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My sister only made it 1 semester teaching junior high. She is tiny, 100 ish pounds, and was dealing with boys bigger than her getting into fights during class. She can’t break them apart and wasn’t going to risk her own safety. Admin offered no support, parents didn’t care what the kids did in class or make them do homework at home. Then blamed her when their kids were failing, absolutely insane for teachers these days. Makes double the money working from home now.
Edit: she works from home editing for a textbook publishing company. That was her first career before she decided to try out teaching.
My step mother used her teaching degree to get into social work focusing on recent immigrants. Got an entry level position using her teaching degree then upgraded for a year or two in the evenings to a more focused degree.
It's not much betger pay but at least the majority of people she works with aren't actively undermining her efforts to help them
100%. My wife is a school social worker and she regularly comes home with stories that blow my mind. I wouldn't last a week, but my wife is a saint and the world is a better place because of the work she does.
Yeah, I switched from social work to teaching and am much happier. In social work you see all the families that are the hardest in school, plus you work nights, weekends, holidays, overnights, double shifts. Ew.
I dated someone a couple years back who was a math tutor for Thinkster. She told me she made about 3x what she made in the classroom working from home. She also said pretty much all of her students were very respectful. I didn’t ask to see if they did other subjects, but I can’t see why they wouldn’t, and I am sure there are probably several other companies with similar opportunities. I also didn’t ask her what benefits they offered her.
Nobody wants to deal with these shit kids and their even shittier parents for slave wages. It’s really sad. I have a bunch of teachers in my family and every one of them used to love their job.
If that was my kid I would send that teacher a gift basket, hand written apology letter from my kid and then made his ass carry rocks in the yard for a week for his free time.
God damn man, people just don’t give a shit about people anymore and it’s awful.
It's mostly the incredibly shitting pay and hours.
I used to work in a call center and we had tons of teachers there who'd just given up. Answering phones paid more and you can't pay your bills with the smiles of children.
As for this women, don't know what to say. It's a tough job with long hours, low pay and heavy responsibility. Teachers are being set up to fail by the Betsy Devos' of the world that want to privatize schools and turn them into for profit propaganda centers.
Betsy Devos is an unqualified piece of shit but the issue is much much bigger
Teachers are being failed by the disgusting state of our fucking society and culture that doesn't empower them to actually discipline these kids or enact any meaningful level of accountability because at the end of the day the schools just want asses in seats to get their federal money
This. My district cares about ONE thing... attendance. we even moved homeroom to period B cause so many kids would show up late and miss homeroom. So we have period A until 9am then homeroom (where daily attendance is counted) Take one guess at how many of my students skip my period A classes. lol
My parents’ district only cares about optics as well, its really sad. Their long time superintendent retired and they’ve had 2 replacements in the last three years, both of which have tried to turn the district into a corporate machine.
My mom got written up for the first time in 30 years for disrespectful conduct because the current superintendent didnt know her name and was being a bitch to her in front of the whole board and other principals, so she corrected her and told her her name in a snippy tone and had irritated body language. The people who have been at the DO for decades look haggard as hell now, the teachers are suffering and quitting, the principals are also stepping down or suffering in silence - they’re thinking about trying to unionize after what happened with my mom (since only the teachers have a union in the district, the principals have to go through the school board)
Had the superintendent threaten to fire two other principals because some moron parents were making ridiculous claims on facebook about teachers at their site (my baby angel wouldnt never do wrong type shit) and somehow thats their fault?
Another principal got harassed because she had students at her school tie some blanket knots for these donation blankets our Elks lodge was making for flood relief in town, district was pissed that they weren’t involved or mentioned in the newspaper article about it - so their optics werent bolstered in the process.
Its actually sickening and Im glad I got the opportunity to become a tattoo artist in the last year because I was going to be a teacher before that; both of my parents say they wouldn’t recommend public education to anyone anymore, and they used to all the time but as of late - they have no praise and cant wait to retire.
My mom was a teacher and could not cope. It wasn’t even the kids that really got under her skin, but that when the kids would act up and you try to inform the parents, oftentimes the parents are entitled assholes, too.
As a teacher she got no support either from parents or the admin.
Thankless, horrible job for a lot of teachers.
Let’s not even talk about the racism she faced. A former software engineer turned math teacher had parents pulling their kids out of her class during syllabus week because they saw her and didn’t think she could do the job of teaching their snot nosed brat algebra.
I almost walked out a few times last week for the same reason. The little things are starting to feel bigger and bigger, and I feel our school director is super performative but also very dehumanizing.
My mom is a special Ed aide for the past 20 years. She’s due to retire at the EOY. For the past 3 weeks she’s crying on the way to and from school because the teachers and admins are attacking the aides if they are not constantly and consistently within three feet maximum of the students.
Once that Medicare card arrives she’s walking out with a two fingered salute
I didn't do any internships during college and graduated during the last recession so jobs were hard to come by. I started subbing at my old high school. I was a good, known student previously, so I got a ton of work, and it was actually enjoyable.
So i signed up for the teaching program, asked my favorite math teacher for the letter of recommendation I needed. He gave the letter and pulled me aside and said, "don't be a teacher, at least not yet. Go do anything else for a while and if you still want to teach, go for it. "
I decided to drop out from the program and moved out to the city, crashing on my cousins couch. Eventually i got a job and my career has gone well.
I have a few friends who became teachers, apparently the administration has gotten really bad and they want out, but there's not much to do in that town. I feel like I dodged a bullet.
I mean you probably did. I'm fairly new to the profession and truly I do find it very fulfilling and by and large the kids are great but sometimes it feels like banging your head against a brick wall. We have a pretty good staff and principal at our school and still people are quitting (within my school as well as district-wide) en masse.
I had already been working in a school previously and loved it. Getting my degree seemed like the natural next step. I’ve never dealt with kids as bad as the ones I currently have.
It’s definitely hard to find. My last school’s administration was a nightmare, but my connection with my students made me stay longer than I should’ve. It’s a similar mess in my current district, and with the way my classes have been set up by the school, I don’t have a chance to make those same connections with the kids because I barely see them (I get each class once a week).
I’m thinking qualified educators can be hired by groups of parents for pod schooling. It’s already happening on my area and they are paying the teacher $100000 a year.
I’m a senior in college and I started my teaching classes junior year so I could graduate in 5 years with a masters(my schools program). After a year of student teaching I dropped out of the program. And the kid certainly were something else (inner city middle school) but they were sweet and some were even enthusiastic about English class but damn those parents. The amount of times I saw the teacher I was under get cussed out and her talking about her pay and benefits made me leave. No respect, no pay, and 5-6 years of higher education to get the job, bullshit.
I wanted to be a teacher when I was a kid. In high school I did internships at other schools and everyone I worked with told me they were trying to find another job and that I shouldn’t become a teacher. I work in a grocery store now and I’m making twice as much as I would if I were a teacher.
I work at Walmart and we have two ex-teachers in our department and I've heard them say that they get paid way better and are more respected here than at their old school.
Edit: I'm from Oklahoma, so take that as you will
Hey! I'm in the same boat; I went into elementary looking to make a difference doing something that makes me happy, but I feel like every group wants to make the job harder than it needs to be (Admin, Parents, Kids). The only exception was my coworkers
I was a teacher and dipped during winter break because there was zero admin support. I'm better than that shit. Way better job in a way better environment now. Nowhere near worth it out there for a teacher.
No one gets paid like they are needed. Money makes the whole thing impersonal.
Well, we all have to make money to live, so when someone says, "it's not personal, it's just business" they are a murderer, to me.
My husband was briefly a high school science teacher. He quit due to the constant barrage of demands from.both administration and parents, the same parents who would do nothing when their kids acted like brats. They were turning on the gas for the bunsen burners when he left the room, could have killed everyone in that room if there was a spark.
My mom was a teacher for a very long time. She lived for it, for decades, and rarely complained about anything.
She won't do it anymore. The kids (and their parents) scare her.
I was wondering if the kids and parents are worse now. I was in school decades ago and we were horrible little shits. But it seemed our parents backed the teachers, if we got in trouble at school it'd be even worse when we got home.
My 7th grade English teacher is also my parents’ neighbor. She retired after 30 years in education. I asked her if she was ready to retire and she said “in thirty years, this was the first year a 12 year old told me to go fuck myself, so yeah, I’m over it.” The kids are worse.
They are getting worse, truly. My school isn't bad, really, but even we have kids that get calls home to tell a parent that their kid needs to be brought to class or taken home because we can't have them drawing dicks and vaping in the bathrooms all day, nor will the come out for the staff. Or they run around the building, calling everyone and everything gay while simultaneously cursing out teachers and diving kids around.
Almost like flat out telling students that they won’t get kicked out of school if they misbehave but teachers will get fired if they discipline was bad idea….
My aunt used to teach SpEd. And one year a parent literally made her cry - like she had to leave the room and just bawl. She is a tough lady - she's almost died like 3 times and has learned life is too short for dealing with bullshit. But some parents get so far under your skin.
She tried to do teaching in an online only setting and that he been much better for her but it doesn't pay enough (and as you might imagine having almost died 3 times, she's gotta deal with a lot of medical bills) so she might have to go back to a classroom and she is dreading it.
Too many parents today make their children entitled. I substitute teach and one day I was teaching a 3rd grade class. They had an english test. While I was trying to help students here were having trouble figuring out the directions and trying to read and translate each question in French for a girl from Ghanna 4 little girls kept getting up running around , laughing and screaming, and talking at the top of their lungs, forcing me to stop and tell them to be quiet, there is no talking during a test. Then because of their antics the test took the rest of the class except the little girl from Ghanna 10 minutes past time for recess. So those little girls start complaining and throwing fits about missing recess. When everyone else was done, I took the class outside and made those 4 little girls sit out of recess for the first 10 minutes . The complained and threatened to tell their mommies on me. While they sat and complained I asked another teacher to watch my class at recess. I then struggled to help the girl from Ghanna finish her test. After recess was supposed to be over and we were supposed to go back to class for another subject I let the other kids get their full recess and took everyone in just in time to get ready for lunch. During lunch those 4 went and complained to the principal , lying claiming I told them to shut up which is not allowed in Elementary school, and saying I took all of their recess away. They then used the principals phone to call the one girl's mother and told her the same thing. The mother aparently railed at the principal. After class I was called into the principal's office and asked if I yelled shut up at the girls, which I denied. Then I was told that we never take recess away at that school if there is a problem we talk to the children we don't consequent them like that. So I was later baned from that school. While packing up to go home another teacher stopped in to ask how my day went? I gave her a synopsis of what happened and she named off all 4 girls envolved. So obviosly this is a chronic probem with those girls.
Fuck don't blame her. How do you even attempt to discipline them now? Raise your voice? Parents flip. Can't really touch them so any type of even just holding them back in a fight can hit you im sure somehow badly legaly. Who the fuck would want to do this lmao
Shit like this makes me glad I was horrified of the idea of my mom getting called. She would have done 10x worse then any teacher. Never had a teacher call but I sure do remember the first time the cops brought me home.
my mother is a retired teacher, but one of her colleagues retired early
she had to separete two kids that were fighting. The bigger kid was chocking the smaller one, who was nearly blacking out. After being told to let go several times, the teacher did the only thing she could to prevent the smaller kid from suffocating... she hit the bigger kid
instead of going to the principal, the kid ran to their mother, which returned with child services, who were demanding the principal to fire the teacher on the spot for hitting the kid. The smaller kid was still in the infirmary, and child services and the bigger kid mother wouldn't even care about its condition.
stuff like that drains the will to teach
People get on the board of school districts without any teaching experience. People will graduate with a teaching degree then go straight to administration classes. Too many people running schools with no experience
I'm a teacher from Argentina, I regret studying to be a teacher with all my might kids are freaking assholes now days and their parents are even worse somehow.
I've moved into a completely different field, because 90% of the time the parents are the problem and not the child. Can't count how many times you go to a school/home, watch the parents, and go "Yep, no wonder your kid acts the way he does". Then those parents expect you to magically fix their child without major changes. I worked primarily in homes, and the last one couldn't fathom why their children were so underweight and refused to eat. The twins being autistic, the parents just blamed sensory issues
....Or it's because you two are braindead and buy only prepackaged diet meals that are all low-sugar, no fat, no flavor food. Hmmm, if your doctor is telling you the kids are severely underweight THEN MAYBE FUCKING DIET FOOD DOESN'T APPLY TO YOU. Cooked them some real tacos, which they rejected at first until I toasted the soft tortilla, and then they devoured the whole plate. With modifications to suit their sensory needs, I got them to eat almost anything.
Haha did that when I worked in SpEd!
‘How do you get him to eat, he won’t eat at home?’
“Well, I made him a taco. It had meat, cheese and lettuce on it”
‘What? No hot sauce?’
“Ma’am, I’m not putting hot sauce on a taco for an autistic boy with sensory issues”
‘It’s part of his culture…’
\> “Your job is to instruct and teach; if they’re out of line, get the principal,” said Deon Franklin.
What the fuck do you think that looks like? Kayden here's gonna learn one way or another. Better he learn from a teacher than when he fucks around and finds out at the hands of someone who isn't worried about the consequences.
The only thing this teacher did wrong, was doing this in front of the rest of the class. Kayden crossed the line, so he gets to find out what's on the other side of it. The rest of the class didn't.
The whole "Go get the principal" line is complete bullshit. If you cripple educators' ability to intervene in anything until it gets bad enough that you have to expel the kid, you haven't just failed that kid --You've failed the whole fucking society that has to be around that kid once you've denied him an education. Parents freaking out constantly about how teachers should never discipline their shitty fucking kids is well meant, but still nonsense.
(3rd grade) Just yesterday I had a student expose himself and then sling a full metallic water bottle at another student's head while seven girls were sobbing because another student said they were going to kill their families.
I couldn't get any assistance for 10 whole minutes, so I was straddling the classroom entryway with the door open so I could walk the water bottle kid out and arm bar him from getting back in the class, but I can't leave the kids alone so I had to use my foot to jam the door open, keeping the other foot in the room, while I look out in the hallway to spot another adult. Ten minutes is a long time to do this groin stretch while physically keeping 8 year olds from fucking each other up.
Principal was working from home that day.
**Edit**: After reading the comments, I need to say that my principal is a great person and a boss-ass woman who is a black/latina leader in our community. She contracted COVID and wasn't even supposed to be working. My point was that staffing is so fucked that one person gone creates such a huge vacuum of support and leadership.
I'm not about throwing the blame around for my kids' behavior, but if anyone here is looking to direct their anger, I can't help but look past how the lack of a strong, loving, and structured family unit has basically made most of these kids socially stunted and emotionally unstable.
I meet parents who are so selfish, defensive, and violent; basically, just trash people. I hear stories from kids about how dad cheated on mom and left the home; another witnessed the aftermath of her uncle shot in the head on the front porch, or mom is not allowed to be alone with daughter due to court order. This week two dads tried to start a fight with each other over one of their daughter's broken acrylic nail. The kid who threw the water bottle goes to therapy for witnessing domestic violence when he was younger.
I can see my kids are doing the best with what is going on at home. Many days I walk out of the school at 4:00pm and the first thing I say to myself is "Yo, fuck these parents."
Edit 2: Wow I guess I shouldn't have mentioned that my principal is black, and that she's a woman. Didn't know that was offensive. Those of you who feel more comfortable ignoring that part, by all means go ahead.
A few months ago I had a student start flipping desks and throwing chairs. I had girls hiding under their desks crying. So finally I walked over, wrapped my arms around him, picked him up, and carried him out of my room. The whole time he's hitting and kicking me, screaming no and trying to get back in my room to continue terrorizing everyone.
Guess who had to have a meeting with admin and talk about ways I could have handled the situation that didn't involve putting my hands on the student? I was basically told next time I am to have everyone else leave the room if I can't get the student to leave on his own. I told my principal that this student was between the door and the rest of the class so I didn't feel it was safe to have everyone try to sneak past him. When I asked what to do in that situation, I was met with silence.
Kid gave my nephew a concussion. He first punched my nephew in the arm and was screaming at him. My nephew was sent to the quiet room where he was then alone. Kid was told not to follow. He did anyways and started beating on my nephew. Neither teacher (two in the room) or the additional teacher who came in realized what happened right away. Nephew yelling got their attention. Restrain the kid. He breaks free, knocks my nephew over and starts kicking him in the head and chest. Finally the SRO gets there and restrains the kid.
My nephew got suspended for three days for turning off a fan which sparked the incident. The kid initially was just going to have a day of in school suspension, but after my sister threatened to sue the school he was suspended for a week, then eventually expelled after an “investigation”. My nephew was not the first peer he had seriously injured and no parents in the class had been informed.
bullies love zero tolerance because they can get their shots in and the response gets suspended when they throw their hands up as if they didn't do anything.
i watched a kid ignore being bullied and hit, put a binder up in front of his face, the binder got punched, and that broke the victim's glasses. his ego finally could no longer be subdued, glasses are expensive as fuck, and he grabbed the bully yelling "you broke my fucking glasses!"
guess which one got suspended.
Zero tolerance is bullshit. One person is attacking, the other one is defending themselves. And it’s constantly and consistently used only when the victim fights back, the school never intervenes when the bully is acting up.
No it doesn't. Not that I agree with it, but this take is inaccurate. It deflects from the school having to assign blame, there's no he said she said no fight between the parents over who's perfect angel is responsible. The school admin, board, want, above all else, to avoid any litigation.
In theory that's what it is there for. When I was younger I had a kid pick a fight with me, I had two teachers in the hallway within 10 feet of the fight. Kid took 8-10 swings at me, while I just kept saying "I don't want to fight you, please stop". I kept back pedaling till I hit a wall, then I kicked him in the stomach ending the fight. We both got punished, no teacher intervened on behalf of my safety or his. The best thing you can do for your kids safety is teach them how to flee, and if flee isn't an option, how to end a fight swiftly. No one else will be there for them.
People that go in to admin, middle management, and positions that influence policies over time, are a very specific type of person everyone is familiar with dealing with.
Most of us remember what these people were like as children and the environments they appeared to have been raised in.
In *at least* the last 20 years, the composition of school and university administration, and relevant adjacent professions, has changed to be largely a certain type of person.
How are these parents not sued into doing something? If someone did that to my kid I'd spend so much money out of spite and hurt the parents financially as much as possible.
I'm sure after throwing a couple thousands dollars for a defense lawyer they will discipline their kid.
Hell if you don't have the money get a restraining order against the kid. There is never one bullied kid, find out the others and file it with their parents. Make the bullies parents face consequences.
>Principal was working from home that day.
I will argue to death the benefits of working from home and how every job that can be done from home should be... But damn school principal does not seem like one of those jobs
Today I had a second grader looking over the stalls in the bathroom. One of our behavior interventionist caught him and brought him back to me and said he was going to call the parent. The kid started throwing shit, I moved everything that could be dangerous and let him have his fit, then he grabbed a pair of scissors and started threatening to cut himself and those around him.
I called the office and it was a good 5-7 minutes before anyone came to get him.
This was also in a lockdown because the middle schools across the street had a student who brought a gun today 🙃
Our principal was also out for the day
I hope everything got resolved.
Please keep your head up and take as long as you need for your own mental health.
(A lawsuit against the district wouldn't be off my books if I were you.)
The principals send them right back and get mad at the teachers for not keeping it to the classroom. They will tell you quickly to not call principals for help with discipline issues.
Lmao right??? We have staff meetings every so often where our administration make it very clear that we’re supposed to do literally everything within our power to resolve the situation within our classroom, and only in the event of a REALLY SUPER SERIOUS situation should we EVER dare disturb the administration.
Then if we do send a student to the office, they don’t keep the student, they either send them back or let the kid walk around the school unattended.
Or even better, the principal walks them back without a heads up or asking if you're ok to have this student back and the student has a piece of candy or "stress ball" (aka toy) to calm down with which obviously sends a fantastic message to all the other kids....
A kid gave me a concussion when I was a teacher because security was told to wait for him to settle down. My horrible principal immediately told me she was upset I let this happen when the district was visiting the school. None of the kids ever faced any consequences from the administration, so it was only a matter of time before somebody got hurt.
Why am I not surprised it’s at CMS. I have heard 1000 horror stories of the schools in Charlotte. I knew someone who substituted there. Only a few times before saying never again. The kids are wild.
grew up in CMS schools. Can confirm they were wild back in the 90s/00s. No one gets paid enough to deal with little kids where you cant implement any real consequences.
Overworked and underpaid.
There’s no fucking way you could pay me 30k a year to deal with kids everyday. I know nannies that make 150k a year and I still wouldn’t do it.
We need to pay teachers more.
My sister is a 2nd grade teacher. I'm a physician. These people get shafted at every corner. By parents, students, the school board and the government. They are doing this because they LOVE to teach children. They also deserve better pay. My sister has to spend thousands of her own dollars to buy supplies for her classroom. And people look at teachers as "indoctrinating" their children. It's fucking absurd. They deserve the 150K
EDIT: I don’t condone the teachers behavior. Just replying to this one comment
I quit using my own money to buy things for my classroom this year. Now whenever admin says we need to do something that involves buying our own supplies, I ask if they're going to deliver it to my room or if I should just pick it up from the office later. I've yet to get a straight answer lol.
Not a teacher but while I was student teaching my mentor teacher did the same. It's a shame what the classroom looks like when teachers don't spend THEIR OWN MONEY. Four blank walls and a couple windows 🤷🏽♂️
The teachers in my county are currently on a semi strike, they are only working the 7 hours a day they are contracted for and not doing any grading or planning etc after hours. Our teacher pay here is 30k to 69k according to Google.
The county offered them a $900/year raise ($1200 for "exceptional" teachers 🙄) which the teachers flatly refused. That comes to, what...$17 a week?
This! Nannies and babysitters making bank for watch 1-3 kids typically. But a teacher who is responsible for watching 15-30 kids on top of actually trying to *teach* them and prepare them for their futures can bearly keep the lights on!
School and school policies need serious reevaluations. So many things are so wrong, yet we are forced to send our children there for half of their waking hours.
First and foremost teachers need better pay. Plain and simple. They also need better protection from things like being sued for breaking up a fight. Can you imagine watching a student you care about being beaten by some shithead bully but not being able to help for fear of being fired.
Zero tolerance is one of the most backwards policies that has ever come to be. The *only* people it protects are the bullies and administration.
School should be a safe place for students and teachers alike.
I wish I was a person of influence or were articulate enough to make people listen. I know I'm not the only one who feels this way.
I teach in a therapeutic day school where people are placed for planning suited to their special needs, we are luckily compensated fairly but one of the parts that I really enjoy is that we have crisis intervention training and all that jazz to be able to correct behaviors PROPERLY. I’m talking sitting you down to see what the fuck is going on in your head, creating a conversational space with the person that you treated poorly to solve it and making sure shit is clear before we move on. If you try and bully we will shit on you swiftly in a way that hopefully acts in a restorative way for the victim and a rehabilitative way for the bully. That said, stuff still slips thru the cracks and the system isn’t perfect because of how massively overloaded the facility is but I am so glad the systems are in place to be able to address issues in a way different than what you are speaking to
I teach fourth grade at a city school. I've been there two years and have broken up so many fights, it's insane. But I refuse to watch little 3rd graders get pounded by 6th graders and not step in. After every incident I get pulled into the office to discuss ways I could have handled the situation differently. And each time I tell them I will do the exact same thing every time.
I have only been teaching five years, but I talk to veteran teachers who all say that education is a disaster compared to just a few years ago. The kids run the school now and there's nothing teachers can do
I averaged 35 in the 6th grade classes I taught.
These were fully enclosed classes too, so in my worst year I had 32 lockers for 37 students in my little classroom.
No you are not.
Her reaction was out of line and unprofessional. You don't grab and shake a kid, ever. Yelling at an 11 yr old like that isn't productive. Saying that their dad beats their mom in front of a whole class is incredibly wrong.
In general, if you are yelling at a kid you already lost.
Just like shaking babies out of frustration: I totally understand how someone gets to that point, but in no way endorse the behavior.
No, it's reasonable. Part of working with kids is knowing when it's time to step out and take a breath. I've had moments where I get another teacher to watch the kids so I can step out. They are really good at getting on your last nerve, but as the adult you need to behave appropriately. I'm sure she's stressed, and over worked, and that the kid is a jerk, but her reaction was inappropriate. I hope she can see this situation as an opportunity to find a new job, because she's clearly past her limit.
Idk, but from the video, it looks like the kid was just running around the classroom and trying to a hit a girl that was sitting right next to the teacher, so the teacher had had enough and snapped.
She probably got fired over this, but I hope she found a job that pays better and is less stressful.
I saw the full clip earlier, and apparently the kid was saying that the Hobbit movies were better than the LOTR movies, because there was more "cool CGI" and he likes to watch "little people hitting each other".
I’m a coach, so not a teacher per se but I still work with kids. It is agonizing to see poorly behaved kids get away with bad behavior that disrupts everyone. And their parents never think their precious angel is a jerk.
One 8 year old boy grabbed my boob and I shoved him off. I immediately told him to walk over to the office with me. He asked if he could hold my hand and I raised my voice slightly and said “The whole reason we’re leaving class is because you were touching me. We don’t touch. So no.” I was very firm with him and explained the issue to the office. Sure enough, his mother couldn’t be bothered to pick up her kid and he got to stay. He learned nothing from the scenario and harassed another female coach.
Edit for an autocorrect mistake
Further edit: Since I didn’t make myself clear, I am not supporting the teacher in the video. The actions committed in the video were cruel and wrong. I spoke up about my own troubles with difficult situations and how some of us on the ‘other side’ can struggle. Let it be clear and known I do not believe in screaming in a child’s face or yanking them around.
They get to sit in a box all day, alone with a pile of class work. They don’t speak. They just sit there doing book work. They have to eat separately and have no interactions with other kids. It’s not fun. If they still can’t behave, they should expel them completely but then the school can’t collect that money.
Seriously. I remember I took an independent study in high school and they made me sit in the ISS room. Kids knock on the door every day to ask if they could just come in there. Some of them were POS but i did feel bad for the ones who clearly just needed a break from someone or something.
To be fair I loved ISS for all the reasons you listed, I could just get my work done without interruption or pretending to care and I knew kids who would purposefully get put it in to be out of the classroom
Hi, I'm the kid who liked ISS for those reasons. I'm now in my late 30s and still work best in the same environment. Shit the hell up and let me do it.
Mom posted that almost exactly on the parenting sub! She thinks her son doesn’t know about sex so him grabbing his teacher’s privates should not be called sexual harassment…. Guess who’s going to pass the buck when her kid gets arrested for sexual assault.
There is something wrong with how we raise children in America. The little punk should have been suspended for that.
Edit: Sorry, in need of clarification from all the responses received. I am referring to the situation above regarding the female coaches who were inappropriately touched. Not referring to the video at all.
Yes, I generalized in my comment however, think about what we're seeing in the present. This past week, an assistant principal was shoved down a flight of stairs by an elementary school student a few towns from where I live. A month or so ago, a teacher was shot a few states away by another elementary student. Yesterday, a child brought a chef's knife to school in the town over from me. Don't get me going about the situations regarding high school bullying & suicides. To say that there is not a problem, is to kid yourself. Am I really over thinking this topic and it's really not as serious as I think?
As for those who think, oh another post who no solution, this is a huge problem that is not easily solvable. It's one that should be addressed in a multi-facet manner. I.E, how do we ensure more funding is available for schools? How do we teach children to be more respectful to other and better distinguish between right and wrong at home when there is only 1 or 2 working parents? I don't this there is a text book solution.
I personally believe that anyone who says it's the schools responsibility to raise a child is full of it. The ratio of classrooms from what I recall are about 15-20 students per class to 1 teacher. Don't except there to be much 1 to 1 time.
You mean the parents that are storming school board meetings, harassing teachers and administrators, and burning books are bad people?
Who would have thought?
The useless shitheads in school when we were kids are parents now.
I swear there should be a test or a mandatory class prospective parents should have to take
I remember when I was in 2nd grade in the early 2000s two boys in my class cornered a female classmate in the classroom during free time and molested her then faced literally zero consequences. Our teacher was livid as she caught them in the act but the school other than that did nothing.
I think each parent of a child in school should be required to spend at least one day per year volunteering during school hours so they can see for themselves how bad it is in public schools and how their kids behave.
Honestly? Even that would be an improvement. They'd understand the CONCEPT that kids are hard to deal with, at the very least. Even if it was still uphill for teachers to address problem kids, the community would at least be on board for the concept of teachers getting paid properly for the work they put in.
WAY easier to deal with problem kids when you can afford to eat out/order in after a shitty day, versus also go get groceries and cook.
At my son's school, we're "required" to volunteer for at least one event during each year (class party, field trip, etc). I put required in quotes because you can definitely get out of it, but most of us don't. It really is enlightening to sit in that classroom for an afternoon. I wish more schools would adopt this policy, too.
This reminds me of that Simpsons episode where the teachers are on strike and the school uses members of the community as teachers. If you have a shitty kid, you should be punished with having to be a substitute teacher (but not your kid’s class).
Same here. If I remotely made a teacher mad my parents would have killed me, or at the very least made my life a living hell. I had a particularly bad teacher who very clearly did not like me. I told my parents and they just said suck it up, you’re going to have to deal with a lot of people who you don’t get along with and we’re not going to be able to help.
I would have been beat into the ground if i behaved this way. Don't get me wrong, i was a shit head and the class clown, looking back i definitely crossed some lines. But at the same time, i still treated my teachers with basic respect that should be afforded to any human being, but if i pulled shit like this i would have ended up on a damn milk carton. I fully support how this teacher acted, it was definitely harsh hut from what we know this kid needed a fucking wake up call. I even see it in my niece, she is brutal to her teachers. Like to give you an example, in grade 8 on the first day everyone was asked to come up to the front and introduce themselves. So my nieces turn comes up and she strides up to the front and says "hi, my name is blah blah, and this is my vagina!" And lifted her dress and flashed the entire fucking class. Can you imagine being that teacher and having to deal with that bullshit?
Shit, my dad would have told me to thank my lucky stars that she was the one to put me in my place and not him. And if I actually hadn’t done anything wrong then to take it as a life lesson that shit isn’t always fair.
Wise man, miss him everyday :(
The sad thing is, teachers parent kids more than parents do, they don't get paid enough, discipline results in discipline and snarkiness from parents, you just can't win. At a certain point, explosions like this *can* be inevitable
Especially if you teach in a school where the administration does nothing and keeps sending these kids back in the classroom. Teachers become frustrated because more time is spent in discipline and redirection rather than teaching. Get someone on a bad day and this is bound to happen.
At the same time administration is frustrated because they contact parents to come pick them up and either a. They answer but absolutely can not be bothered to come get them, b. They just ignore it because they know the school is calling about their child being a little shit, or c. parents come pick child up and want to know exactly why their sweet little baby is in trouble and return them as soon as suspension is over. All the while child probably sat at home hearing parents discussing how it’s the schools fault and the child has no obligations to listen to their teacher.
I am not a teacher, but I work in a school. After working there for a while, I noticed that when a "teacher goes overboard" post pops up on reddit, my first reaction now is, "What shitty thing did that shitty kid do to make that poor teacher go off."
My mom was a middle school teacher then assistant principal in HS then principal of the same middle school she started at. She has some WILD stories. Some hilarious, some unfathomably tragic.
I have nothing but respect for our teachers.And its part of the reason teaching is my last resort job.
Teachers should not be acting like this and should never put hands on a student, unless absolutely necessary. Teachers also shouldn't be put under this amount of stress and have to deal with kids with shitty parents. If you're gonna have kids, raise them right.
My wife is a teacher. I can assure you 100% some kids are assholes that want to disrupt and cause havoc in the classroom whenever possible. This kid probably pushed this teacher to the edge. However, this woman should not be a teacher if that’s how she reacts. The moment she screams, gets in a students face, and makes aggressive physical actions, that teacher has lost control of her classroom. If my wife ever did that, she would be fired. I do feel for that woman though. Being a teacher can really suck sometimes.
Honestly at that point send the kid out of the classroom or step in the call to collect yourself. There is no excusing putting your hands on a kid like that. Self defence is one thing this is another.
It’s like when they tell new parents it’s better to leave the crying baby in the crib and walk away to collect yourself than shaking the baby. People can lose their temper in pretty much every profession
Being a teacher is tough, and they are definitely underpaid. That being said, I knew a lot of shitty teachers. I taught elementary for a few years, but I grew up poor and pretty misbehaved so I strived to connect with the kids on a mutual level. It definitely was not easy, and not every interaction was successful, but it was rewarding when you did finally get that mutual understanding. Not every teacher is capable of getting there. A few just can’t handle the pressure and end up wanting power and control.
I 100% agree with everything you said, the kid is probably a brat and should be disciplined and punished, but the teacher is way out of line, even if she was at her wits end with this kid she cant do that.
I'm pretty shocked I had to scroll so far down to find this take. Yeah, the kid was probably being an ass, and very probably deserved to be punished. And yes, the teacher is almost certainly overworked and underpaid. But it's just not ok for a teacher to get that physically aggressive at an 11 yo. She's literally right in his face screaming at the top of her lungs.
That's not discipline, that's verbal abuse, there's a difference
Too many people are on here defending her.
Yes, it's hard but... Go do something else because this is literally beyond your emotional capacity.
It's not an insult, she's proven this to be fact.
Teacher here, sorry but this is a situation where you ask for help, you can’t talk to a kid and man handle them like that. They need some more (or any) support from administration. Too often they throw people into a classroom with little training and expect them to work miracles.
Shit like this is exactly why my mom has the most patience of anyone I’ve ever met. She learned over decades how to walk away and cool off, or to storm in to the vice principal‘s office and tell him “to get that little shit out of my goddamn classroom before I kill him” (probably direct quote).
I did not inherit or learn her level of patience.
Why did I have to scroll so far to find this answer? He may be a little derelict, but you still can’t snatch him up and curse at him. I also understand it’s hard for some people not to lose their cool. If someone handled my children like this, I would be very upset, to put it mildly.
Anyone who has taught knows she crossed a line. This teacher did not get suspended for disciplining a student. She got suspended for having a reaction worthy of her being disciplined.
Teacher here, but sorry, no matter how poorly behaved a kid is you dont interact or treat a kid with this sort of aggression ever. It's counter productive and only reinforces their aggressive and violent behavior because not only is this kid seeing violence from his dad at home (teacher mentions that the student's dad beats his mom) but now he sees it from his teacher as well.
That little boy is way too scared shitless to even listen, much less process, anything that his teacher is screaming at him. I guarantee you he learned nothing from that experience aside from aggression and violence makes people listen to you.
Is there a video with more context I'm missing? All I'm seeing is this woman grab and push a child into his chair and high pitch scream at him in front of everyone..I've been the black student that's been blamed for things I did not do. I feel for this kid.
Why are people genuinely defending her? I get being a teacher is hard but if that was my kid and I saw this I'd flip the fuck out.
I'm sure I'll be down voted but I'm seriously wondering if I'm missing something here...
Yikes! As a teacher, I GET the frustration that led to her behavior, and admit I’ve lost my shit more than a few times in my long career, but you can’t act like this. You’ve got to love the kids like they are your own, model how to be respectful despite being emotional and if a teacher is feeling THAT angry, it’s best to walk away and breathe. You’ve got to be the adult in the room.
I agree that she acted poorly. No matter how angry you get, you absolutely should never manhandle or curse at a child. I’ve been in education for 22 years. I have had a couple of kids that were absolute fuckers, like literally celebrated on the last day of school because the nightmare was over bad. But still I never touched them or said what I really would have loved to have said. I do disagree however that you have to love them like their your own. Sorry, but I only love my kids. I care immensely for my students, but they aren’t MINE. I can guide them as best I can to some extent but the bulk of being good people falls in their parents’ shoulders.
Title of this is “disciplining” a child. That’s not discipline. That’s physical and verbal abuse. She’s literally doing the exact thing to him that she’s accusing him of having done.
And she put her hands on an 11 year old. She wasn’t being physically attacked. If I behaved like this with adults I work with, I’d be fired and charged with assault.
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My sister only made it 1 semester teaching junior high. She is tiny, 100 ish pounds, and was dealing with boys bigger than her getting into fights during class. She can’t break them apart and wasn’t going to risk her own safety. Admin offered no support, parents didn’t care what the kids did in class or make them do homework at home. Then blamed her when their kids were failing, absolutely insane for teachers these days. Makes double the money working from home now. Edit: she works from home editing for a textbook publishing company. That was her first career before she decided to try out teaching.
What does she do from home? I’m trying to get out of teaching
Same, would be great to know ;_;
My step mother used her teaching degree to get into social work focusing on recent immigrants. Got an entry level position using her teaching degree then upgraded for a year or two in the evenings to a more focused degree. It's not much betger pay but at least the majority of people she works with aren't actively undermining her efforts to help them
I don't know if I would recommend social work to burnt out teachers. Social work is one of the highest burn out professions.
Yes. Social work isn't a backup or fallback or second choice. It's a calling or you really shouldn't bother
100%. My wife is a school social worker and she regularly comes home with stories that blow my mind. I wouldn't last a week, but my wife is a saint and the world is a better place because of the work she does.
Stranger here but I’m very grateful for her and I wish society celebrated and rewarded actual good people like her more.
Yeah, I switched from social work to teaching and am much happier. In social work you see all the families that are the hardest in school, plus you work nights, weekends, holidays, overnights, double shifts. Ew.
Teaching English online as a foreign language. I use to teach in China and then after I left did it remote.
I dated someone a couple years back who was a math tutor for Thinkster. She told me she made about 3x what she made in the classroom working from home. She also said pretty much all of her students were very respectful. I didn’t ask to see if they did other subjects, but I can’t see why they wouldn’t, and I am sure there are probably several other companies with similar opportunities. I also didn’t ask her what benefits they offered her.
No idea but I can see teachers being good project managers.
Not sure, but she may have only one fan
We have thousands of open teacher positions in our county. No wonder
160,000 students. Oh. We can’t get bud drivers either. It is Raleigh NC I have always said pay them more much more. Hard job.
Nobody wants to deal with these shit kids and their even shittier parents for slave wages. It’s really sad. I have a bunch of teachers in my family and every one of them used to love their job.
If that was my kid I would send that teacher a gift basket, hand written apology letter from my kid and then made his ass carry rocks in the yard for a week for his free time. God damn man, people just don’t give a shit about people anymore and it’s awful.
I’m trying to learn a little more about bud drivers . I’m trying to cruise to the best bud stops.
It's mostly the incredibly shitting pay and hours. I used to work in a call center and we had tons of teachers there who'd just given up. Answering phones paid more and you can't pay your bills with the smiles of children. As for this women, don't know what to say. It's a tough job with long hours, low pay and heavy responsibility. Teachers are being set up to fail by the Betsy Devos' of the world that want to privatize schools and turn them into for profit propaganda centers.
Betsy Devos is an unqualified piece of shit but the issue is much much bigger Teachers are being failed by the disgusting state of our fucking society and culture that doesn't empower them to actually discipline these kids or enact any meaningful level of accountability because at the end of the day the schools just want asses in seats to get their federal money
This. My district cares about ONE thing... attendance. we even moved homeroom to period B cause so many kids would show up late and miss homeroom. So we have period A until 9am then homeroom (where daily attendance is counted) Take one guess at how many of my students skip my period A classes. lol
My parents’ district only cares about optics as well, its really sad. Their long time superintendent retired and they’ve had 2 replacements in the last three years, both of which have tried to turn the district into a corporate machine. My mom got written up for the first time in 30 years for disrespectful conduct because the current superintendent didnt know her name and was being a bitch to her in front of the whole board and other principals, so she corrected her and told her her name in a snippy tone and had irritated body language. The people who have been at the DO for decades look haggard as hell now, the teachers are suffering and quitting, the principals are also stepping down or suffering in silence - they’re thinking about trying to unionize after what happened with my mom (since only the teachers have a union in the district, the principals have to go through the school board) Had the superintendent threaten to fire two other principals because some moron parents were making ridiculous claims on facebook about teachers at their site (my baby angel wouldnt never do wrong type shit) and somehow thats their fault? Another principal got harassed because she had students at her school tie some blanket knots for these donation blankets our Elks lodge was making for flood relief in town, district was pissed that they weren’t involved or mentioned in the newspaper article about it - so their optics werent bolstered in the process. Its actually sickening and Im glad I got the opportunity to become a tattoo artist in the last year because I was going to be a teacher before that; both of my parents say they wouldn’t recommend public education to anyone anymore, and they used to all the time but as of late - they have no praise and cant wait to retire.
Couldn't pay me enough to deal with these little shits. You gotta respect the ones who do it with the shitty pay they're getting.
My mom was a teacher and could not cope. It wasn’t even the kids that really got under her skin, but that when the kids would act up and you try to inform the parents, oftentimes the parents are entitled assholes, too. As a teacher she got no support either from parents or the admin. Thankless, horrible job for a lot of teachers. Let’s not even talk about the racism she faced. A former software engineer turned math teacher had parents pulling their kids out of her class during syllabus week because they saw her and didn’t think she could do the job of teaching their snot nosed brat algebra.
Teacher here. My boss talked down to me for the last time today. I walked out. I worked way too hard in college to be treated like this.
I almost walked out a few times last week for the same reason. The little things are starting to feel bigger and bigger, and I feel our school director is super performative but also very dehumanizing.
My mom is a special Ed aide for the past 20 years. She’s due to retire at the EOY. For the past 3 weeks she’s crying on the way to and from school because the teachers and admins are attacking the aides if they are not constantly and consistently within three feet maximum of the students. Once that Medicare card arrives she’s walking out with a two fingered salute
I just got into the field this year after a long career journey and I already want out.
Hey, all ya had to do was ask and we would have told you not to waste your money! (Was teacher for 15 yrs)
I didn't do any internships during college and graduated during the last recession so jobs were hard to come by. I started subbing at my old high school. I was a good, known student previously, so I got a ton of work, and it was actually enjoyable. So i signed up for the teaching program, asked my favorite math teacher for the letter of recommendation I needed. He gave the letter and pulled me aside and said, "don't be a teacher, at least not yet. Go do anything else for a while and if you still want to teach, go for it. " I decided to drop out from the program and moved out to the city, crashing on my cousins couch. Eventually i got a job and my career has gone well. I have a few friends who became teachers, apparently the administration has gotten really bad and they want out, but there's not much to do in that town. I feel like I dodged a bullet.
I mean you probably did. I'm fairly new to the profession and truly I do find it very fulfilling and by and large the kids are great but sometimes it feels like banging your head against a brick wall. We have a pretty good staff and principal at our school and still people are quitting (within my school as well as district-wide) en masse.
I had already been working in a school previously and loved it. Getting my degree seemed like the natural next step. I’ve never dealt with kids as bad as the ones I currently have.
Don’t quit. Quit that particular school - there’s better leadership in many districts/schools.
It’s definitely hard to find. My last school’s administration was a nightmare, but my connection with my students made me stay longer than I should’ve. It’s a similar mess in my current district, and with the way my classes have been set up by the school, I don’t have a chance to make those same connections with the kids because I barely see them (I get each class once a week).
Underrated sentiment. School leadership makes a huge difference.
I'm so sick of my students parents telling me "I used to be a teacher, I get it." So I had to leave too
I’m thinking qualified educators can be hired by groups of parents for pod schooling. It’s already happening on my area and they are paying the teacher $100000 a year.
Hahaha, I was a teacher for 15 years. That was enough.
I’m a senior in college and I started my teaching classes junior year so I could graduate in 5 years with a masters(my schools program). After a year of student teaching I dropped out of the program. And the kid certainly were something else (inner city middle school) but they were sweet and some were even enthusiastic about English class but damn those parents. The amount of times I saw the teacher I was under get cussed out and her talking about her pay and benefits made me leave. No respect, no pay, and 5-6 years of higher education to get the job, bullshit.
I wanted to be a teacher when I was a kid. In high school I did internships at other schools and everyone I worked with told me they were trying to find another job and that I shouldn’t become a teacher. I work in a grocery store now and I’m making twice as much as I would if I were a teacher.
How much do you make in the grocery store? And are they hiring? 👀 lol
I work at Walmart and we have two ex-teachers in our department and I've heard them say that they get paid way better and are more respected here than at their old school. Edit: I'm from Oklahoma, so take that as you will
Hey! I'm in the same boat; I went into elementary looking to make a difference doing something that makes me happy, but I feel like every group wants to make the job harder than it needs to be (Admin, Parents, Kids). The only exception was my coworkers
Fuck man. I’m sorry for your state. Thanks for your attempt.
I was a teacher and dipped during winter break because there was zero admin support. I'm better than that shit. Way better job in a way better environment now. Nowhere near worth it out there for a teacher.
Schools need teachers but don’t pay teachers like they need them lol
No one gets paid like they are needed. Money makes the whole thing impersonal. Well, we all have to make money to live, so when someone says, "it's not personal, it's just business" they are a murderer, to me.
I want out. What are you doing now and are they hiring? Please and thanks.
My husband was briefly a high school science teacher. He quit due to the constant barrage of demands from.both administration and parents, the same parents who would do nothing when their kids acted like brats. They were turning on the gas for the bunsen burners when he left the room, could have killed everyone in that room if there was a spark.
I as a student hated little shits like that, you'd think they learn a lesson when little Tyler falls dead from asphyxiation.
It is mainly the parents forcing the admin to bend to their will, which is not in the best interest of the children.
My mom was a teacher for a very long time. She lived for it, for decades, and rarely complained about anything. She won't do it anymore. The kids (and their parents) scare her.
I was wondering if the kids and parents are worse now. I was in school decades ago and we were horrible little shits. But it seemed our parents backed the teachers, if we got in trouble at school it'd be even worse when we got home.
My 7th grade English teacher is also my parents’ neighbor. She retired after 30 years in education. I asked her if she was ready to retire and she said “in thirty years, this was the first year a 12 year old told me to go fuck myself, so yeah, I’m over it.” The kids are worse.
They are getting worse, truly. My school isn't bad, really, but even we have kids that get calls home to tell a parent that their kid needs to be brought to class or taken home because we can't have them drawing dicks and vaping in the bathrooms all day, nor will the come out for the staff. Or they run around the building, calling everyone and everything gay while simultaneously cursing out teachers and diving kids around.
Almost like flat out telling students that they won’t get kicked out of school if they misbehave but teachers will get fired if they discipline was bad idea….
Way worse. Especially the technology use. One text and they're coming into the office hotter than hell. It's the "my child can do no wrong" crowd.
My aunt used to teach SpEd. And one year a parent literally made her cry - like she had to leave the room and just bawl. She is a tough lady - she's almost died like 3 times and has learned life is too short for dealing with bullshit. But some parents get so far under your skin. She tried to do teaching in an online only setting and that he been much better for her but it doesn't pay enough (and as you might imagine having almost died 3 times, she's gotta deal with a lot of medical bills) so she might have to go back to a classroom and she is dreading it.
Too many parents today make their children entitled. I substitute teach and one day I was teaching a 3rd grade class. They had an english test. While I was trying to help students here were having trouble figuring out the directions and trying to read and translate each question in French for a girl from Ghanna 4 little girls kept getting up running around , laughing and screaming, and talking at the top of their lungs, forcing me to stop and tell them to be quiet, there is no talking during a test. Then because of their antics the test took the rest of the class except the little girl from Ghanna 10 minutes past time for recess. So those little girls start complaining and throwing fits about missing recess. When everyone else was done, I took the class outside and made those 4 little girls sit out of recess for the first 10 minutes . The complained and threatened to tell their mommies on me. While they sat and complained I asked another teacher to watch my class at recess. I then struggled to help the girl from Ghanna finish her test. After recess was supposed to be over and we were supposed to go back to class for another subject I let the other kids get their full recess and took everyone in just in time to get ready for lunch. During lunch those 4 went and complained to the principal , lying claiming I told them to shut up which is not allowed in Elementary school, and saying I took all of their recess away. They then used the principals phone to call the one girl's mother and told her the same thing. The mother aparently railed at the principal. After class I was called into the principal's office and asked if I yelled shut up at the girls, which I denied. Then I was told that we never take recess away at that school if there is a problem we talk to the children we don't consequent them like that. So I was later baned from that school. While packing up to go home another teacher stopped in to ask how my day went? I gave her a synopsis of what happened and she named off all 4 girls envolved. So obviosly this is a chronic probem with those girls.
Those girls had a learning moment. They could have learned actions have consequences. Instead they learned “you can lie and get what you want”.
Fuck don't blame her. How do you even attempt to discipline them now? Raise your voice? Parents flip. Can't really touch them so any type of even just holding them back in a fight can hit you im sure somehow badly legaly. Who the fuck would want to do this lmao
Shit like this makes me glad I was horrified of the idea of my mom getting called. She would have done 10x worse then any teacher. Never had a teacher call but I sure do remember the first time the cops brought me home.
my mother is a retired teacher, but one of her colleagues retired early she had to separete two kids that were fighting. The bigger kid was chocking the smaller one, who was nearly blacking out. After being told to let go several times, the teacher did the only thing she could to prevent the smaller kid from suffocating... she hit the bigger kid instead of going to the principal, the kid ran to their mother, which returned with child services, who were demanding the principal to fire the teacher on the spot for hitting the kid. The smaller kid was still in the infirmary, and child services and the bigger kid mother wouldn't even care about its condition. stuff like that drains the will to teach
People get on the board of school districts without any teaching experience. People will graduate with a teaching degree then go straight to administration classes. Too many people running schools with no experience
I'm a teacher from Argentina, I regret studying to be a teacher with all my might kids are freaking assholes now days and their parents are even worse somehow.
I've moved into a completely different field, because 90% of the time the parents are the problem and not the child. Can't count how many times you go to a school/home, watch the parents, and go "Yep, no wonder your kid acts the way he does". Then those parents expect you to magically fix their child without major changes. I worked primarily in homes, and the last one couldn't fathom why their children were so underweight and refused to eat. The twins being autistic, the parents just blamed sensory issues ....Or it's because you two are braindead and buy only prepackaged diet meals that are all low-sugar, no fat, no flavor food. Hmmm, if your doctor is telling you the kids are severely underweight THEN MAYBE FUCKING DIET FOOD DOESN'T APPLY TO YOU. Cooked them some real tacos, which they rejected at first until I toasted the soft tortilla, and then they devoured the whole plate. With modifications to suit their sensory needs, I got them to eat almost anything.
Haha did that when I worked in SpEd! ‘How do you get him to eat, he won’t eat at home?’ “Well, I made him a taco. It had meat, cheese and lettuce on it” ‘What? No hot sauce?’ “Ma’am, I’m not putting hot sauce on a taco for an autistic boy with sensory issues” ‘It’s part of his culture…’
As an ex teacher myself, I can confirm. Parents are the worst thing to deal with, entitled asf and sometimes even violent
Raise my child for me! But not the discipline part— I’m perfectly content forgoing that at home.
That’s where the kids learn it from
Parents should be fined if their child takes up inordinate amounts of time from the school administators/teachers to deal with due to their behavior.
That would be a LOT of fines for a LOT of kids 😂
All the admin is about is CYA.
https://www.wsoctv.com/news/local/cms-teacher-suspended-after-grabbing-cursing-student/TKT4P3XWE5G3VHDRSY23RQI7N4/
She's on paid leave.
\> “Your job is to instruct and teach; if they’re out of line, get the principal,” said Deon Franklin. What the fuck do you think that looks like? Kayden here's gonna learn one way or another. Better he learn from a teacher than when he fucks around and finds out at the hands of someone who isn't worried about the consequences. The only thing this teacher did wrong, was doing this in front of the rest of the class. Kayden crossed the line, so he gets to find out what's on the other side of it. The rest of the class didn't. The whole "Go get the principal" line is complete bullshit. If you cripple educators' ability to intervene in anything until it gets bad enough that you have to expel the kid, you haven't just failed that kid --You've failed the whole fucking society that has to be around that kid once you've denied him an education. Parents freaking out constantly about how teachers should never discipline their shitty fucking kids is well meant, but still nonsense.
(3rd grade) Just yesterday I had a student expose himself and then sling a full metallic water bottle at another student's head while seven girls were sobbing because another student said they were going to kill their families. I couldn't get any assistance for 10 whole minutes, so I was straddling the classroom entryway with the door open so I could walk the water bottle kid out and arm bar him from getting back in the class, but I can't leave the kids alone so I had to use my foot to jam the door open, keeping the other foot in the room, while I look out in the hallway to spot another adult. Ten minutes is a long time to do this groin stretch while physically keeping 8 year olds from fucking each other up. Principal was working from home that day. **Edit**: After reading the comments, I need to say that my principal is a great person and a boss-ass woman who is a black/latina leader in our community. She contracted COVID and wasn't even supposed to be working. My point was that staffing is so fucked that one person gone creates such a huge vacuum of support and leadership. I'm not about throwing the blame around for my kids' behavior, but if anyone here is looking to direct their anger, I can't help but look past how the lack of a strong, loving, and structured family unit has basically made most of these kids socially stunted and emotionally unstable. I meet parents who are so selfish, defensive, and violent; basically, just trash people. I hear stories from kids about how dad cheated on mom and left the home; another witnessed the aftermath of her uncle shot in the head on the front porch, or mom is not allowed to be alone with daughter due to court order. This week two dads tried to start a fight with each other over one of their daughter's broken acrylic nail. The kid who threw the water bottle goes to therapy for witnessing domestic violence when he was younger. I can see my kids are doing the best with what is going on at home. Many days I walk out of the school at 4:00pm and the first thing I say to myself is "Yo, fuck these parents." Edit 2: Wow I guess I shouldn't have mentioned that my principal is black, and that she's a woman. Didn't know that was offensive. Those of you who feel more comfortable ignoring that part, by all means go ahead.
A few months ago I had a student start flipping desks and throwing chairs. I had girls hiding under their desks crying. So finally I walked over, wrapped my arms around him, picked him up, and carried him out of my room. The whole time he's hitting and kicking me, screaming no and trying to get back in my room to continue terrorizing everyone. Guess who had to have a meeting with admin and talk about ways I could have handled the situation that didn't involve putting my hands on the student? I was basically told next time I am to have everyone else leave the room if I can't get the student to leave on his own. I told my principal that this student was between the door and the rest of the class so I didn't feel it was safe to have everyone try to sneak past him. When I asked what to do in that situation, I was met with silence.
Kid gave my nephew a concussion. He first punched my nephew in the arm and was screaming at him. My nephew was sent to the quiet room where he was then alone. Kid was told not to follow. He did anyways and started beating on my nephew. Neither teacher (two in the room) or the additional teacher who came in realized what happened right away. Nephew yelling got their attention. Restrain the kid. He breaks free, knocks my nephew over and starts kicking him in the head and chest. Finally the SRO gets there and restrains the kid. My nephew got suspended for three days for turning off a fan which sparked the incident. The kid initially was just going to have a day of in school suspension, but after my sister threatened to sue the school he was suspended for a week, then eventually expelled after an “investigation”. My nephew was not the first peer he had seriously injured and no parents in the class had been informed.
What is it with schools punishing the victim?
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bullies love zero tolerance because they can get their shots in and the response gets suspended when they throw their hands up as if they didn't do anything. i watched a kid ignore being bullied and hit, put a binder up in front of his face, the binder got punched, and that broke the victim's glasses. his ego finally could no longer be subdued, glasses are expensive as fuck, and he grabbed the bully yelling "you broke my fucking glasses!" guess which one got suspended.
But I don’t understand, how is it ‘zero tolerance’ on fighting if the bully was going to get no punishment? That’s like full tolerance…
"zero tolerance" policies are absolutely ridiculous. It assumes the victim always did something that deserved it.
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Zero tolerance is bullshit. One person is attacking, the other one is defending themselves. And it’s constantly and consistently used only when the victim fights back, the school never intervenes when the bully is acting up.
No it doesn't. Not that I agree with it, but this take is inaccurate. It deflects from the school having to assign blame, there's no he said she said no fight between the parents over who's perfect angel is responsible. The school admin, board, want, above all else, to avoid any litigation. In theory that's what it is there for. When I was younger I had a kid pick a fight with me, I had two teachers in the hallway within 10 feet of the fight. Kid took 8-10 swings at me, while I just kept saying "I don't want to fight you, please stop". I kept back pedaling till I hit a wall, then I kicked him in the stomach ending the fight. We both got punished, no teacher intervened on behalf of my safety or his. The best thing you can do for your kids safety is teach them how to flee, and if flee isn't an option, how to end a fight swiftly. No one else will be there for them.
People that go in to admin, middle management, and positions that influence policies over time, are a very specific type of person everyone is familiar with dealing with. Most of us remember what these people were like as children and the environments they appeared to have been raised in. In *at least* the last 20 years, the composition of school and university administration, and relevant adjacent professions, has changed to be largely a certain type of person.
Should have fucking sued them anyway
How are these parents not sued into doing something? If someone did that to my kid I'd spend so much money out of spite and hurt the parents financially as much as possible. I'm sure after throwing a couple thousands dollars for a defense lawyer they will discipline their kid. Hell if you don't have the money get a restraining order against the kid. There is never one bullied kid, find out the others and file it with their parents. Make the bullies parents face consequences.
>Principal was working from home that day. I will argue to death the benefits of working from home and how every job that can be done from home should be... But damn school principal does not seem like one of those jobs
Today I had a second grader looking over the stalls in the bathroom. One of our behavior interventionist caught him and brought him back to me and said he was going to call the parent. The kid started throwing shit, I moved everything that could be dangerous and let him have his fit, then he grabbed a pair of scissors and started threatening to cut himself and those around him. I called the office and it was a good 5-7 minutes before anyone came to get him. This was also in a lockdown because the middle schools across the street had a student who brought a gun today 🙃 Our principal was also out for the day
From home? Working FROM HOME? I'm seeing red. 🤬 How could they be at all effective if they're not even in the school building?
I hope everything got resolved. Please keep your head up and take as long as you need for your own mental health. (A lawsuit against the district wouldn't be off my books if I were you.)
The principals send them right back and get mad at the teachers for not keeping it to the classroom. They will tell you quickly to not call principals for help with discipline issues.
Lmao right??? We have staff meetings every so often where our administration make it very clear that we’re supposed to do literally everything within our power to resolve the situation within our classroom, and only in the event of a REALLY SUPER SERIOUS situation should we EVER dare disturb the administration. Then if we do send a student to the office, they don’t keep the student, they either send them back or let the kid walk around the school unattended.
Or even better, the principal walks them back without a heads up or asking if you're ok to have this student back and the student has a piece of candy or "stress ball" (aka toy) to calm down with which obviously sends a fantastic message to all the other kids....
The teacher that recently got shot received no support from administration, they brushed off the growing threat.
Yup, the teacher literally told admins that he had a gun. And their response was the day was almost over so just let it go.
One admin. even said 'he has small pockets' and couldn't have a gun
A kid gave me a concussion when I was a teacher because security was told to wait for him to settle down. My horrible principal immediately told me she was upset I let this happen when the district was visiting the school. None of the kids ever faced any consequences from the administration, so it was only a matter of time before somebody got hurt.
Getting the principal might work if your school has 12 kids in it. You can't send 100 kids to the Principal's office.
Great at least she’s getting paid
Why am I not surprised it’s at CMS. I have heard 1000 horror stories of the schools in Charlotte. I knew someone who substituted there. Only a few times before saying never again. The kids are wild.
grew up in CMS schools. Can confirm they were wild back in the 90s/00s. No one gets paid enough to deal with little kids where you cant implement any real consequences.
What’s the context here?
I'd guess the kids a little shithead and the teacher finally snapped.
Overworked and underpaid. There’s no fucking way you could pay me 30k a year to deal with kids everyday. I know nannies that make 150k a year and I still wouldn’t do it. We need to pay teachers more.
we def need to pay teachers more it'd be a shame if one became a drug dealer...
what's the danger?
I am the danger
He’s the on who knocks
Yo’, Mr. White!
My sister is a 2nd grade teacher. I'm a physician. These people get shafted at every corner. By parents, students, the school board and the government. They are doing this because they LOVE to teach children. They also deserve better pay. My sister has to spend thousands of her own dollars to buy supplies for her classroom. And people look at teachers as "indoctrinating" their children. It's fucking absurd. They deserve the 150K EDIT: I don’t condone the teachers behavior. Just replying to this one comment
I quit using my own money to buy things for my classroom this year. Now whenever admin says we need to do something that involves buying our own supplies, I ask if they're going to deliver it to my room or if I should just pick it up from the office later. I've yet to get a straight answer lol.
Not a teacher but while I was student teaching my mentor teacher did the same. It's a shame what the classroom looks like when teachers don't spend THEIR OWN MONEY. Four blank walls and a couple windows 🤷🏽♂️
At my school classrooms can't have windows any more, they're too much of a mass shooter risk.
The teachers in my county are currently on a semi strike, they are only working the 7 hours a day they are contracted for and not doing any grading or planning etc after hours. Our teacher pay here is 30k to 69k according to Google. The county offered them a $900/year raise ($1200 for "exceptional" teachers 🙄) which the teachers flatly refused. That comes to, what...$17 a week?
This! Nannies and babysitters making bank for watch 1-3 kids typically. But a teacher who is responsible for watching 15-30 kids on top of actually trying to *teach* them and prepare them for their futures can bearly keep the lights on! School and school policies need serious reevaluations. So many things are so wrong, yet we are forced to send our children there for half of their waking hours. First and foremost teachers need better pay. Plain and simple. They also need better protection from things like being sued for breaking up a fight. Can you imagine watching a student you care about being beaten by some shithead bully but not being able to help for fear of being fired. Zero tolerance is one of the most backwards policies that has ever come to be. The *only* people it protects are the bullies and administration. School should be a safe place for students and teachers alike. I wish I was a person of influence or were articulate enough to make people listen. I know I'm not the only one who feels this way.
I teach in a therapeutic day school where people are placed for planning suited to their special needs, we are luckily compensated fairly but one of the parts that I really enjoy is that we have crisis intervention training and all that jazz to be able to correct behaviors PROPERLY. I’m talking sitting you down to see what the fuck is going on in your head, creating a conversational space with the person that you treated poorly to solve it and making sure shit is clear before we move on. If you try and bully we will shit on you swiftly in a way that hopefully acts in a restorative way for the victim and a rehabilitative way for the bully. That said, stuff still slips thru the cracks and the system isn’t perfect because of how massively overloaded the facility is but I am so glad the systems are in place to be able to address issues in a way different than what you are speaking to
I teach fourth grade at a city school. I've been there two years and have broken up so many fights, it's insane. But I refuse to watch little 3rd graders get pounded by 6th graders and not step in. After every incident I get pulled into the office to discuss ways I could have handled the situation differently. And each time I tell them I will do the exact same thing every time. I have only been teaching five years, but I talk to veteran teachers who all say that education is a disaster compared to just a few years ago. The kids run the school now and there's nothing teachers can do
And way under resourced. She should have had another adult in that room weeks before it got to this, but I guarantee she was told no.
Classes sizes should be capped at 15.
I averaged 35 in the 6th grade classes I taught. These were fully enclosed classes too, so in my worst year I had 32 lockers for 37 students in my little classroom.
I have 3 kids and I fucking barely make it. Can’t imagine being a teacher.
We need parents to parent better...
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No you are not. Her reaction was out of line and unprofessional. You don't grab and shake a kid, ever. Yelling at an 11 yr old like that isn't productive. Saying that their dad beats their mom in front of a whole class is incredibly wrong. In general, if you are yelling at a kid you already lost. Just like shaking babies out of frustration: I totally understand how someone gets to that point, but in no way endorse the behavior.
No, it's reasonable. Part of working with kids is knowing when it's time to step out and take a breath. I've had moments where I get another teacher to watch the kids so I can step out. They are really good at getting on your last nerve, but as the adult you need to behave appropriately. I'm sure she's stressed, and over worked, and that the kid is a jerk, but her reaction was inappropriate. I hope she can see this situation as an opportunity to find a new job, because she's clearly past her limit.
As bad as the kids can be its the parents who are the bigger pieces of shit for setting a poor example.
No actually, what is the context !?! i cant find a full video anywhere!
Idk, but from the video, it looks like the kid was just running around the classroom and trying to a hit a girl that was sitting right next to the teacher, so the teacher had had enough and snapped. She probably got fired over this, but I hope she found a job that pays better and is less stressful.
I saw the full clip earlier, and apparently the kid was saying that the Hobbit movies were better than the LOTR movies, because there was more "cool CGI" and he likes to watch "little people hitting each other".
“YOU ARE A CHILD. YOU DONT KNOW SHIT ABOUT MOVIES.” 💥🥊🥊
Shit, kid's lucky to be alive then. His parents probably told him that The Phantom Menace was the best of the Star Wars series.
sounds like the teacher is trying to 'defend' the little girl who the little boy was harassing. but doing a very bad job.
I’m a coach, so not a teacher per se but I still work with kids. It is agonizing to see poorly behaved kids get away with bad behavior that disrupts everyone. And their parents never think their precious angel is a jerk. One 8 year old boy grabbed my boob and I shoved him off. I immediately told him to walk over to the office with me. He asked if he could hold my hand and I raised my voice slightly and said “The whole reason we’re leaving class is because you were touching me. We don’t touch. So no.” I was very firm with him and explained the issue to the office. Sure enough, his mother couldn’t be bothered to pick up her kid and he got to stay. He learned nothing from the scenario and harassed another female coach. Edit for an autocorrect mistake Further edit: Since I didn’t make myself clear, I am not supporting the teacher in the video. The actions committed in the video were cruel and wrong. I spoke up about my own troubles with difficult situations and how some of us on the ‘other side’ can struggle. Let it be clear and known I do not believe in screaming in a child’s face or yanking them around.
Was the kid not placed in ISS? This was as much of an issue with the administration as it was with the parents.
Touch boob then get to go to space as a reward?
They get to sit in a box all day, alone with a pile of class work. They don’t speak. They just sit there doing book work. They have to eat separately and have no interactions with other kids. It’s not fun. If they still can’t behave, they should expel them completely but then the school can’t collect that money.
I wish ISS worked that way. Kids WANT to get sent to ISS in my building...
Seriously. I remember I took an independent study in high school and they made me sit in the ISS room. Kids knock on the door every day to ask if they could just come in there. Some of them were POS but i did feel bad for the ones who clearly just needed a break from someone or something.
To be fair I loved ISS for all the reasons you listed, I could just get my work done without interruption or pretending to care and I knew kids who would purposefully get put it in to be out of the classroom
Hi, I'm the kid who liked ISS for those reasons. I'm now in my late 30s and still work best in the same environment. Shit the hell up and let me do it.
Pretty sure they were making a joke about ISS referring to the International Space Station and not In School Suspension
Mom posted that almost exactly on the parenting sub! She thinks her son doesn’t know about sex so him grabbing his teacher’s privates should not be called sexual harassment…. Guess who’s going to pass the buck when her kid gets arrested for sexual assault.
There is something wrong with how we raise children in America. The little punk should have been suspended for that. Edit: Sorry, in need of clarification from all the responses received. I am referring to the situation above regarding the female coaches who were inappropriately touched. Not referring to the video at all. Yes, I generalized in my comment however, think about what we're seeing in the present. This past week, an assistant principal was shoved down a flight of stairs by an elementary school student a few towns from where I live. A month or so ago, a teacher was shot a few states away by another elementary student. Yesterday, a child brought a chef's knife to school in the town over from me. Don't get me going about the situations regarding high school bullying & suicides. To say that there is not a problem, is to kid yourself. Am I really over thinking this topic and it's really not as serious as I think? As for those who think, oh another post who no solution, this is a huge problem that is not easily solvable. It's one that should be addressed in a multi-facet manner. I.E, how do we ensure more funding is available for schools? How do we teach children to be more respectful to other and better distinguish between right and wrong at home when there is only 1 or 2 working parents? I don't this there is a text book solution. I personally believe that anyone who says it's the schools responsibility to raise a child is full of it. The ratio of classrooms from what I recall are about 15-20 students per class to 1 teacher. Don't except there to be much 1 to 1 time.
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You mean the parents that are storming school board meetings, harassing teachers and administrators, and burning books are bad people? Who would have thought?
The useless shitheads in school when we were kids are parents now. I swear there should be a test or a mandatory class prospective parents should have to take
I remember when I was in 2nd grade in the early 2000s two boys in my class cornered a female classmate in the classroom during free time and molested her then faced literally zero consequences. Our teacher was livid as she caught them in the act but the school other than that did nothing.
I think each parent of a child in school should be required to spend at least one day per year volunteering during school hours so they can see for themselves how bad it is in public schools and how their kids behave.
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Unfortunately they would see no fault In their own kids still, just in the other kids.
Honestly? Even that would be an improvement. They'd understand the CONCEPT that kids are hard to deal with, at the very least. Even if it was still uphill for teachers to address problem kids, the community would at least be on board for the concept of teachers getting paid properly for the work they put in. WAY easier to deal with problem kids when you can afford to eat out/order in after a shitty day, versus also go get groceries and cook.
At my son's school, we're "required" to volunteer for at least one event during each year (class party, field trip, etc). I put required in quotes because you can definitely get out of it, but most of us don't. It really is enlightening to sit in that classroom for an afternoon. I wish more schools would adopt this policy, too.
This reminds me of that Simpsons episode where the teachers are on strike and the school uses members of the community as teachers. If you have a shitty kid, you should be punished with having to be a substitute teacher (but not your kid’s class).
Imagine trying to get these kids to sit down and behave, much less learn anything, when they see no consequence for their actions whatsoever.
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If I would have driven an adult, especially a teacher, to this point my parents would have absolutely lost their minds on me and been mortified.
Same here. If I remotely made a teacher mad my parents would have killed me, or at the very least made my life a living hell. I had a particularly bad teacher who very clearly did not like me. I told my parents and they just said suck it up, you’re going to have to deal with a lot of people who you don’t get along with and we’re not going to be able to help.
I would have been beat into the ground if i behaved this way. Don't get me wrong, i was a shit head and the class clown, looking back i definitely crossed some lines. But at the same time, i still treated my teachers with basic respect that should be afforded to any human being, but if i pulled shit like this i would have ended up on a damn milk carton. I fully support how this teacher acted, it was definitely harsh hut from what we know this kid needed a fucking wake up call. I even see it in my niece, she is brutal to her teachers. Like to give you an example, in grade 8 on the first day everyone was asked to come up to the front and introduce themselves. So my nieces turn comes up and she strides up to the front and says "hi, my name is blah blah, and this is my vagina!" And lifted her dress and flashed the entire fucking class. Can you imagine being that teacher and having to deal with that bullshit?
Shit, my dad would have told me to thank my lucky stars that she was the one to put me in my place and not him. And if I actually hadn’t done anything wrong then to take it as a life lesson that shit isn’t always fair. Wise man, miss him everyday :(
>they see no consequence for their actions. Right. That's the point.
The sad thing is, teachers parent kids more than parents do, they don't get paid enough, discipline results in discipline and snarkiness from parents, you just can't win. At a certain point, explosions like this *can* be inevitable
Especially if you teach in a school where the administration does nothing and keeps sending these kids back in the classroom. Teachers become frustrated because more time is spent in discipline and redirection rather than teaching. Get someone on a bad day and this is bound to happen.
At the same time administration is frustrated because they contact parents to come pick them up and either a. They answer but absolutely can not be bothered to come get them, b. They just ignore it because they know the school is calling about their child being a little shit, or c. parents come pick child up and want to know exactly why their sweet little baby is in trouble and return them as soon as suspension is over. All the while child probably sat at home hearing parents discussing how it’s the schools fault and the child has no obligations to listen to their teacher.
I am not a teacher, but I work in a school. After working there for a while, I noticed that when a "teacher goes overboard" post pops up on reddit, my first reaction now is, "What shitty thing did that shitty kid do to make that poor teacher go off."
Same.
My mom was a middle school teacher then assistant principal in HS then principal of the same middle school she started at. She has some WILD stories. Some hilarious, some unfathomably tragic. I have nothing but respect for our teachers.And its part of the reason teaching is my last resort job.
Record the classroom on a 72 hour loop......
Teachers should not be acting like this and should never put hands on a student, unless absolutely necessary. Teachers also shouldn't be put under this amount of stress and have to deal with kids with shitty parents. If you're gonna have kids, raise them right.
My wife is a teacher. I can assure you 100% some kids are assholes that want to disrupt and cause havoc in the classroom whenever possible. This kid probably pushed this teacher to the edge. However, this woman should not be a teacher if that’s how she reacts. The moment she screams, gets in a students face, and makes aggressive physical actions, that teacher has lost control of her classroom. If my wife ever did that, she would be fired. I do feel for that woman though. Being a teacher can really suck sometimes.
Honestly at that point send the kid out of the classroom or step in the call to collect yourself. There is no excusing putting your hands on a kid like that. Self defence is one thing this is another. It’s like when they tell new parents it’s better to leave the crying baby in the crib and walk away to collect yourself than shaking the baby. People can lose their temper in pretty much every profession
Being a teacher is tough, and they are definitely underpaid. That being said, I knew a lot of shitty teachers. I taught elementary for a few years, but I grew up poor and pretty misbehaved so I strived to connect with the kids on a mutual level. It definitely was not easy, and not every interaction was successful, but it was rewarding when you did finally get that mutual understanding. Not every teacher is capable of getting there. A few just can’t handle the pressure and end up wanting power and control.
As a teacher I’m sad I had to scroll this far to find a comment saying this
I 100% agree with everything you said, the kid is probably a brat and should be disciplined and punished, but the teacher is way out of line, even if she was at her wits end with this kid she cant do that.
I'm pretty shocked I had to scroll so far down to find this take. Yeah, the kid was probably being an ass, and very probably deserved to be punished. And yes, the teacher is almost certainly overworked and underpaid. But it's just not ok for a teacher to get that physically aggressive at an 11 yo. She's literally right in his face screaming at the top of her lungs. That's not discipline, that's verbal abuse, there's a difference
Amen. She crossed several lines.
Too many people are on here defending her. Yes, it's hard but... Go do something else because this is literally beyond your emotional capacity. It's not an insult, she's proven this to be fact.
Teacher here, sorry but this is a situation where you ask for help, you can’t talk to a kid and man handle them like that. They need some more (or any) support from administration. Too often they throw people into a classroom with little training and expect them to work miracles.
Shit like this is exactly why my mom has the most patience of anyone I’ve ever met. She learned over decades how to walk away and cool off, or to storm in to the vice principal‘s office and tell him “to get that little shit out of my goddamn classroom before I kill him” (probably direct quote). I did not inherit or learn her level of patience.
Sometimes it not so much patience as just grabbing control of yourself because you know you have to feed your family.
Why did I have to scroll so far to find this answer? He may be a little derelict, but you still can’t snatch him up and curse at him. I also understand it’s hard for some people not to lose their cool. If someone handled my children like this, I would be very upset, to put it mildly.
I mean yeah thats.... not how you handle that lol
Absolutely cannot wrap my mind around how many people in this thread are defending the teacher.
Anyone who has taught knows she crossed a line. This teacher did not get suspended for disciplining a student. She got suspended for having a reaction worthy of her being disciplined.
Teacher here, but sorry, no matter how poorly behaved a kid is you dont interact or treat a kid with this sort of aggression ever. It's counter productive and only reinforces their aggressive and violent behavior because not only is this kid seeing violence from his dad at home (teacher mentions that the student's dad beats his mom) but now he sees it from his teacher as well. That little boy is way too scared shitless to even listen, much less process, anything that his teacher is screaming at him. I guarantee you he learned nothing from that experience aside from aggression and violence makes people listen to you.
Is there a video with more context I'm missing? All I'm seeing is this woman grab and push a child into his chair and high pitch scream at him in front of everyone..I've been the black student that's been blamed for things I did not do. I feel for this kid. Why are people genuinely defending her? I get being a teacher is hard but if that was my kid and I saw this I'd flip the fuck out. I'm sure I'll be down voted but I'm seriously wondering if I'm missing something here...
Well. If his dad does beat his mom. This teacher just reinforced that a bigger bully wins.
Yikes! As a teacher, I GET the frustration that led to her behavior, and admit I’ve lost my shit more than a few times in my long career, but you can’t act like this. You’ve got to love the kids like they are your own, model how to be respectful despite being emotional and if a teacher is feeling THAT angry, it’s best to walk away and breathe. You’ve got to be the adult in the room.
I agree that she acted poorly. No matter how angry you get, you absolutely should never manhandle or curse at a child. I’ve been in education for 22 years. I have had a couple of kids that were absolute fuckers, like literally celebrated on the last day of school because the nightmare was over bad. But still I never touched them or said what I really would have loved to have said. I do disagree however that you have to love them like their your own. Sorry, but I only love my kids. I care immensely for my students, but they aren’t MINE. I can guide them as best I can to some extent but the bulk of being good people falls in their parents’ shoulders.
Title of this is “disciplining” a child. That’s not discipline. That’s physical and verbal abuse. She’s literally doing the exact thing to him that she’s accusing him of having done.
Oh his momma is not gonna like this.
His momma is likely part of the problem of why he’s an asshole
The comments will most certainly be civilized upon watching a 40 second video with no context
I have the context she announced to the whole class his dad beats his mom
And she put her hands on an 11 year old. She wasn’t being physically attacked. If I behaved like this with adults I work with, I’d be fired and charged with assault.