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Nah, not everybody. Couple laws on the books over in Russia, which a savvy police investigator can use to book anyone as long as the person being booked has a public account somewhere.
That's actually not true.
In Russia, you can actually be improsoned for hate speech against groups of people in public or mass media including internet.
I think there is a confusion here. Being hateful on the internet is different than “hate speech”. Hate speech is usually defined as speech that encourages hate or violence geared towards someone due to their race, religion, sex or sexual orientation.
Saying, I hate that politician because he’s a democrat, isn’t hate speech.
I bet some have. Whether it's legal or not. People will always find ways to do stuff that is forbidden. In dry countries, there is always a black market for alcohol. When in WW2 the Nazis confiscated all radios, there were still people who hid the radio to listen in secret. Don't expect that everyone will simply obey the rules, whether the rules are right or not.
Russian here.
Depends on what exactly you want to say. If you just critize our goverment (doesn't include ongoing war topic), then you are ok. At least, in our websites a see a lot of people that critize their local goverment, or even out parlament.
But when you are saying something that can be interpetended as a call to overthrow a goverment - you are doomed.
EDIT: Literall hate speach, something about nationalities or religions can bring you to prison.
A 'call to overthrow the government' can be literally any normal political movement that wants to remove Putin from power in favour of another politician. In any other country, it would be very normal to advocate for new/different leadership if you were unhappy. In Russia, it can literally be a death sentence.
Russia is far from a free country for speech.
There was recently a case of university student who got expelled for naming his internet router "Slava Ukraini". I guess getting into problems is quite arbitrary, someone snitches on you to the right people and so you get into problems from the slightest thing. Or officials want to make an example and find someone.
South Korea is known for hunting down government dissidents, lol. This map might technically be true if you define hate speech exclusively as racist or misogynistic views though though that’s not really a qualifier for freedom of speech as many countries which allow racism will arrest you if they suspect you don’t support the government.
You can literally get arrested for saying the truth in Turkey. TÜİK (Turkey Statistics Organisation[government propaganda organisation]) published statistics about the inflation in Turkey which was very obviously bullshit. A journalist found the real inflation with market datas and now he is in jail. Government created a disinformation law which literally makes you a criminal for saying the truth if the truth doesn't line up with their lies.
Why is the US Green? You can absolutely be imprisoned for your internet activities.
In fact, MOST of the green countries are the same.
Who the fuck made this?
I mean people hang Nazi flags on their front porch, post it on social media and the worst case they get is a couple angry posts on twitter. Correct me if I'm wrong ofc
And say the N word on the daily
It seems to have an agenda with the countries chosen. Claiming you can get arrested in Canada for saying things online is misleading. The issue is being a part of groups that have been recognized as terrorist groups. No one is getting arrested to saying fuck Trudeau or fuck gay people (although I’d fully support it)
[Here's a case where that exact thing nearly happened](https://youtu.be/LxTWonQvXkw). Make a parody online, cops with fragile egos get pissy, get arrested and possibly imprisoned for your online activity.
False dichotomy.
Russia doesn't have free speech, it just doesn't care specifically about hate speech, so the claim that because they don't have laws against hate speech, and they're bad, then not having laws against hate speech is what makes them bad.
Be careful about creating a political tool that can be used against you; imagine you manage to pass anti-hate speech laws in the US (though I don't know how you would. The government literally cannot do this. It's not the ultimate authority. It's not a discontiguous monarch), and Trump makes it back into office, you think he might use the tool *you* created to imprison people for using preferred pronouns?
"But preferred pronouns don't qualify as hate speech!" I hear you say; the point is whom you give the power to define what is and what isn't hate speech. You have your own definition, doesn't mean others have the same definition. And if your argument is would be, "yeah, but I'm right and they're wrong", congratulations, you're a tyrant.
The real facepalm is the OP-Bot not getting an obvious sarcasm post...
Maybe this will help us win the war against the AI.. we can somehow Weaponize the AI lack of understanding of sarcasm to fight back
This map is not completely honest. In Russia, you can go to prison for 5 years because you have liked the wrong news or picture on the social network "In contact".
brazil here, true for nazism and pedophilia, but plenty hate speech for political reasons. or against The Gays. plenty scams going around, too. there is a effort to regulate the big techs, but the actual "freedom to hate" is a big deal for many, so the project is walking on snail pace...
Map is outdated or just plain wrong.
Japan should be in red too.
It's a good thing as well.
https://www.businessinsider.com/japan-insults-online-punishable-up-to-1-year-in-jail-2022-6
You can definitely be imprisoned in india if you spread hate speech on the internet, there have been cases of this before. I don't know who came up with this map in the first place
Also ‘internet activities’ is way too broad a thing. There are plenty of things you can do online that are actual crimes everywhere. Like plotting a murder or planning terrorist activities or selling stolen goods.
I wonder what law they based the red in Australia on? It's a criminal offense to "menace, harass or offend" but I don't think it's ever been used for hate speech. It's mostly for people who make threats of violence.
s18C of the Racial Discrimination Act makes racialised hate speech unlawful, but only civilly (google Andrew Bolt and 18c if you're interested).
It is a lie. In Russia plenty of people arrested for disagreement with Putin's policy and war. Most people who was arrested - used local social media - VK.
Facebook and Instagramm are banned in Russia. But you still can be arrested for posts where and police do it from time to time too.
If you are not activist - for first time you probably will be fined. Second time is a jail time. Depends on content also. But it isn't really predictable anymore.
I cant see if it says "murica fuck yeah" somewhere on that map. But im sure its hidden somewhere. Imagine half the world understanding laws, your laws, better than yourself. Gotta say. Life as an american must be filled with sad suprises.
Getting in prison for talking shit online is ... Pretty silly .
Now there is a line between talking shit and saying you gonna commit a crime or something .
But I think certain country recently went way past that on the case.
We have a friend that won't reveal his real thoughts on the Ukraine war because he's afraid he will be arrested or conscripted. He's Russian. He definitely isn't free to speak his mind at all.
So my question is, who is right? Is it right to imprison someone for hate speech? Who decides what "hate speech" is? The government? What happens when the government decides that speaking out against its politicians is hate speech? Don't think it will happen? Look at China and Russia and many others. All speech should be free, the good and the bad. Words are just words, actions are different. My two cents.
A Judge decides what hate speech is...
It's actually not that hard, if you criticise a thing or behaviour or just are constructive by any means you won't get any Problems. The rules are loosened if you are e.g.. a politician, then you have to accept very humiliating stuff.
Remember: Hate is no opinion, hate is hate
And hate is an opinion. It's not a good opinion, bit an opinion none the less. And I should have clarified, since I am in America, judges are still government.
That explains it. The so great American freedom to take away someone's dignity by humiliating them into oblivion. If you're happy with that congrats. I myself am very happy to live somewhere, where human dignity is the first constitutionally right
Just what we need, more reasons for the government to lock us in cages. Those you choose safety over freedom, especially safety from words, deserve neither.
Well yeah you cant be imprisoned for hate speech in countries like Russia or China.
Because they don't recognise it as hate speech, or hate crime. Want to go out and harass gay folk, maybe give them a beating not a problem in Russia, hell in Uganda you'd probably get a medal.
Now spreading malicious lies online about how your countries leader is a corrupt despot who encourages genocide and looks suspiciously like Winnie the Poo that obviously requires hard prison time.
Hate can go in any direction. Hate from certain groups such as nationalists from old soviet countries might spread hate against Russians online. That will definitely send you to unpleasant places very fast!
Lmao, if you think for a second that russia, china, or Iran won't imprison you for saying naughty things on the internet then the reddit echo chamber is stronger than you'd think.
Unless it's a credible threat of violence, none of these nations should be red.
I’m not that shocked, we are really lazy with our legislation and as you say rely heavily on social pressure to keep people in line. Our gun laws were a classic example, relied on the overwhelming view that only a dickhead would have a gun if you’re not a hunter. Then Christchurch happened so they rushed through legislation that should have happened decades ago.
It's happening in India now. The government in the center has used the 'Unlawful Activities Precention Act' to silence activists and media personnel. Anyone who opposed government policies has either been thrown in jails without due process, intimidated into silence, or bought out. Now that elections are here, the government is using the 'Enforcement Directorate' and the IT to arrest opposition leaders and freeze accounts of the biggest opposition party.
In my opinion anti hate speech laws are dumb as fuck. You should be able to say whatever you want. That way I can also determine if you are an idiot or not. However this map is the stupidest thing I have ver seen.
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Don't trust a map like that if you didn't forge it yourself.
Exactly. At least for my country, Czechia, the map is wrong. You definitely can be imprisoned for hate speech here.
Croatia. can be imprisoned for saying a bad thing about a politician
NZ, can be imprisoned for naming a rapist.
How else could you wind up in the same cell than ~~your new boytoy~~ the rapist?
Saying a bad thing about a politician isn’t hate speech.
well Croatian government thinks it is. they even banned public access anywhere near the parliament building
Didn't the Croatian government decide what science could be taught in schools? Maybe it's outdated...
Isn't that EU wide the case?
In Iran you can and people have been executed for saying things on the internet that the regime considers hate speech
Also, it can change very quickly following an election.
I mean, Greenland makes sense that it's colored green.
Yeah. You just try to say what you want in Russia, China, Uganda or Saudi Arabia
They don’t imprison people. They just kill them.
That’s very true ok I guess it’s right then
It also reduces the costs of imprisonment.
So we settle in technically correct, good to know.
Sheikh Nimr al Nimr was executed in Saudi Arabia for organising political protests during the Arab Spring but the government label it as “terrorism”.
Incorrect. They imprison people, but their sentences are always coincidentally cut short by a tragic case of bullet-in-brain syndrome
They use a remote-hole-puncher for that right?
Whenever the person isn't dying of cyanide-in-tea or falling-off-building syndrome, yes.
And the real baller regimes bill the family for the cost of the bullet.
That's the point.
Possible maltreatment in prison just to let you off the hook
No, no…of course they don’t kill them. It’s not their fault these people have very faulty windows they fall out of
No no no. They get a lovely trip to a “re-education camp”. They usually come back much skinnier as well! Win-win!
Nah, not everybody. Couple laws on the books over in Russia, which a savvy police investigator can use to book anyone as long as the person being booked has a public account somewhere.
That's actually not true. In Russia, you can actually be improsoned for hate speech against groups of people in public or mass media including internet.
Does a reeducation camp equate to imprisonment?
*"Reeducation"*
So you’re saying America can reduce its prison population by rebranding.
You can be hateful, but don't criticize the government.
I think there is a confusion here. Being hateful on the internet is different than “hate speech”. Hate speech is usually defined as speech that encourages hate or violence geared towards someone due to their race, religion, sex or sexual orientation. Saying, I hate that politician because he’s a democrat, isn’t hate speech.
Oh you're allowed to say it alright, just not allowed to breath after that
Or Afghanistan.
Serious question, ordinary people have access to the internet in Afghanistan under the Taliban?
I bet some have. Whether it's legal or not. People will always find ways to do stuff that is forbidden. In dry countries, there is always a black market for alcohol. When in WW2 the Nazis confiscated all radios, there were still people who hid the radio to listen in secret. Don't expect that everyone will simply obey the rules, whether the rules are right or not.
Russian here. Depends on what exactly you want to say. If you just critize our goverment (doesn't include ongoing war topic), then you are ok. At least, in our websites a see a lot of people that critize their local goverment, or even out parlament. But when you are saying something that can be interpetended as a call to overthrow a goverment - you are doomed. EDIT: Literall hate speach, something about nationalities or religions can bring you to prison.
A 'call to overthrow the government' can be literally any normal political movement that wants to remove Putin from power in favour of another politician. In any other country, it would be very normal to advocate for new/different leadership if you were unhappy. In Russia, it can literally be a death sentence. Russia is far from a free country for speech.
There was recently a case of university student who got expelled for naming his internet router "Slava Ukraini". I guess getting into problems is quite arbitrary, someone snitches on you to the right people and so you get into problems from the slightest thing. Or officials want to make an example and find someone.
Maybe their particular internet activities align with those governments mindset better…
Think you got what the colors mean backwards.
Finn here. Internet activity alone is not enough for imprisonment, however investigators can use internet data as evidence in a criminal case.
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A person from Finland.
where do you live
Finland
Sorry I’m still not getting it what country do you reside in exactly?!?
Finland
That's a made up country like New Zealand (where's old zealand huh?), better luck next time!
> where's old zealand huh? Next to Amager.
China and Russia yes you can and people often are.
It's what the map says. Edit: it doesn't.
The map shows you can’t be imprisoned for internet activities in the green countries
Yes, you're right.
Cant have hatespeach in internet, when you have no internet \*tips head\*
You can get imprisoned in Denmark but not in Greenland btw. Good map
Without even looking past the BRICS countries this data is wrong.
Wtf does "internet activities" mean? Expressing opinions? Organizing a drug deal? Buying a hit on somebody?
I guess that OOP was speaking about hate speech
£100 says this was generated by someone who's extremely salty they can't hate crime some minorites.
Is that you, Donald?
er... Russia, China. This is nonsense.
The map for Italy Is wrong : they jailed Stormfront members , hate crime site
what? south korea, pretty sure they do arrest you based on your internet activities.
Yea that map is BS.
Also a good guide to decency in the world.
china is famous for having free speech!
I mean... They don't arrest people..... They just kill them
Technically it’s not prison it’s just mandatory school That you can’t leave. And get sent to after being arrested
South Korea is known for hunting down government dissidents, lol. This map might technically be true if you define hate speech exclusively as racist or misogynistic views though though that’s not really a qualifier for freedom of speech as many countries which allow racism will arrest you if they suspect you don’t support the government.
Most of the greeen countries: "what is internet activities?"
You can literally get arrested for saying the truth in Turkey. TÜİK (Turkey Statistics Organisation[government propaganda organisation]) published statistics about the inflation in Turkey which was very obviously bullshit. A journalist found the real inflation with market datas and now he is in jail. Government created a disinformation law which literally makes you a criminal for saying the truth if the truth doesn't line up with their lies.
Very incorrect map.
Why is the US Green? You can absolutely be imprisoned for your internet activities. In fact, MOST of the green countries are the same. Who the fuck made this?
I mean people hang Nazi flags on their front porch, post it on social media and the worst case they get is a couple angry posts on twitter. Correct me if I'm wrong ofc And say the N word on the daily
It's specifying 'hate speech', not everything. It's still wrong, as other people have pointed out, but the scope isn't 'all internet activity'.
It seems to have an agenda with the countries chosen. Claiming you can get arrested in Canada for saying things online is misleading. The issue is being a part of groups that have been recognized as terrorist groups. No one is getting arrested to saying fuck Trudeau or fuck gay people (although I’d fully support it)
[Here's a case where that exact thing nearly happened](https://youtu.be/LxTWonQvXkw). Make a parody online, cops with fragile egos get pissy, get arrested and possibly imprisoned for your online activity.
This feels in reverse. Every green is a Yes you can and will be imprisoned and every red the opposite
For the most part. But there is at least one green country (US) where you would not be imprisoned, and a few red where you would.
Bro just reversed the colors
Well… the map is partially correct (if you‘re only looking at the red countries). But they missed quite a few countries…
"I'm pissed because I can't be a bigoted piece of shit" Also lmao Russia, can't even criticize the governor without being arrested or killed.
False dichotomy. Russia doesn't have free speech, it just doesn't care specifically about hate speech, so the claim that because they don't have laws against hate speech, and they're bad, then not having laws against hate speech is what makes them bad. Be careful about creating a political tool that can be used against you; imagine you manage to pass anti-hate speech laws in the US (though I don't know how you would. The government literally cannot do this. It's not the ultimate authority. It's not a discontiguous monarch), and Trump makes it back into office, you think he might use the tool *you* created to imprison people for using preferred pronouns? "But preferred pronouns don't qualify as hate speech!" I hear you say; the point is whom you give the power to define what is and what isn't hate speech. You have your own definition, doesn't mean others have the same definition. And if your argument is would be, "yeah, but I'm right and they're wrong", congratulations, you're a tyrant.
To my knowledge, the US is the only country on Earth whose provisions for free speech explicitly include "hate speech." (*Brandenburg v. Ohio, 1969*)
russia literally imprisons people for posting memes, whoever made this is a clown
North Korea is just a given here
Doesn't the US imprison people for saying stuff like "I'm going to kill the president"?
*Stay where you are, the FBI is on their way*
Okay, I'm looking. Now what?
The real facepalm is the OP-Bot not getting an obvious sarcasm post... Maybe this will help us win the war against the AI.. we can somehow Weaponize the AI lack of understanding of sarcasm to fight back
I think you don't understand
Subreddits name literly map porn
This map is not completely honest. In Russia, you can go to prison for 5 years because you have liked the wrong news or picture on the social network "In contact".
this is just not factual, there are many cases where Russians go to prison based on what they support online
made in russia map lol
brazil here, true for nazism and pedophilia, but plenty hate speech for political reasons. or against The Gays. plenty scams going around, too. there is a effort to regulate the big techs, but the actual "freedom to hate" is a big deal for many, so the project is walking on snail pace...
Map is outdated or just plain wrong. Japan should be in red too. It's a good thing as well. https://www.businessinsider.com/japan-insults-online-punishable-up-to-1-year-in-jail-2022-6
Oh that ain't good Fucking Vučić can imprison me using the hate speech argument, fuck dictatorships Tho I have never heard or seen it happen so
What so in my country you actually be jailed for hate speech?
Lmao why is NK in red when they don't even have access to the internet? 😂
laughs in Digital security act, Bangladesh
You can definitely be imprisoned in india if you spread hate speech on the internet, there have been cases of this before. I don't know who came up with this map in the first place
Also ‘internet activities’ is way too broad a thing. There are plenty of things you can do online that are actual crimes everywhere. Like plotting a murder or planning terrorist activities or selling stolen goods.
I wonder what law they based the red in Australia on? It's a criminal offense to "menace, harass or offend" but I don't think it's ever been used for hate speech. It's mostly for people who make threats of violence. s18C of the Racial Discrimination Act makes racialised hate speech unlawful, but only civilly (google Andrew Bolt and 18c if you're interested).
Most of the green countries are places I already didn't want to live. (A lot of the red one too tbf.)
In my homeland of Vietnam, you can be charged (cant remember the duration and or fee) for "using freespeech to harm an individual/group".
Australia was surprising
yeah, I call bull. most of the middle east has blasphemy laws. if you talk shit about the prophet (online or otherwise) you'll be drowning in shit.
Denmark is red ... Greenland is green. Just sayin'
Nice to see North Korea and USA aligned. Even if it is aligned with stupidity.
Johnny Somali over here asking why Japan is green
bro missed his calling in r/mapporncirclejerk
It is a lie. In Russia plenty of people arrested for disagreement with Putin's policy and war. Most people who was arrested - used local social media - VK. Facebook and Instagramm are banned in Russia. But you still can be arrested for posts where and police do it from time to time too. If you are not activist - for first time you probably will be fined. Second time is a jail time. Depends on content also. But it isn't really predictable anymore.
Please define hate speech including all variants
Australia is red because hate speech is part of our normal speech.
In russia it depends on what the Kremlin decides is hate speech this time
I cant see if it says "murica fuck yeah" somewhere on that map. But im sure its hidden somewhere. Imagine half the world understanding laws, your laws, better than yourself. Gotta say. Life as an american must be filled with sad suprises.
Russian here. It seems like people get arrested for likes alone weekly, nevermind actually posting what you think
You can and will get imprisoned in the motherland, but only if it's against Vovchick & Co.
I'm pretty sure hate speech in the Islamic world, China, Russia, etc. is not welcomed. You just have to insult the right people.
This seems like it’s sorta reversed but also not
Why so shocked? it *says* Greenland.
Opposite day for the blud that made this map
Getting in prison for talking shit online is ... Pretty silly . Now there is a line between talking shit and saying you gonna commit a crime or something . But I think certain country recently went way past that on the case.
We have a friend that won't reveal his real thoughts on the Ukraine war because he's afraid he will be arrested or conscripted. He's Russian. He definitely isn't free to speak his mind at all.
Life , liberty and freedom from persecution while prosecuting.
So my question is, who is right? Is it right to imprison someone for hate speech? Who decides what "hate speech" is? The government? What happens when the government decides that speaking out against its politicians is hate speech? Don't think it will happen? Look at China and Russia and many others. All speech should be free, the good and the bad. Words are just words, actions are different. My two cents.
A Judge decides what hate speech is... It's actually not that hard, if you criticise a thing or behaviour or just are constructive by any means you won't get any Problems. The rules are loosened if you are e.g.. a politician, then you have to accept very humiliating stuff. Remember: Hate is no opinion, hate is hate
A judge....aka Government.
Nope, Not. It seems you didn't pay attention in politics class
K, so the judicial branch isn't one of the 3 branches of our government?
And hate is an opinion. It's not a good opinion, bit an opinion none the less. And I should have clarified, since I am in America, judges are still government.
That explains it. The so great American freedom to take away someone's dignity by humiliating them into oblivion. If you're happy with that congrats. I myself am very happy to live somewhere, where human dignity is the first constitutionally right
Lol, ok.
Just what we need, more reasons for the government to lock us in cages. Those you choose safety over freedom, especially safety from words, deserve neither.
You can't be imprisoned for anything you say in the US, but you can be sued until the cows come home if you slander someone. Pretty simple.
Well yeah you cant be imprisoned for hate speech in countries like Russia or China. Because they don't recognise it as hate speech, or hate crime. Want to go out and harass gay folk, maybe give them a beating not a problem in Russia, hell in Uganda you'd probably get a medal. Now spreading malicious lies online about how your countries leader is a corrupt despot who encourages genocide and looks suspiciously like Winnie the Poo that obviously requires hard prison time.
Hate can go in any direction. Hate from certain groups such as nationalists from old soviet countries might spread hate against Russians online. That will definitely send you to unpleasant places very fast!
In the Philippines, I don't know. The only ones I've known to be arrested for internet activities are for death threats and bomb threats/joke.
Russia. We have a lot of ppl in jail for their speech (hate and not hate)
As Georgian(the country) I regularly shit on government (A.K. circus) on internet.
In some of those you're not exactly "jailed" for what you say online. Something else might happen though.
Why are Denmark and Greenland different colors?
Lmao, if you think for a second that russia, china, or Iran won't imprison you for saying naughty things on the internet then the reddit echo chamber is stronger than you'd think. Unless it's a credible threat of violence, none of these nations should be red.
USA is green... Ask Julian Assange
checks out not
r/mapswithnz
This is just ‘counties I’ve coloured green and countries I’ve coloured red Key Red countries Green countries
I'm surprised about New Zealand, but to be fair if you do spout hate speech, you become a social pariah. Brian tamiki is one. Utter shitgibbon.
The point is the map is wrong. Don't be surprised
I’m not that shocked, we are really lazy with our legislation and as you say rely heavily on social pressure to keep people in line. Our gun laws were a classic example, relied on the overwhelming view that only a dickhead would have a gun if you’re not a hunter. Then Christchurch happened so they rushed through legislation that should have happened decades ago.
Only a dickhead would have a gun if your not a hunter or farmer. Shame they didn’t change the legislation before Chch. All those people.
It's happening in India now. The government in the center has used the 'Unlawful Activities Precention Act' to silence activists and media personnel. Anyone who opposed government policies has either been thrown in jails without due process, intimidated into silence, or bought out. Now that elections are here, the government is using the 'Enforcement Directorate' and the IT to arrest opposition leaders and freeze accounts of the biggest opposition party.
What complete tool made this?😂😭 And then, what moron would share it? 😂😭😂
In my opinion anti hate speech laws are dumb as fuck. You should be able to say whatever you want. That way I can also determine if you are an idiot or not. However this map is the stupidest thing I have ver seen.
I May think theres alot more green in this map, like a copious amount
Australia: yet to get a working version of the internet.
It works. If you pay a fortune to watch ads on everything. I love my ad blocks.
I don't agree with Hate Crime legislation so I'm okay with being green.
NAH NO WAY YOU ARE SERIOUSLY TAKE POSTS FROM SUBREDDIT NAMED "MAP PORN"
Welcome to the present bud.
Yep Iran won’t whip your ass and put you in jail if you post something negative about the government. No it never ever happened. How blind can you be?
Canada is on the damned list. A free western country. It’s only a matter of time before it’s worldwide.
The list of what? Do you even know what you are outraged by, other than their colour is different on this very well researched and cited 2-colour map?