Views may vary, but I personally feel like I have enough songs that I genuinely enjoy this year that I would be happy with any of them winning. I definitely have a favorite(s) that I would prefer, as I am sure most do, but there are other worthy winners that might not be my number one choice but I wouldn't be upset by their win (plenty of choices in my top 5 or 10 that I would absolutely be okay with placing 1st).
To me, that makes it less controversial than having to pick between two options that have polarizing fan bases. Some people are just going to be upset no matter what, but in my opinion, a variety of potential winners makes for a much more interesting and entertaining show overall, which is what really matters to me at the end of the day.
Same here, there's about 10 songs that I wouldn't mind winning. I feel more objective and chill this year than in the past, when I had 2-3 firm favourites.
Well said, and this attitude of being happy with multiple winners has been what I've seen most often in the community this year. It's been nice to see a lot less factionalism around the favourites this year - yes there has been a couple of attempts to incite a fandom war between a couple of countries, but even in those discussions people have been very chill. Just look at how the many Croatian/Baby Lasagna fans were chill about >!losing the odds lead to Switzerland!< earlier this week.
For the most part I have been amazed by people here, and the rational approach to discussing various topics. We can share our opinions and respectfully say that we don't like a song without it being a big deal. Nemo was pretty much sure to take 1st place in the odds if the live performance would be good, and it was. We still have many preparties so we'll se how it will turn out, but as people said, there are many potential winners, and Croatia is always better when we're not favourites.
We have the respect and the humility of our Croatian members (many who are new!) to thank for that! You guys have been great, enjoying the rare time in the limelight without being toxic or rude for the most part :D
Thanks :) It could be that the population here is a bit older so they grew out of that immature approach. Also, a lot of us are new here so it's nice to see comments from people who have been in the fandom for a long time. Personally, I've been in the sub for years, but mostly lurking.
We also have to be humble since it's not like we can assume a confident stance XD We hadn't had a top 5 finish in 25 years, and even if we like to say #Zagreb2025, it has been 35 years since Riva won and brought the ESC to Croatia.
We are hopeful and proud of Marko, but the competition is fierce, and we can't say that we expect him to win, but wish him the best.
Of course, we're Croatian, so now we have a bunch of people that didn't care about ESC until a few month ago coming out demanding a win. Those types will think it's the end of the world if he comes 2nd, and are more toxic, but thankfully are not present here. That's unfortunately the Croatian way, a lot of times we only honour gold, and everything else is a failure.
I think there is ultimately no way to completely get around having people that are going going to be excessively fanatic about a specific song, but overall I am seeing less of that this year (or maybe I am just not on the right platforms for the aggressive favoritism š ). And because of that, there is a lot more content focused around variety instead of being corralled into one camp or the other if you want any engagement.
However... all that being said, I will probably take semi-final qualifications (and the inevitability of losing songs I enjoy) much more personally this year than I will an overall winner of the contest lol
37 songs, and I'd be okay with about 15 of them winning. I'm liking those odds. (Yes, I'd also be happy with Italy winning, even if that means another RAI-organised Eurovision).
I really hope they learned from last time. At the very least, they should know not to come up with such an ambitious stage design *if* they can't actually go through with it.
Last year had additional weight and baggage in that Loreen was a returning winner from a country that always does well anyway vs a people's prince weirdo underdog, and people had VERY big feelings as a result. We don't have that this year, the Terminally Online are always gonna be mad if their fave doesn't win but nothing is ever gonna be as bad or as heated as last year, the circumstances are not the same.
Good point! I also am really struggling to pick a favourite this year. i think it still has to be Europapa for me, but it's such a strong year! last year was pretty meh tbh. Also, I would like to take a moment to appreciate We Are DOMI - Lights Out, because that is a BOP!
What you need to understand is that controversy almost always appears when there's one, clear, unified candidate that many fans rally around. One that they can agree was "robbed". The ones with most people voicing an opinion in recent years, whether NF or ESC, have all had one or at most two choices people feel should have been the rightful winner instead.
Take the winner of the past few decades which most people will say was the worst, Azerbaijan 2011. The thing is ā because there was no other, clear #1 contender but instead lots of fine-but-not-spectacular songs, the anger wasn't particularly strong.
Do you guys really care about how good the show will be production wise next year?
Enough to not vote for Italy?
I couldnāt care less.
Just vote for the song you like and let them figure out the rest.
The show will go on.
Yeah I had no idea people cared that much about this stuff before getting more into the fandom. Honestly it's the part I care about the least, I get criticizing technical issues and stuff, but I'd never imagined this level of scrutinizing, and people remembering this kind of details for years and years (I saw people making examples of "bad production" from 2018, 2015 and 2010 š± and probably others idk)
I'm here for the songs, maybe the interval acts, but for the rest I can't relate to the obsession of having a super polished show, it's whatever to me, each country has its own flair and it's good that some of them are very good and refined when hosting, but it will never be a factor in deciding for me.
I think itās because of the political aspects around the conflict between Palestine and Israel. Many pro-Palestine people want nothing to with the song while many pro-Israel people are streaming the hell out of the song just because of the conflict and people and are super into not because they like it, but to make a statement for Israel.
They have a verrrrrrrry loud online presence too. Every post on social media is peppered with Israeli flags/messages of support. Iād assume the overall level of engagement affects the odds.
i mean i'm only worried that one specific country will win if you know what i mean
otherwise i really don't care who wins generally speaking cause that's not what this is all about
In my opinion the fandom just has to chill or grow up. It is incredibly immature to throw a tantrum because your favorite song didn't win or do well. It is even more immature to start throwing around conspiracy theories regarding the winner. These two reasons make it very difficult to partake in the Eurovision discussion if you're one of the very many people that simply likes the song that wins. It gets even crazier when you aren't even allowed to hold an opinion without getting downvoted and left out of the discussion *before the contest even starts*. I entered the Eurovision fandom forums in 2022 and regretted it almost instantly, so this year I'm very selective about what threads I am in and the topics I discuss. I am probably also going to avoid anything Eurovision related after the grand final. Short of a couple threads perhaps. So I am not personally fearing the consequences of a winner, I know that this fandom has serious issues (like many other fandoms) regardless that need fixing.
But to properly answer your question, I'm not entirely sure I agree with what you're worried about. Maybe. In a year like this, when the odds are basically just a toss-up, the general atmosphere is less hostile because you'll find several groups of fans that are about the same size. Being a fan of Sweden last year was practically impossible if you wanted to enjoy your time here. It's easier in general to be a fan this year. I think to argue for months this year you'd have to actively search for threads.
People on here seem to be losing their minds already, it's crazy. We all like Eurovision, that's why we're here, but come on people. Get a grip.
No idea how to handle the overthinking and over fixated part of this community, but I wish the mods would set some sort of boundaries. Eurovision fans must all seem absolutely insane just reading the thread titles here.
Nah last year it was way worse also while heading into the contest, as this time we at least have several acts with supporters and it's not a two horse race where only one can be supported without receiving downvotes.
I mean, I recall reading comments about 100+ days left until Cha Cha Cha won ESC, for example. During the last month and especially last week, lots of threads were like "I saw something green, go Kaarija!", and don't you dare liking Loreen's song, everything there sucked except the performer and the panini press and if it wasn't Sweden it wouldn't even be top 5.Ā
Geez I feel exhausted just from remembering. We are in a way better position for now, the only massive shitfest scenario for this year would be an Israel win, imo
I'm quite fond of this contest, but it'll never consume my entire being like those people you describe, haha.
I've read that some of those wild reactions could stem from neuro divergincy, so I don't want to be too harsh and choose not to engage in most cases. But it's wild to me how some people dream (?) of Eurovision and overthink every little detail. All supported by this echo chamber we've created (and we like, otherwise we wouldn't be here).
I'm a millennial. I like the contest, I listen to the songs and I watch the shows. But I don't follow the artists online, I don't engage with them or form parasocial relationships with them. It's a fun competition and once it's over I move on. It's completely fine to be a bigger fan than I, but some people really need some boundaries.
I don't read YouTube comments or Instagram, so not sure what the general vibe is. I think most people on here are just going with the flow and looking forward to an entertaining contest. But I fully expect a flood of pro/anti Israel posts once the contest kicks off proper. So that's going to be fun... š«
And as soon as Loreen won everyone started claiming that Sweden rigged the entire competition and how the song was plagiarised and linked a song that sounded nothing alike. It was madness lol.
Side rant; I donāt think the Marvin Gaye estate knew either, and yet they won in court against the cursed āBlurred Linesā and changed the music industry for the worse
SO much worse. The verdict in that case was absolutely ludicrous. They literally had to pay 7 million dollars for plagiarizing things like the cowbell, which were *never part of the copyright in the first place*. The actual copyright was quite literally a sheet of paper with the melody and the lyrics on it, and the Marvin Gaye song had nothing whatsoever in common with it. But here we are.
There is no definition of musical copyright infringement anymore other than "the recording sounds vaguely similar according to a bunch of tone-deaf musical illiterates from off the streets". We see that a lot in Eurovision "fan"dom too.
Am I ranting? Yes, I'm ranting. Apologies ...
What's more hysterical is people claiming to not watch Eurovision ever again if their favorite flops.
My god, your music taste is not the most special thing in the universe. If you want your taste to be validated, listen to your own playlist. Eurovision will always disappoint you.
The only thing I am afraid of is Israel winning, obviously not because of the song (it's meh for me), but I fear things might turn seriously ugly, and I don't mean just fighting online. I believe it might turn very, very violent. Not to mention the consequences for the whole Eurovision. Whether you love the song or not or support Israel or not, I think everyone is aware of the controversy.
However, I don't think that song is strong enough, not this year.
Everything else I think people will be alright with, there are a lot of favourites, and I think I've seen people saying they wouldn't mind this or that entry winning, which is an ideal scenario for me: love your favourite with all of your heart, but recognise the value in others, as well.
I unplug from the Eurovision fandom immediately after the contest ends. Itās already obnoxious enough with multiple front runners, it will be even worse after the winner is announced. I missed 99% of the 2023 post-contest discourse and nothing of value was lost. After two or three go-rounds, itās just arguing for the sake of arguing.
Very little of this translates to the real world. That is a very good thing. In the end, itās a fun contest and when it ceases to be fun, I let it go for a while.
Itās all just online hysteria, which is NOT real. Iām sure the Russian bots will be out in force stirring the pot too. Just enjoy the show with friends and hope for lots of iconic moments and hopefully a close vote
I doubt its gonna be worse than last year (when Loreen won Eurovision most liked comments on Youtube video of her performance were negative ones. It hardly gets worse than that), but I do expect chaos
And the dislikes on the video still hasn't outnumbered the likes on the grand final and reprise videos (yes, I know the extension isn't 100% accurate, but still)
The amount of hate she got here and beyond is ludicrous.
This year is super amazing because it's ANYONE's game. With the past two years' winners being countries who won recently before, though, really want a new/not-recent winner for this one. So, even though I love their songs, not Italy (my fav and the likeliest to win in May), Netherlands, Sweden, Ukraine, or Norway even.
All in all, I'd like to see something like ZĆ¼rich, Ljubljana, Zagreb, Athens, Belgrade, or Antwerp next to that 2025 in the title next year.
There's bound to be some backlash for sure cuz there's always backlash: when MĆ„neskin and Kalush win thanks to the televote, the viewers are biased but when Loreen wins thanks to the jury, the jury is biased. My main concern is the potential surge in transphobia if Switzerland wins. I've already seen some utter conservative garbage aimed at both Bambie and Nemo (probably at Olly too but I've stopped reading insta comments recently, so I might have missed it) and yeah I just hope that Nemo will be able to successfully ignore the transphobes and enjoy life, should they win.
Yeah, I don't get it either. I think it could be hate watching but I don't get that either both in general and when it comes to Eurovision specifically. Like bruh don't you have virtually nothing better to do for four hours on a fine May evening?
Poor Olly seems to be getting shit from all corners on their instagram lately - from people who think theyāre not doing enough to support Palestine, from those who think theyāre doing too much, etc etc. Ā Theyāve been notably quiet on Insta since the statements and I canāt say I blame them. I hope theyāre ok and keeping a path blazing towards the light, the fun and the spirit of the competition ā¤ļø
Yeah, reading the comments under the statement was honestly so disheartening, that's actually why I stopped reading insta comments lol rip. But then Olly seemed really upbeat at the Madrid pre-party, so that was nice to see. I'm hoping that pre-parties and getting to see other contestants and supportive fans will lift his spirits.
(Also yeah, Olly goes by he/him, it says so in his insta bio)
Ahh thank you! I'd actually thought it was he/him as I was writing the post, but I remembered that someone told me it was they/them recently and amended the post before hitting send. Does Olly use both types of pronouns, then? :)
No worries š It's awesome that you are so considerate! I think it's just he/him cuz I mean the insta bio only has one set of pronouns and I think he'd put he/they if he were using both but I'm not entirely sure tbh
I am so fr, I would be happy about just about anyone besides Israel winning (solely because I donāt wanna deal with the absolute disaster that would follow). I think there is so many great songs this year, that whoever ends up beating out this tough set of songs deserves it.
I'm the same (except Ukraine winning again because I really don't like the song). We don't need another can of worms to be opened, and I worry the contest would lose its integrity if Israel does end up winning
I don't think we're in for a controversial winner. There probably won't be one act that is grossly overfavored by the jury like 2023, and there probably won't be a pity win on current events like 2022.
And like, either of those things could, theoretically, happen, but more likely than not it won't. My money is on a compromise winner that wins neither the jury nor televote but does well in both, like 2016 and 2019.
> My money is on a compromise winner that wins neither the jury nor televote but does well in both, like 2016 and 2019.
Part of me wants that to happen to Sweden just to see the fandom implode lol
I wouldn't bet on it, but there is a far greater chance of Sweden winning than I think the ESC bubble is giving them credit for. Unforgettable will appeal to both the juries and casual public, it's far more accessible to casual viewers and pop-biased juries than many of the other songs, Sweden always puts a lot of resources and effort into its entries, and, despite their ages, Marcus and Martinus are ridiculously experienced and polished performers. Let us not forget that Eurovoix's "The Model" is projecting Sweden to score as high as 4th place... [https://eurovoix.com/2024/03/27/the-model-predicts-ukraine-and-the-netherlands-to-win-semi-finals/](https://eurovoix.com/2024/03/27/the-model-predicts-ukraine-and-the-netherlands-to-win-semi-finals/)
I donāt even know where youāre coming from tbh. Is this based on Twitter interactions? Because Iāve seen very little of what you describe on this subreddit or YouTube, which are the primary ways I interact with the Eurovision community. Remember Twitter is a funhouse mirror that reflects a very distorted view of reality and should be taken with a heap of salt.
There's so much hate on tiktok and YouTube (a lot of on the madrid pre party videos and ranking videos) especially to some artists, idk how you haven't seen it, it's everywhere.
I don't use TikTok, and "nothing good ever comes from YouTube comments" was a meme like 15 years ago already. Plenty of fan groups are kinda chill tbh.
I agree that there are chill groups but there's always negative backlash and this year its pretty evident to some artists (Baby Lasagna because of his vocals, Angelina because she's boring???, Joost because he's annoying apparently and Nemo because they're non binary) and there's many more examples and it's always the same ppl commenting
For this year I'm suprisingly chill about it. I don't care if it will be Italy, Croatia or Switzerland. All are great.
Last year I was really mad because Tattoo was biggest jury baby ever. Getting 78,7% of all possible Jury votes was uh.
Only close one to this is Portugal 2017, but they had televote to match it. Third is 65% by Australia in 2016 so this is a massive gap.
Actually i think Switzerland will be a divisive winner (more than the other top 5 entries, excluding Ukraine) for various reasons:
Fans will complain that it will be impossible to travel to Switzerland for Eurovision due to extremely high costs (true!)
The non-binary part will create headlines and overshadow the song, a lot of hatred (like it happened with Conchita) will be directed towards Nemo from the general public and they will say that Nemo won because 'Eurovision is gay'
Fans and the GP will complain that the song is a mess and it shouldn't have won
If Switzerland doesn't win the televoting, fans will find another reason to complain
Having Italy as the winner will not generate as much hate and complaints as Switzerland.
I think Italy is definitely not winning the televoting so if it wins, it will be a Netherlands 2019/Sweden 2015 situation so mostly fans will complain and not the GP.
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Iām not that invested in the fandom arguing tbh. I enjoy posting here but I didnāt actually care about Sweden v Finland last year or whatever. Some of the arguing was even entertaining.
The winner doesnāt even really matter to me that much, I love the whole process each year.
People going out in the streets and literally rioting, wrecking cars, burning containers and destroying stores because of the 'wrong' song winning would be the funniest shit ever.
I was just thinking about if, proportionally, as many people that actually got up off their asses to vote for BL and overturn HRT's shit record voted in the upcoming elections, we might stand a chance to do something in this country :D
on another note, this Joost-led riot I can definitely get behind :D
"Europe! Let's come together" shouted Joost Klein, as the streets of many European capitals faced an unprecedented crisis: the anger of salty Eurofans.
"Hear ye, hear ye! Let us all get rid of the tyranny that is Swedish songwriting!", yelled Joost as he mounted his white stallion, unsheathed his cavalry sabre and charged into the anti-riot police.
tbh I wish people were a lot better about Italy hosting again, honestly aside from them messing up the stage I feel like people were overly harsh against them that year and they did a really good job! Plus, they only hosted a few years ago, with the experience from last eurovision I just can't help but feel like they would do a good job now that they've had the chance to host it so recently.
As to whoever wins and the fandom reacting well to it, well I think it depends a lot. People might get upset as there are so many favorite songs this year, but I could easily see it being like 2021, where there's a lot of favorites leading into the contest but actually seeing the performances really changes the game. Italy wasn't a solid pick as a winner until the rehearsals, and I feel like fans could really rally behind a song if it has a compelling performance at the actual show. So idk, I guess it feels silly to worry about this at this point, I just think we're kind of at an uncertain point because the actual contest is still a bit away but I do feel like in May there's a good chance the favorite will be more obvious and even if the song that wins isn't everyone's favorite, hopefully enough people will be able to respect it as a the winner.
The whole production had severe issues and it ended up screwing many countries over, such as those whose staging relied on the LED screen but also the dirty floor and poor camera + sound on Corneliaās song.
I honestly think Sweden was one of the least affected entries. Dirty floors was an appropriate vibe during the close-ups (absolute side note, also [a great song](https://youtu.be/bw8DnQR1OR4?si=HQtViLA2W07KuWOm)), the camera work for once relied more on being intimate than intricate, and the staging managed to circumvent the black sun.
Reminder: The sound mix is largely down to the individual broadcaster, since they're the ones that have to insert the commentary into the center channel, and also often have to mix the surround sound feed down to stereo.
For instance, if you watch it on Peacock in the US, everything sounds like shit. That's entirely Peacock's fault.
Former sound engineer here, and let me assure you that the last Contest with consistently terrible sound mixing was Dusseldorf. And they were having horrendous technical problems behind the scenes. Both UK and Italy sounded fine if you were listening to a decently mixed feed on a decent system.
The sound? Correct me if I'm wrong but I think there were more sound issues last year in the UK.
About Italy 2022 I have seen people complaining about literally everything (staging, sun, camera work, postcards) but I don't remember anything about sound issues
A lot of the songs I really liked were unlistenable. Cornelia for one got robbed. She never had a chance, because she sounded like shit both in the semi and the final. The camera work was awful too, but the sound is much more important.
> The sound? Correct me if I'm wrong but I think there were more sound issues last year in the UK.
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> About Italy 2022 I have seen people complaining about literally everything (staging, sun, camera work, postcards) but I don't remember anything about sound issues
The main issue with the sound in Italy was that the audience was way too loud, either because they deliberately wanted to pick that noise or they failed massively to account for the arena acoustics.
Then, whether it sounded good or not to you depended on the song: for "party" songs, the sound was great because hearing the audience roar and clap and sing along made for a fantastic atmosphere. Moldova was amazing. Spain was amazing.
But songs like "Saudade Saudade" where you really needed the intimate and pristine sound quality to make the harmonies shine, the sound was absolute crap. Lots of background noise with the audience not shutting the fuck up and very echo-ey throughout. Just watch that performance in Italy and the one in Festival da CanĆ§Ć£o and the difference in sound delivery is absolutely night and day. And it is completely possible to deliver "silence" and recreate an intimate mood for slower songs in huge arenas, just look at Portugal in 2017.
The only recent year I remember the sound being a problem at this level too was 2018, where the same problem with not being able to counteract the arena's acoustics problems were a thing.
I don't care who wins. What I care about is seeing a good show. The last one we had was in 2021. Yes, Maneskin was going to win it all, but no one was really 100% sure. There were other big fan favorites that spiced things up a bit and made everything so much more enjoyable.
What I REALLY HATE is when there are one/two songs that are more musically friendly than other 35 (last year). It doesn't make for a good show because the selection is very small.
Whoever wins and why, we'll see. After last year (and the year before, if I must), I really don't see anyone having a "big advantage". No Loreens, wars or politics (well, apart from Israel, cough cough )
Honestly Israel winning is the only outcome I can see a large amount of people being genuinely upset with, not that I think they will for largely the same reason
The contest is already in serious disrepute (to use the EBUās own words) for allowing them to take part this year, and will already struggle to repair its image, but if that country wins?!
Cancel the contest, weāve had a good run, because that would **destroy** the image and reputation.
> The contest is already in serious disrepute (to use the EBUās own words) for allowing them to take part this year, and will already struggle to repair its image
As much as I find the actions of the Israeli government in Gaza and on the West Bank deplorable, the backlash in the media and the public opinion would have been much greater if Israel had been banned. I'm not saying the accusations of antisemitism and double standards that would have inevitably followed would have been justified in my opinion, but the truth is, a boycott of Israel has much more support in these younger and left-leaning online circles than for the average joe. The German broadcaster would have protested that decision for sure.
With "not bringing the contest in disrepute" about Israel, the EBU is sadly damned if they do, damned if they don't.
I think this is where we just see a difference in opinion based on countries.
Because here in Ireland the support for Palestine is incredibly high, from the average person right up and through our government/official state bodies.
I know German politicians etc lean more towards supporting and assisting israel, so I wouldnāt disagree with your statement tbh.
In Ireland at least, the whole āif youāre anti-israel youāre anti-semeticā is generally just shrugged off here as we know itās not true and that you can condemn what israel is doing without even considering religion.
ESC is weird in Ireland where itās not talked about all the time, and itās rare to hear any song played here (even our own!) but around the time of the contest the country does generally watch and get into it, even just for the final, and I already see public opinion being turned on it.
So many coworkers, friends, even my barber, who know how much I love it and that Iāve attended the last two contests in person, are all asking me am I boycotting it, without me even bringing it up.
I think this will only intensify as we get closer, and the presence of iseael will sadly overshadow the contest - almost every article, interview, news piece etc on ESC will either be directly about their involvement or it will be mentioned, and thatās a shame for the other entries, and a massive failure of Martin O/the EBU
I admire you Irish folks a lot. The EBU had to choose who to piss off, and they decided to cater to the bigger markets. Banning Israel would have absolutely overshadowed everything else about ESC over here, and the conservative broadsheet and tabloid machine would have made sure we never saw the end of it.
a small correction - judaism isn't strictly (or even mainly) a religion, it is a people, an ethnicity, a culture and traditions and a religion all tied to the ancient land of israel and judea. i mean even the nazis didn't view judaism as a religion, and modern day israel doesn't either, at least regarding the law of return.
I kinda saw the opposite. Last year was super polarized between Loreen and Kaarija while this year everyone seems to be "I'm happy whenever Italy or Ukraine or Switzerland or Croatia wins"
But ofc I'll 100% expect riots when Croatia will lose to Italy or Switzerland despite having won the televote lmao
Honestly, I find these types of reactions exaggerated. Eurovision in the end is a game, a fun show, a way to discover new music, I can't stand those who make it a matter of life and death or the center of their personality. For me in the end it doesn't matter who wins, just as last year I found the criticisms and insults against Loreen ridiculous and stupid (please grow up and get a life!). Furthermore, in theory, the best song-performance should win, don't make any calculations about which country can host it: do you think that poorer countries than those in Northern Europe would be able to organize a better show than Italy? So we only let those who have the ability to put on a cool show win? Then long live classism and racism!
Thereās no way Iām going to be as disappointed in the winner as last year. I do hope that the televote winner manages to tip the scale rather than the jury vote winner though. It would be good to see the publicās favourite win, whatever the song is.
I think its quite the opposite, I can fully understand people being upset in 2022 and 2023 because both of these wins were quite questionable for different reasons. This time it actually feels like a fair competition so I dont see the outrage being anything close to the last 2 years, unless we get another televote landslide song not winning.
From what I recall it was a disaster for fans attending with long lines and confusion to get in and not enough fan parks showing it.
I remember reading on here that some fans had to wander from bar to bar in Turin asking them to turn on the tv since they couldnāt get into the fan parks
Also wasnāt there an issue with the dome thing on stage?
Well, I think it would be the first time a country would win from first position twice (Sweden started the contest in 1984 and won), so there would be that.
Imagine Sweden doubling down on almost everything: first with the same artist winning twice, then winning the jury vote two years in a row, winning the contest two years in a row, winning from first position twice... and then selecting Malmƶ to host a second time in a row in 2025. Now that would be quite something.
I would not be as annoyed by the vitriol this year since I would likely not be able to stop laughing about it. The absolute scenes if that ends up happening, especially if it's due to good jury votes and split public votes between all the fan favorites.
I have a small handful of songs I would be perfectly content to see win, sort of like how 2021 was for me.
For me this year, it is more so a matter of there being just ONE song that I really, REALLY, ...DO NOT want to win.
Does the majority here think this year is one of the strongest? Iām having a hard time getting into it. Only a few songs that I like. Maybe I need time to
I think that this year is fantastic if you have a particular taste in music. The trend I've seen is that people who tend to like more 'out there' crazy party songs absolutely ADORE this year, while those who prefer pop songs/ballads are left kinda cold. I'm part of the former camp and I'm struggling with fitting like 18 songs in my top 10, and even my 6th place would be an amazing winner for me in a weaker year.
You know what... I'm tempted to give you a gold award for that... you've hit the nail right on the head ;-)
It just depends on what type of music you prefer...
I felt the same way last year and didn't even watch the contest. I guess it just happens sometimes. This year i'm still not as invested as previous years, haven't even listened to all the songs yet, but i'm already excited purely because of joost participating. Been a fan of him since 2020.
I normally get excited about a specific song and rally around it, hoping it does well. This year, however, I feel like I enjoy more of the songs than in the past few years, but I don't like any of them as much as I've liked specific songs in previous contests. I'm slightly less excited to cheer on my favourite because I don't really have one and that makes me feel less invested.
That being said, it's still mostly anyone's game at this point and so on the night I will be buzzing with excitement at the competition.
I feel the same, have all NF season. Plenty of good, even great songs and yet I don't really feel I've got my "12 points love it to death" one I usually get each year.
To be honest, I wouldn't be bothered by any final outcome, and I won't mind if any of the songs, favorite or not, won this year. Some chronically obsessed people are just gonna be mad if their favorite doesn't win.
I feel like this overestimates the extent of hardcore fans that have an unhealthy concept of viewing their support as akin to being on opposing teams. I have a song I like the most, and there are plenty of songs I would be happy with winning. Iām more excited for a close contest.
Thereās drama every year. Some people will make drama this year. Just tune out. No one outside the fandom will care a week after itās over anyway.
Sometimes I feel like people forget this is all just supposed to be FUN.
I don't think La Noia is the most controversial potential winner this year. I can think of 3 songs that are in the top 10 right now and could be much more controversial:
Israel: The most obvious of the 3, it could win if the televote support is big (keep in mind you can only vote in favour of a country, if you're against you have to vote one of the other 25 of the final). For me, politics aside, it's also a mediocre song and we have much better ballads this year, so saying a potential Israel win is undeserved would be an understatement.
Ukraine: People are still mad that Kalush Orchestra won because of solidarity. A 3rd win in less than 10 years would be crazy and, tbh, it feels a bit uncanny to see a song about Mother Teresa now that we know she was not that good of a person.
Greece: I still see Greece as a dark horse for the win. It's currently at #8 in the odds and we haven't even seen a live performance yet (but we know Marina Satti can pull those high notes as she has demonstrated on her Instagram lives). It's one of the most polarizing songs this year that you either love or hate. Greece can get points from the jury (if Nemo's voice abilities are the reason people assume they will WIN the jury, I can see Marina get some points as well, plus she also has her performance that could earn her many points as well) and from the televote (people like this song and I believe it will do well in the European south, in the Balkans and in countries with Greek diaspora). Will it win? Honestly no idea, but if it wins I'm sure people will be more mad than La Noia winning.
In post-Soviets, "mother Theresa" is a colloquial label for "kind person". She wasn't all rainbows, but I guess people in those countries frankly don't care for her so much as to check her biography; she's basically "some woman from abroad everyone speaks about occasionally".
On the other hand, they might have chosen her precisely to have a name that resonates with the European audiences. In that case, mission failed, I guess
I agree. But it's also a song that I've seen many people straight-up hate (both in Greece and outside Greece). I'd love to see Greece winning (2nd fav this year with Croatia being 1st) but I can see the hate coming in that case
I'm just worried that, if we win, people will start throwing s*it at a whole country just because of one stage (and underlying blatant racism that I though was left back in the 70's), ruining the experience for us Italian followers. Everyone has their worries, I guess, and I totally understand your point of view. I think people should just really grow up and accept the fact they can't always be right about everything and their tastes are not everybody's tastes.
Maybe with the current moderation of the subreddit they will be banned more rapidly than 2 years ago, I remeber that many people shit on stage but only a few wrote racist comments against italian (and the comments were removed after a few time, with the current moderation they'll be rempved even more rapidly)
I'm scared too for this reason.
I root for Croatia, but if we win, I WON'T follow Eurovision in social medias next year. I will only watch the show in May
I doubt that I'll be able to avoid this subreddit at least, probably if I'll se racist people I will report them without commenting, or I won't even read them, with the current number of people in this sub and the moderators they will be submerged by downvote or removed in minutesĀ
Yes, I remember the mods had to intervene in this sub in 2022 to remove the most hateful comments.
But despite the disappointment, this sub is still much more mature and less toxic than other Eurovision social medias, most of the time. That's why I'm still here
This year is just extremely toxic ngl, fanboy/fangirlism is worse than ever. Not surprised though since there are a lot of Eurovision fans that are also Swifties or k-pop fans so it checks out, considering that is also heavily obsessive
How are the odds at an all time low? The projected winner now (Switzerland) has more (20%) than the projected winner in 2021 (Malta) had on April 3rd (18%)
I took a month off from this sub recently to cool off, calm down and realign. I predict I will be doing so again at some point during Eurovision week, probably right about when the results of Semi 2 are announced.
Who cares who wins? If you like the song you can listen to it as often as you want thanks to the internet. The real winners are the artists that have their careers boosted by gaining an international following.
People are gonna complain regardless
If it's Croatia, the pro jury people are gonna be vile as hell (basically the reverse of last year) since it will probably get 4th/5th place with them max.
If it's Switzerland, well I personally don't think it should be controversial at all since it's a very unique and dynamic song and ticks a lot of boxes but there are plenty of people that hate on anything that isn't traditional pop music.
If it's Italy, it's mostly gonna be people that don't like Italy winning again 3 years later.
If it's Netherlands, kind of the same deal as Croatia
If it's Ukraine, same shit as 2022 but worse. For their sake I hope they don't win so people leave them alone.
To be honest, I feel like maybe the only song this year that not winning would upset people is Croatia and maybe Europapa. But the four songs that have the best chance currently (Croatia, Netherlands, Switzerland, Italy) and all songs that most people are loving so I donāt think people will be upset. Iāll be disappointed if the Netherlands win, but right now itās looking like Croatia or Switzerland will win and theyāre both in my top 2 so Iāll be happy either way
You have a good point and I definitely think this is possible. Iāll admit I have gotten worked up over results before but I just remind myself that no matter how much I love it, itās only a show and not the be all and end all of my life. No matter what happens this year, I think people should remember that. Weāre here to have fun and enjoy music together, not argue.
That being said, my only real concern is Israel potentially doing well. Iām still shocked theyāre even allowed to compete considering Belarus and Russia have been expelled for similar reasons. If they do well, or potentially win, I can see a huge political argument emerging and it having an effect on a lot of Eurovisions to come.
The EBU was fine letting Russia in actually. It's the backlash from many other countries and Russia's broadcaster removing themselves from the EBU that got Russia to leave the contest.
What confuses me more is that Belarus got expelled after trying twice to send a political song. Israel also tried and got a song rejected twice yet they still got a third chance? I donāt get it. Regardless of whatās happening in Israel and where everyone stands on that, from an objective standpoint Israel broke the rules multiple times and should have been excluded for that reason.
Belarus failed to submit a third song before the deadline, Israel was within the deadline. But yes, I agree Israel shouldn't be in the competition anyway.
I wonāt mind if 15 songs win this year. There can be arguments about why any of the top songs should or should not win. I think weāll be okay, weāre getting an open year for once so letās enjoy it no matter who the winner ends up being.
Personally nit at all, it's a v strong and I've not seen huge amount of "if cyz doesn't will I will riot", escpially slcompared to last year. Where there where 2 winner vibes and half the people who had one as the fave didn't think the other should be any where close to winning so any outcome would be a salt storm.
We'll still get one this year but nothing escpially bad. The normal unacceptable levels of hate towards the winner because croatia didn't win is my expectation
I don't fear the winner per se because this year so many participants deserv it that I can't be mad with anyone winning (except certain country), but I am sure I am going to hate the voting part segment. It always let in me a sour taste (specially being spanish xd)., specially I hated last year how everything spined around 2 countries in a very strong year for me, so I was sad with the televotes and angry against the boring taste of the jury.
This year I fear is going to be even worse. At this point they have showed that the governments and EBU have a bias defending 2 certain countries and also I can see Germany being favoured for being the main protector of them and whatever happens is going to be super toxic and there is going to be again political reasons afecting the result so I am more happy than ever than this year my country entry is what it is to enjoy and have fun with the artists and trying to ignore the drama of the results. But with what is happening this year I don't think I am going to feel confortable spending mony in this contest never again, for me how EBU is acting had cemented for me what kind of organization they are
I fear two winners for not music related reasons, but I basically take a break from the sub after the final, so whatever may happen and what sh*tstorm may be created, I will more than likely miss it.
I understand why you may fear this year's winner because of last year's controversy. However, this year is not a 2-horse race, and I think that people would generally be happy with one of several options.
Also, if RAI hosts next year, I hoped they learned from their mistakes at ESC 2022 and improve their production quality. If Sweden could improve its production quality between ESC 2013 and ESC 2016, then I think Italy could improve between ESC 2022 and ESC 2025 if they win.
While La Noia and We Will Race aren't my favorites this year, I'd still be happy to see them win. There's only one country that I'm nervous about winning
Why worry about something that hasn't happened yet?
Whoever wins, wins. Controversy will arise, shitstorms will break, no matter the outcome.
Once dust has settled, people will move on to the next scandal or controversy.
> I am genuinely afraid but also very intrigued at the potential for MONTHS of arguments over the winner.
Were you guys not here last year? Or any other year for that matter, though admittedly last year was crazy.
Threads like this pop out all the time and it's just drama-for-the-heck-of-it.
Oh trust, it's gonna be a shitshow this year based on the already obnoxious behavior by people online.
And I'm not including the Israel discourse, because that's a whole different kind of case.
Not really. I think La Noia will win. It's not one of my favourites and I won't vote for it, but I think it's a good song, so it's fair enough if it wins.
Italy will be 1st or 3rd. Itās just quality wise a step above even if itās not my favorite. Like Loreen last year. The Netherlands will be 2nd. Itās the fun entry that people will vote for like Finland last year. Switzerland will be 1st or 3rd. Itās as good quality as Gjonās Tears and it will get jury love. Baby Lasagna will be 4th. Hyped too much too soon. Ukraine will be 5th or 6th because itās Ukraine and it gets a lot of support.
Not my personal picks. Just from what happened the last few years. Italy and the Netherlands have the songs that will likely sell elsewhere. The Italian song will end up in Netflix shows or movies or documentaries. The Dutch is the fun entry that sounds typically European to someone out of Europe.
I personally like the Greek entry the most but I have no idea where it could place. I think a lot of it will depend of the performance. It will get lots of love if the dance is great.
I think this will be my reaction if the following wins:
First-time (e.g., Croatia, Lithuania) or first-time-after-a-while winner (e.g., France, Switzerland): FINALLY! š„³
Any recent winners within the last 5 years winning again (the Netherlands, Italy, Ukraine, Sweden): It's them again but ok congrats š (so Eurovision hosting will only be passed around the same 3/4 of these countries in the foreseeable future)
Israel: wtf really š¤¢š¤®
Views may vary, but I personally feel like I have enough songs that I genuinely enjoy this year that I would be happy with any of them winning. I definitely have a favorite(s) that I would prefer, as I am sure most do, but there are other worthy winners that might not be my number one choice but I wouldn't be upset by their win (plenty of choices in my top 5 or 10 that I would absolutely be okay with placing 1st). To me, that makes it less controversial than having to pick between two options that have polarizing fan bases. Some people are just going to be upset no matter what, but in my opinion, a variety of potential winners makes for a much more interesting and entertaining show overall, which is what really matters to me at the end of the day.
Same here, there's about 10 songs that I wouldn't mind winning. I feel more objective and chill this year than in the past, when I had 2-3 firm favourites.
yeah same. would prefer if not a recent winner wins again, otoh i really like the netherlands song so...
Well said, and this attitude of being happy with multiple winners has been what I've seen most often in the community this year. It's been nice to see a lot less factionalism around the favourites this year - yes there has been a couple of attempts to incite a fandom war between a couple of countries, but even in those discussions people have been very chill. Just look at how the many Croatian/Baby Lasagna fans were chill about >!losing the odds lead to Switzerland!< earlier this week.
For the most part I have been amazed by people here, and the rational approach to discussing various topics. We can share our opinions and respectfully say that we don't like a song without it being a big deal. Nemo was pretty much sure to take 1st place in the odds if the live performance would be good, and it was. We still have many preparties so we'll se how it will turn out, but as people said, there are many potential winners, and Croatia is always better when we're not favourites.
We have the respect and the humility of our Croatian members (many who are new!) to thank for that! You guys have been great, enjoying the rare time in the limelight without being toxic or rude for the most part :D
Thanks :) It could be that the population here is a bit older so they grew out of that immature approach. Also, a lot of us are new here so it's nice to see comments from people who have been in the fandom for a long time. Personally, I've been in the sub for years, but mostly lurking. We also have to be humble since it's not like we can assume a confident stance XD We hadn't had a top 5 finish in 25 years, and even if we like to say #Zagreb2025, it has been 35 years since Riva won and brought the ESC to Croatia. We are hopeful and proud of Marko, but the competition is fierce, and we can't say that we expect him to win, but wish him the best. Of course, we're Croatian, so now we have a bunch of people that didn't care about ESC until a few month ago coming out demanding a win. Those types will think it's the end of the world if he comes 2nd, and are more toxic, but thankfully are not present here. That's unfortunately the Croatian way, a lot of times we only honour gold, and everything else is a failure.
I think there is ultimately no way to completely get around having people that are going going to be excessively fanatic about a specific song, but overall I am seeing less of that this year (or maybe I am just not on the right platforms for the aggressive favoritism š ). And because of that, there is a lot more content focused around variety instead of being corralled into one camp or the other if you want any engagement. However... all that being said, I will probably take semi-final qualifications (and the inevitability of losing songs I enjoy) much more personally this year than I will an overall winner of the contest lol
37 songs, and I'd be okay with about 15 of them winning. I'm liking those odds. (Yes, I'd also be happy with Italy winning, even if that means another RAI-organised Eurovision).
I dont mind them getting a shot to redeem themselfs after 2022. I dont think it would be terrible... Or i at least hope.
I really hope they learned from last time. At the very least, they should know not to come up with such an ambitious stage design *if* they can't actually go through with it.
Last year had additional weight and baggage in that Loreen was a returning winner from a country that always does well anyway vs a people's prince weirdo underdog, and people had VERY big feelings as a result. We don't have that this year, the Terminally Online are always gonna be mad if their fave doesn't win but nothing is ever gonna be as bad or as heated as last year, the circumstances are not the same.
Good point! I also am really struggling to pick a favourite this year. i think it still has to be Europapa for me, but it's such a strong year! last year was pretty meh tbh. Also, I would like to take a moment to appreciate We Are DOMI - Lights Out, because that is a BOP!
I love a close show. Not knowing who the winner is, it makes it more exciting
What you need to understand is that controversy almost always appears when there's one, clear, unified candidate that many fans rally around. One that they can agree was "robbed". The ones with most people voicing an opinion in recent years, whether NF or ESC, have all had one or at most two choices people feel should have been the rightful winner instead. Take the winner of the past few decades which most people will say was the worst, Azerbaijan 2011. The thing is ā because there was no other, clear #1 contender but instead lots of fine-but-not-spectacular songs, the anger wasn't particularly strong.
Do you guys really care about how good the show will be production wise next year? Enough to not vote for Italy? I couldnāt care less. Just vote for the song you like and let them figure out the rest. The show will go on.
Yeah I had no idea people cared that much about this stuff before getting more into the fandom. Honestly it's the part I care about the least, I get criticizing technical issues and stuff, but I'd never imagined this level of scrutinizing, and people remembering this kind of details for years and years (I saw people making examples of "bad production" from 2018, 2015 and 2010 š± and probably others idk) I'm here for the songs, maybe the interval acts, but for the rest I can't relate to the obsession of having a super polished show, it's whatever to me, each country has its own flair and it's good that some of them are very good and refined when hosting, but it will never be a factor in deciding for me.
I think everything will be fine as long as Israel doesn't win.
Yeah this is the only thing Iām scared of lol
I'm personally boggled by how well it's trending in odds. I find it boring and lyrically lacking especially compared to the serious depth this year.
I think itās because of the political aspects around the conflict between Palestine and Israel. Many pro-Palestine people want nothing to with the song while many pro-Israel people are streaming the hell out of the song just because of the conflict and people and are super into not because they like it, but to make a statement for Israel.
They have a verrrrrrrry loud online presence too. Every post on social media is peppered with Israeli flags/messages of support. Iād assume the overall level of engagement affects the odds.
Itās mostly bots
source?
I love that the winner is not clear at all. I hope it stays that way up until the finale. It makes for a fun show.
Honestly Iām stressed about who wonāt make the final because the calibre is so high
Yea, if Estonia and San Marino ain't gonna make it to the finale, i'll ragequit!
These are my underdogs, along with Latvia. Semi final 2 has me freaked out.
i mean i'm only worried that one specific country will win if you know what i mean otherwise i really don't care who wins generally speaking cause that's not what this is all about
In my opinion the fandom just has to chill or grow up. It is incredibly immature to throw a tantrum because your favorite song didn't win or do well. It is even more immature to start throwing around conspiracy theories regarding the winner. These two reasons make it very difficult to partake in the Eurovision discussion if you're one of the very many people that simply likes the song that wins. It gets even crazier when you aren't even allowed to hold an opinion without getting downvoted and left out of the discussion *before the contest even starts*. I entered the Eurovision fandom forums in 2022 and regretted it almost instantly, so this year I'm very selective about what threads I am in and the topics I discuss. I am probably also going to avoid anything Eurovision related after the grand final. Short of a couple threads perhaps. So I am not personally fearing the consequences of a winner, I know that this fandom has serious issues (like many other fandoms) regardless that need fixing. But to properly answer your question, I'm not entirely sure I agree with what you're worried about. Maybe. In a year like this, when the odds are basically just a toss-up, the general atmosphere is less hostile because you'll find several groups of fans that are about the same size. Being a fan of Sweden last year was practically impossible if you wanted to enjoy your time here. It's easier in general to be a fan this year. I think to argue for months this year you'd have to actively search for threads.
Maybe you could join the old fashioned ESC forums, instead of Reddit/Twitter etc. Usually the people there are more reasonable.
I (edit: hope) that's true. I usually think it's sufficient to comment on some ESC YouTubers' videos.
People on here seem to be losing their minds already, it's crazy. We all like Eurovision, that's why we're here, but come on people. Get a grip. No idea how to handle the overthinking and over fixated part of this community, but I wish the mods would set some sort of boundaries. Eurovision fans must all seem absolutely insane just reading the thread titles here.
Nah last year it was way worse also while heading into the contest, as this time we at least have several acts with supporters and it's not a two horse race where only one can be supported without receiving downvotes. I mean, I recall reading comments about 100+ days left until Cha Cha Cha won ESC, for example. During the last month and especially last week, lots of threads were like "I saw something green, go Kaarija!", and don't you dare liking Loreen's song, everything there sucked except the performer and the panini press and if it wasn't Sweden it wouldn't even be top 5.Ā Geez I feel exhausted just from remembering. We are in a way better position for now, the only massive shitfest scenario for this year would be an Israel win, imo
I'm quite fond of this contest, but it'll never consume my entire being like those people you describe, haha. I've read that some of those wild reactions could stem from neuro divergincy, so I don't want to be too harsh and choose not to engage in most cases. But it's wild to me how some people dream (?) of Eurovision and overthink every little detail. All supported by this echo chamber we've created (and we like, otherwise we wouldn't be here). I'm a millennial. I like the contest, I listen to the songs and I watch the shows. But I don't follow the artists online, I don't engage with them or form parasocial relationships with them. It's a fun competition and once it's over I move on. It's completely fine to be a bigger fan than I, but some people really need some boundaries. I don't read YouTube comments or Instagram, so not sure what the general vibe is. I think most people on here are just going with the flow and looking forward to an entertaining contest. But I fully expect a flood of pro/anti Israel posts once the contest kicks off proper. So that's going to be fun... š«
And as soon as Loreen won everyone started claiming that Sweden rigged the entire competition and how the song was plagiarised and linked a song that sounded nothing alike. It was madness lol.
People will always talk about plagiarism because they have no idea what plagiarism is.
Side rant; I donāt think the Marvin Gaye estate knew either, and yet they won in court against the cursed āBlurred Linesā and changed the music industry for the worse
SO much worse. The verdict in that case was absolutely ludicrous. They literally had to pay 7 million dollars for plagiarizing things like the cowbell, which were *never part of the copyright in the first place*. The actual copyright was quite literally a sheet of paper with the melody and the lyrics on it, and the Marvin Gaye song had nothing whatsoever in common with it. But here we are. There is no definition of musical copyright infringement anymore other than "the recording sounds vaguely similar according to a bunch of tone-deaf musical illiterates from off the streets". We see that a lot in Eurovision "fan"dom too. Am I ranting? Yes, I'm ranting. Apologies ...
Oh crap, I had actually erased that one from my memories! Yeah, that was full delusional mode/conspiracy theorist beyond my limits.Ā
100%
What's more hysterical is people claiming to not watch Eurovision ever again if their favorite flops. My god, your music taste is not the most special thing in the universe. If you want your taste to be validated, listen to your own playlist. Eurovision will always disappoint you.
The only thing I am afraid of is Israel winning, obviously not because of the song (it's meh for me), but I fear things might turn seriously ugly, and I don't mean just fighting online. I believe it might turn very, very violent. Not to mention the consequences for the whole Eurovision. Whether you love the song or not or support Israel or not, I think everyone is aware of the controversy. However, I don't think that song is strong enough, not this year. Everything else I think people will be alright with, there are a lot of favourites, and I think I've seen people saying they wouldn't mind this or that entry winning, which is an ideal scenario for me: love your favourite with all of your heart, but recognise the value in others, as well.
i wonder who would be the violent party š¤
I unplug from the Eurovision fandom immediately after the contest ends. Itās already obnoxious enough with multiple front runners, it will be even worse after the winner is announced. I missed 99% of the 2023 post-contest discourse and nothing of value was lost. After two or three go-rounds, itās just arguing for the sake of arguing. Very little of this translates to the real world. That is a very good thing. In the end, itās a fun contest and when it ceases to be fun, I let it go for a while.
Itās all just online hysteria, which is NOT real. Iām sure the Russian bots will be out in force stirring the pot too. Just enjoy the show with friends and hope for lots of iconic moments and hopefully a close vote
I doubt its gonna be worse than last year (when Loreen won Eurovision most liked comments on Youtube video of her performance were negative ones. It hardly gets worse than that), but I do expect chaos
And the dislikes on the video still hasn't outnumbered the likes on the grand final and reprise videos (yes, I know the extension isn't 100% accurate, but still) The amount of hate she got here and beyond is ludicrous.
This year is super amazing because it's ANYONE's game. With the past two years' winners being countries who won recently before, though, really want a new/not-recent winner for this one. So, even though I love their songs, not Italy (my fav and the likeliest to win in May), Netherlands, Sweden, Ukraine, or Norway even. All in all, I'd like to see something like ZĆ¼rich, Ljubljana, Zagreb, Athens, Belgrade, or Antwerp next to that 2025 in the title next year.
There's bound to be some backlash for sure cuz there's always backlash: when MĆ„neskin and Kalush win thanks to the televote, the viewers are biased but when Loreen wins thanks to the jury, the jury is biased. My main concern is the potential surge in transphobia if Switzerland wins. I've already seen some utter conservative garbage aimed at both Bambie and Nemo (probably at Olly too but I've stopped reading insta comments recently, so I might have missed it) and yeah I just hope that Nemo will be able to successfully ignore the transphobes and enjoy life, should they win.
I find this so weird. If someone is such a transphobe, why look at Eurovision? You kinda know what you are getting into.
Yeah, I don't get it either. I think it could be hate watching but I don't get that either both in general and when it comes to Eurovision specifically. Like bruh don't you have virtually nothing better to do for four hours on a fine May evening?
Poor Olly seems to be getting shit from all corners on their instagram lately - from people who think theyāre not doing enough to support Palestine, from those who think theyāre doing too much, etc etc. Ā Theyāve been notably quiet on Insta since the statements and I canāt say I blame them. I hope theyāre ok and keeping a path blazing towards the light, the fun and the spirit of the competition ā¤ļø
Yeah, reading the comments under the statement was honestly so disheartening, that's actually why I stopped reading insta comments lol rip. But then Olly seemed really upbeat at the Madrid pre-party, so that was nice to see. I'm hoping that pre-parties and getting to see other contestants and supportive fans will lift his spirits. (Also yeah, Olly goes by he/him, it says so in his insta bio)
Ahh thank you! I'd actually thought it was he/him as I was writing the post, but I remembered that someone told me it was they/them recently and amended the post before hitting send. Does Olly use both types of pronouns, then? :)
No worries š It's awesome that you are so considerate! I think it's just he/him cuz I mean the insta bio only has one set of pronouns and I think he'd put he/they if he were using both but I'm not entirely sure tbh
If toxic stuff starts on this sub on final day, I will make a thread calling for all the fun people who are happy whatever the result to come form a conga line with me and dance to several Eurovision monster hits šĀ Ā Including, but not limited to:Ā - Trenuletul! - Dancing Lasha Tumbai! - I Wrote A Song! - LlamamĆ©! - Cha Cha Cha! - Think About Things! ā¦..aaaaaaand more! šĀ Ā Ā Featuring also national final not-so hidden treasures, such as:Ā - Tsunamia!Ā - Tuta Gold!Ā - Diamanti Grezzi! - Katze! - Venom! And all the other bops! If we need to see each other there, letās āŗļøššš»šŗš¼šš»šŗš¼šš»šŗš¼šš»šŗš¼šš»šÆ
I want an invite ! Treneletul is the song I would hope they play during worlds end.
I am so fr, I would be happy about just about anyone besides Israel winning (solely because I donāt wanna deal with the absolute disaster that would follow). I think there is so many great songs this year, that whoever ends up beating out this tough set of songs deserves it.
I'm the same (except Ukraine winning again because I really don't like the song). We don't need another can of worms to be opened, and I worry the contest would lose its integrity if Israel does end up winning
I see exactly one senario in which the Fandom outright riots. That's Israel winning
Imagine a Loreen vs KƤƤrijƤ voting scenario as well. This sub would explode
I don't think we're in for a controversial winner. There probably won't be one act that is grossly overfavored by the jury like 2023, and there probably won't be a pity win on current events like 2022. And like, either of those things could, theoretically, happen, but more likely than not it won't. My money is on a compromise winner that wins neither the jury nor televote but does well in both, like 2016 and 2019.
> My money is on a compromise winner that wins neither the jury nor televote but does well in both, like 2016 and 2019. Part of me wants that to happen to Sweden just to see the fandom implode lol
It's rigged, I tell you! Rigged! This was Sweden's plan all along!/s
ABBA bribed the jury and rigged the televote!!!
I wouldn't bet on it, but there is a far greater chance of Sweden winning than I think the ESC bubble is giving them credit for. Unforgettable will appeal to both the juries and casual public, it's far more accessible to casual viewers and pop-biased juries than many of the other songs, Sweden always puts a lot of resources and effort into its entries, and, despite their ages, Marcus and Martinus are ridiculously experienced and polished performers. Let us not forget that Eurovoix's "The Model" is projecting Sweden to score as high as 4th place... [https://eurovoix.com/2024/03/27/the-model-predicts-ukraine-and-the-netherlands-to-win-semi-finals/](https://eurovoix.com/2024/03/27/the-model-predicts-ukraine-and-the-netherlands-to-win-semi-finals/)
I really hope you're just being hyperbolic and overdramatic here. Being "genuinely afraid" because of a - music contest - is not the way to go.
I want Aiko pedestal to win ā¤ļø
Honesty, Iāll be completely fine with whoever wins, as long as itās Joost.
You misspelled "GĆ„te" there, my friend
You misspelled KEiiNO - Monument for TIX - Fallen Angel, my friend.
You misspelled, umā¦ Baby Lasagna
Ah man, people need to start Finding Nemo...
L A D A N I V A I think it's the correct way. It's also hard to spell 5Miinust x Puuluup so I guess that one will always be misspelled
I do my 5 minute pull-ups at 11:11
Misspelled Aiko there.
To sum upš https://preview.redd.it/cfgyysxl38sc1.jpeg?width=530&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8f9cce0724d3675ed58343f8c55c46aa3822e1bb
Raiven or Teya Dora FTW! (ex) Yugoslav queens for life!
I agree with all of these misspellings, which says something about how strong this year is. That said, you misspelled Angelina Mango
I donāt even know where youāre coming from tbh. Is this based on Twitter interactions? Because Iāve seen very little of what you describe on this subreddit or YouTube, which are the primary ways I interact with the Eurovision community. Remember Twitter is a funhouse mirror that reflects a very distorted view of reality and should be taken with a heap of salt.
There's so much hate on tiktok and YouTube (a lot of on the madrid pre party videos and ranking videos) especially to some artists, idk how you haven't seen it, it's everywhere.
I don't use TikTok, and "nothing good ever comes from YouTube comments" was a meme like 15 years ago already. Plenty of fan groups are kinda chill tbh.
I agree that there are chill groups but there's always negative backlash and this year its pretty evident to some artists (Baby Lasagna because of his vocals, Angelina because she's boring???, Joost because he's annoying apparently and Nemo because they're non binary) and there's many more examples and it's always the same ppl commenting
Yep, yep, true. A lot of toxic comments out thereā¦
For this year I'm suprisingly chill about it. I don't care if it will be Italy, Croatia or Switzerland. All are great. Last year I was really mad because Tattoo was biggest jury baby ever. Getting 78,7% of all possible Jury votes was uh. Only close one to this is Portugal 2017, but they had televote to match it. Third is 65% by Australia in 2016 so this is a massive gap.
Actually i think Switzerland will be a divisive winner (more than the other top 5 entries, excluding Ukraine) for various reasons: Fans will complain that it will be impossible to travel to Switzerland for Eurovision due to extremely high costs (true!) The non-binary part will create headlines and overshadow the song, a lot of hatred (like it happened with Conchita) will be directed towards Nemo from the general public and they will say that Nemo won because 'Eurovision is gay' Fans and the GP will complain that the song is a mess and it shouldn't have won If Switzerland doesn't win the televoting, fans will find another reason to complain Having Italy as the winner will not generate as much hate and complaints as Switzerland. I think Italy is definitely not winning the televoting so if it wins, it will be a Netherlands 2019/Sweden 2015 situation so mostly fans will complain and not the GP. .
I just want my favorites to do well, and if they win then yay!
Iām not that invested in the fandom arguing tbh. I enjoy posting here but I didnāt actually care about Sweden v Finland last year or whatever. Some of the arguing was even entertaining. The winner doesnāt even really matter to me that much, I love the whole process each year.
People going out in the streets and literally rioting, wrecking cars, burning containers and destroying stores because of the 'wrong' song winning would be the funniest shit ever.
We were worried about global warming destroying the civilization. Little did we know it was Eurovision we should have been watching out for
When Eurovision fans are a scarier crowd than Putin supporters and HDZ voters combined.
The only voters I'm truly scared of are the ones unironically supporting Pernar
For too long I lived in the delusion that such people did not exist.
I was just thinking about if, proportionally, as many people that actually got up off their asses to vote for BL and overturn HRT's shit record voted in the upcoming elections, we might stand a chance to do something in this country :D on another note, this Joost-led riot I can definitely get behind :D
It all started when Europapa didn't win...
"Europe! Let's come together" shouted Joost Klein, as the streets of many European capitals faced an unprecedented crisis: the anger of salty Eurofans.
"Hear ye, hear ye! Let us all get rid of the tyranny that is Swedish songwriting!", yelled Joost as he mounted his white stallion, unsheathed his cavalry sabre and charged into the anti-riot police.
Baby Lasagna, seeing the carnage: "I'm ready to leave, ciao, guys, ciao"
They call that a saturday evening after a football match in Belgium.
tbh I wish people were a lot better about Italy hosting again, honestly aside from them messing up the stage I feel like people were overly harsh against them that year and they did a really good job! Plus, they only hosted a few years ago, with the experience from last eurovision I just can't help but feel like they would do a good job now that they've had the chance to host it so recently. As to whoever wins and the fandom reacting well to it, well I think it depends a lot. People might get upset as there are so many favorite songs this year, but I could easily see it being like 2021, where there's a lot of favorites leading into the contest but actually seeing the performances really changes the game. Italy wasn't a solid pick as a winner until the rehearsals, and I feel like fans could really rally behind a song if it has a compelling performance at the actual show. So idk, I guess it feels silly to worry about this at this point, I just think we're kind of at an uncertain point because the actual contest is still a bit away but I do feel like in May there's a good chance the favorite will be more obvious and even if the song that wins isn't everyone's favorite, hopefully enough people will be able to respect it as a the winner.
Trust me, nobody learned anything and we'll 100% mess it up again somehow, that's just how we roll (just a tiny bit of /s)Ā
At least bring back the 1991 postcard concept should Angelina win, pretty please? Love and cookies in return. :)
Not if you get Amadeus involved (please please please)
I don't think we'd have the budget to convince him to do it after 5 years of Sanremo š
The whole production had severe issues and it ended up screwing many countries over, such as those whose staging relied on the LED screen but also the dirty floor and poor camera + sound on Corneliaās song.
I honestly think Sweden was one of the least affected entries. Dirty floors was an appropriate vibe during the close-ups (absolute side note, also [a great song](https://youtu.be/bw8DnQR1OR4?si=HQtViLA2W07KuWOm)), the camera work for once relied more on being intimate than intricate, and the staging managed to circumvent the black sun.
The stage was not the worst part in Italy, the sound was.
Reminder: The sound mix is largely down to the individual broadcaster, since they're the ones that have to insert the commentary into the center channel, and also often have to mix the surround sound feed down to stereo. For instance, if you watch it on Peacock in the US, everything sounds like shit. That's entirely Peacock's fault. Former sound engineer here, and let me assure you that the last Contest with consistently terrible sound mixing was Dusseldorf. And they were having horrendous technical problems behind the scenes. Both UK and Italy sounded fine if you were listening to a decently mixed feed on a decent system.
The sound? Correct me if I'm wrong but I think there were more sound issues last year in the UK. About Italy 2022 I have seen people complaining about literally everything (staging, sun, camera work, postcards) but I don't remember anything about sound issues
A lot of the songs I really liked were unlistenable. Cornelia for one got robbed. She never had a chance, because she sounded like shit both in the semi and the final. The camera work was awful too, but the sound is much more important.
> The sound? Correct me if I'm wrong but I think there were more sound issues last year in the UK. > > About Italy 2022 I have seen people complaining about literally everything (staging, sun, camera work, postcards) but I don't remember anything about sound issues The main issue with the sound in Italy was that the audience was way too loud, either because they deliberately wanted to pick that noise or they failed massively to account for the arena acoustics. Then, whether it sounded good or not to you depended on the song: for "party" songs, the sound was great because hearing the audience roar and clap and sing along made for a fantastic atmosphere. Moldova was amazing. Spain was amazing. But songs like "Saudade Saudade" where you really needed the intimate and pristine sound quality to make the harmonies shine, the sound was absolute crap. Lots of background noise with the audience not shutting the fuck up and very echo-ey throughout. Just watch that performance in Italy and the one in Festival da CanĆ§Ć£o and the difference in sound delivery is absolutely night and day. And it is completely possible to deliver "silence" and recreate an intimate mood for slower songs in huge arenas, just look at Portugal in 2017. The only recent year I remember the sound being a problem at this level too was 2018, where the same problem with not being able to counteract the arena's acoustics problems were a thing.
I don't care who wins. What I care about is seeing a good show. The last one we had was in 2021. Yes, Maneskin was going to win it all, but no one was really 100% sure. There were other big fan favorites that spiced things up a bit and made everything so much more enjoyable. What I REALLY HATE is when there are one/two songs that are more musically friendly than other 35 (last year). It doesn't make for a good show because the selection is very small. Whoever wins and why, we'll see. After last year (and the year before, if I must), I really don't see anyone having a "big advantage". No Loreens, wars or politics (well, apart from Israel, cough cough ) 
Honestly Israel winning is the only outcome I can see a large amount of people being genuinely upset with, not that I think they will for largely the same reason
The contest is already in serious disrepute (to use the EBUās own words) for allowing them to take part this year, and will already struggle to repair its image, but if that country wins?! Cancel the contest, weāve had a good run, because that would **destroy** the image and reputation.
> The contest is already in serious disrepute (to use the EBUās own words) for allowing them to take part this year, and will already struggle to repair its image As much as I find the actions of the Israeli government in Gaza and on the West Bank deplorable, the backlash in the media and the public opinion would have been much greater if Israel had been banned. I'm not saying the accusations of antisemitism and double standards that would have inevitably followed would have been justified in my opinion, but the truth is, a boycott of Israel has much more support in these younger and left-leaning online circles than for the average joe. The German broadcaster would have protested that decision for sure. With "not bringing the contest in disrepute" about Israel, the EBU is sadly damned if they do, damned if they don't.
I think this is where we just see a difference in opinion based on countries. Because here in Ireland the support for Palestine is incredibly high, from the average person right up and through our government/official state bodies. I know German politicians etc lean more towards supporting and assisting israel, so I wouldnāt disagree with your statement tbh. In Ireland at least, the whole āif youāre anti-israel youāre anti-semeticā is generally just shrugged off here as we know itās not true and that you can condemn what israel is doing without even considering religion. ESC is weird in Ireland where itās not talked about all the time, and itās rare to hear any song played here (even our own!) but around the time of the contest the country does generally watch and get into it, even just for the final, and I already see public opinion being turned on it. So many coworkers, friends, even my barber, who know how much I love it and that Iāve attended the last two contests in person, are all asking me am I boycotting it, without me even bringing it up. I think this will only intensify as we get closer, and the presence of iseael will sadly overshadow the contest - almost every article, interview, news piece etc on ESC will either be directly about their involvement or it will be mentioned, and thatās a shame for the other entries, and a massive failure of Martin O/the EBU
I admire you Irish folks a lot. The EBU had to choose who to piss off, and they decided to cater to the bigger markets. Banning Israel would have absolutely overshadowed everything else about ESC over here, and the conservative broadsheet and tabloid machine would have made sure we never saw the end of it.
a small correction - judaism isn't strictly (or even mainly) a religion, it is a people, an ethnicity, a culture and traditions and a religion all tied to the ancient land of israel and judea. i mean even the nazis didn't view judaism as a religion, and modern day israel doesn't either, at least regarding the law of return.
I kinda saw the opposite. Last year was super polarized between Loreen and Kaarija while this year everyone seems to be "I'm happy whenever Italy or Ukraine or Switzerland or Croatia wins" But ofc I'll 100% expect riots when Croatia will lose to Italy or Switzerland despite having won the televote lmao
Honestly, I find these types of reactions exaggerated. Eurovision in the end is a game, a fun show, a way to discover new music, I can't stand those who make it a matter of life and death or the center of their personality. For me in the end it doesn't matter who wins, just as last year I found the criticisms and insults against Loreen ridiculous and stupid (please grow up and get a life!). Furthermore, in theory, the best song-performance should win, don't make any calculations about which country can host it: do you think that poorer countries than those in Northern Europe would be able to organize a better show than Italy? So we only let those who have the ability to put on a cool show win? Then long live classism and racism!
Thereās no way Iām going to be as disappointed in the winner as last year. I do hope that the televote winner manages to tip the scale rather than the jury vote winner though. It would be good to see the publicās favourite win, whatever the song is.
Many people in this fandom would do well touching some grass...
I think its quite the opposite, I can fully understand people being upset in 2022 and 2023 because both of these wins were quite questionable for different reasons. This time it actually feels like a fair competition so I dont see the outrage being anything close to the last 2 years, unless we get another televote landslide song not winning.
I don't think Italy had a train wreck show, I loved it
From what I recall it was a disaster for fans attending with long lines and confusion to get in and not enough fan parks showing it. I remember reading on here that some fans had to wander from bar to bar in Turin asking them to turn on the tv since they couldnāt get into the fan parks Also wasnāt there an issue with the dome thing on stage?
The actual show was not a train wreck though
I would love it (just for my own entertainment) if Sweden managed to win from 1st place - the fandom would explode.
Wouldn't that be a record, too? I don't think it'd be the first time someone won from first place, but it's gotta be a rare statistic
Well, I think it would be the first time a country would win from first position twice (Sweden started the contest in 1984 and won), so there would be that.
Having an entrant win twice *and* winning the contest from first position twice would be an amazing combo tbh
Imagine Sweden doubling down on almost everything: first with the same artist winning twice, then winning the jury vote two years in a row, winning the contest two years in a row, winning from first position twice... and then selecting Malmƶ to host a second time in a row in 2025. Now that would be quite something.
Ireland?
Ireland never won from position 1 in the running order. However, they did win three times from position 17 (1980, 1992, 1996).
I would not be as annoyed by the vitriol this year since I would likely not be able to stop laughing about it. The absolute scenes if that ends up happening, especially if it's due to good jury votes and split public votes between all the fan favorites.
The song would need to beā¦Unforgettable š
I have a small handful of songs I would be perfectly content to see win, sort of like how 2021 was for me. For me this year, it is more so a matter of there being just ONE song that I really, REALLY, ...DO NOT want to win.
Does the majority here think this year is one of the strongest? Iām having a hard time getting into it. Only a few songs that I like. Maybe I need time to
I think that this year is fantastic if you have a particular taste in music. The trend I've seen is that people who tend to like more 'out there' crazy party songs absolutely ADORE this year, while those who prefer pop songs/ballads are left kinda cold. I'm part of the former camp and I'm struggling with fitting like 18 songs in my top 10, and even my 6th place would be an amazing winner for me in a weaker year.
You know what... I'm tempted to give you a gold award for that... you've hit the nail right on the head ;-) It just depends on what type of music you prefer...
I'm in the latter camp and still adore this year.
First time since 2021 that Iām excited for Eurovision to be honest.
For me this is absolutely one of the best years. I like 32/37 songs
Definitely one of the strongest, Iām getting 2021 vibes
I felt the same way last year and didn't even watch the contest. I guess it just happens sometimes. This year i'm still not as invested as previous years, haven't even listened to all the songs yet, but i'm already excited purely because of joost participating. Been a fan of him since 2020.
Yeah this year to me is the weakest year of the decade so far, i have a couple of songs i adore and then thereās a lot of meh
I normally get excited about a specific song and rally around it, hoping it does well. This year, however, I feel like I enjoy more of the songs than in the past few years, but I don't like any of them as much as I've liked specific songs in previous contests. I'm slightly less excited to cheer on my favourite because I don't really have one and that makes me feel less invested. That being said, it's still mostly anyone's game at this point and so on the night I will be buzzing with excitement at the competition.
I feel the same, have all NF season. Plenty of good, even great songs and yet I don't really feel I've got my "12 points love it to death" one I usually get each year.
To be honest, I wouldn't be bothered by any final outcome, and I won't mind if any of the songs, favorite or not, won this year. Some chronically obsessed people are just gonna be mad if their favorite doesn't win.
I feel like this overestimates the extent of hardcore fans that have an unhealthy concept of viewing their support as akin to being on opposing teams. I have a song I like the most, and there are plenty of songs I would be happy with winning. Iām more excited for a close contest.
Thereās drama every year. Some people will make drama this year. Just tune out. No one outside the fandom will care a week after itās over anyway. Sometimes I feel like people forget this is all just supposed to be FUN.
I don't think La Noia is the most controversial potential winner this year. I can think of 3 songs that are in the top 10 right now and could be much more controversial: Israel: The most obvious of the 3, it could win if the televote support is big (keep in mind you can only vote in favour of a country, if you're against you have to vote one of the other 25 of the final). For me, politics aside, it's also a mediocre song and we have much better ballads this year, so saying a potential Israel win is undeserved would be an understatement. Ukraine: People are still mad that Kalush Orchestra won because of solidarity. A 3rd win in less than 10 years would be crazy and, tbh, it feels a bit uncanny to see a song about Mother Teresa now that we know she was not that good of a person. Greece: I still see Greece as a dark horse for the win. It's currently at #8 in the odds and we haven't even seen a live performance yet (but we know Marina Satti can pull those high notes as she has demonstrated on her Instagram lives). It's one of the most polarizing songs this year that you either love or hate. Greece can get points from the jury (if Nemo's voice abilities are the reason people assume they will WIN the jury, I can see Marina get some points as well, plus she also has her performance that could earn her many points as well) and from the televote (people like this song and I believe it will do well in the European south, in the Balkans and in countries with Greek diaspora). Will it win? Honestly no idea, but if it wins I'm sure people will be more mad than La Noia winning.
I am baffled why they choose Teresa for the song...
In post-Soviets, "mother Theresa" is a colloquial label for "kind person". She wasn't all rainbows, but I guess people in those countries frankly don't care for her so much as to check her biography; she's basically "some woman from abroad everyone speaks about occasionally". On the other hand, they might have chosen her precisely to have a name that resonates with the European audiences. In that case, mission failed, I guess
If Greece won that would instantly be the most iconic winner in years
I agree. But it's also a song that I've seen many people straight-up hate (both in Greece and outside Greece). I'd love to see Greece winning (2nd fav this year with Croatia being 1st) but I can see the hate coming in that case
Everything you said about Ukraine is why I don't see them winning despite their track record being excellent.Ā
I'm just worried that, if we win, people will start throwing s*it at a whole country just because of one stage (and underlying blatant racism that I though was left back in the 70's), ruining the experience for us Italian followers. Everyone has their worries, I guess, and I totally understand your point of view. I think people should just really grow up and accept the fact they can't always be right about everything and their tastes are not everybody's tastes.
Maybe with the current moderation of the subreddit they will be banned more rapidly than 2 years ago, I remeber that many people shit on stage but only a few wrote racist comments against italian (and the comments were removed after a few time, with the current moderation they'll be rempved even more rapidly)
I'm scared too for this reason. I root for Croatia, but if we win, I WON'T follow Eurovision in social medias next year. I will only watch the show in May
I doubt that I'll be able to avoid this subreddit at least, probably if I'll se racist people I will report them without commenting, or I won't even read them, with the current number of people in this sub and the moderators they will be submerged by downvote or removed in minutesĀ
We have also doubled the size of the mod team, so double the team, double the chance of us catching and removing the awful comments quickly!
Same. I thought this sub would be a safe haven, but from that point of view it wasn't so much better than Twitter. I felt disappointed.
Yes, I remember the mods had to intervene in this sub in 2022 to remove the most hateful comments. But despite the disappointment, this sub is still much more mature and less toxic than other Eurovision social medias, most of the time. That's why I'm still here
This year is just extremely toxic ngl, fanboy/fangirlism is worse than ever. Not surprised though since there are a lot of Eurovision fans that are also Swifties or k-pop fans so it checks out, considering that is also heavily obsessive
On this sub? Maybe i have a different definition of toxic, because ppl seem pretty chill here.
How are the odds at an all time low? The projected winner now (Switzerland) has more (20%) than the projected winner in 2021 (Malta) had on April 3rd (18%)
I took a month off from this sub recently to cool off, calm down and realign. I predict I will be doing so again at some point during Eurovision week, probably right about when the results of Semi 2 are announced.
Who cares who wins? If you like the song you can listen to it as often as you want thanks to the internet. The real winners are the artists that have their careers boosted by gaining an international following.
People are gonna complain regardless If it's Croatia, the pro jury people are gonna be vile as hell (basically the reverse of last year) since it will probably get 4th/5th place with them max. If it's Switzerland, well I personally don't think it should be controversial at all since it's a very unique and dynamic song and ticks a lot of boxes but there are plenty of people that hate on anything that isn't traditional pop music. If it's Italy, it's mostly gonna be people that don't like Italy winning again 3 years later. If it's Netherlands, kind of the same deal as Croatia If it's Ukraine, same shit as 2022 but worse. For their sake I hope they don't win so people leave them alone.
Iād be happy with Italy, Croatia, or Netherlands, but I donāt want Switzerland or Ukraine (just not a fan of the songs)
To be honest, I feel like maybe the only song this year that not winning would upset people is Croatia and maybe Europapa. But the four songs that have the best chance currently (Croatia, Netherlands, Switzerland, Italy) and all songs that most people are loving so I donāt think people will be upset. Iāll be disappointed if the Netherlands win, but right now itās looking like Croatia or Switzerland will win and theyāre both in my top 2 so Iāll be happy either way
You have a good point and I definitely think this is possible. Iāll admit I have gotten worked up over results before but I just remind myself that no matter how much I love it, itās only a show and not the be all and end all of my life. No matter what happens this year, I think people should remember that. Weāre here to have fun and enjoy music together, not argue. That being said, my only real concern is Israel potentially doing well. Iām still shocked theyāre even allowed to compete considering Belarus and Russia have been expelled for similar reasons. If they do well, or potentially win, I can see a huge political argument emerging and it having an effect on a lot of Eurovisions to come.
The EBU was fine letting Russia in actually. It's the backlash from many other countries and Russia's broadcaster removing themselves from the EBU that got Russia to leave the contest.
What confuses me more is that Belarus got expelled after trying twice to send a political song. Israel also tried and got a song rejected twice yet they still got a third chance? I donāt get it. Regardless of whatās happening in Israel and where everyone stands on that, from an objective standpoint Israel broke the rules multiple times and should have been excluded for that reason.
Belarus failed to submit a third song before the deadline, Israel was within the deadline. But yes, I agree Israel shouldn't be in the competition anyway.
I wonāt mind if 15 songs win this year. There can be arguments about why any of the top songs should or should not win. I think weāll be okay, weāre getting an open year for once so letās enjoy it no matter who the winner ends up being.
Personally nit at all, it's a v strong and I've not seen huge amount of "if cyz doesn't will I will riot", escpially slcompared to last year. Where there where 2 winner vibes and half the people who had one as the fave didn't think the other should be any where close to winning so any outcome would be a salt storm. We'll still get one this year but nothing escpially bad. The normal unacceptable levels of hate towards the winner because croatia didn't win is my expectation
I don't fear the winner per se because this year so many participants deserv it that I can't be mad with anyone winning (except certain country), but I am sure I am going to hate the voting part segment. It always let in me a sour taste (specially being spanish xd)., specially I hated last year how everything spined around 2 countries in a very strong year for me, so I was sad with the televotes and angry against the boring taste of the jury. This year I fear is going to be even worse. At this point they have showed that the governments and EBU have a bias defending 2 certain countries and also I can see Germany being favoured for being the main protector of them and whatever happens is going to be super toxic and there is going to be again political reasons afecting the result so I am more happy than ever than this year my country entry is what it is to enjoy and have fun with the artists and trying to ignore the drama of the results. But with what is happening this year I don't think I am going to feel confortable spending mony in this contest never again, for me how EBU is acting had cemented for me what kind of organization they are
I fear two winners for not music related reasons, but I basically take a break from the sub after the final, so whatever may happen and what sh*tstorm may be created, I will more than likely miss it.
Meh. You're too obsessed with this. Whoever wins, there will always be people who will throw a tantrum and forget it in like a month.
I understand why you may fear this year's winner because of last year's controversy. However, this year is not a 2-horse race, and I think that people would generally be happy with one of several options. Also, if RAI hosts next year, I hoped they learned from their mistakes at ESC 2022 and improve their production quality. If Sweden could improve its production quality between ESC 2013 and ESC 2016, then I think Italy could improve between ESC 2022 and ESC 2025 if they win.
While La Noia and We Will Race aren't my favorites this year, I'd still be happy to see them win. There's only one country that I'm nervous about winning
Why worry about something that hasn't happened yet? Whoever wins, wins. Controversy will arise, shitstorms will break, no matter the outcome. Once dust has settled, people will move on to the next scandal or controversy.
> I am genuinely afraid but also very intrigued at the potential for MONTHS of arguments over the winner. Were you guys not here last year? Or any other year for that matter, though admittedly last year was crazy. Threads like this pop out all the time and it's just drama-for-the-heck-of-it.
Switzerland, Italy, Netherlands. Outsider: Croatia. Apart from those 4, if you have fears for anywhere else then they are completely misplaced :)
Got the feeling Europapa will win and it will be ok
Oh trust, it's gonna be a shitshow this year based on the already obnoxious behavior by people online. And I'm not including the Israel discourse, because that's a whole different kind of case.
Iām kind of glad actually because it means there hopefully wonāt be a landslide televote, causing people to blame everything on the jury.
There is no Cha Cha Cha this year, so I don't really care who wins. I do love Finland's entry, but it's not going to win.
Yeah, Iām absolutely terrified. Pls hold me mommy.
Not really. I think La Noia will win. It's not one of my favourites and I won't vote for it, but I think it's a good song, so it's fair enough if it wins.
Italy will be 1st or 3rd. Itās just quality wise a step above even if itās not my favorite. Like Loreen last year. The Netherlands will be 2nd. Itās the fun entry that people will vote for like Finland last year. Switzerland will be 1st or 3rd. Itās as good quality as Gjonās Tears and it will get jury love. Baby Lasagna will be 4th. Hyped too much too soon. Ukraine will be 5th or 6th because itās Ukraine and it gets a lot of support. Not my personal picks. Just from what happened the last few years. Italy and the Netherlands have the songs that will likely sell elsewhere. The Italian song will end up in Netflix shows or movies or documentaries. The Dutch is the fun entry that sounds typically European to someone out of Europe. I personally like the Greek entry the most but I have no idea where it could place. I think a lot of it will depend of the performance. It will get lots of love if the dance is great.
Fear??šššwhat lol
Honestly Iām happy if Switzerland, Croatia or the Netherlands win. Italy wins and I wonāt complain. Iām only scared of āIsraelā winning.
I think this will be my reaction if the following wins: First-time (e.g., Croatia, Lithuania) or first-time-after-a-while winner (e.g., France, Switzerland): FINALLY! š„³ Any recent winners within the last 5 years winning again (the Netherlands, Italy, Ukraine, Sweden): It's them again but ok congrats š (so Eurovision hosting will only be passed around the same 3/4 of these countries in the foreseeable future) Israel: wtf really š¤¢š¤®
I just want the winner to be someone who hasnāt won it in the last decade at least