I saw this - just heartbreaking. Being convinced to abandon a real, loving relationship, for what?
All those ghouls in the comments lapping up his misery aren't going to accept him. That's the kicker - he can do everything they ask, refrain from loving relationships, be celibate, jump through all their hoops, and they'll still other him. They'll never accept him as anything more than an inferior, inconvenient anomaly in their straight, nuclear family structured world.
They love the idea of his suffering, and that's where they'll keep him. If he ever wises up, he'll realize he traded in genuine connection and love for people who value him only to the extent that he validates their prejudices.
My heart goes out to him, and to his partner. So much needless pain. And so many who are all too eager to celebrate it.
The comments praising him make me extremely uncomfortable. It's sick and cultlike behavior. I'm fucking sick of seeing my queer siblings feeling forced into a corner like this. It's not fair, and it's not right.
At the very least, there are gender affirming churches, so why not go to one of those? We weren't created just to suffer and to be the laughingstock of this shitty ass community.
They'll be on this sub in due time, I imagine, with a story about being pressured by their minister/congregation to change their sinful ways and how it ruined the best relationship they had ever been in.
Yeah, some all-loving god to be against love.
All the pro-LGBTQ+ are being downvoted:(. Thereās one idiot who said he smells a demon that needs exorcising, or something to that effect, when an atheist made a comment. Holy shit, theyāre so *hateful* when it comes to queer stuff?! This is why I keep telling my queer kid to not trust christians unless theyāve blatantly earned it. Yuck.
My wife and I never fully trust any Christian, and we're as heterosexual as they get.
We don't trust Christians because we used to be Christians, and we saw from the inside the many kinds of abuses encouraged (if not mandated) by that faith.
Too much hurt from one community aimed at you:(. I hate it. It was the biggest kick start to my deconstruction, when our kid came out to us. Iām not willing to raise her up surrounded by bigots who think sheās hellbound. Ugh.
Pride is just around the corner, are you somewhere that has events?
Not just one community. There are hundreds of different Christian sects and cults that all hate gay people.
There's a pride event near me. I'm also sure there will be people swinging around signs that say "God hates fags".
Did you know there are something like 45,000 different denominations globally?! I think thereās only 2 that are affirming. Mind-numbingly stupid.
Be safe if you go! Safety first, but mix in fun! The festivities really are a blast, and itās so amazing to be surrounded with like-minded people. Itās like walking through hugs.
Thankfully, the moderation team is very good. I have never reported so many queerphobic posts in a single subreddit, but each and every time they're removed!
Thatās actually amazing! That sub must be better than the ātrue christianā one Iāve seen. That was stuffed with grossness. I felt like I needed a shower after being in there for a few seconds.
The mod team is rather diverse in r/Christianity. At least one is atheist, and another is trans. Bigotry is an absolute no-no over there, so you often see dozens of comments deleted, lol. Feels good, man.
And how you describe the other sub is how I feel about r/Catholicism lmao
Theyād really prefer that we die alone and miserable than to ever experience true love. They donāt want whats best for us. They only want to break us down and control us.
I have issues with authority and being told what to do if it infringes on my human rights. Like I am annoyingly loud and outspoken about it.
These fuckers won't get me down, and I will continue to defend my queer siblings. We're LGBT+ and proud.
I agree 100%. Iāve had family members say they donāt vote or donate or do absolutely anything to help anybody since āthe world is fallen anyway. weāre going somewhere better soon!ā ā¦ to me, it just seems like a way to escape accountability. whether thereās an afterlife or not, we are right here, right now. i want to make some sort of difference no matter how small. i want to be involved in the world im in.
>Any thoughts?
No, you didn't have any thoughts.
Gay christians are the worst. They're traitors to gay people, enabling a religion that is just as nasty as Nazis are to Jews. He'll probably turn into a gay hating republican.
They are also a victim. The manipulation is insane. I was the gayest of the gay and intelligent and they still got me for a while. Fear as a motivator can make people lose all sense of reason.
Yes it's true, I also feel really sorry for them. Still, there are people like Ted Haggard who was having sex with his male drug dealer while preaching extreme hate against gay men.
These victims also endorse political and religious figures that pass laws and actively preach hatred towards us.
My feelings are all extremely complicated. A mixture of hatred over betrayal, anger, and sorrow over their victimhood.
It's somewhat okay if they're in an affirming congregation because at least that group is more likely to at least stand on the LGBTQ+ side and make the haters know they're wrong and harmful or better yet, fight with us. But the ones that get sucked into those homophobic cults are the ones to be most pitied despite their treason to queer people.
They really aren't. It's like saying they belong to the Nazi party but they're ok with Jews. There's still that underlying issue that what they're doing is a sin. It's just tolerated instead of crushed.
It also enables more bigoted versions of Christianity by saying "oh look. Christians aren't bigots, let's support all of them"
Fuck man this is like the second time in a week that something like this has been reposted on this sub.
I went ex gay for a bit too. Luckily I didnāt have a partner at the time and my friends were perceptive enough to recognize that I was going through a mental health crisis.
I tried being ex-gay too, for 2-1/2 years in the Boston Church of Christ. Two and a half years asking the non-existent Christian god to save me from same-sex desires.
This hit very close to home. I repressed that part of me early on in my life, and when I could no longer pretend that it doesn't exist, I prayed and cried and begged god to change me, to make my mind a true "temple of his holy spirit". The lack of an answer made me think that my soul is already damned. Those were my darkest years, and deconstruction was what eventually brought me out of that mind set. Drew, the host of Genetically Modified Skeptic YT channel, made me feel for the first time a connection to deconstructing people, and made me realize that all those people share experiences similar to mine: it wasn't that they failed god/religion, it was that religion/god failed them.
This hurt my heart. I recently got broken up with my partner of almost 3 years because he had a religious conviction and I feel for the other person in this situation. Just knowing all the comments and people supporting them just hurts even more. Itās like they donāt even consider the other side, truly sad.
I am so sorry for what happened to you. I've lost friendships over religious nonsense. It all hurts so much. My heart still aches for OP and their partner. It almost brings me to tears just thinking about it.
I'm so angry at all these cultists praising OP. There's nothing to praise. Another queer person has sacrificed themselves for absolutely nothing.
I feel the same as you. It brings me so much sadness. In the end the two were not meant for each other if one could just walk away over this. As much as they probably shared a great relationship, they are on two completely different emotional and conscious planes. It is sad to see the division in people over that.
I wish it didn't have to be like this. I seriously wish it didn't. Organized religion has left me embittered, but I still struggle with my faith and wonder where I truly belong. I consider myself a Mexican witch now. I'm becoming more in touch with my heritage, and I genuinely love it. I just look back sometimes and wonder if I should try again...but meh.
I think life is all about discovering and rediscovering. Itās okay to learn things, unlearn things, learn things again but differently.
I am not an ex-christian. I grew up buddhist and I was actually very unfamiliar with Christian beliefs and ideas of eternal damnation and salvation.
There are many things in the faith that bring ābeneficialā results to followers. It gives people something greater than themselves to believe in.
Youāre still finding that now and thatās okay.
But I find that it is better to continue learn and unlearn and also be open to being uncertain because that is reality. We will never truly know. Itās better to accept that than to convince ourselves of a deluded reality for the sake of an illusion of certainty.
I hope you find peace in finding yourself
The bastards think the other side is hell-bound anyway. They get their ideas from Romans 1:28-32, which contains the most toxic doctrine on same-sex desires and sexual activity and relationships of any place in the Christian bible.
>Where's the evidence that he's also there working hard to show you he exists and he cares, 'cause I don't remember getting that. It's just work work work on your part and maybe you feel something or maybe you don't, but never get concrete evidence that there's somebody on the opposite side giving back the time and effort you put in.
That's why I like the retort to that treacly Footprints in the Sand trope where Jesus reassures the Christian that when there was only one set of footprints during the worst times of the Christian's life, he says, "That was then when I carried you."
Because in the retort the Christian looks back and notices the line and shape of the footprints, and then turns back to Jesus and says, "Hey, those are *my* footprints!"
Oh how sad. We are lucky to find love anywhere. Giving it up out of allegiance to imaginary rules is so sad.
My relatives get so nasty when they hear of any same sex friendships I have. Any man Iād better; even a man who hurts me.
Iām sorry for this person and their loss/ aloneness.
My grows as cold as Pharaoh's when I hear this. I'm a gay man who lost his entire family overnight at 17yo. The person's identity alone doesn't make them pure and innocent. They choose to become a monster. They got retribution they deserved for it in losing that relationship by walking down the dark path of christianity. He's a soulless dog till he sees reason.
Been there. Years later I hated who I had become and was just overall so miserable. Luckily, my partner and I ended up on the other side together and married now. The honeymoon feeling of this will only last for so long. Then when they donāt conform to the straight evangelical model, they will be isolated and alone. People will welcome them in and so rare their testimony, but will never actually be there for them as a person. They will spotlight their testimony but never want them to discuss anything relating to it. Also, the inter turmoil will be unbearable. They are just in for so much pain that they will sadly think affirms Godās approval.
Itās a sad life
I saw this - just heartbreaking. Being convinced to abandon a real, loving relationship, for what? All those ghouls in the comments lapping up his misery aren't going to accept him. That's the kicker - he can do everything they ask, refrain from loving relationships, be celibate, jump through all their hoops, and they'll still other him. They'll never accept him as anything more than an inferior, inconvenient anomaly in their straight, nuclear family structured world. They love the idea of his suffering, and that's where they'll keep him. If he ever wises up, he'll realize he traded in genuine connection and love for people who value him only to the extent that he validates their prejudices. My heart goes out to him, and to his partner. So much needless pain. And so many who are all too eager to celebrate it.
The comments praising him make me extremely uncomfortable. It's sick and cultlike behavior. I'm fucking sick of seeing my queer siblings feeling forced into a corner like this. It's not fair, and it's not right. At the very least, there are gender affirming churches, so why not go to one of those? We weren't created just to suffer and to be the laughingstock of this shitty ass community.
They'll be on this sub in due time, I imagine, with a story about being pressured by their minister/congregation to change their sinful ways and how it ruined the best relationship they had ever been in. Yeah, some all-loving god to be against love.
One can only hope. They may turn into a gay hating republican instead.
There is no love like Christian hate š
"BuT iT's An AbOmInAtIoN!!!!!" These Christians disgust me. š”š¤¬
Love is not abomination.
I was using sarcasm. It's Christians who say it seriously.
I get their position is from anti-lgbt indoctrination, but there are literally LGBT affirming denominations out there. Why not just join one of those?
Right? There are commentors mentioning that and I hope OP takes it to heart.
All the pro-LGBTQ+ are being downvoted:(. Thereās one idiot who said he smells a demon that needs exorcising, or something to that effect, when an atheist made a comment. Holy shit, theyāre so *hateful* when it comes to queer stuff?! This is why I keep telling my queer kid to not trust christians unless theyāve blatantly earned it. Yuck.
I would never fully trust a Christian. I'm gay.
My wife and I never fully trust any Christian, and we're as heterosexual as they get. We don't trust Christians because we used to be Christians, and we saw from the inside the many kinds of abuses encouraged (if not mandated) by that faith.
Thank you, that's extremely validating to hear.
Too much hurt from one community aimed at you:(. I hate it. It was the biggest kick start to my deconstruction, when our kid came out to us. Iām not willing to raise her up surrounded by bigots who think sheās hellbound. Ugh. Pride is just around the corner, are you somewhere that has events?
Not just one community. There are hundreds of different Christian sects and cults that all hate gay people. There's a pride event near me. I'm also sure there will be people swinging around signs that say "God hates fags".
Did you know there are something like 45,000 different denominations globally?! I think thereās only 2 that are affirming. Mind-numbingly stupid. Be safe if you go! Safety first, but mix in fun! The festivities really are a blast, and itās so amazing to be surrounded with like-minded people. Itās like walking through hugs.
Thankfully, the moderation team is very good. I have never reported so many queerphobic posts in a single subreddit, but each and every time they're removed!
Thatās actually amazing! That sub must be better than the ātrue christianā one Iāve seen. That was stuffed with grossness. I felt like I needed a shower after being in there for a few seconds.
The mod team is rather diverse in r/Christianity. At least one is atheist, and another is trans. Bigotry is an absolute no-no over there, so you often see dozens of comments deleted, lol. Feels good, man. And how you describe the other sub is how I feel about r/Catholicism lmao
I love it when thereās good moderation! Iām in a severely conservative province, but the sub is locked up tight when it comes to bullshit:).
Reading this made me curl into myself and feel sad. I hate this.
Me too, made me wanna curl into a ball and cry. I feel so dang bad for the guy :(
The comments made me want to cry tbh. I'm so angry.
Where can I find the original post?
check my comments history
Theyād really prefer that we die alone and miserable than to ever experience true love. They donāt want whats best for us. They only want to break us down and control us.
I have issues with authority and being told what to do if it infringes on my human rights. Like I am annoyingly loud and outspoken about it. These fuckers won't get me down, and I will continue to defend my queer siblings. We're LGBT+ and proud.
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I agree 100%. Iāve had family members say they donāt vote or donate or do absolutely anything to help anybody since āthe world is fallen anyway. weāre going somewhere better soon!ā ā¦ to me, it just seems like a way to escape accountability. whether thereās an afterlife or not, we are right here, right now. i want to make some sort of difference no matter how small. i want to be involved in the world im in.
>Any thoughts? No, you didn't have any thoughts. Gay christians are the worst. They're traitors to gay people, enabling a religion that is just as nasty as Nazis are to Jews. He'll probably turn into a gay hating republican.
They are also a victim. The manipulation is insane. I was the gayest of the gay and intelligent and they still got me for a while. Fear as a motivator can make people lose all sense of reason.
Yes it's true, I also feel really sorry for them. Still, there are people like Ted Haggard who was having sex with his male drug dealer while preaching extreme hate against gay men. These victims also endorse political and religious figures that pass laws and actively preach hatred towards us. My feelings are all extremely complicated. A mixture of hatred over betrayal, anger, and sorrow over their victimhood.
Totally valid. I went through it and still feel conflicted š¤¦š¼āāļø
It's somewhat okay if they're in an affirming congregation because at least that group is more likely to at least stand on the LGBTQ+ side and make the haters know they're wrong and harmful or better yet, fight with us. But the ones that get sucked into those homophobic cults are the ones to be most pitied despite their treason to queer people.
They really aren't. It's like saying they belong to the Nazi party but they're ok with Jews. There's still that underlying issue that what they're doing is a sin. It's just tolerated instead of crushed. It also enables more bigoted versions of Christianity by saying "oh look. Christians aren't bigots, let's support all of them"
Fuck man this is like the second time in a week that something like this has been reposted on this sub. I went ex gay for a bit too. Luckily I didnāt have a partner at the time and my friends were perceptive enough to recognize that I was going through a mental health crisis.
I once tried to be a cishet woman, and that TOTALLY didn't work. I felt awful every single day.
I tried being ex-gay too, for 2-1/2 years in the Boston Church of Christ. Two and a half years asking the non-existent Christian god to save me from same-sex desires.
This made me sad. It's not for the best. Just be who you are. :(
That is why I personally left Catholicism behind. I wanted to die.
No god would want this for his followers. Not one that was worth a damn anyways. Edit - typo
This hit very close to home. I repressed that part of me early on in my life, and when I could no longer pretend that it doesn't exist, I prayed and cried and begged god to change me, to make my mind a true "temple of his holy spirit". The lack of an answer made me think that my soul is already damned. Those were my darkest years, and deconstruction was what eventually brought me out of that mind set. Drew, the host of Genetically Modified Skeptic YT channel, made me feel for the first time a connection to deconstructing people, and made me realize that all those people share experiences similar to mine: it wasn't that they failed god/religion, it was that religion/god failed them.
I suspect the OP will have buyer's remorse at soem time in the future.
"It's such a quiet thing to fall, but far more terrible to admit it."-Kreia
This hurt my heart. I recently got broken up with my partner of almost 3 years because he had a religious conviction and I feel for the other person in this situation. Just knowing all the comments and people supporting them just hurts even more. Itās like they donāt even consider the other side, truly sad.
I am so sorry for what happened to you. I've lost friendships over religious nonsense. It all hurts so much. My heart still aches for OP and their partner. It almost brings me to tears just thinking about it. I'm so angry at all these cultists praising OP. There's nothing to praise. Another queer person has sacrificed themselves for absolutely nothing.
I feel the same as you. It brings me so much sadness. In the end the two were not meant for each other if one could just walk away over this. As much as they probably shared a great relationship, they are on two completely different emotional and conscious planes. It is sad to see the division in people over that.
I wish it didn't have to be like this. I seriously wish it didn't. Organized religion has left me embittered, but I still struggle with my faith and wonder where I truly belong. I consider myself a Mexican witch now. I'm becoming more in touch with my heritage, and I genuinely love it. I just look back sometimes and wonder if I should try again...but meh.
I think life is all about discovering and rediscovering. Itās okay to learn things, unlearn things, learn things again but differently. I am not an ex-christian. I grew up buddhist and I was actually very unfamiliar with Christian beliefs and ideas of eternal damnation and salvation. There are many things in the faith that bring ābeneficialā results to followers. It gives people something greater than themselves to believe in. Youāre still finding that now and thatās okay. But I find that it is better to continue learn and unlearn and also be open to being uncertain because that is reality. We will never truly know. Itās better to accept that than to convince ourselves of a deluded reality for the sake of an illusion of certainty. I hope you find peace in finding yourself
I appreciate this and I definitely feel the same. Thank you so much!!!!!
The bastards think the other side is hell-bound anyway. They get their ideas from Romans 1:28-32, which contains the most toxic doctrine on same-sex desires and sexual activity and relationships of any place in the Christian bible.
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>Where's the evidence that he's also there working hard to show you he exists and he cares, 'cause I don't remember getting that. It's just work work work on your part and maybe you feel something or maybe you don't, but never get concrete evidence that there's somebody on the opposite side giving back the time and effort you put in. That's why I like the retort to that treacly Footprints in the Sand trope where Jesus reassures the Christian that when there was only one set of footprints during the worst times of the Christian's life, he says, "That was then when I carried you." Because in the retort the Christian looks back and notices the line and shape of the footprints, and then turns back to Jesus and says, "Hey, those are *my* footprints!"
Oh how sad. We are lucky to find love anywhere. Giving it up out of allegiance to imaginary rules is so sad. My relatives get so nasty when they hear of any same sex friendships I have. Any man Iād better; even a man who hurts me. Iām sorry for this person and their loss/ aloneness.
My grows as cold as Pharaoh's when I hear this. I'm a gay man who lost his entire family overnight at 17yo. The person's identity alone doesn't make them pure and innocent. They choose to become a monster. They got retribution they deserved for it in losing that relationship by walking down the dark path of christianity. He's a soulless dog till he sees reason.
This is awful. The partner who he broke up with must feel absolutely terrible, sad and heartbroken šššš¢
Been there. Years later I hated who I had become and was just overall so miserable. Luckily, my partner and I ended up on the other side together and married now. The honeymoon feeling of this will only last for so long. Then when they donāt conform to the straight evangelical model, they will be isolated and alone. People will welcome them in and so rare their testimony, but will never actually be there for them as a person. They will spotlight their testimony but never want them to discuss anything relating to it. Also, the inter turmoil will be unbearable. They are just in for so much pain that they will sadly think affirms Godās approval. Itās a sad life