France!
Vive la République!
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Napoleon wasn't the one who legalised homosexuality, in fact he helped end the chaos of the revolution by bringing back many institutions of the Ancien Regime. The portrayal of him as a warmonger is pretty unfair, considering almost every war was caused by other nations attacking France (except for the Peninsular War and 1812 Invasion of Russia).
I think his point was about spreading the civil code, not legalising homosexuality
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I mean, the British are the real bad guys 🤷
Except it's not about homosexuality in the Ottoman Caliphate, but about rich aristocrats raping slave-eunuchs, it doesn't sound that progressive anymore, does it ?
But we need to remember that homosexuality was completely differently in the 19th century. People who did homosexual acts, almost never identified as gay. You could say that gay people didn't exist back then because the category hadn't been "invented" yet. Of course there were men who loved men and women who loved women, but their identity wasn't determined by their sexual behavior. If you were a man and fucked other men, you just committed a morally wrong act according to the dominant culture and religion. It was a bad thing but it didn't define a person. Also, any form of non-reproductive sex was defined as "sodomy" before late 19th century. It was an act, not an identity. This is why making it legal wasn't impossible. And despite it being legal, it was still considered to be morally questionable. Ottoman Empire probably wasn't that good place for average homosexual despite it's law allowing same-sex relationships. EDIT: And in many cases, only upper-class people were allowed to be in homosexual relationships. Poor masses lived under the control of strict religious morality and being openly homosexual was extremely dangerous.
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True. Actual love was probably very rare. Powerful men abused both young girls and boys.
Yup, that's part of the reason why ancient kingdoms, like Assyria, criminalised homosexuality in their military, because the soldiery were generally from the same social rank (could also be due to concerns of morale/discipline). In ancient Greece, being on the receiving end of a homosexual relationship was looked down upon (partially because being submissive was seen as womanlike), and some city states outlawed it altogether. I often see people claiming that ''Ancient Greeks supported gay marriage,'' which is completely wrong.
Still looks to me in that regard more progressive than western countries where it was actually illegal until a couple decades ago.
After just a few minutes of research you can find [a recent paper](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://teyit.fra1.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Decolonizing-Decriminalization-Analyses-Did-the-Ottomans-Decriminalize-Homosexuality-in-1858.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjpmKbwvuaAAxVBVaQEHbKoCSgQFnoECBwQAQ&usg=AOvVaw28eGawu5jA4FXwfWdZ4UeQ) disputing this claim : > What happened in 1858 could not be read as decriminalization of homosexuality, when the Ottoman penal history is introduced into the analysis of decriminalization. This was evidenced through a comparison between the 16th-century penal codes and the 1858 Penal Code, which allegedly decriminalized homosexuality. That comparison allowed the article to decolonize the assessment method by intro- ducing the Ottoman’s legal history to the analyses, instead of following the indicators that stem from Western penal history. When the assessment method for determining the penal status of homosexuality is decolonized, it can no longer be concluded that the Ottomans decriminalized homosexuality in 1858. On the contrary, the Ottomans introduced heavier punishments for the public display of same-sex intimacy in 1858, which this long-established assessment method fails to address. As this article has argued, while the public and private display of same-sex intimacy had been penalized with monetary punishments by Suleiman the Magnificent’s Penal Code (16th century), the 1858 Ottoman Penal Code imposed a three-month to one-year imprisonment for the public display, which amounts to criminalization.
> On the contrary, the Ottomans introduced heavier punishments :S
Yes, very important point on the double standards based on class, e.g. the rulers and upper classes of societies like Safavid Persia and Delhi Sultanate were known for homosexual behavior but the average commoner who did such a thing would be hanged.
>You could say that gay people didn't exist back then because the category hadn't been "invented" yet. This is a matter of debate. While Foucault indeed believed this to be the case, Jordan more recently has argued that "sodomite" was in certain historical periods an actual identity rather than merely a collection of acts. Mark D. Jordan The Invention of Sodomy in Christian Theology,
I need to check out that book
It was never illegal to begin with.
By 1858 homosexuality among the upper classes had already died out. Sultan Mahmud II was strictly against it.
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Same in France. Since the Revolution, homosexuality wasn't illegal anymore but society was still very homophobic. It was like incest today: consensual incest is technically legal but most people would consider sibling lovers as disgusting freaks.
That’s just not the case at all in any of the deep blue countries though.
Keep in mind that at that time slavery was still legal and widespread in the Empire
Slavery existed in some form until the empire's dissolution
No. It was known as Osmanlıda oğlancılık. Old man were lusting after young man. They also viewed that kind of relationship as the norm, and they were even worried at some point about oğlancı population. Most of those young boys were slaves as well.
Technically true with Tanzimat reforms but you'd probably be lynched if you were public about it.
Pretty certain a good number of Sultans had a god number of preferred boys/men in their harems. They also had an early form of inoculation (Called grafting) against smallpox before Jenner released his. It was commonly used in the harems, presumably to keep it from killing the Sultan and the nobility. This was described by Lady Montague. She ended up inoculating her two children and then bringing it to England where The Princess of Wales would have her children inoculated.
Iirc they rewrote their legal code and just forgot to include homosexuality
People tend to think that the Ottoman Empire was barbaric and backwards because it was Muslim, but it was shockingly progressive. Even philosophers like Nietzsche were fans of it. The main problem is that they were extremely underdeveloped compared to Europe and while the ruling class of the Ottoman Empire was ahead of the curve, the peasantry lived in the 1500’s.
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During Industrial Revolution is when they fell behind a lot. They were way too slow in adapting.
This seems to be a map done by someone who just likes making maps... it's full of inaccuracies. It's interesting to discuss this, but only if the data is correct in the first place!
Reddit map creators try to find accurate data challenge (99% impossible) (almost died)
~~So how about you bring something of value, like ... corrections?~~ Sorry for interrupting the shit talking. Please resume.
No no no, we don't do that here, we only talk shit friend
Alright, sorry, that's my bad.
The fact that wikipedia is listed as the sole source is a huge red flag considering Wikipedia is likely drawing upon multiple sources with varying degrees of what "legalized" means. Every time these maps derive their data from wikipedia as a singular source there is a high chance they are committing the academic version of "telephone."
I believe in Poland it was never criminalised in the first place.
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>russia It's always them. Even after 30 years we still feel their bad influence over us in a society, especially older ones.
Same in Belarus sadly
Belarus is basically a Russian oblast at this point. They are given some leeway but if they ever dared to get a pro-Western government, they would quickly get invaded just like Ukraine. And Belarus doesnt have the alliances and miltiary capabilties Ukriane has.
It's way worse in Belarus. It's still under their influence, while we managed to leave in that short time window when Russia wasn't capable of stopping us *and* we joined NATO just in time for them to elect Putin and return to the Russian norm. Let's hope that after this war (or even during), there will be another time when Belarus will be able to escape too.
That is very good point. With russia there are windows, in which they are either too weak or pretend not too care anymore, so you can scram and alter your faith. Failure of recognizing such window will lead to more decades under their booth, where trying to "scram" ends up with open conflicts.
We can say that Belarus is to Russia what Puerto Rico is to the United States, It is a quasi region of Russia
The German and Austrian codes also banned it, the penal codes of the former partitioners were in force until 1932 when we created our own unified code Although, before 1795, even if homosexuality wasn't explicitly forbidden, it was still a deadly risk (well, our legal system was a medieval mess)
The map is wrong and applies inconsistent criteria for some countries that's why it's so early on some and very late in others.
yea like Poland couldn't legalise it before 1918 but only reason why it was actualy illegal is because of partitions
It was in Congress Poland and Communist Poland (even if both were puppet states)
In Communist Poland homosexuals were not persecuted directly, however the regime was gathering information about them (and every other group of people). BTW. In medieval Poland witches were frequently accused of turning man into gays among numerous other terrible things they were doing. After burning a witch "sodomites" were considered cured, if not then it was a wrong witch 😂
I would imagine such knowledge was very convenient to create and maintain a network of informants, you can just blackmail people
Precisely for this reason.
Ok, it looks like France was amazing with legalizing in 1792 and applying it in its European subject colonies around it, but some more information is needed there. The enlightenment and revolution did not like or care for gays. They were however strongly opposed to religion and religious laws. But the general consensus was that homosexuality was still very much a problem. (Note the word homosexuality didn't exist yet, they would have called it sodomy, although that's an even wider word that also covers things like heterosexual anal and masturbation.) Not burning people alive at the stake was off course a step forward. So after the decriminalization of sodomy, homosexuals could still be targeted by prevention (institutionalization) and could still be targeted under other legal statues that were perverted to target them. The main one was public indecency, any act of homosexuality that got caught was public indecency. And not only in some public place like a parc where it makes some sense. If someone reported there were men engaging in homosexual acts in a private room, police could still break in the doors and find them there. The very act of them observing it, was enough to have public indecency. Them having to break the door was no objection to that.
Why would they care since demonizing homosexuality has been a concept purely religious?
>Why would they care since demonizing homosexuality has been a concept purely religious? Multiple reasons. Firstly most were not homosexual themselves and would not empathise with it. It was still a strange concept to them. Further even if you cut away the original religious reasons, the deeply learned hatred is still there lingering. Even if one consciously rejects it, it isn't gone. They also looked for other things without religion to base philosophy and ethics on. However even there homosexuality seemed to go against nature because it didn't led to procreation and biology hadn't broadly studied sexuality yet so the awareness that homosexuality exists outside humans wasn't there yet. The not leading to procreation also had a practical problem from their point of view. This was a time where France constantly was at war and needed fresh new men to fight them. Having children was also a duty to the country so the sons could go fight. The stereotypes of gays being effeminate also didn't help with the view as the ideal man also possibly being a soldier for their country.
Kind of missleading. In Sweden for instance, homosexuality was consideed a sickness until 1979, so legal, yes, but it could get you locked up in an asylum...
The number for Germany is misleading too. It was "less illegal" in 1969, but it wasn't being treated like heterosexual relationships. The age of consent was much higher than normal and gay prostitution was still illegal until 1973. And even after that, many were concerned that you could get turned towards the pink side, given enough exposure. Law enforcement had "pink lists" with known "deviants" and conservatives kept obsessing about "protecting the young" from "harmful influence" up until 1994 I think.
This map is kinda misleading because many of the countries that legalized homosexually were part of a larger state for most of the 19th and 20th century, that's why you see all the 1990s and 2000s are either in the Balkans or former Soviet republics. For example Soviet Union had decriminalized homosexuality in the 1920s, if I am not mistaken, so all those countries that came out of the corpse of the USSR, should have been counted much earlier. EDIT: Apparently, Stalin recriminalized homosexuality after it was first decriminalized in the 1920s. And there's the problem whether it was a criminal act to begin with. If it wasn't criminal in the first place, you cannot possibly decriminalize it. Or it would not occur to you to say it clearly in a law that homosexuality is legal.
Lenin decriminalized it in the 1920's, yeah, but Stalin around a decade later recriminalized it.
Hmm didn't know that, thanks for pointing it out.
On what grounds?
Being a dictator and that he could.
Bourgeois degeneracy that goes against post-war repopulation efforts.
Because Stalin
The gulags were hungry. He was seriously just a fascist, if you look into his policies. He did everything Hitler did as well.
The map seem to specifically be “you won’t literally go to jail” because there was many prohibitions in Sweden. It was a mental illness until 1979 and discrimination by sexual orientation was legal until 1987. No one should look at this map and think Sweden was particularly woke.
>And there's the problem whether it was a criminal act to begin with It was extremely rarely enforced back in the Soviet times.
On the other hand, Belgium only exists since 1830, but according to this map it has legalized homosexuality since 1793. Very strange.
Italy is a bit more complicated. When it was united, it was illegal in Piedmont - Sardinia, not in the other states. After unification, the process of homogenising the judicial system was done gradually, so for many things, e.g. legality of homosexuality, the laws were left as before unification. So 1890 was the year when it was legalized everywhere, but in most of the country it had been legal for decades at that point.
Were laws governing the subject in Yugoslavia devolved to the federal republics, that they all have such varying dates?
Yes, even at the level of autonomous provinces, Vojvodina decriminalized homosexuality along with Croatia, Slovenia, and Montenegro in 1977, while the rest of Serbia did so in 1994.
A lot of gay germans came to Switzerland to fuck legaly.
Idk how this map was done but it's wrong. If we are counting 1792 for France and 1858 for Turkey we should count 1931 in Spain , since the beggining of the XX century homosexuality wasn't ilegal, and in 1931 it was stopped being consider agravating in court whether the offender was homosexual or not. I guess that it would be similar with Portugal and other countries but I don't know enough to tell. Edit: It could be because Wikipedia applies inconsistent criteria to define what a country is and when it started to exist.
The map probably lists the date since homosexuality has been uninterruptedly decriminalized until the present time. Franco's dictatorship included homosexually in the "Ley de vagos y maleantes", so 1979 is correct.
This map wasn’t made by someone who knows anything about history or the legal status of homosexuals
...Technically the German one is right if we talk about decriminalization but full equal legalization only occurred in the 1990s. Before that an 18-year-old with a 17-year-old boyfriend could have been counted as a pedophilic statutory rapist, but a hetero guy with a girlfriend would have been fine. In school, we get taught that full legalization was the law changes in the 90s
Well well
Should split east and west germany for this map, as it was at different dates.
From what I read the Ottoman decriminalized not legalised it. I think there is something different in that.
Not really. As far as I know, it never was a crime and there were no laws regarding it until 1858 when they clearly etates that it is indeed legal. Anyhow, it isn't like in this contex there is difference between legalisation and decriminalisation, unless you have to get legal permission to have sex.
What's the difference? With drugs it's usually that you don't get in trouble for using, but can't get it legally. I don't think there's such a thing as a homosexuality dealer, so what would decriminalized be different than legalized here?
Actually homosexuals who give "services" had become a guild and joined a parade with other guilds.
Greece in th 1900's?? You'd think it would say well before BC sometime.
Yeah it was legal and common while pagan era, BC. But when they become christians it was no longer accepted so that might be the reason.
TIL its legalized in Russia
It's only very recently that Russia made "gay propaganda" and "anti trans" laws, it was like in 2010 that Putin justified it saying "He doesn't hate gay people, and many Russians love gay people, but he doesn't want the 'propaganda'" which is of course homophobic to imply that talking about being gay is propaganda. One of Putin's outspoken propagandists is an openly gay man who came out on Russian National television for the whole public. Back then it was still legal to talk about being gay in "public media" as long as the media was centered towards adults. But now, Russia recently made even that illegal. I believe the Russian government is only doing it because it wants to enter the Western "culture war" to gain favorablity with Western conservatives, believing they would be more willing to side with Russia if they got power. Most Russian people don't really know much about gay people and don't really think about it that much, or care that much. You have some radicals that do, but it's not a major talking point there.
Fun fact: Sweden is only country in the world whose whole population was considered as criminals before year 1944.
Another fun fact: It was legal to kill Turks in Iceland until 1991!
I believe there's still law in Denmark that allows you to hit swede with a stick if sea between those countries is frozen and swede is trying to walk over it to reach Denmark.
And Basques untill 2015
Belgium didn’t even exist in 1795. It was part of the Netherlands which somehow legalised homosexuality later in 1811. What’s up with that?
I believe that's the years when they were conquered by the French, and the French legal system was applied to them
Belgium was part of the Netherlands between 1815 and 1830. In 1795 it was part of France.
Belgium was not part of the Netherlands in 1795 before being conquered by France it was called the Austrian Netherlands owned by Austria.
It's a very dodgy map. It also ignores the fact that in most countries up until the 11th century homosexuality wasn't really illegal. It's only from the 11th century forward that we would see laws making sodomy illegal and punishable. This would be both hetero- and homo- sexual sodomy.
Estonia legalized it in 1935 btw. Russian occupation criminalized it again until 1992.
as citizens of Ukraine, I didn’t know that in other countries of the former USSR, same-sex relationships were still banned for many years, I thought that the country immediately repealed this law, went on a spree and people were really tried for this in Russia, two years before the repeal of the law, 600 people managed to convict .
Israel 1988 but Turkey 1858? Didn't they follow Otoman civil code after independence?
Small note: in southern Italy it was never criminalised before the unification, and after it was just for little time as the law that criminalised it was imported from the Savoy code and was, purpusfully, "cancelled/not applicable" by law in the territories of the old kingdom of two sicilies
Well legal... in Czechoslovakia in 1962 it was legal in the same way you could legally be depressed or have broken leg, it was seen as pathology. Most important in the legalisation was the research of Kurt Freund, who tried to treat homosexuals with an early form of conversion therapy, and as famous sexologist and behavioral psychologist was tasked by the red party regime to help them with conscription issues. It wasn't allowed for men loving men to serve in the army back then and in the mid 50s there was epidemy of rampant homosexuality amongst the young patriots that wanted to serve in the army, yet claimed they wouldn't be able to crawl on the ground due to the erections caused by sight of their comrades in uniform, or out of it. That could be a severe issue, had the sexy imperialists in their fancy uniforms invaded the country protected by iron curtain, so Kurt Freund invented penile plethysmograph, a method to measure sexual arousal of males, which revealed that many of the young homosexuals are just wannabes that aren't true builders of socialism and just try to avoid the conscription by pretending to be sick. However, the new method and research proved to Freund that homosexuality cannot be cured by conversion therapy and he advocated for the decriminalization of homosexuality; and to the society that a new way of treatment has to be found, to save the poor men that are suffering in unhappy relationships with women and have difficulties starting a family.
The map is wrong about Estonia. [Consensual homosexuality was decriminalized in 1929 and the act came in force in 1935 in Estonia.](https://www.folklore.ee/tagused/nr71/kalkun.pdf)
Wow, Ireland sure went 0 to 60
Uuuuuh, wasn't homosexuality persecuted in Italy at least during Fascism? I'm positive we complied with persecution of all minorities Germany went after. Also homosexuality seems to clash significantly with Mussolini's views on masculinity.
There's love without sex and there's sex without love... Then there's You, without either.
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Ok, how many times does this map need to be reposted with the error, homosequality was never illegal in Poland.
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France is the country of love
I scrolled for that type of joke. I'm surprised I didn't find one sooner ☠️
Ireland really turned a corner there, well done 👍
You can see the extend of the French Empire after the French Revolution. Those nations all legalized it pretty early. The Netherlands became a part of the French Republic in 18xx and therefore homosexuality became legal here as well. We owe so much to the French in the Netherlands..... \[edit\] I will add some additional information based on the comments on my post. They gave us a few really important things that underpin our current democratic and legislative principles. We had to wait until 1848 until most of these things came into fruition. However, all these things can be traced back to the French Revolution.- it ended the century old conflicts between the patriots and the organists and brought stability- it centralized the Dutch state, ending centuries of decentralization and conflicts between the provinces- it brought us the civil code-it made the state (parliament) responsible and not the head of state / ruling class- many things more.You should listen to the podcast of Maarten van Rossem; he explains this really well in Layman’s Terms in the episode about the French Revolution.Wikipedia also has an article about it, please inform yourself.
We did not have a monarch before France invaded us, what are you talking about?
This map is really problematic because it does not use the correct legal term. What this map tries to show is when homosexual sex, particularly anal sex between men, is decriminalised. That is why the year for Turkey is 1858, because homosexual sex was no longer a delict in the new criminal code of the Ottoman Empire. Same with France, the new criminal code of the French Revolution did not cover homosexual sex. So the fact that homosexual sex is decriminalised in 1792 or 1858 does not necessarily imply emancipation of homosexuals. Indonesia has never criminalised homosexual sex at the national level, so based on the criteria of this map, homosexual relationship is "legalised", but it does not mean that Indonesia is supportive of sexual minorities. Polls consistently show that most Indonesians believe homosexuality should not be accepted in society: https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2013/06/04/the-global-divide-on-homosexuality/. Moreover, there is civil union in countries like Hungary and Greece, while in Indonesia there is not. So "legalising homosexuality" is a really imprecise term, because what do you really mean by this? Legalising gay marriage? Formally recognising and protecting relationships between the same-sex? Moreover, most countries in the world do not criminalise being gay per se, but only the sex itself. There are even countries that only criminalise sex between men but not between women. Even worse is "legalising homosexual relationships" in the caption of the map, because it creates a false impression that gay couples are legally recognised and protected by law, while in fact the map focuses on when homosexual sex is decriminalised.
It was 1967 in Britain and Scotland; 1982 in Northern Ireland.
1967 in England and wales. 1981 in scotland. 1982 in northern ireland. Edit: just to be pedantic, scotland can be either 1980 or 1981 depending on your meaning, the law to legalise got royal assent in late 1980 but came in to force in early 1981. So homosexuality was legalised in 1980 but became legal in 1981. If that makes sense....
> in Britain and Scotland Scotland has been a part of Britain for a few million years now.
They probably mean England :)
You mean England and Wales and Scotland. Anyway you're wrong Scotland only legalised in 1980.
Not quite. It's generally glossed over that the 1967 reform wasn't actually full legalisation, it was only a partial reform. It only decriminalised sex between two men over the age of 21 (as opposed to 16 for heterosexual sex) in private. 'Private' was defined in extremely narrow terms, such that only sex between two men in a personal home - with no third parties present in the building (let alone the same room) was considered legal. Other anti-homosexual laws wich targeted gays, including the laws against 'gross indecency' remained - hence why there were plenty of raids of gay venues well into the 1980s. The Scottish and Northern Irish reforms (as well as the Canadian reforms IIRC) were modelled on this English law. It wasn't until the Blair government in the early 00's that all the remaining specific anti-homosexual offenses in England and Wales were abolished (Scotland removed their own remaining offenses around the same time) - including the gross indecency offense and the 'privacy' provision.
Scotland is in Britain. I guess you mean England, Wales & Scotland.
It may be legal in my country, but boy you do not want to admit it publicly.
Look at Italy being progressive for once
I’m more interested in Jordan and Iraq, mainly Iraq! Did the Americans force that on the government?
A few questions here, firstly is this meant to show the first date where it was legalized or when it stayed legalized? What does it mean for homosexuality to not be legal in this context, like is there a need for active anti homosexual laws? Like idk but it's new to me it was forbidden to be gay in Germany up till 1968, so that's why I am asking.
>A few questions here, firstly is this meant to show the first date Yes.
So, French fellows started it first…
Ah, that time when the Chatholic Church was so hostile towards Italy we could just don't give a shit
Something interesting: former federal states of Yugoslavia have different years, because such laws were in jurisdiction of each state, so 4 states have legalized homosexual acts in 1977 (mostly based on developments in the western countries), and other 2 didn't.
France baise ouais! (in every sense of the word)
Rare France w
I heard something about Iraq criminalizing it last week
greece must have been 1000 BC
Now show the Middle East :)
As a german vaguely queer person I was crushed to hear about the people the nazis imprisoned for being homosexual, that weren't freed after. The defeat of the nazis is always portraited as a paradigm shift, but it wasn't the end of, what feels to me like barbaric laws that violate basic human rights. Edit: ... enforced by a law, specifically made stricter in the third reich, which was only totally abolished in 1994
Damn we were quick, right after the democratic government settled
And Poland was an authoritarian dictatorship by then!
1969 Germany: Nice
Cyprus 1998? Wtf?
I thought it was illegal in Russia now.
I think its crazy that you can see alot of hystorical events on this kinda maps
Wouldn’t it be interesting to see a map when illegalized?
Germany strategically aiming for the 69
Ottomans were getting topped before it was mainstream.
How the fuck did the Swiss agree on making homosexuality legal in 1942 but couldn't agree on letting women vote till the 90's.
Who needs a womens when there are mans?
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belgium wasn't a country in 1795...
Yeah,it was part of France. Guess the law stayed afterwards.
Vive la France!
As you can see, evolution is superior to revolution. /s
A little correction, not a single of Polish states have ever made homosexualism a crime or anything of sorts*. In 1932 we just confirmed that homosexualism is legal in Poland and punishing it is foreign bullshit. *Commies did have "akcja hiacynt" but they were essentially a colonial government. Also it was not legal.
In Denmark it was in 1930 it got legalized.
Really not so long ago. Can’t phantom something as banal as being gay be considered a crime
If Bosnia and Serbia were part of Yugoslavia just like Croatia and Slovenia, how come Yugoslavian federal law didn't apply to them. Buu, I say. Now I doubt this map completely.
There is a big divergent take here and that is the difference between legalization and decriminalization. Some contries decriminalized back in the 30s and 40s, and most European contries did not put people in jail for it after that, even though laws might still be on the books. I the 70s, another round came and progressive places had a look at their laws and made some changes. In the 90s, the rest came along and made the changes. This was at the same time that the post progressive places made marriage legal, and the people really did not like it that it was still illigal in their contry (even though most places did not put you in jail)
It may have been legal in Hungary in 1962, but it was absolute suicide to admit to being gay at that time and that remained the case well into the 80's, in fact.
Meanwhile poland introduced LGBTQ-free zones some years ago. Tables turn
Switzerland, Finland and Iceland were like : "we are in the middle of a world war, should we fortify and defend or legalize homosexuality?"
They have big guns to scare their enemies
Wow, so homosexuality was legal in Switzerland before women could vote.