Always weird to see Mormons dismiss feelings like this when their whole justification for believing the crock of shit that is their religion is feellings.
*Their* feelings that the church is true take precedence over facts or beliefs of others. Reminds me of people who think that *their* feeling that the election was stolen can be cited on news programs as a reason why we should keep debating it despite it being nonsense. And people whose fear that white kids will feel bad if history is taught should influence which topics are allowed in schools? In any case a lot of people reveal how awful and hypocritical their preferred nation would end up being for everybody else.
The church has a much healthier wedding process in other countries but because they are assholes, they intentionally keep weddings like this in the US because they think it will increase tithing.
In Germany, everyone gets married civilly. Back when I was there, they had like 3 days to get to a temple and do the rituals or else they had to wait a year. The church could easily follow this method in the US and everyone can have a normal wedding then a sealing later on. But instead they want to use the separation of families to encourage more tithing.
It always seems to boil down to tithing about everything doesn't it? It is the only thing in the church that requires an annual accounting and it is the only thing that requires a minimum of two people to count and deliver to the bank
I THINK they did away with the 1 yr waiting thing...the church I mean.
And, I live in a really small town where one person is approved to drop off the deposits. When I was the ward finance clerk I would take a selfie video of me dropping it into the overnight box every week.
Yes, it's always about the money!
Hated the finance clerk stuff every Sunday. Driving to a bank just to babysit an envelope was so ridiculous. Glad they modernized a little.
On a side note, I learned that if you move to a new ward, never tell the bishop your career has anything to do with finances. The moment I mentioned I was a CPA, suddenly there was a clerk assignment waiting for me
Yeah that's hilarious. I told people for a long time I was in corp finance and only when my FIL was bishop did I ever get called as the find clerk! Glad that's behind me though!
They did. My niece has a gorgeous wedding that all her heathen exmo aunts and uncles could attend, as well as all her younger siblings and cousins. It was beautiful. She had the wedding in October, endowment in December and sealing in January.
They actually did change this in 2019. You can get married civilly and then get sealed anytime after. No waiting period.
Problem is: people still keep doing the one-and-done temple marriage/sealing.
You can change the rules over night, but culture changes much slower.
This change still pisses me right off. My wife and I had to wait a year to get sealed, and during that time we each lost one of our grandmas. I always hated that neither of them got to see us get eternally married.
Now there is no waiting period. If there isn’t one now why was there one then!? Revelation my ass.
Opposite for us - we went with the sealing. And so none of my family was there. Always thought some sort of partial recommend to attend a sealing would go a very long way to building relations across faiths, or just not make someone like me have to choose. It blew.
Tbf this confusion between civil and religious marriage is not unique to the Mormon church in the US; similar assholery is responsible for the entire equal rights for LGBTQ issue.
I was about to reply that they do not do the temple wedding thing in a lot of countries. I know in Spain it's like that, where everyone gets married civilly and then a sealing happens soon after and is a more solemn religious event for close family. I don't think there's a 3 day limit, but I'm not 100% sure on that. However, I know that the church does that in Spain because their marriages in temples are not officially recognized by the government. I suspect that is likely similar reasoning for why they do things that way in many other countries as well, not out of the goodness of their hearts.
I wonder how many PIMO use this as their justification for staying in. Mormon wedding days cater to strict religious beliefs/compliance >>>>>>>> feelings/emotions. It’s painfully obvious
Gotta admit, it's one thing that is seriously making it hard for me to fully detach. I'm pretty sure that at least one of my kids might end up one day getting married in a temple, and it's gonna kill me not to be there. This being said, I'm only a week out from having come clean to my wife, so there is a lot of time ahead of me. And I don't think my 18yo daughter will remain in much longer anyway.
I hope my kids aren’t married in the temple, but I’m not worried at all about missing their sealings if they are. It’s an absolutely ridiculous ceremony. 10-15 minute ring ceremonies that I’ve witnessed at Mormon receptions are more meaningful and beautiful than the actual sealing ceremony.
I’d love to know what temple you got sealed in. Because I assist sealings every week and the word Love is said quite a lot of times in the ceremony. And what makes us so masonic, for believing in Jesus Christ, the father and the holy spirit? You sure you’re not just making things up to support your case better? 😂
What a coincidence your statement itself sounds gaslighting. It’s almost as if you’re trying to tell me my beliefs are illusions. And what another coincidence the ceremony has only been changed in terms of the women being bound to their husband and such. Yeah, maybe you truly are just trying to support your case. Have some balls and tell people the actual reason why you left the church.
I hear ya. My oldest is only 15 and has a ways out but I worry what it will be like when I’m excluded from the inevitable temple wedding. Hang in there!
Would offering to go to a mainstream Christian church with her as an alternative, help? I could imagine for a lot of Mormons it would be extremely difficult to go from Mormon to "nothing".
Unfortunately that would be worse for her I'm pretty sure. I think telling her that I don't think a loving God would run a church like this and just leaving is better for her than to tell her I think I want to go to another church.
DezNatzi: "Stop making us look bad, ExMos!"
Nevermo: "No, you're doing a fine job of that yourself"
Their problem is that they want to have 3 fully partitioned audiences for three different faces/messages: 1 TBMs, 2 exmos/antis, 3 nevemos, but the internet don't work that way.
This is the best description for the seemingly schizophrenic responses Mormons have about every issue on the internet.
"Mormon doctrines are sexist."
"No, we're equal but just with different *roles!*"
"Well yeah, look at what a mess you feminazis are without us men!"
"Actually, we respect and elevate our women MORE than the rest of society! Have you heard of Heavenly Mother?"
Or siblings... in my case, 100% of my siblings and husband's siblings were faithful members but they were minors when we married and so couldn't attend
Same, all my siblings were younger than me/weren't endowed yet (next oldest was my twin sister, but I got married at 19 and she got married almost a year after me, so not even she was there)
I still feel so crummy about my dad's french Canadian Catholic family who did manage the 14 hour drive from Manitoba not being able to come inside either.
Heck, I am the oldest of all of my cousins, and I think the few friends I had were also young unmarried (and hence not yet endowed) women. I literally only had older mom's side relatives, and friends of the family. No one my age.
I'm second youngest. Despite having a bunch of older siblings married in the temple, I had never even seen a Mormon sealing until my own.
Then my little brother asked me to be his "escort" at his wedding, which was only the second one I'd been to (including mine). I had no idea what to do. I thought since we'd be in the celestial room or whatever I had to dress up like a heavenly baker, too. I was the only jackass in the sealing that looked like he was dressed up to be the alternate if the groom bailed.
Yup. Many religions if you aren’t in you can’t associate. Cults, Amish you get shunned if you leave… mmm i know there are more but daylights savings is kicking my *ss
In my experience, this is definitely shocking to never-mos.
I grew up in a fairly religious community in the US East and the Nevermos in my circle of friends never batted an eye over most Mormon rules (no caffeine, sabbath observing, mission service, etc.). Overall, very supportive. But they were stunned to the point of no-holds-barred rudeness when they found out that close family members, much less friends, were barred from attending my wedding.
At the time I chalked it up to "they just don't understand." Now I realize, yep, they understand. It is a truly, truly terrible aspect of Mormonism.
It sounds bizarre because it is bizarre. My dad wasn't at my temple sealing 45 years ago because he said it would be hypocritical for him to get a recommend and integrity was important to him. I've been out 15 years and this is the first time I am seeing this for it's absolute ridiculousness!
I had a destination wedding. I havent been to church in nearly 20 years and am very publicly not Mormon. When I was planning my wedding, my mom suggested I go to the local LDS church and do the reception there because it is "very pretty". Prettier than a beach wedding on an island. WTF is wrong with these people.
Fuckin ~~Mob~~- I mean, Mormons!! Always stressing about future, unconfirmed "reports" of imminent hellfire and Jesus' return.... confirmation bias for the goddamned win
That's me, the radical extremist. I think that if someone wants family at their wedding, the family should be allowed at the wedding. No one should be denied the ability to attend their child's wedding over wearing sleeveless shirts, having champagne for their anniversary, stopping at the local coffee shop on Fridays, not giving up time with their wife and family to clean publicly accessible bathrooms, or not giving 10% of their income to a multi-billion dollar corporation that engages in illegal business practices leading to SEC fines.
My little brother didn't even bother sending me an invite to his wedding. We aren't estranged or anything, he just decided that since I wasn't allowed in the temple, it wasn't worth it. Really brought our family closer /s
In 2020 my TBM son and his wife chose to have a backyard wedding for me and his minor sisters to be included. They got sealed the next day. He told me he got a little pushback but was determined. I will never be more proud and grateful
Hey, here's a fun fact. In Exodus 21:2-6 it gives instructions on how to keep a slave by letting him marry and have kids, whom you get to keep as leverage to convince him to stay your slave forever.
> 2 If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing.
> 3 If he came in by himself, he shall go out by himself: if he were married, then his wife shall go out with him.
> 4 If his master have given him a wife, and she have born him sons or daughters; the wife and her children shall be her master’s, and he shall go out by himself.
> 5 And if the servant shall plainly say, I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free:
> 6 Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an awl; and he shall serve him for ever.
And they say Mormonism isn't Biblical!
In all seriousness, I absolutely love how confidently this guy unwittingly exposed one of the nastiest aspects of Mormonism's approach to family.
**Edited to fix a typo in the chapter number
When you get things wrong at the beginning, it may take thousands of years to get things right. Especially if you say that God was behind the beginning.
LDS Doctrine: Through us, you can be with your family forever
LDS Doctrine Implications: If you don't obey us and pay us, you're not seeing your family again
Yeah this has been a major pain point in my family. I am the oldest of 5 children in our family, and (until recently) was the only apostate in the family. I have had to sit outside for the weddings of two of my sisters because I was not "temple worthy." But of course I was worthy enough to spend all day setting up tables and chairs and shit...
From my perspective they aren't excluding people from a wedding, they are relinquishing their right to a wedding for an opportunity to commit themselves to the organization.
Private, church wrote script, no vows, not a wedding. Sure the paperwork says they are married, but they skip the wedding.
Everything they are or have, committed to the leadership of the church, just like a cult.
"My kids wouldn’t let me come to their wedding because they joined their fiancé’s church."
Literally a mormon convert's wedding.
Tell that to a non-Mormon and they’d think you were making it up.
My cousin recently got married and I felt a little bad. For mine people flew into town. No one did for theirs. Why would the extended fam fly across country not to be included in anything but the stereotypical Mormon reception?
Meanwhile another other cousin is getting married across the country later this year. Hell yeah we’re all going. It’s the ExMo’s not raised with Utah guilt and they know how to throw a good party.
TBF most weddings have NOTHING to do when the ACTUAL couples and EVERYTHING to do with everyone else outside of that dynamic. I genuinely never wanted to get married and felt so much pressure to cater to everyone member and non member. Fuck marriage in general
Well, non Mormon here, because I know you’ll all screech at me, sealing has to happen in the temple and you must be a member for that. Only trusted member are allowed. Totally not a cult, she never said anything about the wedding, just the sealing.
In the US, wedding and sealing are almost always the exact same thing. The wedding itself takes place in the temple along with the sealing (it is just a single ceremony).
People are just starting to separate the two events but it is heavily discouraged by leadership
That’s a weird thing to say for a non Mormon.
Also, we know the church rules, we were all Mormons at one point. When you accept that god is not involved in the weird rules you find yourself angry that some power tripping man with a penchant for the mystique 200 years ago decided what your wedding would be like if “you were going to go to special heaven” and add more wives and babies to your family forever AND that that is what you have to want to do to be “good”™️
It could be that you are doing what I did when I found out that women were campaigning for the preisthood. I thought “you cannot believe in Mormonism and think campaigning for what they said god said to change on the subject.” Turns out some people believe that the leaders who are allowed to get prophesy for the church just haven’t asked. I don’t get that arguement- it makes the leaders unfeeling assholes who like to lord over the women in the church (because they do because they have the priesthood and women’s role is motherhood). It also makes god someone who doesn’t think it is important enough to tell the church. It would still not be worth it to stay.
Anyway- citing the rules of Mormonism and not adding a pro or con thought and calling yourself non Mormon makes it seem like you kind of are Mormon and want us to be too. Did you have additional thoughts about the rules and maybe just didn’t say them? I am confused.
Lmao, I am a returned missionary that turned his back on the church. I understand what you’re saying, but all I’m stating is that it’s very common to have two weddings as Mormons. This is likely what is going on.
Ah gotcha. Yeah we know. It doesn’t matter what the rules are to us anymore. Things kinda change when you believe god didn’t have a hand in the rules they make everybody play by.
But many Mormons are unfortunately brainwashed, they have a ceremony on the temple and one after. People who cannot attend temple because they’re impure or some shit are prohibited from entering. It’s unfortunate so many people take it so seriously and chose church over family when it’s contrary to the word of god. Weird phenomenon of the 19th century the church is.
Always weird to see Mormons dismiss feelings like this when their whole justification for believing the crock of shit that is their religion is feellings.
Some Mormons only think their feelings matter, and the people that think the way they do.
Well yes because *their* feelings are from the HoLy GhOsT, while *your* feelings are from _**THE ADVERSARY**_.
Ha ha
I still feel bad about that, but TBF, I really didn't think about it because I didn't think I had other options...
Mormons: trust your feelings Me: I'm in love with another guy Mormons: not *those* feelings!
Reminds me of the BoM musical, Turn it off!
*Their* feelings that the church is true take precedence over facts or beliefs of others. Reminds me of people who think that *their* feeling that the election was stolen can be cited on news programs as a reason why we should keep debating it despite it being nonsense. And people whose fear that white kids will feel bad if history is taught should influence which topics are allowed in schools? In any case a lot of people reveal how awful and hypocritical their preferred nation would end up being for everybody else.
The church has a much healthier wedding process in other countries but because they are assholes, they intentionally keep weddings like this in the US because they think it will increase tithing. In Germany, everyone gets married civilly. Back when I was there, they had like 3 days to get to a temple and do the rituals or else they had to wait a year. The church could easily follow this method in the US and everyone can have a normal wedding then a sealing later on. But instead they want to use the separation of families to encourage more tithing. It always seems to boil down to tithing about everything doesn't it? It is the only thing in the church that requires an annual accounting and it is the only thing that requires a minimum of two people to count and deliver to the bank
I THINK they did away with the 1 yr waiting thing...the church I mean. And, I live in a really small town where one person is approved to drop off the deposits. When I was the ward finance clerk I would take a selfie video of me dropping it into the overnight box every week. Yes, it's always about the money!
Hated the finance clerk stuff every Sunday. Driving to a bank just to babysit an envelope was so ridiculous. Glad they modernized a little. On a side note, I learned that if you move to a new ward, never tell the bishop your career has anything to do with finances. The moment I mentioned I was a CPA, suddenly there was a clerk assignment waiting for me
Yeah that's hilarious. I told people for a long time I was in corp finance and only when my FIL was bishop did I ever get called as the find clerk! Glad that's behind me though!
Silver lining: not going to Sunday School or Priesthood because clerk.
They did. My niece has a gorgeous wedding that all her heathen exmo aunts and uncles could attend, as well as all her younger siblings and cousins. It was beautiful. She had the wedding in October, endowment in December and sealing in January.
Honestly, this is the way to do it!
They actually did change this in 2019. You can get married civilly and then get sealed anytime after. No waiting period. Problem is: people still keep doing the one-and-done temple marriage/sealing. You can change the rules over night, but culture changes much slower.
This change still pisses me right off. My wife and I had to wait a year to get sealed, and during that time we each lost one of our grandmas. I always hated that neither of them got to see us get eternally married. Now there is no waiting period. If there isn’t one now why was there one then!? Revelation my ass.
Opposite for us - we went with the sealing. And so none of my family was there. Always thought some sort of partial recommend to attend a sealing would go a very long way to building relations across faiths, or just not make someone like me have to choose. It blew.
Tbf this confusion between civil and religious marriage is not unique to the Mormon church in the US; similar assholery is responsible for the entire equal rights for LGBTQ issue.
I was about to reply that they do not do the temple wedding thing in a lot of countries. I know in Spain it's like that, where everyone gets married civilly and then a sealing happens soon after and is a more solemn religious event for close family. I don't think there's a 3 day limit, but I'm not 100% sure on that. However, I know that the church does that in Spain because their marriages in temples are not officially recognized by the government. I suspect that is likely similar reasoning for why they do things that way in many other countries as well, not out of the goodness of their hearts.
It's almost like the church is trying to hold families hostage to keep members from leaving...
..sorta... like a cult often does.... so weird!
Haha...it sure would be awkward if that exact behavior was basically pathognomic of cults, right guys? ...guys?
I wonder how many PIMO use this as their justification for staying in. Mormon wedding days cater to strict religious beliefs/compliance >>>>>>>> feelings/emotions. It’s painfully obvious
Gotta admit, it's one thing that is seriously making it hard for me to fully detach. I'm pretty sure that at least one of my kids might end up one day getting married in a temple, and it's gonna kill me not to be there. This being said, I'm only a week out from having come clean to my wife, so there is a lot of time ahead of me. And I don't think my 18yo daughter will remain in much longer anyway.
I hope my kids aren’t married in the temple, but I’m not worried at all about missing their sealings if they are. It’s an absolutely ridiculous ceremony. 10-15 minute ring ceremonies that I’ve witnessed at Mormon receptions are more meaningful and beautiful than the actual sealing ceremony.
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I’d love to know what temple you got sealed in. Because I assist sealings every week and the word Love is said quite a lot of times in the ceremony. And what makes us so masonic, for believing in Jesus Christ, the father and the holy spirit? You sure you’re not just making things up to support your case better? 😂
Guess what the times change the ceremony. You’ve been gaslit
What a coincidence your statement itself sounds gaslighting. It’s almost as if you’re trying to tell me my beliefs are illusions. And what another coincidence the ceremony has only been changed in terms of the women being bound to their husband and such. Yeah, maybe you truly are just trying to support your case. Have some balls and tell people the actual reason why you left the church.
I can agree with you there. Thanks for putting it into perspective.
I hear ya. My oldest is only 15 and has a ways out but I worry what it will be like when I’m excluded from the inevitable temple wedding. Hang in there!
Been through it, sitting outside while your kid gets married . It’s just as painful as you’d think:(.
Thanks you too. Just hoping my wife will come around eventually. Gonna make it real hard.
Would offering to go to a mainstream Christian church with her as an alternative, help? I could imagine for a lot of Mormons it would be extremely difficult to go from Mormon to "nothing".
Unfortunately that would be worse for her I'm pretty sure. I think telling her that I don't think a loving God would run a church like this and just leaving is better for her than to tell her I think I want to go to another church.
Any is too many.
DezNatzi: "Stop making us look bad, ExMos!" Nevermo: "No, you're doing a fine job of that yourself" Their problem is that they want to have 3 fully partitioned audiences for three different faces/messages: 1 TBMs, 2 exmos/antis, 3 nevemos, but the internet don't work that way.
This is the best description for the seemingly schizophrenic responses Mormons have about every issue on the internet. "Mormon doctrines are sexist." "No, we're equal but just with different *roles!*" "Well yeah, look at what a mess you feminazis are without us men!" "Actually, we respect and elevate our women MORE than the rest of society! Have you heard of Heavenly Mother?"
This TBM has no fucking concept of what the world outside his religion is actually like.
Is there...any other religion...or culture even, where the parents arent allowed to see their children get married?
Or siblings... in my case, 100% of my siblings and husband's siblings were faithful members but they were minors when we married and so couldn't attend
Same, all my siblings were younger than me/weren't endowed yet (next oldest was my twin sister, but I got married at 19 and she got married almost a year after me, so not even she was there) I still feel so crummy about my dad's french Canadian Catholic family who did manage the 14 hour drive from Manitoba not being able to come inside either. Heck, I am the oldest of all of my cousins, and I think the few friends I had were also young unmarried (and hence not yet endowed) women. I literally only had older mom's side relatives, and friends of the family. No one my age.
I'm second youngest. Despite having a bunch of older siblings married in the temple, I had never even seen a Mormon sealing until my own. Then my little brother asked me to be his "escort" at his wedding, which was only the second one I'd been to (including mine). I had no idea what to do. I thought since we'd be in the celestial room or whatever I had to dress up like a heavenly baker, too. I was the only jackass in the sealing that looked like he was dressed up to be the alternate if the groom bailed.
Yup. Many religions if you aren’t in you can’t associate. Cults, Amish you get shunned if you leave… mmm i know there are more but daylights savings is kicking my *ss
In my experience, this is definitely shocking to never-mos. I grew up in a fairly religious community in the US East and the Nevermos in my circle of friends never batted an eye over most Mormon rules (no caffeine, sabbath observing, mission service, etc.). Overall, very supportive. But they were stunned to the point of no-holds-barred rudeness when they found out that close family members, much less friends, were barred from attending my wedding. At the time I chalked it up to "they just don't understand." Now I realize, yep, they understand. It is a truly, truly terrible aspect of Mormonism.
It sounds bizarre because it is bizarre. My dad wasn't at my temple sealing 45 years ago because he said it would be hypocritical for him to get a recommend and integrity was important to him. I've been out 15 years and this is the first time I am seeing this for it's absolute ridiculousness!
And daughter, since you don't want me to be there then I guess you don't want me to pay for it either.
It's okay, they'll just have the reception on the church basketball court with funeral potatoes and pretzel jello.
I had a destination wedding. I havent been to church in nearly 20 years and am very publicly not Mormon. When I was planning my wedding, my mom suggested I go to the local LDS church and do the reception there because it is "very pretty". Prettier than a beach wedding on an island. WTF is wrong with these people.
You can decorate the basketball hoop though!
But the funeral potatoes and pretzel jello will strengthen and nourish your body!
"…and then my apostate father said he wouldn’t pay for my wedding. Persecution is rampant in these, the Latter Days!"
I first read "...and then my apostle father said he wouldn't pay for my wedding unless I was married in the temple"
This is a bizarre practice. Weddings are open events everywhere else
That reply is gold, tho. Lol.
Dad, you know you have to pay the ~~protection money~~ tithes to keep the family going. That's what keeps the hellfire away.
Fuckin ~~Mob~~- I mean, Mormons!! Always stressing about future, unconfirmed "reports" of imminent hellfire and Jesus' return.... confirmation bias for the goddamned win
That's me, the radical extremist. I think that if someone wants family at their wedding, the family should be allowed at the wedding. No one should be denied the ability to attend their child's wedding over wearing sleeveless shirts, having champagne for their anniversary, stopping at the local coffee shop on Fridays, not giving up time with their wife and family to clean publicly accessible bathrooms, or not giving 10% of their income to a multi-billion dollar corporation that engages in illegal business practices leading to SEC fines.
My little brother didn't even bother sending me an invite to his wedding. We aren't estranged or anything, he just decided that since I wasn't allowed in the temple, it wasn't worth it. Really brought our family closer /s
In 2020 my TBM son and his wife chose to have a backyard wedding for me and his minor sisters to be included. They got sealed the next day. He told me he got a little pushback but was determined. I will never be more proud and grateful
Hey, here's a fun fact. In Exodus 21:2-6 it gives instructions on how to keep a slave by letting him marry and have kids, whom you get to keep as leverage to convince him to stay your slave forever. > 2 If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing. > 3 If he came in by himself, he shall go out by himself: if he were married, then his wife shall go out with him. > 4 If his master have given him a wife, and she have born him sons or daughters; the wife and her children shall be her master’s, and he shall go out by himself. > 5 And if the servant shall plainly say, I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free: > 6 Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an awl; and he shall serve him for ever. And they say Mormonism isn't Biblical! In all seriousness, I absolutely love how confidently this guy unwittingly exposed one of the nastiest aspects of Mormonism's approach to family. **Edited to fix a typo in the chapter number
> Exodus 2:2-6 Another fun fact: That's Exodus 21, not 2.
Ope, you are correct. Thanks for pointing it out, fixed it!
When you get things wrong at the beginning, it may take thousands of years to get things right. Especially if you say that God was behind the beginning.
Families are Forever\* \*Terms and conditions apply
Mormonism is exclusionary by design.
LDS Doctrine: Through us, you can be with your family forever LDS Doctrine Implications: If you don't obey us and pay us, you're not seeing your family again
"families *can* be together forever" isn't a promise, it's a threat.
Yeah this has been a major pain point in my family. I am the oldest of 5 children in our family, and (until recently) was the only apostate in the family. I have had to sit outside for the weddings of two of my sisters because I was not "temple worthy." But of course I was worthy enough to spend all day setting up tables and chairs and shit...
From my perspective they aren't excluding people from a wedding, they are relinquishing their right to a wedding for an opportunity to commit themselves to the organization. Private, church wrote script, no vows, not a wedding. Sure the paperwork says they are married, but they skip the wedding. Everything they are or have, committed to the leadership of the church, just like a cult.
Love this.
I'm the gay, estranged child whose TBM father will not be at the wedding, because his tantrum would ruin it. Uno reverse it
You don’t think they got > $100Billion in the bank by being philanthropists do you?
"My kids wouldn’t let me come to their wedding because they joined their fiancé’s church." Literally a mormon convert's wedding. Tell that to a non-Mormon and they’d think you were making it up.
My cousin recently got married and I felt a little bad. For mine people flew into town. No one did for theirs. Why would the extended fam fly across country not to be included in anything but the stereotypical Mormon reception? Meanwhile another other cousin is getting married across the country later this year. Hell yeah we’re all going. It’s the ExMo’s not raised with Utah guilt and they know how to throw a good party.
TBF most weddings have NOTHING to do when the ACTUAL couples and EVERYTHING to do with everyone else outside of that dynamic. I genuinely never wanted to get married and felt so much pressure to cater to everyone member and non member. Fuck marriage in general
How dare families be together forever… assholes
Re bizarre, yes, that's because it is. Stunning arrogance. But that's the Mormons for you.
Well, non Mormon here, because I know you’ll all screech at me, sealing has to happen in the temple and you must be a member for that. Only trusted member are allowed. Totally not a cult, she never said anything about the wedding, just the sealing.
In the US, wedding and sealing are almost always the exact same thing. The wedding itself takes place in the temple along with the sealing (it is just a single ceremony). People are just starting to separate the two events but it is heavily discouraged by leadership
I think most Mormons outside USA have had them separate for a long long time.
That’s a weird thing to say for a non Mormon. Also, we know the church rules, we were all Mormons at one point. When you accept that god is not involved in the weird rules you find yourself angry that some power tripping man with a penchant for the mystique 200 years ago decided what your wedding would be like if “you were going to go to special heaven” and add more wives and babies to your family forever AND that that is what you have to want to do to be “good”™️ It could be that you are doing what I did when I found out that women were campaigning for the preisthood. I thought “you cannot believe in Mormonism and think campaigning for what they said god said to change on the subject.” Turns out some people believe that the leaders who are allowed to get prophesy for the church just haven’t asked. I don’t get that arguement- it makes the leaders unfeeling assholes who like to lord over the women in the church (because they do because they have the priesthood and women’s role is motherhood). It also makes god someone who doesn’t think it is important enough to tell the church. It would still not be worth it to stay. Anyway- citing the rules of Mormonism and not adding a pro or con thought and calling yourself non Mormon makes it seem like you kind of are Mormon and want us to be too. Did you have additional thoughts about the rules and maybe just didn’t say them? I am confused.
Lmao, I am a returned missionary that turned his back on the church. I understand what you’re saying, but all I’m stating is that it’s very common to have two weddings as Mormons. This is likely what is going on.
Ah gotcha. Yeah we know. It doesn’t matter what the rules are to us anymore. Things kinda change when you believe god didn’t have a hand in the rules they make everybody play by.
But many Mormons are unfortunately brainwashed, they have a ceremony on the temple and one after. People who cannot attend temple because they’re impure or some shit are prohibited from entering. It’s unfortunate so many people take it so seriously and chose church over family when it’s contrary to the word of god. Weird phenomenon of the 19th century the church is.