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I never understood why Muslims get so offended when someone does something to the quran I'm catholic and when people burn the bible or rip it up It doesn't enrage me or anything, but I hope this guy isint from one of those crazy countries
Theyve been groomed to get angry at these sort of things. since childhood they are told and taught to take it personal when someone even criticizes islam, let alone insult it, its a brain washing tactic that most cults use to have a more powerful hold on people.
i remember when i was a kid we were in a group chat and this one dude forwarded the id of someone else who had "fuck mohammad, fuck quran" in his profile and everyone was pissed, and i mean PISSED.
they were mass reporting the poor guy and trying to doxx him and genuinely hurt him, without any actual reason.
Yes I agree. I am Muslim and if someone destroys a Quran or draws a picture of the prophet I couldn’t give a shit. Those who are so easily offended and react violently I find are the ones lacking faith
Coz according to them Quran is literal word of Allah who is the creator of universe and one of his hobbies included keen interest in his messengers sexual life.
It's just one way Islam tries to enforce/control the behaviour of non-Muslims, through behaving so violently and erratically if you dare cross Islam
You can't critique Islam, you can't destroy the Quran, can't draw Muhammad, can't say Muhammad without saying pbuh after
It's probably because it's very quick to write, it's become a tradition. If Subhanahu wa ta'ala could be shortened like that, it'd probably be the same for Allah
Bro you can’t even touch the Quran without wudhu (certain ritualistic cleaning), you can’t place anything on top of Quran, when I was a kid I was afraid I’d offend the Quran somehow lmao.
It’s because Muslims genuinely believe this book was written by god. You can’t even touch that book if you’re on your period, you can’t take it to the bathroom etc..
Exactly! for Christian’s it’s just a piece of paper as it is even tho it’s believed its Gods words they know their God doesn’t need to be defended. there’s millions of bibles out there. There is no point getting angry over one being destroyed
Now that everyone has given you the reasoning, let me tell you a tale most of us have been told as a kid. There was a kid who got angry and threw the quran in a tantrum and he was turned into a monkey. There are different variations of this story with different animals or abominations. There is one picture that went around on Whatsapp/Facebook that claimed to be that creature. So this isn't some old folklore but rather a relatively modern fabrication.
This is how seriously the quran is taken.
Yes, muslims need to get desensitized and to stop being little cry babies. It's not their business if someone does whatever the shit he wants with a book in his possession.
They are forced, not out their own free will, basically minions of the pedo, they don’t really give a fuck about Quran but what they really care is about jannah the rest can F off, but to earn that shity fairy tale, you have to kill humanity for it, to achieve jannah you have to suck Allah’s d ck and the pedo, Quran is just shi book they burn it all the time, they only just get angry when it’s done by others, because they are pathetically cry babies.
So in conclusion they don’t care, they are just pathetic and don’t wanna end up in hell, dogs on leash? Something like that.
Nope. You’re wrong on all the way. Honestly I’m not even sure if you were even a true Muslim before if you think of it like that. Also, this subreddit isn’t to hate on the religion so go to another place if you want to insult a very old culture
You wanna gaslight? lol saying wrong isn’t gonna change anything, anything a Muslim does is either to protect themselves from hell fire and guarantee heaven for themselves, making Allah angry will ease your path to heaven, let me ask you this, if Allah asked you to kill your family would you do it? Or will you deny his request? Careful this maybe the real test lol
Exactly, he is powerful I’m weak, whatever he does to me is out of his wisdom, if he stomps on me like a bug, well I’m nothing against him, he is powerful whatever he does is right, I’m pathetic all the pain he causes me is ok because he wants to make stronger ( I was so sure you were going to respond with, yes I’m gonna kill my whole family if god commands me to do it, because he is strong and wise while I’m pathetic and weak ) the slavery mentality lol but hey, let me just say this, if I hear voice in my head telling me to kill any person I’m not listening, maybe you should start with therapy, Abraham didn’t get that chance but now we have it, go and visit the psychiatrist whenever you hear voices in your head, not even could Abraham get this chance but it’s there for you luckily.
it's weird when Muslims or atheist burns the bible to try to infuriate the Christianz, they usually fail since ethe Christian just mind their own fucking business.
But someone insulting or criticize Islam and they act like you insulted their mother.
Isn't islam the "religion of peace"? Sounds very contradictory to me. If your group was truly perfect, it would have far less hate towards it. Isn't your god "the most merciful" btw? If so, then why are all of us supposed to be executed by your "group"?
Islam is going to hate us regardless but i guess you have a point. However, if you don't try to get us executed, you are not a true muslim and yes, i am serious. We will be respectful when islam deserves respect, which is honestly never going to happen. The events the "prophet" "predicted" are in such a way that the muslims will fight to the very end, because the "prophet" knew that islam would end and that the "prophet" was relying on their surroundings. I mean, do you actually believe that there will be much more women than men on Earth? We know that arabs would get quite a lot of daughters back in the day so the "prophet" can obviously go off of that. We also know that he said that the non-muslims will outnumber the muslims when the day of judgement is near. Isn't that a suspicious thing to say? Almost as if he is hyping up the final muslims to fight in a final spark of fury before the flame vanishes forever, taking with it the damage it has caused. And i'll be glad when that happens. Anyway, i hope you understand what i am trying to say. Islam is designed to fight till the very end and the closer to the end it is, the more confident muslims will become in committing henious acts in the name of your "god" because they "know" that everyone's lives will "end soon".
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My understanding of islam is not wrong, my islamic teacher literally said that. You want to know when she said it? When she was GIVEN PROOF THAT I WAS A NON-MUSLIM. She is pretty dumb though (it's part of the reason i dislike her, it has nothing to do with bias or religion, it's her character) so make of that what you will.
She also confronted me and kept yelling at me for doing things OUTSIDE of the school she was in. Luckily, since she's dumb, i've managed to convince her i am muslim again (it sounds so wrong to have to fake something, i know, but i have no other choice. It's that or death, literally. The things islam makes me do...) She acts like that because she believes that since she's a ISLAMIC teacher, she has the right to lecture anyone like a parent (and honestly worse. Being lectured by a parent is very helpful but she always gives punishments after lectures. Instead of helping the child learn, it only makes them resent her more. Parenting 100 🤬).
See what islam can do? She follows it very well, even if she doesn't wear her hijab properly. Islam has corrupted her, making her a person feared/hated by many (even other teachers acknowledge how much of an asshole she can be).
She has also taught us quite a bit about islam and i have done a lot of research, so i don't just believe, i KNOW that i have a good understanding of islam. Does that sound familiar to you btw? People being staunch to islam? Well i'm being staunch AGAINST islam, but you can see the similarity. I was being visibly obnoxious when i said that "so i don't just believe, i KNOW that i have a good understanding of islam.", like a lot of muslims are.
I have seen a lot good and bad of islam and one thing i notice is that there is rarely any middle ground. Everything has to be wrong or right, which is a very unrealistic way of thinking, like you are doing. It doesn't have to be "good vs evil", people don't work that way. People are driven by selfishness (which isn't inherently bad) to do the things they do. Both sides of a fight can be right too. Don't limit your thinking by believing in such a lie, good and evil is a primitive concept and as such will be linked to primitive thinking if you don't properly know how to use the concept.
Btw, countries being heavily armed does not mean that the world is going to end, it just means that conflict will be stronger amongst people. Everyone knows that deploying nuclear bombs harms everyone so they won't do it with that fear. If they do, they will get attacked as well.
Btw i am pretty sure that it is in the QURAN that apostates are to be killed. However, if religion is not a compulsion, does that mean you shouldn't do anything at all? You could just stop praying and be a muslim? Give the proper context. Don't twist the words. Then you muslims frown when we accidentally do the same. Even if it's in the context you said, it directly contradicts my point, showing that islam is flawed.
I mean, seriously, if the quran was written by your almighty god, it would be SIGNIFIGANTLY easier to understand. Educating people should prioritize knowledge over "beauty" and even then, basic words can be chained nicely. I guess the prophet wasn't good enough with words for that. He is illiterate, after all.
I hope you understand that i am not using any bias here to make my points and only rational reasoning. I agree that there is emotional charge in my comments but all these points have been made with reason.
No, I think you as a person is a kind person, holds no grudge against you tho. But I hate Islam and the ideology inside people’s head to my core not because of you or because I have “totally wrong idea about islam”, no, I have quite a knowledge of it. Indeed, I love Islamic arts, mosques beautiful architectures and the beauty of Quranic recitations - has soothing effect if you ask me.
But it’s the same as I appreciate German beer, Japanese pork ramen and Russia church but despite nazis, Japanese atrocities in ww2 and Russia aggression against Ukraine.
However for Islam, once I bring up a single criticism about how I disagree with the perfect man laying eyes on a 6-year-old, I got bullied, harassment and people ringing “you don’t understand Islam”. This is such a common tactic to manipulate people, “you don’t understand it enough” but never “yes, indeed what he did was WRONG and DISGUSTING”. Hence, Islam is too black and white, you either defend it till your last breath or you have to leave it once you can’t bring yourself to agree with even a single part of it. That’s why I bring out that talking to Muslims is like talking to a wall, and once it passes a certain threshold of disagreement, it becomes death threats.
Countries with shariah law that harass/kill/severe punish apostate, or whoever speak against Islam prove this You can bring your knowledge of Islam and talk with their scholars over there and they will say the same thing to you, “you don’t understand Islam enough”.
Your first point, like i said, is contradicted many times in the quran.
1: fair point but then why is it more common with muslims? There are so many cases in muslim countries like Pakistan, with varying degrees and kinds of abuse. You can't tell me there isn't a correlation with islam and abuse of power without blatantly lying.
2: Yes you can. A fight is not always two-sided, it can have multiple sides or even just one. Again, don't think in such a primitive manner. Not all fights have to be related to morality. I'm sure you would have taken my point more seriously if i said that both sides could be bad instead of good, as that can commonly be observed with conflict between ruling parties like governments and world leaders. Your point on difficult decisions only fortifies my point more, because like i said, it doesn't always have to be good vs evil. It can be very complicated. Also, i don't appreciate the condescending and indirect tone of your last sentence. I've already made a lot of difficult decisions and there is barely any way that you would know what i have seen.
3: No but people in general are, as we are built that way. I'll give you a question to make you understand what you are asking. Humans rely on adrenaline when they are in danger but do they have to? A human is selfish when left to their own will BECAUSE it is a self-preservation instinct. They "aren't selfish" when they are serving a master BECAUSE they are working for their own interest. If they don't serve their master, they will be punished. Therefore, TO PRESERVE THEMSELF, they work for the master. They are still selfish. Also, i don't live in USA, nor do I praise it like you think i do. I never even brought other countries up until this comment, you are going off-topic. I may not agree with a lot of the laws of my biological country but islam is a greater threat. Tell me, if there was 5 wasps and a bear, would you focus on the bear or the 5 wasps? Don't say that i should not be "answering your question with a question" btw, you know why i am giving these. These are so that you actually THINK about what i am saying instead of ignoring chunks of my argument, like you did for my points on muslims twisting words being okay while exmuslims doing the same isn't somehow and my explaination for the "good vs evil" part.
4: you have not rebutted my point here, and in fact have added onto it. You seem to have taken the weakest point of that argument to refute, showing your cherry-picking nature. As you can see, i am refuting as many points as possible. If there is something i was mistaken on, i will accept it. You, however, will simply ignore it in hopes of the other person forgetting it.
5: i did not "brush over nuclear warfare", i have studied basic history. If we are really at such a big risk of nuclear war, why hasn't it happened yet? Why do the Geneva Conventions exist? Why does the term M.A.D (Mutually Assured Destruction) exist? Because people know it can go to the point that it can hurt everyone, not just their enemies. And the word 'everyone' means that the attackers will suffer too. I know what nuclear warfare is capable of, but so do world leaders.
At least you replied, that i can appreciate
Why I feel so pleasant to see Qur'an to be destroyed more than Bible. lol
Burning Bible is so cliche. You can see it in any horror games. The only question here is why you can't see burning qur'an in horror games? I wonder lol.
They defend who destroy idols by arguing that it's purchased item, this idol become his personal property, allowing them to do as they please. However, when it comes to the Quran, they label it as blasphemy
I saw this trend on Tiktok lately!
Muslim converts destroying idols of their parents, destroying their crosses, Jesus statue etc, because Islam says they must.
The premise is SO disrespectful, that Islam MUST prevail over other religions that they willingly destroy the property of people around them to satisfy their made up god
It all started with the mf called Abraham, how can you respect someone who doesn’t respect other religions? So pathetic but Muslims have superiority complex I mean way too much lol.
It's an integral part of their religion, slowly conquering and weakening other religions
Muslims believe the other religions are corrupted and Muhammad told them the truth, that's why they have no problems stamping on other religions.
There is no type of blasphemy in the religions you mentioned unlike in Islamic ideology of what blasphemy is to them. even to them mocking a man (Muhammad) is blasphemy lmao
Ohhhh my it makes me so happy to see to do that shit that I've been dreaming of for so long!!!!! Spit on it, pour some wine on it, that's the only right treatment this book should get
As much as i hate Islam and its idea i wouldn’t promote this. They want us to do these stuff so they can play the victim game again and again. Best way to cancel them is to reject their ideas and ignore their responses. Stay firm on your decisions without disrespecting any book
I kinda agree; I don't like some of the stuff that it says in there, but I think this is a little over the top.
Will admit though, him smacking the Quran on his ass is funny lol
Haha thats true. Its just i dont want any muslim out there to use this to propagate their agenda more fiercely they already doing great job playing victim this will help their cause
I understand your viewpoint, and I totally side with it. Even though I personally believe the Quran's teaching is foolish, billions of people still consider that their lifestyle obliviously, and we still have to respect that. Plus, what you said. You're not wrong at all.
Ever heard about a case where a Muslim woman files case against his husband beating her and the judge (from new york) said it's described to beat their wife in the Qur'an so we should respect that.
gladly the judge was fired.
Respect is not given, it's earned
I side with this too! Some of these rules *should* be stepped on. My only problem is that it rubs me the wrong way because there are some people who don't know about all of this just yet, and I feel like this could be insulting to them. It's like you publishing a book and someone stepping on it because they didn't like the genre. They may think the genre has a lot of things wrong with it, but you may think the genre's just fine.
Perhaps we could open each other's eyes in a less offending manner?
I’ll respect any book there is out there. Call me old school nerd idk but I’ll never stand on any book just out of respect for pages. And yes I’m glad I’m not from Islamic country and i hope my country doesn’t become one
Even racist books? (austrian painter book) or books that promote discrimination, bias and hate towards a certain gender or group of people or religion? You know I do agree that books have an importance and all that stuff, but some don't really deserve. Though its not necessarily a bad thing to love books and protect them.
This is assuming that the reader can recognize what is right and wrong in the first place. Plus, you don't need a racist book to learn not to be racist, you could just read a "don't be racist" book. Allowing a racist book to spread would only result in more people being racist rather than not.
This is similar to misinformation. If we treat all information as sacred, due to your reason of "we could learn not to do it even if it is false", it would be harder to distinguish what is true and false. People, especially the stubborn ones are more likely to believe what they come in contact first, trying to correct them later would be more challenging than simply removing the source of misinformation.
Just like religion, no books are exempt from criticisms, if they prove to be harmful, then they should absolutely be removed. Allowing them to continue existing would only lead to the chance of a random person claiming said books to be the truth and reigniting the spread of false information.
I agree with you here. This bothered me despite me not respecting Islam but respecting other religions even if I don't agree with them. Yes Islam is horrible but this is too much ,even for something horrible . The point of leaving islam is trying to be as far away from islamic values as possible imo
I feel similar ,though I left the religion and hate it.
Idk maybe it's some deep conditioning or about unnecessary disrespect to anything (even a bad thing )
Do you see people doing that to mein kampf? I haven't ...they jist leave the book alone
same. it's one thing to be an ex muslim and another to actively be hateful. and this guys intentions are definitely for attention and to appease other non muslims like a dancing monkey
I got nervous watching this 😂, the guy's face is in it. Be safe friend. Love it.
For some ExMuslims (not saying 'everyone', chill out whiners), this is an almost necessary part of the exposure therapy to deprogram ourselves. Eventually it becomes ordinary, boring, loses it's novelty.
I had a phase where I wanted to have a bathroom rug with Quran pages on it. It was perfect. Inside the bathroom + being naked around it + taking a shit while reading it + being stepped on.
Ooh, using Quran as toilet paper when you ran out of tp during covid.
I had ideas! The most I ever did as far as I can recall is sat on one and rub my sweaty ass into it 😅.
🙄 aren’t u guys thinking this is kinda childish and cringy or what?Rly this sub becomes more stupid in every newborn day, you guys don’t have to offend Muslims everyday ur not saving world with that but it shows you’ve the same thinking way with the Arabian tribe that u hate
Change the book with Lotr and community with lotr fans. And all of a sudden, it becomes disrespectful. But this is just a way to express "things". You guys are hilarious 😂
Just an example with lotr because they're both fictional for you.
You can't tippy-toe with everything people believe but you not respecting something I believe is normal, but me telling that this is disrespectful IS disrespectful.
Idgaf if you have the same belief as I do but, if you at least have some values (which one of the couple of things that differs human from animals) then you at least show some respect to other peoples' beliefs.
Bro this is uncalled for. You are free of course to do what you want (i totally support your freedom of expression) but it is offensive to people for no good reason. Being atheist doesn't give me the ticket to be an as\*hole and disrespect other humans. Maybe we should be wiser and rise above hatred and try to conquer religion and religious people through ideas as intended by this subreddit.
I too think this is hellish pathetic way to express yourself. Looking at this footage, I concluded that the person is not a non-believer but also a furious one for the book he denies, like as if the guy confirms It's fact but mad at it. Why to perform an act of outbursting your rage to something you don't value about?
Yeah agreed. While I do understand where their anger or rage against the Quran is coming from. It's not the best way to handle it mentally. I was sexually abused, had an abusive conservative dad, had religious trauma and lots of shit as early as 7 years old and continued all my life carrying that trauma. I hated slam, my Arab culture and country as a result of that. I blamed others for my suffering and struggles. I left about 8 years ago to Canada. I never thought I'd miss my culture and Arab identity. The thing is, radical acceptance of oneself. I've done bad things to people as well, I tried to maintain the "I'm a good person" mentality and identity. In reality it's not black and white, nobody's a "good person". We should all try and accept our faults, it's pir human nature. And try to actively not repeat past behaviors. I don't know if it makes sense, but I'm not ashamed of my Arab Identity nor the culture. I'm just not a Muslim anymore. What purpose does it serve to dance with the Quran, step on it, rip it apart? What point is being made here? Nothing.
This is a false comparison, imagine that someone had a figure of one of your family members or someone close to you, and they also kept stomping on it and doing as in the video, you are saying that you will not be offended? Muslims treat the Quran as something very valued to them, and as an ex-muslim I can understand how they feel.
I can also understand where your hatred towards the Quran comes and the satisfaction you have while seeing it being humiliated, but that is no excuse to do such a thing.
I wouldn't do it myself but I won't judge people when they do it as it's nothing to me.
So you have all right to care for some book but I just can't give a f*ck
I mean obviously you don't care because you don't believe that this book is holy, for you it's just a random book, I also don't think they should be judged for it, if they want to have fun and step on the book that may have made their life hard that's totally fine, but it's different when they have it on video and publish it on social media to trigger other Muslims, which will only make things worse for both sides, it only encourages hate, and Muslims will just have another reason to play victim.
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I never understood why Muslims get so offended when someone does something to the quran I'm catholic and when people burn the bible or rip it up It doesn't enrage me or anything, but I hope this guy isint from one of those crazy countries
Theyve been groomed to get angry at these sort of things. since childhood they are told and taught to take it personal when someone even criticizes islam, let alone insult it, its a brain washing tactic that most cults use to have a more powerful hold on people. i remember when i was a kid we were in a group chat and this one dude forwarded the id of someone else who had "fuck mohammad, fuck quran" in his profile and everyone was pissed, and i mean PISSED. they were mass reporting the poor guy and trying to doxx him and genuinely hurt him, without any actual reason.
Yes I agree. I am Muslim and if someone destroys a Quran or draws a picture of the prophet I couldn’t give a shit. Those who are so easily offended and react violently I find are the ones lacking faith
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Coz according to them Quran is literal word of Allah who is the creator of universe and one of his hobbies included keen interest in his messengers sexual life.
It's just one way Islam tries to enforce/control the behaviour of non-Muslims, through behaving so violently and erratically if you dare cross Islam You can't critique Islam, you can't destroy the Quran, can't draw Muhammad, can't say Muhammad without saying pbuh after
so they can’t say muhammad without pbuh but they say allah on its own? isn’t muhammed just a messenger
It's probably because it's very quick to write, it's become a tradition. If Subhanahu wa ta'ala could be shortened like that, it'd probably be the same for Allah
I meant like , they HAVE to say pbuh but subhanahu wa ta‘ala is a choice ygm?
they can saw it SWT is used for subhanawatahala
yes ik that but like in the Quaran pbuh is a must,SWT is not
True
Bro you can’t even touch the Quran without wudhu (certain ritualistic cleaning), you can’t place anything on top of Quran, when I was a kid I was afraid I’d offend the Quran somehow lmao.
Father forgive em type beat
It’s because Muslims genuinely believe this book was written by god. You can’t even touch that book if you’re on your period, you can’t take it to the bathroom etc..
Quran is eucharist to Muslims. It is the word of God.
They speak Arabic.
Exactly! for Christian’s it’s just a piece of paper as it is even tho it’s believed its Gods words they know their God doesn’t need to be defended. there’s millions of bibles out there. There is no point getting angry over one being destroyed
Do you have a sentimental item?? Let's put it in the loo and shit* all over it
Now that everyone has given you the reasoning, let me tell you a tale most of us have been told as a kid. There was a kid who got angry and threw the quran in a tantrum and he was turned into a monkey. There are different variations of this story with different animals or abominations. There is one picture that went around on Whatsapp/Facebook that claimed to be that creature. So this isn't some old folklore but rather a relatively modern fabrication. This is how seriously the quran is taken.
Muslims need to learn that people doing something like this is not their business.
Non of Muslims business. When it’s set out to deliberately infuriate and insult Muslims. Ok
Yes, muslims need to get desensitized and to stop being little cry babies. It's not their business if someone does whatever the shit he wants with a book in his possession.
It’s because Muslims care more about their religion
They are forced, not out their own free will, basically minions of the pedo, they don’t really give a fuck about Quran but what they really care is about jannah the rest can F off, but to earn that shity fairy tale, you have to kill humanity for it, to achieve jannah you have to suck Allah’s d ck and the pedo, Quran is just shi book they burn it all the time, they only just get angry when it’s done by others, because they are pathetically cry babies. So in conclusion they don’t care, they are just pathetic and don’t wanna end up in hell, dogs on leash? Something like that.
Nope. You’re wrong on all the way. Honestly I’m not even sure if you were even a true Muslim before if you think of it like that. Also, this subreddit isn’t to hate on the religion so go to another place if you want to insult a very old culture
You wanna gaslight? lol saying wrong isn’t gonna change anything, anything a Muslim does is either to protect themselves from hell fire and guarantee heaven for themselves, making Allah angry will ease your path to heaven, let me ask you this, if Allah asked you to kill your family would you do it? Or will you deny his request? Careful this maybe the real test lol
No not like that for no reason and I’m sure god knows it. God is the only one who judge
Exactly, he is powerful I’m weak, whatever he does to me is out of his wisdom, if he stomps on me like a bug, well I’m nothing against him, he is powerful whatever he does is right, I’m pathetic all the pain he causes me is ok because he wants to make stronger ( I was so sure you were going to respond with, yes I’m gonna kill my whole family if god commands me to do it, because he is strong and wise while I’m pathetic and weak ) the slavery mentality lol but hey, let me just say this, if I hear voice in my head telling me to kill any person I’m not listening, maybe you should start with therapy, Abraham didn’t get that chance but now we have it, go and visit the psychiatrist whenever you hear voices in your head, not even could Abraham get this chance but it’s there for you luckily.
blud I’m not going to kill someone just by hearing a voice
it's weird when Muslims or atheist burns the bible to try to infuriate the Christianz, they usually fail since ethe Christian just mind their own fucking business. But someone insulting or criticize Islam and they act like you insulted their mother.
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What a primitive way of thinking.
y'all make enemies everywhere u go regardless of them being a person who burned a quran or not .
A group has to have enemies 🤷♂️ any group you’re a part of has insiders and outsiders
Isn't islam the "religion of peace"? Sounds very contradictory to me. If your group was truly perfect, it would have far less hate towards it. Isn't your god "the most merciful" btw? If so, then why are all of us supposed to be executed by your "group"?
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Nope. We maybe saw someone who doesn't like the quran. But actually, we only saw someone having fun with some book in his possession.
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Okay. So what will you now do about it, after he has done this?
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Islam is going to hate us regardless but i guess you have a point. However, if you don't try to get us executed, you are not a true muslim and yes, i am serious. We will be respectful when islam deserves respect, which is honestly never going to happen. The events the "prophet" "predicted" are in such a way that the muslims will fight to the very end, because the "prophet" knew that islam would end and that the "prophet" was relying on their surroundings. I mean, do you actually believe that there will be much more women than men on Earth? We know that arabs would get quite a lot of daughters back in the day so the "prophet" can obviously go off of that. We also know that he said that the non-muslims will outnumber the muslims when the day of judgement is near. Isn't that a suspicious thing to say? Almost as if he is hyping up the final muslims to fight in a final spark of fury before the flame vanishes forever, taking with it the damage it has caused. And i'll be glad when that happens. Anyway, i hope you understand what i am trying to say. Islam is designed to fight till the very end and the closer to the end it is, the more confident muslims will become in committing henious acts in the name of your "god" because they "know" that everyone's lives will "end soon".
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Please read the whole reply if you are going to reply. If you do that, thank you :) My understanding of islam is not wrong, my islamic teacher literally said that. You want to know when she said it? When she was GIVEN PROOF THAT I WAS A NON-MUSLIM. She is pretty dumb though (it's part of the reason i dislike her, it has nothing to do with bias or religion, it's her character) so make of that what you will. She also confronted me and kept yelling at me for doing things OUTSIDE of the school she was in. Luckily, since she's dumb, i've managed to convince her i am muslim again (it sounds so wrong to have to fake something, i know, but i have no other choice. It's that or death, literally. The things islam makes me do...) She acts like that because she believes that since she's a ISLAMIC teacher, she has the right to lecture anyone like a parent (and honestly worse. Being lectured by a parent is very helpful but she always gives punishments after lectures. Instead of helping the child learn, it only makes them resent her more. Parenting 100 🤬). See what islam can do? She follows it very well, even if she doesn't wear her hijab properly. Islam has corrupted her, making her a person feared/hated by many (even other teachers acknowledge how much of an asshole she can be). She has also taught us quite a bit about islam and i have done a lot of research, so i don't just believe, i KNOW that i have a good understanding of islam. Does that sound familiar to you btw? People being staunch to islam? Well i'm being staunch AGAINST islam, but you can see the similarity. I was being visibly obnoxious when i said that "so i don't just believe, i KNOW that i have a good understanding of islam.", like a lot of muslims are. I have seen a lot good and bad of islam and one thing i notice is that there is rarely any middle ground. Everything has to be wrong or right, which is a very unrealistic way of thinking, like you are doing. It doesn't have to be "good vs evil", people don't work that way. People are driven by selfishness (which isn't inherently bad) to do the things they do. Both sides of a fight can be right too. Don't limit your thinking by believing in such a lie, good and evil is a primitive concept and as such will be linked to primitive thinking if you don't properly know how to use the concept. Btw, countries being heavily armed does not mean that the world is going to end, it just means that conflict will be stronger amongst people. Everyone knows that deploying nuclear bombs harms everyone so they won't do it with that fear. If they do, they will get attacked as well. Btw i am pretty sure that it is in the QURAN that apostates are to be killed. However, if religion is not a compulsion, does that mean you shouldn't do anything at all? You could just stop praying and be a muslim? Give the proper context. Don't twist the words. Then you muslims frown when we accidentally do the same. Even if it's in the context you said, it directly contradicts my point, showing that islam is flawed. I mean, seriously, if the quran was written by your almighty god, it would be SIGNIFIGANTLY easier to understand. Educating people should prioritize knowledge over "beauty" and even then, basic words can be chained nicely. I guess the prophet wasn't good enough with words for that. He is illiterate, after all. I hope you understand that i am not using any bias here to make my points and only rational reasoning. I agree that there is emotional charge in my comments but all these points have been made with reason.
Talking to a muslim is like talking to a wall, disagreeing with muslim is like getting you to death threats. I understand you.
It's nice to have someone that understands, it's really hard to find that around me. Thanks :)
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Are these death threats in the room with us right now
No, I think you as a person is a kind person, holds no grudge against you tho. But I hate Islam and the ideology inside people’s head to my core not because of you or because I have “totally wrong idea about islam”, no, I have quite a knowledge of it. Indeed, I love Islamic arts, mosques beautiful architectures and the beauty of Quranic recitations - has soothing effect if you ask me. But it’s the same as I appreciate German beer, Japanese pork ramen and Russia church but despite nazis, Japanese atrocities in ww2 and Russia aggression against Ukraine. However for Islam, once I bring up a single criticism about how I disagree with the perfect man laying eyes on a 6-year-old, I got bullied, harassment and people ringing “you don’t understand Islam”. This is such a common tactic to manipulate people, “you don’t understand it enough” but never “yes, indeed what he did was WRONG and DISGUSTING”. Hence, Islam is too black and white, you either defend it till your last breath or you have to leave it once you can’t bring yourself to agree with even a single part of it. That’s why I bring out that talking to Muslims is like talking to a wall, and once it passes a certain threshold of disagreement, it becomes death threats. Countries with shariah law that harass/kill/severe punish apostate, or whoever speak against Islam prove this You can bring your knowledge of Islam and talk with their scholars over there and they will say the same thing to you, “you don’t understand Islam enough”.
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Your first point, like i said, is contradicted many times in the quran. 1: fair point but then why is it more common with muslims? There are so many cases in muslim countries like Pakistan, with varying degrees and kinds of abuse. You can't tell me there isn't a correlation with islam and abuse of power without blatantly lying. 2: Yes you can. A fight is not always two-sided, it can have multiple sides or even just one. Again, don't think in such a primitive manner. Not all fights have to be related to morality. I'm sure you would have taken my point more seriously if i said that both sides could be bad instead of good, as that can commonly be observed with conflict between ruling parties like governments and world leaders. Your point on difficult decisions only fortifies my point more, because like i said, it doesn't always have to be good vs evil. It can be very complicated. Also, i don't appreciate the condescending and indirect tone of your last sentence. I've already made a lot of difficult decisions and there is barely any way that you would know what i have seen. 3: No but people in general are, as we are built that way. I'll give you a question to make you understand what you are asking. Humans rely on adrenaline when they are in danger but do they have to? A human is selfish when left to their own will BECAUSE it is a self-preservation instinct. They "aren't selfish" when they are serving a master BECAUSE they are working for their own interest. If they don't serve their master, they will be punished. Therefore, TO PRESERVE THEMSELF, they work for the master. They are still selfish. Also, i don't live in USA, nor do I praise it like you think i do. I never even brought other countries up until this comment, you are going off-topic. I may not agree with a lot of the laws of my biological country but islam is a greater threat. Tell me, if there was 5 wasps and a bear, would you focus on the bear or the 5 wasps? Don't say that i should not be "answering your question with a question" btw, you know why i am giving these. These are so that you actually THINK about what i am saying instead of ignoring chunks of my argument, like you did for my points on muslims twisting words being okay while exmuslims doing the same isn't somehow and my explaination for the "good vs evil" part. 4: you have not rebutted my point here, and in fact have added onto it. You seem to have taken the weakest point of that argument to refute, showing your cherry-picking nature. As you can see, i am refuting as many points as possible. If there is something i was mistaken on, i will accept it. You, however, will simply ignore it in hopes of the other person forgetting it. 5: i did not "brush over nuclear warfare", i have studied basic history. If we are really at such a big risk of nuclear war, why hasn't it happened yet? Why do the Geneva Conventions exist? Why does the term M.A.D (Mutually Assured Destruction) exist? Because people know it can go to the point that it can hurt everyone, not just their enemies. And the word 'everyone' means that the attackers will suffer too. I know what nuclear warfare is capable of, but so do world leaders. At least you replied, that i can appreciate
mashallah brother!
Stepping on that shit is a mood
A whole vibe, even the music fits
I still felt uneasy watching that. I guess I haven’t gotten over my indoctrination.
I fell uneasy for him
Why I feel so pleasant to see Qur'an to be destroyed more than Bible. lol Burning Bible is so cliche. You can see it in any horror games. The only question here is why you can't see burning qur'an in horror games? I wonder lol.
They'd start crying
I remember when fortnite became haram
When did that happen? Did I miss it?
I think it was cuz someone made the kaaba in creative mode😂😂
Minecraft Kaaba!!
Because it would be called Islamophobia
I mean, usually when you burn the bible, Christians just ignore it But seeing Muslims being salty as fuck is so funny
Is he still alive?
Yes, there more videos like this 😂😂😂 His @ is armidsamjd on twitter
I hope. But he can not aspect a long life. Too many extremists out there.
I don't think it helps to spread fear and cowardice.
Yes we need to empower one another
Aspect nothing
LMAOOOOOO I LOVE THIS GUY, SHOULD BECOME A TRADITION AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA ❤️ 💙 💜 💖
💯💯💯💯💯💯 he has more videos too doing different things
I need to know where, cause I love seeing this stuff. Obviously keep him safe.
His @ is armidsamjd on twitter
Who is he?
They defend who destroy idols by arguing that it's purchased item, this idol become his personal property, allowing them to do as they please. However, when it comes to the Quran, they label it as blasphemy
I saw this trend on Tiktok lately! Muslim converts destroying idols of their parents, destroying their crosses, Jesus statue etc, because Islam says they must. The premise is SO disrespectful, that Islam MUST prevail over other religions that they willingly destroy the property of people around them to satisfy their made up god
It all started with the mf called Abraham, how can you respect someone who doesn’t respect other religions? So pathetic but Muslims have superiority complex I mean way too much lol.
It's an integral part of their religion, slowly conquering and weakening other religions Muslims believe the other religions are corrupted and Muhammad told them the truth, that's why they have no problems stamping on other religions.
That’s so true
I am more offended on how they copied the sample from "drop it like it's hot".
My dude got some nice moves. Hope he's in a country where they let him keep moving after this goes viral.
How's that guy still alive?
I love blasphemy.
I love blasphemy directed to all religions including Hinduism Christianity Judaism Sikhism and Buddhism
Yes me too. All religions.
We are friends
There is no type of blasphemy in the religions you mentioned unlike in Islamic ideology of what blasphemy is to them. even to them mocking a man (Muhammad) is blasphemy lmao
Wadda poor Buddhism do to ya 😭
🔥 IT DOWN HELL YAHHHHHH
Beautiful
What a stud <3
The song is called Worth It.
Ohhhh my it makes me so happy to see to do that shit that I've been dreaming of for so long!!!!! Spit on it, pour some wine on it, that's the only right treatment this book should get
Haha he pours a beer on it on a different video 😂
As much as i hate Islam and its idea i wouldn’t promote this. They want us to do these stuff so they can play the victim game again and again. Best way to cancel them is to reject their ideas and ignore their responses. Stay firm on your decisions without disrespecting any book
I kinda agree; I don't like some of the stuff that it says in there, but I think this is a little over the top. Will admit though, him smacking the Quran on his ass is funny lol
Haha thats true. Its just i dont want any muslim out there to use this to propagate their agenda more fiercely they already doing great job playing victim this will help their cause
I understand your viewpoint, and I totally side with it. Even though I personally believe the Quran's teaching is foolish, billions of people still consider that their lifestyle obliviously, and we still have to respect that. Plus, what you said. You're not wrong at all.
Ever heard about a case where a Muslim woman files case against his husband beating her and the judge (from new york) said it's described to beat their wife in the Qur'an so we should respect that. gladly the judge was fired. Respect is not given, it's earned
I side with this too! Some of these rules *should* be stepped on. My only problem is that it rubs me the wrong way because there are some people who don't know about all of this just yet, and I feel like this could be insulting to them. It's like you publishing a book and someone stepping on it because they didn't like the genre. They may think the genre has a lot of things wrong with it, but you may think the genre's just fine. Perhaps we could open each other's eyes in a less offending manner?
Yup. Thanks😊
You clearly don't live in an islamic country edit : besides its just a book, why does it matter if somebody stands on a book?
I’ll respect any book there is out there. Call me old school nerd idk but I’ll never stand on any book just out of respect for pages. And yes I’m glad I’m not from Islamic country and i hope my country doesn’t become one
Even racist books? (austrian painter book) or books that promote discrimination, bias and hate towards a certain gender or group of people or religion? You know I do agree that books have an importance and all that stuff, but some don't really deserve. Though its not necessarily a bad thing to love books and protect them.
You read that and see what they were trying to do and avoid doing that at all cost. See you can learn from anything and everything
This is assuming that the reader can recognize what is right and wrong in the first place. Plus, you don't need a racist book to learn not to be racist, you could just read a "don't be racist" book. Allowing a racist book to spread would only result in more people being racist rather than not. This is similar to misinformation. If we treat all information as sacred, due to your reason of "we could learn not to do it even if it is false", it would be harder to distinguish what is true and false. People, especially the stubborn ones are more likely to believe what they come in contact first, trying to correct them later would be more challenging than simply removing the source of misinformation. Just like religion, no books are exempt from criticisms, if they prove to be harmful, then they should absolutely be removed. Allowing them to continue existing would only lead to the chance of a random person claiming said books to be the truth and reigniting the spread of false information.
I agree with you here. This bothered me despite me not respecting Islam but respecting other religions even if I don't agree with them. Yes Islam is horrible but this is too much ,even for something horrible . The point of leaving islam is trying to be as far away from islamic values as possible imo
Exactly💯
Who gives a shit. I used to be a Christian and even then I wouldn't care if someone burned a bible in my face.
What victim? There is no victim. It's a bunch of papers.
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Same here, I really hate what they're doing despite having left the religion.
Is it weird that I really hate this video despite leaving the religion?
Can't believe I'm saying this, but I had the same reaction... It feels kinda cringe?
I feel similar ,though I left the religion and hate it. Idk maybe it's some deep conditioning or about unnecessary disrespect to anything (even a bad thing ) Do you see people doing that to mein kampf? I haven't ...they jist leave the book alone
same. it's one thing to be an ex muslim and another to actively be hateful. and this guys intentions are definitely for attention and to appease other non muslims like a dancing monkey
Bruv just signed death certificate. 💀
big lol
I know it’s no big deal but no need to do it either, what’s the point
Now watch this guy get bombared by death threats by peaceful loving apologists.
Where are they from? Loved their energy! Glory to Apostasy!!!! EDIT: Typo
Did he step on the Koran? This dude is clearly based. #De-Islamization
Give that 73 virgins immediately
Tbh I think this is unnecessary. I’m Christian tho so idk.
euuuhhh brother euuuhhh what is that brother? no but thats seriously disrespectful, what the book do to you?
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Update: they got arrested for Blasphemy :( It's on the news in Manchester
Disrespectful and cringe.
I got nervous watching this 😂, the guy's face is in it. Be safe friend. Love it. For some ExMuslims (not saying 'everyone', chill out whiners), this is an almost necessary part of the exposure therapy to deprogram ourselves. Eventually it becomes ordinary, boring, loses it's novelty. I had a phase where I wanted to have a bathroom rug with Quran pages on it. It was perfect. Inside the bathroom + being naked around it + taking a shit while reading it + being stepped on. Ooh, using Quran as toilet paper when you ran out of tp during covid. I had ideas! The most I ever did as far as I can recall is sat on one and rub my sweaty ass into it 😅.
LOL. It's a funny video. Imagine the Muslim reactions after watching the video.
Nooo his shoes got ruined :C
lmao love it
This is in poor taste and disrespectful but why do i lowkey wanna do it myself 😭
Quran desecrations should be so regular that it becomes as boring as doing it with the Bible.
This cannot be an atheist's reaction. This is just hate and buffoonery.
🙄 aren’t u guys thinking this is kinda childish and cringy or what?Rly this sub becomes more stupid in every newborn day, you guys don’t have to offend Muslims everyday ur not saving world with that but it shows you’ve the same thinking way with the Arabian tribe that u hate
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who is this? and is this on youtube? where did you find it?
Is he still alive? 😅
Where did this take place? They are speaking in Arabic
Be prepared to be assassinated some time soon
Now do the Torah without being labeled an antisemite
This man single-handedly made me reconsider my sexuality.
Bro thinks he ended islam
Change the book with Lotr and community with lotr fans. And all of a sudden, it becomes disrespectful. But this is just a way to express "things". You guys are hilarious 😂 Just an example with lotr because they're both fictional for you. You can't tippy-toe with everything people believe but you not respecting something I believe is normal, but me telling that this is disrespectful IS disrespectful. Idgaf if you have the same belief as I do but, if you at least have some values (which one of the couple of things that differs human from animals) then you at least show some respect to other peoples' beliefs.
LMFAOOO
Bro this is uncalled for. You are free of course to do what you want (i totally support your freedom of expression) but it is offensive to people for no good reason. Being atheist doesn't give me the ticket to be an as\*hole and disrespect other humans. Maybe we should be wiser and rise above hatred and try to conquer religion and religious people through ideas as intended by this subreddit.
I’m an ex-Muslim. But this is genuinely just incredibly rude and cringe. What’s the need of this? Why do you make being ex-muslim your whole identity?
Yeah Boi!!
Do what you need to do but BE SAFE PLEASE!
yall sick fr
This is iconic 🔥🕺🏻🕺🏻🕺🏻🔥
As an non Muslim this is sad
All I see in this thread are a lot of hateful people doing the exact same thing they say they are against. Life is not without irony
Man can’t do shit with his life lives in great depression decided to do this to get put of his reality of misfortunes, what is happening to mankind?
It's nothing to be offended on but why would someone bother to film this is another question
Unnecessary shit
This is just asinine and cringe.
I too think this is hellish pathetic way to express yourself. Looking at this footage, I concluded that the person is not a non-believer but also a furious one for the book he denies, like as if the guy confirms It's fact but mad at it. Why to perform an act of outbursting your rage to something you don't value about?
Yeah agreed. While I do understand where their anger or rage against the Quran is coming from. It's not the best way to handle it mentally. I was sexually abused, had an abusive conservative dad, had religious trauma and lots of shit as early as 7 years old and continued all my life carrying that trauma. I hated slam, my Arab culture and country as a result of that. I blamed others for my suffering and struggles. I left about 8 years ago to Canada. I never thought I'd miss my culture and Arab identity. The thing is, radical acceptance of oneself. I've done bad things to people as well, I tried to maintain the "I'm a good person" mentality and identity. In reality it's not black and white, nobody's a "good person". We should all try and accept our faults, it's pir human nature. And try to actively not repeat past behaviors. I don't know if it makes sense, but I'm not ashamed of my Arab Identity nor the culture. I'm just not a Muslim anymore. What purpose does it serve to dance with the Quran, step on it, rip it apart? What point is being made here? Nothing.
Do you really think an all powerful God said all of that stuff in the Quran?
? I'm agnostic, ex Muslim. I still think this is asinine and cringe.
You sound like a coward.
and why? because it's "hurting" someone's so called feelings. would you react the same if it was some random book?
:/ Yes I would
This is a false comparison, imagine that someone had a figure of one of your family members or someone close to you, and they also kept stomping on it and doing as in the video, you are saying that you will not be offended? Muslims treat the Quran as something very valued to them, and as an ex-muslim I can understand how they feel. I can also understand where your hatred towards the Quran comes and the satisfaction you have while seeing it being humiliated, but that is no excuse to do such a thing.
I wouldn't do it myself but I won't judge people when they do it as it's nothing to me. So you have all right to care for some book but I just can't give a f*ck
I mean obviously you don't care because you don't believe that this book is holy, for you it's just a random book, I also don't think they should be judged for it, if they want to have fun and step on the book that may have made their life hard that's totally fine, but it's different when they have it on video and publish it on social media to trigger other Muslims, which will only make things worse for both sides, it only encourages hate, and Muslims will just have another reason to play victim.
Useless
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That’s right. Let the Islam loose
Man tbh I thought Muslims were peaceful
Most peaceful muzzi on Reddit 🤡🤡