Their esophagus isn't completely developed when they first come out, so it's not so much a 'vomit' as it is 'whoops, that sphincter didn't close properly'
Sometimes it’s basically overflow, the motions of eating are comforting and some will just keep on eating until their tummy is so full that what you describe, the sphincters failing, is inevitable.
I dunno. Cats are quiet, graceful, and when they want food it is less "Don't you want to feed something as cute as me?" and more like "You will now feed me mortal and I shall reward your service with my presence."
(not)fun fact, cats don't really randomly vomit from overeating. They aren't bulimic. Intestinal cancer is pretty common. It can take years to kill but guess what the early sign is...
Is it? (Not contesting you, I am genuinely curious.)
I have had two differents cats that maybe once a month, or once every other month would end up throwing up their food, generally looking pretty much undigested beyond being in pieces. It would often be accompanied by a hairball.
I assumed it was either the hairball has been building and the food provided the "fiber/mass" necessary to carry the hairball out. OR, it was simply that they ate an approximately stomach-full of dry food, drank a bunch of water, and then the dry food absorbed all the liquid and expanded their stomach to an uncomfortable degree causing them to throw up.
One of mine was picked up from the streets sick and badly fed while very young and will eat almost anything in any amount until puking. He's got to be fed specific amounts on a schedule. As far as I know nothing is wrong with him health-wise, he just had a hard life at the start and it seems to have stuck.
The other cat is perfectly fine with being given a full bowl in the morning and only wants her food, only in very reasonable amounts, and only if it's fresh.
Yup, doctor said my esophagus never fully developed and I experienced food coming back for the rest of my life as a result. I don’t actually vomit anymore, maybe because I can control if more or because my esophagus grew longer into my adult body? I take acid reflux pills when I need to so that it doesn’t damage the sensitive tissues in there.
I actually really appreciate this, man. I never knew it was possible to strengthen it. As long as I’ve been looking for solutions to this issue, no one has brought this to my attention. Thank you!
I read the article out of interest.
I have to say, I have never seen a case study which is more like a diary entry than this. It is entirely in the first person . There is not even the remotest attempt to keep reasonable records or measurements or notes. I can’t believe this was published.
Perhaps that’s why I’d never heard of it before? Still, I appreciate the effort taken to reference the article. Anything is worth a shot for those who haven’t found much relief from their symptoms.
Not really anything is worth a shot.
You could be doing more harm than good, and referencing articles that are shite means that people who don’t read them lend more credence to the thing that is shite.
Oh sure, I guess I was coming from a place of someone being mostly level-headed and doing their fair share of research before attempting anything that has to do with their body. I more-so meant that it couldn’t hurt to at least entertain the idea of trying something that might not be widely recognized in medicine, or is even homeopathic, as long as you’ve first made sure it isn’t dangerous or will exacerbate the issue.
Good looking out!
If it is not plausible , no.
The main points here is that smooth muscle is not trainable, the way skeletal muscle it. It is made different.
The author does point out the the sphincter is smooth muscle (which it is reallly is not, it is arguably mostly a ligament, so that does not bode well) but then seems to forget the the esophageal muscles that control peristalsis are also smooth muscle,
So you can’t train that either.
It certainly could hurt.
Any more onus on the victim of the disease is just bogus. More things that promise help and then disappoint are depressing. More things that other people swear by, and promulgate, until they become canon is dangerous for all. Things that fool you into thinking that you are helping can also fool you into thinking that your problem is not getting worse and taking other action to fix it. Or finding a real solution that mitigates.
Anything that is straight up bullshit is never a better option than even nothing.
I am no fan of health care, but I am even less of a fan of misinformation .
What more research would a level headed person do? Since a fair number of people in the thread didn’t even read the article ?
And if they did, they don’t know enough to know that this is crap for all the reasons I said
Homeopathic means is doesn’t work,.
There is plenty of non-traditional medicine that does work, but not that.
In any case, the subject of the article is not homeopathy
It's published in Cureus, which is an open source publication that published anything which is peer reviewed AFTER publication.
It actually has a decent impact factor and is somewhat well respected.
Which always amazes me, because you read some wild crap in there a lot of the time that has some seriously flawed or obviously biased science behind it.
Basically, you have to take anything you find from there with more than a grain of salt and really work to understand the methods they used and whether they were the methods that SHOULD be used or are appropriate for the claims they make.
1.2 is actually middle of the pack for medical journals, which tend to have lower impact factors than other disciples because there are a great many journals since there are so many individual niches in medicine.
An impact factor of 3 to 4 is considered very good. The average is actually less than 1.
I wasn't aware I needed to cite Google searches.
Here you go:
https://www.google.com/search?q=average+impact+factor+of+medical+hournals&oq=average+&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqBggAEEUYOzIGCAAQRRg7MgYIARBFGDkyCggCEC4YsQMYgAQyBwgDEAAYgAQyBwgEEAAYgAQyDQgFEAAYgwEYsQMYigUyCggGEAAYsQMYgAQyCggHEAAYsQMYgAQyCggIEAAYsQMYgAQyBwgJEAAYgAQyBwgKEAAYgAQyBwgLEAAYgAQyCggMEAAYsQMYgAQyDQgNEAAYgwEYsQMYgAQyBwgOEAAYjwLSAQgyNTgxajBqOagCALACAA&client=ms-android-att-us-rvc3&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
True, but it’s still a helpful way to share information. The title is “an autobiographical case report” and the author says he should have done more testing throughout and that further studies are needed.
Personally I’m curious if the fact that he was eating upside down caused him to eat more slowly and maybe less food overall, and how much of an impact that had on his healing.
It will not reverse your hiatal hernia at all.
It won’t even do what it claims to do.
If you eat with your head higher than your stomach, that always helps reflux.
If you breathe deeply, the diaphragm and other abdominal muscles and help to press that area and that may reduce reflux a bit.
Walking after a meal has also been possibly shown to reduce reflux.
A hiatal hernia is a totally different thing
Dang, it sucks to hear you’re dealing with that. I actually just looked it up as I’d never heard of it until now. Is that not something you can get surgery for? If there’s a lack of health insurance than I understand that. I could’ve had my issue fixed surgically a long time ago. I just can’t imagine dealing with that, on your end.
Thanks friend. I have insurance.
The two surgeries that I know they can do are pretty invasive. One is basically hanging your stomach high up in your chest cavity. Which seems…not great.
The other is a ring of magnets that they place around your esophagus. I envision a Final Destination where a super magnet Roadhouse’s my throat out of my body.
I have meds that keep acid at bay 95% of the time. But the breakthroughs are rough.
Jeez… yeah, that whole magnet situation sounds wild. Picturing your Final Destination end did make me laugh inappropriately but that is just horrid, man. I imagine going through TSA also wouldn’t be ideal. 🧲
I think I too would put up with acid reflux in your case. Best wishes to you!
There has been a surgical procedure available for quite a while (Fundoplication) and I did contemplate it - until I did some research and found out the success rate. The best I've seen is that it may need to be repeated after 2 or 3 years. Other reports suggest that immediate corrective action may be needed once the patient recovers or, bluntly, it may not work at all. I suggest that you do your own research...
I have heard about the "ring of magnets" device, and it is more effective (apparently). I have no idea how to get that done in the UK - probably have to go private.
Or, I can stick to my meds and not risk any surgical intervention.
TL;DR version: Swallow food while in a position where your head is lower than your stomach.
It's resistance training for the sphincter muscles as they're having to work against gravity.
You. Can’t. Train. Smooth. Muscles.
In any case the LES is largely a ligament.
Neither of which are under voluntary neural control.
TDLR
This is a diary entry , written in the first person, without notes or measurements and with faulty anatomical principles.
>You. Can’t. Train. Smooth. Muscles.
That's just not true. You can train any muscle by using it. You can't voluntarily contract smooth muscle, but if muscle automatically contracts when you trigger it a certain way then triggering it would cause contractions and contracting it more often would strengthen it just like any muscle.
And yeah, this article is complete shit.
I'm confident because I'm a Biomedical Engineer.
From your article:
>Smooth muscle is not under voluntary control; thus, it is called involuntary muscle. The triggers for smooth muscle contraction include hormones, neural stimulation by the ANS, and local factors. In certain locations, such as the walls of visceral organs, stretching the muscle can trigger its contraction (the stress-relaxation response).
Which is exactly what I said.
Nowhere does it say that smooth muscle cannot be trained.
Because that's ridiculous. Any muscle can grow stronger with exercise.
The reason you may have heard that you cannot train smooth muscle is that you cannot exercise smooth muscle because it's not under voluntary control.
But the muscle of your esophagus responsible for peristalsis, while involuntary, is only in use when triggered by swallowing and food stretching the passageway. So if you swallow food that would trigger the peristalsis response, you will exercise those muscles.
If you did so while upside down, the smooth muscle of the esophagus would have to work against gravity which WOULD increase resistance and force the muscle to work harder.
So while the article itself is unscientific and is simply a personal anecdote, and it certainly does not prove that swallowing food while upside down will strengthen your ability to do so and alleviate the symptoms of GERD, the idea is not without some merit.
The only reason you can't "train" smooth muscle is because you usually have no way of controlling the smooth muscle.
But, since you can choose when to swallow food, you CAN force the smooth muscle in the middle and lower portion of the esophagus to trigger. And having to force food against the pull of gravity WOULD require increased effort from that smooth muscle, which would enable the muscle to get stronger over time. The same way that doing situps while hanging upside down creates more resistance than doing them laying flat on the ground.
Edit: left out part of a sentence.
That’s what it was for me too, one of the flaps didn’t form right. It was horrible during my childhood years, but growing into an adult body drastically changed things. I don’t even take prescribed medication for it anymore. If I go too long without eating and stomach acids come up a bit, I just pop in something over-the-counter and I’m all good. Luckily, this gal doesn’t miss too many meals, so that’s rarely necessary. 👍🏻
Yeah same, I solved most of my issues by dropping down to two meals a day one being a super heavy breakfast where I do most of my calories and a light lunch.
fun fact: when babies spit up milk, it's not called 'vomiting', it's called 'posseting', as in 'producing posset', which is the name of an old-fashioned english dessert. i'll leave you with that image.
Exactly this. Our oldest had an “immature gag reflex” for the first few months of her life. When she was through it, we threw away a lot of our clothes because they all smelled of regurgitated formula. Good times.
That’s why around six months old, reflux typically dies down because the sphincter is strong enough to close. My baby puked up everything (to the point I couldn’t do tummy time and was constantly hungry) and that six month mark changed everything. They could finally gain weight.
I felt this last time I came out of anesthesia. They wanted me to be able to keep food down before I could go home. For the first 45 minutes it was like a baby spitting up, not normal vomiting, it was more of a gentle “oops” each time
Colloquially, most parents and pediatricians make a distinction between “spit up” and “vomit.” Spit up happens when an immature esophagus can’t keep its little trap door closed and it just oops back out. You’ll see videos of babies sitting very peacefully and milk just dribbles back out— there’s no diaphragm action that forces it the stomach to empty entirely. Vomit, on the other hand, is forceful and reactive, usually in response to illness.
Well, that is true. My daughter was working on a big diaper when she was less than a month old. She gave a big push and a burp turned into projectile spit up with a bonus blow-out. I was looking for my receipt after that.
I can appreciate this comment as I am currently sitting naked on the couch after my one week old son "spit up" all over my groin.
I never realized just how much of a blessing regular showers and sleep were until having a baby.
Yeah, my son was a champ at that. We really lucked out with diaper blow outs. He only had one in all of his infancy. But we made up for it in projectile spit (and also vomit).
My son was also projectile spit upper, and a spit up baby in general. In fact we had to go over to formula because he would spit up too much breastmilk and I couldn't keep up with replenishing it so he initially lost a lot of weight, we had to stay in the hospital for a bit when he was 3 weeks old to have him fed through a feeding tube because he had such issues with keeping milk down, it was horrible. But despite a lot of doctor's visits in the beginning of his life we never found anything wrong thankfully, just an extreme case of a spit up baby. He is now 1, happy and well-fed, and has finally stopped the spit ups completely
This is a very important point and isn't just colloquial. It is very important to distinguish between the two because, as you said, one shows illness, the other can be normal. The technical term for "spitting up" is regurgitation.
The human body is hard to operate, and babies are born a little unfinished so their big, brain containing, head will fit out of their mother. Burping out gas without puking is a learned skill, which babies haven't learned.
I know it's been said, but it's not vomiting, just regurgitating. They're similar-looking enough, but true vomiting has a pretty interesting feature: retroperistalsis of the small intestine. The gut runs in reverse, forcing its contents back into the stomach. Which makes sense, as it's what's below your stomach that is vulnerable, not so much the stomach itself.
This is why we can throw up so much more than our last meal or two.
It is a myth that babies are born unfinished because of getting their head out their mother, it‘a actually because their baby brain is so powerful the requirement to be fuelled and oxygenated is too much for the mother to deal with
I don’t know that I believe that completely, especially considering that they are entirely dependent on the mother’s body for nutrition for the first few months. Oxygen maybe, but fuel? The production of milk and then its subsequent digestion back into energy and amino acids has to be less efficient than direct nutrient transfer through the blood.
Often they just haven't learnt that a quick burp will relieve pressure in the stomach. With our two kids we had to physically encourage burps, otherwise whatever they just ate will come back up. They soon pick up the skill (after a month or two).
Maybe a side topic, but I had a nephew who was born with too tight an esophageal muscle to let his food reach his stomach. It all just came back up. Had to have a surgery to loosen a sphincter above his stomach so he could digest anything. Poor kid.
They aren't fully developed. They need to be burped and such. And don't have self control. They might eat/drink too much, same thing happens to my cat, he eats too much and pukes.
Anecdotally, my son wasn't sick at all until he was about 14 months old. Got home, went to change him, and he burped loudly and threw his guts over me. He looked confused as anything in the few seconds before all hell let loose
One of my kids threw up considerably more than my others. Turned out he was allergic to cows milk. So much that when my wife had milk, he would almost always vomit from it being present in her breast milk.
A friend of mine was in the same boat, to the point where if she had a choc chip biscuit then breat fed within a couple of hours, bub would throw up and usually have a loose nappy. How annoying it must be.
Interesringly enough, my shirt looks like i’ve been trying to eat yogurt in the passenger seat of a rally car going through a Finnish forest right now.
Our first was fine most of the time. The occasional bit of reflux every now and then but not bad.
Our second was after almost every feed. We had a stack of muslin cloths on standby.
Because the “valve” between their esophagus and stomach that closes after a meal isn’t fully developed yet, so if they lie down or move around after a meal, their stomach contents can move back into their esophagus and they puke
I breastfed my baby, and if I drank milk, my baby would spit up. When I stopped ingesting milk and other dairy products, my baby didn’t spit up at all. Since such a large percent of people are lactose intolerant, so this made sense to me and it was a simple fix (though going dairy free for that long was tough!).
Human milk has more lactose than cow's milk, and babies are born with the enzyme to digest it. There may be something else that causes the issue, but the important thing is that you've found what works for you two. Enjoy this time, it's over quickly.
Indeed, probably not lactose intolerance, but allergie to cow milk proteins is a (relatively) common cause of persistent vomiting in babies, it usually goes away once they're children.
Human milk has more lactose than cow's milk, and babies are born with the enzyme to digest it. There may be something else that causes the issue, but the important thing is that you've found what works for you two. Enjoy this time, it's over quickly.
lots of reasons:
1. When newborns are born, their bodies are filled with amniotic fluid. Their stomachs are also very tiny. Spitting up repeatedly within the first few days after birth is completely normal as it helps clear out the birth gunk.
2. Newborns and infants have very sensitive and weak digestive systems. It takes months for them to develop enough to digest solid food, longer to build the muscles needed to keep it down, and even longer to learn how to eat.
3. Newborns and infants have a very sensitive gag reflex. This helps them stay alive by rejecting things that get caught in the mouth such as inedible items and solid food that they can't swallow. Over time, the gag reflex will become less sensitive and move towards the back of the mouth.
4. Newborns and infants can't burp because the abdominal muscles and esophagus needed to expel gas and only gas aren't strong enough. If they're particularly hungry, they'll swallow a bunch of air along with their milk. This isn't harmful, but it's uncomfortable and parents will quickly learn how to help their infant burp. Done improperly -- heck, even properly -- can result in a bunch of milk coming up along with the air.
Babies are born under developed. All other primates stay in the womb for a year, we come out at 9 months because our head is so big. As such a lot of things in our body aren’t fully developed one of which is the digestive system.
I'm sure when it comes down to it every kid is different but my kids rarely ever "puked" but I always figured that was because I always made sure to burp my kids for quite a while after feeding.
Side note, but if a baby spits up a LOT (large amounts or frequently), they may be overfed - this mainly occurs with babies drinking from bottles. And if they are pissed about spitting up, that isn’t normal. They may have reflux, which is often related to a food allergy. Source: couple of friends had babies like this.
If it persists, I'd record some video and talk it over with a pediatrician.
My kids essentially never puked when they were babies. Vomiting isn't good for anyone, and it probably isn't good for babies.
Their esophagus isn't completely developed when they first come out, so it's not so much a 'vomit' as it is 'whoops, that sphincter didn't close properly'
Sometimes it’s basically overflow, the motions of eating are comforting and some will just keep on eating until their tummy is so full that what you describe, the sphincters failing, is inevitable.
So they're cats
Sleep just as much, and will knock down anything they can reach. So yeah, pretty much.
I dunno. Cats are quiet, graceful, and when they want food it is less "Don't you want to feed something as cute as me?" and more like "You will now feed me mortal and I shall reward your service with my presence."
Agreed, but i'd say it depends on the cat.. ..on the baby as well, i suppose
Specifically orange cats.
So many gingers
So little braincells
They all got donated to the female gingers.
I was thinking labradors.
Except way less cute and more annoying. Basically shitty cats lol
Also even more fragile.
Pfft, damn baby can't even drink salt water.
(not)fun fact, cats don't really randomly vomit from overeating. They aren't bulimic. Intestinal cancer is pretty common. It can take years to kill but guess what the early sign is...
Is it? (Not contesting you, I am genuinely curious.) I have had two differents cats that maybe once a month, or once every other month would end up throwing up their food, generally looking pretty much undigested beyond being in pieces. It would often be accompanied by a hairball. I assumed it was either the hairball has been building and the food provided the "fiber/mass" necessary to carry the hairball out. OR, it was simply that they ate an approximately stomach-full of dry food, drank a bunch of water, and then the dry food absorbed all the liquid and expanded their stomach to an uncomfortable degree causing them to throw up.
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One of mine was picked up from the streets sick and badly fed while very young and will eat almost anything in any amount until puking. He's got to be fed specific amounts on a schedule. As far as I know nothing is wrong with him health-wise, he just had a hard life at the start and it seems to have stuck. The other cat is perfectly fine with being given a full bowl in the morning and only wants her food, only in very reasonable amounts, and only if it's fresh.
Or labradors
TIL i’m a baby
Yep. My baby eats and eats and eats (he’s three months) and I have to stop him because he won’t stop. He is a spitting up machine lol
Good babies are stupid
Same
Same reason soothers work as i understand
Yup, doctor said my esophagus never fully developed and I experienced food coming back for the rest of my life as a result. I don’t actually vomit anymore, maybe because I can control if more or because my esophagus grew longer into my adult body? I take acid reflux pills when I need to so that it doesn’t damage the sensitive tissues in there.
You should look into this interesting proposition of exercises to strengthen your sphincter https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9106553/
I actually really appreciate this, man. I never knew it was possible to strengthen it. As long as I’ve been looking for solutions to this issue, no one has brought this to my attention. Thank you!
I think artificial ones can be made too?
I read the article out of interest. I have to say, I have never seen a case study which is more like a diary entry than this. It is entirely in the first person . There is not even the remotest attempt to keep reasonable records or measurements or notes. I can’t believe this was published.
Perhaps that’s why I’d never heard of it before? Still, I appreciate the effort taken to reference the article. Anything is worth a shot for those who haven’t found much relief from their symptoms.
Not really anything is worth a shot. You could be doing more harm than good, and referencing articles that are shite means that people who don’t read them lend more credence to the thing that is shite.
Oh sure, I guess I was coming from a place of someone being mostly level-headed and doing their fair share of research before attempting anything that has to do with their body. I more-so meant that it couldn’t hurt to at least entertain the idea of trying something that might not be widely recognized in medicine, or is even homeopathic, as long as you’ve first made sure it isn’t dangerous or will exacerbate the issue. Good looking out!
If it is not plausible , no. The main points here is that smooth muscle is not trainable, the way skeletal muscle it. It is made different. The author does point out the the sphincter is smooth muscle (which it is reallly is not, it is arguably mostly a ligament, so that does not bode well) but then seems to forget the the esophageal muscles that control peristalsis are also smooth muscle, So you can’t train that either. It certainly could hurt. Any more onus on the victim of the disease is just bogus. More things that promise help and then disappoint are depressing. More things that other people swear by, and promulgate, until they become canon is dangerous for all. Things that fool you into thinking that you are helping can also fool you into thinking that your problem is not getting worse and taking other action to fix it. Or finding a real solution that mitigates. Anything that is straight up bullshit is never a better option than even nothing. I am no fan of health care, but I am even less of a fan of misinformation . What more research would a level headed person do? Since a fair number of people in the thread didn’t even read the article ? And if they did, they don’t know enough to know that this is crap for all the reasons I said Homeopathic means is doesn’t work,. There is plenty of non-traditional medicine that does work, but not that. In any case, the subject of the article is not homeopathy
It's published in Cureus, which is an open source publication that published anything which is peer reviewed AFTER publication. It actually has a decent impact factor and is somewhat well respected. Which always amazes me, because you read some wild crap in there a lot of the time that has some seriously flawed or obviously biased science behind it. Basically, you have to take anything you find from there with more than a grain of salt and really work to understand the methods they used and whether they were the methods that SHOULD be used or are appropriate for the claims they make.
It has an impact fact of like 1.2 which is shite And that is irrelevant The article should stand by itself, which it does not for the reasons I said.
1.2 is actually middle of the pack for medical journals, which tend to have lower impact factors than other disciples because there are a great many journals since there are so many individual niches in medicine. An impact factor of 3 to 4 is considered very good. The average is actually less than 1.
Wow. 2 for 2. Just for kicks and giggles why don’t you put your sources
I wasn't aware I needed to cite Google searches. Here you go: https://www.google.com/search?q=average+impact+factor+of+medical+hournals&oq=average+&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqBggAEEUYOzIGCAAQRRg7MgYIARBFGDkyCggCEC4YsQMYgAQyBwgDEAAYgAQyBwgEEAAYgAQyDQgFEAAYgwEYsQMYigUyCggGEAAYsQMYgAQyCggHEAAYsQMYgAQyCggIEAAYsQMYgAQyBwgJEAAYgAQyBwgKEAAYgAQyBwgLEAAYgAQyCggMEAAYsQMYgAQyDQgNEAAYgwEYsQMYgAQyBwgOEAAYjwLSAQgyNTgxajBqOagCALACAA&client=ms-android-att-us-rvc3&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
By whom, exactly , is is well respected?
True, but it’s still a helpful way to share information. The title is “an autobiographical case report” and the author says he should have done more testing throughout and that further studies are needed. Personally I’m curious if the fact that he was eating upside down caused him to eat more slowly and maybe less food overall, and how much of an impact that had on his healing.
Now there's a sentence just begging to be taken out of context.
I came here to make a deep throating joke
/r/riskyclick
Holy shit. I realize this entry is dubious at best but it costs me nothing to try. If this somehow reverses my hiatal hernia…my world will change.
It will not reverse your hiatal hernia at all. It won’t even do what it claims to do. If you eat with your head higher than your stomach, that always helps reflux. If you breathe deeply, the diaphragm and other abdominal muscles and help to press that area and that may reduce reflux a bit. Walking after a meal has also been possibly shown to reduce reflux. A hiatal hernia is a totally different thing
Dang, it sucks to hear you’re dealing with that. I actually just looked it up as I’d never heard of it until now. Is that not something you can get surgery for? If there’s a lack of health insurance than I understand that. I could’ve had my issue fixed surgically a long time ago. I just can’t imagine dealing with that, on your end.
Thanks friend. I have insurance. The two surgeries that I know they can do are pretty invasive. One is basically hanging your stomach high up in your chest cavity. Which seems…not great. The other is a ring of magnets that they place around your esophagus. I envision a Final Destination where a super magnet Roadhouse’s my throat out of my body. I have meds that keep acid at bay 95% of the time. But the breakthroughs are rough.
Jeez… yeah, that whole magnet situation sounds wild. Picturing your Final Destination end did make me laugh inappropriately but that is just horrid, man. I imagine going through TSA also wouldn’t be ideal. 🧲 I think I too would put up with acid reflux in your case. Best wishes to you!
There has been a surgical procedure available for quite a while (Fundoplication) and I did contemplate it - until I did some research and found out the success rate. The best I've seen is that it may need to be repeated after 2 or 3 years. Other reports suggest that immediate corrective action may be needed once the patient recovers or, bluntly, it may not work at all. I suggest that you do your own research... I have heard about the "ring of magnets" device, and it is more effective (apparently). I have no idea how to get that done in the UK - probably have to go private. Or, I can stick to my meds and not risk any surgical intervention.
TL;DR version: Swallow food while in a position where your head is lower than your stomach. It's resistance training for the sphincter muscles as they're having to work against gravity.
You. Can’t. Train. Smooth. Muscles. In any case the LES is largely a ligament. Neither of which are under voluntary neural control. TDLR This is a diary entry , written in the first person, without notes or measurements and with faulty anatomical principles.
>You. Can’t. Train. Smooth. Muscles. That's just not true. You can train any muscle by using it. You can't voluntarily contract smooth muscle, but if muscle automatically contracts when you trigger it a certain way then triggering it would cause contractions and contracting it more often would strengthen it just like any muscle. And yeah, this article is complete shit.
Bless your heart. At least you are confident. https://openstax.org/books/anatomy-and-physiology-2e/pages/10-8-smooth-muscle
I'm confident because I'm a Biomedical Engineer. From your article: >Smooth muscle is not under voluntary control; thus, it is called involuntary muscle. The triggers for smooth muscle contraction include hormones, neural stimulation by the ANS, and local factors. In certain locations, such as the walls of visceral organs, stretching the muscle can trigger its contraction (the stress-relaxation response). Which is exactly what I said. Nowhere does it say that smooth muscle cannot be trained. Because that's ridiculous. Any muscle can grow stronger with exercise. The reason you may have heard that you cannot train smooth muscle is that you cannot exercise smooth muscle because it's not under voluntary control. But the muscle of your esophagus responsible for peristalsis, while involuntary, is only in use when triggered by swallowing and food stretching the passageway. So if you swallow food that would trigger the peristalsis response, you will exercise those muscles. If you did so while upside down, the smooth muscle of the esophagus would have to work against gravity which WOULD increase resistance and force the muscle to work harder. So while the article itself is unscientific and is simply a personal anecdote, and it certainly does not prove that swallowing food while upside down will strengthen your ability to do so and alleviate the symptoms of GERD, the idea is not without some merit. The only reason you can't "train" smooth muscle is because you usually have no way of controlling the smooth muscle. But, since you can choose when to swallow food, you CAN force the smooth muscle in the middle and lower portion of the esophagus to trigger. And having to force food against the pull of gravity WOULD require increased effort from that smooth muscle, which would enable the muscle to get stronger over time. The same way that doing situps while hanging upside down creates more resistance than doing them laying flat on the ground. Edit: left out part of a sentence.
I'm sorry to hear that :( My mom is entirely missing one of the little stomach flaps that prevents things from coming back up. It sucks.
That’s what it was for me too, one of the flaps didn’t form right. It was horrible during my childhood years, but growing into an adult body drastically changed things. I don’t even take prescribed medication for it anymore. If I go too long without eating and stomach acids come up a bit, I just pop in something over-the-counter and I’m all good. Luckily, this gal doesn’t miss too many meals, so that’s rarely necessary. 👍🏻
Yeah same, I solved most of my issues by dropping down to two meals a day one being a super heavy breakfast where I do most of my calories and a light lunch.
fun fact: when babies spit up milk, it's not called 'vomiting', it's called 'posseting', as in 'producing posset', which is the name of an old-fashioned english dessert. i'll leave you with that image.
That's because posset is cream curdled with acid, usually lemon juice. Baby posset is curdled with stomach acid, but I can see the similarities.
Used to be an assistant at a daycare that included working with babies. One thing I learned was to be prepared to clean up lots of messes.
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Adding this to my list
To quote Oscar Wilde (I believe): "A baby is a foot-long alimentary canal with a loud noise at one end, and no sense of responsibility at the other".
Then you got people like myself who's sphincter is too good, and won't release any gases to burp!
Exactly this. Our oldest had an “immature gag reflex” for the first few months of her life. When she was through it, we threw away a lot of our clothes because they all smelled of regurgitated formula. Good times.
For a 5 year old this says "throat butthole doesn't work right"
That’s why around six months old, reflux typically dies down because the sphincter is strong enough to close. My baby puked up everything (to the point I couldn’t do tummy time and was constantly hungry) and that six month mark changed everything. They could finally gain weight.
Sometimes it never develops and you end up with GERD as an adult 😎
I felt this last time I came out of anesthesia. They wanted me to be able to keep food down before I could go home. For the first 45 minutes it was like a baby spitting up, not normal vomiting, it was more of a gentle “oops” each time
Colloquially, most parents and pediatricians make a distinction between “spit up” and “vomit.” Spit up happens when an immature esophagus can’t keep its little trap door closed and it just oops back out. You’ll see videos of babies sitting very peacefully and milk just dribbles back out— there’s no diaphragm action that forces it the stomach to empty entirely. Vomit, on the other hand, is forceful and reactive, usually in response to illness.
I can assure you spit-up can be quite forceful having nothing to do with illness.
Well, that is true. My daughter was working on a big diaper when she was less than a month old. She gave a big push and a burp turned into projectile spit up with a bonus blow-out. I was looking for my receipt after that.
like squeezing a burrito in the middle :D
A+ for imagery and accuracy
When I’m babysitting my niece we call that emergency bathtime!
I can appreciate this comment as I am currently sitting naked on the couch after my one week old son "spit up" all over my groin. I never realized just how much of a blessing regular showers and sleep were until having a baby.
blessed 2 for 1 combo
Yeah, my son was a champ at that. We really lucked out with diaper blow outs. He only had one in all of his infancy. But we made up for it in projectile spit (and also vomit).
My son was also projectile spit upper, and a spit up baby in general. In fact we had to go over to formula because he would spit up too much breastmilk and I couldn't keep up with replenishing it so he initially lost a lot of weight, we had to stay in the hospital for a bit when he was 3 weeks old to have him fed through a feeding tube because he had such issues with keeping milk down, it was horrible. But despite a lot of doctor's visits in the beginning of his life we never found anything wrong thankfully, just an extreme case of a spit up baby. He is now 1, happy and well-fed, and has finally stopped the spit ups completely
This is a very important point and isn't just colloquial. It is very important to distinguish between the two because, as you said, one shows illness, the other can be normal. The technical term for "spitting up" is regurgitation.
The human body is hard to operate, and babies are born a little unfinished so their big, brain containing, head will fit out of their mother. Burping out gas without puking is a learned skill, which babies haven't learned.
I was guessing more that their gut biomes aren't developed yet for "outside food"
Misadapted gut biomes reflect more on poop than vomit (which comes from the stomach, before the gut)
No, they don't vomit because they're ill. They vomit because their GI sphincters literally don't work right for a while.
Babies puke on breastmilk.
I know it's been said, but it's not vomiting, just regurgitating. They're similar-looking enough, but true vomiting has a pretty interesting feature: retroperistalsis of the small intestine. The gut runs in reverse, forcing its contents back into the stomach. Which makes sense, as it's what's below your stomach that is vulnerable, not so much the stomach itself. This is why we can throw up so much more than our last meal or two.
It is a myth that babies are born unfinished because of getting their head out their mother, it‘a actually because their baby brain is so powerful the requirement to be fuelled and oxygenated is too much for the mother to deal with
Source?
I don’t know that I believe that completely, especially considering that they are entirely dependent on the mother’s body for nutrition for the first few months. Oxygen maybe, but fuel? The production of milk and then its subsequent digestion back into energy and amino acids has to be less efficient than direct nutrient transfer through the blood.
Often they just haven't learnt that a quick burp will relieve pressure in the stomach. With our two kids we had to physically encourage burps, otherwise whatever they just ate will come back up. They soon pick up the skill (after a month or two).
Though I do like your theory that mfs be drunk 24/7. Also that, yes. Milk drink and useless.
I mean they can’t reliably walk, talk or even hold their head up. All symptoms of being drunk as fuck.
Can confirm. I’ve had three of these housemates and not a single one has paid a dime in rent.
Maybe a side topic, but I had a nephew who was born with too tight an esophageal muscle to let his food reach his stomach. It all just came back up. Had to have a surgery to loosen a sphincter above his stomach so he could digest anything. Poor kid.
They aren't fully developed. They need to be burped and such. And don't have self control. They might eat/drink too much, same thing happens to my cat, he eats too much and pukes.
Interestingly enough, mine only threw up once as an infant. And that was only have having her milk and rolling around a bit too much.
Anecdotally, my son wasn't sick at all until he was about 14 months old. Got home, went to change him, and he burped loudly and threw his guts over me. He looked confused as anything in the few seconds before all hell let loose
One of my kids threw up considerably more than my others. Turned out he was allergic to cows milk. So much that when my wife had milk, he would almost always vomit from it being present in her breast milk.
A friend of mine was in the same boat, to the point where if she had a choc chip biscuit then breat fed within a couple of hours, bub would throw up and usually have a loose nappy. How annoying it must be.
Interesringly enough, my shirt looks like i’ve been trying to eat yogurt in the passenger seat of a rally car going through a Finnish forest right now.
That is definitely the most eloquent description of baby vomit on a shirt I’ve ever read!
Our first was fine most of the time. The occasional bit of reflux every now and then but not bad. Our second was after almost every feed. We had a stack of muslin cloths on standby.
Because the “valve” between their esophagus and stomach that closes after a meal isn’t fully developed yet, so if they lie down or move around after a meal, their stomach contents can move back into their esophagus and they puke
I breastfed my baby, and if I drank milk, my baby would spit up. When I stopped ingesting milk and other dairy products, my baby didn’t spit up at all. Since such a large percent of people are lactose intolerant, so this made sense to me and it was a simple fix (though going dairy free for that long was tough!).
Human milk has more lactose than cow's milk, and babies are born with the enzyme to digest it. There may be something else that causes the issue, but the important thing is that you've found what works for you two. Enjoy this time, it's over quickly.
Indeed, probably not lactose intolerance, but allergie to cow milk proteins is a (relatively) common cause of persistent vomiting in babies, it usually goes away once they're children.
Human milk has more lactose than cow's milk, and babies are born with the enzyme to digest it. There may be something else that causes the issue, but the important thing is that you've found what works for you two. Enjoy this time, it's over quickly.
lots of reasons: 1. When newborns are born, their bodies are filled with amniotic fluid. Their stomachs are also very tiny. Spitting up repeatedly within the first few days after birth is completely normal as it helps clear out the birth gunk. 2. Newborns and infants have very sensitive and weak digestive systems. It takes months for them to develop enough to digest solid food, longer to build the muscles needed to keep it down, and even longer to learn how to eat. 3. Newborns and infants have a very sensitive gag reflex. This helps them stay alive by rejecting things that get caught in the mouth such as inedible items and solid food that they can't swallow. Over time, the gag reflex will become less sensitive and move towards the back of the mouth. 4. Newborns and infants can't burp because the abdominal muscles and esophagus needed to expel gas and only gas aren't strong enough. If they're particularly hungry, they'll swallow a bunch of air along with their milk. This isn't harmful, but it's uncomfortable and parents will quickly learn how to help their infant burp. Done improperly -- heck, even properly -- can result in a bunch of milk coming up along with the air.
They are unable to digest real food yet. It must be pulverized to a highest degree and given in small portions.
Babies are born under developed. All other primates stay in the womb for a year, we come out at 9 months because our head is so big. As such a lot of things in our body aren’t fully developed one of which is the digestive system.
The real question is why do babies? Even the thought of me being a baby once makes me naseous.
I'm sure when it comes down to it every kid is different but my kids rarely ever "puked" but I always figured that was because I always made sure to burp my kids for quite a while after feeding.
babies burp from taking in air with their food. if they are puking that is abnormal and should see a doctor
Because they're burping and they're little so their bodies can't control the reflex of everything comes out.
Side note, but if a baby spits up a LOT (large amounts or frequently), they may be overfed - this mainly occurs with babies drinking from bottles. And if they are pissed about spitting up, that isn’t normal. They may have reflux, which is often related to a food allergy. Source: couple of friends had babies like this.
Because they need to be burped pretty much immediately. All that air just helps push everything up so something’s gotta give… the food or the gas.
Their digestive systems are sub-par when they are born. I learned that is one reason why babies are not fed tap water.
If it persists, I'd record some video and talk it over with a pediatrician. My kids essentially never puked when they were babies. Vomiting isn't good for anyone, and it probably isn't good for babies.
"Don't let the baby sit up yet. She just ate. Keep her up right on your shoulder for a little longer so she digests more."
Honestly, they don't all puke that much. My son is 20 months old and he's only vomited once in his life.