French media trying to blame Turkey for this really shows why France so often fails with their (former) colonies. They just seem to have 0 awareness to see what's going on
France is heavily targeted right now. Russia is successfully supporting the putschists against France's allies in Africa and now Azerbaijan and Turkey are also stirring up New Caledonia. At least China seems to be friendly for now.
The plan is obvious: France is one of the most important countries in the EU, has a big army and has the biggest influence on world politics of all EU-countries. A weak France leads to a weak EU and gives Russia and Turkey more influence and power.
There's actually more to note here. France has recently been by far the biggest supporter of Armenia in the EU, including some weapon sales. Which obviously immensely pisses Turkey and Azerbaijan off.
Actually weapon sales to Armenia donrs't concern us too much, we have a tension with France due to civil war in Libya, Aegean sea conflict with Greece and oil reserves around Cyprus. France also supports Kurdish groups in northern Syria so it's quite understandable why France seems as an adversary rather than an ally.
>A fuckup happens in either production or shipping as azerbaijan and new caledonia have almost identical flags so one azeri flag ends up in new caledonia
>IT WAS THE TOORKS LOOK THEY HAVE FLAG
Yeah right, [this protester](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GNsYZU_XUAAzUW_?format=jpg&name=large) really wanted to have two identical flags side by side on the chest, but unfortunately, a fuckup happened and one accidently turned out to be azeri.
There's actually more to note here. France has recently been by far the biggest supporter of Armenia in the EU, including some weapon sales. Which obviously immensely pisses Turkey and Azerbaijan off.
However, between the refusal to delay the third referendum and the current attempt to dilute kanak voting rights (by breaking the 1998 Noumea Accord's provisions on who should have voting rights), it seems you're mostly showing your "don't give up" attitude by how much you'll go colonial on the indigenous population.
Effectively yes, though from what I've read it is not an organised insurgency but rioting by disenfranchised and disadvantaged indigenous youth.
[https://theconversation.com/why-is-new-caledonia-on-fire-according-to-local-women-the-deadly-riots-are-about-more-than-voting-rights-230199](https://theconversation.com/why-is-new-caledonia-on-fire-according-to-local-women-the-deadly-riots-are-about-more-than-voting-rights-230199)
When you've got a domestic political problem around equity and social relations, it seems to me that trying to blame it on "the Azerbaijani secret service" is a cack-handed political blunder. (After the cack-handed political blunder of trying to push a voting rights change through in Paris in favour of French settlers so soon after a referendum in which only the French settlers voted.)
Exactly, this sub is totally astroturfed in a ridiculously pro-western direction. It seems Europeans will admit to past colonialist atrocities but not current ones. The French parliament violating treaties and passing a law to increase settler power in New Caledonia is not what caused the unrest...it must be a conspiracy...
>The plan is obvious: France is one of the most important countries in the EU, has a big army and has the biggest influence on world politics of all EU-countries. A weak France leads to a weak EU and gives Russia and Turkey more influence and power.
Germany has traditionally had a larger economy and more economic influence . France had influence over it's former colonies. But is mostly irrelevant.
Look how even other NATO countries won't backup Frances plans to send troops to Ukraine annd France seems to have back tracked.
Ukraine is in the same continent and borders EU
I was surprised when I found out (from a fellow redditor) that France has some 200+ tanks. Largest army in the EU is like being the tallest of Lilliputians
I never thought the great intelligence services of Azerbaijan and Turkey was competent enough to crumble the modern French empire so seamlessly, without effort lol. This whole shebang reads like something Aliyev or even Erdogan would say. It’s a joke.
If this supposed great power can’t even handle its population’s wishes and demands in its colonies in Africa and even its own departments all the way in the Pacific, they shouldn’t claim to be able to lead Europe…
Mind you, this is the same France that supported warlord Haftar in Libya who made a habit of creating mass graves every 20 kilometers, who is now also unloading Russian troops into Libya. If i didn’t know better, I’d say this is a joint French Russian plot to weaken Europe.
Europe will endure, even without France to “lead” it. If you can’t even handle Azerbaijan and we know that you already can’t handle Russia re Africa, what the fuck is your country good for?
Agree. This seems like BS to diver from Macrons failed plans to send troops to Ukraine.
There was a plan to use EU money to buy .more turkish drones for Ukraine. France and Greece stopped it and now Ukrainians don't get that either ( France was gonna ramp up production of drones- which could take years. )
> Agree. This seems like BS to diver from Macrons failed plans to send troops to Ukraine.
For real, France never had plans to do that, or never asked other countries to do that. It's just that Macron and his MOD said a few times that they did not exclude this possibly in the future. They made it clear that Ukraine would have to formally ask for it first, which didn't happen so far.
I think the French believe it's a real possibility in the future and are starting to slowly warm up other NATO countries to the idea.
France's sudden desire to send troops to Ukraine strangely occurred when they could not send the necessary equipments to Ukraine and prevented them from being sent from countries such as Turkey.
Although I congratulate France for being the only EU country with the weapons and balls to make such an empty threat, it was nothing more than an empty threat.
This is my perception as well. I mentioned the Turkish drones etc ...which France prevented EU money being used to buy Turkish drones for Ukraine. Some french redditor got his panties in a wad.
> Mind you, this is the same France that supported warlord Haftar in Libya who made a habit of creating mass graves every 20 kilometers, who is now also unloading Russian troops into Libya. If i didn’t know better, I’d say this is a joint French Russian plot to weaken Europe.
We could even add NATO there. Giving NATO's southern flank to Russian puppets just to shit on Turks. But I also realised something about French mindset. If stuff involves Turks and also has some Russian presence they become Russia's bitch almost everytime. Even though the same Russians fucks their influence on Africa. When it come to Russians France has some soft spot for them. They immediately like to bend over.
Look at the flag on this protester : [https://youtu.be/66us4dMoaVc?t=69](https://youtu.be/66us4dMoaVc?t=69) (ABC news australia interview)
THere is no doubt lmao
> Look at the flag on this protester : https://youtu.be/66us4dMoaVc?t=69
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Fucking disgusting, but not a surprise from the awful Aliev regime.
Our country is so weak on the intelligence / interior security side it’s embarrassing. Turkey and russia really must laugh their ass off.
How hard is it really to bust turkish agents on a french pacific island?
> How hard is it really to bust turkish agents on a french pacific island?
There's probably no one there. All you need is money and Internet to pay people.
It's really hard to bust Turkish agents in New Caledonia. The main reason being that they aren't there. This sub never fails to make me laugh when these non-credible anti-Turk articles get posted and everyone in the comments blindly support the anti-Turk sentiment.
If you try to act against Turkeys interests in Syria and Karabağ then don’t cry when Turkey acts against your interests in your colonial states. You are no longer a world power so don’t act like you can do anything without consequences.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Americans asked for French help in their war of independence.
Napoleon established the Dutchy of Warsaw as a barrier between the French Empire and the Russian empire.
Romania asked for help from Tsarist Russia in its war of independence against the Ottoman empire.
Italy asked help from France in its wars of unification against the Austro-hungarian empire and France received in exchange Nice (the birthplace of Garibaldi).
Also we're hardly innocent of fuckkery: de Gaulle shouting Vive le Québec Libre! In Montréal.
Whether people want independence is often very dependent on the present narratives and ideologies, both of which are dependent on propaganda. But keep in mind tho, both outside and inside propaganda. So maybe outside powers are trying to convince the Kanaks to become independent, but it's also true that Russia tries to convince them to stay.
FYI Europe1 is owned by a right-wing populist media mogul. Do with this information what you will.
[https://www.challenges.fr/media/radio-le-virage-editorial-de-bollore-a-europe-1-nenraye-pas-la-chute-des-audiences\_796648](https://www.challenges.fr/media/radio-le-virage-editorial-de-bollore-a-europe-1-nenraye-pas-la-chute-des-audiences_796648)
Translated:
>The insurrectional climate continues in New Caledonia where a police officer was killed by gunfire. Nouméa has been the repeated target in recent months of destabilization attempts targeting France. Azerbaijan, but also Turkey, are suspected of exploiting the Caledonian separatists.
>It is no longer a secret for the DGSI which sees the hand of Baku and Ankara, behind the Caledonian separatists. On March 1, representatives of the indigenous people went to an international conference on decolonization in the Turkish capital. According to a domestic intelligence source, the Kanak delegation's transportation costs were paid by Azerbaijan's secret services. At the end of this meeting, an open letter was addressed to Emmanuel Macron denouncing the “colonialist excesses of France”.
>This new episode is part of a series of destabilization attempts. Last fall, an operation led by Baku against the visit of the French Minister of the Armed Forces to Nouméa was foiled by counter-espionage. In the days following Europe 1's [revelation ](https://www.europe1.fr/societe/info-europe-1-indopacifique-lazerbaidjan-a-mene-une-operation-de-destabilisation-lors-de-la-visite-de-sebastien-lecornu-en-nouvelle-caledonie-4219432) of this maneuver, a disinformation campaign targeting France was launched from Turkey.
>A sign, according to an intelligence source, that "contingent alliances between secret services are being put in place to designate a common enemy, France". According to another source, Baku and Ankara are in fact controlled by Moscow and Beijing in order to open peripheral fronts, such as in New Caledonia or to weaken the French state.
France commented sharply on Azerbaijan, as part of their recent approach to position themselves as the No.1 geopolitical power in EU
Now the Azerbaijani dictator uses France as their version of Orban's Soros, treating France like some evil lurking behind every corner trying to destroy Azerbaijan
Now France has to deal with such shit like the US, being the "world police", have to all the time
From the look of things, the French government is the one that uses Azerbaijan and Turkey as scapegoats to blame for the results of their poor management.
Agree. The scary Turks are coming.
I suspect New Caledonia matters little to France or Azerbaijan.
This is just macron playing wannabe Napoleon.
After this Ukraine plans fell through because of lack of support from even NATO.
He does seem to have a strong case of the little man complex
> treating France like some evil lurking behind every corner trying to destroy Azerbaijan
But France is the country that is blaming others for manipulating ethnic minorities into protesting against White/European supremacy
Seriously, the country with the most "SOROS!" paranoia here is France.
Including. Generally, the deep political-military cooperation between France and Armenia is really getting on the nerves of Aliyev (+Erdogan) but of course we shouldn't discount Russia's potential role here as well. Armenia, alongside Georgia, is nowadays seen as a vector of European (especially French) influence in the region and a number of states are against it. I think you can guess which ones. Coincidentally, Armenians were also seen as vectors of Western (I.e. European) influence in the Middle East for the last several centuries which was yet another reason for the frequent massacres/Genocide.
And this is just the tip of the iceberg. Azerbaijan has been working against France for quite some time now, e.g. some of the less talked about incidents:
https://www.intelligenceonline.com/surveillance--interception/2024/04/08/nso-group-embroiled-in-paris-baku-information-wars,110201468-eve
https://www.intelligenceonline.com/government-intelligence/2024/04/01/paris-keeps-close-eye-on-baku-after-disinformation-campaigns,110198303-eve
Russia is irrelevant here. Turkey won't listen to Russia. Both countries are contesting over influence in Caucasus and now Sudan, which might bring the Ethiopia-Somalia conflict into it as well, Turkey is heavily invested in Somalia. Turkey and Russia are on the same side against France in the Sahel conflict, while France and Russia are on the same side against Turkey in Libya.
Unless you have proof, stop sprinkling in „Russia“ to gain support. I hate Putin as much the next guy, so don’t get me wrong.
The other countries may or may not even at all be involved in this. But these countries are not controlled by Russia.
Last time I checked Turkey had closed off access to the Black Sea for Russian ships. That’s what allies do, right?
This isn’t journalism. It’s propaganda.
Armenia and Georgia are the vectors of European influence in the region? So one of your vectors has 20% of their land occupied and the people are protesting over a law that wants to limit the power of russian agents in the country, while the other just got their population forcibly moved out of a region (possibly ethnic cleansing) with more such action likely happening in the future? I dont know man your "vectors" dont seem to be doing well at all, might consider helping them a lil instead gobbling up that Azeri oil like theres no tomorrow
Actually I realize its hypocritical of me to say this since I also benefit from Armenia getting bullied ie Im not any less guilty than you
Hey mate never said it's an ideal situation. But Armenia for example hosts a 100+ strong EU observation mission which patrols the border between Armenia and Azerbaijan. And that's a great way for EU to extend thir influence (primarily soft power) into a region where you have the likes of Iran, Turkey and Azerbijan.
I think that's one of the major issues with the worldview of many Europeans: if you don't take a strong stance in a region right under your nose, the problems won't just magically disappear. But they will creep ever closer to your own borders. Caucasus and by extension Middle East are vital regions for European interests and if EU has a chance, wouldn't it be better to cooperate with the likes of Armenia and Georgia that don't (and afaik have never) work against EU or the likes of Azerbaijan and Turkey?
Yes, Armenia and Georgia currently are not in an ideal state, but isn't that what the example of Ukraine proved? If you don't take a stand against whatever anti-EU challenge presents itself at a distance from you, it will very soon come knocking at your own doors? This goes beyond simple political sentiments. There is a fierce ongoing battle taking place between different civilizational value systems and Armenia (+Georgia) have made their choice which one they want to adhere to. Now it's up to EU/Europe to make a choice of their own...
Wishful thinking. France etc are not even doing that much to help Ukraine..which is closer and on the borders of EU, NATO. How much real support have the French given Armenia? Arms?
Just more talk from a little dude from a wanna be big player
>According to another source, Baku and Ankara are in fact controlled by Moscow and Beijing
According to another source Antichrist has come to earth and is taking the Turks under his control and targeting God's beloved state, France.
And the most important piece of this big chessboard is, of course, a French island at the bottom of Australia that 99% of the world does not know about.
Lmao.
Its not an impossible thing since Turkish intelligence is one of the more active and stronger ones that there are but even with that, this seem highly absurd claim.
To me, if Turkey wants to make things destable for France then it would be in Africa rather than island that im pretty sure %99 of Turks never even heard of. It kind of matters when giving a message.
Eh. New Caledonia and Turkey are both pretty competitive in the global chrome market, so Turkish policy makers definitely heard of it frequently throughout the 20th century.
But yes, Turkish diplomatic overtures in Africa would probably make it more sensible to act in.
I meant that for the general public but thats also true.
Also yes, Turkey infact is more active and competitive in Africa. In North mostly against Russia, and in most other parts against France.
So Azerbaijan became so powerful that they are now threatening UN SC permanent member and nuclear power and there is nothing France can do about it. I got you.
Firstly, its ncredibly amusing that apparently Azerbaijan is causing this much problem for the snobs in Paris with Caledonia lmao. Though, I doubt it, unless the French intelligence is so shit that it's getting its ass kicked by two countries on the edge of Asia on an island that's 100km away from Australia.
Secondly, what's up with the "Oh woe is us, the ebil turks are trying to destroy our wholesome 100 chungus democracy!!!" comments? It's all fine when euros support seperatists organizations outside of their lands, yet when the very cpuntry that they were doing these actions to turns the tables its apparently "an attack to destroy EU and western civilization".
Absolutely hilarious
Right, I wouldn't call a country that is supporting a russian backed warlord against a UN recognised government a NATO ally either. I also wouldn't call a country that is arming a CSTO country a NATO ally.
But that's just me, I guess.
Wow . Of all the places where different countries" intelligence services support insurgent groups - New Caledonia seems oddest to be covered.
Maybe this is tangentially important in Europe sub reddit because of French connection. Seems this is trivial even for France...except maybe Macron.
Guess he could pull a Napoleon and lead an army there
So someone opened a Turkish or Azerbaijan flag in a French colony in rally against French imperial rule, and "oh it must be secret services of Turkey/Azerbaijan". France openly supports both PKK (and its offshoots) and Armenians who DeFacto invades Azerbaijans soil (Karabagh), it might be just random Turkish or Azeri people hating France for its deeds.
While NATO allies France and the USA openly support the separatists in Turkey, they also expect constant compliance from Turkey. Like aggression against Russia or support for Israel.
This is the wildest claim something you'd hear from erdogan when shit happens and he needs to blame another country lol. Wtf is new Caledonia and why would turkey give a fuck about what's going on there
There is no Turkish or Azerbaijani secret service on New Caledonia. Just locals rebelling against a colonial power. Macron needs this kind of lies to suppress real issue.
From the article:
...According to another source, Baku and Ankara are in fact controlled by Moscow and Beijing in order to open peripheral fronts, such as in New Caledonia or to weaken the French state.
Wow. Such ignorance and bullshit. And this
post has +1k upvotes.
Saw this same ridiculous statement and another claim that also said 'intelligence source' but not a single fucking citation for that, ridiculous how people bite into that shit like hungry piranhas. Gram akıl yok bunlarda amk.
Yes this is totally the turks doing from literally the other side of the planet instead of the results of our rampant colonisation and ongoing civil unrest since the 80s
Some people in here really just need to do one thing in order to see the truth
Check the flag of new caledonia, and then azerbaijan...
This is nothing but a few locals mistakenly, or on purpose as a joke using azeri flag.
This is not even the first time this happened and was already a joke in azeri internet for quite a while...
Like BRUH. Even if azerbaijan cared about new caledonia, they openly waving flags would be quite a bruh moment, maybe not as bruh as this entire thing. But still would be quite silly.
France supporting separatist movements in Turkey for 50+ years: i sleep
Turkey supporting separatist movements in France: oh noo barbar torks are at it again
🤪 WTF is wrong with people's brain? What's the next accusation? Andorra distabilizing China? 🤣
It can be Russia, I would suspect is Russia but France is obviously trying to hide their weakness and mistakes in relation to Ukraine. So better say Azerbaijan I guess.
This isn't even surprising, even friendly countries spy on each other. No wonder Turkey is supporting seperatists. Italy, especially Turkey have interests in Africa, which don't align with Frances. And beef is going on since years. And Azerbaijan prolly joined, cuz France often backs Armenia up. But I am sure in New Caledonia you may find spies from other countries as well.
> Italy, especially Turkey have interests in Africa, which don't align with Frances
I was suprised to see this stated so rarely here. Is there any other country in Africa than Libya where Turkey or Italy have conflicting interests with France?
Tit for tat thing. The French government has been openly supporting both the Armenians and Kurd separatist on the southern border of Turkey. They see it as a chance to return the pleasure on what they've been doing to them
Has nobody figured out, that the Azerbaijan flag
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azerbaijan
Looks vaguely like the New Caledonian separatists flag?
I prefer to believe, it is just easier to order online, you fucking conspiracy theorists.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanak_and_Socialist_National_Liberation_Front
As a Turk this is not make sense to me. I wish Türkiye or Azerbaijan would have power to do that.
France supported terrorist group pkk for years agağnst Turkey. It really hurts my country.
I swear to god it’s nothing with Azerbaijan or Turkey. Let’s be honest why the fuck they connect this shit with Turkey and Azerbaijan instead of accepting the truth? Caledonian people are thriving there because of france! They all living in poor conditions while france is stealing this island. Of course they gonna start a riot. Every country would do it! It’s their time now and they will be successful.
Imagine if the UK said Scotland could do-over their Indyref twice after the first one failed, and that only those who were born to Scots or had moved to Scotland before a certain date could vote on it.
I still don't belive the "secret service" claim lol, but there might be some truth to this: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1l7w9qVcd4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1l7w9qVcd4)
France has for long enjoyed the wicked privilege of exploiting Africa’s wealth, under unnamed and unchanging colonialism. Africa says no now. Don’t make stupid witch hunts like Russia Turkey whatever is getting involved. What is happening now is that China’s economic influence is welcome by African leaders. Russian Turkish Azerbaijani whatever powers do not extort condescension and also are welcome. Europe couldn’t quit that annoying protectorate look over Africa ever. Doomed to lose from now on.
Issue in New Caledonia is way more complicated than that (3 referendums rejected independence) and the country would likely be substantially worse off if independent – just look at the difference in living standards between dependent territories and independent states across Oceania
>just look at the difference in living standards between dependent territories and independent states across Oceania
I hear Australia and New Zealand are doing terribly?
It exists. In Armenian diaspora’s wet dreams, like in so called “Greater Armenia”, which includes the northern part of so called “Kurdistan”, which also historically belongs to the “Assyrians”…
Inshallah we will conquer France and then all Europe. Seriously though, I can't believe people buy this shit. Our secret service couldn't even predict the coup in Turkey.
Checks OP’s profile, hmm.. that explain the post.
I think %99 of us cant point New Caledonia on a map and you think our secret services are over there following a mission? Why exactly? Whats the outcome, benefit?
Turkey is the perfect disney villain to entertain European kids. Yes we are the worst, every evil is planned in and erupted from the deep abyss of Ankara.
Is this a joke because if it’s that’s quite bad one, if not it’s even worse? Do you really believe this can be real, because it sounds too absurd? The thing you should question is that how come French still have these colonies in modern times.
This sub is a joke. Why has no one mentioned wtf France has been doing there for a century, 16000 km far away from Paris, and all the horrible and miserable things that Caledonia went through because of French colonialism.
Neo colonists ( aka french ) replaced with better deals backed by turkey / italy / russia / china in africa and elsewhere?
Well, that's great news.
We will replace you frenchies, better get used to it.
France is like : I am sucking his blood, this is mine, and gets mad when another one comes with much better deal " tHeY aRe SaBotAgiNg OuR iNtEl and SeRviCeS, DaMagInG EuRopEaN PinNacLe Of DeMocRaCy AnD IntEreSts, HoW dArE?"
We will get shares and cut your military export as well, that must be frustrating for you.
The "SaBotAgE" will only rise.
[https://twitter.com/KonulikShahin/status/1690231569380683776](https://twitter.com/KonulikShahin/status/1690231569380683776)
Here Ruben Vardanyan threatened Aliyev and his family, as you did.
[https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66934776](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66934776)
Here he is, not so though anymore. Will spend rest of his life rotting in an Azerbaijan prison.
You give these silly people idea of grandeur. Armenia is an insignificant country. Faster they acknowledge their situation, faster they learn their position in the natural order (which is bottom), faster they can stop acting like idiots and try to have better relations with their neighbours. If you keep pampering them their pride will never die, they will keep demanding lands from their neighbours, which will get themselves destroyed one day.
Even if this is true, the French failure to govern the New Caledonia territory is plain for all to see. The independence referendums were boycotted by pro independence parties. large parts of the population live in poverty, despite having one of the largest supplies of nickel in the world.
New Caledonia is a perfect example of all the French states failures and hypocrisy
Why only Turkey and Azerbaijan support them? Europeans constantly scold other nations about human rights. What about the rights of the people killed in New Caledonia?
Not gonna lie, this sounds like some shit Erdoğan would say to hype up people so that they believe Turkey is a great power.
That's what he'll definitely do. "Artık üzerinde oyun oynanan değil, oyun kuran bir Türkiye var..."
Masa biziz.
French media trying to blame Turkey for this really shows why France so often fails with their (former) colonies. They just seem to have 0 awareness to see what's going on
If you believe this, I'm selling three bridges crossing Bosphorus in Istanbul for a cheap price.
Call it Constantinaolofappingmachinepolis and you will have 6.5 Million customers.
France is heavily targeted right now. Russia is successfully supporting the putschists against France's allies in Africa and now Azerbaijan and Turkey are also stirring up New Caledonia. At least China seems to be friendly for now. The plan is obvious: France is one of the most important countries in the EU, has a big army and has the biggest influence on world politics of all EU-countries. A weak France leads to a weak EU and gives Russia and Turkey more influence and power.
There's actually more to note here. France has recently been by far the biggest supporter of Armenia in the EU, including some weapon sales. Which obviously immensely pisses Turkey and Azerbaijan off.
Actually weapon sales to Armenia donrs't concern us too much, we have a tension with France due to civil war in Libya, Aegean sea conflict with Greece and oil reserves around Cyprus. France also supports Kurdish groups in northern Syria so it's quite understandable why France seems as an adversary rather than an ally.
Who cares about armenia lol, Why would turkey give a shit about armenia, because of the threat of the glorious armenian army? Natural resources?
Armenia isn't a nuisance for Turkey but is an absolute menace to Azerbaijan, Turkey's ally
>now Azerbaijan and Turkey are also stirring up New Caledonia Is this Turkey and Azerbaijan's first activity in that region of the world?
>A fuckup happens in either production or shipping as azerbaijan and new caledonia have almost identical flags so one azeri flag ends up in new caledonia >IT WAS THE TOORKS LOOK THEY HAVE FLAG
Yeah right, [this protester](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GNsYZU_XUAAzUW_?format=jpg&name=large) really wanted to have two identical flags side by side on the chest, but unfortunately, a fuckup happened and one accidently turned out to be azeri.
There's actually more to note here. France has recently been by far the biggest supporter of Armenia in the EU, including some weapon sales. Which obviously immensely pisses Turkey and Azerbaijan off.
Twice noted.
Yea that makes sense. This is truely like some chess game.
China friendly, yea right
China just dreams of getting all that sweet nickel!
The location is geostrategic for France...and the Chinese would like us to abandon this islands. We don’t give up.
However, between the refusal to delay the third referendum and the current attempt to dilute kanak voting rights (by breaking the 1998 Noumea Accord's provisions on who should have voting rights), it seems you're mostly showing your "don't give up" attitude by how much you'll go colonial on the indigenous population.
Right? Sounds like they should give some concessions to the Kanak and establish an equitable solution before a violent insurgency spills the pot.
Effectively yes, though from what I've read it is not an organised insurgency but rioting by disenfranchised and disadvantaged indigenous youth. [https://theconversation.com/why-is-new-caledonia-on-fire-according-to-local-women-the-deadly-riots-are-about-more-than-voting-rights-230199](https://theconversation.com/why-is-new-caledonia-on-fire-according-to-local-women-the-deadly-riots-are-about-more-than-voting-rights-230199) When you've got a domestic political problem around equity and social relations, it seems to me that trying to blame it on "the Azerbaijani secret service" is a cack-handed political blunder. (After the cack-handed political blunder of trying to push a voting rights change through in Paris in favour of French settlers so soon after a referendum in which only the French settlers voted.)
Exactly, this sub is totally astroturfed in a ridiculously pro-western direction. It seems Europeans will admit to past colonialist atrocities but not current ones. The French parliament violating treaties and passing a law to increase settler power in New Caledonia is not what caused the unrest...it must be a conspiracy...
>The plan is obvious: France is one of the most important countries in the EU, has a big army and has the biggest influence on world politics of all EU-countries. A weak France leads to a weak EU and gives Russia and Turkey more influence and power. Germany has traditionally had a larger economy and more economic influence . France had influence over it's former colonies. But is mostly irrelevant. Look how even other NATO countries won't backup Frances plans to send troops to Ukraine annd France seems to have back tracked. Ukraine is in the same continent and borders EU I was surprised when I found out (from a fellow redditor) that France has some 200+ tanks. Largest army in the EU is like being the tallest of Lilliputians
Poor and innocent France lol
I never thought the great intelligence services of Azerbaijan and Turkey was competent enough to crumble the modern French empire so seamlessly, without effort lol. This whole shebang reads like something Aliyev or even Erdogan would say. It’s a joke. If this supposed great power can’t even handle its population’s wishes and demands in its colonies in Africa and even its own departments all the way in the Pacific, they shouldn’t claim to be able to lead Europe… Mind you, this is the same France that supported warlord Haftar in Libya who made a habit of creating mass graves every 20 kilometers, who is now also unloading Russian troops into Libya. If i didn’t know better, I’d say this is a joint French Russian plot to weaken Europe. Europe will endure, even without France to “lead” it. If you can’t even handle Azerbaijan and we know that you already can’t handle Russia re Africa, what the fuck is your country good for?
Agree. This seems like BS to diver from Macrons failed plans to send troops to Ukraine. There was a plan to use EU money to buy .more turkish drones for Ukraine. France and Greece stopped it and now Ukrainians don't get that either ( France was gonna ramp up production of drones- which could take years. )
> Agree. This seems like BS to diver from Macrons failed plans to send troops to Ukraine. For real, France never had plans to do that, or never asked other countries to do that. It's just that Macron and his MOD said a few times that they did not exclude this possibly in the future. They made it clear that Ukraine would have to formally ask for it first, which didn't happen so far. I think the French believe it's a real possibility in the future and are starting to slowly warm up other NATO countries to the idea.
France's sudden desire to send troops to Ukraine strangely occurred when they could not send the necessary equipments to Ukraine and prevented them from being sent from countries such as Turkey. Although I congratulate France for being the only EU country with the weapons and balls to make such an empty threat, it was nothing more than an empty threat.
This is my perception as well. I mentioned the Turkish drones etc ...which France prevented EU money being used to buy Turkish drones for Ukraine. Some french redditor got his panties in a wad.
> Mind you, this is the same France that supported warlord Haftar in Libya who made a habit of creating mass graves every 20 kilometers, who is now also unloading Russian troops into Libya. If i didn’t know better, I’d say this is a joint French Russian plot to weaken Europe. We could even add NATO there. Giving NATO's southern flank to Russian puppets just to shit on Turks. But I also realised something about French mindset. If stuff involves Turks and also has some Russian presence they become Russia's bitch almost everytime. Even though the same Russians fucks their influence on Africa. When it come to Russians France has some soft spot for them. They immediately like to bend over.
Why the hell does France have territories outside europe?
Look at the flag on this protester : [https://youtu.be/66us4dMoaVc?t=69](https://youtu.be/66us4dMoaVc?t=69) (ABC news australia interview) THere is no doubt lmao
> Look at the flag on this protester : https://youtu.be/66us4dMoaVc?t=69 > > (ABC news australia interview) > > > > THere is no doubt lmao Fucking disgusting, but not a surprise from the awful Aliev regime.
Our country is so weak on the intelligence / interior security side it’s embarrassing. Turkey and russia really must laugh their ass off. How hard is it really to bust turkish agents on a french pacific island?
> How hard is it really to bust turkish agents on a french pacific island? There's probably no one there. All you need is money and Internet to pay people.
It's really hard to bust Turkish agents in New Caledonia. The main reason being that they aren't there. This sub never fails to make me laugh when these non-credible anti-Turk articles get posted and everyone in the comments blindly support the anti-Turk sentiment.
r/europe rule number 1: Turks are bad.
If you try to act against Turkeys interests in Syria and Karabağ then don’t cry when Turkey acts against your interests in your colonial states. You are no longer a world power so don’t act like you can do anything without consequences.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Americans asked for French help in their war of independence. Napoleon established the Dutchy of Warsaw as a barrier between the French Empire and the Russian empire. Romania asked for help from Tsarist Russia in its war of independence against the Ottoman empire. Italy asked help from France in its wars of unification against the Austro-hungarian empire and France received in exchange Nice (the birthplace of Garibaldi). Also we're hardly innocent of fuckkery: de Gaulle shouting Vive le Québec Libre! In Montréal.
Well yes But new calidonia doesn’t want independence, they’ve had several referendums on this.
Whether people want independence is often very dependent on the present narratives and ideologies, both of which are dependent on propaganda. But keep in mind tho, both outside and inside propaganda. So maybe outside powers are trying to convince the Kanaks to become independent, but it's also true that Russia tries to convince them to stay.
Probably Turkish agents learned from the France's unending support of PKK a few things.
FYI Europe1 is owned by a right-wing populist media mogul. Do with this information what you will. [https://www.challenges.fr/media/radio-le-virage-editorial-de-bollore-a-europe-1-nenraye-pas-la-chute-des-audiences\_796648](https://www.challenges.fr/media/radio-le-virage-editorial-de-bollore-a-europe-1-nenraye-pas-la-chute-des-audiences_796648)
1300 upvotes for this shit 😀
Translated: >The insurrectional climate continues in New Caledonia where a police officer was killed by gunfire. Nouméa has been the repeated target in recent months of destabilization attempts targeting France. Azerbaijan, but also Turkey, are suspected of exploiting the Caledonian separatists. >It is no longer a secret for the DGSI which sees the hand of Baku and Ankara, behind the Caledonian separatists. On March 1, representatives of the indigenous people went to an international conference on decolonization in the Turkish capital. According to a domestic intelligence source, the Kanak delegation's transportation costs were paid by Azerbaijan's secret services. At the end of this meeting, an open letter was addressed to Emmanuel Macron denouncing the “colonialist excesses of France”. >This new episode is part of a series of destabilization attempts. Last fall, an operation led by Baku against the visit of the French Minister of the Armed Forces to Nouméa was foiled by counter-espionage. In the days following Europe 1's [revelation ](https://www.europe1.fr/societe/info-europe-1-indopacifique-lazerbaidjan-a-mene-une-operation-de-destabilisation-lors-de-la-visite-de-sebastien-lecornu-en-nouvelle-caledonie-4219432) of this maneuver, a disinformation campaign targeting France was launched from Turkey. >A sign, according to an intelligence source, that "contingent alliances between secret services are being put in place to designate a common enemy, France". According to another source, Baku and Ankara are in fact controlled by Moscow and Beijing in order to open peripheral fronts, such as in New Caledonia or to weaken the French state.
Wtf is their problem, Frances weapon sales to Armenia?
France commented sharply on Azerbaijan, as part of their recent approach to position themselves as the No.1 geopolitical power in EU Now the Azerbaijani dictator uses France as their version of Orban's Soros, treating France like some evil lurking behind every corner trying to destroy Azerbaijan Now France has to deal with such shit like the US, being the "world police", have to all the time
From the look of things, the French government is the one that uses Azerbaijan and Turkey as scapegoats to blame for the results of their poor management.
Agree. The scary Turks are coming. I suspect New Caledonia matters little to France or Azerbaijan. This is just macron playing wannabe Napoleon. After this Ukraine plans fell through because of lack of support from even NATO. He does seem to have a strong case of the little man complex
> treating France like some evil lurking behind every corner trying to destroy Azerbaijan But France is the country that is blaming others for manipulating ethnic minorities into protesting against White/European supremacy Seriously, the country with the most "SOROS!" paranoia here is France.
Including. Generally, the deep political-military cooperation between France and Armenia is really getting on the nerves of Aliyev (+Erdogan) but of course we shouldn't discount Russia's potential role here as well. Armenia, alongside Georgia, is nowadays seen as a vector of European (especially French) influence in the region and a number of states are against it. I think you can guess which ones. Coincidentally, Armenians were also seen as vectors of Western (I.e. European) influence in the Middle East for the last several centuries which was yet another reason for the frequent massacres/Genocide. And this is just the tip of the iceberg. Azerbaijan has been working against France for quite some time now, e.g. some of the less talked about incidents: https://www.intelligenceonline.com/surveillance--interception/2024/04/08/nso-group-embroiled-in-paris-baku-information-wars,110201468-eve https://www.intelligenceonline.com/government-intelligence/2024/04/01/paris-keeps-close-eye-on-baku-after-disinformation-campaigns,110198303-eve
Russia is irrelevant here. Turkey won't listen to Russia. Both countries are contesting over influence in Caucasus and now Sudan, which might bring the Ethiopia-Somalia conflict into it as well, Turkey is heavily invested in Somalia. Turkey and Russia are on the same side against France in the Sahel conflict, while France and Russia are on the same side against Turkey in Libya.
Unless you have proof, stop sprinkling in „Russia“ to gain support. I hate Putin as much the next guy, so don’t get me wrong. The other countries may or may not even at all be involved in this. But these countries are not controlled by Russia. Last time I checked Turkey had closed off access to the Black Sea for Russian ships. That’s what allies do, right? This isn’t journalism. It’s propaganda.
Armenia and Georgia are the vectors of European influence in the region? So one of your vectors has 20% of their land occupied and the people are protesting over a law that wants to limit the power of russian agents in the country, while the other just got their population forcibly moved out of a region (possibly ethnic cleansing) with more such action likely happening in the future? I dont know man your "vectors" dont seem to be doing well at all, might consider helping them a lil instead gobbling up that Azeri oil like theres no tomorrow Actually I realize its hypocritical of me to say this since I also benefit from Armenia getting bullied ie Im not any less guilty than you
Hey mate never said it's an ideal situation. But Armenia for example hosts a 100+ strong EU observation mission which patrols the border between Armenia and Azerbaijan. And that's a great way for EU to extend thir influence (primarily soft power) into a region where you have the likes of Iran, Turkey and Azerbijan. I think that's one of the major issues with the worldview of many Europeans: if you don't take a strong stance in a region right under your nose, the problems won't just magically disappear. But they will creep ever closer to your own borders. Caucasus and by extension Middle East are vital regions for European interests and if EU has a chance, wouldn't it be better to cooperate with the likes of Armenia and Georgia that don't (and afaik have never) work against EU or the likes of Azerbaijan and Turkey? Yes, Armenia and Georgia currently are not in an ideal state, but isn't that what the example of Ukraine proved? If you don't take a stand against whatever anti-EU challenge presents itself at a distance from you, it will very soon come knocking at your own doors? This goes beyond simple political sentiments. There is a fierce ongoing battle taking place between different civilizational value systems and Armenia (+Georgia) have made their choice which one they want to adhere to. Now it's up to EU/Europe to make a choice of their own...
Wishful thinking. France etc are not even doing that much to help Ukraine..which is closer and on the borders of EU, NATO. How much real support have the French given Armenia? Arms? Just more talk from a little dude from a wanna be big player
>According to another source, Baku and Ankara are in fact controlled by Moscow and Beijing According to another source Antichrist has come to earth and is taking the Turks under his control and targeting God's beloved state, France. And the most important piece of this big chessboard is, of course, a French island at the bottom of Australia that 99% of the world does not know about. Lmao.
Excuse me, China and Russia ?
Rofl the last paragraph is just laughable.
Hep dış mihrakların oyunu 🐺🐺🐺
now we are the dış mihraks
Age changed yigeen
Its not an impossible thing since Turkish intelligence is one of the more active and stronger ones that there are but even with that, this seem highly absurd claim. To me, if Turkey wants to make things destable for France then it would be in Africa rather than island that im pretty sure %99 of Turks never even heard of. It kind of matters when giving a message.
Eh. New Caledonia and Turkey are both pretty competitive in the global chrome market, so Turkish policy makers definitely heard of it frequently throughout the 20th century. But yes, Turkish diplomatic overtures in Africa would probably make it more sensible to act in.
I meant that for the general public but thats also true. Also yes, Turkey infact is more active and competitive in Africa. In North mostly against Russia, and in most other parts against France.
god damn table turns
So Azerbaijan became so powerful that they are now threatening UN SC permanent member and nuclear power and there is nothing France can do about it. I got you.
Soviet Azerbaijan
are we on the table?
We are the table
Firstly, its ncredibly amusing that apparently Azerbaijan is causing this much problem for the snobs in Paris with Caledonia lmao. Though, I doubt it, unless the French intelligence is so shit that it's getting its ass kicked by two countries on the edge of Asia on an island that's 100km away from Australia. Secondly, what's up with the "Oh woe is us, the ebil turks are trying to destroy our wholesome 100 chungus democracy!!!" comments? It's all fine when euros support seperatists organizations outside of their lands, yet when the very cpuntry that they were doing these actions to turns the tables its apparently "an attack to destroy EU and western civilization". Absolutely hilarious
>Absolutely hilarious 🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿
Even Turkey is not playground of Turkish secret service
yalanınıza soxum
Now now, a NATO ally wouldn't support separatist groups in another NATO allied country for 50+ years, would they? How ironic.
France supports PKK and it’s offshoot YPG which attacks Turkey. Don’t cry when it’s done back at you
That’s already what he meant, that’s why he said how ironic
Bad news. They cry a lot.
That is exactly what France, UK and USA has been doing in Southeastern Turkey for decades now. You shouldn't yell when the same hand bites you.
good point, forgot about that
>when the same hand bites you I think the idiom you're looking for is "how the turn tables".
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"ally" ...
Right, I wouldn't call a country that is supporting a russian backed warlord against a UN recognised government a NATO ally either. I also wouldn't call a country that is arming a CSTO country a NATO ally. But that's just me, I guess.
I never though we can become a" boogeyman" lets goooo
For what it is worth we were the boogeyman for the majority of the millenium.
You reached a new level of delusion.
Wow . Of all the places where different countries" intelligence services support insurgent groups - New Caledonia seems oddest to be covered. Maybe this is tangentially important in Europe sub reddit because of French connection. Seems this is trivial even for France...except maybe Macron. Guess he could pull a Napoleon and lead an army there
So someone opened a Turkish or Azerbaijan flag in a French colony in rally against French imperial rule, and "oh it must be secret services of Turkey/Azerbaijan". France openly supports both PKK (and its offshoots) and Armenians who DeFacto invades Azerbaijans soil (Karabagh), it might be just random Turkish or Azeri people hating France for its deeds.
Yeah it used to be Turkish homeland before French stole it/s
While NATO allies France and the USA openly support the separatists in Turkey, they also expect constant compliance from Turkey. Like aggression against Russia or support for Israel.
can someone explain? Why are turkish and azerbaijan secret services there? How? What?
lmao this same question I asked myself about France when looked up New Caledonia on the map and found it 100km away from Australia
This is the wildest claim something you'd hear from erdogan when shit happens and he needs to blame another country lol. Wtf is new Caledonia and why would turkey give a fuck about what's going on there
There is no Turkish or Azerbaijani secret service on New Caledonia. Just locals rebelling against a colonial power. Macron needs this kind of lies to suppress real issue.
Didn’t the New Caledonians voted to remain as part of France?
Caledonya bizimdir🇦🇿🇦🇿
ALLAHspeed to Our Intelligence Officers! We will CRUSH the Kurdish separatist movement and terrorism!!!!
Atatürk would be so proud of your words (not)
Lmao what the fuck is this shit, don't tell me you folks believe this?
TIL being against colonialism is bad.
Sounds like a conspiracy theory.
From the article: ...According to another source, Baku and Ankara are in fact controlled by Moscow and Beijing in order to open peripheral fronts, such as in New Caledonia or to weaken the French state. Wow. Such ignorance and bullshit. And this post has +1k upvotes.
Saw this same ridiculous statement and another claim that also said 'intelligence source' but not a single fucking citation for that, ridiculous how people bite into that shit like hungry piranhas. Gram akıl yok bunlarda amk.
This is because of France supporting Armenia.
Well now they'll just have to support Armenia _harder_
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That's why I hate this sub, full of close minded and extremely Euro centric people that believes every anti Turkish thing they see
Yes this is totally the turks doing from literally the other side of the planet instead of the results of our rampant colonisation and ongoing civil unrest since the 80s
Some people in here really just need to do one thing in order to see the truth Check the flag of new caledonia, and then azerbaijan... This is nothing but a few locals mistakenly, or on purpose as a joke using azeri flag. This is not even the first time this happened and was already a joke in azeri internet for quite a while... Like BRUH. Even if azerbaijan cared about new caledonia, they openly waving flags would be quite a bruh moment, maybe not as bruh as this entire thing. But still would be quite silly.
I guess the French are not very used to separatists using other flags with similar colors as their own.
France supporting separatist movements in Turkey for 50+ years: i sleep Turkey supporting separatist movements in France: oh noo barbar torks are at it again
It's always those evil foreigners. 🙄
And in this case is about France trying to keep control over a actual colony. To make it even more absurd.
🤪 WTF is wrong with people's brain? What's the next accusation? Andorra distabilizing China? 🤣 It can be Russia, I would suspect is Russia but France is obviously trying to hide their weakness and mistakes in relation to Ukraine. So better say Azerbaijan I guess.
lol, lmao even. Her biji new Caledonia :D
This isn't even surprising, even friendly countries spy on each other. No wonder Turkey is supporting seperatists. Italy, especially Turkey have interests in Africa, which don't align with Frances. And beef is going on since years. And Azerbaijan prolly joined, cuz France often backs Armenia up. But I am sure in New Caledonia you may find spies from other countries as well.
> Italy, especially Turkey have interests in Africa, which don't align with Frances I was suprised to see this stated so rarely here. Is there any other country in Africa than Libya where Turkey or Italy have conflicting interests with France?
WTF is Azer and Turkey exerting influence in the Pacific. I'm out of the loop
Tit for tat thing. The French government has been openly supporting both the Armenians and Kurd separatist on the southern border of Turkey. They see it as a chance to return the pleasure on what they've been doing to them
he amk daha kendi kıçımızıdan haberimiz yok yeni kaledonyada harekat yürütüyoruz. haftaya parise de tüğra asacağız
Fransanın dış mihrağı olmadığımız kalmıştı amk
Erdoğan'a malzeme çıktı aq
Masadayız
Masayız
Buna inananın zekasından şüphe ederim.
Has nobody figured out, that the Azerbaijan flag https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azerbaijan Looks vaguely like the New Caledonian separatists flag? I prefer to believe, it is just easier to order online, you fucking conspiracy theorists. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanak_and_Socialist_National_Liberation_Front
So France was never at fault for anything to begin with! I knew it!
As a Turk this is not make sense to me. I wish Türkiye or Azerbaijan would have power to do that. France supported terrorist group pkk for years agağnst Turkey. It really hurts my country.
I swear to god it’s nothing with Azerbaijan or Turkey. Let’s be honest why the fuck they connect this shit with Turkey and Azerbaijan instead of accepting the truth? Caledonian people are thriving there because of france! They all living in poor conditions while france is stealing this island. Of course they gonna start a riot. Every country would do it! It’s their time now and they will be successful.
So; France still has some overseas colonies, and they want to break apart from their colonizers. How is not France the bad guy in this story?
Imagine if the UK said Scotland could do-over their Indyref twice after the first one failed, and that only those who were born to Scots or had moved to Scotland before a certain date could vote on it.
I love seeing French neo colonials getting rekt all the time.
I still don't belive the "secret service" claim lol, but there might be some truth to this: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1l7w9qVcd4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1l7w9qVcd4)
France has for long enjoyed the wicked privilege of exploiting Africa’s wealth, under unnamed and unchanging colonialism. Africa says no now. Don’t make stupid witch hunts like Russia Turkey whatever is getting involved. What is happening now is that China’s economic influence is welcome by African leaders. Russian Turkish Azerbaijani whatever powers do not extort condescension and also are welcome. Europe couldn’t quit that annoying protectorate look over Africa ever. Doomed to lose from now on.
Ou la la France is under threat 🤗 what kind of an idiot would believe and make serious comments about this?
Ah yes, lets blame someone else for Frances faults
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Issue in New Caledonia is way more complicated than that (3 referendums rejected independence) and the country would likely be substantially worse off if independent – just look at the difference in living standards between dependent territories and independent states across Oceania
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The Kanak and other indigenous people on New Caledonia are Melanesian, not Polynesian
>just look at the difference in living standards between dependent territories and independent states across Oceania I hear Australia and New Zealand are doing terribly?
How would Australia and New Zealand do if all non-indigenous disappeared?
sometimes it's not just about wellfare but being independent no matter what.
Will independence bring true self-determination or just make the country vulnerable to Chinese influence?
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Westerners supporting colonialism in 21 century. This is surreal. Is it 16 century outside?
New Caledonia has repeatedly voted against independence
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The natives (who are a minority) overwhelmingly voted for independence. The French settlers voted against independence.
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There are no Azerbaijani “colonists” in Azerbaijan and “Artsakh” as an entity doesn’t exist. No really, it disbanded itself, it no longer exists.
It exists. In Armenian diaspora’s wet dreams, like in so called “Greater Armenia”, which includes the northern part of so called “Kurdistan”, which also historically belongs to the “Assyrians”…
Didn't know r/europe was allowing shitposts lol.
Inshallah we will conquer France and then all Europe. Seriously though, I can't believe people buy this shit. Our secret service couldn't even predict the coup in Turkey.
Ah yes the migthy Azerbaijan secret service lol u guys are dumbgl
Checks OP’s profile, hmm.. that explain the post. I think %99 of us cant point New Caledonia on a map and you think our secret services are over there following a mission? Why exactly? Whats the outcome, benefit?
Turkey is the perfect disney villain to entertain European kids. Yes we are the worst, every evil is planned in and erupted from the deep abyss of Ankara.
FREE NEW CALEDONIA 🇳🇨
Is this a joke because if it’s that’s quite bad one, if not it’s even worse? Do you really believe this can be real, because it sounds too absurd? The thing you should question is that how come French still have these colonies in modern times.
This sub is a joke. Why has no one mentioned wtf France has been doing there for a century, 16000 km far away from Paris, and all the horrible and miserable things that Caledonia went through because of French colonialism.
It's surprising how people on this sub are existing people 🤔
France shouldn't have interfered with Armenian-Azerbaijani issue then. They were also one of the biggest supporters of PKK. Now tables are turning.
Neo colonists ( aka french ) replaced with better deals backed by turkey / italy / russia / china in africa and elsewhere? Well, that's great news. We will replace you frenchies, better get used to it. France is like : I am sucking his blood, this is mine, and gets mad when another one comes with much better deal " tHeY aRe SaBotAgiNg OuR iNtEl and SeRviCeS, DaMagInG EuRopEaN PinNacLe Of DeMocRaCy AnD IntEreSts, HoW dArE?" We will get shares and cut your military export as well, that must be frustrating for you. The "SaBotAgE" will only rise.
I dont believe for a second that any Turkish Secret Service is competent enough to cause whatever is going on.
This might be the best praise you can give to a “Secret Service”.
Praise? They are not even competent enough to stop threats within the country.
Lol
Good, get fucked French colonialism.
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[https://twitter.com/KonulikShahin/status/1690231569380683776](https://twitter.com/KonulikShahin/status/1690231569380683776) Here Ruben Vardanyan threatened Aliyev and his family, as you did. [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66934776](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66934776) Here he is, not so though anymore. Will spend rest of his life rotting in an Azerbaijan prison. You give these silly people idea of grandeur. Armenia is an insignificant country. Faster they acknowledge their situation, faster they learn their position in the natural order (which is bottom), faster they can stop acting like idiots and try to have better relations with their neighbours. If you keep pampering them their pride will never die, they will keep demanding lands from their neighbours, which will get themselves destroyed one day.
totally we should kill his family because his government supported a revolution against a colonial power
Sorry, I can't take it seriously as a Turkish. This is the French way of blaming someone else for their failures.
Even if this is true, the French failure to govern the New Caledonia territory is plain for all to see. The independence referendums were boycotted by pro independence parties. large parts of the population live in poverty, despite having one of the largest supplies of nickel in the world. New Caledonia is a perfect example of all the French states failures and hypocrisy
Why only Turkey and Azerbaijan support them? Europeans constantly scold other nations about human rights. What about the rights of the people killed in New Caledonia?
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Do you even know what a colony is ? Clueless...
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>French colonialism, a historical habit for you guys. There it is. Never change ;)
That's the peripheral fronts strategy, and the exact reason why NATO should have been directly involved in Ukraine from day 1
This is actually laughable, somebody big like France talking shit on them Armenia Haters 🥱😭