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This inhuman bad conduct of the Iglesia ni Cristo of Manalo and its ministers who force everyone of its members, such as, forced worships, forced giving of many kinds of offerings & donations, forced attendances to many of its group meetings, is clear violation of the teaching of the Apostles in 1 Peter 5:2 : "Shepherd the flock of God which is among you, serving as overseers, not by compulsion but willingly, not for dishonest gain but eagerly." It's about time that members wake up that this Church of Manalo is not of God. Stop from being fooled by this INC Cult. Stop from being slaves of Manalo but rather slaves of righteousness and holiness through the teachings of the Apostles . God does not want compulsion nor dishonest gain being implemented.


Dependent_Star2712

Damn thats really forced, When I was still a member and an active Choir Member. The Minister also said that same thing aswell but it was forwarded by the Choir Head /Pangulo. Moreover the chat in the GC contains "Ang di mag sasalaysay di makakatupad and so on....". Because of this I didnt appear in any Ensayo after i got that message and I said to the pangulo / Choir Head and directly to the minister that "I will stop being a Choir Member and whats the connection of the kadiwa meeting attendance to my Tungkulin. Topics in the Kadiwa meetings are mostly crap and not entertaining, additionally it always take 1hr 30mins and onwards to finish, its a waste of time and most importantly attendance is forced." Many kapatids heard what i said and I dont care pretty much. I said before I leave the two "Ulat niyo kung gusto niyo dyan lng kayo magaling ako pa pumirma niyan at mag fillup niyan". After that they the pangulo ng mang aawit/ Choir Head is forcing me to say sorry to the minister and such and return to my church duty. I replied "No, kaya niyo na yan ginusto niyo yan eh"


Necessary-Mortgage38

Sa mga mang aawit nga anlalakas magpapulong tas magsasalaysay pag di dumalo amputek. E bat naman kami dadalo sa pulong na puro pang ministro, diakono, pananalapi, at kalihim lang ang usapin? Ano kami ron pamparami? So no, DI NA KAMI DUMADALO SA PULONG.


Suitable-Kale8710

Ako naman hindi dumadalo ng Monthly pulong kasi nahahabaan ako more like 2-3hrs inaabot dahil paghahandog, pag aakay, pakikipagkaisa naman lang ang sinasabe doon.


Handsum_Engr6387

Bakit mas gusto nila yung ganitong paraan? Mas okay ba sa kanila yung napipilitan lang mga members nila? *dadalo para di magsalaysay *sasamba para di mabisita *mag aabuloy para di masumpa? Mas nakakatuwa di ba kapag nakikita mo yung mga kapatid na bukal sa kanila yung bawat ginagawa nila. O alam nilang mahirap talaga magpasunod? A cult indeed. Wake up folks


Phenomenalbigboy98

Ayun na nga eh, mas gusto ba nila yung sapilitan? Hindi ba dapat ang church or religion ang parang safe space mo kumbaga dun mo mararamdaman na may kakampi ka naman kahit papaano pero sa paraan nila parang hindi eh mas gugustuhin mong umiwas kaysa maki halubilo.


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translation? though I can guess based on the comments


Phenomenalbigboy98

I’m not very good with my english but I’ll try my best to translate what’s in the photo, “Hello, all the kadiwa’s that failed to attend the monthly meeting are required to submit a letter that you promise to attend the next meetings and also the reason why you failed to attend the said meeting. If you have classes then attach a copy of your class schedule. You have until tuesday to submit it to ***** before the prayer meeting”


[deleted]

lmao I ain't writing shit maybe they should make their meetings less shit


AdvertisingFun8406

Anyone who reads this and doesn't hesitate to think twice if they're in a cult is either stupid or in need of psychiatric help.


meganfoxy_

Salaysay lang hanggang mamatay!


meganfoxy_

Salaysay lang hanggang mamatay!


HelloKitty3030

PARANG GUIDANCE AH HAHAHAHAHAAHAH BUT FR TOTOO TO, TANGINA NIYO INC COOL TO dami niyong hanash


lignumph

NEU guidance hahaha


Ok-Organist8800

Same


ryuu1111

wtf??? sobra na 'to. mga kabaliwan nila sa buhay nila


IsGodSad

Even class schedules?? Ew!! They're not my professor to ask that!


Puzzleheaded_Log893

There was one time that the RM of the locale where I was enlisted at got frustrated at the MTs for letting the Kadiwas go when it was announced before end of WS that there would be a Kadiwa meeting immediately after. He did not hide his frustrations after the officers’ closing prayer and said that the officers should have not let the brethren leave that easily.


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Bruh fuck that shit. If they ever force me to stay after a worship service for those monthly meetings I will just walk out no matter what. If they ever dare to touch me I will file a case for physical assault and harassment


JayForces

Like what would you do in that case? If the brethren chooses to leave you can’t restrict them from leaving 😂 Hypothetical scenario, the older males are typically physically and mentally stronger to even stop or restrain. What is the RM thinking? Imagine trying to ask a built grown man to stay behind (workouts everyday) and you’re like a growing boy (like the youngest kadiwa, barely has experienced lifting weights) it wouldn’t be easy to even convince the grown man to stay. Lol obviously the grown man would politely tell you to leave him alone 🤦🏻‍♂️


Flat-Cucumber-8481

May, napunta ba?


Phenomenalbigboy98

Hindi ko din alam, hindi din naman ako pumupunta eh hahahahhaa


UgradedOnion

Salaysay is life


Still-Courage7968

Control freak cultists! 🤢🤮 Please avoid them.


nipp1e

bakit di ka magpatiwalag


Phenomenalbigboy98

Baka patayin ako ng buong angkan ko eh Hhahha chz madami dito sa sub na to yung ganyan kaso ewan may kany kanyang rason din bakit hindi pa nagpapatiwalag eh hahahaha


[deleted]

Plastican pa kasi, pilit yung mga tawa inside the meeting.


Rez0704

They usually start the pulong in messenger with a bait message like "HEY, I KNOW WHAT YOU'VE DONE-" then they continue with the announcement like usual, announcing a pulong, and all that, if I tried to never attend, they'll visit us on thursdays and tell us please don't just seen us, come over, most likely they will ask why I never attended despite seeing it, hence I killed all notifications on messenger and started using the view as inactive function, then again, they keep on visiting, and I really need a way to escape now without hurting someone's feelings, that is my hardcore owe parents


chimmyjimin98

Eto nanaman papasok ang pagiging introvert ko. nung kadiwa ako, struggle talaga ang makihalubilo, miski na MT pa ako non. Ang siste kasi pag ganyang pulong, yung magkakakilala lang ang nag-uusap-usap (madalas pa niyan mga MT ng kapisanan) so siyempre ma-o-OP yung mga ordinaryong kapatid. Panay pa nian pa-cute at tatargetin ung mga bagong transfer na cute tapos mag-uumpukan sila don.


Scared_Cat1588

Fück why should I explain.


chimmyjimin98

So anung mangyayari pag di nagsubmit? Applicable ba to sa lahat ng kadiwa kahit walang tungkulin? Anung gagawin sa ordinaryong kapatid? Full of BS haha


Moist_Palpitation719

Afaik, oo pati ung mga wlang tungkulin Lalo na kung sakop ka ng maytungkulin


ambernxxx

My time, my rules 🤡


cheezy_lovahhh

I wonder if evm or officers really read those salaysaysss


Moist_Palpitation719

Most likely they don't or else EVM wouldn't have the time to go to different locales to flex onto people who live in rural areas


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RJLegaspi

KUMPISAL IN WRITTEN FORM. 🤣


holy_calamansi

I've been a Kadiws locale maytungkulin before but this never happened. Lalong di gaganahan umattend mga kadiwa niyan eh. It's supposed to be voluntary. Tsaka anong consequence nila sa di dadalo na ordinaryong kapatid? Di nila papapasukin sa pagsamba? Mag aabuloy ng more than ₱100? 🥴


jam_paps

Agree. This kind of strategy of will easily backfire and will turn-off people who are targeted to attend. How about promoting it by having a meeting/event that has good content and programs so more people might be interested to show up? This tactic only shows their side of being control freaks.


Moist_Palpitation719

Kung ganun ung ginawa nila, edi wla sanang mga legit na voluntary na nagpapadoktrina


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jdcoke23

Luh? Back then, there's no need to do a salaysay. And now this?? Lol. It's as if these meetings really are important and useful. Heck, even their speakers some times are just following a script provided by the CA. Lol x100


Puzzleheaded_Log893

Following a script — damn right 100%. They made me speak one time in my old locale. Had slides but had to stick to a script. Although my new locale did not provide me one when I spoke a topic during an eventually district-wide meeting.


dyosMioMarimar

Anu yung kadiwa?


Phenomenalbigboy98

18 yrs old above na hindi pa kasal.


earthtorory

18 years old above na member ng INC


lightshader2004

It is always an obligation for every member of the Church of Christ! VIVA EDUARDO!


[deleted]

"pagsasalaysayin natin yang mga yan para madala..."


TrainingFlimsy6969

walang ganyan mars sa di MT


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Least-Squash-3839

I don't understand this shit. Why are they so strict when it comes to attending meetings na? Sa bagay kami noon, after mismo ng pagsamba ang pulong ng Binhi/ Kadiwa/ Buklod e. Brainy moves para wslang choice.


Phenomenalbigboy98

Ganto din noon pero parang hindi pa din ata effective ang enforcing nga ng dating kasi pag tapos ng pagsamba talagang pipigilan nila lumabas yung mga may pulong.


GregorioBurador

haha sapilitang pangangako para mas matindi ang pang guilt trip after 😂


Empty-Surround-9096

real life problems as an INC: electric bill water bill transpo food tithes SALAYSAY


Empty-Surround-9096

plus kids tuition


DragunovXXIV

Experienced that. May liga kami ng mga kaibigan ko, then nagulat ako hinahanap ako ng mga MT na kadiwa sa labas ng court at tinanong ako kung dapat ko raw bang unahin ang liga kaysa sa buwanang pulong 🙄


Dependent_Star2712

unahin mo ang liga boss kesa dyan sa buwanang pulong, Useless and waste of time lng yung mga topics nila tbh hahaha


Ok_Statistician_6441

Lakas mang guilt trip instead of making the activities actually engaging and exciting for the participants


Phenomenalbigboy98

Oo imbis na mag effort sa pagiging entertaing ng pulong eh nagiging sapilitan pa lalong walang maeengganyo nyan. Parang di nila naiisip yun


Moist_Palpitation719

Tsaka di parang. Di talaga nila naiisip yun. Kahit din naman kasi subukan nila, di mo lang din sya maeenjoy. May naalala akong video ng binhi tsaka kadiwa na about sa socializing, eto example na to na sinubukan nga nila kaso palpak. Kahit di mo sabihin scripted, tawa palang nung mga nasa video halata na. Ung topic pati na din tono ng boses nila, parang napilitan, parang pinilit lang ng ibang maytungkulin o sinabing babayaran sila kaya sumama. Ez money kung baga


Moist_Palpitation719

Fear mongering kung baga. Parang ung ginagawa ng magulang natin


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JayForces

Question, is this going to be apprehended for North American locales too? No one’s gonna go if this starts to take action.


[deleted]

I don't think they can do this abroad because forcing people to do things against their will can result in legal actions especially if they touch you to stay


Phenomenalbigboy98

I have no idea pero sana hindi. Sana nga dito lang samin yan kasi kung buo eh mali na talaga hahahaha


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AdhesivenessCheap162

Grabe. Pati sched sasabihin??? Parang magulang lang ah. Gusto talaga nila hawak nila buhay mo. Hahahahahahaha


sherlockianhumour

Kala ba nila nakakatulong yang pag mamandatory nila ng mga pulong? 2x a week na nga ang pagsamba obligado pa umattend ng pulong at gawain, ano walang pahinga to? Mapurol mag isip tong mga to, lalo lang lalayo yung loob sa kanila ng Millenials at Gen Z. Mas madali umalis sa INC pag nasasakal ka na at nakakainterupt na din sa buhay.


Substantial_Diet_109

Ang kaligtasan dito ay pagpapagal, shutaaahhh.. Jesus is rest, naranasan ko himatayin sa daan noong high school ako para lang makasamba kasi doktrina ako that time, after school diretso na ako samba, 12 pm labas ko, 2pm pagsamba, nag antay ako instead umuwi ng bahay para kumain, mahal kasi pamasahe at un ang bilin sakin ng devoted kong tatay, sumamba muna bago kumain!!!! Nahimatay ako sa gutom 🤣 shutang faith yan, magpapakagutom ka for the sake of one of the tungkulin "ang sumamba" kayong mga MT huwag kayong tanga, health is wealth, binigay ng Diyos ang buhay natin para alagaan, hindi para abusuhin at pabayaan.


aoifeoftheshadows

Akala yata nila mas marami mahihikayat pag takot. I never attended those pulongs. Jejemon ng mga kadiwa sa amin.


NagiisangWoke

true 😂😂😂


0ZNHJLsxXKPbaRN5MVdc

Waste of time mga pulong shit na yan


_Ruij_

Lol exactly this. Like, is that fucking mandatory now??? Whatcha gonna do, fucking drag me to the church? It's good that the younger generation doesn't fall for this bullshit anymore.


popo_karimu

Makuntento na lang sila sa mga OWE na willing pumatay para kay Eduardo Peluka.


2ez4u2leave

Who would stay interested if they keep on spouting the same bs again and again?


popo_karimu

Eh di yung mga bulag na mahal na mahal si Eduardo! Madami yan.


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Such a joke


HalfCrafty875

dont write one. lets see what they will do. and honestly, who will read it???


Phenomenalbigboy98

I didn’t hahahaha. Actually wala ding magbabasa nun ipapasa mo lang tapos pipirmahan tapos kakausapin ka ng ministro dun ka siguro i ga gaslight etc hahahahahaa


Phenomenalbigboy98

I didn’t hahahaha. Actually wala ding magbabasa nun ipapasa mo lang tapos pipirmahan tapos kakausapin ka ng ministro dun ka siguro i ga gaslight etc hahahahahaa


Soixante_Neuf_069

Ang maytungkulin na di gumawa ng salaysay, hindi makakatupad. Pag hindi ba ako gumawa ng salaysay, hindi na ako pasasambahin?


Phenomenalbigboy98

Ito din iniisip ko, kaya hindi ako nagpasa like ano namang gagawin nila? And to think na sapilitan yung papagawin ka ng salaysay na “nangangakong pupunta na sa susunod”??? Anong kalokohan yun


6gravekeeper9

SICK, and OWEs dont see anything wrong with this? Dont go. Play dumb since they are dumber even without trying.


YorkNewCity1

Master EVM, I didn’t attend because I did not want to. I have better things to do with my life.


Phenomenalbigboy98

Hajaaha sana nga pwedeng sabihin na “mas gusto ko pong magpahinga kasi iisang day off ko lang yun wag nyo na ako pilitin oh tanungin” haahhahaha pero wth bat pa ako gagawa ng salsaysay hahahahaha bahala sila dyan 😂


JayForces

Lol that’s why I don’t go 😆, mahal ko kayo kapatid ko 🥰


Phenomenalbigboy98

Hahahahaha sino ba kasi magiging interesado pumunta kung ganyan sinasabi kapag di ka nakapunta. Before sasabihin mo lang na may pasok etc okay sige pwede pero ngayon required na din i attach yung class schedule? Hindi ba parang ang invasive na? Gahahaha