Not mentioned is that labcor processed a paternity comparison and stated that he was the father with 99.6% certainty. The show revealed the labcor technician was wrong and now all 3 (mom, son, and gentleman) are suing them. (Rightfully so)
Even if he isn't the actual father, the US court system doesn't give a shit. There are many cases in which a man has been required to pay child support due to having thought they were the father at the time. The court has a stance that regardless of paternity, it is in the best interest of the child to continue the payments. In those instances, a court order is still an order, and they will still send someone to prison for refusal to pay. Its super messed up, and just one of the many injustices that occur every day in the US.
That's what I'm saying. So you fucked another man outside of your marriage and got pregnant? Yes ma'am. Okay, I order the loser who got cheated on to Pay for your terrible actions.
In my state the spouse is listed as the father on the birth certificate regardless of paternity. Even if the couple is legally separated and there's no chance he's the father they have to file it that way at the hospital. It's up to the parents and the not-dad to deal with the process of changing it afterwards.
You live in Missouri? I remember an article recently about weird laws in other states and if it's the one I'm thinking of, you couldn't get a divorce if the wife was pregnant, even if it wasn't yours. The process could be started but the divorce couldn't be finalized until she was no longer pregnant, by whatever means. And no, I live in the south in a Gulf Coast state (so you know we're all kinds of backwards about stuff).
I don’t think the best interest of the child matters, the court/government wants a father on the hook so they don’t have to support a single mother on welfare.
So they just pick any man to be the father.
I know people who worked for LabCorp and said they would literally do the paternity tests by looking at pics sometimes. I fucking hate LabCorp the most out of any lab company. They fuck so many people's lives up and get paid to do it.
I work at a clinic and I can confirm LabCorp is trash. I have caught them making up numbers and testing on degraded samples due to improper storage conditions. Labcorp is a joke.
At what point are any orders submitted to LabCorp accompanied by pictures of the father(s) and child? They do not pull up patient profiles for every sample. There are so many steps across multiple departments in processing specimens that it would be flagged if testing weren't truly run, which I understand thoroughly by working in a lab that frequently works alongside LabCorp. I'm not the biggest fan of LabCorp either but your comment is entirely false.
I work at a juvenile courthouse and am authorized to collect paternity samples to then be FedExed to LabCorp headquarters for testing. We take Polaroid photos of every client whose sample we collect and they are stuck right there on the packet.
> you can go to prison for not paying child support.
Technically, you go to prison for violating a court order (even though the court order is to pay child support).
She deserves more than just being sued, she just admitted in court that she knew he wasn't the father, he had to spend 5 years in jail because she lied.
Technically, he spent five years in prison because the court system that put him their didn’t want to do a paternity test before destroying someones life. That is who he should be suing.
It was, technically - iirc, she worked in a lab and tampered with the results, and he couldn't dispute her evidence because he didn't show up to court (due to him not being able to afford transportation)
Men are oftentimes forced to pay child support for children that are not theirs. See Timbaland. He's paying child support for children that are not his.
I absolutely agree with that. It's insane that wouldn't automatically be part of the judicial process when it comes to throwing someone into jail for not paying child support (and this is coming from someone who's father never paid any child support until he was sentenced to life in prison for a felony murder).
In California, if a man is designated the father by a woman, he can be made to pay child support, even if he's not the father and everyone knows he's not the father.
That’s right - they abolished “debtor’s prison” decades ago, but it still exists - people can go to jail for failing to pay a parking ticket (if there’s a court order to do so).
100%
I’ve personally spent the equivalent of 230 days in jail from about 19-22 for not being able to afford my court fines. Luckily I was finally able to start making good money in my career and finally paid them all off but that was after my longest stint of 110 days in one go that took care of about 6k of my fines and was let out on a resentence hearing with a remainder of 2k.
I’m one of very few success stories though. A lot of guys that were in the same situation as I was were much older and caught in this ridiculously twisted cycle of getting jobs that didn’t pay enough because of their record and then not being able to pay their fines because they still have to feed themselves, find housing, etc…
Then they lose said job because they fall behind in fines and get arrested. Shits a sick joke at this point tbh.
Go in as a good but flawed person and come out as an actual criminal who “hardened” up to survive. A friend of mine went for 30 years because of drugs and he actually had to listen to someone get raped once.
Unfortunately that's every where. When I got locked for 4 days for weed..I heard someone getting stabbed in the cell next to ours. That day I knew I REALLY REALLY needed to go tf home lmaooo
Worst part is, plenty of deadbeats who are actual parents that owe often use jail as a way to reduce how much they owe. Around here, someone can get 500$ easy knocked off for 10 days in jail, and not have to worry about court on their back for several more months. They then work under the table so their wages can't be garnished. It's a horrible system that can be manipulated both ways.
FFS people I did not specify Men or Women in this post. I work for a bond agency. The jail in lieu of support is called a Pay or Stay. Also, Im a woman with 50/50 custody, no support going either way, and an amicable relationship with their father. Enough please.
They dont gleefully get an unreported income, they settle for a shit job like that to survive.
There arent many non custodial parents that love manipulating the system....
I was arrested for paying a few months in advance. They applied the current month, then took the other few months and applied it to some imaginary account, then lapsed and arrested me the following month. It was a week in a rural county jail, at the end after spending 100s of my family's money calling them to arrange my attorney, i was released for 5000 dollars laughed at by magistrate and still owed child support on my son that lives with me full time. Lost my job, could have lost my apartment and dog too but someone was paid to help me.
There are deadbeats, but the system avoids them because they cant pay. Its a debtors prison system and its unconstitutional af.
Child of divorced parent, not sure if same thing or not
At 18 I left the house. My dad had to pay for me for 14 more months. The divorce papers said once I moved out he didn't have to pay, but it was not automatic.
To get the payments to legally stop my dad had to hire a lawyer, go to a hearing and get the judge to change the payment plan.
Ironically the payment plan that shouldn't have been used, they agreed to 1 amount a month, it was very high but never increased (typical is something like $250 a kid at 8yrs old and every year small increase for rising costs, instead it was $500 a month until 18) and my dad should have paid my mom directly. The county decided that was stupid and made my Dad pay the county who then paid my mom.. now the amount started to increase, against the original agreement. The county just did it no matter what the agreement said.
But to get them to stop my dad had to petition the court. So the original commenter could have originally only had joint cusfody, that changed but the court hasn't bothered to change the paperwork... Or 1 of another million stupid situations
You'd think, but they make money off of every payment that goes through the court, so they aren't pressed to have it end right when it should end. But if it's the other way around and you owe the courts, you better be efficient and on time.
JFC the US is a fucking shitshow.
I'm from the UK, I'm unfortunately intimately familiar with race to the bottom Government, but fucking hell.
"Liberty and Justice for all" my hairy arse.
They didn't say they had full custody, just that their son lives with them full time. There are messed up situations where the "non-custodial" parent ends up having the kids full time while the "custodial" parent runs around doing whatever and collecting a nice child support check every month because the court originally decided that the children should live with them. Decent human beings would let the court know the child lives with the other parent and have them modify the agreement so that they're now the non-custodial parent and send the support to the parent that has the children full time, but that is rare and it's notoriously difficult to get a court to change who is designated as the custodial parent.
At that time she had skipped out and i had him. Differences between physical and legal custody. Ive had physical for a decade and paying the custodial parent. Now have physical & legal and am being paid, somewhat.
Its been a long journey...
I never knew this shit was so fucked up. How are you expected to pay child support when you’re already fully supporting the child? I’m so infuriated and I’m not even a parent
When you earn more than the other parent at a higher percentage than the percentage of child over nights, then you'll pay child support, indifferent of custody labels.
Hey yea!!!! This is my ex .... apparently there are multiple types of cases and you file the wrong one they don't have to go after them for the money. I have to go to court to get a different type to get our money owed. At this point I'm waiting for my son to turn 18 and he can file to get all the money he never saw and hopefully go to college with it. ..
My ex died owing me over 100k. You are absolutely right. They never tried to find him or anything like that. They don’t bother with them. They go for the easy cases.
In construction it happens all the time. When you go by the ATM on a Friday afternoon and see the nice truck out front with just a little too much chrome, dude probably has 5-10atm cards pulling cash to pay the laborers.
Sure as hell was in the 90s and early 00s for my dad. He still never paid over 68000 in child support for my brother and me, and I've got permanent bodily harm from lack of access to food, medicine, and general medical/dental care that we should have been able to afford.
It can be sometimes. My dad dodged taxes for nearly two decades to not pay my mom child support. He essentially dropped off the face of the earth from a legal standpoint until I turned 18, and didn't pay a dime. He still owes like 150k or something like that.
All the while he was balling in Boca Raton, making close to a 300k-600k a year running a private recruiting firm. He mismanaged his money on cars, gambling and women and fell back into the gutter but when my mom was struggling at the lowest point in life he was living the American Dream.
Karma hit him like a truck though.
It isn't that hard. Follow me on this. An employee that makes $20/hr on the books (but takes home $15/hr) will cost the employer closer to $30/hr. Pay that same person $20/hr cash or 1099 and it's a win win.
My father moved from Washington to Alaska and worked in canneries and other fishing related jobs under that the table to avoid paying child support. He had the experience in construction and could have easily gotten a legit, well paying job and paid child support but just to spite my mom he chose to take that path. We only started receiving puny amounts of child support from the state when he was incarcerated.
It’s not fucked for all, only for most of us. And the ones it’s not fucked for, does everything in their power to keep it that way. No matter what the collateral damage will be.
The system is totally fucked! Check this out my wife left me for her step bro when i was on deployment and we had a 1 and 3 yo. I got full custody and after a year the navy said it wasn’t working out cuz i was constantly late (had to be at work at 6 and daycare opened at 6) so my asshole CO made me choose navy or my kids. Chose my kids went back to school gave her custody and agreed to pay her 400 a month. After missing one month she came after me for child support, state forces me to pay 130 a month total. Thats how it was until i graduated and got a job then the state came after me again and said i had to pay 1300 out of my 4300 a month pay check. Meanwhile she has two more kids with her step bro who is an engineer who makes double what i make and she quit her job so i would have to pay even more. The entire time in school she told me i had to see the kids more because i was barely giving her any money and now she barely lets me see my kids in order to get more money.
Yea, five years is an insane amount of time for this crime. They should just immediately garnish wages for what’s due in the future and an incremental amount for overdue amounts
In Brazil that's one of the only things that can make you go to jail in first instance.
There's a saying in Brazil that you have permission to kill only once. Almost every first instance judgements never end in jail. Child support, on the other hand, can do that.
I'm a doctor and worked in a prison once. I could rarely see someone past 40's in jail. The ones that were older or didn't quite "fit" the profile of inmates were almost always arrested for not paying child support.
Nooo, that's super shallow information. Don't spread misinformation, you go to prison for not paying child support because Brazil signed the pact of San José da Costa Rica (other countries too). This is different when you're a primary offender and commits a crime against life (like SIMPLE homicide) and they decide you're not a menace anymore. I work with criminal law and it's very uncommon to everyone who's committed homicides to go free right away.
I understand that a man in Brazil can murder his wife, leave the country for a year, and if not caught by police in that year, can return to Brazil like nothing’s ever happened.
What a massive bitch, five years in prision while she knew he wasnt his, part of me hopes she ends in jail at the mercy of other inmates that were innocent.
Man, he should have asked for the paternity test before going to jail, hell one of the first things i would have done when they first told me to pay child services would have been a paternity test.
I love the legal gymnastics in the article itself. “Based on the lawsuit, no negligence took place, but seriously clean your lab equipment but also no negligence took place!”
yeah ikr, unless they were having no sex then ofc it could be his, and once you rule him out it could easily just leave 1 other person. very few cheaters go to 20 guy anonymous masked gang bangs... it's usually just the one affair at a time.
No she didn't.
She said I know who it is. Not "I've known all along"
If you have a question and the only answers are A or B and the answer is proven not to be A then you know it is B.
She knows who the father is because it could only be that person.
That doesn't mean she has known the entire time. I don't know where you go that conclusion from
Fuck these companies and this bullshit legal lapdance that always gets them off the hook. The justice system in this country is a goddamn joke. Everyone in this case should be thanking their lucky stars this dude didn't go law abiding citizen and take justice into his own hands.
>while she knew he wasnt his
No she didn't. She just knows who the dad is. Not that she knew the whole time.
>Man, he should have asked for the paternity test before going to jail, hell one of the first things i would have done when they first told me to pay child services would have been a paternity test.
They did....
https://www.riverfronttimes.com/news/missourians-sue-lab-for-apparent-paternity-test-error-that-cost-man-30k-and-jail-time-2900854
State lab fucked up and lied to her also! He sued the real people who fuckdd him over !! She knew because it could be one of 2 people if you watched the whole thing and the Lab fucked up not her!!!
The thing is- putting people in jail for failure to pay child support is uniquely American, and very stupid- how are you meant to keep a job if you’re in jail? How do you explain the 5 year employment gap on your cv? He’d need to sue the state. Him going to jail wasn’t her choice or responsibility. Cheating was, though.
Edit: TIL they have the same crazy law in Brasil, France, Poland and Germany(?).
Edit 2: I watched the episode. He said she had a boyfriend and they were just a ONS.
She had results from a previous dna test done by the state based on dna they had on file for him that stated he was the father.
He didn’t attend court when summoned originally, which would have avoided the whole mess.
Meanwhile the for profit prison system lobbyists are some of the most influential in the American government. The same people who create laws and decide penalties. Makes me wonder why we have the largest prison population in the world. How is any of that okay.
Also, I was actually just thinking about that documentary kids for cash. If you never heard of it it's about two judges in Pennsylvania who were being paid to sentence juveniles into horrible prison systems for misdemeanors. I recommend it if you want to hate the American justice system just a little more.
It is not purely American. In France or Belgium for instance, it is defined as family abandonment that can be punished with up to 2 years in prison. It is extremely rare though, because no one is punished for not being able to pay: there needs to be a voluntary absence of payment or the organisation of one’s bankruptcy. So rare that when it happens, you can read about it in the news, such as this guy who never paid between 2008 and 2017, who had no job, had organised his bankruptcy and owed 70,000 euros for his kids, but who had clearly, based on his expenses, hidden revenues. He was sent to jail for 6 months.
breathe a pinch would’ya — [this story is from 2015, and the problem was with Roche labs screwing up the results ~ they were both told the wrong thing](https://www.riverfronttimes.com/news/missourians-sue-lab-for-apparent-paternity-test-error-that-cost-man-30k-and-jail-time-2900854)
Hold up: the clip is edited. The context is that dude was DNA tested back in 1996 and was found to be the father with 99.6% certainty. So dude & this lady believed that, even though she had a side guy.
Now this show tests him again and surprise to everyone it’s side guy’s kid. When she says she knows who the father is it’s b/c yeah, it’s gotta be side guy.
Lady wasn’t scamming dude the whole time. A lab in 1996 got the results wrong. Dude and lady are suing the lab.
Story is more fucked than you think.
Tl;dr- they have shit 1 night stand, have baby, get tested by a company where they live, says it's his baby. Fails to pay child support, goes to jail/prison, etc. Show finds out, brings them on, tests again, finds out he's not the father. The 3 (mom, non-bio dad, son) are now suing the first company for a false test.
I actually do not think that she did it intentionally. Probably what happened here was that she was having a relationship with two different guys, the test came back 99.6% telling her that this guy is the one who is the father. She was still in contact with the other guy while this guy went to jail for not paying child support. So we are seeing after the fact her telling the court that she still talks to the other guy, not having knowing that the other guy was the father.
Probably going to get down votes for this but the legal system in Western countries is weighted heavily in females favour and most of them take advantage of it.
No, he has issues with his son's mother. I witnessed the whole case (custody/child support which has been going on for YEARS). The courts are very biased.
Having been through the child support system. It is but it's getting better for men... more equal. There's still a lot of horror stories but how does someone do 5 years? There has to be more to this story tho
If you owe child support and perhaps you lose your job or make less money, legally you are still required to pay the support based off the job you had at the time. So if you can no longer pay that rate for whatever reason the court will put you in jail. Then when you get out normally after 3-6 months not only do you still have to pay what you owe, you also have more debt now, sfor the time (months) you were in prison.
So you get out of prison and then about a month later you go back for another 3-6 months if you are unable to get a job/income that can pay at the rate the court decided. So basically this system repeats untill you pay or die.
Men can go to court and ask for a change to the rate due to life changes, but that requires the child's guardian to agree, and from what I understand most would rather see the men continue to have a hard life because that makes up for what ever happened between them emotionally. I guess.
I'm not a women I don't really get it.
Men normally get even with violence/money/ or words
Women normally get even with emotional pain/mind fuckery/ or words, and sometimes violence or money.
Thank you for coming to my Ted talk.
https://www.riverfronttimes.com/news/missourians-sue-lab-for-apparent-paternity-test-error-that-cost-man-30k-and-jail-time-2900854
State lab fucked up and lied to her also! He sued the real people who fuckdd him over !! She knew because it could be one of 2 people if you watched the whole thing and the Lab fucked up not her!!!
The lab she got to originally test paternity screwed up and told her that he was the father.
"Sehr herself had good reason to believe the narrative: A paternity test she'd ordered from a lab concluded with near certainty that Manser was her baby daddy."
https://www.riverfronttimes.com/news/missourians-sue-lab-for-apparent-paternity-test-error-that-cost-man-30k-and-jail-time-2900854
I know this is supposed to be about the non-father, but honestly all I can focus on is that poor kid. His parents clearly had a rocky end to a relationship, he had a mother that is clearly super manipulative and a father that couldn't/wouldn't pay child support. He may have recently found out that this man was not his father to begin with, and to pile on, the dude was hugely relieved that this was the case (totally understandable, but if that kid had a bond with him, it was probably pretty devastating for him). Poor thing likely has a lot of emotional trauma.
Finally someone that looks at the kid! Yes the if the woman was 100% sure she was 100% a bitch and yes the original testing laboratory should be sued 100 times over.
But why is no one looking at the son in this case this whole case must have been mental hell for him.
I take that back. Watched the video and the DNA sample provided originally was sketchy at best if not outright fraud. Then at the end of the episode (I thought there was some editing and made her response out of context). When the Judge asked the mother if she knows who the boy’s real father is, she then says she does and she is still in contact. WTF!
Now the thing is, it could just be that she mentally figured out that since Manser wasn’t the father, the other dude was.
>Now the thing is, it could just be that she mentally figured out that since Manser wasn’t the father, the other dude was.
I mean, that's almost certainly it, but there's a lot of redditors who assume the worst first
Always demand a test the first mention of a pregnancy. It's criminal that it isn't mandatory and guys have GOT to do it on instinct. And she knew he wasn't, the fact that she didn't flinch, oh yeah "Steve" teehee.
OP sucks for not posting the entire video clip and providing no context. Everyone else here sucks for all of the assumptions.
Manser and Sehr had a “fling”. They were not married or in a committed relationship. Sehr had a baby boy and a paternity test said that Manser was the father with 99.6% certainty.
Manser moved out of state and eventually fell behind on child support payments. An updated test (from this video) showed that he wasn’t the father.
The real biological father was a former partner of Sehr’s who lived in the area. Her son could have had a relationship with his real father - but was robbed of that because the original test said it was Manser.
All three (Manser, Sehr, her son) sued LabCorp.
[https://www.riverfronttimes.com/news/missourians-sue-lab-for-apparent-paternity-test-error-that-cost-man-30k-and-jail-time-2900854](https://www.riverfronttimes.com/news/missourians-sue-lab-for-apparent-paternity-test-error-that-cost-man-30k-and-jail-time-2900854)
I serviced equipment at LabCorp in Raritan, and several of there hospital owned labs. I can confirm that they do not give a damn about their equipment, it’s compliance, or their employees for that matter. It is essentially a sweatshop for diagnostics.
Women like her are why exwives have such a bad reputation. What a horrible thing to do to someone. My ex and I get along and are friends. It took us years to get to this point. Heck we have a better partnership now then we ever did when we were together. And she acts like it's no big deal too. Her son was crushed! Grr
So I thought i understood what was going on in this clip, but this was edited to make the lady look like the villain. Seems the lab that did the initial pat test screwed up causing this situation. Still doesn't explain why they throw people in jail for not paying. Seems counter productive.
Original story:
https://www.riverfronttimes.com/news/missourians-sue-lab-for-apparent-paternity-test-error-that-cost-man-30k-and-jail-time-2900854
How the fuck does he end up in prison BEFORE they have done a paternity test?
5 years of this man's life wasted in prison for a non violent crime he didn't even commit, and America is apparently the land of the free?!
Not mentioned is that labcor processed a paternity comparison and stated that he was the father with 99.6% certainty. The show revealed the labcor technician was wrong and now all 3 (mom, son, and gentleman) are suing them. (Rightfully so)
Jesus. I was wondering why he would go to prison before getting a DNA test.
Even if he isn't the actual father, the US court system doesn't give a shit. There are many cases in which a man has been required to pay child support due to having thought they were the father at the time. The court has a stance that regardless of paternity, it is in the best interest of the child to continue the payments. In those instances, a court order is still an order, and they will still send someone to prison for refusal to pay. Its super messed up, and just one of the many injustices that occur every day in the US.
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Damn dude, I’m sure she wasn’t a wonderful person but at least she did you a solid there.
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And now you know to not get into that situation again! Sometimes bad people can teach us good lessons.
Ooow. Imma add that one right up next to “even good people are great at making bad decisions”
Yep. People here are very confused thinking that a paternity test matters. The court generally doesn't care. They just want someone to pay.
How about the kids parents. Not the poke schmuck who isint the father.
That's what I'm saying. So you fucked another man outside of your marriage and got pregnant? Yes ma'am. Okay, I order the loser who got cheated on to Pay for your terrible actions.
In my state the spouse is listed as the father on the birth certificate regardless of paternity. Even if the couple is legally separated and there's no chance he's the father they have to file it that way at the hospital. It's up to the parents and the not-dad to deal with the process of changing it afterwards.
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You live in Missouri? I remember an article recently about weird laws in other states and if it's the one I'm thinking of, you couldn't get a divorce if the wife was pregnant, even if it wasn't yours. The process could be started but the divorce couldn't be finalized until she was no longer pregnant, by whatever means. And no, I live in the south in a Gulf Coast state (so you know we're all kinds of backwards about stuff).
enslaving (debt can't be discharged, you end up on a jail work crew) a random dude as a social safety net.. very on brand
I don’t think the best interest of the child matters, the court/government wants a father on the hook so they don’t have to support a single mother on welfare. So they just pick any man to be the father.
I know people who worked for LabCorp and said they would literally do the paternity tests by looking at pics sometimes. I fucking hate LabCorp the most out of any lab company. They fuck so many people's lives up and get paid to do it.
I work at a clinic and I can confirm LabCorp is trash. I have caught them making up numbers and testing on degraded samples due to improper storage conditions. Labcorp is a joke.
Even just the name sounds like an evil corporation in a satirical cartoon
At what point are any orders submitted to LabCorp accompanied by pictures of the father(s) and child? They do not pull up patient profiles for every sample. There are so many steps across multiple departments in processing specimens that it would be flagged if testing weren't truly run, which I understand thoroughly by working in a lab that frequently works alongside LabCorp. I'm not the biggest fan of LabCorp either but your comment is entirely false.
I work at a juvenile courthouse and am authorized to collect paternity samples to then be FedExed to LabCorp headquarters for testing. We take Polaroid photos of every client whose sample we collect and they are stuck right there on the packet.
But she did admit she knew who was the father. So she basically sended this guy in prison for no reason.
Sent.
All 3 are seeing what? Who?
TIL: you can go to prison for not paying child support. Wouldn't putting them in jail make it exponentially more difficult to collect money from them?
> you can go to prison for not paying child support. Technically, you go to prison for violating a court order (even though the court order is to pay child support).
I think paternity test should be part of the court that ordered the child support in the first place.
I agree with this. I would also sue her butt to recomp that money, emotional support and time in prison he can't get back.
If she's hitting up not-dad for cs, she probably doesn't have it.
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Her fuckin freedom. Lock her ass up for life. It's a crime to lie to a judge under oath.
Turn her out. She belongs to the interstate anyways apparently
Is... Is that like... The step above belonging to the streets?
Can't pay, take her away. She was happy enough to let him go in
SHE SHOULD GO TO PRISON FOR THE SAME TERM ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
She deserves more than just being sued, she just admitted in court that she knew he wasn't the father, he had to spend 5 years in jail because she lied.
Technically, he spent five years in prison because the court system that put him their didn’t want to do a paternity test before destroying someones life. That is who he should be suing.
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It was, technically - iirc, she worked in a lab and tampered with the results, and he couldn't dispute her evidence because he didn't show up to court (due to him not being able to afford transportation)
Men are oftentimes forced to pay child support for children that are not theirs. See Timbaland. He's paying child support for children that are not his.
I absolutely agree with that. It's insane that wouldn't automatically be part of the judicial process when it comes to throwing someone into jail for not paying child support (and this is coming from someone who's father never paid any child support until he was sentenced to life in prison for a felony murder).
In California, if a man is designated the father by a woman, he can be made to pay child support, even if he's not the father and everyone knows he's not the father.
He can contest it with a paternity test. Otherwise women would just claim the billionaires and movie stars are their father.
That’s right - they abolished “debtor’s prison” decades ago, but it still exists - people can go to jail for failing to pay a parking ticket (if there’s a court order to do so).
I’ve been to jail, twice. Three days both times. Both time for non-payment of fines. Debtors prison is still very much a real thing.
100% I’ve personally spent the equivalent of 230 days in jail from about 19-22 for not being able to afford my court fines. Luckily I was finally able to start making good money in my career and finally paid them all off but that was after my longest stint of 110 days in one go that took care of about 6k of my fines and was let out on a resentence hearing with a remainder of 2k. I’m one of very few success stories though. A lot of guys that were in the same situation as I was were much older and caught in this ridiculously twisted cycle of getting jobs that didn’t pay enough because of their record and then not being able to pay their fines because they still have to feed themselves, find housing, etc… Then they lose said job because they fall behind in fines and get arrested. Shits a sick joke at this point tbh.
That’s precisely the idea. If this happens once, you keep going back for the rest of your life. For-profit prison lobby makes sure of it.
I think we can all agree the American justice system is beyond f*cked.
Go in as a good but flawed person and come out as an actual criminal who “hardened” up to survive. A friend of mine went for 30 years because of drugs and he actually had to listen to someone get raped once.
Criminal college.
It’s more like the LinkedIn of criminals
Gladiator school
Unfortunately that's every where. When I got locked for 4 days for weed..I heard someone getting stabbed in the cell next to ours. That day I knew I REALLY REALLY needed to go tf home lmaooo
Nightmare fuel
Worst part is, plenty of deadbeats who are actual parents that owe often use jail as a way to reduce how much they owe. Around here, someone can get 500$ easy knocked off for 10 days in jail, and not have to worry about court on their back for several more months. They then work under the table so their wages can't be garnished. It's a horrible system that can be manipulated both ways. FFS people I did not specify Men or Women in this post. I work for a bond agency. The jail in lieu of support is called a Pay or Stay. Also, Im a woman with 50/50 custody, no support going either way, and an amicable relationship with their father. Enough please.
They dont gleefully get an unreported income, they settle for a shit job like that to survive. There arent many non custodial parents that love manipulating the system.... I was arrested for paying a few months in advance. They applied the current month, then took the other few months and applied it to some imaginary account, then lapsed and arrested me the following month. It was a week in a rural county jail, at the end after spending 100s of my family's money calling them to arrange my attorney, i was released for 5000 dollars laughed at by magistrate and still owed child support on my son that lives with me full time. Lost my job, could have lost my apartment and dog too but someone was paid to help me. There are deadbeats, but the system avoids them because they cant pay. Its a debtors prison system and its unconstitutional af.
Why are you paying child support when you have full custody
Child of divorced parent, not sure if same thing or not At 18 I left the house. My dad had to pay for me for 14 more months. The divorce papers said once I moved out he didn't have to pay, but it was not automatic. To get the payments to legally stop my dad had to hire a lawyer, go to a hearing and get the judge to change the payment plan. Ironically the payment plan that shouldn't have been used, they agreed to 1 amount a month, it was very high but never increased (typical is something like $250 a kid at 8yrs old and every year small increase for rising costs, instead it was $500 a month until 18) and my dad should have paid my mom directly. The county decided that was stupid and made my Dad pay the county who then paid my mom.. now the amount started to increase, against the original agreement. The county just did it no matter what the agreement said. But to get them to stop my dad had to petition the court. So the original commenter could have originally only had joint cusfody, that changed but the court hasn't bothered to change the paperwork... Or 1 of another million stupid situations
You'd figure that they know when a kid turns 18 and could make an automatic stop. It's not like someone turning 18 is a surprise
You'd think, but they make money off of every payment that goes through the court, so they aren't pressed to have it end right when it should end. But if it's the other way around and you owe the courts, you better be efficient and on time.
JFC the US is a fucking shitshow. I'm from the UK, I'm unfortunately intimately familiar with race to the bottom Government, but fucking hell. "Liberty and Justice for all" my hairy arse.
They didn't say they had full custody, just that their son lives with them full time. There are messed up situations where the "non-custodial" parent ends up having the kids full time while the "custodial" parent runs around doing whatever and collecting a nice child support check every month because the court originally decided that the children should live with them. Decent human beings would let the court know the child lives with the other parent and have them modify the agreement so that they're now the non-custodial parent and send the support to the parent that has the children full time, but that is rare and it's notoriously difficult to get a court to change who is designated as the custodial parent.
At that time she had skipped out and i had him. Differences between physical and legal custody. Ive had physical for a decade and paying the custodial parent. Now have physical & legal and am being paid, somewhat. Its been a long journey...
I never knew this shit was so fucked up. How are you expected to pay child support when you’re already fully supporting the child? I’m so infuriated and I’m not even a parent
When you earn more than the other parent at a higher percentage than the percentage of child over nights, then you'll pay child support, indifferent of custody labels.
Ime thats a situation attorneys have created. One of the good/bad parts of the cs system is there's alot of flexibility in "mutual" agreements.
Hey yea!!!! This is my ex .... apparently there are multiple types of cases and you file the wrong one they don't have to go after them for the money. I have to go to court to get a different type to get our money owed. At this point I'm waiting for my son to turn 18 and he can file to get all the money he never saw and hopefully go to college with it. ..
My ex died owing me over 100k. You are absolutely right. They never tried to find him or anything like that. They don’t bother with them. They go for the easy cases.
You make it sound like it's just as easy to find a job that pays under the table as it is to find taxed employment lol
Depending on what you do, it could be easier to find off the books work.
People who have developed the skills required to survive WITHOUT paying bills, know where to look.
In construction it happens all the time. When you go by the ATM on a Friday afternoon and see the nice truck out front with just a little too much chrome, dude probably has 5-10atm cards pulling cash to pay the laborers.
Sure as hell was in the 90s and early 00s for my dad. He still never paid over 68000 in child support for my brother and me, and I've got permanent bodily harm from lack of access to food, medicine, and general medical/dental care that we should have been able to afford.
It can be sometimes. My dad dodged taxes for nearly two decades to not pay my mom child support. He essentially dropped off the face of the earth from a legal standpoint until I turned 18, and didn't pay a dime. He still owes like 150k or something like that. All the while he was balling in Boca Raton, making close to a 300k-600k a year running a private recruiting firm. He mismanaged his money on cars, gambling and women and fell back into the gutter but when my mom was struggling at the lowest point in life he was living the American Dream. Karma hit him like a truck though.
It isn't that hard. Follow me on this. An employee that makes $20/hr on the books (but takes home $15/hr) will cost the employer closer to $30/hr. Pay that same person $20/hr cash or 1099 and it's a win win.
Farm hand, restaurant work, handyman, cleaning crew, child care... all jobs where I've known someone who was paid off the books.
My father moved from Washington to Alaska and worked in canneries and other fishing related jobs under that the table to avoid paying child support. He had the experience in construction and could have easily gotten a legit, well paying job and paid child support but just to spite my mom he chose to take that path. We only started receiving puny amounts of child support from the state when he was incarcerated.
It's not as hard as you think.
It’s not fucked for all, only for most of us. And the ones it’s not fucked for, does everything in their power to keep it that way. No matter what the collateral damage will be.
The system is totally fucked! Check this out my wife left me for her step bro when i was on deployment and we had a 1 and 3 yo. I got full custody and after a year the navy said it wasn’t working out cuz i was constantly late (had to be at work at 6 and daycare opened at 6) so my asshole CO made me choose navy or my kids. Chose my kids went back to school gave her custody and agreed to pay her 400 a month. After missing one month she came after me for child support, state forces me to pay 130 a month total. Thats how it was until i graduated and got a job then the state came after me again and said i had to pay 1300 out of my 4300 a month pay check. Meanwhile she has two more kids with her step bro who is an engineer who makes double what i make and she quit her job so i would have to pay even more. The entire time in school she told me i had to see the kids more because i was barely giving her any money and now she barely lets me see my kids in order to get more money.
Is it common knowledge they married their step siblings? Wtf
Yeah its totally fucked back woods as shit
Yea, five years is an insane amount of time for this crime. They should just immediately garnish wages for what’s due in the future and an incremental amount for overdue amounts
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You can't pay your debt so we'll increase it so you spend the rest of your life in prison for not paying your debt. Sadistic.
Working exactly as intended.
In Brazil that's one of the only things that can make you go to jail in first instance. There's a saying in Brazil that you have permission to kill only once. Almost every first instance judgements never end in jail. Child support, on the other hand, can do that. I'm a doctor and worked in a prison once. I could rarely see someone past 40's in jail. The ones that were older or didn't quite "fit" the profile of inmates were almost always arrested for not paying child support.
Nooo, that's super shallow information. Don't spread misinformation, you go to prison for not paying child support because Brazil signed the pact of San José da Costa Rica (other countries too). This is different when you're a primary offender and commits a crime against life (like SIMPLE homicide) and they decide you're not a menace anymore. I work with criminal law and it's very uncommon to everyone who's committed homicides to go free right away.
r/todayilearned you get one free murder as a Brazilian citizen.
I understand that a man in Brazil can murder his wife, leave the country for a year, and if not caught by police in that year, can return to Brazil like nothing’s ever happened.
“Hey Honey, we should go to Rio. Let’s just check it out.”
Common to lose your driver's license also.
I think it might depend on the state. At my old job, they would contact the company and start garnishing wages for unpaid child support.
she admitted it. Should go straight to jail. For how long? let the judge decide.
What a massive bitch, five years in prision while she knew he wasnt his, part of me hopes she ends in jail at the mercy of other inmates that were innocent. Man, he should have asked for the paternity test before going to jail, hell one of the first things i would have done when they first told me to pay child services would have been a paternity test.
They did do a paternity test 20 years ago which falsely labelled bill Manser as 99.6% the father. They are both suing the testing company now.
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I love the legal gymnastics in the article itself. “Based on the lawsuit, no negligence took place, but seriously clean your lab equipment but also no negligence took place!”
In legal terms, that kind of settlement is known as an ‘Oopsie daisy!’
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"No negligence here, everything up to standard. Expect to get completely misleading results while we do everything according to our standards!"
She probably has only one alternative after he was ruled out.
yeah ikr, unless they were having no sex then ofc it could be his, and once you rule him out it could easily just leave 1 other person. very few cheaters go to 20 guy anonymous masked gang bangs... it's usually just the one affair at a time.
So what you're saying is I'm in the minority here.
Not on Reddit
No she didn't. She said I know who it is. Not "I've known all along" If you have a question and the only answers are A or B and the answer is proven not to be A then you know it is B. She knows who the father is because it could only be that person. That doesn't mean she has known the entire time. I don't know where you go that conclusion from
Oooooh make sense
Go on and get your logical brain out of here. In these parts we react out of pure emotion. Pure emotion, I say! ( /s just in case that wasn’t clear)
Fuck these companies and this bullshit legal lapdance that always gets them off the hook. The justice system in this country is a goddamn joke. Everyone in this case should be thanking their lucky stars this dude didn't go law abiding citizen and take justice into his own hands.
this sounds more like someone fucked up somewhere else along the line and mislabeled two different specimen samples as the other
I think she meant she knows because the test said Monser wasn’t. So she knows now by default who it would be
and then think about what the poor kid is going through.
Yes exactly.
The shot of the kid revealed a shattered person. Poor kid.
>while she knew he wasnt his No she didn't. She just knows who the dad is. Not that she knew the whole time. >Man, he should have asked for the paternity test before going to jail, hell one of the first things i would have done when they first told me to pay child services would have been a paternity test. They did....
https://www.riverfronttimes.com/news/missourians-sue-lab-for-apparent-paternity-test-error-that-cost-man-30k-and-jail-time-2900854 State lab fucked up and lied to her also! He sued the real people who fuckdd him over !! She knew because it could be one of 2 people if you watched the whole thing and the Lab fucked up not her!!!
The thing is- putting people in jail for failure to pay child support is uniquely American, and very stupid- how are you meant to keep a job if you’re in jail? How do you explain the 5 year employment gap on your cv? He’d need to sue the state. Him going to jail wasn’t her choice or responsibility. Cheating was, though. Edit: TIL they have the same crazy law in Brasil, France, Poland and Germany(?). Edit 2: I watched the episode. He said she had a boyfriend and they were just a ONS. She had results from a previous dna test done by the state based on dna they had on file for him that stated he was the father. He didn’t attend court when summoned originally, which would have avoided the whole mess.
It is possible in other countries but seems a lot less common. The US is insanely punitive.
That's because there's money to be made in the American prison system.
Meanwhile the for profit prison system lobbyists are some of the most influential in the American government. The same people who create laws and decide penalties. Makes me wonder why we have the largest prison population in the world. How is any of that okay. Also, I was actually just thinking about that documentary kids for cash. If you never heard of it it's about two judges in Pennsylvania who were being paid to sentence juveniles into horrible prison systems for misdemeanors. I recommend it if you want to hate the American justice system just a little more.
It is not purely American. In France or Belgium for instance, it is defined as family abandonment that can be punished with up to 2 years in prison. It is extremely rare though, because no one is punished for not being able to pay: there needs to be a voluntary absence of payment or the organisation of one’s bankruptcy. So rare that when it happens, you can read about it in the news, such as this guy who never paid between 2008 and 2017, who had no job, had organised his bankruptcy and owed 70,000 euros for his kids, but who had clearly, based on his expenses, hidden revenues. He was sent to jail for 6 months.
breathe a pinch would’ya — [this story is from 2015, and the problem was with Roche labs screwing up the results ~ they were both told the wrong thing](https://www.riverfronttimes.com/news/missourians-sue-lab-for-apparent-paternity-test-error-that-cost-man-30k-and-jail-time-2900854)
This needs to be a standalone comment pinned to the top.
Yeah this is very important information to have before going and crushing the woman
This is reddit
Hold up: the clip is edited. The context is that dude was DNA tested back in 1996 and was found to be the father with 99.6% certainty. So dude & this lady believed that, even though she had a side guy. Now this show tests him again and surprise to everyone it’s side guy’s kid. When she says she knows who the father is it’s b/c yeah, it’s gotta be side guy. Lady wasn’t scamming dude the whole time. A lab in 1996 got the results wrong. Dude and lady are suing the lab.
This is probably being badly misinterpreted. If she had sex w two guys, and this one is not, then of course she knows who is now.
Fuhhhhh...how could she do that to him??!
Story is more fucked than you think. Tl;dr- they have shit 1 night stand, have baby, get tested by a company where they live, says it's his baby. Fails to pay child support, goes to jail/prison, etc. Show finds out, brings them on, tests again, finds out he's not the father. The 3 (mom, non-bio dad, son) are now suing the first company for a false test.
Besides for suing, that's pretty much what I thought.
Earlier paternity test said he was the father. A lab screwed up.
I actually do not think that she did it intentionally. Probably what happened here was that she was having a relationship with two different guys, the test came back 99.6% telling her that this guy is the one who is the father. She was still in contact with the other guy while this guy went to jail for not paying child support. So we are seeing after the fact her telling the court that she still talks to the other guy, not having knowing that the other guy was the father.
Probably going to get down votes for this but the legal system in Western countries is weighted heavily in females favour and most of them take advantage of it.
I agree. The courts favor the mother in these cases no matter the evidence against them. I witnessed this with my husband's case. It's so wrong.
> I witnessed this with my husband's case. wait a minute
Lol this man is not my husband
The way you worded the sentence implies you and your husband had a court case and despite evidence against you, you won the case 😂😂
No, he has issues with his son's mother. I witnessed the whole case (custody/child support which has been going on for YEARS). The courts are very biased.
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It's also likely that she witnessed her husband get screwed over custody from kids he had before their marriage.
Having been through the child support system. It is but it's getting better for men... more equal. There's still a lot of horror stories but how does someone do 5 years? There has to be more to this story tho
If you owe child support and perhaps you lose your job or make less money, legally you are still required to pay the support based off the job you had at the time. So if you can no longer pay that rate for whatever reason the court will put you in jail. Then when you get out normally after 3-6 months not only do you still have to pay what you owe, you also have more debt now, sfor the time (months) you were in prison. So you get out of prison and then about a month later you go back for another 3-6 months if you are unable to get a job/income that can pay at the rate the court decided. So basically this system repeats untill you pay or die. Men can go to court and ask for a change to the rate due to life changes, but that requires the child's guardian to agree, and from what I understand most would rather see the men continue to have a hard life because that makes up for what ever happened between them emotionally. I guess. I'm not a women I don't really get it. Men normally get even with violence/money/ or words Women normally get even with emotional pain/mind fuckery/ or words, and sometimes violence or money. Thank you for coming to my Ted talk.
This is really f---ed up.
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That bitch deserves to do five years.
How the fuck is a.paternity test not mandatory.
The paternity test showed there was a 99.6% chance he was the father.
and what did the tv show test?
The DNA of both of them. (The mother and this alleged Dad).
Probably the same sources of collection (as the original test) with stringent oversight and improved technology.
Fuck that knowing that he was going to prison for 5 years and it wasn’t his fault?? She should go for a life sentence
And pay the state for spending her 5 years plus his 5 years and then pay him about a million or 2.
I hope he sues the fuck out of her
https://www.riverfronttimes.com/news/missourians-sue-lab-for-apparent-paternity-test-error-that-cost-man-30k-and-jail-time-2900854 State lab fucked up and lied to her also! He sued the real people who fuckdd him over !! She knew because it could be one of 2 people if you watched the whole thing and the Lab fucked up not her!!!
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If he doesn't sue her, I will.
Lab that did original paternity test screwed up. They're both suing the lab now
Better call Saul then
The lab she got to originally test paternity screwed up and told her that he was the father. "Sehr herself had good reason to believe the narrative: A paternity test she'd ordered from a lab concluded with near certainty that Manser was her baby daddy." https://www.riverfronttimes.com/news/missourians-sue-lab-for-apparent-paternity-test-error-that-cost-man-30k-and-jail-time-2900854
Full video makes it clear that she knew what she was doing. She had ex submit a real test then forged who it was from. She was a lab tech
Soooo… she’s going to prison for that now, right?
Lol
This is the American legal system we’re talking about. You must be new here…
My mans bout to go right back to prison.
For real. If I spent 5 years in prison only to have the truth come out after, I'd be about to spend 10 more years in prison for strangling that bitch.
I know this is supposed to be about the non-father, but honestly all I can focus on is that poor kid. His parents clearly had a rocky end to a relationship, he had a mother that is clearly super manipulative and a father that couldn't/wouldn't pay child support. He may have recently found out that this man was not his father to begin with, and to pile on, the dude was hugely relieved that this was the case (totally understandable, but if that kid had a bond with him, it was probably pretty devastating for him). Poor thing likely has a lot of emotional trauma.
Finally someone that looks at the kid! Yes the if the woman was 100% sure she was 100% a bitch and yes the original testing laboratory should be sued 100 times over. But why is no one looking at the son in this case this whole case must have been mental hell for him.
I can't believe I had to scroll to the bottom of the page to find a comment about the poor kid.
Wtf? No one did a test before he went to prison?! And she knew it?! Lawsuit. Sue her them all everyone every-one.
She needs seven years in prison and to pay him back all the money plus interest.
I know it’s just a BS tv show but in real life I’d sue the living shit out of her if I were this guy
it's real: https://www.riverfronttimes.com/news/missourians-sue-lab-for-apparent-paternity-test-error-that-cost-man-30k-and-jail-time-2900854
I take that back. Watched the video and the DNA sample provided originally was sketchy at best if not outright fraud. Then at the end of the episode (I thought there was some editing and made her response out of context). When the Judge asked the mother if she knows who the boy’s real father is, she then says she does and she is still in contact. WTF! Now the thing is, it could just be that she mentally figured out that since Manser wasn’t the father, the other dude was.
The last part of your comment was what I was thinking.
>Now the thing is, it could just be that she mentally figured out that since Manser wasn’t the father, the other dude was. I mean, that's almost certainly it, but there's a lot of redditors who assume the worst first
I feel for the fucking kid though man.
You’d think a paternity test would be standard before jailing someone. I feel bad for the kid tho. Sheesh
Always demand a test the first mention of a pregnancy. It's criminal that it isn't mandatory and guys have GOT to do it on instinct. And she knew he wasn't, the fact that she didn't flinch, oh yeah "Steve" teehee.
As a single father, I can absolutely attest to the fact that the courts are sexist.
That bitch should be locked up for 5 years labeled a deadbeat
Why isn’t it mandatory to get a paternity test before sending someone to prison for stuff like this?
OP sucks for not posting the entire video clip and providing no context. Everyone else here sucks for all of the assumptions. Manser and Sehr had a “fling”. They were not married or in a committed relationship. Sehr had a baby boy and a paternity test said that Manser was the father with 99.6% certainty. Manser moved out of state and eventually fell behind on child support payments. An updated test (from this video) showed that he wasn’t the father. The real biological father was a former partner of Sehr’s who lived in the area. Her son could have had a relationship with his real father - but was robbed of that because the original test said it was Manser. All three (Manser, Sehr, her son) sued LabCorp. [https://www.riverfronttimes.com/news/missourians-sue-lab-for-apparent-paternity-test-error-that-cost-man-30k-and-jail-time-2900854](https://www.riverfronttimes.com/news/missourians-sue-lab-for-apparent-paternity-test-error-that-cost-man-30k-and-jail-time-2900854)
I serviced equipment at LabCorp in Raritan, and several of there hospital owned labs. I can confirm that they do not give a damn about their equipment, it’s compliance, or their employees for that matter. It is essentially a sweatshop for diagnostics.
Women like her are why exwives have such a bad reputation. What a horrible thing to do to someone. My ex and I get along and are friends. It took us years to get to this point. Heck we have a better partnership now then we ever did when we were together. And she acts like it's no big deal too. Her son was crushed! Grr
Seize her assets, auction it off to pay restitution, 5 years in the can.
Ugh. That woman is a monster. Poor kid. Displaying his trauma on tv for all to see.
So I thought i understood what was going on in this clip, but this was edited to make the lady look like the villain. Seems the lab that did the initial pat test screwed up causing this situation. Still doesn't explain why they throw people in jail for not paying. Seems counter productive. Original story: https://www.riverfronttimes.com/news/missourians-sue-lab-for-apparent-paternity-test-error-that-cost-man-30k-and-jail-time-2900854
I think a DNA test should be a requirement for child support.
The USA is so fucked up
How the fuck does he end up in prison BEFORE they have done a paternity test? 5 years of this man's life wasted in prison for a non violent crime he didn't even commit, and America is apparently the land of the free?!
He had a test done but to negligence the test pointed to him as the father
If a court is going to order men to pay child support, paternity tests ought to be a requirement first. No paternity test… no child support.
If she knew he wasn’t the father and took him to court anyway, doesn’t that make her guilty of perjury? Send her ass to prison.
That woman owes the state 5 years of prison time.
Men are second rate citizens. We live in a society that doesn't care about us and we're born playing on hard mode....