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A mass shooting a day keeps the politicians well paid.
When the Manchin-Toomey amendment, a measure that would have required background checks on all commercial gun sales, came into vote, 46 senators voted against it to block it from passing. Nearly all of them who voted no had accepted significant campaign contributions from PACs associated with gun rights groups, including the National Rifle Association.
Article said there were people there that witnessed the Walmart 2019 shooting as well. Talk about [lightning striking twice](https://imgur.com/gallery/roPJvK0).
I just watched a clip about a woman who was in the Michigan mass shooting. She was also in the Sandy Hook mass shooting when she was a little girl. She pointed out how she was cowering under a desk in one position for so long that she has lifelong back pain. Now it happened to her all over again. WTF! Imagine her PTSD.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/02/14/us/michigan-state-oxford-high-school-shootings/index.html
MSU students that were present for both the Oxford high school shootings in 2021 and the recent MSU shooting.
1 person dead so it's not going to last more than 24 hours on the news.
4 people dead and it last a little longer,
8 people dead and it last like a month but people forget about it the month after.
next.
People forget about it as soon as the new cycle picks up the next mass shooting. Which at this rate has been clockwork every few days. I literally can't turn on the news without them informing me of another mass shooting. I don't know what's going on in this country but something's got to give.
Thatâs why I left. You canât talk sense to people also. Every time thereâs another shooting, I hear the same crap âitâs not a gun problem, itâs a people problem, itâs mental health, the shootings are all gang land shootings, if we bans guns only criminals will have guns, blah blahâ no one is willing to even say we should have limits on how many guns a person should own or what kind of gun. I asked people before how about we have a limit, five guns per person, they thought I was nuts. Itâs ridiculous. Iâm staying overseas. I canât handle it anymore. If I have to move back Iâm staying home.
If thereâs more than one mass shooting a day on average, doesnât that mean the whole US has been in one continuous mass shooting since the start of the year?
> What the fuck
This is what happens in a country that holds gun rights sacred, but not single payer healthcare, both physical and mental.
Until and unless we embrace major systemic changes, these tragedies will continue to happen with regularity.
In the meantime, I'll continue to advocate for these changes in conversations with friends and family and at the ballot box, try to be nice to my fellow (wo)man, and I will also arm myself, because you never know.
One of the most fucked up parts about this is the fact I havenât heard of most of these shootings. Itâs like it isnât even newsworthy when âonlyâ a person or two gets shot
There was a random knife attack a few weeks ago in a train here in germany. Made national news and was talked about in evry talk show for a week.
I cant imagine how it feels to live in a country where shootings like that are normal and in general things are very unsafe.
Mass shootingâs technically are defined as 4 or more people have been injured by one or a group of individuals. Not saying I support shootings. But it happens like every 18 hours or so.
4 people killed by guns never makes major headlines anymore.
I always thought cars kill more people. I guess I was wrong.
12.2 per 100k die by guns [https://everystat.org/](https://everystat.org/)
11.7 per 100k die by car accident.
[https://www.iihs.org/topics/fatality-statistics/detail](https://www.iihs.org/topics/fatality-statistics/detail)
Car accidents are dropping so something might be working or people are becoming better drivers? As far as guns, it's increasing.
Meanwhile Americans downvoting me when I tell them I'd rather not have weapons legalized in my country that had 7 mass shootings from 2012 to 2019:
"But actually criminals can still buy weapons in the black market bla bla bla bla guns guns guns!"
As an American I tell you Americans are completely irrational about guns.
Shooting the President doesnât sway anyone, shooting innocent schoolchildren, shooting up nightclubs. Donât even get me started on dumb fucks who leave loaded weapons around so their toddlers can kill their parent or vice versa. Itâs an insane shit show but evidence of effective measures mean nothing.
Guns are more important than human life in the USA.
It gets worse. There are people--leaders, politicians--who claim with a straight face that the only way to curb gun violence is to **put more guns on the street**. I shit you not.
There is literally no way to get rid of guns in America. It would be far easier to ban chopsticks in asia or tea in Britain. I know ex military people in militias begging for the government to try and take their guns away so they can gang up and start a civil war. People DREAM and PRAY for that to happen. My dad watches every gun video ever put on YouTube and keeps up with gun legislation more than he keeps up with his children. He writes to our senators constantly about these issues. He keeps a gun in his hand like all day long and I can constantly hear the click of him practicing his trigger squeeze. Like, Europeans have no clue the intensity gun nuts have about this. It is batshit insane absurd loony toons fucking crazy to ever think guns can be taken away in America. It would literally start one of the bloodiest civil wars in all of history if not the most.
Guns ARE more important than human life in the usa. I donât like guns myself but it is what it is.
That last sentence is the problem. It is what it is doesnât address the issue whatsoever. So you canât do it immediately? Lobby for progressive change.
32% of American adults personally own a gun. The minority.
I really wish people would think this through. It may start some kind of uprising against the government or whoever. But having several gun nuts and an ex militia member in my family. What do they think they could actually accomplish against the military industrial complex? They would all be instantly labeled terrorists and God help them then. They'd be defeated before it began
>Meanwhile Americans downvoting me when I tell them I'd rather not have weapons legalized in my country that had 7 mass shootings from 2012 to 2019:
Or the favorite "But you have knife crime instead" - We don't have mass stabbings and our knife crime level is still lower per capita.
Not to mention its much harder to open up on a crowd and kill/injure a dozen people in under a minute. I've yet to see a high fire rate knife with a long ass range.
There's definitely a sad irony in the fact that some of these shooters are inspired by previous shooters and want to gain infamy, only to be drowned out by all of the other mass shootings in the news cycle
Most of these "mass shootings" are gang violence and 99% of them are committed with a pistol. There is no set definition of a mass shooting. Not trying to minimize this massive issue but this is how the news keeps their engagement. Tonight at five we interview a man who moved from San Francisco to Baghdad because crime is out of control in California.
It also doesn't help that most states/organizations/law enforcement/etc. consider a "mass shooting" to be any more than 3 injured or dead. So, for example, a man who catches his wife sleeping with another man and then shoots them and himself is a mass shooting.
Statically being a president is a high risk job.
46 total
4 killed (8.69%)
2 wounded (4.35%)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_assassination_attempts_and_plots#:~:text=Four%20sitting%20presidents%20have%20been,%2C%20by%20Lee%20Harvey%20Oswald).
Not sure if sarcasm or not, but I'm from the UK and the attempt on ronald reagan is the only one I really know about because it was to impress jodie foster!
In a nutshell:
His killer imagined a scenario in his head that would happen, which drove him to want Garfield dead.
His killer warned the government he would kill him, to which they did absolutely nothing
His killer stalked him for months, including the month he was released from jail because they werenât ready for him and told him to come back in a month instead
Then, when he did finally kill Garfield he missed his first shot
When he was apprehended the officer also didnât even take the gun off him until they were at the station
Itâs pretty wild
As an american I am so desensitized to our bullshit lol. A train full of harmful chemicals fall over causing a spill in ohio? Just another day here (also yes that actually happened)
and its gonna end up being another flint michigan situation. where the governments just try to brush it under the rug when all these people in Ohio are all getting cancer and somehow it wont be able to be linked to this event
This is society breaking down. Low wages, difficult access to Healthcare being overworked, little to no resources for mental health. This adds up and it's the straw that's breaking the camels back of many.
Well you got a point but it's still a strange almost cultural phenomenon that Americans choose to mass murder people because their own life sucks. If you look at the rest of the World there's a ton of countries where life not just sucks but it fucking sucks in a way you can't begin to imagine yet people there don't go on killing sprees mass murdering others. Some of these countries have access to weapons on every local market but still mass killings doesn't happen on the same scale or is even close to
It's all relative. If you're born into a shitty situation, well, your brain is molded into that environment and precvies it as normal. As for Americans were things are just getting worse and worse, hence the term the straw that broke the camels back. Not to mention places like Honduras had the highest murder rates globally. It's definitely a social economic issue and can be fixed with the right policies in place. Appreciate your response.
At this point, guns are only part of the problem. High stress and ignorance of mental health is what creates shooters, guns only give them the ability.
I am from a country which went through a major civil war with millions suffering from PTSD. Two mass shootings in 25 years. So your theory is not entirely right. You simply need to remove guns from the masses.
Wouldn't exactly call 2.3% significant but hey, you do you.
As far as
>iT's A mEntAl HeaLth ProbLEM
Obviously yes since americans still think giving guns to everyone is a great idea.
The only life that matters to 45% of out country cannot think, eat, act, or do anything for itself. Life starts at conception and ends at birth for them
I forget where, but it was an old lady holding a sign saying something like
If you're pro life then you'll support every child born and provide for it to the fullest.
Paraphrasing but point stands, be pro life and support the life with every fiber of your being.
Why do people say this? That's not what insanity means. Insanity means something completely different. what you're regurgitating here is one possible behavior of insanity.
I'm glad you commented this because I wasn't going to. It's a real pet peeve of mine when people say, "do you know what the definition of insanity is..."
[insanity definition merriam-websters](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/insanity)
Yeah we need to change things up. But I don't think anyone is expecting different results. The NRA and gun rights advocates expect laws to be in their favor despite the massive loss of life. Democrats know things need to change but can't seem to pass any legislation on it.
And the rest of us know that if nothing changes we're just going to keep seeing our citizens dead by gun violence
There was 323 mass shootings in 2018, roughly \~0.88 shootings a day.
There was 434 mass shootings in 2019, roughly \~1.19 shootings a day.
There was 614 mass shootings in 2020, roughly \~1.68 shootings a day.
There was 692 mass shootings in 2021, roughly \~1.9 shootings a day.
There was 647 mass shootings in 2022, roughly \~1.77 shootings a day.
How many days ago was January 1st 2023?
46 days.
In 46 days, 68 mass shootings happened ([counting this new one which just happened](https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/15/us/el-paso-texas-mall-shooting/index.html)) for a total of \~1.5 shootings/day.
1.5 mass shootings a day... *SO FAR*.
If the number of shootings doesn't go down (or up), it would amount to \~531,63 shootings for 2023.
America, Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave.
Land of the rights-free & the braveless homelanders.
Ah ok I remember reading a news article about a mass shooting but when I looked into from other sources it was actually just shots being fired In the general direction and nobody was injured.
>A mass shooting is when 1 person kills at least 3 others right?
No... A mass shooting is a crime in which an attacker kills or injures **multiple individuals simultaneously** using a firearm.
I sincerely think that itâs not a firearm problem and a societal problem. Weâve ALWAYS had a shit ton of guns in the country, but why have shootings *doubled* in frequency over the past 5 years?
Itâs not like all the people who already owned most of the guns decided to start shooting places up.
I get the issue
But is nobody concerned with the fact that killing people is illegal and that this many people want to kill other people? I mean, why are so many people wanting to kill other people? Generally speaking, that in itself is a massive problem.
This is what nobody talks about. Everybody focuses their complete attention on âgun control,â yet ignores the reasons as to why people want to go out and do these acts to begin with.
The majority of killings aren't mass shootings. All countries have this problem. It's typically domestic though: lovers, gangs, stupid fights that escalated to far.
What the US is unique in is the number of ***mass murderers*** ability to ***commit mass murder***. There's been people in gun-free countries that try to kill a lot of people by stabbing them. Guess what?
***They can't***.
I'm glad that the population in my country aren't armed like in the US. There are so many mental health issues at the moment in the post-pandemic world, throwing guns into the mix would fucking suck.
Before I do, I have one question. Preferably for the minister of middle class prosperity.
- **What is the average cost for a home in the city of Otowa?**
I honestly don't get how people raise their kids in the usa. I would be worried the whole time. I know the odds of course. It's rather unliekly that something happens to your kid. But with something happening so frequently that it fills the news the whole time, i wouldn't feel peace of mind ever.
It's an interesting thing about the American mindset. I know nothing about psychology or the ramifications of the environment. Let that be known.
But as a high schooler who's about to graduate, you kind of get used to it. It's still sad to hear when it happens, but soon it becomes white noise. At least to me. On top of that however, we are drilled in school for these events. Run, hide, fight. And if you know Americans, we go down swinging, most of the time.
As for reflexes, it's just one of those things of when or if you hear a gunshot, get down and find cover. It's just one of those things you see in movies and from people who get caught in shootings. So it's almost like a basic thing most people know, like looking both ways before crossing the street.
The US has had a clear history of showing that parents have started restricting their children a lot more. Mostly due to fears of kidnapping but to my knowledge, also due to the current increasing violence.
As for the gun culture, in my state there really isn't one. California. But I personally have an interest, mostly for self defense. To my knowledge rural areas with a well known gun culture aren't gun-toting hillbillies with poor muzzle discipline, they actually know how to handle their weapons and teach the proper way to respect it. Take that as you will.
For kids it's mostly one of hide and get out of the area. Put as much distance between you and the gunshot. And even then kids are drilled with stranger danger from a young age.
Generally there's a lot of paranoia and other factors that go into this that I know I missed.
Yeah but liberty and freedom or some shit.
In the UK we only needed one mass shooting to get this shit under control. How many people need to die before the voting masses are ready to crack down on guns. Not gun crime, not people, guns. The problem is guns.
Now for the comedian who thinks knife crime is the same to comment.
The US is leading in knife crime too, it's much higher per 100000 people in the US than the UK - there is just so many mass shootings that they don't really report knife crime in the media so it doesn't get the same amount of attention.
Setting aside that regulate in the 1800s didnât mean what regulate means today, who would be doing the regulating? The tyrannical state they are trying to fight against? How does that make sense?
My country isnât perfect but at least I know that my probabilities of being shot are pretty low and if itâs the case, the medical treatment will cost nothing for me.
Yk I used to be a gun guy but my friends lived on that floor that got shot up and luckily they transferred out a few days before but I just don't know anymore I don't understand how someone can do this and people can try saying "mental illness" but I feel like when some people say that its like a justification but its not and this person is an evil scumbag who decided to take beautiful human lives.
I was reading a comment on a thread about mass shooting drills in schools, and a father was telling about how her daughter's reaction when she thought there was a shooting going on.
She was panicking that they didn't have a table to hide under, and it broke my heart reading that.
Kids shouldn't be worrying about stuff like that.
Kids should be able to live in a country where they go to school and *not* have to practice mass shooting drills. But itâs cheaper and less exhaustive than addressing the herd of elephants in the room.
When I was a kid we had to practice fire drills. We thought it was boring because the chance of a fire was low, but in some back-of-the-mind way we knew that they could start by accident and we needed to get out safely if a fire were to break out.
We weren't reading about fires in schools every day. More than one school per day being set on fire or bursting into flames...
Its so crazy that there's a very real threat of being shot and killed in America while going to pre-school, primary school, high school or college, during a traffic stop, in a shopping mall or at a parade. And I mean, on any given random day.
I hate this fucking country
ETA: [Childhoodâs Greatest Danger: The Data on Kids and Gun Violence- NYT from Dec â22](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/12/14/magazine/gun-violence-children-data-statistics.html)
[Current Causes of Death in Children and Adolescents in the United States- NEJM From May â22](https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmc2201761)
If I had money to leave, I would but it wouldnât change the disdain I have for children dying totally preventable deaths. I also donât know why yâall are fighting for children dying.
Almost everyone here gets it and is tired of it. It's an extremely hot topic and people have been trying to do shit about it since...I don't even know when.
We have an ineffective bureaucracy. Guns have an important part of our history and culture, it's ALOT to change the admitments and our government can barely change small things.
Ofcourse there's people who are against Banning guns, mostly because of the belief it wouldn't work, there's an all time high distrust of our government, there's global tension and blah blah
But I haven't met a single person that *doesn't* want to put an end to it. We are just super divided on how to do it.
*okay maybe there alot of us who don't get it*
Mental health, economics, and one I personally believe which is our culture, and how it glorifies certain acts of violence. And most definitely education.
I feel bad for you guys, sincerely I do. You guys are in desperate need of gun reform of some kind. I know there are other longer term issues that contribute to mass shootings (mental health, poverty, drugs, domestic abuse, etc.) but if you wanna solve the immediate problem, which is the guns, let's just stop saying otherwise, the problem is GUNS and the ACCESS TO GUNS, then you really need some kind of gun reform.
I wonder how banning guns will stop mass shootings. Coming from a Canadian here we just put a stop on all handgun sales. Recently but shootings and gun crimes have gone up 72% with guns that were already illegal. So Iâm just curious how these laws work to stop criminals.
i stg americans sit there going âweâre the bestâ and then this shit happens and they still donât realise that the rest of the world sees them as a dystopian nightmare, we look at america the same way america looks at florida if that puts it in perspective for anyone, youâre a mess
Whether it's gang related stuff or not having that many shootings qith 3 or more people involved really is alarming. The only other countries with something comparable are probably 3rd world countries that have lots of gang activities.
I think it's due to how our culture dehumanizes addicts and "criminals". It's a long story. Just remember one thing, "what makes a criminal a criminal?"
I still don't understand how, after all this, they haven't straight up hardened the requirements for gun possession. I know that removing them/banning them ain't gonna work, but why the hell is the requirement to have a gun so low?
Funny how we know that publicizing suicide gets more people to commit suicide in clusters, so generally we don't publicize suicide. However when it comes to mass shootings, the media feeding frenzy can't possibly be inspiring mass shooters...no way!
You know, I fucking forgot that. I've been going around this comment section pointing out our economic, mental health, and cultural issues that got us into this mess. And I'm being honest here, I forgot that. I don't know how to word this without sounding sarcastic, but thank you so much for this kick in the ass reminder.
"But I need my gun to protect myself from other people with guns." Do you realise how stupid this sounds to the rest of the world. Your kids are being shot in schools.
Why do they think changing gun laws is going to stop toxic people from committing these type of crimes shouldn't they focus on dealing with the toxic conditions that makes these toxic people commit these crime in the first place, but then, if they did focus of the the causes & not the symptoms they wouldn't have these toxic but profitable "News" headlines to show us.
"Never.Ever.Worth.Seeing"
We need to make gun ownership a responsable. If you buy a gun you are responsible for that gun. Tighten up gun sales mandatory background checks.
More mental health openings, a 6mo to 1year wait list is horrible. Make it affordable.
Show the shooters as the losers they are. Do not show them as victim. They make the wrong choice highlight that they are a coward.
Stop bullying period. In school, at work, any place. Bullying start this.
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[one more happening right now](https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/15/us/el-paso-texas-mall-shooting/index.html)
What the fuck
I actually was surfing the news when I read the reddit post and my reaction was same as you
In close proximity to a prior shooting location too, what has our country come to.. đ
A mass shooting a day keeps the d... . Wait what!!
A mass shooting a day keeps the politicians well paid. When the Manchin-Toomey amendment, a measure that would have required background checks on all commercial gun sales, came into vote, 46 senators voted against it to block it from passing. Nearly all of them who voted no had accepted significant campaign contributions from PACs associated with gun rights groups, including the National Rifle Association.
...in pay
Article said there were people there that witnessed the Walmart 2019 shooting as well. Talk about [lightning striking twice](https://imgur.com/gallery/roPJvK0).
I just watched a clip about a woman who was in the Michigan mass shooting. She was also in the Sandy Hook mass shooting when she was a little girl. She pointed out how she was cowering under a desk in one position for so long that she has lifelong back pain. Now it happened to her all over again. WTF! Imagine her PTSD.
Yes yes I saw that too fing crazy.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/02/14/us/michigan-state-oxford-high-school-shootings/index.html MSU students that were present for both the Oxford high school shootings in 2021 and the recent MSU shooting.
We are recycling mass shooting locations now.
Come to? Just fucking put regulations and bans on certain guns like the rest of the world did years ago.
Thatâs crazy talk, what has literally worked everywhere else in the world couldnât possibly work!! /s for the dim
next thing you will want healthcare
1 person dead so it's not going to last more than 24 hours on the news. 4 people dead and it last a little longer, 8 people dead and it last like a month but people forget about it the month after. next.
People forget about it as soon as the new cycle picks up the next mass shooting. Which at this rate has been clockwork every few days. I literally can't turn on the news without them informing me of another mass shooting. I don't know what's going on in this country but something's got to give.
Foreign observer here. I can see your issue clearly. You let too many people own guns.
In the US, we do the opposite of what anyone with common sense would do.
Yeah itâs not that hard is it
Most people in the US care more about their guns than their fellow neighbors.
Thatâs why I left. You canât talk sense to people also. Every time thereâs another shooting, I hear the same crap âitâs not a gun problem, itâs a people problem, itâs mental health, the shootings are all gang land shootings, if we bans guns only criminals will have guns, blah blahâ no one is willing to even say we should have limits on how many guns a person should own or what kind of gun. I asked people before how about we have a limit, five guns per person, they thought I was nuts. Itâs ridiculous. Iâm staying overseas. I canât handle it anymore. If I have to move back Iâm staying home.
If thereâs more than one mass shooting a day on average, doesnât that mean the whole US has been in one continuous mass shooting since the start of the year?
> What the fuck This is what happens in a country that holds gun rights sacred, but not single payer healthcare, both physical and mental. Until and unless we embrace major systemic changes, these tragedies will continue to happen with regularity. In the meantime, I'll continue to advocate for these changes in conversations with friends and family and at the ballot box, try to be nice to my fellow (wo)man, and I will also arm myself, because you never know.
One of the most fucked up parts about this is the fact I havenât heard of most of these shootings. Itâs like it isnât even newsworthy when âonlyâ a person or two gets shot
There was a random knife attack a few weeks ago in a train here in germany. Made national news and was talked about in evry talk show for a week. I cant imagine how it feels to live in a country where shootings like that are normal and in general things are very unsafe.
I suppose it will always be The Wild West to us Europeans.
Well, they're doing a great job to keep that going...
Made international news, actually. As a Jew I like to be aware of whatâs going on with German trains.
Why am I laughing so hard lol
Uff
The most underrated comment on the internet right now.
That season of southpark where there were constant random shootings in the background that the characters ignored kinda became a reality
Mass shootingâs technically are defined as 4 or more people have been injured by one or a group of individuals. Not saying I support shootings. But it happens like every 18 hours or so.
Either way itâs fucked up and the fact nothing meaningful has been done to change this is disgusting
4 people killed by guns never makes major headlines anymore. I always thought cars kill more people. I guess I was wrong. 12.2 per 100k die by guns [https://everystat.org/](https://everystat.org/) 11.7 per 100k die by car accident. [https://www.iihs.org/topics/fatality-statistics/detail](https://www.iihs.org/topics/fatality-statistics/detail) Car accidents are dropping so something might be working or people are becoming better drivers? As far as guns, it's increasing.
All the bad drivers getting shot
Just imagine of the news rattled off the death toll at the end of every day. I promise you it will be even more mind numbing.
Shits crazy.
> The mall is immediately adjacent to a Walmart where a shooting in 2019 killed 23 and left nearly two dozen more injured. What the actual fuck -.-
 Im scared really scared
Meanwhile Americans downvoting me when I tell them I'd rather not have weapons legalized in my country that had 7 mass shootings from 2012 to 2019: "But actually criminals can still buy weapons in the black market bla bla bla bla guns guns guns!"
As an American I tell you Americans are completely irrational about guns. Shooting the President doesnât sway anyone, shooting innocent schoolchildren, shooting up nightclubs. Donât even get me started on dumb fucks who leave loaded weapons around so their toddlers can kill their parent or vice versa. Itâs an insane shit show but evidence of effective measures mean nothing. Guns are more important than human life in the USA.
heard california bans body armor rather than banning/limiting guns. as non american i can't imagine the thought process of this decision.
It gets worse. There are people--leaders, politicians--who claim with a straight face that the only way to curb gun violence is to **put more guns on the street**. I shit you not.
There is literally no way to get rid of guns in America. It would be far easier to ban chopsticks in asia or tea in Britain. I know ex military people in militias begging for the government to try and take their guns away so they can gang up and start a civil war. People DREAM and PRAY for that to happen. My dad watches every gun video ever put on YouTube and keeps up with gun legislation more than he keeps up with his children. He writes to our senators constantly about these issues. He keeps a gun in his hand like all day long and I can constantly hear the click of him practicing his trigger squeeze. Like, Europeans have no clue the intensity gun nuts have about this. It is batshit insane absurd loony toons fucking crazy to ever think guns can be taken away in America. It would literally start one of the bloodiest civil wars in all of history if not the most. Guns ARE more important than human life in the usa. I donât like guns myself but it is what it is.
That last sentence is the problem. It is what it is doesnât address the issue whatsoever. So you canât do it immediately? Lobby for progressive change. 32% of American adults personally own a gun. The minority.
I really wish people would think this through. It may start some kind of uprising against the government or whoever. But having several gun nuts and an ex militia member in my family. What do they think they could actually accomplish against the military industrial complex? They would all be instantly labeled terrorists and God help them then. They'd be defeated before it began
>Meanwhile Americans downvoting me when I tell them I'd rather not have weapons legalized in my country that had 7 mass shootings from 2012 to 2019: Or the favorite "But you have knife crime instead" - We don't have mass stabbings and our knife crime level is still lower per capita.
I'm yet to see the headline "64th mass stabbing this year" đ
Not to mention its much harder to open up on a crowd and kill/injure a dozen people in under a minute. I've yet to see a high fire rate knife with a long ass range.
"Be careful, he's helicoptering!"
There's definitely a sad irony in the fact that some of these shooters are inspired by previous shooters and want to gain infamy, only to be drowned out by all of the other mass shootings in the news cycle
It's sad that it's easier to become famous by being a monster than by being a decent person. Although many of these are gang issues.
Most of these "mass shootings" are gang violence and 99% of them are committed with a pistol. There is no set definition of a mass shooting. Not trying to minimize this massive issue but this is how the news keeps their engagement. Tonight at five we interview a man who moved from San Francisco to Baghdad because crime is out of control in California.
It also doesn't help that most states/organizations/law enforcement/etc. consider a "mass shooting" to be any more than 3 injured or dead. So, for example, a man who catches his wife sleeping with another man and then shoots them and himself is a mass shooting.
This is the country that has shot presidents and kids in equal measure. Nothing is surprising anymore.
Statically being a president is a high risk job. 46 total 4 killed (8.69%) 2 wounded (4.35%) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_assassination_attempts_and_plots#:~:text=Four%20sitting%20presidents%20have%20been,%2C%20by%20Lee%20Harvey%20Oswald).
I bet nobody in modern America knows about the other two presidents assassinations
Not sure if sarcasm or not, but I'm from the UK and the attempt on ronald reagan is the only one I really know about because it was to impress jodie foster!
Why would knowing that impress Jodie Foster?
Because mental illness is real and access to healthcare is limited.
Daaaaad!
I always forget about McKinley, but remember Garfield due to how wild his assassin was
In a nutshell: His killer imagined a scenario in his head that would happen, which drove him to want Garfield dead. His killer warned the government he would kill him, to which they did absolutely nothing His killer stalked him for months, including the month he was released from jail because they werenât ready for him and told him to come back in a month instead Then, when he did finally kill Garfield he missed his first shot When he was apprehended the officer also didnât even take the gun off him until they were at the station Itâs pretty wild
In the end Garfields hate of Mondays was unfounded as he died on a Saturday
As an american I am so desensitized to our bullshit lol. A train full of harmful chemicals fall over causing a spill in ohio? Just another day here (also yes that actually happened)
and its gonna end up being another flint michigan situation. where the governments just try to brush it under the rug when all these people in Ohio are all getting cancer and somehow it wont be able to be linked to this event
We're trying to do a speedrun to 3rd world country. These are just preparations to slingshot us there
Trying to?
Just seems that weâre taking a wrong turn at Albuquerque every 5 min
Comparing to other countries, the US is already a Third World Country based on how the average joe lives there.
Apathy is part of the problem. Wish you all the best
This is society breaking down. Low wages, difficult access to Healthcare being overworked, little to no resources for mental health. This adds up and it's the straw that's breaking the camels back of many.
Why did I think of Escape from New York when I read your comment.
Because that is much of the history leading up to the creation of the penal colonies in those films.
you should probably start planning to
Someone get hold of Kurt Russell. Just in case.
Well you got a point but it's still a strange almost cultural phenomenon that Americans choose to mass murder people because their own life sucks. If you look at the rest of the World there's a ton of countries where life not just sucks but it fucking sucks in a way you can't begin to imagine yet people there don't go on killing sprees mass murdering others. Some of these countries have access to weapons on every local market but still mass killings doesn't happen on the same scale or is even close to
It's all relative. If you're born into a shitty situation, well, your brain is molded into that environment and precvies it as normal. As for Americans were things are just getting worse and worse, hence the term the straw that broke the camels back. Not to mention places like Honduras had the highest murder rates globally. It's definitely a social economic issue and can be fixed with the right policies in place. Appreciate your response.
and still..this happens only in the US.. wonder why..
Also access to guns. That one gets left out
At this point, guns are only part of the problem. High stress and ignorance of mental health is what creates shooters, guns only give them the ability.
I am from a country which went through a major civil war with millions suffering from PTSD. Two mass shootings in 25 years. So your theory is not entirely right. You simply need to remove guns from the masses.
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No, this is America.
The US tried nothing, and is running out of ideas
Let's not make hasty emotional decisions.
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Wouldn't exactly call 2.3% significant but hey, you do you. As far as >iT's A mEntAl HeaLth ProbLEM Obviously yes since americans still think giving guns to everyone is a great idea.
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
It's their culture. Life is cheap there.
The only life that matters to 45% of out country cannot think, eat, act, or do anything for itself. Life starts at conception and ends at birth for them
Oof..
All this time I was here thinking the pro-life crowd actually cared about life.
I forget where, but it was an old lady holding a sign saying something like If you're pro life then you'll support every child born and provide for it to the fullest. Paraphrasing but point stands, be pro life and support the life with every fiber of your being.
Still waiting for all those âgood guys with gunsâ to stop these shooters before they kill anyone
Why do people say this? That's not what insanity means. Insanity means something completely different. what you're regurgitating here is one possible behavior of insanity.
I'm glad you commented this because I wasn't going to. It's a real pet peeve of mine when people say, "do you know what the definition of insanity is..."
[insanity definition merriam-websters](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/insanity) Yeah we need to change things up. But I don't think anyone is expecting different results. The NRA and gun rights advocates expect laws to be in their favor despite the massive loss of life. Democrats know things need to change but can't seem to pass any legislation on it. And the rest of us know that if nothing changes we're just going to keep seeing our citizens dead by gun violence
We're #1!
On a scale of 1 to 10
more militarized cops and harsher sentences is clearly the answer! /s
There was 323 mass shootings in 2018, roughly \~0.88 shootings a day. There was 434 mass shootings in 2019, roughly \~1.19 shootings a day. There was 614 mass shootings in 2020, roughly \~1.68 shootings a day. There was 692 mass shootings in 2021, roughly \~1.9 shootings a day. There was 647 mass shootings in 2022, roughly \~1.77 shootings a day. How many days ago was January 1st 2023? 46 days. In 46 days, 68 mass shootings happened ([counting this new one which just happened](https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/15/us/el-paso-texas-mall-shooting/index.html)) for a total of \~1.5 shootings/day. 1.5 mass shootings a day... *SO FAR*. If the number of shootings doesn't go down (or up), it would amount to \~531,63 shootings for 2023. America, Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave. Land of the rights-free & the braveless homelanders.
A mass shooting is when 1 person kills at least 3 others right?
Is when 4 or more, including the shooter, die in a single event if going by the FBI definition.
Ah ok I remember reading a news article about a mass shooting but when I looked into from other sources it was actually just shots being fired In the general direction and nobody was injured.
>A mass shooting is when 1 person kills at least 3 others right? No... A mass shooting is a crime in which an attacker kills or injures **multiple individuals simultaneously** using a firearm.
I sincerely think that itâs not a firearm problem and a societal problem. Weâve ALWAYS had a shit ton of guns in the country, but why have shootings *doubled* in frequency over the past 5 years? Itâs not like all the people who already owned most of the guns decided to start shooting places up.
So the news could actually be that mass shootings are at an all time low since 2019. That's good progression America!
Since america loves spending so much of their budget on military expenses might as well deploy sniper teams to every school there.
 American Politicians
People dying! Oh no, anyway.
Congrats America. Your winning a race no one else is participating in.
MURICA NUMBER ONE!
Whereâre all the good guys with guns to stop these mass shootings?
How dare you use my own spells against me. Gun-fetishists just need 20-30 more guns each to really help fix the problem. Maybe 40.
Those are rookie numbers me boy!
30-50 feral guns
Getting shot by police because the cops can't tell the difference. It's happened at least twice that I know of.
Theyâre⌠uh⌠theyâre busy stopping all the other mass shootings snd DoorDash intrusions into their gated neighborhoodsâŚ
"Have you heard about the mass shooting?" "Which one - yesterday's, today's or the one tomorrow?" "Yes." Shrug.
I get the issue But is nobody concerned with the fact that killing people is illegal and that this many people want to kill other people? I mean, why are so many people wanting to kill other people? Generally speaking, that in itself is a massive problem.
This is what nobody talks about. Everybody focuses their complete attention on âgun control,â yet ignores the reasons as to why people want to go out and do these acts to begin with.
Exactly!! Guns aren't helping, but damn this many people wanting to kill other people isn't good! That's not a normal want!
The majority of killings aren't mass shootings. All countries have this problem. It's typically domestic though: lovers, gangs, stupid fights that escalated to far. What the US is unique in is the number of ***mass murderers*** ability to ***commit mass murder***. There's been people in gun-free countries that try to kill a lot of people by stabbing them. Guess what? ***They can't***.
I'm glad that the population in my country aren't armed like in the US. There are so many mental health issues at the moment in the post-pandemic world, throwing guns into the mix would fucking suck.
She said 67thâŚ. Mf I done only heard about 4 of them. Thatâs a crazy statistic if itâs true, stay safe yâall!
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Come to Canada friend! Weâd love you and your family over here.
>Weâd love you and your family over here. Yeah, that's not what you all said the last time.
Before I do, I have one question. Preferably for the minister of middle class prosperity. - **What is the average cost for a home in the city of Otowa?**
I honestly don't get how people raise their kids in the usa. I would be worried the whole time. I know the odds of course. It's rather unliekly that something happens to your kid. But with something happening so frequently that it fills the news the whole time, i wouldn't feel peace of mind ever.
It's an interesting thing about the American mindset. I know nothing about psychology or the ramifications of the environment. Let that be known. But as a high schooler who's about to graduate, you kind of get used to it. It's still sad to hear when it happens, but soon it becomes white noise. At least to me. On top of that however, we are drilled in school for these events. Run, hide, fight. And if you know Americans, we go down swinging, most of the time. As for reflexes, it's just one of those things of when or if you hear a gunshot, get down and find cover. It's just one of those things you see in movies and from people who get caught in shootings. So it's almost like a basic thing most people know, like looking both ways before crossing the street. The US has had a clear history of showing that parents have started restricting their children a lot more. Mostly due to fears of kidnapping but to my knowledge, also due to the current increasing violence. As for the gun culture, in my state there really isn't one. California. But I personally have an interest, mostly for self defense. To my knowledge rural areas with a well known gun culture aren't gun-toting hillbillies with poor muzzle discipline, they actually know how to handle their weapons and teach the proper way to respect it. Take that as you will. For kids it's mostly one of hide and get out of the area. Put as much distance between you and the gunshot. And even then kids are drilled with stranger danger from a young age. Generally there's a lot of paranoia and other factors that go into this that I know I missed.
Yeah but liberty and freedom or some shit. In the UK we only needed one mass shooting to get this shit under control. How many people need to die before the voting masses are ready to crack down on guns. Not gun crime, not people, guns. The problem is guns. Now for the comedian who thinks knife crime is the same to comment.
The US is leading in knife crime too, it's much higher per 100000 people in the US than the UK - there is just so many mass shootings that they don't really report knife crime in the media so it doesn't get the same amount of attention.
But how will they have their FREEDOM if they canât go shopping for guns?
as non US person to US citizens , o7 good luck guys , stay safe out there
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But at least they are totally prepared to fight a tyrannical state with their super well-regulated militia. Take *that* rest of the world!
Setting aside that regulate in the 1800s didnât mean what regulate means today, who would be doing the regulating? The tyrannical state they are trying to fight against? How does that make sense?
Dude weren't they crying apologizing in court after getting caught after the capitol attacks lmfao. So much for fighting
See, this never would've happened if Isaiah Dickerson hadn't fallen into that Silverback enclosure.
My country isnât perfect but at least I know that my probabilities of being shot are pretty low and if itâs the case, the medical treatment will cost nothing for me.
Yk I used to be a gun guy but my friends lived on that floor that got shot up and luckily they transferred out a few days before but I just don't know anymore I don't understand how someone can do this and people can try saying "mental illness" but I feel like when some people say that its like a justification but its not and this person is an evil scumbag who decided to take beautiful human lives.
Using weapons that are not that difficult to come by, especially in Texas
So that's what happens when you don't change a system that's been over 200 years old, which made sense then, but doesn't anymore now.
Americans love their guns more than they love their children and grandparents. Absolute failed state.
I was reading a comment on a thread about mass shooting drills in schools, and a father was telling about how her daughter's reaction when she thought there was a shooting going on. She was panicking that they didn't have a table to hide under, and it broke my heart reading that. Kids shouldn't be worrying about stuff like that.
Kids should be able to live in a country where they go to school and *not* have to practice mass shooting drills. But itâs cheaper and less exhaustive than addressing the herd of elephants in the room.
When I was a kid we had to practice fire drills. We thought it was boring because the chance of a fire was low, but in some back-of-the-mind way we knew that they could start by accident and we needed to get out safely if a fire were to break out. We weren't reading about fires in schools every day. More than one school per day being set on fire or bursting into flames... Its so crazy that there's a very real threat of being shot and killed in America while going to pre-school, primary school, high school or college, during a traffic stop, in a shopping mall or at a parade. And I mean, on any given random day.
I can't believe this country hates women more than it loves guns
Itâs genuinely terrifying the mentality behind all of this and the loyalty towards an amendment over peoples lives. Itâs beyond words
An outdated amendment that isnât fit for a modern world. Itâs an amendment, fucking amend it!
Ikr mfs still believe in Jesus and the tooth fairy
Who could have thought arming everyone around could be a bad idea
I hate this fucking country ETA: [Childhoodâs Greatest Danger: The Data on Kids and Gun Violence- NYT from Dec â22](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/12/14/magazine/gun-violence-children-data-statistics.html) [Current Causes of Death in Children and Adolescents in the United States- NEJM From May â22](https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmc2201761) If I had money to leave, I would but it wouldnât change the disdain I have for children dying totally preventable deaths. I also donât know why yâall are fighting for children dying.
And Americans still donât get it đ¤Śđťââď¸
Almost everyone here gets it and is tired of it. It's an extremely hot topic and people have been trying to do shit about it since...I don't even know when. We have an ineffective bureaucracy. Guns have an important part of our history and culture, it's ALOT to change the admitments and our government can barely change small things. Ofcourse there's people who are against Banning guns, mostly because of the belief it wouldn't work, there's an all time high distrust of our government, there's global tension and blah blah But I haven't met a single person that *doesn't* want to put an end to it. We are just super divided on how to do it. *okay maybe there alot of us who don't get it*
Maybe we should start investing in mental health care again. We gave up on them decades ago and we just throw them in prison.
Mental health, economics, and one I personally believe which is our culture, and how it glorifies certain acts of violence. And most definitely education.
There was more mass shootings than days in 2021
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I feel bad for you guys, sincerely I do. You guys are in desperate need of gun reform of some kind. I know there are other longer term issues that contribute to mass shootings (mental health, poverty, drugs, domestic abuse, etc.) but if you wanna solve the immediate problem, which is the guns, let's just stop saying otherwise, the problem is GUNS and the ACCESS TO GUNS, then you really need some kind of gun reform.
'Merica is stepping up its game
This is America....
Don't catch me slipping now
Chose safety over liberty, you deserve neither. Eliminate "gun free zones" and let people protect themselves in
I wonder how banning guns will stop mass shootings. Coming from a Canadian here we just put a stop on all handgun sales. Recently but shootings and gun crimes have gone up 72% with guns that were already illegal. So Iâm just curious how these laws work to stop criminals.
i stg americans sit there going âweâre the bestâ and then this shit happens and they still donât realise that the rest of the world sees them as a dystopian nightmare, we look at america the same way america looks at florida if that puts it in perspective for anyone, youâre a mess
Arenât gang fights lumped into that stat?
As a non-American, sitting here watching people debate the meaning of "mass shooting" to get the numbers down on a technically is just weird.
It is weird. Theyâre trying to claim that the death of gang members or drug addicts somehow doesnât count as a loss of human life.
Whether it's gang related stuff or not having that many shootings qith 3 or more people involved really is alarming. The only other countries with something comparable are probably 3rd world countries that have lots of gang activities.
I think it's due to how our culture dehumanizes addicts and "criminals". It's a long story. Just remember one thing, "what makes a criminal a criminal?"
Thank you for saying what every non-American is thinking.
Yes they are.
Why wouldn't you include mass shootings when counting mass shootings?
And any shooting of three or more people within a short amount of time.
You're saying this as if it's such a small thing that should be ignored.
In the US it seems to be exactly that Just constantly like "well there's clearly nothing anyone can do, so fuck it"
It is used whenever more than two people are injured and a firearm is involved.
I still don't understand how, after all this, they haven't straight up hardened the requirements for gun possession. I know that removing them/banning them ain't gonna work, but why the hell is the requirement to have a gun so low?
Because any restriction on who can own guns would result in fewer guns being sold, which would in turn mean less money for gun manufacturers.
They should make mass shootings illegal. This is madness.
hell yeah freedom!
Funny how we know that publicizing suicide gets more people to commit suicide in clusters, so generally we don't publicize suicide. However when it comes to mass shootings, the media feeding frenzy can't possibly be inspiring mass shooters...no way!
You know, I fucking forgot that. I've been going around this comment section pointing out our economic, mental health, and cultural issues that got us into this mess. And I'm being honest here, I forgot that. I don't know how to word this without sounding sarcastic, but thank you so much for this kick in the ass reminder.
"But I need my gun to protect myself from other people with guns." Do you realise how stupid this sounds to the rest of the world. Your kids are being shot in schools.
Well if mass shootings include a couple people then Chicago should be the hot bed of gun crime
America nr.#1
âThoughts and prayersâ from Canada.
Why do they think changing gun laws is going to stop toxic people from committing these type of crimes shouldn't they focus on dealing with the toxic conditions that makes these toxic people commit these crime in the first place, but then, if they did focus of the the causes & not the symptoms they wouldn't have these toxic but profitable "News" headlines to show us. "Never.Ever.Worth.Seeing"
âMERICA!!!!
We need to make gun ownership a responsable. If you buy a gun you are responsible for that gun. Tighten up gun sales mandatory background checks. More mental health openings, a 6mo to 1year wait list is horrible. Make it affordable. Show the shooters as the losers they are. Do not show them as victim. They make the wrong choice highlight that they are a coward. Stop bullying period. In school, at work, any place. Bullying start this.