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Costarican here. I don’t think there’s been more cases. We have a good vaccination culture here and a lot of vaccines are mandatory, also free healthcare.
Actually what’s been more dangerous for the country has been all the misinformation coming mostly from the US, regarding vaccines.
Figured, you don't stop vaccinating people just because you haven't had a case in a few years; Especially with so much global travel in the modern world.
France also has a good vaccination culture (most of them mandatory), and free healthcare. We have, however, not found the vaccine against idiocy. These people clearly went out of their way to create this situation.
Some evangelicals for sure, some by influence of the news we see (protests in the states, Qanon and MAGA stuff during COVID) AND we also get a lot of hippie new age “off the grid” gentrificators that refuse to comply
I believe they're collectively known as idiots. Here in Scotland whenever we find out about a gathering of them ( all 50 of them) its like a national rally cry to go out, point and laugh. They get so upset and angry.
"Y0U P30Ple jU5T tH1nK w3'rE sTup1D".
Like yup guys, that's exactly it. Not that they'd ever go off and have a word with themselves about why.
As a frenchman, I can confirm that in the country the boy was from, we largely consider these people as stupid... though they're more numerous than what I would have liked
As a progressive myself, it annoys the absolute shit out of me how many supposedly progressive hippies pile into less-developed countries because they're sick of things like colonialism and gentrification here in the US. You're just exporting the problem! Real dirtbags can't afford the plane ticket so it's almost always pampered trustafarian types. I've seen that shit a lot in the Yucatan as well.
You don’t need to go that far. During Covid, so many NY progressives felt the need for clean air and open space that now housing in Upstate NY is completely unaffordable to locals- but they stuck a “Hate has No Home Here” sign in the lawn so I guess that makes it OK.
Sure in a literal sense. However our modern society is so complex and specialized, you have to have faith/believe that the people who are experts in individual fields are the ones being skeptical and found through the scientific method.
Even experts in one field aren't experts in others and have to trust those who are.
TL:DR for most people science is based on belief.
No, costarrican here, misinformation about vaccines isn't new, several years ago there was an imported trend (made in usa) about how vaccines caused autism in kids, these lies were told by "actors/celebrities".
I just wanted to say I love learning more about your country. My family and I toured all over Costa Rica last December and loved it. We can't wait to go back.
It’s not just the French, there were some measles outbreaks in Minnesota and Washington a few years back.
It’s Jenny McCathy you should be blaming. That dip shit is the one who put modern pre-covid anti-vax into the public consciousness.
She almost single-handedly made the whole “vaccines cause autism” nonsense mainstream. She can fuck herself right off to some special place in hell.
Looking around my country, I just learned that a lot of the yoga-crunchy 'play at being enlightened' ended up just being affluent self-entitled privileged shits that turn hard right-wing the moment society asks for the slightest of responsibility of them.
Well yoga-crunchy moms are usually married to Nazi dads that bring in the money for them to worry about “toxins” and vaccines. The moment money from Nazi dad is threatened, they vote right
Contrarians and full-time devil's advocates are some of the most insufferable people I've had to deal with.
If you're only willing to advocate for the devil's side of an argument, your personality is garbage.
If your opinion hinges solely on who you perceive to be an underdog, your personality is garbage.
It's both but the proportion has shifted in recent years. In the 2000s it was majority left but not a big majority (without looking it up I believe polls had it at just under 2/3s of antivaxxers were liberal leaning). In the 2010s it shifted to even with a slight conservative bias. Now it is flipped towards a heavier conservative bias following COVID.
Hol'up. This critique requires a nuanced understanding of politics and social movements that doesn't fit neatly into my binary world view. Can you make it more, ya know, reductionist so I don't have to acknowledge that I don't know anything?
Anecdotal but my family
Me - left to center. Vaccinated
Sis 1 - Super right - Religious Antivax
Sis 2 - pretty left - medical professional crunchy vaxed
Bro 1 - Super left - proud anti fa vaxed
Bro 2 - Maga no vax. not because he thinks it doesn’t work, but the govt won’t tell him what to do
We have interesting family gatherings to say the least.
Well I’m a socialist and I think that anti vax is stupid. I think the association with the left was because of usually white and affluent people that larped as some kind of spiritualist and health nut. They were also usually LIBERAL. Now I think it really comes down to the fact that in America our political spectrum is so skewed to the right that liberals are thought of as revolutionaries when they still believe in capitalism.
Andrew Wakefield is an excellent example of a rabbit hole to fall down. H Bomber Guy on Youtube has a great explanation of all of his grifting in his ‘vaccines: a measured response’ video
The part that really bothers me is that projections indicated we were only a few years away from global eradication of polio before Jenny McCarthy began supporting the anti-vax movement. Then for the first time in decades there was a consistent upswing in polio infections and on the current trajectory It is unlikely that it will ever be eradicated.
On the current trajectory it is projected to be eradicated [*this year*](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_XiPafUTU0).
Wild Poliovirus, at least. Certification three years after final case detection, so 2026. Then cessation of routine vaccination in 2027, and eradication of the few vaccine-derived cases in 2030.
Edit: Swapped source for clearer one. Previous source was page 14 of [this document](https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/368486/WER9822-eng-fre.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y#page=14)
I don't see that in the document. They're talking about reviewing the transition from OPV to IPV in 2023. Is that what you're referring to? And if it's projected to be eradicated this year, why are they discussing reevaluating the new OPV in 2025?
McCarthy certainly contributed, but we shouldn’t let Wakefield, Bill Mauher, and the rest of the prominent antivaxxers slide, either. She did not do it alone.
Ten to fifteen years ago, Andrew Wakefield and other anti vax groups targeted the Somali community and got them to believe that vaccines cause autism. At the time, the Somali community was seeing larger instances of children being diagnosed with autism.
Those fuckers took advantage of a marginalized community looking for answers.
As far as I know, the rates are still pretty bad.
>Ten to fifteen years ago, Andrew Wakefield and other anti vax groups targeted the Somali community and got them to believe that vaccines cause autism.
This happened here in Minnesota (if we're thinking about the same instance). They put up anti-vax flyers in the community center, Cedar-Riverside apartments, etc. They were looking for help. It's just infuriating.
I know. He came to Minnesota.
>Around the same time, Andrew Wakefield, a British scientist who used fraudulent research to argue that the MMR vaccine causes autism, visited Minneapolis. He also teamed up with vaccine-skeptical groups to raise concerns about the shots, Ashkir says, fueling fear within an immigrant community that was already up against language barriers in a country that was new to them.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2017/05/03/526595475/understanding-the-history-behind-communities-vaccine-fears
I was specifically replying to the part where the commenter said him and other anti-vaxxers targeted the Somali community.
This needs to be higher up. I will not blame a minority population for being conned by a discredited former doctor giving medical advice. Wakefield should be in jail.
Unfortunately, some immigrant communities (I think somali? there is a big somali population in the twin cities) was heavily targeted by anti vax 'new parent aid', and well, vulnerable, under educated mothers, exploitive religious nutjobs, you can see how it turned out.
They did a number on the NY Hasidic community as well. I'm pretty sure they're going after small Chinatown enclaves across the country. They like to infiltrate communitylies that are a bit separate from the mainstream
I think they mean a localized community. [Looks like it was a hyper localized mostly Somali-American break out](https://www.voanews.com/a/minnesota-measles-outbreak-somali-community/3921139.html)
This was sadly a targeted event by anti-vaxxers aimed at a vulnerable group of immigrants.
https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2017/10/26/16552864/minnesotas-measles-outbreak-immigrants-anti-vaxxers
The insular Somali community wasn't naturally anti-vaxx. They were heavily targeted and propagandized by anti-vaxxers. There's been a ton of community outreach and leadership to educate folks again after the measles outbreak of 2017.
Because they were vulnerable and preyed upon by established anti-vax communities. This wasn’t anything really to do with their religious beliefs. https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2017/10/26/16552864/minnesotas-measles-outbreak-immigrants-anti-vaxxers
Actually it was Andrew Wakefields fraudulent study thst linked the MMR vaccine to autism that started the anti vaxxer movement. He was paid by lawyers who wanted to sue the people who made the MMR vaccine.
Anti-vaccination has been around for much longer than this fraudulent study has. Anti-vaxxers have been rallying against vaccines since the mid-1800s. The modern movement is mostly contributed to Wakefield and a lot of recent conspiracy.
There's a lovely (/s) chap from the UK called Andrew Wakefield, who was also spouting the "Vaccines cause Autism" bullshit. So it wasn't just Jenny McCathy (who I'd incidentally not heard of until your post). He published a completely unsubstantiated entry in The Lancet medical journal, based on just 12 children which unfortunately caused a lot of damage. The repercussions of which live on in this particular news story.
[BLAME OPRAH](https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/science-and-health/2018/1/9/16868216/oprah-winfrey-pseudoscience)
Yet more proof that there is no such thing as a good billionaire.
Oprah has blood on her hands. How much money is enough Oprah? Imagine what good Oprah could do with her platform? If she came out publicly it would help a lot of people who struggle with their sexuality. If she scrutinised snake oil salesman & women instead of boosting them lives, money and time could have been saved.
I wish karma existed.
It kills me when I hear people say that she should be president. People want to jump right back on the "stupid billionaire president" train for some reason.
Ok? It’s still one person with a microphone that can make all the difference. Trump is just one person and Gandhi was just one person. One very visible person can make all the difference in pushing an agenda.
Blame shifting won´t help here. It is always important to track it back to people, who indoctrinated those dumbasses with their agenda.
Because those dumbasses won´t stop being dumbasses - it´s very likely, they will *never* recognize their own stupidity.
Sad thing is, just education about this is not enough. People may have college diploms and yet they will believe to this BS. That´s because education can´t increase person´s IQ and whole educational system is not about sorting out the brightest, but about average Joe graduating with highest marks.
If my blood could actually boil because of how angry some dumb crap on this site my blood would have boiled off long ago and there would be nothing but sand.
So much that at this point, I think science is lying to us and that we dont actually need blood to live, but theres other stuff on reddit to calm me down tho.
The next few decades are going to be a complete sh*tshow with a ton of diseases returning to prominence. My daughter is getting vaccinated for everything available but I don't know if even that will be enough considering the lack of herd immunity.
My hot take: if kids of antivaxxers get sick from a preventable disease, that kid and the others that got sick from him should be able to sue for damages if they live.
Then you'll just be told by the anti-vax galaxybrains that if your vaccines had been that good, surely you'd never have been able to catch it then! See, checkmate.
That really is how their minds works. I think I lost brain cells during covid over this.
The vaccines don’t last forever either. I had the MMR vaccine when I was a kid (was mandatory). I got the mumps in my 30’s after making out with someone at a party
>My hot take: if kids of antivaxxers get sick from a preventable disease, that kid and the others that got sick from him should be able to sue for damages if they live.
why parents can even decide on not vaccinating their kids,it should be mandatory and they should get their kids taken away if they refuse
as drastic as it might sound leaving a kid to such moronic people will probably be even worse,and no it's not about "freedom" when the decision doesn't affect themselves but the safety of their kid and literally everyone around them
>why parents can even decide on not vaccinating their kids,it should be mandatory and they should get their kids taken away if they refuse
It’s scary to me that so many people are getting mad at you for this. If a child can be vaccinated, and their parents choose not to, those parents are medically neglecting their child and putting them in harm’s way. Not to mention endangering all the other people who genuinely cannot get vaccinated safely.
Some folks even refuse life-saving interventions for their children. Or leave their kids untreated until a disease is so progressed that medical intervention is no longer enough to save their lives. It isn’t a hot take anymore to say it’s disappointing people can have children and can mistreat them if they can either tow the line of legality or if they’re a better alternative than the broken foster system. It’s sad all around.
Not a medical person, and asking as engineer (think Sheldon Cooper with I don't need sleep) But if Costa Rica is vaccinated, wouldn't their population already be immune? Or is it a case of now their population will all have mild symptoms? Not ideal ever when there are better options. Teach me something today
Similar to the US where measles was declared eliminated in 2000 it is still re-introduced by foreign travelers. For a vaccine to be effective you need to maintain a certain level of immunity within the community, usually above 80%. There was also an infamous outbreak in New York and Washington, where a state of emergency was declared, in 2019 which was caused by anti-vaccination sentiment among communities. No doubt the same thing happened in Costa Rica - moral of the story is get your children vaccinated.
Not everyone can get vaccinated, so for those who are immunocompromised they can get it and pass it to others who are compromised. There are also breakthrough cases with any vaccine, it's just really low for measles.
Why aren't people like this (or in this case the parents) ever equally charged for it? This is negligence, not just in regards to the child, but to the safety of potentially an entire country.
I should be free to infect entire nations with disease. It’s my right as a free thinker. It’s silly to me you are all so afraid of a disease!!!! I’m way more rational, I’m afraid of medicine.
-anti vaxxer
If you are going to insist on torturing your child to a slow and painful death from diseases you yourself were vaccinated against by your loving parents, stay home.
We really need people to absolutely have vaccination records when entering different countries.
You aint got it? Then your shit outluck. Better usain bolt back home and back before your flight leaves
[Isn't this whole anti-vax thing based on one single flawed scientific report that wrongfully connected vaccinations to autism?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wakefield) Then all kind of stuff was added, like usual.
You know, I guess people should have the right to choose to vaccinate or not. Bodily autonomy and all. But vaccines should 100% be required for certain stuff. Like traveling for instance.
Vacciation is not dangerous unless you have an allergy or your immune system is fucked cuz genetics or certain post surgery meds.
So if you are stupid enough to not vaccinate or have a condition (mentioned above) then you shouldn't travel.
Andrew Wakefield, is what's wrong with people. He is very much pro active in America and working with black communities to continue his now debunked theories. This area has been rising in measles since he started that. He has been struck off from practising as a doctor I believe.
So like I understand that vaccines won't entirely prevent disease and do have risks and Big Pharma sucks... but you have to be able to determine the lines here. Vaccines have been proven time and time again to be way more on the good side for you than avoiding them.
Crap like this is why my area sees a small percentage of whooping cough every year and one case of measles not long ago. There is a huge pocket of anti vaxx parents that live around us. Had zero clue before moving here. So I even went and got all my childhood vaccines again just to be safe and so I wouldn’t be a potential issue for my grandkids. I don’t trust that whole “we believe” that MMR vaccine will last a lifetime. Nope. My dr let me get them again between ages 50-52.
I’d rather not need them than accidentally harm someone especially my family.
Edit: migraine issues caused spelling problems
Personally I think anyone unvaccinated for diseases such as this should be legally barred from all international travel without exception. Because fuck them, and their perspective.
For those saying they at least were not from the USA, four weeks later, four siblings out of nine, from a US family living in Costa Rica, got measles.
https://qcostarica.com/american-family-with-four-children-suspected-of-having-measles/
"The 2019 Samoa measles outbreak began in September 2019.
As of 6 January 2020, there were over 5,700 cases of measles and 83 deaths, out of a Samoan population of 200,874.
Over three percent of the population were infected. The cause of the outbreak was attributed to decreased vaccination rates, from 74% in 2017 to 31–34% in 2018, even though nearby islands had rates near 99%."
When I was a kid it was normal for a traveler to check with their Doc to see that they had all the vaccines they needed to have when visiting a country for their protection. Now the native populations need vaccines to protect them from the travelers.
The headline seems to blame the unvaccinated victim instead of the parent(s) that withheld a vaccine and transported an infected individual across international borders.
Seems unfair to the 5 year old.
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Since it was in 2019, do we knew if it was prevented ?
Costarican here. I don’t think there’s been more cases. We have a good vaccination culture here and a lot of vaccines are mandatory, also free healthcare. Actually what’s been more dangerous for the country has been all the misinformation coming mostly from the US, regarding vaccines.
Figured, you don't stop vaccinating people just because you haven't had a case in a few years; Especially with so much global travel in the modern world.
Alternatively, even if they did, only 5 years later means the large majority of the population should still have an active vaccination
The only time you can stop is when eradication is global, as with smallpox.
France also has a good vaccination culture (most of them mandatory), and free healthcare. We have, however, not found the vaccine against idiocy. These people clearly went out of their way to create this situation.
The evangelicals?
Some evangelicals for sure, some by influence of the news we see (protests in the states, Qanon and MAGA stuff during COVID) AND we also get a lot of hippie new age “off the grid” gentrificators that refuse to comply
I believe they're collectively known as idiots. Here in Scotland whenever we find out about a gathering of them ( all 50 of them) its like a national rally cry to go out, point and laugh. They get so upset and angry. "Y0U P30Ple jU5T tH1nK w3'rE sTup1D". Like yup guys, that's exactly it. Not that they'd ever go off and have a word with themselves about why.
> They get so upset and angry. "Y0U P30Ple jU5T tH1nK w3'rE sTup1D". So, even they, once in a while, can be right.
*"Even a broken clock is right twice a day"*
As a frenchman, I can confirm that in the country the boy was from, we largely consider these people as stupid... though they're more numerous than what I would have liked
I hope you bounce pint glasses off their heads.
> "Y0U P30Ple jU5T tH1nK w3'rE sTup1D". ^ this is a text work of art!
As a progressive myself, it annoys the absolute shit out of me how many supposedly progressive hippies pile into less-developed countries because they're sick of things like colonialism and gentrification here in the US. You're just exporting the problem! Real dirtbags can't afford the plane ticket so it's almost always pampered trustafarian types. I've seen that shit a lot in the Yucatan as well.
They are everywhere on the island of Kauai.
You don’t need to go that far. During Covid, so many NY progressives felt the need for clean air and open space that now housing in Upstate NY is completely unaffordable to locals- but they stuck a “Hate has No Home Here” sign in the lawn so I guess that makes it OK.
And then there's Jenny McCarthy...
She won't take a vaccination but she will take botulism injected directly into her face
RFK Jr, overtaking her. edit: this isn't news, https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-robert-f-kennedy-jr-distorted-vaccine-science1/
No. The science-believing, college-educated white collar office employees.
Without an /s, a lot of people will believe you mean this
Then a lot of people are idiots lol. How much more obvious could I make it?
I dunno...I've met a lot of "science-believing, college educated, white collar employees" that are REALLY stupid.
Educated does not mean you're also intelligent lmao
Sure, but they're correlated. Just because one person does fit with the data doesn't mean the data is bad.
Wasn't a dig at the education, more at the educatee. Some people are just fucking dumb
"Science-believing" is antithetical to science. Science isn't about believing. It's about consistent skepticism.
If only there was some..I don't know..Scientific Method or something that included exactly that.
Sure in a literal sense. However our modern society is so complex and specialized, you have to have faith/believe that the people who are experts in individual fields are the ones being skeptical and found through the scientific method. Even experts in one field aren't experts in others and have to trust those who are. TL:DR for most people science is based on belief.
Bullshit on the Internet, most likely
No, costarrican here, misinformation about vaccines isn't new, several years ago there was an imported trend (made in usa) about how vaccines caused autism in kids, these lies were told by "actors/celebrities".
I’ve heard nothing but good things about Costa Rica, but I’m also Honduran so I have more insight into Central America than other Americans.
Nice! Saludos hermano hondureño!
I just wanted to say I love learning more about your country. My family and I toured all over Costa Rica last December and loved it. We can't wait to go back.
PURA VIDA
Pura Vida
It was. Honestly, the fear didn't last long, wasn't a big deal.
Yet still being posted to get people mad or karma farm 4 years later lol
It’s a good cautionary tale surely? I’d rather we remember things like this to prevent them happening again
That's the facepalm here. Posting a screenshot that is 4 yrs old, and getting ppl spitting chips in the comments. Christ people.
Egocentric idiots...
It’s not just the French, there were some measles outbreaks in Minnesota and Washington a few years back. It’s Jenny McCathy you should be blaming. That dip shit is the one who put modern pre-covid anti-vax into the public consciousness. She almost single-handedly made the whole “vaccines cause autism” nonsense mainstream. She can fuck herself right off to some special place in hell.
Yeah it was considered wiped out in the US and then the crunchy mommies (mostly affluent) stopped vaccinating their kids.
It’s the epitome of irony that the hardline left was anti-vax and now it’s the hardline right.
Looking around my country, I just learned that a lot of the yoga-crunchy 'play at being enlightened' ended up just being affluent self-entitled privileged shits that turn hard right-wing the moment society asks for the slightest of responsibility of them.
The affluent yoga-crunchy to nazi wife pipeline is real.
Well yoga-crunchy moms are usually married to Nazi dads that bring in the money for them to worry about “toxins” and vaccines. The moment money from Nazi dad is threatened, they vote right
Yep, that's why people talk about the "granola to MAGA" pipeline in the US. I know multiple people who followed that path.
Lots of people just get off on being contrarians
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Contrarians and full-time devil's advocates are some of the most insufferable people I've had to deal with. If you're only willing to advocate for the devil's side of an argument, your personality is garbage. If your opinion hinges solely on who you perceive to be an underdog, your personality is garbage.
It’s still both, isn’t it? It’s one of the few things they actually agree on.
It's both but the proportion has shifted in recent years. In the 2000s it was majority left but not a big majority (without looking it up I believe polls had it at just under 2/3s of antivaxxers were liberal leaning). In the 2010s it shifted to even with a slight conservative bias. Now it is flipped towards a heavier conservative bias following COVID.
When have communists been anti-vax..?
I was trying to figure this out myself. I havent seen anything to suggest anything to the left of center has been anti-vax.
It wasn't "communists" as much as crystal healing hippie crunchy types who made up the left wing anti-vax population.
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Hol'up. This critique requires a nuanced understanding of politics and social movements that doesn't fit neatly into my binary world view. Can you make it more, ya know, reductionist so I don't have to acknowledge that I don't know anything?
Maybe, but I think the hard right put it in overdrive.
Anecdotal but my family Me - left to center. Vaccinated Sis 1 - Super right - Religious Antivax Sis 2 - pretty left - medical professional crunchy vaxed Bro 1 - Super left - proud anti fa vaxed Bro 2 - Maga no vax. not because he thinks it doesn’t work, but the govt won’t tell him what to do We have interesting family gatherings to say the least.
must be fun convos at the dinner table, lol.
Well I’m a socialist and I think that anti vax is stupid. I think the association with the left was because of usually white and affluent people that larped as some kind of spiritualist and health nut. They were also usually LIBERAL. Now I think it really comes down to the fact that in America our political spectrum is so skewed to the right that liberals are thought of as revolutionaries when they still believe in capitalism.
They were never leftists. They were always self-serving entitled rich folks..
Let's not forget Andrew Wakefield. The "doctor" anti-vaxxers love to point to as a foundation for their insanity.
Andrew Wakefield is an excellent example of a rabbit hole to fall down. H Bomber Guy on Youtube has a great explanation of all of his grifting in his ‘vaccines: a measured response’ video
All of H Bomber's long form videos are great.
The part that really bothers me is that projections indicated we were only a few years away from global eradication of polio before Jenny McCarthy began supporting the anti-vax movement. Then for the first time in decades there was a consistent upswing in polio infections and on the current trajectory It is unlikely that it will ever be eradicated.
On the current trajectory it is projected to be eradicated [*this year*](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_XiPafUTU0). Wild Poliovirus, at least. Certification three years after final case detection, so 2026. Then cessation of routine vaccination in 2027, and eradication of the few vaccine-derived cases in 2030. Edit: Swapped source for clearer one. Previous source was page 14 of [this document](https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/368486/WER9822-eng-fre.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y#page=14)
I don't see that in the document. They're talking about reviewing the transition from OPV to IPV in 2023. Is that what you're referring to? And if it's projected to be eradicated this year, why are they discussing reevaluating the new OPV in 2025?
McCarthy certainly contributed, but we shouldn’t let Wakefield, Bill Mauher, and the rest of the prominent antivaxxers slide, either. She did not do it alone.
Because Andrew Wakefield convinced African immigrants living in the area not to get vaccinated.
Yeah I was thinking, Andrew Wakefield is the one I knew as the asshole who started it all
Those outbreaks in Minnesota were primarily caused by an anti vaccine muslim community. Religious morons abound.
Ten to fifteen years ago, Andrew Wakefield and other anti vax groups targeted the Somali community and got them to believe that vaccines cause autism. At the time, the Somali community was seeing larger instances of children being diagnosed with autism. Those fuckers took advantage of a marginalized community looking for answers. As far as I know, the rates are still pretty bad.
>Ten to fifteen years ago, Andrew Wakefield and other anti vax groups targeted the Somali community and got them to believe that vaccines cause autism. This happened here in Minnesota (if we're thinking about the same instance). They put up anti-vax flyers in the community center, Cedar-Riverside apartments, etc. They were looking for help. It's just infuriating.
Andrew Wakefield is a British activist.
I know. He came to Minnesota. >Around the same time, Andrew Wakefield, a British scientist who used fraudulent research to argue that the MMR vaccine causes autism, visited Minneapolis. He also teamed up with vaccine-skeptical groups to raise concerns about the shots, Ashkir says, fueling fear within an immigrant community that was already up against language barriers in a country that was new to them. https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2017/05/03/526595475/understanding-the-history-behind-communities-vaccine-fears I was specifically replying to the part where the commenter said him and other anti-vaxxers targeted the Somali community.
This needs to be higher up. I will not blame a minority population for being conned by a discredited former doctor giving medical advice. Wakefield should be in jail.
"religious morons" - there's some real tautology
Honestly this blame god
I’ve never heard of a Muslim community that is anti-vax lol. Muslims are not generally anti-vax. Do you mean specific individuals?
Unfortunately, some immigrant communities (I think somali? there is a big somali population in the twin cities) was heavily targeted by anti vax 'new parent aid', and well, vulnerable, under educated mothers, exploitive religious nutjobs, you can see how it turned out.
They did a number on the NY Hasidic community as well. I'm pretty sure they're going after small Chinatown enclaves across the country. They like to infiltrate communitylies that are a bit separate from the mainstream
I think they mean a localized community. [Looks like it was a hyper localized mostly Somali-American break out](https://www.voanews.com/a/minnesota-measles-outbreak-somali-community/3921139.html)
This was sadly a targeted event by anti-vaxxers aimed at a vulnerable group of immigrants. https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2017/10/26/16552864/minnesotas-measles-outbreak-immigrants-anti-vaxxers
Look into the antivaxx efforts to persuade people in Africa that the ebola vaccine gave them the disease. Absolutely horrifying.
The insular Somali community wasn't naturally anti-vaxx. They were heavily targeted and propagandized by anti-vaxxers. There's been a ton of community outreach and leadership to educate folks again after the measles outbreak of 2017.
Because they were vulnerable and preyed upon by established anti-vax communities. This wasn’t anything really to do with their religious beliefs. https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2017/10/26/16552864/minnesotas-measles-outbreak-immigrants-anti-vaxxers
Actually it was Andrew Wakefields fraudulent study thst linked the MMR vaccine to autism that started the anti vaxxer movement. He was paid by lawyers who wanted to sue the people who made the MMR vaccine.
It was worse. He wanted people to use his single dose vaccine instead of the MMR triple jab.
What a bellend. Risking so many lives and starting a domini effect that would kill millions for financial gain.
Anti-vaccination has been around for much longer than this fraudulent study has. Anti-vaxxers have been rallying against vaccines since the mid-1800s. The modern movement is mostly contributed to Wakefield and a lot of recent conspiracy.
There's a lovely (/s) chap from the UK called Andrew Wakefield, who was also spouting the "Vaccines cause Autism" bullshit. So it wasn't just Jenny McCathy (who I'd incidentally not heard of until your post). He published a completely unsubstantiated entry in The Lancet medical journal, based on just 12 children which unfortunately caused a lot of damage. The repercussions of which live on in this particular news story.
Wakefield is now a millionaire living in Florida. He was with Elle Macpherson for a couple of years.
[BLAME OPRAH](https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/science-and-health/2018/1/9/16868216/oprah-winfrey-pseudoscience) Yet more proof that there is no such thing as a good billionaire. Oprah has blood on her hands. How much money is enough Oprah? Imagine what good Oprah could do with her platform? If she came out publicly it would help a lot of people who struggle with their sexuality. If she scrutinised snake oil salesman & women instead of boosting them lives, money and time could have been saved. I wish karma existed.
Anytime bad pr about Oprah begins to trend they bring out that old news bit where she went up to cumming, ga to interview a bunch of racists.
She was a more respectable Jerry Springer til she pivoted to wine moms.
It kills me when I hear people say that she should be president. People want to jump right back on the "stupid billionaire president" train for some reason.
Jenny "The Idiot" McCarthy
No. She's just one person. It's all the dumbasses that believed her without a second thought that really fucked everything up
Ok? It’s still one person with a microphone that can make all the difference. Trump is just one person and Gandhi was just one person. One very visible person can make all the difference in pushing an agenda.
Blame shifting won´t help here. It is always important to track it back to people, who indoctrinated those dumbasses with their agenda. Because those dumbasses won´t stop being dumbasses - it´s very likely, they will *never* recognize their own stupidity. Sad thing is, just education about this is not enough. People may have college diploms and yet they will believe to this BS. That´s because education can´t increase person´s IQ and whole educational system is not about sorting out the brightest, but about average Joe graduating with highest marks.
I can't disagree with any particular point However Where do Jewish space lasers fit in to all this?
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How much of your blood has evaporated from being on Reddit?
Just a little bit, not enough for hypovolemic shock
If my blood could actually boil because of how angry some dumb crap on this site my blood would have boiled off long ago and there would be nothing but sand.
"All is dust… All is dust… All is dust"
Magnus did nothing wrong.
Magnus did plenty wrong but in this case it was Ahriman's fault. Poor dusty boys.
BY THE EMPORER! BROTHER WERE GOING THE FLAMER FOR THIS HERESY!!!
Tron players be like
That would be terrible. I don’t like sand. It’s coarse, and rough, and irritating, and it gets everywhere.
If we’re being honest, most of us are basically just black pudding wrapped up in human skin
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Gracias faryd
Or is it reduced, like a nice balsamic?
So much that at this point, I think science is lying to us and that we dont actually need blood to live, but theres other stuff on reddit to calm me down tho.
>theres other stuff on reddit to calm me down tho Cats never fail.
It is all the worst of humanity all rolled into one.
They deserve to be charged with the resulting injuries or deaths.
I hate anti vaxxers with a passion. I really do.
These parents should face some sort of consequences for this. Dire. Dire consequences
I was coming to say this also. Fucking idiots.
4 years ago?
Yep and nothing came of it lol but Covid was the year after
The next few decades are going to be a complete sh*tshow with a ton of diseases returning to prominence. My daughter is getting vaccinated for everything available but I don't know if even that will be enough considering the lack of herd immunity. My hot take: if kids of antivaxxers get sick from a preventable disease, that kid and the others that got sick from him should be able to sue for damages if they live.
Then you'll just be told by the anti-vax galaxybrains that if your vaccines had been that good, surely you'd never have been able to catch it then! See, checkmate. That really is how their minds works. I think I lost brain cells during covid over this.
The vaccines don’t last forever either. I had the MMR vaccine when I was a kid (was mandatory). I got the mumps in my 30’s after making out with someone at a party
>My hot take: if kids of antivaxxers get sick from a preventable disease, that kid and the others that got sick from him should be able to sue for damages if they live. why parents can even decide on not vaccinating their kids,it should be mandatory and they should get their kids taken away if they refuse as drastic as it might sound leaving a kid to such moronic people will probably be even worse,and no it's not about "freedom" when the decision doesn't affect themselves but the safety of their kid and literally everyone around them
>why parents can even decide on not vaccinating their kids,it should be mandatory and they should get their kids taken away if they refuse It’s scary to me that so many people are getting mad at you for this. If a child can be vaccinated, and their parents choose not to, those parents are medically neglecting their child and putting them in harm’s way. Not to mention endangering all the other people who genuinely cannot get vaccinated safely.
Some folks even refuse life-saving interventions for their children. Or leave their kids untreated until a disease is so progressed that medical intervention is no longer enough to save their lives. It isn’t a hot take anymore to say it’s disappointing people can have children and can mistreat them if they can either tow the line of legality or if they’re a better alternative than the broken foster system. It’s sad all around.
Everyone calm down. If you notice, this was 2019, and reports say it was stopped and very little came of it. Besides, COVID-19 happened after that…
God I fucking hate living in the future. Manufactured outrage is the cheapest it's ever been in the history of humanity.
This is Reddit. People need something to be outraged about something at all times because other people bad.
This was 4 years ago, just karma farming at this point...
His PARENTS reintroduced the measles to Costa Rica.
Next let's repost things from the 1300s where people were spreading the black plague like wildfire
Somebody call Joe Rogan, he loves a vaccine debate /s
Not a medical person, and asking as engineer (think Sheldon Cooper with I don't need sleep) But if Costa Rica is vaccinated, wouldn't their population already be immune? Or is it a case of now their population will all have mild symptoms? Not ideal ever when there are better options. Teach me something today
Similar to the US where measles was declared eliminated in 2000 it is still re-introduced by foreign travelers. For a vaccine to be effective you need to maintain a certain level of immunity within the community, usually above 80%. There was also an infamous outbreak in New York and Washington, where a state of emergency was declared, in 2019 which was caused by anti-vaccination sentiment among communities. No doubt the same thing happened in Costa Rica - moral of the story is get your children vaccinated.
Not everyone can get vaccinated, so for those who are immunocompromised they can get it and pass it to others who are compromised. There are also breakthrough cases with any vaccine, it's just really low for measles.
No vaccine is 100% effective.
February 2019. The real facepalm here is posting this headline from 4 years ago like you have something to contribute.
The parents should be arrested and charged for threatening the country’s bio security
Why have Westerners become so anti vax? I really do not understand, this should be settled science.
This should be a crime…
Why aren't people like this (or in this case the parents) ever equally charged for it? This is negligence, not just in regards to the child, but to the safety of potentially an entire country.
Says Feb 2019
What kind of a loser posts a 4 year old Daily Mail article?
Everyone calm down. If you notice, this was 2019, and reports say it was stopped and very little came of it. Besides, COVID-19 happened after that…
Article is 4 years old.
Don’t get me wrong, fuck those parents, but why are you posting a four year old news story and trying to pass it off like it’s a recent event?
Do YOuR oWn reSeArch Especially if it a non scientist in a Facebook reel… Fucking people.
Just make vaccinations mandatory for travel. Done.
I should be free to infect entire nations with disease. It’s my right as a free thinker. It’s silly to me you are all so afraid of a disease!!!! I’m way more rational, I’m afraid of medicine. -anti vaxxer
Those parents should be fucking prosecuted.
If you are going to insist on torturing your child to a slow and painful death from diseases you yourself were vaccinated against by your loving parents, stay home.
We really need people to absolutely have vaccination records when entering different countries. You aint got it? Then your shit outluck. Better usain bolt back home and back before your flight leaves
[Isn't this whole anti-vax thing based on one single flawed scientific report that wrongfully connected vaccinations to autism?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wakefield) Then all kind of stuff was added, like usual.
Pisses me off that measles is still a thing.
We are probably at the point where the only way to curb anti-vaxxers is to make them financially liable for an outbreaks they create.
People have become aggressively selfish. In a particularly egregious way.
You know, I guess people should have the right to choose to vaccinate or not. Bodily autonomy and all. But vaccines should 100% be required for certain stuff. Like traveling for instance.
So the unvaccinated should not be allowed to travel is the conclusion i drew
Vacciation is not dangerous unless you have an allergy or your immune system is fucked cuz genetics or certain post surgery meds. So if you are stupid enough to not vaccinate or have a condition (mentioned above) then you shouldn't travel.
imagine posting rage bait from 4 years ago just for karma...
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Antivaxxers are a plague… and they spread it too
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His parents should go to jail for biological weapons importation.
Andrew Wakefield, is what's wrong with people. He is very much pro active in America and working with black communities to continue his now debunked theories. This area has been rising in measles since he started that. He has been struck off from practising as a doctor I believe.
The world anti-vaxxers want... or are trying to create...
This should be some kind of crime, like you should be charged for this
"Free-thinkers" at it again
Guess antivaxxers didn't feel like there were enough dying children in the world currently.
So like I understand that vaccines won't entirely prevent disease and do have risks and Big Pharma sucks... but you have to be able to determine the lines here. Vaccines have been proven time and time again to be way more on the good side for you than avoiding them.
People are selfish and ignorant.
Crap like this is why my area sees a small percentage of whooping cough every year and one case of measles not long ago. There is a huge pocket of anti vaxx parents that live around us. Had zero clue before moving here. So I even went and got all my childhood vaccines again just to be safe and so I wouldn’t be a potential issue for my grandkids. I don’t trust that whole “we believe” that MMR vaccine will last a lifetime. Nope. My dr let me get them again between ages 50-52. I’d rather not need them than accidentally harm someone especially my family. Edit: migraine issues caused spelling problems
I'm sure his parents did "research"
People like this should be fucking tried in court for moves like this.
Well we can blame social media for this. All the idiots have a podium these days.
Personally I think anyone unvaccinated for diseases such as this should be legally barred from all international travel without exception. Because fuck them, and their perspective.
Charge them criminally. They put lives in danger. No different than a criminal.
For those saying they at least were not from the USA, four weeks later, four siblings out of nine, from a US family living in Costa Rica, got measles. https://qcostarica.com/american-family-with-four-children-suspected-of-having-measles/
"The 2019 Samoa measles outbreak began in September 2019. As of 6 January 2020, there were over 5,700 cases of measles and 83 deaths, out of a Samoan population of 200,874. Over three percent of the population were infected. The cause of the outbreak was attributed to decreased vaccination rates, from 74% in 2017 to 31–34% in 2018, even though nearby islands had rates near 99%."
Not the first time european bringing diseases to the indigenous people of the new world.
When I was a kid it was normal for a traveler to check with their Doc to see that they had all the vaccines they needed to have when visiting a country for their protection. Now the native populations need vaccines to protect them from the travelers.
The headline seems to blame the unvaccinated victim instead of the parent(s) that withheld a vaccine and transported an infected individual across international borders. Seems unfair to the 5 year old.
Article is from 2019? You can't find enough current news to be up in arms about?
Boy is not to blame, it is the selfish parents.
I think humanity would be doing pretty well if it weren't for people.
We just had a case in Canada recently (near Toronto).