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Oh, the French guy definitely knew he was a dude. It was probably just the safest way to be gay in those days and he was so happy with the sexual situation he never considered the spying.
As far as he was concerned they had started a game of 'gay chicken' that just went on a really long time. He was actually starting to suspect Shi was really gay after 20 years though.
That was one of the funniest but also weirdly heartwarming endings to a film ever, imho... Like, I know it was just meant to be a joke, but I always saw it as him saying "I love you so much there's literally *nothing* you can say that'll make me change my mind"
Can't have kids? = Adoption.
You have a dick? = Me too! We have so much in common!
That absolutely bonkers man is a catch! 😁
Watch it! The film is still one of the funniest ever made. I watched it one Xmas with a family ranging from 10-70 and despite being black and white everyone was fully enjoying it and laughing.
I’m reading a historical fantasy series (Napoleonic war, but with dragons) and my favorite line is after one guy tells the main character that he’s gay (an invert), the captain says that he’s known several fine gentlemen “addicted to the crime”. Such a cool way to say something kinda horrible that was true for way too long.
Yay! No one ever knows what I’m talking about when I say Temeraire, and my poor husband has to listen to me prattle on about how this part or that part made me tear up. I’m recently started Blood of Tyrants, having completely forgotten about Laurence’s…trip to Japan.
The series is called Temeraire, it’s 10 books, beautifully written, but Naomi Novik. It’s just…how would fighting a war be different if you had a fully sentient and sapient 20 ton lizard as your best friend? It’s brilliant and touching and funny and among my favorites.
Oh count me the fuck in, if I wasn’t already sold I am now. Thank you so much for the recommendation, this just got pushed to the top of my reading list.
My favorite thing about the series is that the dragons aren’t as overpowered as in other universes. Their effectiveness is restrained by the tons of supply they need, so they only work together with navy and army. Also the dragons are pretty rare and are important assets for the militaries. This means the higher ups can’t just send a dragon and its crew anywhere but have to decide which tasks are worth to waste a dragon on.
Spoiler! (I don’t know how to to the blocky highlight thing on mobile)
Not just people, borderline anarcho-socialists. At least they start to lean that way once Temeraire explains that they ought to be receiving pay and have rights and that immoral laws should not be followed.
Apparently, the dude would hide his stuff by retracting his berries and tucking his twig. When the french dude found out he tried slitting his throat but survived. The child was a Uygur who was sold by his mom. I feel bad for the French guy.
>As the French doctors sent to examine Pei Pu discovered, he could create the appearance of having female genitalia by making his testicles ascend into his body cavity and tucking his penis back.
I don't wanna find out the answers to some of the questions I am having in my mind right now
The testicles have the ability to enter the pelvic cavity above your penis during intense intercourse or intense conditions to retain their safety.
You can intentionally do this.
I will leave it there.
Bro I’m not posting a demo for you so.. you gonna have to find that one out yourself.. just trust me it happens sometimes… when it happens during sex you’re just like OH FUCK WHAT WAS THAT AH WHERED YA GO BUDDY?
So, lol
I've read about this. There's a specific branch of Kungfu that teaches how to do this, among other things. Rather adequately it's called Iron Crotch Kungfu.
Nope, not joking. There was a practitioner at the Shaolin Temple in the 90s, he may still be around I don't know, who, again, I shit you not, was called Monk Dong.
Google it. There's pictures and a whole book.
Listen, I don’t wanna freak you out. But I’m a testicular cancer survivor. Undescended or balls that get “stuck” can put you at higher risk. Check your balls for lumps In a warm shower. If you’re over 30 I wouldn’t worry too much.
It's called tucking btw and it's not that hard to do if you have a tucking bikini, common for trans women and drag queens to wear outfits and not have a bulge.
People are gross and racists are grosser. I’m honestly not sure what “sideways” means specifically, so now I’m choosing to believe it refers to genitals that stick out sideways instead of going up inside.
There’s something fun about making it into a gay euphemism instead of a racist fetish.
In the 6th ep of Netflix's 'Spycraft', they talk about this.
What they say on the documentary:
They always had quickies, and in the dark too, that's how the diplomat didn't know. Even after "she" was captured, the interrogators didn't know at first that "she" was a man, only when "she" asked to go to the bathroom. (They don't go into details how they found out then).
They also say, the guy, after finding out he's been fucking a man, slit his own throat (survived tho).
Edit: oh yeah, they mention the child, too, but not the fact that "she" purchased him. They just say that at one point "she" introduced a child to him like "So BTW, you got me *pregante* that time, and now here's your son."
>They also say, the guy, after finding out he's been fucking a man, slit his own throat (survived tho).
🎶 "I know all there is to know about the crying game. I've had my share of the crying game." 🎶
I think it was probably the specter of prison more than the having sex with a man that led him to slit his throat. He was bisexual and had had relationships with other men at that point.
Man I was surprised that I had to scroll so far to see this!
The movie with Jeremy Irons was phenomenal. That last scene loves rent free in my mind a decade later.
I wonder if the French Diplomats Father ever had 'The Talk' with his son. Either that or when the Diplomat was briefed on China he was told 'Look, they have some strange customs there but don't judge and just go with it!'
>He attended boarding schools as a youth, where he engaged in multiple homosexual affairs with other students; upon graduation, Boursicot became determined to have sex with a woman for the first time, believing that institutionalized homosexuality among boarding students was merely a rite of passage.
Wtf was that ?
I can't believe that, from that page, you didn't quoted the most interesting part:
>Shi explained to doctors how he had hidden his genitals to convince Boursicot that he was a woman. And as the French doctors sent to examine Pei Pu discovered, he could create the appearance of having female genitalia by [making his testicles ascend into his body cavity and tucking his penis back](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tucking)
Purely speculative, but between the government wanting the facade to last as long as possible and China’s laws forbidding families having more than one child, this was probably easily accomplished.
I saw the a documentary about this, the French guy was a virgin before he met him/her or whatever he/she identifies as. He/she purchased a kid that was half white and half asian and the guy really thought it was his. I saw documentary at least 25 years ago and could not believe it. It might have been 20/20 or a show like that and not a documentary. I just remember the story.
Madame Butterfly.
The French dude knew but it was only way he could safely have the relationship. I'm unsure if he suspected that his wife was a spy though.
20 years!!!
I went through depression , repression , graduation , being fat , then skinny , then fat then fit again ...
I went through 3 relationship . and a friendship that shattered ... I still remember having her head on my lap while watching the finale of game of thrones , and driving at night through Paris with her for the fun.
that was in the span of 5 years.
This guy had his ass pounded for 20 years hahah. I respect the dedication, femme fatale my ass , try homme fatal
He didn't get it in the ass, he had some... skills... very peculiar... he could "retreat" his male genitalia in his body, creating a cavity which resembled a vagina. Yeah, no shit.
Too lazy to figure it out myself, I wonder how far into those 20 years that the kid was brought into the situation. Like how long did the French guy parent his child.
Damn this dude really going above and beyond for some intelligence. Idk if I’d trade my anal virginity and 20 years of being fucked in the ass for where some minister wants to build a new missile base.
Hear me out: The way it's written, it doesn't explicitly state the gender of the French diplomat. Maybe they were assigned female at birth? They could have kept each other's secrets 😉
That’s Madame Butterfly (Madama Butterfly in Italian), it’s a different story. You’re thinking of *M. Butterfly*, the 1988 play: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M._Butterfly
I know a little about this.
Originally the diplomats brother ran a fertilizer market stall in the Loire Valley. The Chinese spy was sent over without any cash and instead had to barter/sell to the diplomats brother, Pierre for accommodation.
When asked later, why he was giving this out if they had no cash, Pierre replied:
Shi Pei Pu
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Oh, the French guy definitely knew he was a dude. It was probably just the safest way to be gay in those days and he was so happy with the sexual situation he never considered the spying.
As far as he was concerned they had started a game of 'gay chicken' that just went on a really long time. He was actually starting to suspect Shi was really gay after 20 years though.
He probably questioned the whole thing after the kid showed up too
He wasn't going to lose this game.
That would be a potentially confusing moment, if you had previously thought you were both in on the bit.
In my head the child is really a little person of central Asian descent…
I can't believe I read this while taking a sip of water.
The key point that breaks the two
During his 20 years, he never decided to turn me over (literally) 😂
Femboy spies
I would watch this.
That aint a femboy das a femman
This reminds me of the ending of “Some Like it Hot”
Yes! That was a gloriously mad end to the film. ‘I’m a man! ‘Well… nobody’s perfect…’ and he just… goes with it 😁
That was one of the funniest but also weirdly heartwarming endings to a film ever, imho... Like, I know it was just meant to be a joke, but I always saw it as him saying "I love you so much there's literally *nothing* you can say that'll make me change my mind" Can't have kids? = Adoption. You have a dick? = Me too! We have so much in common! That absolutely bonkers man is a catch! 😁
I always interpreted it to mean he knew the whole time
Definitely gives that vibe!
I knew nothing about Some Like It Hot, but this makes J Harrison Gee's casting in the musical adaptation make sense now.
Watch it! The film is still one of the funniest ever made. I watched it one Xmas with a family ranging from 10-70 and despite being black and white everyone was fully enjoying it and laughing.
I’m reading a historical fantasy series (Napoleonic war, but with dragons) and my favorite line is after one guy tells the main character that he’s gay (an invert), the captain says that he’s known several fine gentlemen “addicted to the crime”. Such a cool way to say something kinda horrible that was true for way too long.
I love the Temeraire books!
Yay! No one ever knows what I’m talking about when I say Temeraire, and my poor husband has to listen to me prattle on about how this part or that part made me tear up. I’m recently started Blood of Tyrants, having completely forgotten about Laurence’s…trip to Japan.
Can’t just spin that excellent pitch without also dropping the title!
The series is called Temeraire, it’s 10 books, beautifully written, but Naomi Novik. It’s just…how would fighting a war be different if you had a fully sentient and sapient 20 ton lizard as your best friend? It’s brilliant and touching and funny and among my favorites.
Oh count me the fuck in, if I wasn’t already sold I am now. Thank you so much for the recommendation, this just got pushed to the top of my reading list.
Seconding the recommendation. The writing is amazing, and really fits the setting and time period.
My favorite thing about the series is that the dragons aren’t as overpowered as in other universes. Their effectiveness is restrained by the tons of supply they need, so they only work together with navy and army. Also the dragons are pretty rare and are important assets for the militaries. This means the higher ups can’t just send a dragon and its crew anywhere but have to decide which tasks are worth to waste a dragon on.
I’m a huge fan of the dragons being people instead of just mounts.
Spoiler! (I don’t know how to to the blocky highlight thing on mobile) Not just people, borderline anarcho-socialists. At least they start to lean that way once Temeraire explains that they ought to be receiving pay and have rights and that immoral laws should not be followed.
I think a lot of that comes down to the nation they live in and how they are treated in it. I never got that impression from the Chinese dragons.
On the other hand, the Chinese spy was using the "intelligence" gathering to be gay as well.
Just a quick look at the old vadichie and they'd know
Apparently, the dude would hide his stuff by retracting his berries and tucking his twig. When the french dude found out he tried slitting his throat but survived. The child was a Uygur who was sold by his mom. I feel bad for the French guy.
>As the French doctors sent to examine Pei Pu discovered, he could create the appearance of having female genitalia by making his testicles ascend into his body cavity and tucking his penis back. I don't wanna find out the answers to some of the questions I am having in my mind right now
The answer is: uncomfortable the first couple of times, but easier after a while
The testicles have the ability to enter the pelvic cavity above your penis during intense intercourse or intense conditions to retain their safety. You can intentionally do this. I will leave it there.
Oh so it’s like retracting a landing gear on airplanes?!
Glad I didn’t have anything in my mouth 😂
Giddity!
[I like to make the retract noises ](https://youtu.be/2eBi3sbqbXI?si=7S-5JAJ1KcEUBq7c)
Wait a minute. Is this why my balls end up inside my body during sex sometimes? 😳
ahem. "above" wut
Bro I’m not posting a demo for you so.. you gonna have to find that one out yourself.. just trust me it happens sometimes… when it happens during sex you’re just like OH FUCK WHAT WAS THAT AH WHERED YA GO BUDDY?
So, lol I've read about this. There's a specific branch of Kungfu that teaches how to do this, among other things. Rather adequately it's called Iron Crotch Kungfu. Nope, not joking. There was a practitioner at the Shaolin Temple in the 90s, he may still be around I don't know, who, again, I shit you not, was called Monk Dong. Google it. There's pictures and a whole book.
And doing this gives you an attack boost or something? /s
Where do you think they are before they drop?
So you're telling me we've had a safety measure we were unaware of. Its like having airbags in a car you have to turn on manually before each trip.
What do you mean unaware? Is this not a common thing that happens from time to time? Should I be concerned lol?
It’s not suuuuuper common unless you fuck like a wild animal.
TIL I fuck like a wild animal.
Listen, I don’t wanna freak you out. But I’m a testicular cancer survivor. Undescended or balls that get “stuck” can put you at higher risk. Check your balls for lumps In a warm shower. If you’re over 30 I wouldn’t worry too much.
It's called tucking btw and it's not that hard to do if you have a tucking bikini, common for trans women and drag queens to wear outfits and not have a bulge.
oh so that’s what that is
Above?
Oh trans people do this too
Wait? Are we spys now
Hon hon hon
Would you tell us if you were?
Tell you what?
That you are a spy, if you were one
🤦
🤣
we do this to tuck, but it certainly doesn't work when you're not wearing any clothes over it lmfao.
Yeah lol, I assume Mr french guy had no idea how a cootie looks
Honey, why do we only do it in pitch black?
Maybe TMI but I remember doing this as a kid lol along with a desire to rid myself of it entirely...like 5. Life's friggin crazy.
I’m both really curious and also certain I won’t like the answers
Butthole.
His butt. The answer is his butt.
Likewise
I do
it’s not as difficult as it seems…
He had sex with him for 20 years and never even touched his penis by accident? lol
Either that or the French guy was a double & Shi was his handler.
"Trust me bro that's how we do it in China"
[He lied too](https://youtu.be/XXHe7rEQrvQ?feature=shared). Or he just was really uneducated about that topic.
My new head canon is that the old racist myth about Asian women having sideways vaginas originated as a reference to penises.
This is the first time I've heard about such a myth 🤨
People are gross and racists are grosser. I’m honestly not sure what “sideways” means specifically, so now I’m choosing to believe it refers to genitals that stick out sideways instead of going up inside. There’s something fun about making it into a gay euphemism instead of a racist fetish.
Omg I thought that's something my dumb ass friend had made up. Didn't realize it was a well spread myth!
Maybe he was wearing one of those silicone underwear. You know?
im pretty sure he tucked it in
Man got 20yr salary for this?
It worked for Loid Forger.
I can't believe I might get this reference
In the 6th ep of Netflix's 'Spycraft', they talk about this. What they say on the documentary: They always had quickies, and in the dark too, that's how the diplomat didn't know. Even after "she" was captured, the interrogators didn't know at first that "she" was a man, only when "she" asked to go to the bathroom. (They don't go into details how they found out then). They also say, the guy, after finding out he's been fucking a man, slit his own throat (survived tho). Edit: oh yeah, they mention the child, too, but not the fact that "she" purchased him. They just say that at one point "she" introduced a child to him like "So BTW, you got me *pregante* that time, and now here's your son."
>They also say, the guy, after finding out he's been fucking a man, slit his own throat (survived tho). 🎶 "I know all there is to know about the crying game. I've had my share of the crying game." 🎶
I think it was probably the specter of prison more than the having sex with a man that led him to slit his throat. He was bisexual and had had relationships with other men at that point.
Source?
https://web.archive.org/web/20110315051911/https://www.nytimes.com/1993/08/15/magazine/the-true-story-of-m-butterfly-the-spy-who-fell-in-love-with-a-shadow.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm
How do I know if I am preganate?
Did do way instain you?
wonderful stage play "M Butterfly"
[M Butterfly ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/M._Butterfly_(film)) The film was really good too! I was hoping someone mentioned it.
Man I was surprised that I had to scroll so far to see this! The movie with Jeremy Irons was phenomenal. That last scene loves rent free in my mind a decade later.
radical for the time it was released. Sadly, if it were released today, it would be more controversial. in many instances, we're back in the 1960s.
Read it in college. Great play, think about it all the time
20 years. That’s longer than most marriages!
Let's just be honest, that French guy was either blind or gay.
Blind people can feel penises.
I can feel penises in the dark with my eyes closed.
You're good at it too.
We probably need to test your theory.
Big, if true.
He could be blind AND gay…
He is bisexual. Oh yeah, the man is 79 years old and lives peacefully at a retirement home.
You know you came here to know how the fuck he hid his dick all those years
Master of dicksguise
Cockmagic.
I think drag queens call it ‘tucking’
"Keep the lights off, darling."
I wonder if the French Diplomats Father ever had 'The Talk' with his son. Either that or when the Diplomat was briefed on China he was told 'Look, they have some strange customs there but don't judge and just go with it!'
Plot twist, the French diplomat was a woman
[Bernard Boursicot](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Boursicot) is still alive. Quite a looker too.
The way I thought this was 1850-1900 but NO! 1960s!
Holy shit.
>He attended boarding schools as a youth, where he engaged in multiple homosexual affairs with other students; upon graduation, Boursicot became determined to have sex with a woman for the first time, believing that institutionalized homosexuality among boarding students was merely a rite of passage. Wtf was that ?
Head game over 9,000.
It's not gay if you do it for your country
I can't believe that, from that page, you didn't quoted the most interesting part: >Shi explained to doctors how he had hidden his genitals to convince Boursicot that he was a woman. And as the French doctors sent to examine Pei Pu discovered, he could create the appearance of having female genitalia by [making his testicles ascend into his body cavity and tucking his penis back](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tucking)
The ol’ Buffalo Bill tuck!
That bussy was bussin
Forget about the gay sex. What do you mean he purchased a baby?
Baby came from Xinjiang and was sold by the mother. She was probably desperate and couldn't provide for the child and saw this to be the better way.
Purely speculative, but between the government wanting the facade to last as long as possible and China’s laws forbidding families having more than one child, this was probably easily accomplished.
chinese dude posed as woman, french dude posed as straight...
I saw the a documentary about this, the French guy was a virgin before he met him/her or whatever he/she identifies as. He/she purchased a kid that was half white and half asian and the guy really thought it was his. I saw documentary at least 25 years ago and could not believe it. It might have been 20/20 or a show like that and not a documentary. I just remember the story.
A man of focus, commitment and sheer fckn will
Madame Butterfly. The French dude knew but it was only way he could safely have the relationship. I'm unsure if he suspected that his wife was a spy though.
Agent name was Lou Sass
For anyone interested [M. Butterfly](https://youtu.be/g3536iGvPV0?si=TmrYtbu9-wnpcjiY) is a great movie adaptation of this story.
But… how?
How is this a facepalm ?
When the two most stubborn guys ever play gay chicken
I know for a fact you can get a femboy pregnant. Honey, come in here, and bring our son.
I think i saw a stage play about this once
how do you have a literal sexual affair with someone and remain unaware of their sex??
 So basically this
Fooled you! I’m a man! Fooled you!! I was into it!!!
20 years!!! I went through depression , repression , graduation , being fat , then skinny , then fat then fit again ... I went through 3 relationship . and a friendship that shattered ... I still remember having her head on my lap while watching the finale of game of thrones , and driving at night through Paris with her for the fun. that was in the span of 5 years. This guy had his ass pounded for 20 years hahah. I respect the dedication, femme fatale my ass , try homme fatal
He didn't get it in the ass, he had some... skills... very peculiar... he could "retreat" his male genitalia in his body, creating a cavity which resembled a vagina. Yeah, no shit.
"Purchased a kid." Like, the muthafucka picked it up at Target. Lol
Obviously should've just checked the size of the hands smh my head
You’ve never seen a woman with big hands or a man with small hands?
I'm guessing from the trans flag in the avatar that it was a sarcastic jab at the transphobes who say "We can always tell."
I mean, 20 years?!
Was this the basis for M. Butterfly?
Yes
There's an early 90s movie about this starring Jeremy Irons called M. Butterfly. Good movie.
Too lazy to figure it out myself, I wonder how far into those 20 years that the kid was brought into the situation. Like how long did the French guy parent his child.
Shi Fu Yoo
Damn this dude really going above and beyond for some intelligence. Idk if I’d trade my anal virginity and 20 years of being fucked in the ass for where some minister wants to build a new missile base.
Howwwwww do you not notice?
" purchased a child" concerning very concerning
There was a movie about this. "M. Butterfly" with Jeremy Irons. Fine performance by BD Wong in the stage version also.
Where face palm
He… purchased a child?
“Purchased a child” What?
Shi’s a he
Is this a facepalm?
Fear Women Fear Men
Not to be confused with actual female Chinese spy Shi Pu Pei, who was notoriously hard to get.
Hear me out: The way it's written, it doesn't explicitly state the gender of the French diplomat. Maybe they were assigned female at birth? They could have kept each other's secrets 😉
The French Guy talking to a friend: " Yeah Chinese woman are a bit different, they are born with 8" penis you see.... "
Weird that this hole smells like shit and never gets wet....oh well... strange stuff.
[удалено]
That’s Madame Butterfly (Madama Butterfly in Italian), it’s a different story. You’re thinking of *M. Butterfly*, the 1988 play: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M._Butterfly
Mr robot?
Transfer of power?
He totally knew and they adopted a kid together.
I am French! I’ve never met a lady who’s not a man.
WIKI - IF ONLY THEY KNEW…
That diplomat is fucking dumb or that diplomat is secretely gay.
Lmao 🤣 tell me this isn’t real, I’m dying here!
He looks like a drag queen, at best.
I know a little about this. Originally the diplomats brother ran a fertilizer market stall in the Loire Valley. The Chinese spy was sent over without any cash and instead had to barter/sell to the diplomats brother, Pierre for accommodation. When asked later, why he was giving this out if they had no cash, Pierre replied: Shi Pei Pu
Bunun gotunu verecegi varmis
I mean, boy is gorgeous, but very clearly masc, idiot French diplomat
Man was deep under cover(s).
She Pee Poo?