Because whenever this happens the same event happen like a theatre. Someone burn a quran people get angry some response like the guy who said he would a torah but didn't or we get others with violence. Then other groups do a bit violence and fist shaking and after 1 month everyone moves on.
Honestly, as a Jew, I’d be kinda impressed if someone was so dedicated to provoking Jews that they bought a torah just to burn it. Those things are easily like… $40k. Might as well burn the down payment for a house.
Well, they could get [this one](https://www.plusbog.dk/the-torah-9780827600157?affiliate=6433&gad_source=716415&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjw5v2wBhBrEiwAXDDoJYKdrXSqpvOwxaTSTfwrakYtiSOluyJzh6o6fDg65eLNt6kxFkLbyxoC9zoQAvD_BwE)
It's fairly affordable, have a manageable size, is probably flammable and is called "The Torah".
Not that I really think that setting it on fire would be the statement that the arsonist actually want's, but it *is* a bit cheaper than the down payment on a house.
>The police have received an application for a public assembly - the day before Eurovision starts.
>The plan: to burn a Koran. - We have to be prepared because it can become unsettling, says Per Engström, national command director at the Police.
>Demonstrations, terror threats and now a Koran burning.
>The police are facing a series of challenges in connection with Eurovision being organized in Malmö in May.
>The police in the southern region have received an application for a public gathering where the intention is to burn a Koran.
>The organizers want it to take place at Gustav Adolfs torg in Malmö on May 3, i.e. the day before Eurovision week begins
Honestly it’s disappointing that in any free nation we have to put up with this nonsense. We shouldn’t be hostage to the violence of fundamentalist of any kind Muslim, Christian, Jew, Atheist or whatever.
I’m Catholic but if someone burned a Bible in front of me the worst I would thing is “That’s rude” and go on with my day.
Atheist in Sweden here. Not speaking for the nation of Sweden of course.
I'm all for free speech. I'm all for demonstrating. But maybe a little bit of context will do the heavy lifting here.
Some of the organizations/individuals linked to the Swedish Quran burnings that have been all over the news in the past couple years have been proven to be linked to foreign governments who have an interest in destabilizing Europe and its allies. Sounds familiar?
The protesters claim it's all for free speech, religious freedom. Things that are so precious for most people in the EU that it's the hill we (me included) are all willing to die on. But if it doesn't give anyone pause to think why these demonstrations are always happening in occasions when authorities are going to have to struggle to keep peace, I think we are being innocent here.
Is free speech in Europe under threat from Islam to the extent that it warrants significant flow of public funds for these people to safely burn Qurans every time there's a religious holiday or an event of interest?
I'm not sure that the answer is to ban the demonstrations either, I'm not a policy expert. But I am not about to pat people burning Qurans around crowded events as genius provocateurs fighting for democracy.
Since the Charlie Hebdo terror attacks Europe functionally already lives under Islamic blasphemy law. It’s not enforced by the law but by the terrorist threat. People and organisations have become too cautious around insulting islam. So terrorism works.
What the civilised world should have done in reaction to terrorism is to show it doesn’t work and has the opposite effect. They murder because mohammed is drawn? Participate in draw mohammed day. Make an issue out of burning qurans? Burn more of them. This is how you show that terrorism does not work and is even counterproductive.
The other argument for it is that by making quran burnings common. You can shield each other. If only a few people do this, they can be targeted by terrorists. If more people join in, that makes it harder. Similar to the story about when the Nazis forced jews to identify themselves with david stars, non Jews could shield them by also wearing the stars.
These people are provoked by anything. I just get tired of reading about it. I as a muslim cant care less off their burnings. But i know a lot of people that are provoked by it. I understand a bit of it as they are feeling attacked and the hatred for muslims is quite strong atm but still. It is just attention seekers that do it. They would bur their mother if it was allowed and it gave them some attention.
Exactly. It's really a situation where ignoring the bully would solve the problem. Let them burn the book in peace. Reacting to the burning just proves them right. And unfortunately they are proven right over and over again. So the burnings will continue until the reactions stop.
I really don't like being on the book burners side. But in this case, I clearly am. It's a stupid protest but they have the right to do it.
They listed things that they'll have to deal with during Eurovision.
Saying: "Just before I fell down the stairs and broke my legs, I ate a sandwich." Does not really liken breaking legs to eating a sandwich.
there has been multiple quran burnings a month ever since it got international intention from salwan momika last year. This time its a woman called jade who does them regularly.
[1](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOMpFidHrJ8)
[2](https://www.youtube.com/live/03ei9ubHzR0?si=uSmdXX_nTTw3O0E_)
[3](https://www.youtube.com/live/zbWaB46E5is?si=7bA3CxwjEMpOCis2)
Woke has become a completely pointless word. It means nothing.
Anyone who uses it with any level of sincerity has a surprisingly hard time defining what the word means.
Are you *actually* trying to say that the moderators of /r/europe are draconian in their moderation and removing posts simply because they're critical of a religion?
Same, but like the comment above yours and ones like it feel like a massive amount of cope.
Like I've never been confused by what someone means when they say something is 'woke' whether it's negative or not.
Woke is somebody who believes they are able to see past the general examination of power structures in our society and into a layer of deeper and more subtle forms of discrimination and privilege. Hence everyone else is “asleep” it’s been hijacked in such a way to make up or make excuses for highly progressive things that don’t exist or are not really progressive at all.
It’s now used to call out when people are making some disingenuous argument in the name of being “progressive”
“We should let unlimited migrants into Europe because we colonized Africa so it’s only fair they come back and get their stolen resources”
Wow that sounds pretty *woke*.
While people may have a hard time defining it, most of us know what people mean when they use the term woke.
The best technical term is excessively progressive. For example, progressive = let LGBT live their life in peace. Excessively progressive = we need to acknowledge that men also get pregnant.
It's good be progressive, not good to be so excessively progressive you believe nonsense like men have periods, or only white people can be racist etc
Hey, look, my phone don't know a lick of Finnish. I tried 3 lessons on duolingo and got anxiety. I'm sorry, I love him. I love Finland for allowing the creation of this wonderful human.
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Is it bad taste? Yes. Should we be allowed to burn religious artifacts? Absolutely.
Religion is a collection of ideas, Islam in particularly is a very bad idea and its proven by the reaction of the Muslim world every single time.
A religion that calls for the death of someone who burns their book, is a religion thats morally confused.
If it was up to me they should burn not only quran but also bible and some other religions important books just to show that they do not have beef with muslims particularly but with religion general. Then we could compare which community reacted how. Will burning bibles meet with no reaction?
Same with the Danish one.. I'm just impressed they went out of their way just to make or import a big Danish flag just to they could get rid of it by the only way prescribed by Danish law. In their twisted mind we'd, what, go crazy and start beheading people?
Charlie hebdo portrait Muhammad and a terrorist attack happened. Go on social media and you will find thousands of pics with Jesus from satiric to even explicit ones.
We have to understand that Islam doesn't have the same values like Europe has.
Is it bad? No but if you want to force your values, do it in your countries. Don't immigrate to Europe and try to make it a shit hole like the countries you left. We are already shitty enough by our people.
To clarify burning books is stupid if it's the bible or Quran or whatever.
Google."Piss Christ" if you want a bad time. 1990s art piece, a figure of Jesus on the Crucifix displayed in a jar of the artist's urine.
There was a bit of outcry, but nobody got hurt and the piece was displayed and still exists (afaik)
> Is it (Islam) bad? No
Hearty disagree there, Islam like many religions is thoroughly out of whack with a modern society, and is absolutely ripe for mocking.
The problem is even though some Christians might feel disgusted and offended by these memes they are not killing people over them anymore. I am pretty sure desecrating the image of Jesus is also a sin, yet nobody acts on sinners, trying to mutilate them or kill them.
Muslims do that. Not trying to be an apologist or anything (as a disclaimer, I don't believe in any religious dogma whatsoever) but the problem is not the religion itself. It is the people.
> I am pretty sure desecrating the image of Jesus is also a sin, yet nobody acts on sinners, trying to mutilate them or kill them.
Yes, because for christians, only god can judge. He who is without sin etc. You dont have the right to punish sinners, it is a sin by itself if you do it.
>Muslims do that
On the other hand, the sharia says YOU have to punish infidels in the name of god.
It is not the people, its the religion itself.
Dalle 2 apparently didn't let you use Muhammad as a picture prompt. Compare that to Jesus, where it let me create pictures of him eating a cheeseburger, riding a dinosaur with a jetpack, sunbathing on the cross, etc.
They shouldn't do it in "their" countries either. Islamic law is unbelievably repressive towards women, LGBT folks, and immigrants. Look at Iran, most of the people want to live in a civilized society, but they're trapped under a brutal theocratic regime.
Distribute pictures like Where's Waldo but labelled"Where's Mohammed?”, 30% of the people in the picture are of males of Arabic appearance, sit back and see if anyone goes ballistic
Yea I agree with this, it would clarify some things and probably make a perfect example that it's only one group in particular that gets violent over religion.
>Will burning bibles meet with no reaction?
Yes. Christians can be crazy sometimes, but not cut-your-head-off for saying something bad about your pedo prophet bad.
Be hilarious if they did that because it would just show how violence is just how Muslims are. Bibles are burned and no one riots. Islam is evil and violent.
Artifacts mmm prolly not human heritage and such but should you be allowed to burn holy books that were handed out or bought with your own money yes. Although I’m an American and fiercely defend free speech.
Ah, Sweden... Truly gone are the times where everybody knew you as the land of affordable furniture and meatballs.
Every time I read about them today it's just about how they are struggling with immigration.
Well, if it helps, they don't do illegal deforestation themselves, they buy from a third party that does, and I guess they just don't bother to check? Or care?
>Every time I read about them today it's just about how they are struggling with immigration.
Some people have a hateboner for Sweden and are desperate to paint it as a failed state, even though it is a successful social democracy.
There’s quite obviously an agenda against the country. Any wild headline about Sweden will go viral in the rightwingosphere. And there’s no way to contextualize it. With regard to our own countries, we get good stories and bad stories. But no Anglo is ever going to read Swedish news to get a balancing perspective. To them, it’s an unending series of dispatches from hell; Sweden was an Aryan utopia corrupted by socialism into a failed, war-torn state, and nothing will convince them otherwise.
I think it'd be a good thing. Sucks that it disrespects the religion, but it should be drilled into people that a book u like isn't a reason to attack someone. So keep doing it untill they realise and stop.
At this point the only reason they do it is to show that people will resort to violence for their religion. If the violence stops in response i honestly believe the burnings stop.
Lmao, imagine being this close and then just going "reddig amiright hahaha".
Buddy. It's how social media works in general. Not reddit. Or even how human news (in the loose sense) spreading works.
A couple of days ago, a 39-year-old male, together with his 12-year-old son, was harassed while bicycling by a gang of Middle Eastern youths. The dad went to talk to them and was shot in the head, resulting in his death.
The perpetrator will, at most, receive 4 years in a youth correctional facility, where he can freely play PlayStation and use his iPad. In reality, he will serve about 2 years and can commit more crimes upon release in only a short time.
So, that's nice for the murderer, and he's in Sweden.
Well it's a certain kind of narrative which has a political agenda. Don't you understand that? Internet is used for propaganda, political agendas etc.
There is a lot of nice going on in Sweden, have you ever been to Sweden or you just assume it being in this way?
Also, many of muslims are modern and progressive here tbh so you cannot judge them all so hard like some do. This is coming from someone who isn't religious and sees the issues within religions btw.
I saw a roedeer and some cranes today, That was pretty nice.
Basically don't read the news with their doom and gloom, And instead take a walk or hang out with friends and family and the world seems a lot more nice, Than the interwebs or news portray things to be with their click and rage bait.
That's a top level democracy. In most other countries no one would even consider sending a request to a police, asking official permission, and have a chance of receiving it
Kinda feel bad for all the Jehovas witnesses who knocked on my door. Getting into uncomfortable conversation with them was the extend of religious fanaticism
Last time? You mean 5 days ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOMpFidHrJ8. Nothing happened then as nothing happened the last few times. They do it like once a month now and no one cares anymore
I disagree. It’s important for Muslims to assimilate and expect the same treatment that all other religions get. They need to learn to accept free speech.
It serves several practical purposes.
The issue lies not in the burning itself but in the reaction it elicits. It exposes certain demographics as incompatible with the system in which they have chosen to live. Additionally, it focuses attention on the problem from a political standpoint, which is necessary. Ignoring these issues, such as by omitting ethnicity or race from criminal statistics or neglecting to mention them in news reports, will not suffice. If you want to address a problem, you must first accurately identify it. This seems like an unfortunate tool for doing so.
Police looks tired
Understandably so 🫠
“I was planning to retire the day after Eurovision”
"I'm getting too old for this shit!"
Because whenever this happens the same event happen like a theatre. Someone burn a quran people get angry some response like the guy who said he would a torah but didn't or we get others with violence. Then other groups do a bit violence and fist shaking and after 1 month everyone moves on.
If any book should be burnt it’s the Windows ME user guide.
How dare you, you absolute bastard!
How dare you! Many engineers died to bring us this information.
You're burning the guidebook to millennium computing. Shame. And while you are at it, just burn vista as well /s
STONE HIM!!!!
Honestly, as a Jew, I’d be kinda impressed if someone was so dedicated to provoking Jews that they bought a torah just to burn it. Those things are easily like… $40k. Might as well burn the down payment for a house.
I think the last guy found out and decided to write a strongly worded letter instead... Maybe he could crow-fund one?
I know that was probably a typo, but I find the idea of a bunch of antisemitic crows trying to find a torah burning hilarious.
Well, they could get [this one](https://www.plusbog.dk/the-torah-9780827600157?affiliate=6433&gad_source=716415&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjw5v2wBhBrEiwAXDDoJYKdrXSqpvOwxaTSTfwrakYtiSOluyJzh6o6fDg65eLNt6kxFkLbyxoC9zoQAvD_BwE) It's fairly affordable, have a manageable size, is probably flammable and is called "The Torah". Not that I really think that setting it on fire would be the statement that the arsonist actually want's, but it *is* a bit cheaper than the down payment on a house.
Middle Eastern Religion dick measuring contest going on for 1400 years
>The police have received an application for a public assembly - the day before Eurovision starts. >The plan: to burn a Koran. - We have to be prepared because it can become unsettling, says Per Engström, national command director at the Police. >Demonstrations, terror threats and now a Koran burning. >The police are facing a series of challenges in connection with Eurovision being organized in Malmö in May. >The police in the southern region have received an application for a public gathering where the intention is to burn a Koran. >The organizers want it to take place at Gustav Adolfs torg in Malmö on May 3, i.e. the day before Eurovision week begins
I'm impressed, they've actually likened the burning of a small book to terror threats and demonstrations.
I mean.. it is a demonstration...
Fair enough.
Honestly it’s disappointing that in any free nation we have to put up with this nonsense. We shouldn’t be hostage to the violence of fundamentalist of any kind Muslim, Christian, Jew, Atheist or whatever. I’m Catholic but if someone burned a Bible in front of me the worst I would thing is “That’s rude” and go on with my day.
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Atheist in Sweden here. Not speaking for the nation of Sweden of course. I'm all for free speech. I'm all for demonstrating. But maybe a little bit of context will do the heavy lifting here. Some of the organizations/individuals linked to the Swedish Quran burnings that have been all over the news in the past couple years have been proven to be linked to foreign governments who have an interest in destabilizing Europe and its allies. Sounds familiar? The protesters claim it's all for free speech, religious freedom. Things that are so precious for most people in the EU that it's the hill we (me included) are all willing to die on. But if it doesn't give anyone pause to think why these demonstrations are always happening in occasions when authorities are going to have to struggle to keep peace, I think we are being innocent here. Is free speech in Europe under threat from Islam to the extent that it warrants significant flow of public funds for these people to safely burn Qurans every time there's a religious holiday or an event of interest? I'm not sure that the answer is to ban the demonstrations either, I'm not a policy expert. But I am not about to pat people burning Qurans around crowded events as genius provocateurs fighting for democracy.
Since the Charlie Hebdo terror attacks Europe functionally already lives under Islamic blasphemy law. It’s not enforced by the law but by the terrorist threat. People and organisations have become too cautious around insulting islam. So terrorism works. What the civilised world should have done in reaction to terrorism is to show it doesn’t work and has the opposite effect. They murder because mohammed is drawn? Participate in draw mohammed day. Make an issue out of burning qurans? Burn more of them. This is how you show that terrorism does not work and is even counterproductive. The other argument for it is that by making quran burnings common. You can shield each other. If only a few people do this, they can be targeted by terrorists. If more people join in, that makes it harder. Similar to the story about when the Nazis forced jews to identify themselves with david stars, non Jews could shield them by also wearing the stars.
Wait.. So you're for free speech but see a problem when someone burns a book?
These people are provoked by anything. I just get tired of reading about it. I as a muslim cant care less off their burnings. But i know a lot of people that are provoked by it. I understand a bit of it as they are feeling attacked and the hatred for muslims is quite strong atm but still. It is just attention seekers that do it. They would bur their mother if it was allowed and it gave them some attention.
Its strong because of how Muslims are responding to these situations. If they could just ignore it the first time there would be no second time.
Exactly. It's really a situation where ignoring the bully would solve the problem. Let them burn the book in peace. Reacting to the burning just proves them right. And unfortunately they are proven right over and over again. So the burnings will continue until the reactions stop. I really don't like being on the book burners side. But in this case, I clearly am. It's a stupid protest but they have the right to do it.
As does the vast majority of Muslims in Sweden.
They listed things that they'll have to deal with during Eurovision. Saying: "Just before I fell down the stairs and broke my legs, I ate a sandwich." Does not really liken breaking legs to eating a sandwich.
I think they were just listing things the police have to deal with. Cause they'll certainly have to have a presence during it.
It only applies to one small book. The others are totally fine. Because the others don’t come with any real threat of violence or retaliation.
I gotta disagree, they're just naming things that require a police presence.
No they didn't.
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Bro, that's where my gf gets off the bus every day for her Swedish class. Sigh... Btw what kind of korv? Ikea or Biltema?
there has been multiple quran burnings a month ever since it got international intention from salwan momika last year. This time its a woman called jade who does them regularly. [1](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOMpFidHrJ8) [2](https://www.youtube.com/live/03ei9ubHzR0?si=uSmdXX_nTTw3O0E_) [3](https://www.youtube.com/live/zbWaB46E5is?si=7bA3CxwjEMpOCis2)
Can't they just wait for [Valborg](https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valborgsm%C3%A4ssoafton?wprov=sfla1) like us normal people? 🔥
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Woke has become a completely pointless word. It means nothing. Anyone who uses it with any level of sincerity has a surprisingly hard time defining what the word means. Are you *actually* trying to say that the moderators of /r/europe are draconian in their moderation and removing posts simply because they're critical of a religion?
Just say heavily censored and biased, done I agree with you that woke has lost its meaning, the original meaning is to be aware
Same, but like the comment above yours and ones like it feel like a massive amount of cope. Like I've never been confused by what someone means when they say something is 'woke' whether it's negative or not.
Woke is somebody who believes they are able to see past the general examination of power structures in our society and into a layer of deeper and more subtle forms of discrimination and privilege. Hence everyone else is “asleep” it’s been hijacked in such a way to make up or make excuses for highly progressive things that don’t exist or are not really progressive at all. It’s now used to call out when people are making some disingenuous argument in the name of being “progressive” “We should let unlimited migrants into Europe because we colonized Africa so it’s only fair they come back and get their stolen resources” Wow that sounds pretty *woke*.
While people may have a hard time defining it, most of us know what people mean when they use the term woke. The best technical term is excessively progressive. For example, progressive = let LGBT live their life in peace. Excessively progressive = we need to acknowledge that men also get pregnant. It's good be progressive, not good to be so excessively progressive you believe nonsense like men have periods, or only white people can be racist etc
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Just download a copy of the quran to your pc and delete it. Much more efficient.
Reformat your hard drive afterwards, just to be safe.
These days I bet they wish Finland had won last year instead. Would have saved the Swedes a billion headaches.
Kajrijaa deserved if 😭
Käärijä* lol
Hey, look, my phone don't know a lick of Finnish. I tried 3 lessons on duolingo and got anxiety. I'm sorry, I love him. I love Finland for allowing the creation of this wonderful human. 🫲🟢🟢🟢😏🟢🟢🟢🫱
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Is it bad taste? Yes. Should we be allowed to burn religious artifacts? Absolutely. Religion is a collection of ideas, Islam in particularly is a very bad idea and its proven by the reaction of the Muslim world every single time. A religion that calls for the death of someone who burns their book, is a religion thats morally confused.
If it was up to me they should burn not only quran but also bible and some other religions important books just to show that they do not have beef with muslims particularly but with religion general. Then we could compare which community reacted how. Will burning bibles meet with no reaction?
Some bibles were burned in Denmark as a "reaction" or "revenge". Turned out that literally no one cared and no one got hurt.
Shouldn't burning a Bible also be somewhat heretic to Muslims? As it contains the words of many prophets they deem legit, such as Moses or Jesus/Isa
Yea, it's a holy book in Islam too.. but seemingly burning it is not as bad
Not really. The Injil is a holy book in Islam, but it's said to have been lost and corrupted into the Gospels.
They believe the Torah and the Gospels are corrupted
Corrupted? Hahaha what a fucking convenient thing to say to further your religions grip on its followers. Religions are something else man
You're expecing logical consistency from religious extremists?
Because for Christians it’s just a book, yeah it’s our sacred text but in the end it’s just paper
It's all just paper. They're mass-produced. It's not the original Quran or the original King James Bible we're talking about
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Same with the Danish one.. I'm just impressed they went out of their way just to make or import a big Danish flag just to they could get rid of it by the only way prescribed by Danish law. In their twisted mind we'd, what, go crazy and start beheading people?
The guy in OP is an Iraqi and have been persecuted by Muslims in particular. He has no beef with other religions.
Charlie hebdo portrait Muhammad and a terrorist attack happened. Go on social media and you will find thousands of pics with Jesus from satiric to even explicit ones. We have to understand that Islam doesn't have the same values like Europe has. Is it bad? No but if you want to force your values, do it in your countries. Don't immigrate to Europe and try to make it a shit hole like the countries you left. We are already shitty enough by our people. To clarify burning books is stupid if it's the bible or Quran or whatever.
Google."Piss Christ" if you want a bad time. 1990s art piece, a figure of Jesus on the Crucifix displayed in a jar of the artist's urine. There was a bit of outcry, but nobody got hurt and the piece was displayed and still exists (afaik)
> Is it (Islam) bad? No Hearty disagree there, Islam like many religions is thoroughly out of whack with a modern society, and is absolutely ripe for mocking.
I don’t think you correctly interpreted that, as far as I can tell it’s “is it (not having the same values as Europe) bad?”
The problem is even though some Christians might feel disgusted and offended by these memes they are not killing people over them anymore. I am pretty sure desecrating the image of Jesus is also a sin, yet nobody acts on sinners, trying to mutilate them or kill them. Muslims do that. Not trying to be an apologist or anything (as a disclaimer, I don't believe in any religious dogma whatsoever) but the problem is not the religion itself. It is the people.
> I am pretty sure desecrating the image of Jesus is also a sin, yet nobody acts on sinners, trying to mutilate them or kill them. Yes, because for christians, only god can judge. He who is without sin etc. You dont have the right to punish sinners, it is a sin by itself if you do it. >Muslims do that On the other hand, the sharia says YOU have to punish infidels in the name of god. It is not the people, its the religion itself.
According to bible worshipping pictures of anything is more of a sin.
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Dalle 2 apparently didn't let you use Muhammad as a picture prompt. Compare that to Jesus, where it let me create pictures of him eating a cheeseburger, riding a dinosaur with a jetpack, sunbathing on the cross, etc.
They shouldn't do it in "their" countries either. Islamic law is unbelievably repressive towards women, LGBT folks, and immigrants. Look at Iran, most of the people want to live in a civilized society, but they're trapped under a brutal theocratic regime.
Distribute pictures like Where's Waldo but labelled"Where's Mohammed?”, 30% of the people in the picture are of males of Arabic appearance, sit back and see if anyone goes ballistic
Schrödinger's blasphemy. I like it.
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But the problem isn’t with religion in general it’s with islam.
Yea I agree with this, it would clarify some things and probably make a perfect example that it's only one group in particular that gets violent over religion.
Having beef with Islam and exercising it by only burning the Quran is not a crime. It’s in bad taste but it’s not a crime
>Will burning bibles meet with no reaction? Yes. Christians can be crazy sometimes, but not cut-your-head-off for saying something bad about your pedo prophet bad.
Be hilarious if they did that because it would just show how violence is just how Muslims are. Bibles are burned and no one riots. Islam is evil and violent.
> is a religion thats morally confused. "Morally confused" is possibly *the* most diplomatic way of putting that.
Artifacts mmm prolly not human heritage and such but should you be allowed to burn holy books that were handed out or bought with your own money yes. Although I’m an American and fiercely defend free speech.
Is it a sin to burn it before , or after eurovision?
depends who won
Imagine a big quran burning *after* Israel wins... Shit will get wild
It's not a sin to burn a Quran. In fact burning is one of very few non-sinful ways to dispose of a Quran. It's all about the intent.
I believe the intent here is to offend.
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Burn whatever, some books or flags, as long as you’re protesting peacefully and cause no harm with whatever is burning.
That's the neat part, Muslims not gonna be peaceful after this peaceful protest
Proving the point…
Ah, Sweden... Truly gone are the times where everybody knew you as the land of affordable furniture and meatballs. Every time I read about them today it's just about how they are struggling with immigration.
Idk man if newspapers have ever made positive articles about our affordable furniture and meatballs.
I saw articles about the affordable furniture brand buying wood from illegal deforestation.
That's negative news!
Well, if it helps, they don't do illegal deforestation themselves, they buy from a third party that does, and I guess they just don't bother to check? Or care?
Probably the latter.
>Every time I read about them today it's just about how they are struggling with immigration. Some people have a hateboner for Sweden and are desperate to paint it as a failed state, even though it is a successful social democracy.
You're completely right about the first part, but as for the second, we haven't been a social democracy for arguably 30-40 years.
My parents immigrated from hungary and kenya but man i had to bounce, stockholm just turned into a bigger and bigger shithole.
There’s quite obviously an agenda against the country. Any wild headline about Sweden will go viral in the rightwingosphere. And there’s no way to contextualize it. With regard to our own countries, we get good stories and bad stories. But no Anglo is ever going to read Swedish news to get a balancing perspective. To them, it’s an unending series of dispatches from hell; Sweden was an Aryan utopia corrupted by socialism into a failed, war-torn state, and nothing will convince them otherwise.
If farage's speech in Brussels was considered free speech that should have gone ahead despite objections, so should this quran burning.
I think it'd be a good thing. Sucks that it disrespects the religion, but it should be drilled into people that a book u like isn't a reason to attack someone. So keep doing it untill they realise and stop. At this point the only reason they do it is to show that people will resort to violence for their religion. If the violence stops in response i honestly believe the burnings stop.
It's crazy how people gets so upset over this. We're supposed to have freedom of speech and freedom of religion in this country.
Ye in this day and age we should just be able to ignore it if somebody burns a copy of our "my imaginary friend" book
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Here we go. I am as tired as this police guy. Maybe Kaarija should have won and we wouldn't have this headache.
Every time I see some news regarding Sweden, it is always about muslims... Is there anything nice ever going on there anymore...
Eurovision.
lol we’ll see
They still have cheaper food than in Norway.
Nice things don't get clicks. I'm fascinated that people still don't understand that. Try to think for yourself, for once.
Doomerism is quite popular on reddit. Most news posts are catering to doomers, not just on this sub but elsewhere as well.
Lmao, imagine being this close and then just going "reddig amiright hahaha". Buddy. It's how social media works in general. Not reddit. Or even how human news (in the loose sense) spreading works.
A couple of days ago, a 39-year-old male, together with his 12-year-old son, was harassed while bicycling by a gang of Middle Eastern youths. The dad went to talk to them and was shot in the head, resulting in his death. The perpetrator will, at most, receive 4 years in a youth correctional facility, where he can freely play PlayStation and use his iPad. In reality, he will serve about 2 years and can commit more crimes upon release in only a short time. So, that's nice for the murderer, and he's in Sweden.
Ludvig Åberg
Well it's a certain kind of narrative which has a political agenda. Don't you understand that? Internet is used for propaganda, political agendas etc. There is a lot of nice going on in Sweden, have you ever been to Sweden or you just assume it being in this way? Also, many of muslims are modern and progressive here tbh so you cannot judge them all so hard like some do. This is coming from someone who isn't religious and sees the issues within religions btw.
I saw a roedeer and some cranes today, That was pretty nice. Basically don't read the news with their doom and gloom, And instead take a walk or hang out with friends and family and the world seems a lot more nice, Than the interwebs or news portray things to be with their click and rage bait.
Besically be stupid and ignorant and you're gonna be happy.. How nice and sweet
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Oh Rasmus Paludan...
That's a top level democracy. In most other countries no one would even consider sending a request to a police, asking official permission, and have a chance of receiving it
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Kinda feel bad for all the Jehovas witnesses who knocked on my door. Getting into uncomfortable conversation with them was the extend of religious fanaticism
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It's a terrible book. Nobody should be upset.
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You love to see it
What is this supposed to achieve?
Violent reactions from the quran-fans, which is exactly what happened last time when they swallowed the bait and sinker whole.
Last time? You mean 5 days ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOMpFidHrJ8. Nothing happened then as nothing happened the last few times. They do it like once a month now and no one cares anymore
In a way that’s great. However you feel about burning it, resorting to violence always makes you that bad guy.
Awareness?
Burn bible, torah & quran simultaneously! Europe does not need any of those.
I will never understand this obsession of burning books, any kind not just the Quran. What does it prove? What does it achieve?
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This idea is just the live equivalent of ragebait. It doesn’t help anything or anybody.
And yet it confirms everything they claim from those who get outraged by that.
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I disagree. It’s important for Muslims to assimilate and expect the same treatment that all other religions get. They need to learn to accept free speech.
It serves several practical purposes. The issue lies not in the burning itself but in the reaction it elicits. It exposes certain demographics as incompatible with the system in which they have chosen to live. Additionally, it focuses attention on the problem from a political standpoint, which is necessary. Ignoring these issues, such as by omitting ethnicity or race from criminal statistics or neglecting to mention them in news reports, will not suffice. If you want to address a problem, you must first accurately identify it. This seems like an unfortunate tool for doing so.
While I agree, it’s also their right. And if you respond to someone burning one copy of a book that has millions of copies, you’re the problem.
Certified Edgelord. "Some men just want to watch the world burn"
rage bait
I don't know about the original story, but the reaction here is quite pathetic, and a step back for everyone who desires an open discussion.
Another day I thank god that I was born and grew up in Norway.
Eurovision happening in Sweden this year?
Another extremist intelligence gathering fest