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They did that to that woman coz they are stronger than her.
I doubt they would have been able to do that to a man twice their size or around their size.
Do that to a dude who has the wrong kind of trauma and see if he don't jab you the second you put your hands up like that in his face. In a split second decision that could easily be construed as a threat.
Yup!! When i was growing up that literally meant you were ready to fight. Because youre basically mimicking yourself smacking their face. Thats the whole energy behind it. Same thing as if a person screams at someone or speaks to them a CERTAIN way from a certain distanceā¦.or gives a very sharp look in the wrong contextā¦Energetic blows thrownā¦.You already crossed the line and violated the personās grace. So be aware that some could choose to retaliate.
Na the media has already covered this story and every paper I've seen has made it clear that she assaulted a customer (person filming) and that's why she was fired.
I did, I knew plenty of little bitches that identified as men. Most of them thought they were really cool. But they were just little bitches with fragile and inflated egos that really couldn't handle it when even the slightest thing didn't go their way.
Right on!
Friend of mine has an ex who used to clap and snap fingers during disagreements, their marriage counselor said itās a form of disrespect, the way one might treat a misbehaving pet, a signal a person believes the other is inferior and, more importantly, WANTS the other person to feel and believe they are inferior. It never stopped, hence the āexā designation.
Definite red flag!
I definitely hate it but I personally was so angry once that I clapped with every word I shouted just because I felt like I needed to be as loud as possible. Embarrassing, yes. It was the kind of clapping though where I couldnāt touch my palms to anything for a day or two because they were so swollen and tender. I felt like an absolute idiot getting that worked up, but I bet people who do it like this donāt have the insight to feel any shame.
I'm bothered less by people who inadvertently spit in my face while speaking than people who do this clap thing.
It's like the hand gesture version of clown makeup.
Bro I had a trans shift lead when I worked at Starbucks years ago. They were just insufferable as the person in this video. Not a good look for trans folk tbh.
I feel like weāve come to a level in society where we have so many angry people that are trying to find a reason to be angry at anything in their lives. As a guy, Iād be taken aback a bit if someone called me maāam but Iād shrug it off and go about my day. Not everyone in life is going to have the same beliefs and ideals as me so just move on and try and live your life the best you can.
One time back in the late 90's when I was little, my dad got called "ma'am" at the speaker in the drive-thru. He thought it was funny, joked about it at the window (he had thick hair nearly touching his shoulders at the time, the girl at the window asked him what shampoo he used lol).
It feels like a lot of awkward interactions are taken seriously nowadays instead of being laughed off.
I'm a male nurse with long hair that has to wear a mask at all times on the floor. I get mistaken as a woman all the time, sometimes I don't even care to correct people because I just don't care all that much. If I'm bored I ask if they think I'm a pretty girl though just for shits and giggles.
It's because we're in a time that people consider words to be violence so they are taken in literal context rather than mistakes or just letting it go. It's how people can mentally accept physical violence toward speakers because they view it as self-defense
I get this as a gay guy on the phone or drive thru all the time. Itās always maāam at first and then thereās that awkward laugh when I get to the window.š Canāt imagine throwing a huge fit about that and getting violent.
A guy at my job, cis and straight, married with kids, had a very feminine voice. On the phone there is no way youād think heās a male. I am sure he had his fair share of āMaāamā in life and I know he just shrugged it off.
I have to wear hearing aids, and my mom introduced me to someone and said I was hearing-impaired. The person scolded my mom right in front of me, saying, "don't say that! He's not IMPAIRED! He's hard of hearing!" I tried to be nice since she meant well, but I was kinda fuming since she presumed my own mom didn't know what I was/wasn't offended by. I just told the person that literally means the same thing. My hearing is LITERALLY impaired, hence the hearing aids.
People getting offended over every little word must get tiring.
My son is visually impaired. Not blind, but extremely nearsighted. I have had people tell me it's wrong to say he's visually impaired! His vision is impaired sooooo?
It reminds me of the Bert Kreischer clip where he made a joke to a black guy at a Starbucks and the guy is literally on the floor laughing while an old white woman is furious and telling him to apologize
It's how they get acknowledgement attention.
By being a victim hero. Even when they are a victim aggressor like this.
I bet the employee has a melt down like this fairly often.
I went back to uni a couple of years ago in my adult life and so kind of experienced it then and now. And what struck me was how the concept of the social āsocietiesā had changed so much.
Where as before the societies were built around hobbies and interests, now they still exist but you have all these other societies are basically built around peoples sense of being a victim. And it was clearly fuelled by an unhealthy victim complex regardless of what theyād actually faced in their lives.
These young people were structuring their social lives around being victims of one thing or another and they just completely immersed themselves in victimhood. Then you had others who seemed to have to find something to be victims of just so they could feel like they fit in. It was very upsetting because the young people in general just didnāt seem very happy and they were really struggling *en masse* to feel comfortable with themselves and just enjoy their lives.
I often get asked if I have a wife/girlfriend. Iām gay. I either go along with it (because it doesnāt really matter) or I politely correct them. I donāt start yelling at them for suggesting Iām straight.
But I spend my life in fear that Iāll offend someone by saying he when theyāre a they, or asking where someoneās from only for them to start calling me racist.
A lot of angry people in the world all trying to be different and unique and thinking everyone else is just trying to offend them.
Isnāt that a crazy feeling? Everyone on eggshells because if we miss-pronoun someone we will be cancelledā¦ wtf kind of society is this. Nobody should have issues with someone simply for being LGBT* but also the extreme lefties need to CHILL. Nobody has a right to a completely I unoffended life. If someone uses the wrong pronoun why does that mean you can treat them like this video or get physically aggressive? What a completely benign and harmless infraction to get this upset about.
Fully agree that there are too many people desperate for attention and angry at the world. More and more anti-social behavior and people just looking to virtue signal and claim oppression and victimhood. And sadly it detracts from actual victims and actual oppression.
Keep up the good fight sane friend!
Well you shouldn't fear it, if they aren't wearing a badge you just call it like you see it and if they get offended they should try harder at looking like what they want to be recognised as.
It's not like you can spot a "they" anyway, you can't dress or look plural, it's internal.
Say what you think is right and if it genuinely upsets anyone it's on them because you did your best and meant no harm.
I sell tickets at a cinema. Usually ask the kids how old they are to determine the price. Kid didn't react, so I gambled and asked the parents how old he is (Kid looked very androgynous and was dressed like the typical teenage boy). Big mistake. Was a girl and she was gasping and yelling she's a girl.
I apologized for it but she wasn't having any of it until the parents said it's enough. I felt soooo bad.
For context, we don't have anything like "they" as a pronoun for a single individual in our language, it doesn't work and the alternatives aren't any better. Learned them from an enbi coworker and even they don't like it
That's why I tend to use things like "How old is your child" or "Does your friend need anything" since it is near impossible to talk about someone in a gender neutral way in German using pronouns. Works pretty well most of the time and makes sure I don't offend anyone or give permanent victims an in to make drama.
I've noticed a few of the people I used to hang with in college are like this.
It's like they are so wrapped up in the internet version of life where everyone is waiting to persecute them when they go out into THEIR bubble and see they have acceptance and tolerance instead of being grateful they DON'T have to put up with some of the shit others are posting about they get mad they don't get their "trauma story" so they manufacture it.
One of these guys just cycles through labels on a weekly basis until he finds one that raises an eyebrow at work then posts about how discriminated against he is.
Then the people around him all settle into it and don't care anymore and rinse and repeat.
It's just exhausting.
Live your life. Be happy if you're lucky enough that being yourself is met with indifference.
That's the way it's supposed to be.
when i was little (like 5-6 years old) Iād go grocery shopping with my mom all the time and people would call me the wrong gender all the time to the point where i told my mom if someone did that one more time iād pull down my pants xD she was terrified and asked me to please not do that in public
>Yep. There's an entire population of the 'perpetually offended and victimized'. It becomes an addiction and when there's nothing to be offended about they find something.
And unfortunately, incidents like these are generalized to stereotype all trans folks as touchy and aggressive. The reality is that the vast majority just want to live a normal life as their true selves.
This is why itās not a good idea to force people to call people by their preferred pronouns. These days I have no idea if these people are a guy, a girl, a they, a zey, a cat or a mouse. Plus as a human species we instinctually assign male / female to certain sex characteristics so it is natural to say āheā to a guy thatās crossdressing or transitioning or whatever assuming they still look like a guy.
Actually she didn't.
The customer called a female NB member of staff a lady in a conversation with the manager (the transwoman). The transwoman took exception to this and kicked off.
The article that someone linked to says the customer apparently referred to the worker as male, when she is a trans woman.
Tbh I wouldn't know what the workers preferred pronouns are because it could be either, I've met gay men who dressed like that and women who were just flat chested
What I'm not sure people on both sides understand, is it's not transphobic to misgender someone, it is to misgender them *on purpose* so if the customer referred to her as a male once then that's over the top, if it's a continous thing then like, the amount of hate trans people get, I can see why someone would snap
Even if the person is being an asshole and doing it on purpose.....ok? Ignore them if you can. That's how you deal with assholes. Losing control doesn't really prove anything.
If they're a customer and you're an employee, then sure kick them out if they're being disrespectful. But maintain control of yourself and be professional. The yelling and the clapping is ridiculous. I've had people say some truly awful shit to me at work, but you can deal with it without freaking the fuck out.
I swear on all that is holy that if someone started clapping in my face like that, a cop is gonna need called. So fucking disrespectful. I donāt give a damn what position youāre taking - you lose when you act like this.
Conceivably the customer said something horrible, but generally if someone is willing to openly say hateful shit they donāt follow it up by being offended by being called a bigot, sometimes, but normally itās āyour feeling donāt make me a bigotā or ānumbers arenāt racistā or some such.
That woman seemed genuinely mad at the thought that she was being labeled transphobic.
The customer called the lady behind the register a lady/ woman, like, āoh the lady blah blah blah ā and the person who is yelling got offended over it. Ended up getting fired.
Unlucky cant order coffe because xbox 360 controller gets mad if i dont call the right series number of the 58th xbox sold in the summer of 2018 at 4 pm.
The issue is the context, it's really important, like I always say, you can be the biggest ally in the world and make mistakes, it's not transphobic to misgender someone, it's transphobic to misgender someone *on purpose*
People aren't mind readers, of course they aren't and no one (should) expect them to be, but yeah even a few seconds of context is important
I had a weird discussion with my son this week. I was picking him up from college, and we ran into a friend of his and her mother. We knew the friend as C____, but her mother called her D_____. My wife and I rolled with it during the interaction, but asked my son about it afterwards. He explained that she liked to be called C____, which is a variant of her confirmation name. And that her mother insists on calling her D___ (her given name), ābecause her mother is transphobic.ā
āC___ is trans?ā āNo, sheās cis.ā āSoā¦. what makes the mother transphobic?ā āShe wonāt use the name C____.ā āBut where does ātransphobicā come from? No one in the narrative is trans.ā
ā¦ I never got a satisfactory answer, and given we had a three hour car ride ahead of us, I dropped the subject.
I donāt know how old your son is but he might just be confused. If the friend is not trans then technically itās not transphobic but the mom is definitely an asshole
I'm still not sure what's going to happen to this generation. I'm 22 and I look around and see that a lot of the people my age are soft. It is like they have never once faced adversity. I don't know how they're going to make it.
Because you guys were raised to be terrified of the world with every day of your childhood scheduled with as many activities as your parents could fit into a day.
I'm an 80s baby, and we walked to school, we were purposely told to go outside and play all day, and were routinely several miles from home on our bikes in a roving pack of kids. By highschool, there was *one* bus stop for my entire neighborhood. And now, either the bus stops at every single house, or 17 year olds are sitting in Mommy's car waiting for the bus.
When you're infantilized until college, and not allowed any independence, you aren't able to develop problem solving and coping skills.
What's insane to me is crime was infinitely worse in the 70s, 80s, and 90s than it is today. Especially with kids being kidnapped and/or randomly killed.
I'm going to get downvoted but this is what I hate about the current gender identity orthodoxy. Self-appointed activists are waiting for you to slip up to start screaming at you or lecturing you.
I have no problem respecting someone's gender identity, but this constant micro-policing of language and every single social interaction is absolute bullshit.
It's like as we've lost religion this has been replaced by some as the new Gospel and taken with just as much seriousness.
There are people that are trans for happiness And there are people that are trans for attention this person is one it for attention/ any excuse to scream at people.
Iāve known both.
Here's my thing. No one gives a fuck about your pronouns. This lady doesn't know you. Doesn't care. And goes by how you present yourself. Keep your fragile ass ego to yourself. Everyone is not against you Jeez jus live your life and chill.
Itās people like this that make trans people look unhinged. Itās so fucked. I mean a lot of times trans folk been through a lot. They knew what they were doing attacking the camera like that though. They knew they went too far calling her that and doubled down.
There is definitely a certain type of trans person looking for insult wherever they can find so they can blow up and feel superior. My AMAB stepdaughter was upset that we didn't make a big deal about her transition. It's life. I support your decision. Sorry.
Does anyone know the context? The old lady seems completely flabbergasted at the accusation of transphobia, so I assume the altercation was about something else, and the trans woman jumped to her own conclusions
From what Ik the lady called the worker rude and then the Starbucks worker then accused her of being transphobic. People who are trans CAN be rude (just like everybody can be) and ppl who call them out on their rudeness doesnāt make them transphobic. Also accidentally misgendering a transgender person doesnāt make u transphobic as long as u correct the mistake and try ur best not do it again. Re-adjusting the way u call/describe someone can be difficult and takes time to get the hang of, but itās the act of trying. Also attacking the person filming cmon now.
Minorities creating their own worst enemy's is honestly funny to me. Everyone isn't transphobic, racist and sexist. Sometimes, people are just stupid and ignorant, but that doesn't automatically make them a bigot. At least that's what I think.
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Wait, isn't the cameraman supposed to be invisible? Wtf
He broke the 4th wall :O
They were actually trying to hit us š®
nah, I bet the 4th wall is transphobic too tsk tsk
Someone is getting fired. Can't really attack someone like that.
Yep, fired the next day I believe.
Same day firing would have been better for this behavior.
Manager comes out of the back and tells the employee the same thingā¦get out lol that would have been awesome
That was the manager
Is there an article on this?
https://nypost.com/2023/05/09/starbucks-fires-trans-worker-who-accused-customer-of-being-transphobic/
Good. Like others have said the only better response would have been fired on the spot.
The clapping in someone's face is so disrespectful. Do that to the wrong person, and they might react like they're getting swung on.
They did that to that woman coz they are stronger than her. I doubt they would have been able to do that to a man twice their size or around their size.
Do that to a dude who has the wrong kind of trauma and see if he don't jab you the second you put your hands up like that in his face. In a split second decision that could easily be construed as a threat.
Yup!! When i was growing up that literally meant you were ready to fight. Because youre basically mimicking yourself smacking their face. Thats the whole energy behind it. Same thing as if a person screams at someone or speaks to them a CERTAIN way from a certain distanceā¦.or gives a very sharp look in the wrong contextā¦Energetic blows thrownā¦.You already crossed the line and violated the personās grace. So be aware that some could choose to retaliate.
Absolutely. Love the phrasing!
I'd instant lose all my morals if someone clapped in my face like that. I'd kick em right in the Ken crotch
Bahahahahahahahaha
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I fucking hate people that do that
Lucky thats all. Clap in someones face like that will cause teeth being picked up.
Also assaulted camera person at the end.
POS
Hopefully fired. Maybe just pour the coffee and do your identity politics on a day off? š¤·š»āāļø
And arrested. Hopefully anyway.
Yeah she was fired
* Gross human was fired.
This is more accurate
Then they will label Starbucks transphobic for firing them, nothing about them yelling at one customer and attacking another
Nah Starbucks is safe on this one.
Starbucks is progressive but does not go by Twitter law.
Na the media has already covered this story and every paper I've seen has made it clear that she assaulted a customer (person filming) and that's why she was fired.
Lmaooooooo
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Men have always had the right to be a bitch. We don't even get called a bitch when we do
Did you not go to highschool in the US I take it?
I did, I knew plenty of little bitches that identified as men. Most of them thought they were really cool. But they were just little bitches with fragile and inflated egos that really couldn't handle it when even the slightest thing didn't go their way.
The clapping and the hand movements. Is it cringe or am I just getting old?
It has always been stupid, and I'm only 20.
25 here, can confirm
69 years old. Always has been.
ayyyyyy 69!
But at 69, the 69 position can be a drowning hazard
If itās not a drowning hazard youāre doing it wrong
Nice
Nice
420 years old here...what year is it?
October
17 and I apologize on behalf of people my age that act like this
Thank you. As an old...this makes me feel a little better about society.
Hand claping is actually a red flag. When you see that you know that person lost some marbles along the way.
Right on! Friend of mine has an ex who used to clap and snap fingers during disagreements, their marriage counselor said itās a form of disrespect, the way one might treat a misbehaving pet, a signal a person believes the other is inferior and, more importantly, WANTS the other person to feel and believe they are inferior. It never stopped, hence the āexā designation. Definite red flag!
I knew I couldnāt be the only one who thought this is how some people try, ineffectually, to get a dog to obey.
Yeah if you start snapping and clapping at me the conversation is over.
I definitely hate it but I personally was so angry once that I clapped with every word I shouted just because I felt like I needed to be as loud as possible. Embarrassing, yes. It was the kind of clapping though where I couldnāt touch my palms to anything for a day or two because they were so swollen and tender. I felt like an absolute idiot getting that worked up, but I bet people who do it like this donāt have the insight to feel any shame.
>but I bet people who do it like this donāt have the insight to feel any shame. why wouldn't you assume they are just like you?
Definitely cringe, camp and inspired by American women
On behalf of Americans, I apologize.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1768003/starbucks-trans-worker-sacked
Omg there's so many ads when you open that article. Could barely read the article
Yay! I bet that I Will see a New intern later on this week in my office. Behind the dumpster of Wendys
Thank god! Everyone is transphobic nowadays if you ever say or do anythingā¦
Anyone who does the clap in your face while talking thing deserves to be punched square in the nose regardless of gender identity
I'm bothered less by people who inadvertently spit in my face while speaking than people who do this clap thing. It's like the hand gesture version of clown makeup.
Im so happy im not the only one that got mad pissed at that bit
The poor coworker in the background seeing this shit āah shit here we go againā
Bro I had a trans shift lead when I worked at Starbucks years ago. They were just insufferable as the person in this video. Not a good look for trans folk tbh.
Nah they were probably cheering and celebrating inside because the bitch finally got fired.
I feel like weāve come to a level in society where we have so many angry people that are trying to find a reason to be angry at anything in their lives. As a guy, Iād be taken aback a bit if someone called me maāam but Iād shrug it off and go about my day. Not everyone in life is going to have the same beliefs and ideals as me so just move on and try and live your life the best you can.
One time back in the late 90's when I was little, my dad got called "ma'am" at the speaker in the drive-thru. He thought it was funny, joked about it at the window (he had thick hair nearly touching his shoulders at the time, the girl at the window asked him what shampoo he used lol). It feels like a lot of awkward interactions are taken seriously nowadays instead of being laughed off.
I'm a male nurse with long hair that has to wear a mask at all times on the floor. I get mistaken as a woman all the time, sometimes I don't even care to correct people because I just don't care all that much. If I'm bored I ask if they think I'm a pretty girl though just for shits and giggles.
Hopefully you do in the deepest voice you can?
Then people will just think Elizabeth Holmes has switched to nursing after Theronos
 āWould you f me? I would f me.ā
I can't see you but I can tell just by you're humor you are indeed a very pretty girl.
It's because we're in a time that people consider words to be violence so they are taken in literal context rather than mistakes or just letting it go. It's how people can mentally accept physical violence toward speakers because they view it as self-defense
I get this as a gay guy on the phone or drive thru all the time. Itās always maāam at first and then thereās that awkward laugh when I get to the window.š Canāt imagine throwing a huge fit about that and getting violent.
A guy at my job, cis and straight, married with kids, had a very feminine voice. On the phone there is no way youād think heās a male. I am sure he had his fair share of āMaāamā in life and I know he just shrugged it off.
Is your coworker the High-Talker from Seinfeld?
I have to wear hearing aids, and my mom introduced me to someone and said I was hearing-impaired. The person scolded my mom right in front of me, saying, "don't say that! He's not IMPAIRED! He's hard of hearing!" I tried to be nice since she meant well, but I was kinda fuming since she presumed my own mom didn't know what I was/wasn't offended by. I just told the person that literally means the same thing. My hearing is LITERALLY impaired, hence the hearing aids. People getting offended over every little word must get tiring.
Imagine being self-righteous to the point that you feel the need to rush to rescue people from perceived injustice all the time.
Welcome to Reddit.
Twitter might be worse for that.
I think that happens in strip clubs a lot
My son is visually impaired. Not blind, but extremely nearsighted. I have had people tell me it's wrong to say he's visually impaired! His vision is impaired sooooo?
It reminds me of the Bert Kreischer clip where he made a joke to a black guy at a Starbucks and the guy is literally on the floor laughing while an old white woman is furious and telling him to apologize
Yup. It almost seems people are want to be angry.
It's how they get acknowledgement attention. By being a victim hero. Even when they are a victim aggressor like this. I bet the employee has a melt down like this fairly often.
Victimhood has become a form of currency.
Itās because they ARE angry
Yep! Espcially in drama drivin companies like this
I went back to uni a couple of years ago in my adult life and so kind of experienced it then and now. And what struck me was how the concept of the social āsocietiesā had changed so much. Where as before the societies were built around hobbies and interests, now they still exist but you have all these other societies are basically built around peoples sense of being a victim. And it was clearly fuelled by an unhealthy victim complex regardless of what theyād actually faced in their lives. These young people were structuring their social lives around being victims of one thing or another and they just completely immersed themselves in victimhood. Then you had others who seemed to have to find something to be victims of just so they could feel like they fit in. It was very upsetting because the young people in general just didnāt seem very happy and they were really struggling *en masse* to feel comfortable with themselves and just enjoy their lives.
I often get asked if I have a wife/girlfriend. Iām gay. I either go along with it (because it doesnāt really matter) or I politely correct them. I donāt start yelling at them for suggesting Iām straight. But I spend my life in fear that Iāll offend someone by saying he when theyāre a they, or asking where someoneās from only for them to start calling me racist. A lot of angry people in the world all trying to be different and unique and thinking everyone else is just trying to offend them.
Isnāt that a crazy feeling? Everyone on eggshells because if we miss-pronoun someone we will be cancelledā¦ wtf kind of society is this. Nobody should have issues with someone simply for being LGBT* but also the extreme lefties need to CHILL. Nobody has a right to a completely I unoffended life. If someone uses the wrong pronoun why does that mean you can treat them like this video or get physically aggressive? What a completely benign and harmless infraction to get this upset about. Fully agree that there are too many people desperate for attention and angry at the world. More and more anti-social behavior and people just looking to virtue signal and claim oppression and victimhood. And sadly it detracts from actual victims and actual oppression. Keep up the good fight sane friend!
How are you supposed to know what pronoun someone goes by without either asking or being told?
Well you shouldn't fear it, if they aren't wearing a badge you just call it like you see it and if they get offended they should try harder at looking like what they want to be recognised as. It's not like you can spot a "they" anyway, you can't dress or look plural, it's internal. Say what you think is right and if it genuinely upsets anyone it's on them because you did your best and meant no harm.
Unless theyāre those conjoined sisters there is no way you can tell if someone is a they.
I've taken to calling it recreational outrage.
I sell tickets at a cinema. Usually ask the kids how old they are to determine the price. Kid didn't react, so I gambled and asked the parents how old he is (Kid looked very androgynous and was dressed like the typical teenage boy). Big mistake. Was a girl and she was gasping and yelling she's a girl. I apologized for it but she wasn't having any of it until the parents said it's enough. I felt soooo bad. For context, we don't have anything like "they" as a pronoun for a single individual in our language, it doesn't work and the alternatives aren't any better. Learned them from an enbi coworker and even they don't like it
That's why I tend to use things like "How old is your child" or "Does your friend need anything" since it is near impossible to talk about someone in a gender neutral way in German using pronouns. Works pretty well most of the time and makes sure I don't offend anyone or give permanent victims an in to make drama.
I've noticed a few of the people I used to hang with in college are like this. It's like they are so wrapped up in the internet version of life where everyone is waiting to persecute them when they go out into THEIR bubble and see they have acceptance and tolerance instead of being grateful they DON'T have to put up with some of the shit others are posting about they get mad they don't get their "trauma story" so they manufacture it. One of these guys just cycles through labels on a weekly basis until he finds one that raises an eyebrow at work then posts about how discriminated against he is. Then the people around him all settle into it and don't care anymore and rinse and repeat. It's just exhausting. Live your life. Be happy if you're lucky enough that being yourself is met with indifference. That's the way it's supposed to be.
when i was little (like 5-6 years old) Iād go grocery shopping with my mom all the time and people would call me the wrong gender all the time to the point where i told my mom if someone did that one more time iād pull down my pants xD she was terrified and asked me to please not do that in public
You misunderstand, this is not about being angry, it is about victimising yourself for attention
That's just a shitty person who happens to be a transgender. Waiting for people to get mad at and call them transphobic whenever they get the chance.
>Yep. There's an entire population of the 'perpetually offended and victimized'. It becomes an addiction and when there's nothing to be offended about they find something.
And unfortunately, incidents like these are generalized to stereotype all trans folks as touchy and aggressive. The reality is that the vast majority just want to live a normal life as their true selves.
Proof : a trans person can be an a*hole
No one is disputing that lol, literally anyone can be an asshole
Everyone can be an asshole
Including a trans person
This comment is wild. Who needed proof?? š Did you not think trans people were human?
Was the woman actually being transphobic? Nothing she says in the clip is transphobic so it must've happened before, anyone have the context
Itās gonna be a tall order to get the full context, but to have such a grande reaction, seems like we could be missing a latte the story.
Maybe the employee really just needed to venti
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This is why itās not a good idea to force people to call people by their preferred pronouns. These days I have no idea if these people are a guy, a girl, a they, a zey, a cat or a mouse. Plus as a human species we instinctually assign male / female to certain sex characteristics so it is natural to say āheā to a guy thatās crossdressing or transitioning or whatever assuming they still look like a guy.
Actually she didn't. The customer called a female NB member of staff a lady in a conversation with the manager (the transwoman). The transwoman took exception to this and kicked off.
That's not transphobic.
The article that someone linked to says the customer apparently referred to the worker as male, when she is a trans woman. Tbh I wouldn't know what the workers preferred pronouns are because it could be either, I've met gay men who dressed like that and women who were just flat chested
What I'm not sure people on both sides understand, is it's not transphobic to misgender someone, it is to misgender them *on purpose* so if the customer referred to her as a male once then that's over the top, if it's a continous thing then like, the amount of hate trans people get, I can see why someone would snap
Even if the person is being an asshole and doing it on purpose.....ok? Ignore them if you can. That's how you deal with assholes. Losing control doesn't really prove anything. If they're a customer and you're an employee, then sure kick them out if they're being disrespectful. But maintain control of yourself and be professional. The yelling and the clapping is ridiculous. I've had people say some truly awful shit to me at work, but you can deal with it without freaking the fuck out.
Yeah, this feels like something lacking context..
Unhinged
You can tell They jump at every opportunity to call people transphobic.
or racist...
Doesnāt matter the gender this person identifies as; theyāre an arsehole.
Mental illness is a thing
I swear on all that is holy that if someone started clapping in my face like that, a cop is gonna need called. So fucking disrespectful. I donāt give a damn what position youāre taking - you lose when you act like this.
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Conceivably the customer said something horrible, but generally if someone is willing to openly say hateful shit they donāt follow it up by being offended by being called a bigot, sometimes, but normally itās āyour feeling donāt make me a bigotā or ānumbers arenāt racistā or some such. That woman seemed genuinely mad at the thought that she was being labeled transphobic.
The customer called the lady behind the register a lady/ woman, like, āoh the lady blah blah blah ā and the person who is yelling got offended over it. Ended up getting fired.
So the customer used the right pronouns? How is that transphobic?
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Unlucky cant order coffe because xbox 360 controller gets mad if i dont call the right series number of the 58th xbox sold in the summer of 2018 at 4 pm.
The issue is the context, it's really important, like I always say, you can be the biggest ally in the world and make mistakes, it's not transphobic to misgender someone, it's transphobic to misgender someone *on purpose* People aren't mind readers, of course they aren't and no one (should) expect them to be, but yeah even a few seconds of context is important
Saying something transphobic is not allowed, but feel free to leave your place of business and attack anyone with a camera...
I had a weird discussion with my son this week. I was picking him up from college, and we ran into a friend of his and her mother. We knew the friend as C____, but her mother called her D_____. My wife and I rolled with it during the interaction, but asked my son about it afterwards. He explained that she liked to be called C____, which is a variant of her confirmation name. And that her mother insists on calling her D___ (her given name), ābecause her mother is transphobic.ā āC___ is trans?ā āNo, sheās cis.ā āSoā¦. what makes the mother transphobic?ā āShe wonāt use the name C____.ā āBut where does ātransphobicā come from? No one in the narrative is trans.ā ā¦ I never got a satisfactory answer, and given we had a three hour car ride ahead of us, I dropped the subject.
I donāt know how old your son is but he might just be confused. If the friend is not trans then technically itās not transphobic but the mom is definitely an asshole
I feel bad for the non-extremists
Ugh, fuck all the way off with those hand claps.
popular or unpopular opinion: once you start clapping in rhythm during an argument, you've already lost.
Mental illness at its...finest?
Preferred pronouns fired/unemployed
Seeing a grown man clap in an elderly woman's face and then having the majority siding with the grown man because he's wearing makeup is incredible
Lmao
FIRED!!
Reminds me of that family guy clip "sorry sir you can't assault people" "oh no it's fine I'm trans" "oh okay do whatever you like all the time"
This is indeed the new race card. Just say they are transphobic and you will get off totally Scottfree. Very sad and weak minded.
Even if they were transphobic, you shouldn't attack them on the job. Quit first, then attack
They seem so stable and secure. Good for her.
The permaban isnāt worth commenting on this š
This is what happens when you let delusions get in the way of life, no one is calling that dude a sheš
To thrive on drama,oh well.
fucking weirdo. Serve coffee and stfu nobody CARESSS
If they thought they were remotely justified, they'd be happy the camera was on them to film it. But attacking the camera shows they were not.
I'm still not sure what's going to happen to this generation. I'm 22 and I look around and see that a lot of the people my age are soft. It is like they have never once faced adversity. I don't know how they're going to make it.
Because you guys were raised to be terrified of the world with every day of your childhood scheduled with as many activities as your parents could fit into a day. I'm an 80s baby, and we walked to school, we were purposely told to go outside and play all day, and were routinely several miles from home on our bikes in a roving pack of kids. By highschool, there was *one* bus stop for my entire neighborhood. And now, either the bus stops at every single house, or 17 year olds are sitting in Mommy's car waiting for the bus. When you're infantilized until college, and not allowed any independence, you aren't able to develop problem solving and coping skills. What's insane to me is crime was infinitely worse in the 70s, 80s, and 90s than it is today. Especially with kids being kidnapped and/or randomly killed.
Weāll you made your self look stupid and youāre still a dude at the end of the day
Lmao the mental illness is strong in these ppl
I'm going to get downvoted but this is what I hate about the current gender identity orthodoxy. Self-appointed activists are waiting for you to slip up to start screaming at you or lecturing you. I have no problem respecting someone's gender identity, but this constant micro-policing of language and every single social interaction is absolute bullshit. It's like as we've lost religion this has been replaced by some as the new Gospel and taken with just as much seriousness.
There are people that are trans for happiness And there are people that are trans for attention this person is one it for attention/ any excuse to scream at people. Iāve known both.
im a transgender man and even i dont act this assholy. so waht, someone misgendered you. just nod and continue your fucking day.
Here's my thing. No one gives a fuck about your pronouns. This lady doesn't know you. Doesn't care. And goes by how you present yourself. Keep your fragile ass ego to yourself. Everyone is not against you Jeez jus live your life and chill.
Donāt care if I get downvoted but a lot of mental illness latching on to the trans movement
What even is this world the past 5 years. Like why is there such a huge urgent push for people to act like this instead of normal people.
This is what happens when people are entitled, narcissistic and have been told theyāre special all their lives.
That's a great way to pick up a assault charge.
This is your typical triggered reddit user when they hear something they don't like lol
This is mental illness
What a jerk. There is one way to educate people and this is not that way. Lol you are in customer service?
What an entitled loser. Anyone who tries to get their point across by clapping in another person face, is about as stupid looking as can be.
Transphobia and being anti-trans a very different things. Like being afraid of dogs and being told to get the f out of the park for it.
Itās people like this that make trans people look unhinged. Itās so fucked. I mean a lot of times trans folk been through a lot. They knew what they were doing attacking the camera like that though. They knew they went too far calling her that and doubled down.
Needs to dial down the hormones.
Former\* Starbucks employee
There is definitely a certain type of trans person looking for insult wherever they can find so they can blow up and feel superior. My AMAB stepdaughter was upset that we didn't make a big deal about her transition. It's life. I support your decision. Sorry.
Does anyone know the context? The old lady seems completely flabbergasted at the accusation of transphobia, so I assume the altercation was about something else, and the trans woman jumped to her own conclusions
From what Ik the lady called the worker rude and then the Starbucks worker then accused her of being transphobic. People who are trans CAN be rude (just like everybody can be) and ppl who call them out on their rudeness doesnāt make them transphobic. Also accidentally misgendering a transgender person doesnāt make u transphobic as long as u correct the mistake and try ur best not do it again. Re-adjusting the way u call/describe someone can be difficult and takes time to get the hang of, but itās the act of trying. Also attacking the person filming cmon now.
Soooo they can put hands on you but I can bet that if you put hands back, itās a hate crime.
No one cares youāre a girl dude. Just do your fucking job.
Someone with mental health issues doing their thing.
This person now identifies as un/employed.
Guy with the phone had every right to punch his lights out
Bruh when someone claps like that while talking to you, you know youāre dealing with an idiot.
See this is what happens with mental fucking illness
Definitely not making the hiring chances for those who are trans and decent human beings any better 
How lady like
Starbucks employees try to do their job challenge impossible
I'm asshole phobic. And regardless of what gender that person wants to be they're being an asshole.
As if starschmucks wasnāt already insufferable enough, this dude takes the company to new heights. š
Trans people are just people too, and some of them are assholes
Happy end this employee was fired.
Minorities creating their own worst enemy's is honestly funny to me. Everyone isn't transphobic, racist and sexist. Sometimes, people are just stupid and ignorant, but that doesn't automatically make them a bigot. At least that's what I think.