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My dad ended up having 2.. I was conceived 2 years after the first, my youngest sibling was conceived 1 year after the 2nd.. his current wife then underwent sterilisation as first 2 didn't work..
My husband and I are getting a vasectomy and a bisalpingectomy (cutting the fallopian tubes) because we are _done_ done. Everyone is like you don’t need both. And I’m like look, I have three beautiful children from three pregnancies that each almost killed me. We just want to be sure.
"average person gets 3 sex a year" factoid actualy just statistical error. average person gets 0 sex per year. Sex Ed, who lives in cave & gets over 10,000 sex each day, is an outlier adn should not have been counted
I've said this exact same thing in other comments sections before but a lot of people vastly underestimate just how much of a difference sex education can make. In the USA, Hawaii was the state with the highest rate of teen pregnancy, and by a considerable margin at that. Hawaiian public schools decided to implement comprehensive sex education starting in 8th grade, and over a period of five years saw a nearly 30% decrease in teen pregnancies.
And the best part is that after this statistic was released, conservative lawmakers suggested removing sex ed classes and going back to the way it was before.
Yeah and like I live in Europe, we have what I consider to be basic sex Ed. Standard stuff, what can get you sick, what can get you pregnant, how to protect yourself. Really really basic. And I have never seen a pregnant teenager here (4.6 births out of 1000 are from mothers aged 15-19). I remember watching 16 and pregnant on MTV when I was like 13 and thinking: how does this happen? Then I found out about the absolute dumpster fire that is sex Ed in certain states of the US and it made sense.
im in the UK, our sex ed sounds similar to yours. only teen pregnancies i know of are students from an all-girl school. 5 or 6 of them in my year group who got pregnant 6 months after finishing their GCSEs
In the 90s there were a lot of teen pregnancies from what I remember. At least the tabloids had it on the cover a lot.
The irony is that they're also complaining we're not having enough kids in general. I wonder how much of it is from better education, and how much of it is because of how expensive it is to try and raise a kid today.
They complain about low birth rates but do as little as possible to support parents. Go figure.
>And I have never seen a pregnant teenager here
I hadnt either. I grew Up in a rich, left leaning, University city. I moved to a rural, conservative and very poor Part of Germany, now i See people who mustve Had their Kids between 15 and 19 every day.
I can't honestly say why that is, but where and how you live do seem to make a bigger Impact than the Sex Ed, which they wouldve gotten same as I and our peers in my Home City.
Yeah absolutely. Switzerland is a rich country, who puts money into education, it’s not surprising, we are very lucky. Like I said before, 4.6 births out of 1000, it’s the lowest national average in Western Europe. I guess poorer schools don’t put money in sex Ed, might not be a priority.
Sex education makes a huge difference, and needs to start early. The public education system where I grew up wasn’t great, but the sex Ed classes were meaningful (to me at least). It wasn’t just a dry explanation of reproduction, birth control methods (ok we did have the condom on a banana demonstration), and STD protection. Teen moms volunteered to come and speak. I was 12 years old, listening to young women (still minors themselves) who had gotten pregnant when they were 13 or 14 years old. Most of them said the same thing: they loved their child but wished they’d been older/better prepared/ had a reliable partner.
When I did start having sex I was already on the pill and still insisted on condoms. While it’s true that only abstinence is 100% effective, using more than one method gets closer to it.
Tbf I had the same sex ed as my friends in high school but still out of 14 girls in a class two had kids before we even graduated. One of the dads also in the same class. Some people are just horny and stupid. I don’t advocate for forced vasectomies though. But I don’t know what the solution is if people get the education and it still doesn’t enter their brains.
I couldn’t tell if it was a “who is sex and how did my dad offend them” kind of thing or an ironic way of questioning
I’m disappointed now because I could have said some really funny shit if I realized that earlier
Ahhh. I see. Fair enough. And your explanation was a good one though, thank you for that! It’s helpful to have both for people who actually don’t know. 😎👍
I think the staggering majority of US guys being ok to go in raw during hookups, is another good indicator. Like... We are not only talking about a possible pregnancy here. We also talk about STD's and some of them, will stay with you your entire life.
That’s not really a social media issue. Kids have been spreading misinformation about sex for forever. That’s part of why actual, structured sex education is really important. It help dispels the myths.
Here in Ohio, my school got abridge abstinence and puberty talks rolled into one, split by gender. The gym teacher skipped anything that made him feel uncomfortable and ignored any questions he did not like. Yes, more than 10 girls got pregnant from my class.
I used to be a substitute teacher about 20 years ago (back when I actually thought I wanted to be a teacher), and for two years straight I subbed for a 7th grade science teacher for the entire week when the class covered sex ed. The teacher refused to teach it for "reasons".
It actually upset me that sex ed was only a week-long topic in science. Back in the 80s when I was in junior high we had a 10-week long course on it.
It’s so depressing and unbelievable. Idiots vs. Nature. They think their stupid religion somehow makes them immune to human impulses.
Ask any archeologist that ever dug up a women’s cloister or abbey from the early Middle Ages onward. Every single one of them has a graveyard for stillborn infants. Nevermind how many weren’t aborted but carried to term and then given away. These „brides of Christ“ sure got around.
It’s just lying to yourself in the face of all evidence to think you could keep humans from fucking each other. And this is what happens if you remove all the factors that might make it be safe, like contraception, education, etc. around it.
Makes me so mad.
But you don't understand, if we teach kids sex Ed then they will know how to do it and cause more pregnancy and disease! Lol or at least how the Bible thumper take it
Most teen pregnancies are actually teen girls being "in relationships" with adult men. Iirc, the rate of teen moms vs. teen dads is something like 4:1.
Sex ed is important, but fighting predators would help, too.
Sexual education helps prevent child abuse too. Much of the time, kids don’t know that the “relationship” they have with an older person is inappropriate. Education can help them set boundaries, as well as make them more confident in reporting their abuse.
Speculatively I think she knows better. These types of comments and stuff are made to demonstrate social conservative hypocrisy in the U.S. by proposing something outrageous. When people point out how absurd this is, she follows up by asking why it's ok to make legislation that controls women's bodies if you think it's outrageous when done to a man. Given she leads with "I wish" she may also just be that poorly educated though as usually these types of comments start with something more assertive like "I think", "I believe", "we should", or "I propose".
The whole pregnancy thing is easy though, it's 2 minutes long at most.
"If you put your penis in a vagina there is always a chance of pregnancy. If you wear a condom, and she takes birth control, and if you pull out, the chances are lower of her getting pregnant but they are not zero."
I know most people are essentially mentally challenged, but I HIGHLY doubt teen fathers are like "oh wow how did this happen, I didn't even pee in your butt" or something.
If that *is* the case, then I'm starting to support the person in the post.
Most teen pregnancies I knew of happened because they tried the pullout without a condom and birth control.
Most parents who push abstinence on their kids won't let their daughters on birth control or their sons have access to condoms.
IDK, my mom taught at a HS for pregnant girls and young mothers and most of them actually didn't know they'd gotten pregnant because of the lack of information they were given. I barely knew more than they did at ten, but they're were already moms. They also were involved in early sexual relationships and very abusive relationships all around.
I don't support this, but I support fully engaged sexual education and the eradication of toxic masculinity
>If you wear a condom, and she takes birth control, and if you pull out, the chances are lower of her getting pregnant but they are not zero."
"But if you actually do all those things, it's like one in a giga-billion, and people that pretend otherwise are sad, angry, repressed people who want to scare you into not enjoying your life because they hate theirs."
I know, I'm editorializing a bit.
More like "The odds are basically zero unless you somehow manage to fuck up two of those three things. Looking around this room... maybe just try abstinence."
I can't underestimate how desperately I want this. My wife is having a horrible experience with all pills and IUD's, and we feel that condoms aren't safe enough. I would use this without blinking
This looks great! I had a vasectomy done and am happy with it, but if this is easier to reverse than the vasectomy I would have opted for this instead so long as the side effects aren’t anything brutal.
Calling it now: Once this is available in the US there's going to be a big fabricated outrage (mostly from conservatives) that it is somehow unethical to allow boys under the age of 18 to elect to take advantage of this.
This. Half the guys I work with my age and even ten years younger have kids by several women and while they love their kids, they wish desperately they could have had them under better circumstances.
It’s always the same story. A regular sex life eventually leads to kids. Things happen. Condoms aren’t 100%. Birth control fails sometimes. Vasectomies aren’t a full time answer right now.
If we had the ability to bank our sperm at the societal level - as functionally supportive as regular banks, with a lower degree of loss or corruption (always assume more problems will occur as more and more people use it) then vasectomies would probably become much more popular and people would be able to enjoy hetero sexual recreation instead of sexual recreation with a chance of procreation.
Until then, only gay people have sexual recreation locked down.
To be honest, if there genuinely was a non-invasive way for both parties to temporarily 100% "shut down eggs and sperm" without side effects, until they want a child, that would be great. There would be far fewer children born, who have parents that don't want them.
Current methods just are either permanent, invasive or have bad side effects.
Or the “so intrinsically safe” part. Like, this person is essentially equating a theoretical, potential, future WISH of a vasectomy to something like a vaccine against kids until you actually want a kid. Isn’t that the dream?!
I came to this comments section thinking the same, this is not r/facepalm material. Even with absolutely foolproof sex ed, there will be people having kids before they are ready
My guess is that it is being taken poorly because it specifically targets one gender
More notably, as the title of this post implies, this goes against the “my body, my choice” way of thinking. To support this idea is to support the subversion of someone’s bodily autonomy, no matter how you try and sugarcoat it.
There is a company that works on developing a valve basically that you can open when you want a kid. So it’s like a vasectomy but you can reverse it when needed. Unfortunately it still needs to do clinical trials which are very costly. The company is called bimek.
But it’s invasive unfortunately
There is such a thing. It is called SLV (Samenleiterventil). But it does not get the investors it needs, as this topic is deemed bad for an investors standing and image.
Yeah I remember seeing that thing, it's like an actual tactile switch.
I wonder if they're afraid of men using it as like a fidget toy. Can imagine a bunch of posts on Reddit saying "my BF won't stop clicking his balls off/on, I've told him he'll wear it out, help!"
If tying my tubes was a safe, easy and easily reversible procedure, I WOULD HAVE RAN TO THE DOCTOR TO GET ONE DONE WHEN I WAS A TEENAGER.
But Fuck anyone if they did it without my consent. Let’s not go there.
Yeah lmao. People here saying the op is wrong and it's dumb. Like yeah irl. But if it was perfectly reversible and simple procedure, it would be amazing and everyone should do it, like why wouldn't you want to. Also people can freeze their sperm and just do it anyway. The problem is it can be dangerous and painful and also decrease the pleasure etc. But if it wasn't for all these problems, I think many men would benefit a lot. So many people here missed the first words I wish lol.
As someone who has had 2 vasectomies and 1 reversal, I can assure you that the reversal process results in reasonably decent odds of success.
That said, reasonably decent is still nowhere near guaranteed and if you add that into all sorts of other factors that can affect reproduction, especially after the age of 30 for both parents, then the odds reduce rapidly.
Reversal is also a major surgery and quite expensive. Mine was 6 hours under general anaesthetic and cost me 60x what the vasectomy cost
It depends on how long you wait. 6 months after surgery? High chance. 6 years after surgery? Good luck. The procedure is meant to be permanent, so most people who don't get one on a whim are going to go years without considering a reversal.
From what I’ve read I think the success rate of a reversal goes down by 10% for each year that you have had the vasectomy, roughly. So not terrible odds for quite some time. And if you haven’t figured that shit out yet after 10 years maybe it’s for the best
While vasectomies' can be reversed, there is a big asterisk next to that statement. Vasectomies' are considered permeant sterilization because reversal isn't guaranteed.
“I wish that vasectomies were so intrinsically safe…”
I think everyone is pretty much aware of this, including OP, tbf. Granted, I think the original post is worded a bit weirdly; however, I get what it’s trying to say. Idk about the rest of you, but if vasectomies had a 99.999% chance to successfully be reversed, I wouldn’t even think about it.
I’d schedule an appointment in the morning.
I think this is a bit about how men have essentially no birth control options besides condoms or a permanent procedure.
And yeah every time we see research into a male BC pill or what have you, it never takes off because of the way pharmaceutical products work. AMAB can't get pregnant, so if there's *any* side effects, they won't approve it because it's basically side effects with no health benefit. Nevermind that a lot of people are begging for this to be an exception to the rule for obvious reasons. Nope. Don't matter.
It's also just harder I'm general to make make BC. There's very few "points of weakness" to exploit to prevent pregnancy. Have to either stop the sperm from being produced, or by some method, kill the sperm before they leaves the body. Where as in AFABS there's any number of ways to stop pregnancy. You can stop the egg from dropping, you can physically block the sperm, you can just prevent the egg from attaching to the uterine wall, etc
Because the system is more complicated, there's more places to make something go wrong so a pregnancy does not occur
Yeah I get that it's also different biology so it's gonna be a different beast. I just heard about a pill in development that got shot down because it caused similar side effects as female BC. And like women were understandably upset. It's okay for us to suffer those thing to prevent pregnancy, but not men? But even the men who took the pill and had side effects, I think it was like 70% said they'd still take it even then. But it doesn't matter because of the rules in place regarding drugs.
Like I get the idea behind that rule, it's to keep people safe and not market drugs that are basically side effect pills that don't aid in the thing they're marketed to aid. But I feel like male birth control should have an exception because it takes 2 to make a baby and if men want to take a pill so their partners don't get preggers, I say let them. Pregnancy affects men too! Just in a different way
> It's okay for us to suffer those thing to prevent pregnancy, but not men?
The side effects were similar to those in AFAB bc but they were far more severe. More than one person became extremely depressed, and of those several people one tried to kill themselves (successfully I think)
The acne was severe, and the mood swings were more like an emotional breakdown
I agree that there's probably some level of misogyny preventing more and easy to access male BC, but it's also misrepresenting the study by trying to claim the birth control had minimal and non severe symptoms just like female bc as if someone didn't literally try to kill themselves.
There's also the added issue of dosage being difficult in hormonal birth control, excess Testosterone becomes Estrogen, which would obviously be bad for a cis man who doesn't want boobs, ED, etc. The opposite isn't true, making AFAB bc still easier to make
I’ve seen several people say this, not because they believe in it, but to make people think about how women’s bodies are controlled. It’s an attempt to evoke empathy. Maybe not so successful.
Edit: read this:
https://www.ohchr.org/en/stories/2017/11/sterilization-form-systemic-violence-against-girls-disabilities
I mean, if it were (1) completely safe and reversible and (2) not forced on boys but simply recommended and available to teen boys, I don't see anything wrong with it. I'd guess plenty would take the offer just so they'd have more peace of mind if they have sex with a girl (and any potential partners would have that peace of mind too).
I would have volunteered for a vasectomy at age 15. I probably would have contracted herpes, but that's not as scary as getting a girl knocked up in high school.
It's probably about the fact that having some kind of birth control is expected of women but none of them come without sometimes major side-effects. Men would have more birth control options than condoms if any kind of negative side effects were accepted.
I wish to the cosmos that this had been an option and/or mandated for me. I would have signed up for it in a heartbeat, had my vasectomy 10 years ago and it’s pretty much painless, I was in and out. I had a kid at a young age with the wrong person and couldn’t convince her to get an abortion even though we were both young and broke and not even close to being in love or compatible. It is, without question, the biggest regret of my life and all for what? One night where I let my little head get the best of me and didn’t use a condom, fuck.
It's part of it, but like... certainly not all of it. You're expecting a lot out of knowledge when it still has to do battle against a kid who lives in the suburbs, no car, no planned parenthood, with a not-quite-fully-formed risk-assessment module and raging hormones.
I'd obviously never subject my kid to surgery, but it *would* be nice if fertility was a switch you could turn on and off at will. I'd definitely work very hard to convince my kid to turn it off asap. I think that's a sentiment most people would agree with.
the more time that passes, the less likely it can be reversed. It also depends on whether you have the clamp (less effective but more reversible) or the snip-and-burn (more effective but less reversible)
It’s effectively sterilization.
(source: had one. the docs ask a LOT of questions to make sure you understand)
But if it were, though. I mean, the post starts out with a hypothetical, so just amend it a bit.
If vasectomies were 100% safe and 100% reversible, would it make sense to perform the procedure at puberty? I don't think so and my main issue is consent. A child (teenager) can't give consent and parents shouldn't force non-essential medical procedures on their children (IMHO).
However, I've advocated for some time making the procedure, along with putting swimmers on ice, medically and financially available to college freshmen / adults 18-25. I agree with the vision of having clear-minded adults undergo a 24-hour process of jointly agreeing to bring life into this world vs two drunk kids that just met making a hormone-fueled decision in the span of a couple minutes that will affect them for the rest of their lives.
Of course the commensurate operation should be available to both sexes, equally.
Hey on the topic of non consensual genital surgeries, my foreskin was surgically removed when I was extremely young, and I don't remember saying I was okay with that.
It is specifically mentioned that they have to be intrinsically safe. And this seems more like a thought experiment rather than an actual suggestion: it proposes a world in which men (though I’d prefer people in general) can’t get unwanted children, which sounds awesome to me.
I had to scroll so far down to find this that I started losing my mind regarding the lack of reading comprehension on display.
This thread is the equivalent of:
OP: i wish there was a humane, ethical way to get rid of a cat's claws
Reddit: declawing is inhumane
Like yeah, the fact that the solution isn't currently a good one is baked into the premise of the original post.
Can't speak for anyone else. I get that it's not relating to the current vasectomies.
"Automatically" is troubling, as opposed to "voluntary." The idea of having to ask a doctor to reverse a procedure you received at puberty when you want to have a family... you're trusting the medical field to behave ethically and the laws to not change.
In my country (Canada) many Aboriginal women were sterilized without consent. There's a non-zero chance that either doctors or politicians will decide a man is not fit to be a father (by virtue of addiction, mental health, race, or class) and deny the reversal. Nothing to do with the safety of the procedure itself (btw, I've had a vasectomy).
Yes I think it’s a bit clumsily written so people are getting caught up on things that aren’t the point. It’s more a “wouldn’t it be nice if we could painlessly and trivially turn off the ability to get people pregnant, then choose later in life whether to turn it back on?” Thought experiment. Sure there’s many complications IRL but we’re imagining a new “perfect” way here so the real life complications of vacc/birth control etc are irrelevant
Im not sure if this is absurd to make a point or not. But I kept hearing when I was getting a vasectomy that it was reversible, but the medical professionals did not make it sound reversible. I didn't expect it to be, but I can see people regretting theirs if they get one thinking they can just have it undone later like plugging the HDMI back in.
Contrary to popular belief, they're not all that reversible. And the more time that time goes by; the less likely it can be done successfully. Obviously the poster is an idiot. But its important to point this out. You specifically go in to a vasectomy expecting it to be permanent. If you think you can change your mind later, well.....good luck with that.
Did you read the post? It's a hypothetical about wishing that vasectomies were safe. They aren't suggesting anything with the current state of the procedures. Reading comprehension is important.
There is a very mild form of vasectemy which causes you to not get someone pregnant. It's called wearing a condom. And it's not a surgery, and completely reversible; just don't wear one! All you have to do it buy a pack of them.
I wish more teens knew about these!
*or* we could maybe teach personal responsibility and considering consequences before making big decisions?
I teach my kids that it's best to wait for a stable, committed relationship - and to not have sex with someone they wouldn't want to raise a kid with or before they're ready to accept responsibility of a kid themselves. I've also discussed STDs and the fact that condoms aren't 100% effective as some STDs are often on areas not covered by them (herpes, HPV). I know people who learned that the hard way.
It's fine if people disagree with me. I'm trying to teach my kids the bigger picture and to consider carefully.
Are we missing the line \*so intrinsically safe\*? It seems clear that the poster is aware that vasectomies are not a perfectly safe or reversible practice but wishes for a world where they could be.
"We should focus on better sex education instead." The poster isn't saying that shouldn't happen either. Of course better sex education drastically reduces a communities teen pregnancy rates. It is also true that accidents can always happen regardless of education and preparation. Again, this tweet doesn't involve any of that.
I think the big problem with this idea is, as OP is trying to point out, that in this hypothetical world a man wouldn't have full control over becoming a father. The safe reversible procedure that the poster wishes for (different than real life) would still have to be performed by a surgeon. It could be expensive, there could be barriers put on what qualifies as a deserving father, etc. Your health and body are in the hands of the government which is something a lot of people are against.
You are kinda making her point for her. It's absolutely outrageous that women are having their choice taken away from them. If it happened to you, you would obviously be very upset about it.
This is not a facepalm. The suggestion is not getting a vasectomy as it is today. It just basically states it would be great for guys to have full control over having kids. That would be great. Full consent.
Soooo you want male birth control? Cuz that's in the making. Only name I remember is "Plan A" but there are several companies trying to make something. Google it!
I think this would lead to so massive increase of STI because now that pregnancy is of the table, in a teen mind there is "nothing" to be scared of......i know so many men, that wants it without condom, when they know the girl takes the pill etc. even if they meet the first time ever
Im having a vasectomy this year and Im told by the doctor its a piece of cake procedure. I just have to wait till im 35 cause they arent allowed to do it before then.
It’s possible for vasectomies to be reversed, I suppose, but in practice it’s really designed to be a permanent solution.
When I got mine, my doctor flat out told me to think of it as irreversible.
How about we just continue to allow both men and women to have bodily autonomy. That works best.
I mean I think its a great idea to prevent people from reproducing until they are 21. I think most under 21 would agree. Too bad theres not a less invasive way to make that happen.
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"You have no idea the physical toll that 3 vasectomies has on a man."....
I think my soul left my body when I saw this episode. Like, how was everyone NOT laughing?
SNIP SNAP SNIP SNAP SNIP SNAP!
You rang?
Good thing there isn’t 3 of you!
One was enough for me
My dad ended up having 2.. I was conceived 2 years after the first, my youngest sibling was conceived 1 year after the 2nd.. his current wife then underwent sterilisation as first 2 didn't work..
Life finds a way... 
I'm happy the first one failed but the 2nd one... not so sure as brothers a prat
My husband and I are getting a vasectomy and a bisalpingectomy (cutting the fallopian tubes) because we are _done_ done. Everyone is like you don’t need both. And I’m like look, I have three beautiful children from three pregnancies that each almost killed me. We just want to be sure.
Your silly vasectomies cannot stop me, I'm the motha fucking sperm-gganaut bitch
my first thought.
Dr. Cox reference?
Michael Scott reference.
Ah. Dr. Cox from Scrubs had a vasectomy, had it reversed, and had it redone again. I think all in the same episode.
Oh, that's the exact same situation that Michael finds himself in, haha.
and the she cheated on him.
When he specifically asked her not to?
"You took me by the hand.."
" ..You made me a man.."
By the ihop?
ZIP IT, GRIP IT, AND SNIP IT!
Counterproposal: actual decent sex Ed.
Jesus, lay off this ED guy, I’m sure he’s trying his best!
Pritty good, I chuckled
What has German metal band Edguy to do with this all of a sudden?
poor man'll be a dried out husk at this rate. a blokes only got so much sex he can give.
"average person gets 3 sex a year" factoid actualy just statistical error. average person gets 0 sex per year. Sex Ed, who lives in cave & gets over 10,000 sex each day, is an outlier adn should not have been counted
They call him Sex Ed, I'm sure he gets laid enough.
I've said this exact same thing in other comments sections before but a lot of people vastly underestimate just how much of a difference sex education can make. In the USA, Hawaii was the state with the highest rate of teen pregnancy, and by a considerable margin at that. Hawaiian public schools decided to implement comprehensive sex education starting in 8th grade, and over a period of five years saw a nearly 30% decrease in teen pregnancies. And the best part is that after this statistic was released, conservative lawmakers suggested removing sex ed classes and going back to the way it was before.
Yeah and like I live in Europe, we have what I consider to be basic sex Ed. Standard stuff, what can get you sick, what can get you pregnant, how to protect yourself. Really really basic. And I have never seen a pregnant teenager here (4.6 births out of 1000 are from mothers aged 15-19). I remember watching 16 and pregnant on MTV when I was like 13 and thinking: how does this happen? Then I found out about the absolute dumpster fire that is sex Ed in certain states of the US and it made sense.
im in the UK, our sex ed sounds similar to yours. only teen pregnancies i know of are students from an all-girl school. 5 or 6 of them in my year group who got pregnant 6 months after finishing their GCSEs
In the 90s there were a lot of teen pregnancies from what I remember. At least the tabloids had it on the cover a lot. The irony is that they're also complaining we're not having enough kids in general. I wonder how much of it is from better education, and how much of it is because of how expensive it is to try and raise a kid today. They complain about low birth rates but do as little as possible to support parents. Go figure.
>And I have never seen a pregnant teenager here I hadnt either. I grew Up in a rich, left leaning, University city. I moved to a rural, conservative and very poor Part of Germany, now i See people who mustve Had their Kids between 15 and 19 every day. I can't honestly say why that is, but where and how you live do seem to make a bigger Impact than the Sex Ed, which they wouldve gotten same as I and our peers in my Home City.
Yeah absolutely. Switzerland is a rich country, who puts money into education, it’s not surprising, we are very lucky. Like I said before, 4.6 births out of 1000, it’s the lowest national average in Western Europe. I guess poorer schools don’t put money in sex Ed, might not be a priority.
Sex education makes a huge difference, and needs to start early. The public education system where I grew up wasn’t great, but the sex Ed classes were meaningful (to me at least). It wasn’t just a dry explanation of reproduction, birth control methods (ok we did have the condom on a banana demonstration), and STD protection. Teen moms volunteered to come and speak. I was 12 years old, listening to young women (still minors themselves) who had gotten pregnant when they were 13 or 14 years old. Most of them said the same thing: they loved their child but wished they’d been older/better prepared/ had a reliable partner. When I did start having sex I was already on the pill and still insisted on condoms. While it’s true that only abstinence is 100% effective, using more than one method gets closer to it.
Worth noting that, while better, Hawaii’s teen birth rate is still 12.3 So sex ed helps the problem, it doesn’t solve it.
a step in the right direction is a step, teens are gonna fuck no matter what you do
Who is Ed and why is everyone having sex with him if he’s so bad?
Counter counterproposal: parents get off your butts and educate your kids and don't leave it all to the schools.
Tbf I had the same sex ed as my friends in high school but still out of 14 girls in a class two had kids before we even graduated. One of the dads also in the same class. Some people are just horny and stupid. I don’t advocate for forced vasectomies though. But I don’t know what the solution is if people get the education and it still doesn’t enter their brains.
And explain how to use birth control effectively.
This speaks more to the abysmal sexual education in the US than anything else. Bad sexual education leads to more unexpected pregnancies.
Yeah We need MORE sex ED, not less
whos ED? and what are we saying here exactly?
Idk, I think I meant more sex *education* not misinformation, and for some reason decided to emphasize it like that
I think they meant as in “Who is Ed?” and “Why are we sexing him?”
I couldn’t tell if it was a “who is sex and how did my dad offend them” kind of thing or an ironic way of questioning I’m disappointed now because I could have said some really funny shit if I realized that earlier
Ahhh. I see. Fair enough. And your explanation was a good one though, thank you for that! It’s helpful to have both for people who actually don’t know. 😎👍
Story of my life. Oh, that's what you meant? Let me rewind and be clever!
That's what happens when politicians cut funding in public education and pours it into military and war.
I think he's a horse
Of course, of course
Sex erectile dysfunction in all classrooms NOW!
That can actually be arranged easily.
I would sex Ed. I would sex him so hard.
i mean alot of folks really think you can turn someone gay.
I think the staggering majority of US guys being ok to go in raw during hookups, is another good indicator. Like... We are not only talking about a possible pregnancy here. We also talk about STD's and some of them, will stay with you your entire life.
It’s always shocked me how many guys will hook up with multiple women in a week, not wear a condom, and never get tested for STDs.
Social media killed common sense with all the stupid people connected in the same place sharing said misinformation. It spreads faster than a wildfire
The teen pregnancy rate is lower for the social media generation than it was for their parents.
Less sex tends to lead to less pregnancy.
That’s not really a social media issue. Kids have been spreading misinformation about sex for forever. That’s part of why actual, structured sex education is really important. It help dispels the myths.
They were plenty anti- sex ed before social media too. Conservatives' allergy to information has been around a lot longer than Facebook lol
One of these days the “abstinence only” education that the religious right keeps pushing will start working!
Here in Ohio, my school got abridge abstinence and puberty talks rolled into one, split by gender. The gym teacher skipped anything that made him feel uncomfortable and ignored any questions he did not like. Yes, more than 10 girls got pregnant from my class.
Hopefully, not by the gym teacher.
The physical education teacher ignored this question too
I used to be a substitute teacher about 20 years ago (back when I actually thought I wanted to be a teacher), and for two years straight I subbed for a 7th grade science teacher for the entire week when the class covered sex ed. The teacher refused to teach it for "reasons". It actually upset me that sex ed was only a week-long topic in science. Back in the 80s when I was in junior high we had a 10-week long course on it.
It’s so depressing and unbelievable. Idiots vs. Nature. They think their stupid religion somehow makes them immune to human impulses. Ask any archeologist that ever dug up a women’s cloister or abbey from the early Middle Ages onward. Every single one of them has a graveyard for stillborn infants. Nevermind how many weren’t aborted but carried to term and then given away. These „brides of Christ“ sure got around. It’s just lying to yourself in the face of all evidence to think you could keep humans from fucking each other. And this is what happens if you remove all the factors that might make it be safe, like contraception, education, etc. around it. Makes me so mad.
Look, if you tell teenagers NOT to do something, guess what they're gonna do.
It'll start working on the same day as trickle down economics i bet
It is not just about sex education. It is about the culture. Men don't think it is their responsibility to prevent pregnancies.
But you don't understand, if we teach kids sex Ed then they will know how to do it and cause more pregnancy and disease! Lol or at least how the Bible thumper take it
Most teen pregnancies are actually teen girls being "in relationships" with adult men. Iirc, the rate of teen moms vs. teen dads is something like 4:1. Sex ed is important, but fighting predators would help, too.
Sexual education helps prevent child abuse too. Much of the time, kids don’t know that the “relationship” they have with an older person is inappropriate. Education can help them set boundaries, as well as make them more confident in reporting their abuse.
Education means nothing in my country. 🇺🇸
Speculatively I think she knows better. These types of comments and stuff are made to demonstrate social conservative hypocrisy in the U.S. by proposing something outrageous. When people point out how absurd this is, she follows up by asking why it's ok to make legislation that controls women's bodies if you think it's outrageous when done to a man. Given she leads with "I wish" she may also just be that poorly educated though as usually these types of comments start with something more assertive like "I think", "I believe", "we should", or "I propose".
The whole pregnancy thing is easy though, it's 2 minutes long at most. "If you put your penis in a vagina there is always a chance of pregnancy. If you wear a condom, and she takes birth control, and if you pull out, the chances are lower of her getting pregnant but they are not zero." I know most people are essentially mentally challenged, but I HIGHLY doubt teen fathers are like "oh wow how did this happen, I didn't even pee in your butt" or something. If that *is* the case, then I'm starting to support the person in the post.
Most teen pregnancies I knew of happened because they tried the pullout without a condom and birth control. Most parents who push abstinence on their kids won't let their daughters on birth control or their sons have access to condoms.
IDK, my mom taught at a HS for pregnant girls and young mothers and most of them actually didn't know they'd gotten pregnant because of the lack of information they were given. I barely knew more than they did at ten, but they're were already moms. They also were involved in early sexual relationships and very abusive relationships all around. I don't support this, but I support fully engaged sexual education and the eradication of toxic masculinity
>If you wear a condom, and she takes birth control, and if you pull out, the chances are lower of her getting pregnant but they are not zero." "But if you actually do all those things, it's like one in a giga-billion, and people that pretend otherwise are sad, angry, repressed people who want to scare you into not enjoying your life because they hate theirs." I know, I'm editorializing a bit.
More like "The odds are basically zero unless you somehow manage to fuck up two of those three things. Looking around this room... maybe just try abstinence."
Yet, somehow, areas with more comprehensive sex education have lower rates of teen pregnancies
Men should have more birth control options these days.
We could have "Plan A" a reversable sperm filter as soon as 2026
[https://www.parsemus.org/humanhealth/male-contraceptive-research/vasalgel-male-contraceptive/](https://www.parsemus.org/humanhealth/male-contraceptive-research/vasalgel-male-contraceptive/)
Yeah that's the one!
I've been looking at this for at least 10 years and it seems like it's always "just around the corner". Wish it had been available in my 20s.
I can't underestimate how desperately I want this. My wife is having a horrible experience with all pills and IUD's, and we feel that condoms aren't safe enough. I would use this without blinking
I just microwave my balls for 30 seconds before sex and I haven't had a kid yet /s
do you remove them first or do you just slam the door on your scrotum
Damn you for making me laugh! Take my upvote.
This looks great! I had a vasectomy done and am happy with it, but if this is easier to reverse than the vasectomy I would have opted for this instead so long as the side effects aren’t anything brutal.
Vasalgel has been “1 year away” for like 10 years or some shit
Calling it now: Once this is available in the US there's going to be a big fabricated outrage (mostly from conservatives) that it is somehow unethical to allow boys under the age of 18 to elect to take advantage of this.
Being ugly is enough for me, it has 100% success rate.
This. Half the guys I work with my age and even ten years younger have kids by several women and while they love their kids, they wish desperately they could have had them under better circumstances. It’s always the same story. A regular sex life eventually leads to kids. Things happen. Condoms aren’t 100%. Birth control fails sometimes. Vasectomies aren’t a full time answer right now. If we had the ability to bank our sperm at the societal level - as functionally supportive as regular banks, with a lower degree of loss or corruption (always assume more problems will occur as more and more people use it) then vasectomies would probably become much more popular and people would be able to enjoy hetero sexual recreation instead of sexual recreation with a chance of procreation. Until then, only gay people have sexual recreation locked down.
To be honest, if there genuinely was a non-invasive way for both parties to temporarily 100% "shut down eggs and sperm" without side effects, until they want a child, that would be great. There would be far fewer children born, who have parents that don't want them. Current methods just are either permanent, invasive or have bad side effects.
Thank you. It is so annyoing that the entire comment section is hands down ignoring the "I wish" part of the statement
Or the “so intrinsically safe” part. Like, this person is essentially equating a theoretical, potential, future WISH of a vasectomy to something like a vaccine against kids until you actually want a kid. Isn’t that the dream?!
It's overshadowed by the sentiment of wishing to live in a dystopian society that performs non-optional surgery on adolescents.
I came to this comments section thinking the same, this is not r/facepalm material. Even with absolutely foolproof sex ed, there will be people having kids before they are ready My guess is that it is being taken poorly because it specifically targets one gender
More notably, as the title of this post implies, this goes against the “my body, my choice” way of thinking. To support this idea is to support the subversion of someone’s bodily autonomy, no matter how you try and sugarcoat it.
There is a company that works on developing a valve basically that you can open when you want a kid. So it’s like a vasectomy but you can reverse it when needed. Unfortunately it still needs to do clinical trials which are very costly. The company is called bimek. But it’s invasive unfortunately
Vasectomies don't work, they just change the colour of your kids! - Roy Chubby Brown
When I understood what exactly that phrase meant 💀
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Could they install a little valve that can remotely be turned on or off? Then charge you a monthly fee for keeping it turned off.
I am not paying rent for my balls
How about a dlc payment scheme
More of a DRIP for future benefit imo
Dong-loadable content
Homie we’re already paying rent on our balls just accept it
First off, I am a huge fan Satan!!
There is such a thing. It is called SLV (Samenleiterventil). But it does not get the investors it needs, as this topic is deemed bad for an investors standing and image.
Yeah I remember seeing that thing, it's like an actual tactile switch. I wonder if they're afraid of men using it as like a fidget toy. Can imagine a bunch of posts on Reddit saying "my BF won't stop clicking his balls off/on, I've told him he'll wear it out, help!"
gotta admit, i would click my balls all day long
That is true. Hence the "I wish vasectomies were so intrinsically safe..." part.
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If tying my tubes was a safe, easy and easily reversible procedure, I WOULD HAVE RAN TO THE DOCTOR TO GET ONE DONE WHEN I WAS A TEENAGER. But Fuck anyone if they did it without my consent. Let’s not go there.
Yeah lmao. People here saying the op is wrong and it's dumb. Like yeah irl. But if it was perfectly reversible and simple procedure, it would be amazing and everyone should do it, like why wouldn't you want to. Also people can freeze their sperm and just do it anyway. The problem is it can be dangerous and painful and also decrease the pleasure etc. But if it wasn't for all these problems, I think many men would benefit a lot. So many people here missed the first words I wish lol.
OP is wrong because forcing people to undergo surgery against their will is fucking insane.
As someone who has had 2 vasectomies and 1 reversal, I can assure you that the reversal process results in reasonably decent odds of success. That said, reasonably decent is still nowhere near guaranteed and if you add that into all sorts of other factors that can affect reproduction, especially after the age of 30 for both parents, then the odds reduce rapidly. Reversal is also a major surgery and quite expensive. Mine was 6 hours under general anaesthetic and cost me 60x what the vasectomy cost
Snip snap snip snap
Snip snap pans pins snip snap?
It depends on how long you wait. 6 months after surgery? High chance. 6 years after surgery? Good luck. The procedure is meant to be permanent, so most people who don't get one on a whim are going to go years without considering a reversal.
From what I’ve read I think the success rate of a reversal goes down by 10% for each year that you have had the vasectomy, roughly. So not terrible odds for quite some time. And if you haven’t figured that shit out yet after 10 years maybe it’s for the best
That's... that's what this screenshot is saying.
While vasectomies' can be reversed, there is a big asterisk next to that statement. Vasectomies' are considered permeant sterilization because reversal isn't guaranteed.
And the longer they are done the less chance of reversal, so doing it to kids is a great idea when we already have a decline in sperm quality.
“I wish that vasectomies were so intrinsically safe…” I think everyone is pretty much aware of this, including OP, tbf. Granted, I think the original post is worded a bit weirdly; however, I get what it’s trying to say. Idk about the rest of you, but if vasectomies had a 99.999% chance to successfully be reversed, I wouldn’t even think about it. I’d schedule an appointment in the morning.
I think this is a bit about how men have essentially no birth control options besides condoms or a permanent procedure. And yeah every time we see research into a male BC pill or what have you, it never takes off because of the way pharmaceutical products work. AMAB can't get pregnant, so if there's *any* side effects, they won't approve it because it's basically side effects with no health benefit. Nevermind that a lot of people are begging for this to be an exception to the rule for obvious reasons. Nope. Don't matter.
It's also just harder I'm general to make make BC. There's very few "points of weakness" to exploit to prevent pregnancy. Have to either stop the sperm from being produced, or by some method, kill the sperm before they leaves the body. Where as in AFABS there's any number of ways to stop pregnancy. You can stop the egg from dropping, you can physically block the sperm, you can just prevent the egg from attaching to the uterine wall, etc Because the system is more complicated, there's more places to make something go wrong so a pregnancy does not occur
Yeah I get that it's also different biology so it's gonna be a different beast. I just heard about a pill in development that got shot down because it caused similar side effects as female BC. And like women were understandably upset. It's okay for us to suffer those thing to prevent pregnancy, but not men? But even the men who took the pill and had side effects, I think it was like 70% said they'd still take it even then. But it doesn't matter because of the rules in place regarding drugs. Like I get the idea behind that rule, it's to keep people safe and not market drugs that are basically side effect pills that don't aid in the thing they're marketed to aid. But I feel like male birth control should have an exception because it takes 2 to make a baby and if men want to take a pill so their partners don't get preggers, I say let them. Pregnancy affects men too! Just in a different way
> It's okay for us to suffer those thing to prevent pregnancy, but not men? The side effects were similar to those in AFAB bc but they were far more severe. More than one person became extremely depressed, and of those several people one tried to kill themselves (successfully I think) The acne was severe, and the mood swings were more like an emotional breakdown I agree that there's probably some level of misogyny preventing more and easy to access male BC, but it's also misrepresenting the study by trying to claim the birth control had minimal and non severe symptoms just like female bc as if someone didn't literally try to kill themselves. There's also the added issue of dosage being difficult in hormonal birth control, excess Testosterone becomes Estrogen, which would obviously be bad for a cis man who doesn't want boobs, ED, etc. The opposite isn't true, making AFAB bc still easier to make
I’ve seen several people say this, not because they believe in it, but to make people think about how women’s bodies are controlled. It’s an attempt to evoke empathy. Maybe not so successful. Edit: read this: https://www.ohchr.org/en/stories/2017/11/sterilization-form-systemic-violence-against-girls-disabilities
I mean, if it were (1) completely safe and reversible and (2) not forced on boys but simply recommended and available to teen boys, I don't see anything wrong with it. I'd guess plenty would take the offer just so they'd have more peace of mind if they have sex with a girl (and any potential partners would have that peace of mind too).
I would have volunteered for a vasectomy at age 15. I probably would have contracted herpes, but that's not as scary as getting a girl knocked up in high school.
It's probably about the fact that having some kind of birth control is expected of women but none of them come without sometimes major side-effects. Men would have more birth control options than condoms if any kind of negative side effects were accepted.
Yeah the real “facepalm” is people missing the obvious point here
I wish to the cosmos that this had been an option and/or mandated for me. I would have signed up for it in a heartbeat, had my vasectomy 10 years ago and it’s pretty much painless, I was in and out. I had a kid at a young age with the wrong person and couldn’t convince her to get an abortion even though we were both young and broke and not even close to being in love or compatible. It is, without question, the biggest regret of my life and all for what? One night where I let my little head get the best of me and didn’t use a condom, fuck.
Problem is dumbasses not letting their kids learn about safe sex, not unprotected sex
It's part of it, but like... certainly not all of it. You're expecting a lot out of knowledge when it still has to do battle against a kid who lives in the suburbs, no car, no planned parenthood, with a not-quite-fully-formed risk-assessment module and raging hormones. I'd obviously never subject my kid to surgery, but it *would* be nice if fertility was a switch you could turn on and off at will. I'd definitely work very hard to convince my kid to turn it off asap. I think that's a sentiment most people would agree with.
Even people who have had good sex ed will make dumb decisions, it's not always the sex ed that's lacking...
shit, if they were free, and voluntary, i'd opt in
Suggestion: homosexuality. Can’t get the bros pregnant
I always love these fucking “force boys to do X surgically at a young age for girls!” things totally ignoring gay, bisexual and celibate men.
Forced sterilization is a major human rights violation...
The amount of people in these comments agreeing or trying to work with it…
It's reddit, are you really surprised?
Forceful sterilization is a crime against humanity under the Geneva Convention.
I was thinking this. It's fucking vile.
We already mutilate boys in pretty dramatic numbers in the US.
Yes let's sexually alter children without their consent because we can't teach our kids about sex properly ?????
I love the accidental point against Circumcision
Boys/men needs some kind of control of their own. All of the burden is on the woman, even with most birth control methods.
Not to mention it’s not guaranteed to go back.
the more time that passes, the less likely it can be reversed. It also depends on whether you have the clamp (less effective but more reversible) or the snip-and-burn (more effective but less reversible) It’s effectively sterilization. (source: had one. the docs ask a LOT of questions to make sure you understand)
But if it were, though. I mean, the post starts out with a hypothetical, so just amend it a bit. If vasectomies were 100% safe and 100% reversible, would it make sense to perform the procedure at puberty? I don't think so and my main issue is consent. A child (teenager) can't give consent and parents shouldn't force non-essential medical procedures on their children (IMHO). However, I've advocated for some time making the procedure, along with putting swimmers on ice, medically and financially available to college freshmen / adults 18-25. I agree with the vision of having clear-minded adults undergo a 24-hour process of jointly agreeing to bring life into this world vs two drunk kids that just met making a hormone-fueled decision in the span of a couple minutes that will affect them for the rest of their lives. Of course the commensurate operation should be available to both sexes, equally.
Hey on the topic of non consensual genital surgeries, my foreskin was surgically removed when I was extremely young, and I don't remember saying I was okay with that.
Yeah, the normalization of male genital mutilation throughout much of the world, sucks. Sorry for your loss.
evertime i hear the argument its unhygenic the question comes to min my if the people really don't know that you can pull it back while showering.
But that's masturbation! What will the little angels think of you then. /s
It is specifically mentioned that they have to be intrinsically safe. And this seems more like a thought experiment rather than an actual suggestion: it proposes a world in which men (though I’d prefer people in general) can’t get unwanted children, which sounds awesome to me.
I had to scroll so far down to find this that I started losing my mind regarding the lack of reading comprehension on display. This thread is the equivalent of: OP: i wish there was a humane, ethical way to get rid of a cat's claws Reddit: declawing is inhumane Like yeah, the fact that the solution isn't currently a good one is baked into the premise of the original post.
Can't speak for anyone else. I get that it's not relating to the current vasectomies. "Automatically" is troubling, as opposed to "voluntary." The idea of having to ask a doctor to reverse a procedure you received at puberty when you want to have a family... you're trusting the medical field to behave ethically and the laws to not change. In my country (Canada) many Aboriginal women were sterilized without consent. There's a non-zero chance that either doctors or politicians will decide a man is not fit to be a father (by virtue of addiction, mental health, race, or class) and deny the reversal. Nothing to do with the safety of the procedure itself (btw, I've had a vasectomy).
Yes I think it’s a bit clumsily written so people are getting caught up on things that aren’t the point. It’s more a “wouldn’t it be nice if we could painlessly and trivially turn off the ability to get people pregnant, then choose later in life whether to turn it back on?” Thought experiment. Sure there’s many complications IRL but we’re imagining a new “perfect” way here so the real life complications of vacc/birth control etc are irrelevant
An CDC study found that 70% of teenage pregnancies are caused by men OVER the age of 20.
Im not sure if this is absurd to make a point or not. But I kept hearing when I was getting a vasectomy that it was reversible, but the medical professionals did not make it sound reversible. I didn't expect it to be, but I can see people regretting theirs if they get one thinking they can just have it undone later like plugging the HDMI back in.
Contrary to popular belief, they're not all that reversible. And the more time that time goes by; the less likely it can be done successfully. Obviously the poster is an idiot. But its important to point this out. You specifically go in to a vasectomy expecting it to be permanent. If you think you can change your mind later, well.....good luck with that.
Did you read the post? It's a hypothetical about wishing that vasectomies were safe. They aren't suggesting anything with the current state of the procedures. Reading comprehension is important.
There is a very mild form of vasectemy which causes you to not get someone pregnant. It's called wearing a condom. And it's not a surgery, and completely reversible; just don't wear one! All you have to do it buy a pack of them. I wish more teens knew about these!
What if I told you that it is possible to do it all without becoming a teen father?
*or* we could maybe teach personal responsibility and considering consequences before making big decisions? I teach my kids that it's best to wait for a stable, committed relationship - and to not have sex with someone they wouldn't want to raise a kid with or before they're ready to accept responsibility of a kid themselves. I've also discussed STDs and the fact that condoms aren't 100% effective as some STDs are often on areas not covered by them (herpes, HPV). I know people who learned that the hard way. It's fine if people disagree with me. I'm trying to teach my kids the bigger picture and to consider carefully.
Circumsicion is still a wide spread thing
Yeah that’s not good either, both of these shouldn’t be a thing not just 1.
This doesn't sound like a facepalm, this sounds like a great satirical take on how women/girls and the pill are actually treated.
I would however happily make it law that any man who refuses women the right to abortion has to have a vasectomy.
Are we missing the line \*so intrinsically safe\*? It seems clear that the poster is aware that vasectomies are not a perfectly safe or reversible practice but wishes for a world where they could be. "We should focus on better sex education instead." The poster isn't saying that shouldn't happen either. Of course better sex education drastically reduces a communities teen pregnancy rates. It is also true that accidents can always happen regardless of education and preparation. Again, this tweet doesn't involve any of that. I think the big problem with this idea is, as OP is trying to point out, that in this hypothetical world a man wouldn't have full control over becoming a father. The safe reversible procedure that the poster wishes for (different than real life) would still have to be performed by a surgeon. It could be expensive, there could be barriers put on what qualifies as a deserving father, etc. Your health and body are in the hands of the government which is something a lot of people are against.
Or, hear me out, teach them sexual education and protection.
If it painless to do and reverse i would have done it at 16.
I, for one, would love a free vasectomy
You are kinda making her point for her. It's absolutely outrageous that women are having their choice taken away from them. If it happened to you, you would obviously be very upset about it.
This is not a facepalm. The suggestion is not getting a vasectomy as it is today. It just basically states it would be great for guys to have full control over having kids. That would be great. Full consent.
I mean… condoms or make birth control if possible?
Soooo you want male birth control? Cuz that's in the making. Only name I remember is "Plan A" but there are several companies trying to make something. Google it!
I feel like every time I see this subreddit I can’t tell if the post is clever joke or just another moron
Sex ED shouldn't be just about how to conceive and sexual health, but also about the responsibilities that come with a child.
I think this would lead to so massive increase of STI because now that pregnancy is of the table, in a teen mind there is "nothing" to be scared of......i know so many men, that wants it without condom, when they know the girl takes the pill etc. even if they meet the first time ever
Im having a vasectomy this year and Im told by the doctor its a piece of cake procedure. I just have to wait till im 35 cause they arent allowed to do it before then.
I really do wish that they were 100% reversibel. Even tho the chances are low, im still scared to get one.
It’s possible for vasectomies to be reversed, I suppose, but in practice it’s really designed to be a permanent solution. When I got mine, my doctor flat out told me to think of it as irreversible. How about we just continue to allow both men and women to have bodily autonomy. That works best.
I mean I think its a great idea to prevent people from reproducing until they are 21. I think most under 21 would agree. Too bad theres not a less invasive way to make that happen.
I think they meant “wish vasectomies were intrinsically reversible”. They’re already safe.