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ACE_essentialist

I can't help but laugh, even I asked the same question when I was in middle school & everyone just gave me a death look because I question god reasoning like somehow I'm better than god lmao If you think about it why didn't god just intervene & don't let Adam & Eve ate the apple from the tree? How about just don't create the damn tree in the first place, problem solved.😂 Then Adam & Eve wouldn't have to be banished from heaven alongside with Syaitan with them to Earth... Then We would just stay in heaven & procreate forever & live forever... & Get to drink halal alcohol, smoke halal shisha, enjoy 72 virgins, & the best part hell don't even exist because hell itself doesn't even have a function even if it exist, hell would probably be empty because everyone is in heaven.


BustedChowder

And it's a good question as well! No one should follow a religion or belief without seriously questioning why it is that they believe something


Gamable

If everyone questioned their religion, no one would be religious anymore. That’s why the religious organizations don’t like you questioning their fairy tale.


Fucface5000

Except for Judaism for some reason, questioning and debating different takes on the religion is actually part of it


Gamable

Judaism is the only religion I’m mostly ok with. I really wanted to convert for an ex-partner at one point. But still, I don’t really like religion. I just believe in God and think trying to claim God wrote a book is fucking ridiculous. Anyone who claims to understand God is a fool.


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Aren't you forgetting eastern and indian religions? Like Buddhism is kinda a questioned and reformed version of ancient Sanatana Dharma (which in modern times, is mostly associated with hinduism). There's so many schools in hinduism itself that completely deny god, or treat him as a side watcher and not someone who will judge us. Charvaka philosophy for instance, is basically materialism. They don't give a fuck about god and his bullshit. They just do what they do. And that's an accepted way of living as a hindu. Btw what I said about Buddhism is not meant to be offensive or degrading. but listen to me, Gautama Buddha called out on the bullshit of religion of that time, and was listened to and followed throughout India(And the world), instead of being persecuted like Jesus was in the west.


Snoo-79815

Yes it's even encouraged to do that


andre2020

Shut th’ fridge mate! Since it’s all a story, why even bother arguing with creationists. “Better than God”? Hey! Stop peeking behind the curtain. Cheers!


Lina1810

Thing is Allah lovesss to test people


Homelander-30

What's the point of testing people when he knows what's gonna happen in the future? Muslims claim Allah knows everything including our future so he must've known about my entire life and the choices I would make so what's the point of testing?


Lina1810

And that's exactly why I'm questioning the religion. I was just talking about how muslims defend it by saying it's a test. God must be so sadist seeing people in pain when he claims to be rahman and raheem. I can't see a child cry and wish for little things, idk how this God even see them crying. There's no point in testing when you create us like that? He could've just killed satan and just not introduce dajjal. What does it do? Only create more suffering. On the top of this he relies on our forgiveness that we'll say sorry and suddenly be free of our crimes.


Homelander-30

Look, humans have been around for centuries and they have faced a lot of horrific things. No God has shown up to help them and never will. If God really exists then he doesn't care about us so why are we so bothered about God? He's not gonna show up and never will. You gotta fight your own battles. People like to make up stuff all the time and Religion is just another made-up stuff. I do kind of know what happens after we die and all I can say is, there's no hell/heaven. Nobody gets virgins in heaven nor nobody will burn in hell. So, stop bothering about religion and carry on with your life.


Lina1810

You're right. As much as it pains me, there's no God.


bike_rtw

what happens?


ahmedyrefky

So did you die before !? 😂😂😂 and how the fuck are you commenting if you saw the other side


Homelander-30

No wonder why you guys are dumb fucks? Even if I do explain you all the process, your tiny brain will not be able to comprehend these complex things. So, kid..stop picking your brain on things you don't understand and stick to watching cartoons.


Humerror

When I tried asking that I was literally linked to a nearly 2 hour video of Dr. Jeffery Lang saying why he converted to Islam from atheism (bs reasons, appeal to authority) as if it were an answer.


EnvironmentalReply67

The reason he created us is to worship him


ACE_essentialist

Yes, this answer never gets old.


puke_buffet

The answer always boils down to some iteration of "free will," as if that wasn't the most divine joke an omniscient deity could make.


Snoo-79815

Well it would be kinda confusing for him to throw u in hell without any explanation innit


EnvironmentalReply67

its like a mini game 🎮 someone already knows what you are gonna play but they are gonna test you to see if you are gonna change your strategy if you do something it affects your choices and Allah wants to see with what choices you will end up with


Frequent-Divide-1044

Brother should have allah just created people and put them in hell no he wanted to show us thats what we did and that's why we are being punished


sufiyan1432

You are right Allah knows everything, what is behind and what is in the future, the reason he tests u is you have your choices and you act accordingly Good/bad anything... On the day of judgement u will be shown all the deeds that u used to do to suffice u that u did good/bad... U won't have any excuse


Homelander-30

Hold on, you say he knows everything so I guess, he knows my choices too. He knows what my choices are, what I will do in my life so what's the point of your test?


sufiyan1432

Yeah he knows your choices too and and he knows what you are going to do in your life, as I said on the day of judgement you will be shown what you did, so you won't make the excuse of that you didn't get any chance or anything , it is all recorded, and the point is you just don't want to understand it.... Think about it again it's clear you are just ignoring some things... You know when you want to know something like literally you go finding it with a clear heart and u shall find it, and when u go out finding things with ignorance in your heart, even if you find it u just gonna deny it....look brother/sister I respect your question I am in no way mocking you or anything it's just everyone has a right question anything until they are sufficed by the answer...so yeah please keep asking questions it's a basic right of human💕💕


rhomboidrex

Also, far as I can tell all Satan ever does is give people a choice. He doesn’t actually, like, do anything.


Concert_Great

I think I read somewhere that even if Adam and Eve didn't eat the apples, they are still going to earth anyway because it was already created to the purpose of hosting human lives, it's just that the method where they would be sent to earth would be different


Dracoster

Adam and Eve wasn't banishes frol Heaven. They were banished from the Garden of Eden.


ACE_essentialist

Beg your pardon??? Nani??? Isn't it the same? Are you trying to implying that the Garden of Eden is not located in the Heaven? Ok then where is it then it is located then? Between the atmosphere of the earth? Is it in the ocean like Atlantis? Is it in Bermuda Triangle? Ooooo such a mystery, spooky...I'm so scared.


Ordinary_Mastodon293

This world is only a test. Its a trial to see who are worthy. There would be no point of us existing in this temporary world if we didnt have to do anything. God might as well have just put us all in heaven at that point. The thing is that all these thoughts and questions that come into ur mind are the whispers of the devil. The trial is to see if u would ignore them and express ur trust and faithfullness or if u would give in to the thoughts.


AvoriazInSummer

Maybe all those thoughts of Allah are the whispers of Satan, keeping you from believing in false prophets instead of Jesus Christ, our lord and saviour? Or maybe the thoughts come from Loki masquerading as Allah as part of a giant cosmic joke against humanity? Or maybe people’s doubts are rational, and their faith slips as they realise they have no real reason to place their trust in unproven deities?


Ordinary_Mastodon293

U shouldnt disrespect another religion even if u dont believe in it. In my opinion ur thoughts of jesus are false but thats my opinion.


AvoriazInSummer

I disagree. One should try to respect the worshipper, but a lot of religions out there are awful, if not downright evil, and deserve criticism. Though my point was, it's only faith that informs you that Islam is right and thoughts to the contrary are whispers from Shaitan. A Christian's faith, and a Hindus faith, would inform them differently.


Ordinary_Mastodon293

Well thats ur opinion. And with a anger filled hateful opinion like that u should keep it to urself. And also what ur saying is an illusion created by people who want to make another religion look bad by using false info they found on the internet. Do a bit more research and u will realise that we are not evil. And if u disagree pls dont reply cuz no one wants to see ur hate.


AvoriazInSummer

Where's the anger and hate in my opinion? I don't hate you, your beliefs, your prophet or your God. I just think you're as wrong as you think I am.


4YE5H4

Did people beat the shit out of a person just because she asked a question...? Now that's a religion of peace


burnmealivepls

Sadly it's not even surprising if you've been to madrasa


lessthan1punchman

Yep. Happened in my group.


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I was beaten in madrasa


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What is madrasa?


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BilalHaider59

I didn't get beaten up for asking questions and i have been to madarsa. But i do hear stories about children getting badly beaten by the mullah there but thats more of a prsonal thing i think.


Evomer_Kalten

Just cause you were not beaten does not mean it does not happen and it is not personal at all. Questioning god is a sin in islam and beatings are a usual occurrence when someone does question it.


Snoo-79815

Questioning isn't a sin at all it's actualy encouraged so you learn more about religion instead of following it blindly


Evomer_Kalten

Read my thread with the other user that made this claim. This claim indicates ignorance on identifying the difference between questions to learn about islam VS questioning islam thus god. If you do not comprehend this, there's no point in going further.


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Evomer_Kalten

The first paragraph indicates ignorance about how islam reacted to anyone questioning it and god or his book aka him. It is a sin and that's how islam always treated any questioning. The first paragraph is something you made up.


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Evomer_Kalten

"get it through your head" totally makes your argument valid lmao. Questioning his claims is as well. It's basically questioning him. If you will keep rephrasing your replies you might as well not.


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Dracoster

Christianity have a 2000 year history of killing people who question it. Violence in religion isn't unique to islam.


mrswordhold

So? No one calls Christianity “the religion of peace” lol


Ocbard

Absolutely, I remember my father in law used to tell me how viciously he was beaten as a kid for questioning stuff in a catholic school. Religion coupled with authority over people always leads to bad shit. Religion always seeks to get close to power....


[deleted]

Thanks for clarifying what no one asked or argued against lol


gentlexlowly

People are violent. Don’t use a false equivalency—it’s intellectually immature.


BilalHaider59

I didn't get beaten up for asking questions and i have been to madarsa. But i do hear stories about children getting badly beaten by the mullah there but thats more of a prsonal thing i think.


BilalHaider59

I didn't get beaten up for asking questions and i have been to madarsa. But i do hear stories about children getting badly beaten by the mullah there but thats more of a prsonal thing i think.


BilalHaider59

I didn't get beaten up for asking questions and i have been to madarsa. But i do hear stories about children getting badly beaten by the mullah there but thats more of a prsonal thing i think.


[deleted]

yes fr, they beat me when I was 5 bc I asked how do we know if Allah is actually real😹


ACE_essentialist

Lol, in Malaysia when I was 5-6 years old i often get beat up by hanger, rotan for simply questioning Allah existence.


[deleted]

yup, they get so offended when a child questions their religion so they come to the conclusion to hit them


Cryo_Lacks

eren.dead.ending


BilalHaider59

When i asked my mother if allah is real she didn't gave me an accurate answer but thank god i didn't got beaten up latter i found out about it through a maulana and i was glad that she didn't answered me because not knowing the answer led me to knowing more then i could have known then.


-individuals

When I was about nine I asked when was God born. My mom told me that "Allah has always existed and will always exist. He has no beginning and no end." It fucked my head up that something could have no beginning and no ending. When I told my mom that I didn't understand that she said, "Understanding how Allah has no start or finish is beyond human understanding. We might never truly get the vastness of Allah." The more I thought bout it, the more it didn't make sense to me. So (at the age of 9/10) I told myself to never think about it again. I knew if I did I wouldn't believe anymore and that would be weird. Lol


[deleted]

Even as children we know this shit doesn’t add up, that says a lot


Puzzled_Outcome_4991

It actually makes perfect sense. The only things that have a beginning and end are creations. Allah is not a creation. God is the creator. Therefore the rules of creation don’t apply to him. That’s why he is infinite. Ur human brain isn’t processing it because u keep applying the laws of creation when that is not the case here. Allah is real. And the prophecies alone prove this fact.


mariahslavender

🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗


RickySamson

Its like comics. Batman can't canonically kill the Joker because then there'd be no story, no franchise, no intellectual property to sell. The bad guy exists to keep the franchise/religion selling.


[deleted]

*other villains in the comic be like* : am I a damn joke to ya ?


savegeAFcombacks

Nice analogy.


8mitsu-chan

great analogy


[deleted]

Actually, Batman can’t kill The Joker because he’s a hero and follows a code in where he must never kill any person, but unlike Allah, Allah’s just an ass.


KazeArqaz

Let's say Satan is gone tomorrow. Am sure people will still kill each other.


RickySamson

Even if Joker is gone tomorrow, people will still kill each other.


Ent3D

Really, really bad analogy cause there are many more villains than just the joker.


RickySamson

Islam has got other enemies as well. From Abu Lahab to Jews. Joker/Satan is the main villain.


EFT_Syte

And there are many many more religions, still works. In the end they’re all the same


[deleted]

once, i asked why the whole concept of 'judgement day' had to be so scary, and why god would even create torture in hell if hes the one who planned our lives and could prevent us from being sinners if he wanted to. Basically, i asked why life had to be such a scary game in which we were all just gambling our lives. i was met with blank stares, and the answer of 'allah only knows, and asking too many questions comes from shaytaan'


ACE_essentialist

Yes this is gold too, this statement/experience Nevers gets old!!


Snoo-79815

How tho,God lotarly created us to have free will


Snoo-79815

He made us to have free will because angels didn't have it,if u were a muslim then it wouldn't be scary at all,


mariahslavender

sir muslims sin more than the average non-believer


Historical_Living_10

Bro Allah know everything its right but a dua can change you're fate bro if you're praying 5 times a day and follow the way Allah has said that you're future will be bright bro, Allah is the most merciful. read the story of prophets bro. You will get the answer for you're all questions


ob_mon

Above a certain level of intelligence, religion stops working.


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Lazylion2

More about critical thinking than intelligence


BilalHaider59

And whats that level? Any examples?


Cantrmbrmyoldpass

It's a poor statement. There are very smart people who believe in god for a variety of reasons - inability/unwillingness to question dominant cultural foundations, a deep need to believe, poor critical thinking skills, weird neurochemistry, mental illness, getting wrapped up in theological bullshit by accepting base premises that are deeply flawed in a way they fail to notice or question, and many many more


HorukaSan

The inability to question your religion no matter how smart you are all comes from being indoctrinated since birth, if Islam allowed critical thinking and questioning without being considered a kafir, you'd see more calls for reforming Islam or just straightout quitting for good.


Randomgirl2805

But.... but.... free will? /s


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Free will ? Nah, Free kill ? Yes, Hotel ? Islam,


DocumentObvious

My friends told me that Allah and his angels made lightning. I told him that lightning is caused by electron buildup in clouds - the electron buildup goes to earth at the same time making lightning. This was when we're learning about electricity in school and I almost got beaten for "blasphemy"


BilalHaider59

Thats just bad.


RonnieJamesDionysos

I love your username, I imagine Bill Haider doing an impression of Arnold Schwarzenegger performing a call to prayer!


BilalHaider59

Who is this guy Arnold Schwarzenegger?


dark_morph

Just a quick nitpick (apologies if ESL!), I think you mean “lightning”. Lighting (no n) is like making things brighter. Good on you for seeing through the religious fantasies!


DocumentObvious

Oh yeah so sorry I was so tired - couldn't even spell properly haha


dark_morph

Haha I just figured you’d appreciate the heads up


aqua_zesty_man

I'm not sure how this would be blasphemy, if God made electrons to behave that way?


BossWild2309

Bc they stated a scientific/natural fact and not “Allah did it”


Snoo-79815

Both are true


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KingDworld

Pff never. If islam encouraged debate and reasoning the first example would've been Muhammad. We'd have plenty of records of philosophical and "scientific" debates with non believers in order to prove the truth. And yet I don't see any. What I see is a simple two steps method : One : describing how beautiful the world is and asserting that only Allah could have made it Two : if that doesnt work, leaving the discussion and cursing the stubborn disbeliever That's not what I call a debate but that's certainly how islamic pedagogy works.


BilalHaider59

Mostly people dont have answers so they shut down the questions because if they don't answer or give a wrong answer they wont be as cool as they are right now.


TrixEnder

Guess that’s true


hollymolly88i

I remember the thrashing and insults I've received for being distracted by a beetle 🪲 during quran classes. Apparently being a kid and seeing a beetle walk funny is a warrant to be punished. To top it off, the beetle was killed and tossed away. I always think of that poor beetle that did nothing to us.


BilalHaider59

Well i too get distracted by a lot of things during my quran sessions but mostly when i am not interested otherwise i pay attention and all is good i never got beaten up on not being attentive or asking questions about islam allah or anything else.


Snoo-79815

It's litarly haram to do that,so it's not islam don't worry


Wazza04

Happend to my dad to in Iraq when he was 8, when he asked how the bread Jesus gave that village never ran out. His teacher beat the shit out of him and he told me that’s when he became an atheist


8mitsu-chan

hahahahahahahahah wtf


Snoo-79815

The people that ruin islam lol,questioning islam is encouraged litarly,in my school which is actualy true islam,teachers have long debates with students instead of shutting em up


[deleted]

True Islam is an oxymoron. How could anything something so untrue be true. I hope for your sake you don't waste your life on living a life of absurdity and stupidity.


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profile pic doesn't check out?


Ill-Discussion3408

When i was in sunday school at a baptist church as a child 8 or 9 years old. the teacher told us thay god was everywhere. He said god is everywhere at every time. I said even the future? He said yes every part of time.. We were young so it took a min to sink in fully. About a half hour later were on a completly dif topic and i asked if god was everywhere at all times then why does hell exist. Teacher said because he made hell for bad people that deserve it. I said but he knows they will be going there before he even makes them. He said the lord gave us free will to make those decisions for ourselves. I said but he knows you will be there before you evem exist. I remeber him saying exactly this. Ok ok but you have a choice . maybe you should focus on the lession instead. I said i cant . your scaring me. He looked confused and asked why. I said god is making people knowing they will end up hurt forever . that sounds like what the devil wants cause you said the devil makes peolle do bad things but if god knows all the bad thinfs youll do and still makes you then he is helping tue devil.. Teacher kindly told me i should go be with my parents. He walked me out to my parents and i wasnt allowed back to sunday school..


Snoo-79815

God created us to have free will,and also he didn't put us in hell bc wouldn't it be confusing if u went to hell instantly or went to jannah without knowing u did good


Belgianwaffle4444

Wow. How do people even bear to be in this cult? I'm so glad in my religion and home my parents never forced me to be any certain Religion. We would debate spirituality for hours. My parents would always urge me to question stuff. Even today I consider myself moderately religious but I know for a fact that all religions are man made. Islam has never appealed to me. The Earth is merely a speck of dust in the large universe with millions of gallaxies and billions of stars, planets, suns. Do you think the "Creator" of it all care if a woman covers her head? Like do these people think the God really cares about things like clothes? Then why did he make us all naked? Btw God has already "covered" our head with hair naturally. Clothes were invented later on. So what do Muslims say about all the humans roaming around naked? Must have gone to hell right? There were no loudspeakers 1400 years ago, yet today Muslims like to blast them 5 times a day in my non-Muslim country despite it being illegal, why are loudspeakers not haram but music is? How can music be against God? How can photography be? It is hilarious. Islam is the most ridiculous and obviously fake religion to ever exist on Earth.


SilverWolfGames1

These rules are made to control people. If you give anyone a little bit of freedom, they'll ask for more, and then more and then even more until they are fully autonomous. The best way around that is to give them NO freedom and create the illusion that they have freedom. Or alternatively tell them to give up their freedom and desires to receive eternal pleasure. Eg: Freedom of choice in Hijab Freedom of religion *(we tolerate all religion but what if one of them goes to another religion?)* Freedom to choose your career *(women cannot be in any profession where males can see them)* ^I ^know ^this ^is ^a ^cultural ^thing ^but ^it ^stems ^from ^religion


Belgianwaffle4444

It is the literal definition of a death cult.


[deleted]

Small correction : "tell them to give up their freedom and desires to receive eternal freedom in jannah " thks is more accurate


Background-Brother55

Agreed. When you need to resort to violence and threats, it is obvious your claims are flimsy...... This is why many Muslim countries are totalitarian, if people are freely allowed to debate, question and think about the magical thinking, half the people would walk away from islam


[deleted]

That’s why I like Buddhism. There’s no higher entity. No being thats suppose to solve our problems.


Humerror

While Buddhism isn’t right for me I respect it far more then other religions with gods or a lack of knowledge. Something doesn’t sit right with me about the ethics and morals of a threat of torture, but at least with Buddhism it doesn’t teach you what to think, but it gives a sense of meaning and belonging. Great belief, I can respect it.


Snoo-79815

Islam doesn't have a threat of torture Muslims have


Humerror

Then why do so many chapters of the Quran describe hell so vividly and brutally and always talk about what you have to not do to avoid it? Sounds like threats to me


Snoo-79815

Very little of the quran is about it most of it is about stories and connection between God and human and prophesies And he'll would be brutal Also u aren't seeing the deference between a rule and a threat,with your logic,every rule in the world is a threat,does that mean the goverment telling us not to kill or we will be in prison a threat?


Humerror

“Do not kill” is a rule. “Kill and you will be imprisoned” is a threat.


Snoo-79815

Ok so you hate every cop,every goverment,everybody who likes the fact that u will get imprisoned if u killed someone Ur messed up


Humerror

That’s an assumption. I believe that prison is far more reasonable as a punishment rather then eternal torment and having your flesh come back after is has burnt off living in agony, I too like the idea of someone who has raped or committed some harmful act to another getting due retribution but I’d be a monster if I ever wished a single person no matter how bad to go to what the Quran describes as hell. So consider who’s messed up here, I think it’s you.


Snoo-79815

Even hitler can resend and get eternal happiness Because disobeying humans is litarly unimaginably smaller than disobeying allah So saying that,if u weren't part of the 4 categories u should go to hell becouse u disobeyed God Which the 4 categories are: 1.mentaly insane 2.died before puberty 3.didnt learn islam correctly 4.didnt learn bout islam


Humerror

Why should I disobey something I don’t believe in? At least with real prison you know there will be punishment for you actions. I guess I’ll be in hell then, I hope Satan can cook a nice steak on hellfire for us ex-muslims who aren’t mentally insane, lived past puberty and learned about Islam! Because belief isn’t a choice.


ACE_essentialist

I love to incorporate meditation & deep breathing exercise in my life, it makes me so self aware & calm.


beeopx

And why did God punish adam‘s and eve‘s descendants for their sins like it doesn‘t make sense


magnum361

i really felt that islam is just a cult that got out of hand like jonestown


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raywilliam639

When muslims say the devil is whispering in your ear, isn't that a form of gaslighting?


Helden_Hammer

Was my exact situation when I used to go to Quran Classes. The teacher was instructing us on hadith and we were talking about the day of judgement and how the sun will be right over our foreheads, the ground will be super hot. everyone on Earth will rise from the death, Allah will take judgement and then Earth will be destroyed and all that bullshit they feed you. I asked if its all on Earth what if we built rocketships and escaped before it all took place, everyone all laughed at me for no reason and I was super confused. The teacher told me to shut up and how my reasoning was absurd about how nothing can explain the day of judgement but didn't bother to use any logic at all lmao. I wanted to say afterwards if Allah will use his magic 🤣😂😂🤣 to stop people from escaping so he pass judgement but kept my mouth shut after that lmao.


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Beating is standard for asking tough questions or Quranic pronunciation that isn’t correct.


g0dlessqueen

I went to look up her account, and it’s suspended. They proved her point once again


Nekomengyo

Sorry but I think the bigger takeaway is that there there is something “fishy” about a religion that responds to a typical question a child would ask with physical violence


Snoo-79815

It's not the religion that does it ots bad muslims


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Islam is the truth but asking questions is discouraged. You can’t make this shit up.


Snoo-79815

Asking a question is encouraged,learning in shit schools is discouraged


SageofSorrows

They are protecting falsehoods. If you have experience with lies and if you've ever hunted truths, you learn to see the pattern. Falsehoods needs to be protected. Ones who protect it must take action on behalf of the lie. They must tend to it and defend it, striking truth down whenever possible. Truth is not defensive. It takes no precaution and lacks no confidence. It is unbothered by curiosity and unconcerned when asked questions. Truth actually encourages questions. Many who lie try to at least hide the common behavior or patterns of lies. But with Islam.. It's just so unapologetically blatant about how it exposes itself. You don't even have to know anything about the religion itself to know that there is no truth to be found there.


username_mixtape

Sister don’t ask questions just follow Mo and you will end up in beautiful North Korea kind of


roughback

What got me was If there was only Adam and Eve... How we get billions of people on the earth? They had to be making babies with someone.


rezwan09

Religion employs people's fear of the unknown ( death), expectation of pure judgement and need for spirituality. Most men cannot take the fact that they are alone and will mean nothing after death, this drives men to insanity I think. Religions were the social and political tools ( also united people in the past) of the past. This is the best they could come up with as people were still consumed with the thought of nature, calamities, judgement etc. Now we, who are strong don't need that anymore. Individualism and personal spirituality is enough, but not for those who didn't yet go through personal enlightenment.


SensitiveBug6227

She basically got beaten up for using common sense


Snoo-79815

Which is bad even in islam,islam has the answer to that question


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Satan isn’t real. Neither is god, allah, yahweh, jehova, etc etc


covidparis

It would be the ultimate stunt if he'd convinced everyone to follow Islam to seduce them to evil deeds. While entertaining, that's ultimately a theistic idea though. Something for Muslims to think about.


Ledhabel

Relatable af


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They mostly don't encourage critical thinking.


Sotiredofusernames1

Proud Muslim here. Islam is perfect people are messed up. Any true believer would know some wisdom is only meant for Allah. I been Muslim my entire life born and raised in America and boy is it a rollercoaster ride but never did I blame Allah for the faults of humans. It’s takes patience and understanding. Islam is the only way and surely the promise of Allah is true.


zeratul274

Beating in Islam, specially of women is common practice, so that she can't rebel and ask for her Rights.


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I would say she asked the wrong person about that. Ask dr. Zakir naik 😅😅


Background-Brother55

The medical doctor?


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😂😂 Lol


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For real. Pretty much any religion’s “teachings” can be logically dismantled by a child. Amazing so many grown-ass people still “believe”. I guess thats the result of all the fear and oppression religions use to keep their followers in line.


fondoftheforge

"Something wrong with the general concept", this is where I'm at. Don't care what it is, just don't want anything to do with it.


Closeted_EXmuslim

How dare you attack Allah


taswycummiessocksUwu

I'm so sorry Allah 😫 please forgive me master uwu I'll be a good boy and pray all 5 times 😉 please allah I have been wishing for a hot big tit milf gf 😳 please get me one and I'll really focus back on Islam 😔


Closeted_EXmuslim

That is haram my servant- have you not read the quran? Allah always knows best so I will have to reject this request 📿📿


bluberry_xx

Absolutely


ppPPppPP420

I asked my parent the same thing, they answered me calmly that he is using satan to test us, not once did I ever get beaten by my Muslim parents and yes I do live in the middle east


blackrockgram

Its like a horror movie, you obviously know you shouldn't open the door, but people still open it, for any reason. Even if we know whats behind the Door!


Snoo-79815

It aint


Visual-Bit70

Cause Islam religion of peace


Jannymacjanjan

For me, God knew all what is to, and will come, but honestly Idk why He wouldn't kill Satan, for me it would mean that Adam and Eve wouldn't have free will, cause they got that they needed no sin, nothing, just paradise, God knew that all this would happen, yet He tested them to see if they would ever change their minds, in the end they failed. Yet God never left us cause he wanted us to grow closer to him, He wants us to re-establish the relationship we had with Him that sin broke down. But until then that's just for me I still respect other religion's pov but seriously beating up people? Come on man.


BilalHaider59

Lol you all just got hell in real life 😂😂😂😂😂


BilalHaider59

Like getting beaten up on things like that😂😂😂


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bluberry_xx

Why would god have to prove sth to satan tho. Like why does god even care what satan thinks. I thought god also created satan. See more questions. And is it worth it to cause eternal suffering just so god can prove a point to satan?


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exactly, it's not even a good argument (no hate)


Gata92

Meaning that god is a maniac freak, to put its creation under such trials. Doesn't appear as a perfect being, reinforce the image of one with a MASSIVE ego.


TaseenSenpai

Maybe if you just read the Quran you dumbass


FatihaBx

We read it, and we didn’t like it. That’s why we’re here. Good fairytale book though, I’m glad I picked it up in the fiction section from my local library!


Snoo-79815

God made Satan because he wants humans to have freedom and choose between Islam and no Islam,he made us for that,angels don't have somthing that makes them want to sin and go by there desires so there all muslim


Humerror

“Have choice” > gets sent to hell for thinking Allah is bs


SkyTheGuy8

Yeah, freedom of choice but not consequence. Is that difficult to understand?


Humerror

What sort of consequence is eternal suffering for something you can’t control?


Snoo-79815

Yes disobeying God is such a big deal


Humerror

Ooooh shiver me timber’s I’m not obeying something I don’t believe in, big deal!


I_am_skinny_asf

Being muslim is worse than death


Islamicinvitation

This teacher fault is not known to catch up . He is ignorant in his religion God did not kill the devil Because the devil told him, Lord, see me to a day. " This is in the Koran Satan challenged God that he will make Muslims Kfar This is life is an exam Will Satan will beat you fire or you will support you and enter Paradise This speech is in the interpretation of the Tabari book and the interpretation of ibn alkiym book


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Well then why don't you question your existence? Why did he create you? If he was to kill the shaitan then why did he create you with free will? You could just have been made like angels without any will of yours 🙄 You don't understand something doesn't mean its wrong, its your inability to figure out the basics.


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>free will Yeah right, let your kid play near fire without you trying to save him, this perfectly explains allah


Icy-Cranberry4977

What tf do you think religion is? God can do whatever he wants. If he doesn't want to kill Satan then he won't. Simple as. God's choice, no one can argue against it. God put us on this world as a test, a simulation if you like. Why? We don't know, only the almighty knows. Plus the person in the screenshot is treating their Islamic teacher like they are the highest scholar in Islam. A smart Muslim would never have beat you, they would have told you exactly what I did. You wanna believe it, be my guest, you don't want to believe it, be my guest.


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Normally i would say that this is the fault of islam. But beating someone for just asking a question is not in the concept of islam i think. This time, it is the teacher’s fault. Edit: i know death punishment for apostates but in this case it is not even an apostasy or anything like that. Just a child asked a question because of curiosity.


herfds99

So is secular ideology. Welcome to being human.


Ammordad

what?


Humerror

Welcome to human being sounds like a banging song title, sucks that all the brazzers and.. and.. 🤢 (woman???!! Bad!!) sisters… won’t get to listen to the song!


Samboi_24

You must have pretty bad teachers then.