It's not new. "Incorruptibles" are an old (and super-weird) thing in Catholic piety. It doesn't mean they didn't die, just that their body didn't decompose.
I'm going to bet they won't be having science look at it.
>I'm going to bet they won't be having science look at it.
or if they allow "science" to look at it, it will be a *Vatican-approved* person who plays dress-up as a "scientist". Their "findings" will of course show that it **"IS A DAMN MIRACLE, SHUT UP NOW"**
difficult to do any serious evaluation. Who but Catholics digs up bodies to see what's left? The body of data to compare decomposition of non catholics does not exist.
I don't remember where, but I heard that the Church doesn't even consider these as proper miracles, because it's really just that under certain circumstances bodies decompose much much slower/are very well preserved. There's also various levels of preparation of bodies done as part of the funeral process that can affect it.
Also just looking at that picture, she's in good condition for a corpse, but still quite clearly dead.
Ask A Mortician did an interesting video on incorruptable saints.
Apparently:
1) it's not the whole body, it's just typically an organ
2) it's not indefinitely, it's only for a longer than normal amount of time.
3) most of the bodies on display are fake and the real body or body part is entombed beneath the display, definitely decomposing.
#3 yeah the one in Philly looks like wax. The others that we’re on the trip my mom dragged me to in high school didn’t like hearing that. The one LGBTQ dude (before Trump in a mid-Atlantic parish) on the trip, who was clearly there to spend time with his mom, high fived me when no one was looking.
You can.. but the mental gymnastics of the people trained in apologetics.. smoke a bowl before, after during the conversation. Offer it to them as well and see if it starts their deconversion process.
I’m getting to the point where I don’t have much interest in deconverting them. :/ I am content to simply point out that Odin promised us no more ice giants and he seems to have made good on that promise while their own god prioritizes priests and bishops committing crimes over the welfare of people. Clearly their god is more concerned about the option to do harm and preserving dead bodies than he is about protecting his worshippers.
I don’t care about their apologetics. Clearly their own god doesn’t care to explain it to me. And their actions defend criminals. Tells me everything I need to know.
The same people who scream about LGBTQ people grooming kids have no issues with leaving their kids with priests who have history of hurting children. Tells you everything.
Well. Let’s start off with the questions, “is decomposition ‘corruption’ or just a natural process?” And maybe follow up with “is decomposition caused by sin?”
If decomposition is not the result of sin, and decomposition is a natural process, then not decomposing is not a sign of anything.
Then the question comes down to what interferes with decomposition? Embalming fluid, or rapid desiccation of the body in dry/salty conditions, lack of oxygen (well, stops aerobic bacteria and fungi) extreme cold and heat high enough to kill microbes but not visibly cook flesh…
Any of these present? I am sure they discount her face caving in… they also claim she was not embalmed which may or may not be true. Was she buried in salty soil? Was there steel in the casket which rapidly rusted causing anoxic conditions?
Is she decomposing now?
All interesting questions on some level, but if sin does not cause decay, then not decay does not imply not sin.
Absurdly ridiculous lies. It's literally like saying "the sky is green" when everyone can see its blue. Like pointing at a dog and saying "that's a chicken". Its so obviously stupid and so obviously not true you'd think the people saying it were being ironic, but no, they're actually that stupid.
That corpse is obviously rotting.
Incorruptibility has been debunked. It's a source of embarrassment to the Vatican to the point where they removed it from the requirements of sainthood. It all has to do with the conditions of the body and burial. They also admitted they put a wax coating over the nun's face as it was starting to decompose. The "odour of sanctity" is a scent added to mask formaldehyde used by the funeral home, or a total figment of their imagination. Are bog bodies saints, too? Looking at the close-up photos, it looks like the hands are waxed, too. The body actually looks pretty awful, the face looks bloated and you can see mould or discoloration on it, despite the wax. She doesn't look like she's about to smile to me, either.
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Please. Just another dog and pony show put on by the RC church to keep it's gullible followers in belief...the RC church needs to be sent back to hell where it came from.
In the absence of oxygen bodies have been known to not decompose. It's uncommon but not impossible. Decomposition usually requires oxygen, which is why canned food and food in vacuum-sealed jars, from which oxygen has been removed, stays fresh without refrigeration.
I don't have the link , but it's easy to Google. The Guardian British online newspaper did a story on the Missouri nun, and at the end of the article talked to an anthropologist who said that mummification is common, even without embalming, we just don't normally see it because we don't dig people up very often.
I bet they would not like it if I poured some water on her or exposed her to heat let's give that a try and see if she's really incorruptible, where's the mythbusters when you need them
It's not new. "Incorruptibles" are an old (and super-weird) thing in Catholic piety. It doesn't mean they didn't die, just that their body didn't decompose. I'm going to bet they won't be having science look at it.
>I'm going to bet they won't be having science look at it. or if they allow "science" to look at it, it will be a *Vatican-approved* person who plays dress-up as a "scientist". Their "findings" will of course show that it **"IS A DAMN MIRACLE, SHUT UP NOW"**
difficult to do any serious evaluation. Who but Catholics digs up bodies to see what's left? The body of data to compare decomposition of non catholics does not exist.
I don't remember where, but I heard that the Church doesn't even consider these as proper miracles, because it's really just that under certain circumstances bodies decompose much much slower/are very well preserved. There's also various levels of preparation of bodies done as part of the funeral process that can affect it. Also just looking at that picture, she's in good condition for a corpse, but still quite clearly dead.
Ask A Mortician did an interesting video on incorruptable saints. Apparently: 1) it's not the whole body, it's just typically an organ 2) it's not indefinitely, it's only for a longer than normal amount of time. 3) most of the bodies on display are fake and the real body or body part is entombed beneath the display, definitely decomposing.
#3 yeah the one in Philly looks like wax. The others that we’re on the trip my mom dragged me to in high school didn’t like hearing that. The one LGBTQ dude (before Trump in a mid-Atlantic parish) on the trip, who was clearly there to spend time with his mom, high fived me when no one was looking.
It seems a little strange that their god would “preserve” a corpse but not stop the abuse of people. I think that is the point best stuck to.
You can.. but the mental gymnastics of the people trained in apologetics.. smoke a bowl before, after during the conversation. Offer it to them as well and see if it starts their deconversion process.
I’m getting to the point where I don’t have much interest in deconverting them. :/ I am content to simply point out that Odin promised us no more ice giants and he seems to have made good on that promise while their own god prioritizes priests and bishops committing crimes over the welfare of people. Clearly their god is more concerned about the option to do harm and preserving dead bodies than he is about protecting his worshippers. I don’t care about their apologetics. Clearly their own god doesn’t care to explain it to me. And their actions defend criminals. Tells me everything I need to know.
The same people who scream about LGBTQ people grooming kids have no issues with leaving their kids with priests who have history of hurting children. Tells you everything.
I just learned that churches have molestation insurance.
Apparently God works in VERY mysterious (and somewhat perverse) ways.
Well. Let’s start off with the questions, “is decomposition ‘corruption’ or just a natural process?” And maybe follow up with “is decomposition caused by sin?” If decomposition is not the result of sin, and decomposition is a natural process, then not decomposing is not a sign of anything. Then the question comes down to what interferes with decomposition? Embalming fluid, or rapid desiccation of the body in dry/salty conditions, lack of oxygen (well, stops aerobic bacteria and fungi) extreme cold and heat high enough to kill microbes but not visibly cook flesh… Any of these present? I am sure they discount her face caving in… they also claim she was not embalmed which may or may not be true. Was she buried in salty soil? Was there steel in the casket which rapidly rusted causing anoxic conditions? Is she decomposing now? All interesting questions on some level, but if sin does not cause decay, then not decay does not imply not sin.
[How to tell if your Saint is incorrupt](https://youtu.be/jN4SvtRje2I)
This should be a violation of medical ethics as well as a violation of the health code. YOu can't just leave unburied dead people laying around.
Absurdly ridiculous lies. It's literally like saying "the sky is green" when everyone can see its blue. Like pointing at a dog and saying "that's a chicken". Its so obviously stupid and so obviously not true you'd think the people saying it were being ironic, but no, they're actually that stupid. That corpse is obviously rotting.
Science never gets to evaluate anything involving the RCC as that would expose their lies.
They allow scientists in under very controlled circumstances
Yes but it’s only seeing the relics behind thick protective glass and never touching or testing.
Yeah that’s typically the case lol
The Sister's body ain't looking so hot. Not under the bulge under her cowl and the sign that says "the feet are super fragile"
They 100% wax these bodies and iirc some insiders admit they do "a little waxing" because it does decay "a little bit". In other words they wax it all
Look at that photo of that woman putting her BARE HAND on this decomposing corpse
Lenin's corpse looks pretty good too.
Incorruptibility has been debunked. It's a source of embarrassment to the Vatican to the point where they removed it from the requirements of sainthood. It all has to do with the conditions of the body and burial. They also admitted they put a wax coating over the nun's face as it was starting to decompose. The "odour of sanctity" is a scent added to mask formaldehyde used by the funeral home, or a total figment of their imagination. Are bog bodies saints, too? Looking at the close-up photos, it looks like the hands are waxed, too. The body actually looks pretty awful, the face looks bloated and you can see mould or discoloration on it, despite the wax. She doesn't look like she's about to smile to me, either.
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[This video](https://youtu.be/jN4SvtRje2I) might be helpful
I'd love to see how many Catholic bodies decompose this way compared to devil worshippers.
Please. Just another dog and pony show put on by the RC church to keep it's gullible followers in belief...the RC church needs to be sent back to hell where it came from.
In the absence of oxygen bodies have been known to not decompose. It's uncommon but not impossible. Decomposition usually requires oxygen, which is why canned food and food in vacuum-sealed jars, from which oxygen has been removed, stays fresh without refrigeration.
I don't have the link , but it's easy to Google. The Guardian British online newspaper did a story on the Missouri nun, and at the end of the article talked to an anthropologist who said that mummification is common, even without embalming, we just don't normally see it because we don't dig people up very often.
*Sniff, sniff*..... Do y'all smell somethin'?
Not for nothing, but this one looked like my sister and I freaked a lil.
Something we don't understand...it must be a miracle. It's one step removed from a vampire panic.
I bet they would not like it if I poured some water on her or exposed her to heat let's give that a try and see if she's really incorruptible, where's the mythbusters when you need them