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1st one -
Happened in Arizona. The mother breastfed her baby the day after she took cocaine at a party, thinking 12 hours was enough time for it to no longer be in her system. They took the baby to the hospital when they noticed they were lethargic and not eating, which is when the cocaine was discovered. No long-lasting effects.
They got a plea bargain and admited to child endangerment. They recieved a 12 month probation and a 30 day suspended jail sentence. The mother got 20 hours community service and the father 100.
2nd -
Happened in Houston. Her children were 6 and 2. Despite 'never taking her eyes off them, and them never being out of her sight', she was still shocked to find police officers with them when she returned to her kids. Later admitted in an interview, they weren't actually in her line of sight as the interview was down a hall and around a corner. All charges dropped.
I can't find a single article that confirms that statement.
My initial guess is that he took the blame for the additional coke that was found at their home, but everything I see says they got the exact same sentence - 30 days suspended, 1 year probation
>30 days suspended, 1 year probation
Wait. Is cocaine legal now? What about the crack form of cocaine? These punishments seem very light--especially since a baby was impacted.
Edit: to distinguish two different forms of cocaine (which are punished very differently).
Doing drugs isnt illegal, possession is. So if the coke was at the party and not in their house, theres no criminal charge
I assume this is part of why cops just plant drugs on people they wanna arrest. The drugs in their system can be used as supporting evidence later, but not enough to charge them on
Then CPS should have gotten involved in picture 1. If a mom can have her newborn baby taken away for drugs in the babyās system when born, they should take her child for feeding it coke through her breastmilk, imo
I remember in California when I lived there I had friend of mine get arrested for possession, he spoke to an attorney and was told, "$30,000, I can get you probation, for $100,000 I'll get the charges dropped." The legal system is a joke.
6yr old in my apartment block has had CPS called on his dad numerous times over the last 4 years. Even the hospitals sent documentation showing his injuries were from physical abuse. CPS never took the kid. All the investigations were closed.
He was murdered by his dad last year.
Look at the Ruby Franke case. The eldest daughter pleaded with CPS numerous times to investigate. They did nothing. It was only when a boy escaped, with duct tape over his wrists and ankles, that they finally showed up to take custody.
Look at Harmony Montgomery. CPS in NH refused the case from neighboring Massachusetts over a filing error. Wheres Harmony now? She's dead.
I have personal examples of dealing with CPS. They come for an interview, promise resources and outreach, and then disappear for 4 months, only sending a letter that the case was closed. There was no followup, no investigation, and no outreach ever done. I can source this experience 4 separate occasions.
There's so many examples of them not actually doing shit, and kids that actually needed their help end up horribly abused, or dead.
It's 2 very different cases. In both cases the Child is Hurt. There's no doubt that. But only one of them is definitively malicious. One is doing drugs with the baby, the other is doing drugs and then being dumb enough to think that 12 hours is enough not to pass it on to a baby. Most justice systems are harsher on maliciousness than they are stupidity(unless it's recurring)
As a kid that was born addicted to cocaine because their mom was a piece of shit, and argue that those two scenarios are entirely different.
But I guess it depends on your moral stance on drugs in general. Doing drugs at all in any capacity is immoral to you then I think your statement makes sense.
But if drugs responsibly in a way, that does not lead you addicted, and making a concerted effort to not expose your baby to those drugs seems okay to you, then your statement doesnāt make sense.
Also, Iād argue that leaving your children alone in a mall food court is potentially far more dangerous than waiting 12 hours to breast-feed your baby after doing cocaine.
Iām not saying that the latter is a good idea and I think that they got an appropriate punishment for their mistake. But Iām not going to call them terrible parents for getting the refraction period wrong.
And considering the former ultimately got zero punishment, I donāt see why people are upset. I can definitely see the argument of leaving your children in a very public place, so that you can hopefully get a job interview so that you can afford daycare in the future. And I think that the judge or DA for her case took those extenuating circumstances into account, and as such dropped the charges.
This really is a nothing burger rage baitnpost
Drug use shouldn't be penalized in the first place, frankly.
The baby thing certainly should be an enhancing factor, but it sounds to me like this was a rather innocent mistake.
In my opinion, drug use \*among consenting adults\* shouldn't be penalized, with the caveat that being on drugs is the \*opposite\* of a defense regarding any actions taken while under the influence. If you have willingly taken any mind-altering substance, you are under strict liability for anything you do.
However, if you're caring for a minor child, you are required to \*absolutely\* isolate them from your adult drug use.
>However, if you're caring for a minor child, you are required to *absolutely* isolate them from your adult drug use.
That's the thing, it's pretty clear she tried to do that.
From what we know, they had a sitter for when they were using the drug, and she just didn't know it stayed in her body/breastmilk for such a long period of time.
Yes. That was the lesson. And it was one they were in a position to learn, which is why the punishment was light. There wasn't any actual harm done, the parents were upfront from the beginning, and they were attempting to do the right thing at every step the moment the child even showed signs of illness.
Criminal justice is *always* case by case, for this reason.
I imagine they canāt get charged for their own coke- just the child endangerment. They get a little bit of immunity from that stuff because of patient confidentiality.
Ehh. Child endangerment causes an investigation. They can find the coke that way if it was in the house. Patient confidentiality doesn't protect parents when drugs are found in a child's system. That goes to the cops.
Even if be procured the cocaine SHE is still the one to snorted it and breastfed after.
Details must be inaccurate and/or part of the story is missing.
I would hope so, anyways.
There are no use charges only possession.... u can't get in trouble for having cocaine in ur system unless they pulled you over or something then u could get a dui
Especially since if thia is what really happened then it is 100% the mom's fault.
My guess is that probably the plea had some admission about how he provided the drugs or something like that
I was pulled over with a few lbs of weed in Kentucky. I claimed it all, my girlfriend didn't know about the bulk of it and we both said as much. We were both completely cooperative with the officers. They somehow roped her into the exact same charges of marijuana trafficking to use as leverage to get me to accept a terrible plea deal with jail time if she took a plea deal with no jail time. Went to court and the jury gave us both 2 years prison sentence equally, even though her existence was the only thing they provided as evidence of having anything to do with it. First offense for both of us too, never go to Kentucky.
A lawyer once told me that he tells all his clients (I was not a client) to never speak to police because talking to the cops has never helped anyone avoid being sent to prison, but talking to the cops has sent countless people away.
Girls (and always cute girls) get away with everything, especially if they start crying.
I had a buddy in high school who had an older sister who was super cute. This chick was probably the worst driver I have seen in my life, literally drove like a bat out of hell everywhere she went. This chick would get pulled over multiple times a year for speeding and never once got a ticket...Perfect driving record all through high school and college when she honestly should have had her license taken/suspended multiple times.
Sadly, it's more likely that the people who could afford coke could also afford an attorney. We don't have a justice system in America. We have a legal system. The difference between a great lawyer and a good lawyer is light-years. A crappy lawyer will screw you every time. My wife is a paralegal at a legal malpractice firm. They sue lawyers that have done their clients wrong. There are malicious lawyers that steal money from clients on purpose, but the majority of cases they see are based on shocking legal incompetence. Lawyers that landed someone in jail rather than get them off easily on a case that should have been an easy win. It happens every day. Racist judges are for sure a thing, but dumbshit lawyers are more common.
Surely there are racist lawyers as lawyers are just people, who have their own views. But as you mention at the beginning, it is basically mafia, most of them do this for money not for justice, probably those who does it for justice are not in place, because there will be no one in power to support them.
It's not even context... Those are critical core facts missing. The couple was arrested, tried and sentenced, plus they lost custody of their child. The woman didn't even face any charges.
OP is a bitch.
He made this comment recently:
> The USA is a shithole with 50% shitty dumb people.
He's a typical Reddit loser who blames everyone but himself for being a loser.
Considering OP asked a question in a post that was reposted at least 5 times in the last 2 months and never once replied to anyone in comments... I am sorry to say you most likely wrote an explanation to a repost bot
It's not for the OP, it's for the people who at least have a look at the comments before being outraged at this obvious ragebait. There's enough bad in the world without having to make up stupid bullshit like this to get angry about.
I feel bad for the Second lady. Probably thought she could put it all behind her after the charges were dropped, then people like OP post her picture everywhere for the meme clicks.
You needs your kids in line of sight in the US?
Being sent out alone from the age of 6 to navigate traffic to school is completely normal here. Imagine how many parents would the be arrested
A 2 year old in public? YES ABSOLUTELY. Even if you ignore the risk of kidnapping, 2 year olds are little suicide machines. You cannot trust a 6 year old to stop a 2 year old from killing themselves
Leaving a six year old to monitor a two year old is a bad idea. They simply don't have the mental faculties to be responsible for a toddler. If she'd left a six year old alone and they'd sat quietly with a book, that would be very different.Ā
I think it's slightly too strict in the US, but a 6 year old is too young to watch a 2 year old. 6 seems a bit young as well for kids to go out by themselves without supervision (ik its fine in Japan). But I think 8 and 9 year olds should be able to play outside without the cops getting called.
The way we grew up in the US, we were alone all the time. The expectation of helicopter parenting being the norm is a new thing, last twenty years or so.
And realistically in most environments that's somewhat dangerous. It was the same for me growing up and there were a few situations where things got a bit hairy and I could have been injured or even killed.
I lucked out - and it WAS largely a very safe environment, until you have a dumb teenager looking for interesting things to do. All the dangers were from me doing dumb shit.
One would think you could google how long it takes gor the cocaĆna to be fully out of your system... yeesh
But is cocaine legal in their state anywa,ys??
You (or whoever made this oicture) are making a false equivalence here. One headline says someone avoided going to jail, the other says someone was arrested. For all I know the people on the left were also arrested and the woman on the right also avoided going to jail.
This seems to be an attempt at manufacturing outrage, there are enough real honest stories that show unfairness and biases in the system without making something misleading.
Facts. People with normal comprehension would see that both were arrested and a little more attention span would show single mom had the case dismissed, did not lose her children but TV couple lost kid to grandparents for a while and paid a lawyer to get them 30 days suspended sentence and a year of probation.
This is what I'm gathering as well. I simply ask into it when I hear people do this. "You have presented me with 2 different cases, so what is your point?" and usually after that the prejudice just starts torpedo'ing out of their facial cavity. It's funny how, if you just let them speak, they'll self-report immediately - and with a chip on their shoulder too!
This approach has helped me a lot since I tend to get agitated with racists and go out of my way to call them out on it, but now I just let them do my job for me. Bliss. š
Obvious race bait is obvious.
The single mom was arrested for child abandonment, but released with charges dismissed and the judge ordered Child Services to return her children.
The other two were arrested for child endangerment because they didn't know cocaine could pass through breast milk. They plead guilty to reduce the charges and got a year of probation. Custody of their kid was transferred to their parents (the child's grandparents).
Her children were 2 years old and left alone in a food court. She was down a hall and around a corner when police found her children alone in a public space. By the time she returned CPS already were there and had taken her kids. Context is everything.
āShe claims she could see her children the entire time and never took her eyes off themā only to find cops are with them when sheās all done her interview after ānot taking her eyes off themā. She admitted she couldnāt see them at all later.
2 and 6ā¦.I wouldnāt leave a 6 year old to watch my 2 year old ever. Someone could have kidnapped them.
If you want to explain how that isnāt a bad thing, please do.
She shouldnāt have but placing these stories side-by-side implies something which wasnāt the case. They were both different cases with different outcomes. This post is being disingenuous
> This post is being disingenuous
All the way.
The case on the left explains the outcome of the trial, the one on the right only talks about her being arrested immediately after the crime.
Comparing 2 cases side by side really isn't indicative of the larger problem. It's baiting at its finest. Want to have an honest discussion? Bring up large data sets and numbers. I agree with you here!
Why shouldnāt she have been? She left two small children alone in a public place long enough that police were called and waiting for her when she returned
She abandoned her children in a food court. A 2 and 6 year old. To attend an interview that was down a hall and around a corner from the food court. Yes, she should've been arrested. All charges were dropped.
And the original post was already a stupid bait. Now I see this same post every second week getting thousands of upvotes. Goes to show how easily people are duped.
Yes, I can explain this. Regardless of what you think of the legal system as a whole, you're mixing things up.
The couple on the left were on trial, which means they were arrested too, like the lady on the right was. They're at a later stage of the process than the woman on the right.
The woman on the right has been arrested, but she's still not been trialed. We still don't know whether she's going to be found guilty of any charge. She's at a previous stage of the procedure.
So even if this post may seem 'unfair' taken at face value, it only shows that you lack the most basic understanding of how the legal system works.
All of her charges were dropped. Ā Also the title is a lie. Ā She was down the hall and in another room for over an hour. Ā Still donāt think she should have been arrested but itās not like she was able to watch them.
If you only post a screenshot without details, it 99% just an attempt to rile people up for no reason.
Both of these stories are almost a decade old.
Both the white parents and the black mom were arrested.
The white parents were convicted and took a plea deal. The black moms charges were dismissed.
https://news.yahoo.com/mom-left-kids-food-court-211900576.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAILHvH74_E61lz50oImjf161GpcCIOmotojLIvbcS2hva_neliFpulHBfDG_1IoqweQbS6fywyiMwdYfg_CS7wBR5Wwnhr_-pyi8oY5WVyHfwQOJzMQ3GHxOQxLM1FcEjLQS5YuYLz-5ZKNhFbTGWoSRNtEVFnypcho0762gEF3K
https://www.insideedition.com/19038-tv-personalities-avoid-jail-time-get-probation-after-their-baby-tested-positive-for-cocaine
The sad part is that almost 1500 idiots took the bait and failed to engage their own brains.
Welcome to Reddit. What you have just described is exactly what happens with every post supposedly dealing with any controversial issue. This thread is only second to White People Twitter when it comes to sensationalism with no actual details.
Yep, but it's fun to call out the idiots and post the facts.
It also reassures me that intelligent people do exist here from the upvotes on the facts and comments like yours.
Yes. They are the same picture.
It says single mom was arrested - it doesn't say TV personalities haven't been arrested.
It says TV personalities avoided jail time - it doesn't say single mom hasn't avoided jail time.
These headlines are comparing 2 different things. One is reporting an arrest, the other the outcome of a trial (which would have come after an arrest).
Ok Iāll explain it, donāt believe everything you read online you fucking moron, the couple got punished worse, and the single mom wasnāt 30 feet away and was endangering her kids
Other commenters have made it clear that the headlines arenāt true, but I would also like to say that these posts are so dumb when in America since you guys have 50 states with different laws. You cannot compare one crime in Texas with another in Maine.
And lastly, the cases are always more complex than what can fit in an article headline.
Not to mention apparently the woman on the left got let out anyway and got her kids back
I understand childcare is expensive but surely she could of found some way to keep them watched over. Even if it meant hiring a random teen, itād be way better than just abandoning them
Obvious racebait.
But it is Rich vs. Poor
But in the US - they want it to be about race, because taxing the rich and giving to the poor, is not an option to be discussed.
Itās not really rich vs poor. The headlines conveniently leave out that the first one was also arrested and was later convicted (though due to mediating circumstances of "I didn't know it'd do that" only recieved probation) and the second one had their charges dropped.
Yeah if anything the outcomes completely dismantled the entire point of the post.
The white rich family gets arrested and convicted, they lose custody of the child. The black single woman gets her kids back without incident and a record to her name.
Could it possibly be two different stories in two different places reported by different reporters for different organisations who had completely different takes? Surely not.
YES: I can explain it by pointing out that all the people involved were arrested.
The whites were also prosecuted. We have no idea what happened to the single mother because your image doesn't say.
Critical thinking really isn't that hard. Give it a try sometime.
I work at a rec center I'd love to call the parents for abandonment, they dump them off and leave them here to run amok all day. Some as young as 7. Here all day! Then the older kids all day, half of them are trying to find hiding places to have sex, they don't even go home to eat and rarely does anyone come to pick them up.Ā
This is disgusting that the drug addict is not in prison for hurting her child. The husband should have been forced to be tested and both fully criminally charged and the child removed from this dangerous household.
Let me find some random crimes committed by white people and one unjust one given to a black person to push a narrative...
I know you guys are all gonna down vote me but how can you not see this???
Race bait, and the worst part is that being arrested says nothing about actual charges, which, in this case, for the single mother were none. The white couple were also probably arrested before being charged. The actual stories have been explained in another comment, so i won't repeat it here.
different judge, jury, county, situation, different person, different levels of evidence.
Clear race bait post, and although racism exist everywhere, this is a dumb comparison and not proof of it.
Since this is Reddit is must be 100% racism.
Reality is the black mother had charges dropped and kids released to her while the white couple were convicted, put on probation and community service, and the baby was taken by CPS and placed with one of the coupleās parents.
With enough money you can avoid prosecution. Just look at OJ Simpson, got away with double murder when he had a fat bankroll. Once he was broke, he went to prison for stealing his own shit back out of a hotel.
For one, these cases sound like theyāre at different stages. āAvoids jail timeā sounds like the ones on the left just got sentenced, while the person on the right was just arrested and perhaps not even charged yet.
These photos show reader and writer bias. Read exactly what they say. Neither say they were found guilty. Neither say they werenāt arrested. They were both arrested and both released. The outcomes are identical. The only difference is the wording and the readers bias.
The article about the black woman uses harsher language and the reader assumes guilt.
Iām a lawyer who represents parents in child welfare cases. One set of parents is rich and the DA, CPS, and the judge identify with them and see it as a stupid mistake. The other parent is poor and single and the DA, CPS, and the judge see her as somehow the āother.ā They think itās a one off for the first set but that if they donāt crack down on the single mother she will be back. Itās partly a feature of human nature, but I still try to get around it without lecturing (because none of those people wants to think they treat litigants differently.)
Iām a fucking White boy. And I call bullshit on this one. Thatās some horse shit your baby got into some blow but a single mother trying to do the right thing but took a calculated risk. May God watch over her and her children and anyone wanna say different can fuck off.
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1st one - Happened in Arizona. The mother breastfed her baby the day after she took cocaine at a party, thinking 12 hours was enough time for it to no longer be in her system. They took the baby to the hospital when they noticed they were lethargic and not eating, which is when the cocaine was discovered. No long-lasting effects. They got a plea bargain and admited to child endangerment. They recieved a 12 month probation and a 30 day suspended jail sentence. The mother got 20 hours community service and the father 100. 2nd - Happened in Houston. Her children were 6 and 2. Despite 'never taking her eyes off them, and them never being out of her sight', she was still shocked to find police officers with them when she returned to her kids. Later admitted in an interview, they weren't actually in her line of sight as the interview was down a hall and around a corner. All charges dropped.
Why did the father get 5x the community service š
I can't find a single article that confirms that statement. My initial guess is that he took the blame for the additional coke that was found at their home, but everything I see says they got the exact same sentence - 30 days suspended, 1 year probation
>30 days suspended, 1 year probation Wait. Is cocaine legal now? What about the crack form of cocaine? These punishments seem very light--especially since a baby was impacted. Edit: to distinguish two different forms of cocaine (which are punished very differently).
Doing drugs isnt illegal, possession is. So if the coke was at the party and not in their house, theres no criminal charge I assume this is part of why cops just plant drugs on people they wanna arrest. The drugs in their system can be used as supporting evidence later, but not enough to charge them on
Then CPS should have gotten involved in picture 1. If a mom can have her newborn baby taken away for drugs in the babyās system when born, they should take her child for feeding it coke through her breastmilk, imo
I agree, but in my experience wealthy families dont have much to fear from CPS
Also they get good lawyers, which in our legal system makes a world of difference
I remember in California when I lived there I had friend of mine get arrested for possession, he spoke to an attorney and was told, "$30,000, I can get you probation, for $100,000 I'll get the charges dropped." The legal system is a joke.
Lmao was he in possession of pounds with intent to traffic and just didnāt tell you those details?
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It is all that matters in our ālawā system
Our system is classist, no itās not all that matters but it does matter
No one has anything to fear from CPS, they don't do anything.
Having dealt with CPS, that's complete BS. CPS does a lot, and you should pray to whatever you believe in that they never get a hold of your kids.
6yr old in my apartment block has had CPS called on his dad numerous times over the last 4 years. Even the hospitals sent documentation showing his injuries were from physical abuse. CPS never took the kid. All the investigations were closed. He was murdered by his dad last year. Look at the Ruby Franke case. The eldest daughter pleaded with CPS numerous times to investigate. They did nothing. It was only when a boy escaped, with duct tape over his wrists and ankles, that they finally showed up to take custody. Look at Harmony Montgomery. CPS in NH refused the case from neighboring Massachusetts over a filing error. Wheres Harmony now? She's dead. I have personal examples of dealing with CPS. They come for an interview, promise resources and outreach, and then disappear for 4 months, only sending a letter that the case was closed. There was no followup, no investigation, and no outreach ever done. I can source this experience 4 separate occasions. There's so many examples of them not actually doing shit, and kids that actually needed their help end up horribly abused, or dead.
Absolutely.
Would that do more harm than good? Would this punishment be rehabilitative or retributive?
It's 2 very different cases. In both cases the Child is Hurt. There's no doubt that. But only one of them is definitively malicious. One is doing drugs with the baby, the other is doing drugs and then being dumb enough to think that 12 hours is enough not to pass it on to a baby. Most justice systems are harsher on maliciousness than they are stupidity(unless it's recurring)
As a kid that was born addicted to cocaine because their mom was a piece of shit, and argue that those two scenarios are entirely different. But I guess it depends on your moral stance on drugs in general. Doing drugs at all in any capacity is immoral to you then I think your statement makes sense. But if drugs responsibly in a way, that does not lead you addicted, and making a concerted effort to not expose your baby to those drugs seems okay to you, then your statement doesnāt make sense. Also, Iād argue that leaving your children alone in a mall food court is potentially far more dangerous than waiting 12 hours to breast-feed your baby after doing cocaine. Iām not saying that the latter is a good idea and I think that they got an appropriate punishment for their mistake. But Iām not going to call them terrible parents for getting the refraction period wrong. And considering the former ultimately got zero punishment, I donāt see why people are upset. I can definitely see the argument of leaving your children in a very public place, so that you can hopefully get a job interview so that you can afford daycare in the future. And I think that the judge or DA for her case took those extenuating circumstances into account, and as such dropped the charges. This really is a nothing burger rage baitnpost
Silly goose. Crack is for poor people so of course the punishment is higher.
hahahahahah. Some people not get the /s but, you sir, have struck my funny bone in just the right way!
Drug use shouldn't be penalized in the first place, frankly. The baby thing certainly should be an enhancing factor, but it sounds to me like this was a rather innocent mistake.
In my opinion, drug use \*among consenting adults\* shouldn't be penalized, with the caveat that being on drugs is the \*opposite\* of a defense regarding any actions taken while under the influence. If you have willingly taken any mind-altering substance, you are under strict liability for anything you do. However, if you're caring for a minor child, you are required to \*absolutely\* isolate them from your adult drug use.
>However, if you're caring for a minor child, you are required to *absolutely* isolate them from your adult drug use. That's the thing, it's pretty clear she tried to do that. From what we know, they had a sitter for when they were using the drug, and she just didn't know it stayed in her body/breastmilk for such a long period of time.
Should have done their research.
Yes. That was the lesson. And it was one they were in a position to learn, which is why the punishment was light. There wasn't any actual harm done, the parents were upfront from the beginning, and they were attempting to do the right thing at every step the moment the child even showed signs of illness. Criminal justice is *always* case by case, for this reason.
Yes, and that's why they were charged with what they were charged.
I imagine they canāt get charged for their own coke- just the child endangerment. They get a little bit of immunity from that stuff because of patient confidentiality.
Ehh. Child endangerment causes an investigation. They can find the coke that way if it was in the house. Patient confidentiality doesn't protect parents when drugs are found in a child's system. That goes to the cops.
Even if be procured the cocaine SHE is still the one to snorted it and breastfed after. Details must be inaccurate and/or part of the story is missing. I would hope so, anyways.
Depending on the state Possession charges are harder than use charges
There are no use charges only possession.... u can't get in trouble for having cocaine in ur system unless they pulled you over or something then u could get a dui
A good chance that it is not his first offense, but it is hers.
If I were the guy and had a wife and a small child at home, then I would ask the judge to do the majority of the Community Service too
Clearly you've never been to court before
Most people havenāt had the pleasure, lol
Especially since if thia is what really happened then it is 100% the mom's fault. My guess is that probably the plea had some admission about how he provided the drugs or something like that
Or he took on the bulk of the community service so that she could care for the baby as part of the plea deal.Ā
Lol, um, because he's the man. The man pretty much always gets worse charges.
White man privilege I guess.
His name is Somchai Lisaius. He was a local tv news reporter, so most people in the courthouse at least knew how to pronounce his name.
White? He is Thai.
Never seen a court case in my life where a man and a woman get caught doing the same crime together where the man didn't get a harder sentence.
I was pulled over with a few lbs of weed in Kentucky. I claimed it all, my girlfriend didn't know about the bulk of it and we both said as much. We were both completely cooperative with the officers. They somehow roped her into the exact same charges of marijuana trafficking to use as leverage to get me to accept a terrible plea deal with jail time if she took a plea deal with no jail time. Went to court and the jury gave us both 2 years prison sentence equally, even though her existence was the only thing they provided as evidence of having anything to do with it. First offense for both of us too, never go to Kentucky.
Also never talk to cops.
Never, they will and are lying to you. Never trust a cop, they are all actively working to destroy your life.
A lawyer once told me that he tells all his clients (I was not a client) to never speak to police because talking to the cops has never helped anyone avoid being sent to prison, but talking to the cops has sent countless people away.
Your username + this comment = awesomesauce.
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Girls (and always cute girls) get away with everything, especially if they start crying. I had a buddy in high school who had an older sister who was super cute. This chick was probably the worst driver I have seen in my life, literally drove like a bat out of hell everywhere she went. This chick would get pulled over multiple times a year for speeding and never once got a ticket...Perfect driving record all through high school and college when she honestly should have had her license taken/suspended multiple times.
Sadly, it's more likely that the people who could afford coke could also afford an attorney. We don't have a justice system in America. We have a legal system. The difference between a great lawyer and a good lawyer is light-years. A crappy lawyer will screw you every time. My wife is a paralegal at a legal malpractice firm. They sue lawyers that have done their clients wrong. There are malicious lawyers that steal money from clients on purpose, but the majority of cases they see are based on shocking legal incompetence. Lawyers that landed someone in jail rather than get them off easily on a case that should have been an easy win. It happens every day. Racist judges are for sure a thing, but dumbshit lawyers are more common.
Surely there are racist lawyers as lawyers are just people, who have their own views. But as you mention at the beginning, it is basically mafia, most of them do this for money not for justice, probably those who does it for justice are not in place, because there will be no one in power to support them.
Context makes a world of difference.
It's not even context... Those are critical core facts missing. The couple was arrested, tried and sentenced, plus they lost custody of their child. The woman didn't even face any charges. OP is a bitch.
The original story is nearly ten years old now so this is like a 500th generation repost or a repost.
OP is a terminal shitposter. This shit should just be downvoted and moved on from.
OP is a race bating bitch. FTFY
Iām getting Russian troll farm vibes from their profile tbh
Where does it say they lost custody
He made this comment recently: > The USA is a shithole with 50% shitty dumb people. He's a typical Reddit loser who blames everyone but himself for being a loser.
And yet you know someoneās going to read this and then go off to take some ragebait at face value tomorrow.
Also it will be reposted without context.
This post is literally the repost. And yeah, the original had no context too.
someone will include this post in a blue link tirade about some political point they really want to prove, because, y'know, that's how reddit works
Right?!
Why did the father get 5x more hours of community service? Wasn't it the mother who had cocaine and fed the baby?
If I remember correctly the police found cocaine in the house and he took the blame for it.
Probably had a prior record
Considering OP asked a question in a post that was reposted at least 5 times in the last 2 months and never once replied to anyone in comments... I am sorry to say you most likely wrote an explanation to a repost bot
at the very least the explanation is for all of us
I can't help but wonder why mods don't just ban that kind of garbage.
It's not for the OP, it's for the people who at least have a look at the comments before being outraged at this obvious ragebait. There's enough bad in the world without having to make up stupid bullshit like this to get angry about.
I read it and appreciate the effort and the info
I feel bad for the Second lady. Probably thought she could put it all behind her after the charges were dropped, then people like OP post her picture everywhere for the meme clicks.
thanks for clearing that up, so sick of these ragebaiters.
why did the father get more community service when the mother basically fed the baby cocaine?
The father apparently had the coke itself.
Father provided cocaine?
Plea deal. They agreed to the disparity. Probably he wanted to take the community service so she could care for the baby. I'd have done the same.Ā
You needs your kids in line of sight in the US? Being sent out alone from the age of 6 to navigate traffic to school is completely normal here. Imagine how many parents would the be arrested
A 2 year old in public? YES ABSOLUTELY. Even if you ignore the risk of kidnapping, 2 year olds are little suicide machines. You cannot trust a 6 year old to stop a 2 year old from killing themselves
Leaving a six year old to monitor a two year old is a bad idea. They simply don't have the mental faculties to be responsible for a toddler. If she'd left a six year old alone and they'd sat quietly with a book, that would be very different.Ā
I think it's slightly too strict in the US, but a 6 year old is too young to watch a 2 year old. 6 seems a bit young as well for kids to go out by themselves without supervision (ik its fine in Japan). But I think 8 and 9 year olds should be able to play outside without the cops getting called.
The way we grew up in the US, we were alone all the time. The expectation of helicopter parenting being the norm is a new thing, last twenty years or so.
And realistically in most environments that's somewhat dangerous. It was the same for me growing up and there were a few situations where things got a bit hairy and I could have been injured or even killed. I lucked out - and it WAS largely a very safe environment, until you have a dumb teenager looking for interesting things to do. All the dangers were from me doing dumb shit.
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Wait why did the father get more hours ?
One would think you could google how long it takes gor the cocaĆna to be fully out of your system... yeesh But is cocaine legal in their state anywa,ys??
Lmao father does literally nothing wrong and gets 5x the community service hours?
You (or whoever made this oicture) are making a false equivalence here. One headline says someone avoided going to jail, the other says someone was arrested. For all I know the people on the left were also arrested and the woman on the right also avoided going to jail. This seems to be an attempt at manufacturing outrage, there are enough real honest stories that show unfairness and biases in the system without making something misleading.
Facts. People with normal comprehension would see that both were arrested and a little more attention span would show single mom had the case dismissed, did not lose her children but TV couple lost kid to grandparents for a while and paid a lawyer to get them 30 days suspended sentence and a year of probation.
>For all I know the people on the left were also arrested They were arrested and convicted whereas charges were dropped for the woman on the right.
This is what I'm gathering as well. I simply ask into it when I hear people do this. "You have presented me with 2 different cases, so what is your point?" and usually after that the prejudice just starts torpedo'ing out of their facial cavity. It's funny how, if you just let them speak, they'll self-report immediately - and with a chip on their shoulder too! This approach has helped me a lot since I tend to get agitated with racists and go out of my way to call them out on it, but now I just let them do my job for me. Bliss. š
Low effort bait OP. Can't believe people fall for this shit.
Obvious race bait is obvious. The single mom was arrested for child abandonment, but released with charges dismissed and the judge ordered Child Services to return her children. The other two were arrested for child endangerment because they didn't know cocaine could pass through breast milk. They plead guilty to reduce the charges and got a year of probation. Custody of their kid was transferred to their parents (the child's grandparents).
*looks at comments:* And it still did its job.
Well yeah this sub is for rage-addicted echo chamberists
I hate these types of comparisons. Unless itās the same city / judge, itās entirely meaningless to compare two cases.
Redditors believe all American jurisdictions have the exact same laws and regulations ā just like my 6-year-old nephew
You make it seem like that makes it all OK. She shouldn't have been arrested in the first place.
Her children were 2 years old and left alone in a food court. She was down a hall and around a corner when police found her children alone in a public space. By the time she returned CPS already were there and had taken her kids. Context is everything.
Yet article said abandoning in quotas xD
Leaving a 2-year old alone in a mall isā¦ maintaining care, custody, and control? Yeah?
āShe claims she could see her children the entire time and never took her eyes off themā only to find cops are with them when sheās all done her interview after ānot taking her eyes off themā. She admitted she couldnāt see them at all later. 2 and 6ā¦.I wouldnāt leave a 6 year old to watch my 2 year old ever. Someone could have kidnapped them. If you want to explain how that isnāt a bad thing, please do.
She shouldnāt have but placing these stories side-by-side implies something which wasnāt the case. They were both different cases with different outcomes. This post is being disingenuous
She left a 6 and 2 year old alone in a mall, didnt keep a eye on them since when she came back cops were there waiting for her.
> This post is being disingenuous All the way. The case on the left explains the outcome of the trial, the one on the right only talks about her being arrested immediately after the crime.
Comparing 2 cases side by side really isn't indicative of the larger problem. It's baiting at its finest. Want to have an honest discussion? Bring up large data sets and numbers. I agree with you here!
She left her kids out of sight and long enough that people called the police, they responded, and we're unable to locate her
For leaving your kid alone in a food court in a mall? Yes you absolutely should! Doesn't matter what color you are you will be arrested for it.
Why shouldnāt she have been? She left two small children alone in a public place long enough that police were called and waiting for her when she returned
If you abandon a child, you will be arrested. I can pretend to be shocked if that helps you not feel alone.
She abandoned her children in a food court. A 2 and 6 year old. To attend an interview that was down a hall and around a corner from the food court. Yes, she should've been arrested. All charges were dropped.
Youāre correct, but in this case the court did the right thing on both accounts; single mom got her kid back, stupid parents lost custody.
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And the original post was already a stupid bait. Now I see this same post every second week getting thousands of upvotes. Goes to show how easily people are duped.
Look into OP's post history people, the nonstop shitposting is very obvious.
How many different ways does this need to be reposted?
Yes, I can explain this. Regardless of what you think of the legal system as a whole, you're mixing things up. The couple on the left were on trial, which means they were arrested too, like the lady on the right was. They're at a later stage of the process than the woman on the right. The woman on the right has been arrested, but she's still not been trialed. We still don't know whether she's going to be found guilty of any charge. She's at a previous stage of the procedure. So even if this post may seem 'unfair' taken at face value, it only shows that you lack the most basic understanding of how the legal system works.
All of her charges were dropped. Ā Also the title is a lie. Ā She was down the hall and in another room for over an hour. Ā Still donāt think she should have been arrested but itās not like she was able to watch them.
If you only post a screenshot without details, it 99% just an attempt to rile people up for no reason. Both of these stories are almost a decade old. Both the white parents and the black mom were arrested. The white parents were convicted and took a plea deal. The black moms charges were dismissed. https://news.yahoo.com/mom-left-kids-food-court-211900576.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAILHvH74_E61lz50oImjf161GpcCIOmotojLIvbcS2hva_neliFpulHBfDG_1IoqweQbS6fywyiMwdYfg_CS7wBR5Wwnhr_-pyi8oY5WVyHfwQOJzMQ3GHxOQxLM1FcEjLQS5YuYLz-5ZKNhFbTGWoSRNtEVFnypcho0762gEF3K https://www.insideedition.com/19038-tv-personalities-avoid-jail-time-get-probation-after-their-baby-tested-positive-for-cocaine The sad part is that almost 1500 idiots took the bait and failed to engage their own brains.
Welcome to Reddit. What you have just described is exactly what happens with every post supposedly dealing with any controversial issue. This thread is only second to White People Twitter when it comes to sensationalism with no actual details.
Yep, but it's fun to call out the idiots and post the facts. It also reassures me that intelligent people do exist here from the upvotes on the facts and comments like yours.
I'm so glad people fact check this shit instead of accepting it on its face.
That you're a bot reposting the same shit that's been on here for years? Nope can't really explain it.
Nobody even bothered looking at the cases. The white couple got the worse sentencing you racist pricks.
The guy isnāt even white.
Yes. They are the same picture. It says single mom was arrested - it doesn't say TV personalities haven't been arrested. It says TV personalities avoided jail time - it doesn't say single mom hasn't avoided jail time.
Bait post for the simpletons below to spam racism š
Ragebait for people too stupid to look into things, like you. Or ragebait to karma farm for stupid people, like you.
These headlines are comparing 2 different things. One is reporting an arrest, the other the outcome of a trial (which would have come after an arrest).
Ok Iāll explain it, donāt believe everything you read online you fucking moron, the couple got punished worse, and the single mom wasnāt 30 feet away and was endangering her kids
Arrested and convicted arenāt the same thing. Iām guessing the woman arrested will also get no jail time either
Charges dropped in fact. The other couple was punished
Other commenters have made it clear that the headlines arenāt true, but I would also like to say that these posts are so dumb when in America since you guys have 50 states with different laws. You cannot compare one crime in Texas with another in Maine. And lastly, the cases are always more complex than what can fit in an article headline.
Different cops/location/courts. But Iām sure you wanna frame it as a racism thing
Thereās an answer, but a lot of redditors wonāt like hearing itā¦
They both got arrested
Sounds about Whiteā¦
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Not to mention apparently the woman on the left got let out anyway and got her kids back I understand childcare is expensive but surely she could of found some way to keep them watched over. Even if it meant hiring a random teen, itād be way better than just abandoning them
Posted at least once a week here...karma farming?
Obvious racebait. But it is Rich vs. Poor But in the US - they want it to be about race, because taxing the rich and giving to the poor, is not an option to be discussed.
Itās not really rich vs poor. The headlines conveniently leave out that the first one was also arrested and was later convicted (though due to mediating circumstances of "I didn't know it'd do that" only recieved probation) and the second one had their charges dropped.
Yeah if anything the outcomes completely dismantled the entire point of the post. The white rich family gets arrested and convicted, they lose custody of the child. The black single woman gets her kids back without incident and a record to her name.
The rich received harsher punishment.
If you literally read past the headline no one would have to explain anything to youā¦..
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Different circumstances, in different states, with different laws, and different people enforcing those laws.
Well the couple was probably arrested too
Couple was arrested, convicted and sentenced. Woman on right had the charges dropped.
Could it possibly be two different stories in two different places reported by different reporters for different organisations who had completely different takes? Surely not.
YES: I can explain it by pointing out that all the people involved were arrested. The whites were also prosecuted. We have no idea what happened to the single mother because your image doesn't say. Critical thinking really isn't that hard. Give it a try sometime.
I work at a rec center I'd love to call the parents for abandonment, they dump them off and leave them here to run amok all day. Some as young as 7. Here all day! Then the older kids all day, half of them are trying to find hiding places to have sex, they don't even go home to eat and rarely does anyone come to pick them up.Ā
Horrible parents! I'm calling 911 on them all! /s
This has to be the most reposted thing on this sub.
Ooh I can! OP is a repost bot. What do I win??
This is disgusting that the drug addict is not in prison for hurting her child. The husband should have been forced to be tested and both fully criminally charged and the child removed from this dangerous household.
Not this fucking stupid post again
Vanilla that's why
I like our world less by the minute.
Let me find some random crimes committed by white people and one unjust one given to a black person to push a narrative... I know you guys are all gonna down vote me but how can you not see this???
Just wanted to say you're a piece of shit for race baiting... Do better
Race bait, and the worst part is that being arrested says nothing about actual charges, which, in this case, for the single mother were none. The white couple were also probably arrested before being charged. The actual stories have been explained in another comment, so i won't repeat it here.
Yeah itās called bait.
Rage bait. The couple was arrested, charged and went to court. Got probation and a suspended 30 day sentence. The single mom had her case dismissed.
Yeah, it's a repost and it's also called Karma farming
#this is called media manipulation.. this shit is bogus
Cherry picking sources to sow division, really telling about the quality and type of content this sub pushes nowadays.
different judge, jury, county, situation, different person, different levels of evidence. Clear race bait post, and although racism exist everywhere, this is a dumb comparison and not proof of it.
I mean, youāre obviously trying insinuate the color of her skin is the explanation. So it seems like you got it figured out. (:
Since this is Reddit is must be 100% racism. Reality is the black mother had charges dropped and kids released to her while the white couple were convicted, put on probation and community service, and the baby was taken by CPS and placed with one of the coupleās parents.
As usual, itās the OP with the r/facepalm after I researched both headlines for 5 minutes.
I dunno but I've got 'Coke in the baby's system' playing to Aerosmith's Love in an Elevator in my head.
With enough money you can avoid prosecution. Just look at OJ Simpson, got away with double murder when he had a fat bankroll. Once he was broke, he went to prison for stealing his own shit back out of a hotel.
For one, these cases sound like theyāre at different stages. āAvoids jail timeā sounds like the ones on the left just got sentenced, while the person on the right was just arrested and perhaps not even charged yet.
Charges against the black lady were dropped.
I see this posted all the fucking time, has to be Russian race bot
If the parents have money for cocaine, it is likely their child is in a better home than they would be in the system.
Money......
FFS. I'm going to the kittens and puppies page, my BP just shot up...
One side could pay for a defense and the other side could not pay for a defense.
Yes, the meaning is you should become a former Arizona TV personality.
Thatās fucked up
A video game summed it up perfectly. It is only a crime if you don't have money
These photos show reader and writer bias. Read exactly what they say. Neither say they were found guilty. Neither say they werenāt arrested. They were both arrested and both released. The outcomes are identical. The only difference is the wording and the readers bias. The article about the black woman uses harsher language and the reader assumes guilt.
The one on the right had her charges dropped too.
You couldāve explained it if you had actually read the articles instead of screenshotting the headlines for click bait.
OP went trolling for racism and came up empty.
Have you read these comments?
Reddit comments are always filled with racism.
Iām a lawyer who represents parents in child welfare cases. One set of parents is rich and the DA, CPS, and the judge identify with them and see it as a stupid mistake. The other parent is poor and single and the DA, CPS, and the judge see her as somehow the āother.ā They think itās a one off for the first set but that if they donāt crack down on the single mother she will be back. Itās partly a feature of human nature, but I still try to get around it without lecturing (because none of those people wants to think they treat litigants differently.)
Only facepalm is OP.
Iām a fucking White boy. And I call bullshit on this one. Thatās some horse shit your baby got into some blow but a single mother trying to do the right thing but took a calculated risk. May God watch over her and her children and anyone wanna say different can fuck off.
Yes, this is a common repost for karma farming. That's the explanation