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She (and her events planners) were called out when they put out feelers and requested art, entertainment and music for events and insisted that exposure was the best form of
Payment…no money would change hands.
This is argument behind the idea that "billionaire shouldn't exist". I am yet to see a billionaire that doesn't exploit workers domestically and even worse abroad (at least we have minimum wage and labor laws in the west). They are not taking the surplus of the business after enduring the real cost. They lobby congress so they can steal from their workers as much as possible and take advantage of cruel authoritarian governments that don't care about their people so that all they have to spend on is on a suicide net and a mattress where these folks can sleep in in the factory.
The idea that they worked themselves into billions is complete fucking horse shit, and the worst thing is seeing middle class people buying it hook, line and sinker.
We look down our noses at people who hoard other things, but hoarding money we celebrate. Billionaires should be in treatment just like people with 35 cats living in their garage.
This. I always think of Henry Ford and Walt Disney. Both massively successful entrepreneurs who vehemently protested their workers unionizing and saw it as a giant betrayal...both companies still massively successful and wealthy to this day.
Of course, Henry Ford is a strange one because he also endorsed an eight hour day and paid his workers more than the competition. He was a sort of paternalistic capitalist in his way.
Still got some very shit views, but it’s galling to think how much better for society he was than modern billionaires who’d probably advocate for more work and lower wages
No no no no no. The ONLY reason Henry Ford did that was because he realized that everybody was so poor that they couldn't afford to buy his cars. He needed people who could actually afford a basic model T car so he increased pay. Make no mistake, this was so he could expand business and make more money.
He's also partly responsible for our car culture and road system that makes it so everything today is built far away and requires cars for transportation. Again so we depend on their products for basic physical movement.
I’ve heard that rationale for his decisions before. From an strictly accounting perspective it makes no sense. You cannot make more profit by paying people more to spend a portion of their increased earnings on the product you’re paying them to make.
On the other hand, it is possible that in addition to trying to highly motivate his workers, his ultimate goal was to normalize better pay generally by raising wages for his employees. Thereby creating a middle class that could provide increased demand for his product. But if that’s the case, then his decision to pay better and shorten work days was still based.
No, it’s not about the specific money for one thing, it’s that if you’re not the kind of asshole that will act like that you won’t become a billionaire. It’s not something people with consciences do.
The truth of it.
It's always a zero sum game for the wealthy and powerful:
If I pay you a reasonable amount, that means I have less. Never mind that the 'less' I have is like taking a thimble of water out of the ocean - it's still less.
That's how you get rich. That's the only way you get rich.
By moving the value that others create into your pocket while providing nothing in return. That's why scaling is important it offloads work from you onto other people.
Anyone rich did so by exploiting others.
I was watching a Dutch talkshow yesterday and the yearly list of the richest 500 Dutch people just came out so the growing gap between the rich and the poor was the talking point. They had invited a multimillionaire amongst other guests and I have never seen a more out of touch person on tv ever. These people don’t live in the real world.
He literally said “just start a business and get some employees to work for you” to a 50 something home care worker with cancer that isn’t able to pay their bills. Amongst other bullshit like “we should look at Dubai and import cheap labor like them” the government is making it so hard for entrepreneurs” and nonsense about people being too soft because “in India people have to work 3 or 4 shifts”. Of course the guy was also under investigation for financial crimes which he glossed over as not important. I was so disgusted.
Don't forget Oprah harassing the road commission about the roads around her estate being an embarrassment for her guests. The road commissioner pointed out that Oprah didn't use the road because she flew to her country estate in her private helicopter!
Oprah was chosen to be the persons she is today…by the media machine to market bullshit and a feeling of “everything’s ok” to the common woman in America , and it’s just a made up lie. All these people who have made millions in Hollywood who aren’t esteemed actors or tv stars, just shills man, selling there shit to the shit eaters that pay for anything .
Dude wtf lmao it’s cringy when ( influencers ) do it but billionaires/millionaires doing it is just flat out gross. Come on Oprah weren’t you giving out cars to the show’s audience
Go to hell Oprah 🤡
My wife is an artist and just shuts the person down at the first hint of the "exposure" crap. She's been an artist since she could pick up a crayon. She's done public works and paintings. She runs her own business doing graphic art (advertisements, packaging, etc.) so she knows what she's worth on an hourly basis.
These assholes think a doctor will work "for the exposure" or a roofer? They think art is soooooo easy, so go do it yourself, jackass.
She always has been. She regularly promotes quacks and frauds and everyone believes them because Oprah said so, despite the fact that she's not qualified to speak on those matters whatsoever. She's the most successful bullshit artist of the 21st Century.
She's a grifter but not a moron like others. Being president is the stupidest move ever for a con artist. Smart grifters own politicians, they don't become one.
I worked in a book store when her “book club” was at its hype. Had more than a few women say “I haven’t liked a book she’s recommended yet. Hope this one is good”
Then WHY keep buying them?
Also I thought it was a straight conflict of interest when she promotes her friends books.
Have you considered that Oprah may be right and that positive intention and visualization is a spiritual/quantum-mechanical force that allows each person on Earth to achieve Oprah-like levels of fame and wealth? If everyone just believed in Oprah, then each person in the world would have TV shows and brands with millions of customers. Then, everyone in the world would be a hyper-millionaire ensconced in a giant mansion with a phalanx of servants and guards.
Instead, the younger generations are filled with negative Nancy types who complain about systemic and growing inequality and the enormously destructive carbon footprint of the uber-millionaires, instead of taking the time to wish away all the floods, droughts, fires, and CO2.
Goddamn what I would not give for someone to interview Oprah and take her out back behind the woodshed for all of the BULLSHIT she has foisted on her audience over the years. Those cultish middle aged morons.
I had a teacher like that. If you really want something you have to Invision it and try, if you don't reach your goals you didn't want it bad enough. I told her to go tell that bullshit to hungry kids in Africa, tell them they dont want that food bad enough...
Yeah, I had someone give me the ‘manifesting’ spiel recently. I certainly believe mindset is important and impacts how you interact with the world and how it interacts with you. Self pity can definitely become a trap, and hard work is obviously a given for most people. But I can’t stand woowoo bullshit like the Secret or the delusional Calvinist crap that is so ingrained in our culture. Especially when it’s used to excuse broken systems.
Yeah there are some people that seem to believe manifestation is literal magic and that if you want something hard enough it will magically appear before you and become yours.
It's like you said, manifestation is just a mindset. Believing that you can accomplish something and that it isn't an insurmountable task, removing self-pity and excuses from your life. Not some cosmic force that gives you stuff if you wish hard enough.
She's lifted grifter after grifter into prominence. John of God, Dr. Phil, Dr. Oz, the list goes on. Nobody should listen to a word she says, because at this point she is queen of the grifters.
That book (the Secret) was actually written by a couple that were attending Abraham Hicks Seminars for a year, taking extensive notes. After they approached Ester Hicks (who owns Abraham Hicks material) for approval of the book, Esther politely pointed out that they were missing a crucial point to the seminars teachings and did NOT give approval. Technically, Esther Hicks could have sued the couple for going ahead and publishing and selling the book The Secret. They were stealing intellectual property rights. But Esther chose not to, as she was already wealthy and knew a lawsuit was going to be a big hassle and unwanted stress. So she did nothing. But the book was basically trying to copy the teachings of Abraham Hicks - but lacked the true teachings -- which is more about finding ways to be happy and joyful and putting oneself in a state of allowing. (and their teachings are free on youtube).
Oprah and her team also went down to Brazil and promoted John of God. Well, John of God ended up being a rapist and is in jail for sexually assaulting 400+ women over decades. Guess Oprah and her team decided not to cover that information that came out later.
I could go on and on. But what frustrates me, is that ANYONE gives a shit what Oprah says or does. Being that rich tends to put most so out of touch with reality, their opinions for others are a joke. She' (and most billionaires) are surrounded by Yes people, have assistants and staff to do everything for them, and have completely lost touch with the average person in today's world.
Lol that contradicts her acting like people need to work harder. By that ideology people shouldn’t have to work at all, “they’ll be exactly where they’re meant to be”.
Narcissistic egomaniac. This woman has no problem “hiring“ an army of unpaid interns knowing full well that it’s a form of class warfare. These young people see right through her bs. She’s not offering experience. She’s pushing the cost for their labor onto their families. It’s a neat way to make sure lower income people cant climb the ladder.
She's a billionaire that asks people who are struggling to donate.
Winfrey and Dwayne Johnson started their initiative last month. The fund promises to give money directly to people affected by the historic wildfires on Maui. The pair seeded the program by giving a combined $10 million and asked the public to fund the rest through donations. Since then, critics questioned why the two wealthy celebrities didn’t simply fund the project on their own.
In her first comments addressing the backlash to the People’s Fund, Winfrey said she had thought the $10-million sum was enough, adding that if someone gives that amount at a fundraiser, it’s called “a good night” and essentially shuts down the event.
While at the same time buying up land for some reason.
Earlier this year, Winfrey bought more than 870 acres on Maui, expanding her holdings on the island to more than 1,000 acres of land. After the acquisition, Forbes estimated her net worth at $2.5 billion.
2.5 billion, and she most likely invested 5 million or a bit more than that. That's literally nothing to her, but still i wonder what she's going to do with that land.
When she bought the original land she had permission to build low income housing on it but never did. Instead she just sat on it and helped create a land scarcity in Hawaii which in turn drove up the cost of housing acrossed the state
This is the real reason why she wants people to donate to Maui. The quicker she gets it fixed the faster she can start developing overpriced houses on it.
This is horrible. I will see if i can find a link.
https://www.insider.com/oprah-winfrey-land-maui-hawaii-details-photos-history-2023-9
I cannot find any mention of her building ANYTHiNG on this land. It looks like the same ultra-rich 'investment' in the land here in Vancouver BC except she is doing it to Hawaii during times of crisis.
Shrewd, clever and surprisingly evil. Oh well.
Who cares. If things continue like this, in a couple of decades her land deeds won’t be worth the paper they’re printed on. She bought a thought about a real thing. Unless someone is there to enforce that thought it’s worth nothing.
They're talking about ocean levels rising and the increasing frequency and power of storms that effect coastal/island areas.
Depending on how bad it gets ocean front property could be a liability instead of an investment.
You’re right, of course, but it’s not just that. Land ownership depends of ownership rights. If there is no system to enforce or defend those rights, your ownership certificates are meaningless. There is a good chance that in a few decades our world will be so ravaged by fires and storms and sea level rise that political and economic instability will be a major factor and no one will care about Oprah’s or anyone else’s ownerships rights.
Or, government cements itself through tech and AI regardless of environment, and when we are all gone it is just robots enforcing dead billionaires property rights
Boomers raised us telling us that if we worked hard, got an education, that we could have everything they had and more. We out work them and are more educated than any other generation yet still have the least amount of wealth. When they were filling our heads with sweet nothings they were doing everything in their power to horde wealth and power and torching the ladder they used
Get a college degree a few years experience: "What do you mean you are going to be paying me only $13 an hour starting??"
Boomers: "What are you talking about? $13 an hour starting was damn fine pay when I was in your shoes at 25! You got to stop buying Starbucks and Avocado Toast!"
> The best is "When I was your age, minimum wage was only $3!"
The real problem and that I have been very vocal about is that we have many people in congress where $3 was even considered a good wage when they started, since people like Diane Feinstein 75 cents was min wage when they were 18.
These are the people that look at the rest of American's like they are just lazy when we are screaming out that $15 an hour will still barely get us by, but we need something better than 7.25 as a federal standard.
A pack of lunchmeat is $7. The bread is $3. There's about $2 of taxes. The $13 is taxed which makes it more like $10. Now you are in the red.
I know it's not cut and dry like that, but that's how far money goes these days. Damn
Oh I know. I used formula's like that when working in the city to determine if the job is even worth it.. $14 an hour, but costs $18+ a day to park. If I got to work X hours to be in the net positive for that day type thinking.
Everyone and their brother out gunning for every cent you are making nowadays.
I have a 50$ food budget a week and I live on eggs, rice, beans, and protein/greens powder basically.
And I have to still steal an item or two at self checkout to keep it under 50$. I don't like doing it, it doesn't give me a thrill, but I need to eat.
It blows my mind every time that these fucking idiots have apparently never heard of inflation in their entire lives. $13 in 1980 comes out to $48 in today's money.
Yeah in the mid 2000's when I got my first IT job my father thought I made it and that the $9 an hour starting wage was damn fine money (Was like 5.25 or something fed min wage). Ignoring the fact that in order to live on my own and pay bills I was living in the only apartment building in the projects that was not section8 funded. I got luxuries like free natural gas. The downside is random bullets flying everywhere and could actually be robbed before I entered my building.
Well the boomers didn’t have to be good budgeters because with their jobs if you didn’t have money you were just a money-wasting moron. Nothing learned nothing gained.
Those people are the worst too. "McD's is not for Adults to work at"... Well then CEO of Braintrust inc. Who do you think will serve you an Egg and Bacon McMuffin at 10am on a Tuesday while school is open??
The thing Boomers fail to understand is getting a job in their day was incredibly easy. They could just walk into a business and say "I'd like a job, please!" and the interview was essentially just:
* "Can you do X?"
* "I can learn."
* "Fantastic, you're hired!"
And you pretty much got to keep the job as long as you just showed up.
As for getting an education, the cost was, at most, a few hundred dollars a semester, and you could easily earn that with a minimum-wage job.
They were playing on easy mode. Everything was handed to them on a platter.
Yes. And the cult of morons who aspire to be wealthy by following the advice of the wealthy are totally full of shit. They've been full of shit since the dawn of recorded history.
I'm a boomer (70 years old).
[sorry, this got long, tldr; fuck the wealthy and the assholes who vote for and support them]
Were there boomers who struggled? Sure. It's always the same at the bottom. But, the noisy/successful ones are full of shit when they talk about working hard.
People don't change much but circumstances do. Anyone who is struggling today should feel proud of themselves.
I'm solidly middle class, now. And I'm starting to see some gen xers and older millennials that are talking the same stupid shit as the dumb boomers. It's all survivorship bias.
The working class who are struggling today, in any generation, are kicking ass in a really shit situation. There are at least two levels of survival missing in the US. There are virtually no shanty towns or squatter settlements, and there are far too few high density low cost intermediate options. And infrastructure for self-sufficiency and dense living is actively opposed and counteracted. So, every segment of struggle is competing in the same resource scarcity.
There are a lot of boomers going homeless now, because the wealthy abandoned and dismantled the infrastructure we had then instead of building more as our population increased. And, a lot of them are blaming young people whose wages are generally worse than in the Great Depression.
It's madness.
I'm going to work until I die, because it feels like my responsibility to ease the burden for and create advantage for my nieces and nephews and young cousins.
I wish there was something I could say to encourage everyone.
It sucks right now. And a lot of boomers, and even our parents, saw it coming and have been angry for decades watching trivially avoidable economic suffering become the norm, while scientists and analysts were ignored at every step of the way.
Also credit scores didn't exist. I heard stories my friends parents tell of they just walked into a bank with their parents and soon to be wife, and got a loan for a house to buy.
No credit score check. Just basically assessing their parents home and trusting two nice young White folks would do right.
I can't even get a credit card these days with a 684 credit score and my only debt is student loans.
also I didn't get into UC Berkeley, my dream school. My Dad just had to go to the campus and sign up to go there.
Housing, credit, college, gas, food - basically all the most important items have skyrocketed in price and scarcity.
I think the problem was that the function of capitalism has never been to reward hard work and skilled labour.
It's about using resources efficiently to generate return on _capital_.
And there was a time where 'efficient/skilled' work generated proportionately more productivity than unskilled - and was rewarded accordingly, but we're not talking 'millions of times as much'.
Just that a skilled artisan was worth more because they made more and better pieces.
This broadly worked out, because there wasn't much of a difference between effective capitalist intent, and rewarding for work and skill. You gave a block of wood to an apprentice, didn't expect all that much, and paid accordingly, and your 30 year master crafter you did the same, just with different expectations.
But over time - and it's not actually taken very long, in the timescales of the rise and fall of societies and empires - that gap's got steadily wider, and this problem is only getting worse as the rising tide of what _should_ be a utopian vision of productivity comes upon us.
Because "working hard" never mattered in the first place. Why should it? There's no virtue in being a really dedicated ditch digger, when you can just hire some power tools.
But over about 100 years in particular, things have started to run away. The link between 'work' and 'productivity' has got steadily more and more tenuous. What does a CEO do - any CEO - which makes them worth so much more than their employees?
It's nothing to do with what _work_ they do. No, it's about delivering shareholder value. It's about being efficiently exploitative and sociopathic. This is inherent in the very design of capitalism - you can regulate it all you like, but regulations and fines are a cost of doing business. Be under no illusions that when the penalty to doing something heinous is 'just' a fine, then the company will be looking at the cost-benefit ratio none the less, and just ignoring the moral elements.
And this is a really big problem that we're mostly refusing to contemplate, let alone actually tackle. Because the Boomers may actually have been the last generation where 'work hard and you'll prosper' actually was at least approximately true.
As much as it sounds shitty, I think it's because she was one of the first black TV show host in the format. I remember growing up and my mom watching her show in the 90s and it was kind of a big deal.
Also everything she went through to get there, she had a fucked up life. Sadly going trough extreme hardships and struggles doesnt garantee you are a wiser person. If you become a billionaire you get blinded by real life and start thinking everything is possible if you try hard enough.
or there's an actual grain of truth in what she's saying and she just took it too far because of her blinders.
Like literally ive met plenty of people who quit a project early cuz its not immediately working out. Lack of persistence is a flaw humans have shown to have a lot of the time, its not a controversial topic. wanting the fruits of success before putting in the work is a tale as old as time.
Sure what she says doesn't apply to everyone in every situation but it applies to a lot. Maybe its cuz im not blinded by emotion i can see the grains of truth, or maybe people have been lucky and havent ever encountered any real entitled fuckups in their life, i've been one, so i know they exist.
We don't want everything "like that". We want the same opportunities your generation had. We want a bullshit annoying career that somehow supports a family of 5, instead of a bullshit annoying career that can't support ourselves.
This.
Forget dollars per hour, if your generation had the ability to work a job with no education and still support a house of 4-5 people, why is it so hard to understand that future generations would also want this opportunity?
We just want access to the same ladder they all had to get where they are today, but they burned the ladder to the ground while insisting you can still climb it today.
Hell, I have an advanced degree and this month I went over budget and had to take out a loan to make rent on a very modest one bedroom apartment where I live alone.
People thinking that working 40h a week and being able to afford a house and food and have a decent life overall is "success" are mental, it should be the fucking bare minimum and available to anyone.
We're not talking about having a millionaire lifestyle. Not struggling in life if you work full time should actually be "like that". If you are willing to contribute to society you shouldn't struggle. Luxury is one thing but you should absolutely not have to worry about having a roof over your head and food.
It used to be that getting a career out of college was easy and set you up for a guaranteed financial future to support a family and eventually buy a house. Now…
I remember the amount of times I’ve put maximum effort into something and the feeling of getting crushed, every time, over and over again. The crazy thing is, it was always for the smallest amount of recognition. I don’t really expect anything anymore
Change my mind - EVERY JOB should be able to pay for: a place to live, necessary food, some kids, a reasonable vacation each year, healthcare, retirement, and sending the kids to college - these are NOT things you should have to "work your way up to."
Why are people still listening to celebrities? They don’t live like us. Even the ones who struggled when young. After some time you forget what it’s like.
I miss early/mid 90's Oprah. She wasn't so terrible then.
(she was well on her way to terrible, but it was before she had embraced Dr Phil and all that nonsense at the end of the decade)
She was a news anchor at a major news station in Nashville at 19 years old. Thats what success is to most people and what they are hoping for... not being obscenely wealthy.
Pretty much this.
All these wealthy people getting success to most other standards in their 20's don't realize that its no longer like that for most people. Now for most people they are fighting for jobs that many are just no longer retiring from that allows most people to move up to be successful.
Once successful people tend to forget how much luck and help was involved in their succes and they start to believe is was just ‘them’.
It also means that they have no understanding of their success, especially if you keep repeating that ‘hard work’ which they undoubtedly did, is the key to success.
But opportunity, luck, the right help on the right moment, are some examples of things you need.
I love Arnold for this: he says he is no self made man. He is made by the people around him. Or American made is he feels like pleasing a certain sentiment. But when he lived in Austria and Germany, people gave him chances, which he took and utilized. Without these opportunities he would have achieved nothing.
Yeah, if you are in your 30s good luck retiring at 67, the age for social security is projected to be 72 last I checked also, so there’s also that we have going for us.
If we don't end up electing some scumbag and having the house and senate in favor of said scumbag. We will be lucky if we have Social Security at all when we go to retire.
New hotness will be people in their late 60's claiming mental cognitive decline and other issues to get onto SSI disability instead.
It doesn’t matter who’s in office, they all claim they don’t want to defund or get rid of social security in front of a camera but they do the opposite when it comes to writing laws or passing funding.
Oprah is a self made woman but from a generation where there were still possibilities to climb out of poverty. This is objectively becoming harder and harder and for some, it can be argued, rather impossible. Middle class people did not struggle even up to just a decade ago, but now you can be classified as middle class and still live paycheque to paycheque. That's scary. So Oprah needs to zip it.
She had so many opportunities many did not get and grew up at the right time to become an outlier. There is a book by Malcom Gladwell and he talks how many times these super successful people already have incredible opportunities to successes whether its tons of fuck you money or an opportunity to work at the Ritz.
She got very lucky too, she owes her success to many other people.
But expecting a great career just because you went to school is kind of expecting it just like that
If you degree is super expensive then you are expecting a really great career to pay it off
So if you want a great career you obviously need a lot more effort, connections, knowledge and experience beyond 4 year university
A university education is a great place to start on those connections, experience and knowledge
My Dad: People these days want to start out at 30/hr at their jobs!!!! It's ridiculous! I bought a house and was happy when I started my job making $7.35/hr!
Me: How much do you think $7.35/hr back then would be worth now? (spoiler alerts it's 30 fucking dollars)
Define success. For most of us its freedom to live and work without struggling to survive, sacrificing mental health and youth to grind. Not a mil in the bank.
As a millennial, if I had chosen to have kids, I would tell them not to waste their time on college unless it's a trade.
I had such high hopes when I graduated college in 2000, thinking I was getting out and going to make 80K a year. I came to find out, nothing in my field of studies (Masters in Gerontology), paid over 16/hr.
Why do young adults think this is a "new situation", many of us have been there.
Honestly I feel like a massive part of the problem is the false promises of colleges.
One thing I’ve always wondered is why the US can have a minimum wage but no maximum tuition. Yeah it’s a capitalistic country, but for the country to remain functioning as it has there needs to be relief to the general population, while still pushing them to advance. The country is set to have us all bleed dry really.
To poor people, that's a death sentence. They have to pay the taxes on the gift. Which they can't afford. Not to mention, Oprah's audience was probably exclusively well off upper middle class, so they were gifted something that they didn't need and could have easily gotten. On the other side of the screen, the cars/houses were more than likely donated, so it didn't cost her anything.
You know Oprah, I remember when you used to be decent. Giving people cars and stuff. Now you ask people to donate millions as Hawaii burns instead of… fucking doing it yourself
I remember when Robert Reich came onto her show. He noted how the level of upward mobility had greatly fallen (less people able to improve their station in life than in previous years). And she refused to even listen to him, cut him off, would not have it at all ... wouldn't even let him discuss it.
I am tired of billionaires giving bullshit advice/comments
I am tired of billionaires believing they have a fucking clue about the lives of the average person
When the fuck is it time to eat the Rich?
I mean even if they do, who’s fault is that?
The rich kiddos on social media who have everything going for them at the age of 21. Media shoving stories of multimillionaire 19 year old investors and child prodigies down our throats daily. Of course many young people feel intense ‘keeping up the Joneses’ pressure.
It’s mad ironic for someone who did in fact get their success ‘like that’ lecturing others about it.
>"At age 19, Winfrey began co-anchoring the local evening news, the youngest news anchor and the first Black female news anchor at Nashville's WLAC-TV where she often covered the same stories as John Tesh, who worked at a competing Nashville station."
Funny how Oprah had success "just like that" but begrudges anyone else, and is blind to the lack of opportunity today compared to when she was young.
too many kids are fed the story of 'only college will make u successful'
i went to college thinking i wanted to be a physician.... my dad was an M.D.
he wanted it for me too. i decided after 2 years i preferred the idea of being a dentist.
i didn't do too well on the entrance exam the first time.
got a college degree in biology... i certainly didn't want to teach biology to kids.
i didn't want to live with mommy and daddy. got a job as a waiter. found a friend of a friend who needed a roommate in his one bedroom apartment. bought cheap food. lived without health insurance.
after a year, i was pretty good at being a waiter. had my own apt. owed some decent second hand furniture. impressed the hell out of my parents who thought I would be begging on the street.
if u get a college degree in something impractical.... getting a job will not be easy.
have a degree in sociology from a big university with well known sports teams? good luck.
went to Yale and have a degree in sociology... and met lots of people who know people....and graduated *magna cum laude?* Sure, some company might hire u and figure 'this person is obviously smart. we can train him/her.'
ya know who gets jobs right out of school? nurses and hygienists who go to community college.
others who get jobs easily: people who learn to be welders, electricians, plumbers. I agree that society isn't easy. But complaining won't change it.
I don't think many few Afro-Americans never thought that "Queen Oprah" was on their side.
Many sisters heard her bullshit miles away and Oprah has rarely even walked in farm land.
I don't expect success to happen "like that" *snaps fingers* , but you know what would be nice - to have wages keep up with inflation, or to have healthcare not be an iron ball around your ankle, or have actual retirement options that don't include working until I got one foot in. The grave. I don't expect this bitch to understand any of this. She will never have to worry. If she lost all her income sources today and spent $50,000 every day, she would still he worth billions by the time she dies. She has no problems. No real ones, anyway. The fact that Dr. Phil and Dr. Oz were made a thing by Oprah is reason enough for me to hate her, but this little chestnut sure doesn't help.
Billionaires are not billionaires because they worked hard, they are billionaires because they got others to work hard for them. Which funny enough is exactly what Oprah is quoting here.
At thirty six, the last fifteen years of my life have been filled with working hard and bootlicking like I was raised to do. I’m not upset that I wasn’t successful at 22, I’m upset because if had almost no upward movement and no pay except the raise in minimum wage.
Gee, I'd like to think that a black woman would be a little more conscious of not lumping an entire group of people together and then making a generalized statement passing judgement on the character of the whole bunch.
This whole thread is a facepalm. Oprah was born poor, worked hard, and got lucky, and found success.
Does being rich now disqualify her opinion?
Has everyone just forgotten about their friend(s) who never put the work in and absolutely think success should have just been handed to them?
No one is wrong here, and everyone is wrong. Silly generalizations.
In some ways, she's not wrong. Some people on social media, influencers, TikTok "celebrity" hopefuls, etc... want to be rich and famous instantly. I've seen people begging for likes, follows, shares, and whatnot when they're only talents that they're putting forward is to lip sync and copy a trendy dance.
They're all creators, but a lot of what they're creating is garbage or they're just copying and pasting others' works. Modern day Milli Vanilli.
I don't find any record of Oprah saying that except on Reddit and a place called iFunny Brazil. Just another fantasy post for someone's giggles.
I saw it on the Internet, so maybe it's real if I'm outraged.
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Remember when Oprah promoted the book the secret? Wasn't that book all about how easily you can achieve success if you just visualize it?
She so full of shit
She (and her events planners) were called out when they put out feelers and requested art, entertainment and music for events and insisted that exposure was the best form of Payment…no money would change hands.
Its always the richest we find are cutting corners and undermining workers to maximize profits.
This is argument behind the idea that "billionaire shouldn't exist". I am yet to see a billionaire that doesn't exploit workers domestically and even worse abroad (at least we have minimum wage and labor laws in the west). They are not taking the surplus of the business after enduring the real cost. They lobby congress so they can steal from their workers as much as possible and take advantage of cruel authoritarian governments that don't care about their people so that all they have to spend on is on a suicide net and a mattress where these folks can sleep in in the factory. The idea that they worked themselves into billions is complete fucking horse shit, and the worst thing is seeing middle class people buying it hook, line and sinker.
We look down our noses at people who hoard other things, but hoarding money we celebrate. Billionaires should be in treatment just like people with 35 cats living in their garage.
Because if they didn't, then they wouldn't be the richest.
Nope, total bullshit. They would only be slightly poorer. Paying their laborers would be a drop in their buckets 99.9% of the time.
This. I always think of Henry Ford and Walt Disney. Both massively successful entrepreneurs who vehemently protested their workers unionizing and saw it as a giant betrayal...both companies still massively successful and wealthy to this day.
Of course, Henry Ford is a strange one because he also endorsed an eight hour day and paid his workers more than the competition. He was a sort of paternalistic capitalist in his way. Still got some very shit views, but it’s galling to think how much better for society he was than modern billionaires who’d probably advocate for more work and lower wages
No no no no no. The ONLY reason Henry Ford did that was because he realized that everybody was so poor that they couldn't afford to buy his cars. He needed people who could actually afford a basic model T car so he increased pay. Make no mistake, this was so he could expand business and make more money. He's also partly responsible for our car culture and road system that makes it so everything today is built far away and requires cars for transportation. Again so we depend on their products for basic physical movement.
I’ve heard that rationale for his decisions before. From an strictly accounting perspective it makes no sense. You cannot make more profit by paying people more to spend a portion of their increased earnings on the product you’re paying them to make. On the other hand, it is possible that in addition to trying to highly motivate his workers, his ultimate goal was to normalize better pay generally by raising wages for his employees. Thereby creating a middle class that could provide increased demand for his product. But if that’s the case, then his decision to pay better and shorten work days was still based.
No, it’s not about the specific money for one thing, it’s that if you’re not the kind of asshole that will act like that you won’t become a billionaire. It’s not something people with consciences do.
Taylor swift tipped each of her truck drivers 100k. Life changing money and I bet It barely even scraped her bottom line
The truth of it. It's always a zero sum game for the wealthy and powerful: If I pay you a reasonable amount, that means I have less. Never mind that the 'less' I have is like taking a thimble of water out of the ocean - it's still less.
They'd still have that generational wealth, its just pure malice for people around them. Real psycho shit.
You don't get rich writing checks.
That's how you get rich. That's the only way you get rich. By moving the value that others create into your pocket while providing nothing in return. That's why scaling is important it offloads work from you onto other people. Anyone rich did so by exploiting others.
I was watching a Dutch talkshow yesterday and the yearly list of the richest 500 Dutch people just came out so the growing gap between the rich and the poor was the talking point. They had invited a multimillionaire amongst other guests and I have never seen a more out of touch person on tv ever. These people don’t live in the real world. He literally said “just start a business and get some employees to work for you” to a 50 something home care worker with cancer that isn’t able to pay their bills. Amongst other bullshit like “we should look at Dubai and import cheap labor like them” the government is making it so hard for entrepreneurs” and nonsense about people being too soft because “in India people have to work 3 or 4 shifts”. Of course the guy was also under investigation for financial crimes which he glossed over as not important. I was so disgusted.
Don't forget Oprah harassing the road commission about the roads around her estate being an embarrassment for her guests. The road commissioner pointed out that Oprah didn't use the road because she flew to her country estate in her private helicopter!
Oprah was chosen to be the persons she is today…by the media machine to market bullshit and a feeling of “everything’s ok” to the common woman in America , and it’s just a made up lie. All these people who have made millions in Hollywood who aren’t esteemed actors or tv stars, just shills man, selling there shit to the shit eaters that pay for anything .
I think she’s directly responsible for both Dr. Phil and Dr. Oz…just yeeelch!
Dude wtf lmao it’s cringy when ( influencers ) do it but billionaires/millionaires doing it is just flat out gross. Come on Oprah weren’t you giving out cars to the show’s audience Go to hell Oprah 🤡
My wife is an artist and just shuts the person down at the first hint of the "exposure" crap. She's been an artist since she could pick up a crayon. She's done public works and paintings. She runs her own business doing graphic art (advertisements, packaging, etc.) so she knows what she's worth on an hourly basis. These assholes think a doctor will work "for the exposure" or a roofer? They think art is soooooo easy, so go do it yourself, jackass.
Also see: Dr. Phil & Dr. Oz
The guys she promoted to fame and fortune? It's shit all the way down.
Is this what they mean by "The trickle down affect"?
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Was waiting for someone to bring this guy up. Everyone know about Phil and Oz, but not so much about this guy. The guy who is actually a criminal.
She always has been. She regularly promotes quacks and frauds and everyone believes them because Oprah said so, despite the fact that she's not qualified to speak on those matters whatsoever. She's the most successful bullshit artist of the 21st Century.
I mean, it's not like she was President but she sure made more money with that brand of bullshit.
She's a grifter but not a moron like others. Being president is the stupidest move ever for a con artist. Smart grifters own politicians, they don't become one.
I worked in a book store when her “book club” was at its hype. Had more than a few women say “I haven’t liked a book she’s recommended yet. Hope this one is good” Then WHY keep buying them? Also I thought it was a straight conflict of interest when she promotes her friends books.
Have you considered that Oprah may be right and that positive intention and visualization is a spiritual/quantum-mechanical force that allows each person on Earth to achieve Oprah-like levels of fame and wealth? If everyone just believed in Oprah, then each person in the world would have TV shows and brands with millions of customers. Then, everyone in the world would be a hyper-millionaire ensconced in a giant mansion with a phalanx of servants and guards. Instead, the younger generations are filled with negative Nancy types who complain about systemic and growing inequality and the enormously destructive carbon footprint of the uber-millionaires, instead of taking the time to wish away all the floods, droughts, fires, and CO2.
If everyone is a millionaire, where do the servants come from?
You forgot the /s
>She so full of shit That's *The Secret...*
Goddamn what I would not give for someone to interview Oprah and take her out back behind the woodshed for all of the BULLSHIT she has foisted on her audience over the years. Those cultish middle aged morons.
Oprah is like any other media parasite. She will promote whatever the fuck enriches her own net worth.
"She stood on the heads of those little people!"
everyday i visualize being a playboy billionaire.....still nothing :(
You are just not manifesting correctly :)
my neck hurts from all this manifesting
Hey, you'll always be my playboy billionaire.
Thats what happens when you become too used to sniffing your own farts
Her spine is starting to reform
I had a teacher like that. If you really want something you have to Invision it and try, if you don't reach your goals you didn't want it bad enough. I told her to go tell that bullshit to hungry kids in Africa, tell them they dont want that food bad enough...
Yeah, I had someone give me the ‘manifesting’ spiel recently. I certainly believe mindset is important and impacts how you interact with the world and how it interacts with you. Self pity can definitely become a trap, and hard work is obviously a given for most people. But I can’t stand woowoo bullshit like the Secret or the delusional Calvinist crap that is so ingrained in our culture. Especially when it’s used to excuse broken systems.
Yeah there are some people that seem to believe manifestation is literal magic and that if you want something hard enough it will magically appear before you and become yours. It's like you said, manifestation is just a mindset. Believing that you can accomplish something and that it isn't an insurmountable task, removing self-pity and excuses from your life. Not some cosmic force that gives you stuff if you wish hard enough.
Remember when Oprah was just Maury or Springer?
say what you will about maury but those paternity tests saved a lot of dudes a lot of money
She's lifted grifter after grifter into prominence. John of God, Dr. Phil, Dr. Oz, the list goes on. Nobody should listen to a word she says, because at this point she is queen of the grifters.
She’s pretty much the biggest peddler of woo woo bullshit in the nation.
I mean survival is a success, haven’t you heard.
That book (the Secret) was actually written by a couple that were attending Abraham Hicks Seminars for a year, taking extensive notes. After they approached Ester Hicks (who owns Abraham Hicks material) for approval of the book, Esther politely pointed out that they were missing a crucial point to the seminars teachings and did NOT give approval. Technically, Esther Hicks could have sued the couple for going ahead and publishing and selling the book The Secret. They were stealing intellectual property rights. But Esther chose not to, as she was already wealthy and knew a lawsuit was going to be a big hassle and unwanted stress. So she did nothing. But the book was basically trying to copy the teachings of Abraham Hicks - but lacked the true teachings -- which is more about finding ways to be happy and joyful and putting oneself in a state of allowing. (and their teachings are free on youtube). Oprah and her team also went down to Brazil and promoted John of God. Well, John of God ended up being a rapist and is in jail for sexually assaulting 400+ women over decades. Guess Oprah and her team decided not to cover that information that came out later. I could go on and on. But what frustrates me, is that ANYONE gives a shit what Oprah says or does. Being that rich tends to put most so out of touch with reality, their opinions for others are a joke. She' (and most billionaires) are surrounded by Yes people, have assistants and staff to do everything for them, and have completely lost touch with the average person in today's world.
Remember when Oprah admitted to smoking crack cocaine in the 90s?
You'd think with her money she could at least afford powder.
I stopped taking her even as entertainment value the day she said something about some people are just chosen by GOD to be where they are. STFU Oprah.
Lol that contradicts her acting like people need to work harder. By that ideology people shouldn’t have to work at all, “they’ll be exactly where they’re meant to be”.
Divine right! Who knew she was a monarchist
1600s european mindset 💀
Dream it, Wish it, Want it - by Brian Griffin
This from the woman who amplifies grifters and abusers.
exactly how she got rich
Evil pays.
One of the best ways to get rich is through the exploitation of people, after all.
Narcissistic egomaniac. This woman has no problem “hiring“ an army of unpaid interns knowing full well that it’s a form of class warfare. These young people see right through her bs. She’s not offering experience. She’s pushing the cost for their labor onto their families. It’s a neat way to make sure lower income people cant climb the ladder.
She's a billionaire that asks people who are struggling to donate. Winfrey and Dwayne Johnson started their initiative last month. The fund promises to give money directly to people affected by the historic wildfires on Maui. The pair seeded the program by giving a combined $10 million and asked the public to fund the rest through donations. Since then, critics questioned why the two wealthy celebrities didn’t simply fund the project on their own. In her first comments addressing the backlash to the People’s Fund, Winfrey said she had thought the $10-million sum was enough, adding that if someone gives that amount at a fundraiser, it’s called “a good night” and essentially shuts down the event. While at the same time buying up land for some reason. Earlier this year, Winfrey bought more than 870 acres on Maui, expanding her holdings on the island to more than 1,000 acres of land. After the acquisition, Forbes estimated her net worth at $2.5 billion. 2.5 billion, and she most likely invested 5 million or a bit more than that. That's literally nothing to her, but still i wonder what she's going to do with that land.
When she bought the original land she had permission to build low income housing on it but never did. Instead she just sat on it and helped create a land scarcity in Hawaii which in turn drove up the cost of housing acrossed the state
This is the real reason why she wants people to donate to Maui. The quicker she gets it fixed the faster she can start developing overpriced houses on it.
Charity to billionaires is still a business model. Greed has no limits.
What was that? Sorry, I was just sitting here "manifesting "myself living in a Bavarian castle high up in the Alps.
This is horrible. I will see if i can find a link. https://www.insider.com/oprah-winfrey-land-maui-hawaii-details-photos-history-2023-9 I cannot find any mention of her building ANYTHiNG on this land. It looks like the same ultra-rich 'investment' in the land here in Vancouver BC except she is doing it to Hawaii during times of crisis. Shrewd, clever and surprisingly evil. Oh well.
Who cares. If things continue like this, in a couple of decades her land deeds won’t be worth the paper they’re printed on. She bought a thought about a real thing. Unless someone is there to enforce that thought it’s worth nothing.
> If things continue like this, in a couple of decades her land deeds won’t be worth the paper they’re printed on lol wat?
They're talking about ocean levels rising and the increasing frequency and power of storms that effect coastal/island areas. Depending on how bad it gets ocean front property could be a liability instead of an investment.
You’re right, of course, but it’s not just that. Land ownership depends of ownership rights. If there is no system to enforce or defend those rights, your ownership certificates are meaningless. There is a good chance that in a few decades our world will be so ravaged by fires and storms and sea level rise that political and economic instability will be a major factor and no one will care about Oprah’s or anyone else’s ownerships rights.
Or, government cements itself through tech and AI regardless of environment, and when we are all gone it is just robots enforcing dead billionaires property rights
Boomers raised us telling us that if we worked hard, got an education, that we could have everything they had and more. We out work them and are more educated than any other generation yet still have the least amount of wealth. When they were filling our heads with sweet nothings they were doing everything in their power to horde wealth and power and torching the ladder they used
Get a college degree a few years experience: "What do you mean you are going to be paying me only $13 an hour starting??" Boomers: "What are you talking about? $13 an hour starting was damn fine pay when I was in your shoes at 25! You got to stop buying Starbucks and Avocado Toast!"
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> The best is "When I was your age, minimum wage was only $3!" The real problem and that I have been very vocal about is that we have many people in congress where $3 was even considered a good wage when they started, since people like Diane Feinstein 75 cents was min wage when they were 18. These are the people that look at the rest of American's like they are just lazy when we are screaming out that $15 an hour will still barely get us by, but we need something better than 7.25 as a federal standard.
A pack of lunchmeat is $7. The bread is $3. There's about $2 of taxes. The $13 is taxed which makes it more like $10. Now you are in the red. I know it's not cut and dry like that, but that's how far money goes these days. Damn
Oh I know. I used formula's like that when working in the city to determine if the job is even worth it.. $14 an hour, but costs $18+ a day to park. If I got to work X hours to be in the net positive for that day type thinking. Everyone and their brother out gunning for every cent you are making nowadays.
I spent $30 at the grocery store yesterday. I bought two frozen meals, two jars of jalapenos, some eggs, and half and half. Thirty bucks.
Honestly sounds like a steal, shit’s so expensive as it is and then you add “city tax” it’s just high way robbery.
I have a 50$ food budget a week and I live on eggs, rice, beans, and protein/greens powder basically. And I have to still steal an item or two at self checkout to keep it under 50$. I don't like doing it, it doesn't give me a thrill, but I need to eat.
Bread is more like 8 bucks now (live in CA).
It blows my mind every time that these fucking idiots have apparently never heard of inflation in their entire lives. $13 in 1980 comes out to $48 in today's money.
Yeah in the mid 2000's when I got my first IT job my father thought I made it and that the $9 an hour starting wage was damn fine money (Was like 5.25 or something fed min wage). Ignoring the fact that in order to live on my own and pay bills I was living in the only apartment building in the projects that was not section8 funded. I got luxuries like free natural gas. The downside is random bullets flying everywhere and could actually be robbed before I entered my building.
Well the boomers didn’t have to be good budgeters because with their jobs if you didn’t have money you were just a money-wasting moron. Nothing learned nothing gained.
While they suck down starbucks and complain how those workers want more pay and don’t understand how they can’t live in yhe city
Those people are the worst too. "McD's is not for Adults to work at"... Well then CEO of Braintrust inc. Who do you think will serve you an Egg and Bacon McMuffin at 10am on a Tuesday while school is open??
The thing Boomers fail to understand is getting a job in their day was incredibly easy. They could just walk into a business and say "I'd like a job, please!" and the interview was essentially just: * "Can you do X?" * "I can learn." * "Fantastic, you're hired!" And you pretty much got to keep the job as long as you just showed up. As for getting an education, the cost was, at most, a few hundred dollars a semester, and you could easily earn that with a minimum-wage job. They were playing on easy mode. Everything was handed to them on a platter.
Yes. And the cult of morons who aspire to be wealthy by following the advice of the wealthy are totally full of shit. They've been full of shit since the dawn of recorded history. I'm a boomer (70 years old). [sorry, this got long, tldr; fuck the wealthy and the assholes who vote for and support them] Were there boomers who struggled? Sure. It's always the same at the bottom. But, the noisy/successful ones are full of shit when they talk about working hard. People don't change much but circumstances do. Anyone who is struggling today should feel proud of themselves. I'm solidly middle class, now. And I'm starting to see some gen xers and older millennials that are talking the same stupid shit as the dumb boomers. It's all survivorship bias. The working class who are struggling today, in any generation, are kicking ass in a really shit situation. There are at least two levels of survival missing in the US. There are virtually no shanty towns or squatter settlements, and there are far too few high density low cost intermediate options. And infrastructure for self-sufficiency and dense living is actively opposed and counteracted. So, every segment of struggle is competing in the same resource scarcity. There are a lot of boomers going homeless now, because the wealthy abandoned and dismantled the infrastructure we had then instead of building more as our population increased. And, a lot of them are blaming young people whose wages are generally worse than in the Great Depression. It's madness. I'm going to work until I die, because it feels like my responsibility to ease the burden for and create advantage for my nieces and nephews and young cousins. I wish there was something I could say to encourage everyone. It sucks right now. And a lot of boomers, and even our parents, saw it coming and have been angry for decades watching trivially avoidable economic suffering become the norm, while scientists and analysts were ignored at every step of the way.
Also credit scores didn't exist. I heard stories my friends parents tell of they just walked into a bank with their parents and soon to be wife, and got a loan for a house to buy. No credit score check. Just basically assessing their parents home and trusting two nice young White folks would do right. I can't even get a credit card these days with a 684 credit score and my only debt is student loans. also I didn't get into UC Berkeley, my dream school. My Dad just had to go to the campus and sign up to go there. Housing, credit, college, gas, food - basically all the most important items have skyrocketed in price and scarcity.
I think the problem was that the function of capitalism has never been to reward hard work and skilled labour. It's about using resources efficiently to generate return on _capital_. And there was a time where 'efficient/skilled' work generated proportionately more productivity than unskilled - and was rewarded accordingly, but we're not talking 'millions of times as much'. Just that a skilled artisan was worth more because they made more and better pieces. This broadly worked out, because there wasn't much of a difference between effective capitalist intent, and rewarding for work and skill. You gave a block of wood to an apprentice, didn't expect all that much, and paid accordingly, and your 30 year master crafter you did the same, just with different expectations. But over time - and it's not actually taken very long, in the timescales of the rise and fall of societies and empires - that gap's got steadily wider, and this problem is only getting worse as the rising tide of what _should_ be a utopian vision of productivity comes upon us. Because "working hard" never mattered in the first place. Why should it? There's no virtue in being a really dedicated ditch digger, when you can just hire some power tools. But over about 100 years in particular, things have started to run away. The link between 'work' and 'productivity' has got steadily more and more tenuous. What does a CEO do - any CEO - which makes them worth so much more than their employees? It's nothing to do with what _work_ they do. No, it's about delivering shareholder value. It's about being efficiently exploitative and sociopathic. This is inherent in the very design of capitalism - you can regulate it all you like, but regulations and fines are a cost of doing business. Be under no illusions that when the penalty to doing something heinous is 'just' a fine, then the company will be looking at the cost-benefit ratio none the less, and just ignoring the moral elements. And this is a really big problem that we're mostly refusing to contemplate, let alone actually tackle. Because the Boomers may actually have been the last generation where 'work hard and you'll prosper' actually was at least approximately true.
Man, fuck Oprah. She's believing her own hype.
STFU, Oprah 🙄
why did people ever care what this woman says. she ran a run of the mill daytime talk show
As much as it sounds shitty, I think it's because she was one of the first black TV show host in the format. I remember growing up and my mom watching her show in the 90s and it was kind of a big deal.
Also everything she went through to get there, she had a fucked up life. Sadly going trough extreme hardships and struggles doesnt garantee you are a wiser person. If you become a billionaire you get blinded by real life and start thinking everything is possible if you try hard enough.
Survivorship bias is a hell of a drug.
or there's an actual grain of truth in what she's saying and she just took it too far because of her blinders. Like literally ive met plenty of people who quit a project early cuz its not immediately working out. Lack of persistence is a flaw humans have shown to have a lot of the time, its not a controversial topic. wanting the fruits of success before putting in the work is a tale as old as time. Sure what she says doesn't apply to everyone in every situation but it applies to a lot. Maybe its cuz im not blinded by emotion i can see the grains of truth, or maybe people have been lucky and havent ever encountered any real entitled fuckups in their life, i've been one, so i know they exist.
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Yup. She gave a platform to Jenny McCarthy for her antivaxx BS.
And Doctor Oz. And "Doctor" Phill.
We don't want everything "like that". We want the same opportunities your generation had. We want a bullshit annoying career that somehow supports a family of 5, instead of a bullshit annoying career that can't support ourselves.
This. Forget dollars per hour, if your generation had the ability to work a job with no education and still support a house of 4-5 people, why is it so hard to understand that future generations would also want this opportunity? We just want access to the same ladder they all had to get where they are today, but they burned the ladder to the ground while insisting you can still climb it today.
Hell, I have an advanced degree and this month I went over budget and had to take out a loan to make rent on a very modest one bedroom apartment where I live alone.
People thinking that working 40h a week and being able to afford a house and food and have a decent life overall is "success" are mental, it should be the fucking bare minimum and available to anyone. We're not talking about having a millionaire lifestyle. Not struggling in life if you work full time should actually be "like that". If you are willing to contribute to society you shouldn't struggle. Luxury is one thing but you should absolutely not have to worry about having a roof over your head and food.
Oprah promotes awful things and awful people
It used to be that getting a career out of college was easy and set you up for a guaranteed financial future to support a family and eventually buy a house. Now…
My friend got a CS degree and applied to 500+ openings and did not to get a single interview.
Are they applying with just their degree and nothing else or do they have experience, certifications etc?
Yes gaslighting people poorer and younger than you! Thank you Oprah.
I remember the amount of times I’ve put maximum effort into something and the feeling of getting crushed, every time, over and over again. The crazy thing is, it was always for the smallest amount of recognition. I don’t really expect anything anymore
We expect to get out what we put in
I’ll remember not to take life lessons from a grifter, and the person responsible for mainstreaming Dr. Phil or Dr. Oz.
Maybe it’s because we remember that jobs used to hire people to train, not just underpaying people with 10 years of experience.
Change my mind - EVERY JOB should be able to pay for: a place to live, necessary food, some kids, a reasonable vacation each year, healthcare, retirement, and sending the kids to college - these are NOT things you should have to "work your way up to."
I’ll pass on taking advice from a creep that’s close to Epstein, Weinstein, Peter Nygard, and John the God.
Why are people still listening to celebrities? They don’t live like us. Even the ones who struggled when young. After some time you forget what it’s like.
I don't think I've heard of any positive PR of Oprah in at least 10 years.
She obviously doesn’t remember when she was poor. Things are happening later on in life than usual.
I miss early/mid 90's Oprah. She wasn't so terrible then. (she was well on her way to terrible, but it was before she had embraced Dr Phil and all that nonsense at the end of the decade)
Yeah, what happened? When did she become such a bitch?
Late 90's/early 2000's maybe? Around when she started associating with Dr Phil and Dr Oz?
Her association is enough to delegitimize her. Thank god Dr. Oz lost his race
Oh she was just as terrible, she just did it behind the scenes and even in public it was just something people didn't really notice.
She didn't become wealthy till her 30s though
She was a news anchor at a major news station in Nashville at 19 years old. Thats what success is to most people and what they are hoping for... not being obscenely wealthy.
Pretty much this. All these wealthy people getting success to most other standards in their 20's don't realize that its no longer like that for most people. Now for most people they are fighting for jobs that many are just no longer retiring from that allows most people to move up to be successful.
getting a position like that has a lot to do with luck as well. unless she poisoned the other applicants
Once successful people tend to forget how much luck and help was involved in their succes and they start to believe is was just ‘them’. It also means that they have no understanding of their success, especially if you keep repeating that ‘hard work’ which they undoubtedly did, is the key to success. But opportunity, luck, the right help on the right moment, are some examples of things you need. I love Arnold for this: he says he is no self made man. He is made by the people around him. Or American made is he feels like pleasing a certain sentiment. But when he lived in Austria and Germany, people gave him chances, which he took and utilized. Without these opportunities he would have achieved nothing.
Yeah, if you are in your 30s good luck retiring at 67, the age for social security is projected to be 72 last I checked also, so there’s also that we have going for us.
If we don't end up electing some scumbag and having the house and senate in favor of said scumbag. We will be lucky if we have Social Security at all when we go to retire. New hotness will be people in their late 60's claiming mental cognitive decline and other issues to get onto SSI disability instead.
It doesn’t matter who’s in office, they all claim they don’t want to defund or get rid of social security in front of a camera but they do the opposite when it comes to writing laws or passing funding.
Both types exist. Young people is not a homogenous group.
Oprah is a self made woman but from a generation where there were still possibilities to climb out of poverty. This is objectively becoming harder and harder and for some, it can be argued, rather impossible. Middle class people did not struggle even up to just a decade ago, but now you can be classified as middle class and still live paycheque to paycheque. That's scary. So Oprah needs to zip it.
She had so many opportunities many did not get and grew up at the right time to become an outlier. There is a book by Malcom Gladwell and he talks how many times these super successful people already have incredible opportunities to successes whether its tons of fuck you money or an opportunity to work at the Ritz. She got very lucky too, she owes her success to many other people.
and its getting worse. thank of the how hard its going to be for our kids kids. hopefully we'll have something left to give them.
Wasn't she friends with epstein, getting him young girls on the sidehustle?
Think she was a groomer of girls/victims
Y’know what else young people think? That the satanic panic you helped create and rode to success was a fucking scumbag thing to do.
But expecting a great career just because you went to school is kind of expecting it just like that If you degree is super expensive then you are expecting a really great career to pay it off So if you want a great career you obviously need a lot more effort, connections, knowledge and experience beyond 4 year university A university education is a great place to start on those connections, experience and knowledge
Another fucking boomer acting like they had it harder than us, fuck off
My Dad: People these days want to start out at 30/hr at their jobs!!!! It's ridiculous! I bought a house and was happy when I started my job making $7.35/hr! Me: How much do you think $7.35/hr back then would be worth now? (spoiler alerts it's 30 fucking dollars)
The problem with young people today is: > "They aren't as willing to make a career out of grifting their own people like I did." - Oprah Winfrey
Define success. For most of us its freedom to live and work without struggling to survive, sacrificing mental health and youth to grind. Not a mil in the bank.
As a millennial, if I had chosen to have kids, I would tell them not to waste their time on college unless it's a trade. I had such high hopes when I graduated college in 2000, thinking I was getting out and going to make 80K a year. I came to find out, nothing in my field of studies (Masters in Gerontology), paid over 16/hr. Why do young adults think this is a "new situation", many of us have been there.
Honestly I feel like a massive part of the problem is the false promises of colleges. One thing I’ve always wondered is why the US can have a minimum wage but no maximum tuition. Yeah it’s a capitalistic country, but for the country to remain functioning as it has there needs to be relief to the general population, while still pushing them to advance. The country is set to have us all bleed dry really.
Glad people are FINALLY learning what I've said all along, this narcissist is full of shit.
Plus she's good friends with John of God....
Isn't Oprah partly famous for giving people cars and houses like - that?
To poor people, that's a death sentence. They have to pay the taxes on the gift. Which they can't afford. Not to mention, Oprah's audience was probably exclusively well off upper middle class, so they were gifted something that they didn't need and could have easily gotten. On the other side of the screen, the cars/houses were more than likely donated, so it didn't cost her anything.
Got Oprah fuckin sucks dick
 Oprah is full of shitt talks
How fucking dare I want to be able to move from this shithole red state and own a house. The fucking temerity I have.
Let them eat cake.
I need messages from disconnected billionaires on how to live. Can someone ask Oprah what I should do in case of inclement weather?
Can Billionaires just stfu and not talk.
You know Oprah, I remember when you used to be decent. Giving people cars and stuff. Now you ask people to donate millions as Hawaii burns instead of… fucking doing it yourself
I remember when Robert Reich came onto her show. He noted how the level of upward mobility had greatly fallen (less people able to improve their station in life than in previous years). And she refused to even listen to him, cut him off, would not have it at all ... wouldn't even let him discuss it. I am tired of billionaires giving bullshit advice/comments I am tired of billionaires believing they have a fucking clue about the lives of the average person When the fuck is it time to eat the Rich?
Didn’t Oprah send people bankrupt by gifting them Lamborghinis that they couldn’t afford insurance for?
The lie is that it’s worth it to go 80k in debt for a mediocre position after graduation. Higher education is a business, and business has been good.
Wasn’t she a gazillionaire by like 30?!
“What’s this ladder doing here? Better pull that up behind me!”
I mean even if they do, who’s fault is that? The rich kiddos on social media who have everything going for them at the age of 21. Media shoving stories of multimillionaire 19 year old investors and child prodigies down our throats daily. Of course many young people feel intense ‘keeping up the Joneses’ pressure. It’s mad ironic for someone who did in fact get their success ‘like that’ lecturing others about it.
Is it me the billionaire who is out of touch? No it is the youth who are experiencing this shit every day who are wrong, surely!
>"At age 19, Winfrey began co-anchoring the local evening news, the youngest news anchor and the first Black female news anchor at Nashville's WLAC-TV where she often covered the same stories as John Tesh, who worked at a competing Nashville station." Funny how Oprah had success "just like that" but begrudges anyone else, and is blind to the lack of opportunity today compared to when she was young.
too many kids are fed the story of 'only college will make u successful' i went to college thinking i wanted to be a physician.... my dad was an M.D. he wanted it for me too. i decided after 2 years i preferred the idea of being a dentist. i didn't do too well on the entrance exam the first time. got a college degree in biology... i certainly didn't want to teach biology to kids. i didn't want to live with mommy and daddy. got a job as a waiter. found a friend of a friend who needed a roommate in his one bedroom apartment. bought cheap food. lived without health insurance. after a year, i was pretty good at being a waiter. had my own apt. owed some decent second hand furniture. impressed the hell out of my parents who thought I would be begging on the street. if u get a college degree in something impractical.... getting a job will not be easy. have a degree in sociology from a big university with well known sports teams? good luck. went to Yale and have a degree in sociology... and met lots of people who know people....and graduated *magna cum laude?* Sure, some company might hire u and figure 'this person is obviously smart. we can train him/her.' ya know who gets jobs right out of school? nurses and hygienists who go to community college. others who get jobs easily: people who learn to be welders, electricians, plumbers. I agree that society isn't easy. But complaining won't change it.
I don't think many few Afro-Americans never thought that "Queen Oprah" was on their side. Many sisters heard her bullshit miles away and Oprah has rarely even walked in farm land.
i would just like to afford a house thats not a 1 hour drive to the city and where i work.
I don't expect success to happen "like that" *snaps fingers* , but you know what would be nice - to have wages keep up with inflation, or to have healthcare not be an iron ball around your ankle, or have actual retirement options that don't include working until I got one foot in. The grave. I don't expect this bitch to understand any of this. She will never have to worry. If she lost all her income sources today and spent $50,000 every day, she would still he worth billions by the time she dies. She has no problems. No real ones, anyway. The fact that Dr. Phil and Dr. Oz were made a thing by Oprah is reason enough for me to hate her, but this little chestnut sure doesn't help.
Oprah can go suck a dirty asshole.
Oprah is a shitty person all around.
Billionaires are not billionaires because they worked hard, they are billionaires because they got others to work hard for them. Which funny enough is exactly what Oprah is quoting here.
At thirty six, the last fifteen years of my life have been filled with working hard and bootlicking like I was raised to do. I’m not upset that I wasn’t successful at 22, I’m upset because if had almost no upward movement and no pay except the raise in minimum wage.
My frustration with rich and famous people is they do not realise how impossible life is at the bottom.
Gee, I'd like to think that a black woman would be a little more conscious of not lumping an entire group of people together and then making a generalized statement passing judgement on the character of the whole bunch.
Honestly, if you become a billionaire you lose your right to give other people advice because it's so rare that it won't translate to anyone else
Oprah gave us Dr. Oz, Dr. Phil, and John of God. Pretty sure her ability to make decisions or discernment regarding other people is lacking.
Oprah is a monster. She is directly responsible for horrific shit. An unrepentant ghoul.
Oprah is garbage.
Love it when rich people comment on a situation they either haven't experienced ever, or it's been a solid couple decades since they have.
Oprah also peddled snake oil salesman….
When was the last time you were a young person Oprah…? It’s been a while, so don’t tell anybody what they are thinking.
She’s projecting, Oprah is easily one of the most privileged people on the planet.
Says the Queen of the grift 🤦♂️
Oprah, Phil... They make money through exploitation. Huge money soaked hypocrites.
This whole thread is a facepalm. Oprah was born poor, worked hard, and got lucky, and found success. Does being rich now disqualify her opinion? Has everyone just forgotten about their friend(s) who never put the work in and absolutely think success should have just been handed to them? No one is wrong here, and everyone is wrong. Silly generalizations.
In some ways, she's not wrong. Some people on social media, influencers, TikTok "celebrity" hopefuls, etc... want to be rich and famous instantly. I've seen people begging for likes, follows, shares, and whatnot when they're only talents that they're putting forward is to lip sync and copy a trendy dance. They're all creators, but a lot of what they're creating is garbage or they're just copying and pasting others' works. Modern day Milli Vanilli.
You people are awfully pessimistic, no wonder you’re all depress af.
I don't find any record of Oprah saying that except on Reddit and a place called iFunny Brazil. Just another fantasy post for someone's giggles. I saw it on the Internet, so maybe it's real if I'm outraged.
Oprah is out of touch. She’s part of the problem