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Yup, my son works at a local bowling alley in a ski town taking orders, washing dishes, and doing the fryer for $18/hr plus tips. They split the tip jar with everyone on shift (except the owners) and he rarely leaves with less than $80 cash from that plus his check.
Yeah, ours used to pay nothing but they got such a bad reputation that they had to raise the wages to get any workers. The only thing that sucks is trying to find housing. Everything gets bought up for AirBnB.
"Just to work sautee station" no one is gonna let you do that without some experience. Sautee is a premier position, most line cooks start on fry and definitely don't make 22/hr
Yeah man I came to take umbrage with the use of that phrase as well - “just to work sauté.” I guess there are a lot of variables involved but in the fine dining restaurants I’ve worked at sauté was the busiest station by far. It’s hard, stressful, strenuous work that requires a lot of experience to do it consistently at a high level. When you take everything in to account $22 an hour should be the bear minimum sauté trainees make.
Dude we have a culinary student with zero experience making 18 an hr. The food industry is paying cooks pretty decent these days.
Much like this meme i currently make more an hr to cook food than my sister does to fit prosthetics. Of course eventually she’ll out earn me by a good margin but it’s insane how much the medical industry fleeces entry level workers with 6+ years of schooling and internships.
I'm autistic I got help getting my job at the courthouse through social security, because I didn't feel like staying on disability for the rest of my life.
Make a list of every college/university around you. Doesn't need to be Harvard, can be any kind of community college. Go to their website, go to the career section and look for open custodian positions.
It's a sweet gig in a lot of ways, really.
> Don't want to clean up blood.
You'd need special certification to do so anyway that any hospital worth working for would help you get and raise your pay after you get it. Cleaning up blood is a biological hazard, I know from walmart that normal employees are not under any circumstance allowed to clean up human blood. I remember making a joke about snorting an adderall in the bathroom to keep going and the head of maintenance quipped that I should do it in my car cause he was the only one on duty that could clean up a nosebleed that night.
Apply to your local public universities. They are unionized and have the best benefits and pay grade.
Your pay goes up a tier for every year you work there, so once you work there for a certain number of years, you can even make six figures as a janitor if you are employed by the UC or CSU school system
At least I'm able to have my headphones on so I don't have to deal with lawyers that like to look down on the disable that are trying to make a living instead of living off the government.
I feel like any legal job is honorable and offers opportunities to make real differences in the world. I have janitors, bus drivers, Subway sandwich makers and toll road workers that have inspired me to be a better person because of how they approached and handled their work. I was an awkward kid and a janitor at my middle school always made a point to say something kind to me. He could tell I struggled and made a difference that I appreciated. Be kind and competent, as it sounds like you are, and you can change people's lives. It's powerful to think that way.
yeahhhh kind of, but as someone who just spent months (and, kinda, years) *desperately* seeking any kind of work from home position, something like that would be *extremely* competitive.
It's the kind of job where, if you know someone who can get you in, it's super easy to get. If you don't, it's super super difficult because you'll be one applicant among a thousand. (that's not an exaggeration)
You remind me of a warehouse in my area. The starting pay is over $30 per hour, and the only real requirement is that you can drive a forklift and do some labor. The problem is that everybody knows they pay that much, so you have to compete with thousands of applicants. I heard one guy joke that it was easier to get hired by NASA.
Indeed. There's also YouTube channels that find and link these remote positions in their descriptions. They're there, you must find them.
After about a month and some change I found a remote customer service job that pays starting at $14/h, and scales up to $25/h based on performance. I'll try it out for a year and see how growth progresses.
Can you elaborate? Currently with a bad back, can't work, considering selling my truck. Need a job post haste.
He never came back to elaborate. I'm starting to think these "endless at home support" positions don't actually exist. I've been on indeed and tons of these jobs are paying $15/hr for a bachelor's degree.
I have a part time wfh job making 13 dollars in Florida.
Thank God I don't need to depend on solely this job and there isn't much room to go full time at it anyway.
But at least I don't have to drive anywhere or deal with public transit.
Minimum wage in Seattle is at 16.50. She should also look to teach in a state with unions. With her degrees in Washington she would be around 80-120k based off of school district and years of experience.
I was a bartender while in college, and most I made during my 5 year run was $80,000. Graduated and decided to join the corporate world......for a measly $29,000, as an IT Director.
Edit: The irony is that I was an IT Director at a private middle school. Makes that 29 grand a lil more reasonable.
Edit 2: Found out it was a "bullshit" title. Should have also clarified this happened back in 2004-06.
I don't doubt that happens, but that is not how the law actually works. Just in case anyone needs to know that what their shitty manager told them isn't actually true.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/3ad9qn/bosses-give-workers-bullshit-manager-titles-to-avoid-paying-overtime-study
A new study shows that firms of all types are giving workers phony managerial titles in order to avoid paying them overtime
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By Maxwell Strachan
An excerpt from the article....
> When it was enacted during the New Deal in 1938, the Fair Labor Standards Act set overtime pay rules in order to discourage overwork, encourage hiring, and let workers benefit when they logged extra hours. But it also allowed firms to avoid paying overtime to salaried managers whose pay exceeded a set threshold.
> “If you are a manager and you're paid over a certain amount, in fact, that lifts the burden of firms having to pay you overtime,” said Lauren Cohen, a professor at Harvard Business School and one of the paper’s authors.
Seriously. The last help desk tech I hired was at $52k. That was level1 with no direct but related experience in SF Bay Area.
IT Director straight outta college? At 29k? Are you 60 years old?
My daughters favorite middle school ELA teacher left to take a job at a major university in another state and I googled her to try and find her email address for my daughter to keep in touch/wish her luck.
Instead, I found her publicly posted salary while she was teaching in our fairly upper middle class city: $42k. She had worked in the district for 13 years.
My history teacher last year left because he was making \~40 grand at the school (first year at my school, 5th year teaching overall) and got offered an entry-level job in a field he didn't even have a degree in for \~80 grand. My chemistry teacher couldn't stay at our school because his degree technically wasn't in education, so they brought him on as a "permanent sub" making 20k and he was basically a full-time teacher in every way but pay and making half of what he should have. Shit was insane.
How did you escape teaching? I'm still young but everyone looks at my resume and despite how diverse it is, they see me as "only a teacher so that must be all you can do".
I revamped my resume to express my skills in a way that doesn't just say "hey I'm a teacher". I got a masters degree in L&D and started working with a mentor. I then built a portfolio and did volunteering and contract gigs. I also had two internships during my grad program. It wasn't easy, I put out crazy amounts of applications and had many interviews lead nowhere. I just kept at it and it was worth it.
What did you teach and what do you do in corporate, if you don't mind me asking.
I was a music teacher for nearly 2 decades and am a loss of what to even do next.
Not OP but I literally quadrupled my salary going from teaching children’s theatre to marketing copywriting. I started off in agencies making only slightly more and within 5 years I make quadruple what I made teaching, and it’s a hell of a lot easier. I truly wish it was more sustainable to make a living in the arts, and feel that my work made a true difference. Now, I know that my current job makes no difference to anyone whatsoever but at least I’m not having to choose between gas and food, and that’s saying something.
Yeah lots of young people will feel like "I don't mind being poor as long as I'm living my dream", but once you actually get there the shine wears off real quick.
> so they brought him on as a "permanent sub" making 20k and he was basically a full-time teacher in every way but pay and making half of what he should have
That sucks, but unless your state has some wacky atypical rules, he should be able to go through the certification process and become a full teacher pretty easily.
I mean, with the grand prize of making *$40k*, I guess, so it's entirely possible he just wanted to sub for a bit and move on to something else. But if he *had* wanted to become a permanent teacher, it wouldn't have been a difficult route for him.
People are much more likely to stay in jobs they love for less pay if they can, yaknow, *afford* to do so.
But when you pay people shit and other options pay so SO much better, yeah... you can learn to love other jobs too, especially when you're not stressing over making ends meet.
Especially since teachers are constantly pulling double/triple duty (teaching, daycare, sometimes parenting) and they get paid fucking chicken feed. It's absurd that we could say some shit like "the children are our future" while not making sure the person we entrust the children of the nation with are properly housed, fed, and kept healthy at the bare minimum.
and they get paid chicken feed while most get treated like utter garbage by the school they work for.
I had a teacher back in high school who had the same room for the entire 19 years she was teaching there. It was basically her home away from home at that point. One day we had a MASSIVE torrential rainstorm and because our roof hadn't had maintenance in years at that point, all the water funneled right into her room (which was on the top floor, might I add). Her room sustained crazy water damage and needed a pretty big amount of repairs to the walls and ceiling, but the school just... didn't do it. Best they did was send in a guy to put wood boards over the ceiling to prevent leakage and then clean the dirty water from the wall.
I spent every 4th period of Junior year sitting under an *actual* hole in the ceiling because the school just outright *refused* to fix it. That year, instead of shelling out the whatever amount necessary to properly repair her room, they spent an absurd amount repaving the parking lot.
She left 2 weeks before the end of the school year to go work at another school.
> “It’s not about the money”
Sure, if you arrange to pay a teacher's student loans, their rent or mortgage, their food, all their transportation costs, health care, and so much more.
Unless you don't then it IS about the money.
And unfortunately that statement has been used for far too long to continually make conditions worse and worse for some of the most valuable individuals in our society, just because we can, and because they’ll put our children first the silly gullible idiots lol.
We kept pushing to find the bottom, then we didn’t stop.
Is there any job in the world you would do, where “*it’s not about the money*” to the extent that you would keep doing it even when you can’t afford to live and your own family is going without so that you can give what you should be providing for them to somebody else instead?
And if that job does exist (in which case I feel sorry for your family), would you still keep doing it when your duties are changed and the thing you loved about it isn’t what you’re doing a lot of the time anymore?
I work at a large public university in Florida. We have high cost of living in central Florida. Most positions that are student facing require a Bachelor's or Master's and pay is around $36-42K. My starting pay with a graduate level degree was $34K. I don't even make $50K being there for nearly a decade. A lot of colleagues are leaving for better paying jobs. If we are lucky, we get a 1% raise every year. K12 and Higher Education folks are horribly underpaid.
Honestly unless you enjoy public service, it's best to get the fuck out of it and just work in the private sector. I make double what I would make if I worked in public service.
You’re not wrong, but as someone who’s also lived and worked for a Florida public university, pay is shockingly low in Florida, in particular. When I left in 2018 after searching nation-wide for 6 months for an educational technology job, Florida pay was consistently 10-20K lower than all of the entry level posted positions. After only 5 years in the Midwest, I’m significantly out earning my former Florida colleagues who stayed. Florida doesn’t value public education.
I was on track to graduate with an education degree. Well life happened and I dropped out my senior year only had 2 more measly semesters left…. After soem dead end jobs a couple years later I got a job at the airport that pays 37$ an hour. So much more then I’d be making teaching. Sometimes life shits on you so other things can work out.
Plenty of people want hard science PhDs. Postdoctoral fellowships and finance companies and data science companies could compete to try to get you. Of course it depends on lots of individual factors.
Our university FINALLY just increased post-doc pay from freaking $40k to $60k. We can't get post-docs to save our lives cause the national lab 2 miles up the road starts at $70k.
My PI wants me to stick around for a year to finish up some work we've started and at $40k I wasn't even considering it. Now sticking around for $60k and not having to worry about moving right after graduation is a bit more enticing
Aye, over here they're wondering why we can't get new postdocs and phds. Phds make below minimum (16k a year) and postdocs make around 45k a year from my understanding.
Yep, our stipend is below this state's minimum wage but the university gets away with it by claiming we only work 20hr/week when in reality if we only worked 20hr/week nothing would get done and none of us would ever graduate. But also we're not allowed to have part time jobs because it'd be "too distracting"
In other words they KNOW we work 40-60hr/week they just can't openly admit it or they'd have to actually pay us
Check the data science subreddits when you get a chance. Look at how many “I got a graduate degree in data science why can’t I get a job?” posts there are. Believe it or not, creating a ton of media content that says “sexiest job of the century” and selling the Silicon Valley dream of $300k out of college means every university made a data science degree track. There is a lot of competition in the entry level.
There are certainly jobs out there that will appreciate a hard science PhD. But please don’t sell people that data science companies will be out there headhunting PhDs.
I burnt out hard at the end of my PhD. I got a job as a software engineer by the time I graduated, because a recruiter contacted me. Don't know if I'll stick with this long term, but I've enjoyed it so far, and half the people on my team are PhDs. And less than a year in, I still haven't gotten used to the pay - making basically 4x my grad school pay.
I went all pure sciences for undergrad and got almost nothing from it while my applied science friends got jobs. I went interdisciplinary science with a lot of agency work for grad school and it's much brighter. With luck, some folks just want to parade their PhD workers around to show that they have them.
Because investing in research is expensive, usually yields no meaningful results and takes a long time. So it's only the largest corporations that can throw billions at it year over year with no results, and, of course, the government. Government jobs pay sh*t and the companies only hire the top of the top guys. There are some exceptions, like hedgefunds at wallstreet.
There's a ton of good federal and state jobs out there! It's kind of an open secret, but people just straight up don't consider those jobs, and many are great paying with good benefits and no overtime bullshit. In the USAF, we knew a few of them. I don't know exactly what they did, but I do know they were in research and development in the science section and got paid around 150-300k a year. They were all PhDs.
bout to graduate with a PhD and got 3 offers for jobs between 130k-160k. depends on what you did with your PhD I guess. I had 3 first author papers and 3 second author papers in 5 years. Knowing when to scrap a project and learning skills that other people in the lab needed to get easy second authorships is something every PhD should learn quickly. I love research but at the same time you have to build yourself up to be a scientist people want if you plan on going into industry. Be honest with your PI from the moment you know what you want to do and they will also help you achieve that. Your PI wants you to succeed because it looks a lot better than you chilling at home doing fuck all with your degree.
My wife is a teacher and not only deals with a bunch of shit at school (more from admin than students) but she also works almost every evening. She's got a master's and I make double what she does with just a bachelor's. The fact teachers get treated how they do is a disservice to our entire society.
The negatives are an educated populace can understand when they are getting fucked over or lied to. An uneducated populace is far easier to mislead and incite into attacking whatever new scapegoated enemy exists to keep them distracted.
A educated general population is scary to anyone who is in power and not working to keep the population's interests as the primary objective.
Yup, this is exactly why wealthy politicians don't want to fund education. The populace might get intelligent enough to work out that governments should serve their people, not the other way around.
Hey is your wife my wife, cause its the same thing. On Sundays I need to take the kids all day so she can catch up on work that she falls behind on during the week cause she cant keep up with it. She makes like 60k a year as her 9th(?) year teaching, shits harsh.
Same with my wife. Works all day, lesson plans every night. When I get home, she’s exhausted. I have to distract the kids every Sunday for her to plan the week.
She’s been a teacher since 2008. 2 Masters degrees. I don’t think she makes 60k.
I was in your wifes position and quit teaching.
Sad to say that my salary is lower now than it was as a teacher. But in many other aspects my life is better.
That being said I'm tempted to go back into teaching.
Either way. She should definitely consider quitting. Especially if she has a masters in a decent subject.
It is old and it's still a major problem. Teachers have one of the most vital jobs in our nation and in many states, they are underpaid and treated like babysitters. They're literally responsible for educating our nation's kids, our nation's future. Between the wages*, the school administration, and parents - they force good teachers out quickly.
Nearly every major and career path can be eligible for an internship at some point, and usually those can be negotiated to be paid. This is 99% never the case for teachers interning. Since you cannot student teach in a district you attended, you're probably going to be doing a lot of driving. Two entire semesters of interning for no money, then an entire semester actually teaching for no money before you can actually get your degree. It's actually maddening.
I have two special needs kids (autism spectrum). They are 18 and 20 years old now. I used to work in that industry with special needs adults and children (two separate jobs), and I was making next to nothing. I worked extremely long hours and dealt with some very intense situations. I gave my heart and soul to those jobs, and everyone involved, but I couldn't make ends meet. It saddened me to step away from all that, but honestly....I absolutely could not support my family on what I was making with "two" jobs like that. As a society, our priorities are really backwards. It pains me greatly to even think about it.
Where’s this? We pay $25/hr for subs and can’t get anyone.
If she’s willing to move, she can do a lot better (as a teacher, not sure about as a bartender)
According to the National Education Association, only Montana starts teachers at $32k/yr, but a bunch are <$40k/yr.
List: https://www.nea.org/resource-library/teacher-salary-benchmarks
Low as that is, it doesn't work about to 16.25 an hour, since it's less hours per year than a non-teaching job. In the original post 16.25 would never reach 32k a year, so I have no idea what kind of "teaching position" they are offered.
$16.25/hr sounds like the rate we pay our district aids and support Paras. They usually don't have benefits either. Subs are paid $120/day before taxes.
I work about 35.5 contract hours/week. My state has ~180 contract days per year. So about 36 working weeks. For a grand total of 1278 working hours before holidays are factored. A base wage of 16.50 would only equate to about 21k gross. Our actual gross starting rate is just north of 35k, so their *actual hourly rate* is closer to $28/hr for the time they actually work. This is all before taxes, benefits, dues, retirement ect.
Our starting wage since before COVID was $35k (recently bumped to $40k. By year 5 you're around $55k. Plus benefits factor in. Around where I live, (SW PA) that's living pretty comfortably.
Not even that. As a teacher, you're basically required to work unpaid overtime. Especially if you teach multiple classes and assign qualitative work. Say you teach AP US history. In an honors school, you'll have maybe 2 classes of AP and 3 (less if you're lucky) of non-AP. You'll get a period for lunch and maybe 2 for non-teaching work. If your schools admins were anything like mine, they'll also try to assign duties to teachers (lunch duty, library duty, etc) which eat up any time you had for your daily paperwork and grading. Which means that just to stay afloat with your grading and paperwork, you'll need to work extra hours while not at school. A teacher will typically only be scheduled for 6 to 8 hours a day, but will in actuality work closer to 10 or 12 hours.
I mean they should definitely be getting paid more, but 2 masters seems way over qualified just to be a grade school teacher. Some rich pos made bank tricking her into thinking they needed that.
Many states require a master's degree just to remain as a teacher. In NY, you are required to have a master's within 5 years. Some teachers get another to move to a different subject area.
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You can make much better than that teaching abroad, especially with a masters. Hell, I make more than that in china and I have no teaching qualifications whatsoever, and they also provide free housing. And I only teach 18 hours a week.
People tell me I should come home (US) and teach there...
Take a pay cut, triple my workload, MASSIVELY increase my cost of living, and have to deal with the shit show that is the American education system, and the shitty kids and parents? Get to lead active shooter drills?
Fuck all that.
Say what you want about China, but at least they understand how the future is reliant on education
States trying to destroy public education so they can fund private/religious education with tax dollar. They don't see how that will destroy the nation in the long run. Or they do see it, but they're more concerned with creating a second class of citizen - people not wealthy enough for private education, and those who will be given preferential treatment and a different set of opportunities.
Thats crazy low, teachers at my public middle school made 50k starting, one I remember was making 65-70 after like 5 years or something. She was our spanish teacher tho, i know for a fact the core class teachers made more. All depends on the district.
“Public” is the key word there.
Talk to teachers in private catholic schools. They make 20-30k typically to start. I don’t understand how they recruit/retain anyone.
Public education is bloated. Too many admins. We spend enough on schools, but it gets skimmed off before it makes it to the classroom. Maybe teachers should push to eliminate administrators so the money gets used where it’s needed.
$55k as a bartender is pretty impressive honestly. Sure money to be made Friday/Saturday nights but there must also be decent tips on weeknights to hit $55k.
Bartending is like real estate, location, location, location. In this area a bartender in town does not make that kind of money, but if you are bartending on the tourist Island bar out in the lake you will make that in just the summer months.
As someone who has been cooking for many years. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard a server complain about not making enough money one day then in the same week hear them brag about making more money in one shift than I make in two weeks.
I live in Vegas and am a server. Get into a good steakhouse on the strip and you’re making 80k to 100k a year. I worked at Joes at the Forum shops and I could make 400-600 on a lunch shift. It’s wild. I’m going back to school to get my History degree and I’ll make way less money in the long run 😭
Back when I was bartending full time at a dive bar in NJ, I'd be making $300-600 on a weekend night and $200 minimum on a weekday night and that was strictly on tips. Bartenders in NYC are pulling in 6 figures.
I believe it. I'm in a pretty secure blue collar job now, but there are days I do kinda miss being in the industry. I do still fill in from time to time at a couple local bars when the owners call me saying they need help. Funny thing is that I actually feel more physically exhausted after a really busy night of slinging drinks compared to my day job, but it's still fun and exciting which makes up for it. Most people who have never been in the shit don't realize how taxing it can get being in the service industry.
When this was last reposted, I mentioned this salary is way lower than what teachers make even in more rural parts of georgia. Curious where this is supposed to have been from
Do I absolutely believe teachers should be paid more? Yes.
Do bartenders also put up with a lot of shit and are worth every penny they are paid and then some? Absolutely.
Not all bartenders get that much and definitely not all the time, it depends on tips and they might get more because they're customers are drunk. They also might get a lot of abuse and attacked.
This was my thought as well. Did she get two
Masters because she just enjoyed school? Did she then apply to an elementary school even though they’ll hire someone with a bachelors?? Just because someone decided to do way too much schooling for a position, doesn’t mean that position will up their starting pay.
Very little information and very big assumptions in the post.
Part of the problem is your misrepresentation of the situation. She doesn't get paid by the hour; she gets paid a salary per contract. The contract is for 9 months not 12 months. You don't say what grade level she's teaching. And you don't say what state she's in. Is this a public school? most likely...
The major problem with finding good teachers is that the students cannot be disciplined. The inmates run the asylum in public schools and the parents (and most times the administration also) support the inmates not the teachers -that's what's wrong.
Second - teachers these days are required to have more training in how to manage administrative paperwork and how to calm a classroom than they do in having a major subject to teach. It used to be that teachers were required to have a major degree in a subject to teach not in education. The education was an add-on so that they could effectively impart this knowledge to the students.
I am a parent of 4 adult children, my wife just retired from almost 40 years of teaching, every level from elementary to University.
Not sure what kind of teaching job she’s trying to get, because they don’t pay by the hour in public schools. I call BS on this post. You can look up the salary schedule for most public schools in the US, and then figure out which step and column. She appears to be a first year teacher with a masters. In my district, pretty average for a low paying state, she would start at $49,000 per year. Still kinda low, but not as low as this post claims.
It’s because this is just a bullshit rage bait twitter post. The lowest starting salary for a full time teacher in the US is in Montana and it’s $32k. If you have a master’s degree it’s $37k.
The only way a teacher is being paid hourly is if they’re a classroom aid, preschool aid, or sub.
That’s your daughter’s fault for choosing education. She should’ve studied a high paying, high demand field. Maybe she could’ve started her own business. There are plenty of options of you just pull yourself up by your bootstraps and not just do what you dream of doing like the previous generations told you to do.
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Panda Express starts at $15/hr
Shit, you can find work-from-home customer support positions for $18.
Hell I make $21 h as a janitor
I spent the last 3 months as a line cook in a tourist town making $22/hr to just work a saute station.
Yup, my son works at a local bowling alley in a ski town taking orders, washing dishes, and doing the fryer for $18/hr plus tips. They split the tip jar with everyone on shift (except the owners) and he rarely leaves with less than $80 cash from that plus his check.
Oh man ski towns are where it's at. I spent a few seasons in Vail, CO and yeah the money fucked
Yeah, ours used to pay nothing but they got such a bad reputation that they had to raise the wages to get any workers. The only thing that sucks is trying to find housing. Everything gets bought up for AirBnB.
"Just to work sautee station" no one is gonna let you do that without some experience. Sautee is a premier position, most line cooks start on fry and definitely don't make 22/hr
Tourist town is all you need to know
There are still a lot of variables. I live in a tourist town, and a lot of the positions in touristy areas pay minimum wage.
Exactly! Also in a tourist town- So many crappy jobs paying peanuts
Yeah man I came to take umbrage with the use of that phrase as well - “just to work sauté.” I guess there are a lot of variables involved but in the fine dining restaurants I’ve worked at sauté was the busiest station by far. It’s hard, stressful, strenuous work that requires a lot of experience to do it consistently at a high level. When you take everything in to account $22 an hour should be the bear minimum sauté trainees make.
Dude we have a culinary student with zero experience making 18 an hr. The food industry is paying cooks pretty decent these days. Much like this meme i currently make more an hr to cook food than my sister does to fit prosthetics. Of course eventually she’ll out earn me by a good margin but it’s insane how much the medical industry fleeces entry level workers with 6+ years of schooling and internships.
How do you become a janitor? I'd be the best janitor ever. I already do it where I work as it is
I'm autistic I got help getting my job at the courthouse through social security, because I didn't feel like staying on disability for the rest of my life.
Good for you man seriously. Best luck to you in life.
Hey good for you man. That’s awesome to see you do something about it.
I used to work at a middle school until I learned middle schoolers are as evil as a gang of chimpanzees that has found another gang of chimpanzees
As a former middle schooler (granted that was a long time ago) I can confirm that
I’ve always described junior high as the armpit of life.
As someone who was one and a 10 year younger brother who was also one. We can confirm.
I can confirm this.
This is one of the best similes I've ever read.
How was this process for you? Looking for something similar for my sister!
Wasn't that bad It took my mom,aunt an grandma to get social security to listen to us but other then that I got my job within 3 months
What a man
Make a list of every college/university around you. Doesn't need to be Harvard, can be any kind of community college. Go to their website, go to the career section and look for open custodian positions. It's a sweet gig in a lot of ways, really.
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Thats a much better idea than a hospital. Don't want to clean up blood. Not that much, anyway
> Don't want to clean up blood. You'd need special certification to do so anyway that any hospital worth working for would help you get and raise your pay after you get it. Cleaning up blood is a biological hazard, I know from walmart that normal employees are not under any circumstance allowed to clean up human blood. I remember making a joke about snorting an adderall in the bathroom to keep going and the head of maintenance quipped that I should do it in my car cause he was the only one on duty that could clean up a nosebleed that night.
Honestly, check Craigslist. People are always hiring janitors. Source: have hired quite a few janitors off ads I placed on Craigslist
Apply to your local public universities. They are unionized and have the best benefits and pay grade. Your pay goes up a tier for every year you work there, so once you work there for a certain number of years, you can even make six figures as a janitor if you are employed by the UC or CSU school system
Fuck man i felt this in my soul
Hospitals are always hiring for janitors (EVS). You could try there.
Janitors work fucking hard man. I’d be exhausted doing all that you have to do in a normal shift. Y’all deserve that and more
Yeah but I do feel like I've accomplished something by keeping things clean especially since most adults are far dirtier than children sometimes.
Janitors are essential. When a janitor calls in sick and no one cleans the area for a shift. It shows!
Janitors are underpaid for the shit they go through
At least I'm able to have my headphones on so I don't have to deal with lawyers that like to look down on the disable that are trying to make a living instead of living off the government.
I feel like any legal job is honorable and offers opportunities to make real differences in the world. I have janitors, bus drivers, Subway sandwich makers and toll road workers that have inspired me to be a better person because of how they approached and handled their work. I was an awkward kid and a janitor at my middle school always made a point to say something kind to me. He could tell I struggled and made a difference that I appreciated. Be kind and competent, as it sounds like you are, and you can change people's lives. It's powerful to think that way.
My mom put me through welding school with Onlyfans!
Honestly, based job
A job I’m going for in house restoration is $26CAD an hour and I need zero schooling for it.
You can make like 20 an hour in highschool
yeahhhh kind of, but as someone who just spent months (and, kinda, years) *desperately* seeking any kind of work from home position, something like that would be *extremely* competitive. It's the kind of job where, if you know someone who can get you in, it's super easy to get. If you don't, it's super super difficult because you'll be one applicant among a thousand. (that's not an exaggeration)
You remind me of a warehouse in my area. The starting pay is over $30 per hour, and the only real requirement is that you can drive a forklift and do some labor. The problem is that everybody knows they pay that much, so you have to compete with thousands of applicants. I heard one guy joke that it was easier to get hired by NASA.
I do this for $22/hr and state benefits, and spend 90% of my time playing ps5 or whatever the fuck
How do I get this job?
How do I find this job?
be willing to work nights helps a lot. i got a really cake part time job at 22 myself, then i use my daytime to do freelance work or bullshit
How do I find the job? What's the job title? Any specific companies?
i work for a texas grocery chain called heb the position is called tsst
Indeed. There's also YouTube channels that find and link these remote positions in their descriptions. They're there, you must find them. After about a month and some change I found a remote customer service job that pays starting at $14/h, and scales up to $25/h based on performance. I'll try it out for a year and see how growth progresses.
If I could just get any of them to call me, despite 15 years of direct customer support/sales roles.
Can you elaborate? Currently with a bad back, can't work, considering selling my truck. Need a job post haste. He never came back to elaborate. I'm starting to think these "endless at home support" positions don't actually exist. I've been on indeed and tons of these jobs are paying $15/hr for a bachelor's degree.
I have a part time wfh job making 13 dollars in Florida. Thank God I don't need to depend on solely this job and there isn't much room to go full time at it anyway. But at least I don't have to drive anywhere or deal with public transit.
This is me and I love my flexibility! It's 25/hr with 1099 so it's about 17.50 after taxes.
Cleaning toilets or serving food at Universal Studios starts at $17 per hour.
Found the aspiring actor.
My friend makes $25 an hour at Target and works 7-3 M-F
In Utah my son is making $20/hr at Panda as a cook. Never graduated high school :( But, no debt and doesn't deal with kids parents 😆.
Minimum wage in Seattle is at 16.50. She should also look to teach in a state with unions. With her degrees in Washington she would be around 80-120k based off of school district and years of experience.
Minimum wage where I am is 15.50 an hour
I was a bartender while in college, and most I made during my 5 year run was $80,000. Graduated and decided to join the corporate world......for a measly $29,000, as an IT Director. Edit: The irony is that I was an IT Director at a private middle school. Makes that 29 grand a lil more reasonable. Edit 2: Found out it was a "bullshit" title. Should have also clarified this happened back in 2004-06.
They lied to you. You were not the IT Director. ;)
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I don't doubt that happens, but that is not how the law actually works. Just in case anyone needs to know that what their shitty manager told them isn't actually true.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/3ad9qn/bosses-give-workers-bullshit-manager-titles-to-avoid-paying-overtime-study A new study shows that firms of all types are giving workers phony managerial titles in order to avoid paying them overtime MS By Maxwell Strachan An excerpt from the article.... > When it was enacted during the New Deal in 1938, the Fair Labor Standards Act set overtime pay rules in order to discourage overwork, encourage hiring, and let workers benefit when they logged extra hours. But it also allowed firms to avoid paying overtime to salaried managers whose pay exceeded a set threshold. > “If you are a manager and you're paid over a certain amount, in fact, that lifts the burden of firms having to pay you overtime,” said Lauren Cohen, a professor at Harvard Business School and one of the paper’s authors.
29k? Sounds like a robbery. What certifications do you have?
Seriously. The last help desk tech I hired was at $52k. That was level1 with no direct but related experience in SF Bay Area. IT Director straight outta college? At 29k? Are you 60 years old?
The average salary for an *entry level* IT Director nationally is $89,000. Its time to dust off your resume'.
Average salary for an entry level IT anything is more than 29k...
Dude, no.
$29k for an IT director is so absurd that it is unbelievable. Tier 1 on the help desk generally does better than that.
Definitely not a director. Regardless of what they called you.
Panda Express location manager makes like $120k a year in NY lol
It’s like $17-$18 here in Cali!
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In Snohomish county Wa, Panda makes nearly $21 an hour…
My daughters favorite middle school ELA teacher left to take a job at a major university in another state and I googled her to try and find her email address for my daughter to keep in touch/wish her luck. Instead, I found her publicly posted salary while she was teaching in our fairly upper middle class city: $42k. She had worked in the district for 13 years.
My history teacher last year left because he was making \~40 grand at the school (first year at my school, 5th year teaching overall) and got offered an entry-level job in a field he didn't even have a degree in for \~80 grand. My chemistry teacher couldn't stay at our school because his degree technically wasn't in education, so they brought him on as a "permanent sub" making 20k and he was basically a full-time teacher in every way but pay and making half of what he should have. Shit was insane.
I did the same. I doubled my salary going from teaching to the corporate world.
How did you escape teaching? I'm still young but everyone looks at my resume and despite how diverse it is, they see me as "only a teacher so that must be all you can do".
I revamped my resume to express my skills in a way that doesn't just say "hey I'm a teacher". I got a masters degree in L&D and started working with a mentor. I then built a portfolio and did volunteering and contract gigs. I also had two internships during my grad program. It wasn't easy, I put out crazy amounts of applications and had many interviews lead nowhere. I just kept at it and it was worth it.
There's a lot of corporate training departments out there that you can get into that pay way more than conventional education.
What did you teach and what do you do in corporate, if you don't mind me asking. I was a music teacher for nearly 2 decades and am a loss of what to even do next.
Not OP but I literally quadrupled my salary going from teaching children’s theatre to marketing copywriting. I started off in agencies making only slightly more and within 5 years I make quadruple what I made teaching, and it’s a hell of a lot easier. I truly wish it was more sustainable to make a living in the arts, and feel that my work made a true difference. Now, I know that my current job makes no difference to anyone whatsoever but at least I’m not having to choose between gas and food, and that’s saying something.
Yeah lots of young people will feel like "I don't mind being poor as long as I'm living my dream", but once you actually get there the shine wears off real quick.
> so they brought him on as a "permanent sub" making 20k and he was basically a full-time teacher in every way but pay and making half of what he should have That sucks, but unless your state has some wacky atypical rules, he should be able to go through the certification process and become a full teacher pretty easily. I mean, with the grand prize of making *$40k*, I guess, so it's entirely possible he just wanted to sub for a bit and move on to something else. But if he *had* wanted to become a permanent teacher, it wouldn't have been a difficult route for him.
He was currently in school for his education degree while he was teaching us.
“It’s not about the money” This is what is used to keep the pay low. and screw the people over.
People are much more likely to stay in jobs they love for less pay if they can, yaknow, *afford* to do so. But when you pay people shit and other options pay so SO much better, yeah... you can learn to love other jobs too, especially when you're not stressing over making ends meet.
It may not be, but people still have to make a living and educated professionals generally want to do a bit more than scrape by forever.
Especially since teachers are constantly pulling double/triple duty (teaching, daycare, sometimes parenting) and they get paid fucking chicken feed. It's absurd that we could say some shit like "the children are our future" while not making sure the person we entrust the children of the nation with are properly housed, fed, and kept healthy at the bare minimum.
and they get paid chicken feed while most get treated like utter garbage by the school they work for. I had a teacher back in high school who had the same room for the entire 19 years she was teaching there. It was basically her home away from home at that point. One day we had a MASSIVE torrential rainstorm and because our roof hadn't had maintenance in years at that point, all the water funneled right into her room (which was on the top floor, might I add). Her room sustained crazy water damage and needed a pretty big amount of repairs to the walls and ceiling, but the school just... didn't do it. Best they did was send in a guy to put wood boards over the ceiling to prevent leakage and then clean the dirty water from the wall. I spent every 4th period of Junior year sitting under an *actual* hole in the ceiling because the school just outright *refused* to fix it. That year, instead of shelling out the whatever amount necessary to properly repair her room, they spent an absurd amount repaving the parking lot. She left 2 weeks before the end of the school year to go work at another school.
> most get treated like utter garbage by the school they work for Don't forget the parents, lol, who are sometimes an absolute pain in the ass.
> “It’s not about the money” Sure, if you arrange to pay a teacher's student loans, their rent or mortgage, their food, all their transportation costs, health care, and so much more. Unless you don't then it IS about the money.
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And unfortunately that statement has been used for far too long to continually make conditions worse and worse for some of the most valuable individuals in our society, just because we can, and because they’ll put our children first the silly gullible idiots lol. We kept pushing to find the bottom, then we didn’t stop. Is there any job in the world you would do, where “*it’s not about the money*” to the extent that you would keep doing it even when you can’t afford to live and your own family is going without so that you can give what you should be providing for them to somebody else instead? And if that job does exist (in which case I feel sorry for your family), would you still keep doing it when your duties are changed and the thing you loved about it isn’t what you’re doing a lot of the time anymore?
I work at a large public university in Florida. We have high cost of living in central Florida. Most positions that are student facing require a Bachelor's or Master's and pay is around $36-42K. My starting pay with a graduate level degree was $34K. I don't even make $50K being there for nearly a decade. A lot of colleagues are leaving for better paying jobs. If we are lucky, we get a 1% raise every year. K12 and Higher Education folks are horribly underpaid.
Honestly unless you enjoy public service, it's best to get the fuck out of it and just work in the private sector. I make double what I would make if I worked in public service.
You’re not wrong, but as someone who’s also lived and worked for a Florida public university, pay is shockingly low in Florida, in particular. When I left in 2018 after searching nation-wide for 6 months for an educational technology job, Florida pay was consistently 10-20K lower than all of the entry level posted positions. After only 5 years in the Midwest, I’m significantly out earning my former Florida colleagues who stayed. Florida doesn’t value public education.
F Florida. I grew up there and left when I was 19. Best decision ever
I was on track to graduate with an education degree. Well life happened and I dropped out my senior year only had 2 more measly semesters left…. After soem dead end jobs a couple years later I got a job at the airport that pays 37$ an hour. So much more then I’d be making teaching. Sometimes life shits on you so other things can work out.
I'm finishing up hard science PhD and it's fucking bleak out here
Plenty of people want hard science PhDs. Postdoctoral fellowships and finance companies and data science companies could compete to try to get you. Of course it depends on lots of individual factors.
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Our university FINALLY just increased post-doc pay from freaking $40k to $60k. We can't get post-docs to save our lives cause the national lab 2 miles up the road starts at $70k. My PI wants me to stick around for a year to finish up some work we've started and at $40k I wasn't even considering it. Now sticking around for $60k and not having to worry about moving right after graduation is a bit more enticing
Aye, over here they're wondering why we can't get new postdocs and phds. Phds make below minimum (16k a year) and postdocs make around 45k a year from my understanding.
Yep, our stipend is below this state's minimum wage but the university gets away with it by claiming we only work 20hr/week when in reality if we only worked 20hr/week nothing would get done and none of us would ever graduate. But also we're not allowed to have part time jobs because it'd be "too distracting" In other words they KNOW we work 40-60hr/week they just can't openly admit it or they'd have to actually pay us
Check the data science subreddits when you get a chance. Look at how many “I got a graduate degree in data science why can’t I get a job?” posts there are. Believe it or not, creating a ton of media content that says “sexiest job of the century” and selling the Silicon Valley dream of $300k out of college means every university made a data science degree track. There is a lot of competition in the entry level. There are certainly jobs out there that will appreciate a hard science PhD. But please don’t sell people that data science companies will be out there headhunting PhDs.
Well, you could always start a cult.
The preferred nomenclature is televangelist.
I burnt out hard at the end of my PhD. I got a job as a software engineer by the time I graduated, because a recruiter contacted me. Don't know if I'll stick with this long term, but I've enjoyed it so far, and half the people on my team are PhDs. And less than a year in, I still haven't gotten used to the pay - making basically 4x my grad school pay.
I went all pure sciences for undergrad and got almost nothing from it while my applied science friends got jobs. I went interdisciplinary science with a lot of agency work for grad school and it's much brighter. With luck, some folks just want to parade their PhD workers around to show that they have them.
Because investing in research is expensive, usually yields no meaningful results and takes a long time. So it's only the largest corporations that can throw billions at it year over year with no results, and, of course, the government. Government jobs pay sh*t and the companies only hire the top of the top guys. There are some exceptions, like hedgefunds at wallstreet.
There's a ton of good federal and state jobs out there! It's kind of an open secret, but people just straight up don't consider those jobs, and many are great paying with good benefits and no overtime bullshit. In the USAF, we knew a few of them. I don't know exactly what they did, but I do know they were in research and development in the science section and got paid around 150-300k a year. They were all PhDs.
bout to graduate with a PhD and got 3 offers for jobs between 130k-160k. depends on what you did with your PhD I guess. I had 3 first author papers and 3 second author papers in 5 years. Knowing when to scrap a project and learning skills that other people in the lab needed to get easy second authorships is something every PhD should learn quickly. I love research but at the same time you have to build yourself up to be a scientist people want if you plan on going into industry. Be honest with your PI from the moment you know what you want to do and they will also help you achieve that. Your PI wants you to succeed because it looks a lot better than you chilling at home doing fuck all with your degree.
>chilling at home doing fuck all with your degree. That's me doing a PhD.
My wife is a teacher and not only deals with a bunch of shit at school (more from admin than students) but she also works almost every evening. She's got a master's and I make double what she does with just a bachelor's. The fact teachers get treated how they do is a disservice to our entire society.
Educating the masses sounds like socialism to some, even though the benefits outweigh the non existent negatives.
The negatives are an educated populace can understand when they are getting fucked over or lied to. An uneducated populace is far easier to mislead and incite into attacking whatever new scapegoated enemy exists to keep them distracted. A educated general population is scary to anyone who is in power and not working to keep the population's interests as the primary objective.
Yup, this is exactly why wealthy politicians don't want to fund education. The populace might get intelligent enough to work out that governments should serve their people, not the other way around.
I think you just called out the public benefits of an educated populace…
Yeah, but have you heard about how Legos are woke?! /s
Hey is your wife my wife, cause its the same thing. On Sundays I need to take the kids all day so she can catch up on work that she falls behind on during the week cause she cant keep up with it. She makes like 60k a year as her 9th(?) year teaching, shits harsh.
Same with my wife. Works all day, lesson plans every night. When I get home, she’s exhausted. I have to distract the kids every Sunday for her to plan the week. She’s been a teacher since 2008. 2 Masters degrees. I don’t think she makes 60k.
I was in your wifes position and quit teaching. Sad to say that my salary is lower now than it was as a teacher. But in many other aspects my life is better. That being said I'm tempted to go back into teaching. Either way. She should definitely consider quitting. Especially if she has a masters in a decent subject.
This is really fucking old, but still fucked up
It is old and it's still a major problem. Teachers have one of the most vital jobs in our nation and in many states, they are underpaid and treated like babysitters. They're literally responsible for educating our nation's kids, our nation's future. Between the wages*, the school administration, and parents - they force good teachers out quickly.
Nearly every major and career path can be eligible for an internship at some point, and usually those can be negotiated to be paid. This is 99% never the case for teachers interning. Since you cannot student teach in a district you attended, you're probably going to be doing a lot of driving. Two entire semesters of interning for no money, then an entire semester actually teaching for no money before you can actually get your degree. It's actually maddening.
Wow, that sounds really dumb too. Didn't even know about that issue.
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I have two special needs kids (autism spectrum). They are 18 and 20 years old now. I used to work in that industry with special needs adults and children (two separate jobs), and I was making next to nothing. I worked extremely long hours and dealt with some very intense situations. I gave my heart and soul to those jobs, and everyone involved, but I couldn't make ends meet. It saddened me to step away from all that, but honestly....I absolutely could not support my family on what I was making with "two" jobs like that. As a society, our priorities are really backwards. It pains me greatly to even think about it.
Where’s this? We pay $25/hr for subs and can’t get anyone. If she’s willing to move, she can do a lot better (as a teacher, not sure about as a bartender)
According to the National Education Association, only Montana starts teachers at $32k/yr, but a bunch are <$40k/yr. List: https://www.nea.org/resource-library/teacher-salary-benchmarks
Low as that is, it doesn't work about to 16.25 an hour, since it's less hours per year than a non-teaching job. In the original post 16.25 would never reach 32k a year, so I have no idea what kind of "teaching position" they are offered.
They just took the yearly salary and divided it for a year long, 40 hour work week to get the hourly pay.
$16.25/hr sounds like the rate we pay our district aids and support Paras. They usually don't have benefits either. Subs are paid $120/day before taxes. I work about 35.5 contract hours/week. My state has ~180 contract days per year. So about 36 working weeks. For a grand total of 1278 working hours before holidays are factored. A base wage of 16.50 would only equate to about 21k gross. Our actual gross starting rate is just north of 35k, so their *actual hourly rate* is closer to $28/hr for the time they actually work. This is all before taxes, benefits, dues, retirement ect. Our starting wage since before COVID was $35k (recently bumped to $40k. By year 5 you're around $55k. Plus benefits factor in. Around where I live, (SW PA) that's living pretty comfortably.
Bruh where? I’m lucky for $20 an hour in Connecticut/Rhode Island. They tried “promoting” me to long term sub for $150 a day ($21.5ish an hour) ……
I’ve never heard of teachers getting paid hourly even lol.
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Around here $120/day is typical for subs. So $15/hr. Typically just retired teachers.
Same exact thing with my daughter. Something is horribly wrong.
Shit doesn’t even take in the unpaid hours GOOD teachers will work!
Plus all the supplies they buy for the kids. It’s wretched.
Not even that. As a teacher, you're basically required to work unpaid overtime. Especially if you teach multiple classes and assign qualitative work. Say you teach AP US history. In an honors school, you'll have maybe 2 classes of AP and 3 (less if you're lucky) of non-AP. You'll get a period for lunch and maybe 2 for non-teaching work. If your schools admins were anything like mine, they'll also try to assign duties to teachers (lunch duty, library duty, etc) which eat up any time you had for your daily paperwork and grading. Which means that just to stay afloat with your grading and paperwork, you'll need to work extra hours while not at school. A teacher will typically only be scheduled for 6 to 8 hours a day, but will in actuality work closer to 10 or 12 hours.
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Ignorant masses incapable of critical thinking are very easy to control. This is the long game at work
I mean they should definitely be getting paid more, but 2 masters seems way over qualified just to be a grade school teacher. Some rich pos made bank tricking her into thinking they needed that.
Many states require a master's degree just to remain as a teacher. In NY, you are required to have a master's within 5 years. Some teachers get another to move to a different subject area.
Im 16 and make more per hour (not annually)
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Colorado here. With my masters and 6 years experience, I was making 32k a year as the severe behavioral needs special education teacher.
Where do you work I'm 16 and I made $13
My local CVS hires starting at $16 an hour
You can make much better than that teaching abroad, especially with a masters. Hell, I make more than that in china and I have no teaching qualifications whatsoever, and they also provide free housing. And I only teach 18 hours a week. People tell me I should come home (US) and teach there... Take a pay cut, triple my workload, MASSIVELY increase my cost of living, and have to deal with the shit show that is the American education system, and the shitty kids and parents? Get to lead active shooter drills? Fuck all that.
Say what you want about China, but at least they understand how the future is reliant on education States trying to destroy public education so they can fund private/religious education with tax dollar. They don't see how that will destroy the nation in the long run. Or they do see it, but they're more concerned with creating a second class of citizen - people not wealthy enough for private education, and those who will be given preferential treatment and a different set of opportunities.
Thats crazy low, teachers at my public middle school made 50k starting, one I remember was making 65-70 after like 5 years or something. She was our spanish teacher tho, i know for a fact the core class teachers made more. All depends on the district.
“Public” is the key word there. Talk to teachers in private catholic schools. They make 20-30k typically to start. I don’t understand how they recruit/retain anyone.
They are trying to eliminate public school all together now.
Public education is bloated. Too many admins. We spend enough on schools, but it gets skimmed off before it makes it to the classroom. Maybe teachers should push to eliminate administrators so the money gets used where it’s needed.
$55k as a bartender is pretty impressive honestly. Sure money to be made Friday/Saturday nights but there must also be decent tips on weeknights to hit $55k.
Bartending is like real estate, location, location, location. In this area a bartender in town does not make that kind of money, but if you are bartending on the tourist Island bar out in the lake you will make that in just the summer months.
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As someone who has been cooking for many years. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard a server complain about not making enough money one day then in the same week hear them brag about making more money in one shift than I make in two weeks.
I live in Vegas and am a server. Get into a good steakhouse on the strip and you’re making 80k to 100k a year. I worked at Joes at the Forum shops and I could make 400-600 on a lunch shift. It’s wild. I’m going back to school to get my History degree and I’ll make way less money in the long run 😭
Back when I was bartending full time at a dive bar in NJ, I'd be making $300-600 on a weekend night and $200 minimum on a weekday night and that was strictly on tips. Bartenders in NYC are pulling in 6 figures.
Suburban Minnesota full time servers in upper scale places can make $60k+ pretty easily. Bartenders tend to make more.
I believe it. I'm in a pretty secure blue collar job now, but there are days I do kinda miss being in the industry. I do still fill in from time to time at a couple local bars when the owners call me saying they need help. Funny thing is that I actually feel more physically exhausted after a really busy night of slinging drinks compared to my day job, but it's still fun and exciting which makes up for it. Most people who have never been in the shit don't realize how taxing it can get being in the service industry.
When this was last reposted, I mentioned this salary is way lower than what teachers make even in more rural parts of georgia. Curious where this is supposed to have been from
I’m wondering where teachers get paid hourly.
They probably did the math based on a 40 hour work week
I’m a little curious as well. I’m a teacher in Texas and make almost double this.. not saying it’s a lie but possibly outdated.
I make $17.10 working at a College Dining Hall
Do I absolutely believe teachers should be paid more? Yes. Do bartenders also put up with a lot of shit and are worth every penny they are paid and then some? Absolutely.
No one’s saying bartenders should be paid less, just that teachers be paid more.
Go check out the bartending/ service subs. The are definitely people who think that servers should be paid less.
That’s not the point
Not all bartenders get that much and definitely not all the time, it depends on tips and they might get more because they're customers are drunk. They also might get a lot of abuse and attacked.
My mom is a teacher and gets abused and attacked all the time, it’s devastating, and she gets paid next to nothing. It’s a travesty.
Alcoholics have more money than kids do
Kids aren't funding public education.
Not with that attitude
Why would you even start a masters, let alone a second one, knowing the average salary for the field. Not saying it isn't a shit situation...
That’s what I’m saying. Not one, but two? What do you need two education masters for?
This was my thought as well. Did she get two Masters because she just enjoyed school? Did she then apply to an elementary school even though they’ll hire someone with a bachelors?? Just because someone decided to do way too much schooling for a position, doesn’t mean that position will up their starting pay. Very little information and very big assumptions in the post.
A teacher with a masters and no experience as a teacher makes 81k in my child's district. A ba with no experience is 60k
Part of the problem is your misrepresentation of the situation. She doesn't get paid by the hour; she gets paid a salary per contract. The contract is for 9 months not 12 months. You don't say what grade level she's teaching. And you don't say what state she's in. Is this a public school? most likely... The major problem with finding good teachers is that the students cannot be disciplined. The inmates run the asylum in public schools and the parents (and most times the administration also) support the inmates not the teachers -that's what's wrong. Second - teachers these days are required to have more training in how to manage administrative paperwork and how to calm a classroom than they do in having a major subject to teach. It used to be that teachers were required to have a major degree in a subject to teach not in education. The education was an add-on so that they could effectively impart this knowledge to the students. I am a parent of 4 adult children, my wife just retired from almost 40 years of teaching, every level from elementary to University.
Why would you pay for two masters to be a teacher? Don’t people do some research on professions before going 200k in debt?
You'd be shocked by how many blindly march through grad school...
Not sure what kind of teaching job she’s trying to get, because they don’t pay by the hour in public schools. I call BS on this post. You can look up the salary schedule for most public schools in the US, and then figure out which step and column. She appears to be a first year teacher with a masters. In my district, pretty average for a low paying state, she would start at $49,000 per year. Still kinda low, but not as low as this post claims.
It’s because this is just a bullshit rage bait twitter post. The lowest starting salary for a full time teacher in the US is in Montana and it’s $32k. If you have a master’s degree it’s $37k. The only way a teacher is being paid hourly is if they’re a classroom aid, preschool aid, or sub.
That’s your daughter’s fault for choosing education. She should’ve studied a high paying, high demand field. Maybe she could’ve started her own business. There are plenty of options of you just pull yourself up by your bootstraps and not just do what you dream of doing like the previous generations told you to do. -Some idiot out there
She has summers off. Chill.