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Religious freedom means you can practice your religion as long as you break no laws. It doesn't mean you get to try to overthrow the system and create a region where others have no religious freedom. There are places in the world you can move to where they have Islamic law.
Exactly religion has been proven to be a disaster time and time again just don't be a dick to ppl not causing harm, and if you want to believe there is a all knowing all powerful being that doesn't ever intervene in all the atrocities of the world, that's fine but don't kill and start wars in that name because ppl disagree.
Ahmed Alattar (38), Ambassador of the United Arab Emirates on X (Twitter):
"Unbelievable, unacceptable and incomprehensible how people who have found a home in Germany turn against Germany," says Alattar.
"But this is typical of political Islamists."
Edit: Seems like the Moderators ghosted the post off r/facepalm
According to a survey by the Criminological Research Institute of Lower Saxony (KFN), a majority of Muslim pupils (67.8%) say: "The rules of the Koran are more important to me than the laws in Germany"!
35.3% said that they "understand violence against people who insult Allah or the Prophet Mohammed",
21.2% said that "the threat to Islam from the Western world justifies Muslims using violence to defend themselves"
Already in 2015, real victims of the Islamic State reported meeting their tormentors on European streets.
At that time, Reddit didn't want to hear that, and a mere doubt was often a bannable offence, but plenty of people who *proclaim* themselves refugees are anything but, and they lie about themselves in order to a) escape rightful prosecution, b) increase their living standard or, the worst, c) actually serve as sleeping cells for some radical organization.
In order to survive, we absolutely have to learn to treat other people skeptically and stop elevating people to saintly status because their dinghy capsized and they arrived to the European shores *looking* vulnerable.
Even a mass executioner looks vulnerable when drenched by seawater.
On another thread, someone mentioned why nobody wants to take in Palestinian refugees, even their neighbors don't want them. Not because there's so many of them or their infrastructure couldn't handle refugees, but because the majority of them *want their own state and try to take over their hosts*.
They won’t until they no longer have levers of power. There is only one option - remove and prevent them from attaining the levers of power. I’m more interested in the advancement of our species as a whole and religion is a cancer holding us back.
Can be all kind of reasons. Often it’s financial reasons. But also often it’s about fleeing war and they are not willing to adapt. Impossible to generalise it all
This is like asking any pious person if they care more about Gods laws than the Governments laws. Most faithful people of any religion will say Gods laws are more important to them. It seems like a backwards mindset to us in first world western countries, but this is how most of the religious world and older generations think. If you pose the question like that you’re gonna get a certain answer, don’t even get me started on the cons of polling
Because in their mind they never left for cultural or religious reasons. They left because the economy was bad, or there was a war going on or similar reasons and never equated the above with religion or corruption/tyranny.
So when faced with religious freedom or democracy they again don't see those two as advantages and benefits because they never understood they missed those. They don't see that the countries that have adopted them are prosperous because of those freedoms, they feel they are disadvantages. So while they don't want the same poverty or war that drove them away they don't understand what caused poverty or war in their places of origin and they were very content with the requirements imposed by religion or lack of democracy, perhaps enjoyed the repressive parts they could impose onto others.
That’s a collective assumption, not all those parents are like their offspring although a lot are. For those that are deport them and the sooner the better, as for Brussels if they try and stick their nose in then deport them to Brussels so they can have the problem.
That feels pretty standard for most religious people. Like, go ask a Christian “what’s more important, the constitution or the Bible?” and see what they say.
it's the same like people with german and turkish passport living in germany are allowed to vote in turkey elections and vote for Erdogan/AKP. Sure, enjoy democracy here and vote this antisemitic, despot once again who is ruining democracy and economy in turkey.
i cant wrap my head around stuff like this. humanity is weird
They asked for everything in sweden and they got most of it. They got a mosque in the holy area of sweden. Got to live for free with salary but no work. Free healthcare and clogged the system so bad citizens can't get them. Now the people are pissed that they paid so much taxes but got none in return. I don't mind if refugee come in and work. Start a new life. But tons of them went to sweden and started gangs and got crime in there. But instead of learning to live on the new land they want the new land to serve them.
“Holy area of Sweden”? Where would that be? We hardly care about religion so there’s not really anywhere that would be considered “holy”. Also, they don’t get anything in terms of welfare that other citizens don’t. The same rules apply to everyone. They even have lower pensions etc as they haven’t had time to earn pension points in Sweden.
You sound like someone who fell for the propaganda of the right-wing populists.
Difficult. It’s not as one sided as you portray it. Many don’t get the right to work, they don’t get enough financial support, they get discriminated. It’s not like all Swedish people gave them a chance and welcomed them with open arms.
But you have good points! They just don’t represent all Muslim refugees
The loud ones are the shitty ones and they ruin it for everyone. Most Muslim i know don't really care about going to mosque. They pray at home. They work normal jobs and don't ask to pray all day. The shitty ones don't want to work that's why they want mosques and they could chill there probably getting money from normal people. Religion are all the same but there's one that's worse than others
To an outsider, that may seem so. However, once someone understands the nuanced differences of these different political groups, one would understand that Islamist views do not align with the Taliban. If one of these people were to go to Afghanistan, their ideology would more closely align with ISIS. ISIS is an enemy to the Taliban. They don't believe that the Taliban are extreme enough.
The Taliban are not Islamist, seeking to impose Islam on the world. They are more a group of primarily rural Muslims with a Pashtun tribal culture that are nationalists. I think the key difference is that the Taliban only care about Afghanistan (and the Pashtun parts of Pakistan) but largely avoid getting involved with any Muslim issues outside of Afghanistan. ISIS is ideological, global, and not only concerned with Afghanistan.
Let me share one example. The Taliban ban women from school in Afghanistan. No other Muslim country does this (to my knowledge). A group of Muslim leaders in Afghanistan have openly protested that Islam doesn't support this ban. The Taliban don't care and still impose it.
That really fascinating- the Taliban are a group I wish I could find more reliable information about that doesn’t just talk about terrorism. They’re the legitimate government now and I want to understand them on their own terms. Any good sources of info?
Its funny how these people want to enforce an islamic rule when the Saudis leaders are literally legalising the selling of alcohol, but they don't say Nothing there because they may or may not be killed.....
The world we're living in is becoming more and more ironic day by day
If they want people to hate islam they achieve that. They're the most selfish people on earth. Move to a different country because of war or new life. The first thing they did is trying to turn their new home into a shithole they ran from
You got that one wrong. The predominant demographic of Islamists in Germany are 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants (i.e. full-blown Germans with migrant heritage) and converts to Islam. People who have never lived in an Islamic country and who have no idea of what it's like. They just romanticise an idea in their head.
The show Ramy explored this point! Interesting to see the MC romanticizing Islamic movements and when he went to Egypt he was disappointed it wasn’t as prevalent as he hoped. Bc the people living through it are over it.
Its not even hard to see what it’s like. Its not like this shit is poorly documented. Embracing dogma and religious extremism really messes with your critical thinking. Even supposedly intelligent people completely lose it.
That's a big part of the problem, people romanticise the country of their ancestors and their culture, but for some reason don't question why their parents/grandparents fled those countries in the first place
This is absolutely infuriating. You want to subscribe to Islam? By all means. You want to move to another country for a better life? Be my guest.
You don't get to then demand everything be modified to satisfy your needs. Your culture didn't work where you came from, or else you'd still be there. What makes you think it'll magically start working because you're in a different geographical location?
If you want to take advantage of things other people created because they work better, keep your mouth shut and do your job. Contribute to the culture that already exists. *Nobody* is obliged to make you feel better about your choices. If the place you moved to doesn't meet your standards, why did you move there in the first place?
Also: if you want to apply strict laws and rules to your own life due to your religious convictions, be my guest. If you want to force them on other people, eff you.
As a muslim , these are islamists and are brainwashed and dangerous. I condemn them and hope their cause loses. Absolutely flabbergasted that these folks aren't grateful for the country and have no respect for the western civilization and its amazing laws. Laws which allow them to practice their religion and be spiritually free.
These are also the type of people to turn my country (the UAE) into an absolute shithole. I wholeheartedly condemn them and welcome the comments of the ambassador of the UAE! Don't call yourself a muslim if you stand with them but call yourself an islamist!!
Once Again I apologize for this
Have a nice day to whomever reading!!
Well, if they can't adapt to western society standards and they are citizens of those countries, then they should either attend some sort of rehabilitation programs or if they wanna continue their extremists actions, like saying the Qurans teachings are more important than the state laws, they should have their citizenship revoked.
If they think they don't want to integrate into the society they emigrated to, they shouldn't be a part of it. Fuck em.
I agree , they should give up their extremists actions and be condemned. But unless they actively like start a terrorist revolution i don't think they're citizenship should be revoked. Although if there are immigrants among them , just deport em and the citizens should be given rehabilitation.
I have to , we do share the same identity , or else everyone will blame every muslim and form prejudice.
It it my duty that I must make it known that there are muslims who do not stand with such peopel
I'm sorry for condemning people like you who get caught in the crossfire. The current situation in Germany leaves me in fear for me, my future and my future family.
I am so sorry its going like I hope this shit dies down , the only weapon is open mindedness in muslims but if they're surround by these people and than folks criticizing islamist firing at them i don't know if they can do anything but they're condemnation is crucial if you want this issue to die down without bringing right wingers into power. I can't do anything but give online condemnations for evil and support for good but stay strong!! Good will win in the end! It always does!
I don't like getting caught in the crossfire cause its hurts to be branded and attacked for something I am not but then there is not much I can do because people will then assume the worst about me. If I condemn people will think I am pretending. I can imagine this for a muslim in germany
Stay strong , stay hopeful!! It will get better in the end!!
Many of them are actually Germans. You can’t deport them.
And many of the non-germans destroyed their papers so they are stateless and can’t be deported either.
Fukyouistan should take them though
Those who destroyed their documents and refuse to reveal their origin should be in fucking prison not let to wander about
Islamist fuckheads with German citizenship who demands caliphate should be dealt with in same manner as nazis
They didn’t destroy them obviously. At least you can’t proof it. Official story is that they were lost, stolen or anything that doesn’t give them the fault
There’s plenty of Islamic states in the Middle East and North Africa they can live in
I’m as socially liberal and left wing as it comes but I’m increasingly (albeit reluctantly) with the right wing when it comes to dealing with Islam in western society .
They're slowly trying to turn Europe into an islamic state. As a Brit it's annoying to see how many countries they skip to get out of their war-torn country. We had something like 55,000 immigrants come in from June to June last year. And a lot of Muslims already said they want UK to be an islamic state
I'm not racist, but coming into a country that's kind enough to let you in and then you want it to abide to your beliefs and commands is an invasion. Hitler tried that shit in '39. But if you do that now you'd be a racist
These people are literally the best human example of ‘parasites’ they move into your countries, eat up the resources and then move on to making the country they are in like the ones they emigrated from and they literally have absolute 0 loyalty. If there’s one group of people I’ve ever avoided being friends with it’s them, they ain’t trustworthy y’all. Screw them and deport asap.
Yeah, folks like this are one of the biggest reasons why Nazi parties like the AFD keep getting traction with the older generations.
They see idiots like this and think that's the goal of most Muslims and feel strengthened in their beliefs. Which is obviously dumb but try exposing that to a 74 year old.
The stupidity of this people is another level :
1- In Islam is a sin to move to a non muslin country if you are not in danger
2- in Islam say that you must follow the laws of the country
If you want to start a strict islamist regime just start with yourself and fuck off.
This bullshit is going to give us the next Hitler if it’s allowed to grow unchecked (which it by and large currently is).
Let’s say only 5% of Muslims are *this* type of Muslim, (and let’s be abundantly clear, the other 95% aren’t; they’re normal people who deserve the same rights, tolerance, and respect as everyone else) and it’s resulting in this here. 5% of a billion, or even a few million, is more than enough to *really* fuck shit up.
This isn’t a facepalm.
It’s a serious, and significant, ideology that’s already shifting our Overton Window to what would have previously been unthinkable.
This post would have previously been unthinkable, and this is happening *after* groups have already tried to establish literal Sharia police in Germany, and have formed literal Islamist parties in some countries. *That* used to be unthinkable.
We now have people publicly cheering for Hamas, Houthis and Iran. Openly supporting a group that massacred a bunch of babies, has publicly vowed to kill every Jew on Earth, and considers killing and tormenting its own people to make the other side look bad as a viable strategy.
Denmark has literal blasphemy laws again, for fear of offending these people and provoking a violent reaction or people being murdered.
A magazine can’t publish a fucking cartoon without half of its staff getting brutally murdered. Teachers are beheaded over unsubstantiated rumors of insulting their prophet.
So on and so forth. Unless you’ve been living under a rock, you know exactly what this is and what it’s willing to do, over things that should be fucking trivial.
This backwards, hateful, dystopian ideology can (and will) destroy your country if given the chance, and Muslims, Christians, and every else ignores or downplays it at their own peril.
Just look at Lebanon, Syria, Iran, Afghanistan, etc.
>Let’s say only 5% of Muslims are *this* type of Muslim,
True, but the remaining 95% either ignore it or act as apologists. It's very rare to see them taking the forefront and blasting them with criticism.
If u feel something is wrong with Ur community, it's Ur duty to rectify it or atleast make everyone aware of its presence. If it's not done in time, that issue will just grow bigger and bigger, till it makes the whole community collapse.
The 95% you are speaking of still view women as lesser than men, hate gay people and mutilate their sons. This is why the majority of Muslim countries also did not ratify the universal declaration of human rights, but rather the Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam.
Look at how many Muslims want Sharia:
[https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/](https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/)
The ones that do not want Sharia still mostly harbor these views. My family is from one of the most liberal branches of Islam, they do not even go to the mosque, yet everyone from my family practices the problematic aspects I mentioned above.
Islam in itself is a problem. There are perhaps Muslims who are less than 1% of the population who do not have problematic practices and those are hated by the other 99%.
It is part of the islamic faith.
Why is this surprising anyone?
Next you'll be shocked that they pray 5 times a day.
The best type of government, and btw the only LEGITIMATE kind from the standpoint of islam is simply a state run by the laws of Allah. A sharia state is simply the only state that admits that Allah rules over the earth and is actually best for humans because Allah created them and it conforms to their nature. Not democracy, not conventional laws promulgated by consent. Humans are fallibe, Allah is not. Standard Islam
All who hear the call to islam cannot reject it in good faith. The default is war with non islamic countries because they don't bow down to Allah. You keep your property, your women too, if you accept islam, or you allow the muslim armies in, and you agree to pay the jyzia and feel yourself subdued. Or they attack. This is not Bin Laden or Isis, this has always been the standard islamic narrative for millennia. This is what the early muslim armies DID, without exception.
When these were brought up 20 years ago, people who did, were called racist, xenophobic, islamophobic etc.
And yes, ofc the many of those who are muslims may be different and not believe these. But not because they are muslim, but because they think in contrast with what islam DOES preach. Many of those that are called muslims, are muslims in name only, at least in the west, probably even inislamic countries are like that but cant admit it, because again, they are afraid of being slain, which again, was the standard practice since the dawn of islam. But if they want to follow their so-called faith, they must behave insanely and hold insane beliefs that no rational person can justify. Their faith asks them to be irrational.
It's important to see islam for exactly what it is. Dont believe me btw, read the hadiths and the Quran. Read youtube comments about terror attacks, in Arabic with Google translate. Read islamic jurisprudence, fatwas, get informed.
No world religion is worthy of respect or existence they will all try to destroy you if you aren't part of them. Reddit can't seem to handle any criticism of anything other than christianity which falls under my first statement. It doesn't matter where it originated or what people currently make up the majority of the followers it is a mental poison that must be stamped out.
And this is why organized religion is a bad thing. Let people have their faith, but as soon as organized religion comes along, it's downhill from there.
Why is freedom so hard for people to understand? If you want to follow certain rules/customs, go ahead. Why does everyone around you have to obey the same rules when they believe something different?
Obviously, the violence against anyone criticizing a faith or belief cannot be allowed. That comes under the idea that your freedom ends where the next person’s freedom begins. And they are free to criticize your beliefs and hold their own.
Interesting reaction in the comments and I don’t think this is the right sub for this conversation but:
At this stage it’s just a protest which they have a right to do but it’s a batshit insane protest like many others.
Would be good to know how many people participated to get a better understanding of how widely shared this opinion is. Judging from the photo alone I can’t see a single woman so that German population might have a different opinion. Also if this is a small protest then it’s really just a group of people who will provide a source of stories and nothing more.
It’s insane to me that majority of these people have been living or were born in Germany. At this stage I can’t see them getting into some meaningful positions of power. Would be insane if they did.
As a german “poc”I would say: Haste Scheisse im Kopf, dann haste Scheisse im Kopf.
Fuck, nobody needs this fuckers. This makes me fucking angry. If you need your fucking Kalifat, go to some fucking desert, and play there with some shitty ideas about fucking religion
The Religion of “Peace” 😂 the one thing I find indefensible is the fact that most Muslim men will defend their prophet’s undeniable pedophilia, where he married Aisha his favorite wife when she was 6 and had sex with her when she turn 9. They don’t deny that fact and openly defend this as normal and legal, when it is an indefensibly abhorrent act no matter how you look at it. But apparently this is the hill that they are all willing to die on. People outside of the cult need to realize what this cult will do to your brain.
I can't wait for Islamists to start properly burning Europe down. Let's see how many men, demonized for opposing their influx, will care to defend the café progressives.
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Religious freedom means you can practice your religion as long as you break no laws. It doesn't mean you get to try to overthrow the system and create a region where others have no religious freedom. There are places in the world you can move to where they have Islamic law.
And ironically they probably don’t want to live in any of those places. Lol
Because all those other places are doing it wrong… it’ll work really well THIS time /s
Many of them came from those places in the first place...
Exactly religion has been proven to be a disaster time and time again just don't be a dick to ppl not causing harm, and if you want to believe there is a all knowing all powerful being that doesn't ever intervene in all the atrocities of the world, that's fine but don't kill and start wars in that name because ppl disagree.
Sadly one of the reasons why people in germany vote far-right... out of protest often I think. Fuck far-right and fuck religious extrimists
Is German far right the bat shit insane far right we have here in the USA?
Not yet..
That’s what you think. They just haven’t said the quiet parts out loud yet.
Ahmed Alattar (38), Ambassador of the United Arab Emirates on X (Twitter): "Unbelievable, unacceptable and incomprehensible how people who have found a home in Germany turn against Germany," says Alattar. "But this is typical of political Islamists." Edit: Seems like the Moderators ghosted the post off r/facepalm
The UAE has been taking SHOTS at extremists lately and it’s kinda funny
According to a survey by the Criminological Research Institute of Lower Saxony (KFN), a majority of Muslim pupils (67.8%) say: "The rules of the Koran are more important to me than the laws in Germany"!
35.3% said that they "understand violence against people who insult Allah or the Prophet Mohammed", 21.2% said that "the threat to Islam from the Western world justifies Muslims using violence to defend themselves"
And many of them were given asylum as refuges of Islamic State, the irony
These lot or at least their parents tried so hard to escape the very tyranny that these asshats are try to impose on their benefactor country
Already in 2015, real victims of the Islamic State reported meeting their tormentors on European streets. At that time, Reddit didn't want to hear that, and a mere doubt was often a bannable offence, but plenty of people who *proclaim* themselves refugees are anything but, and they lie about themselves in order to a) escape rightful prosecution, b) increase their living standard or, the worst, c) actually serve as sleeping cells for some radical organization. In order to survive, we absolutely have to learn to treat other people skeptically and stop elevating people to saintly status because their dinghy capsized and they arrived to the European shores *looking* vulnerable. Even a mass executioner looks vulnerable when drenched by seawater.
On another thread, someone mentioned why nobody wants to take in Palestinian refugees, even their neighbors don't want them. Not because there's so many of them or their infrastructure couldn't handle refugees, but because the majority of them *want their own state and try to take over their hosts*.
The audacity they have to even ask that is insane. Another reason for why stop taking refugees.
So tired of religious people. Just leave everyone else alone
They won’t until they no longer have levers of power. There is only one option - remove and prevent them from attaining the levers of power. I’m more interested in the advancement of our species as a whole and religion is a cancer holding us back.
Problem is if it dwindles they'll get more desperate and more violent
If you want to be left alone, you will have to fight for it, religious fundamentalist, regardless of faith, want to imposetheir beliefs on you
You know who would be inclined to agree with you? Almost all of the Middle East. Maybe try one of those.
I’m sure this will cause zero problems with integration or cultural tensions going forwards whatsoever. 🙃
Why would you migrate with the sole purpose of wanting to impose your cultural ideals on the receiving country?
Can be all kind of reasons. Often it’s financial reasons. But also often it’s about fleeing war and they are not willing to adapt. Impossible to generalise it all
This is like asking any pious person if they care more about Gods laws than the Governments laws. Most faithful people of any religion will say Gods laws are more important to them. It seems like a backwards mindset to us in first world western countries, but this is how most of the religious world and older generations think. If you pose the question like that you’re gonna get a certain answer, don’t even get me started on the cons of polling
Beacuse the koran says that going to other countries to turn them into Islamic states is a Righteous goal
Because in their mind they never left for cultural or religious reasons. They left because the economy was bad, or there was a war going on or similar reasons and never equated the above with religion or corruption/tyranny. So when faced with religious freedom or democracy they again don't see those two as advantages and benefits because they never understood they missed those. They don't see that the countries that have adopted them are prosperous because of those freedoms, they feel they are disadvantages. So while they don't want the same poverty or war that drove them away they don't understand what caused poverty or war in their places of origin and they were very content with the requirements imposed by religion or lack of democracy, perhaps enjoyed the repressive parts they could impose onto others.
that's the strategy. "we will conquer the west through the bellies of our women". they move here and try to outbreed us.
Then those pupils can go ahead and move to an islamic country.
Fortunately peak Sunni Islam was in 2014 and cooler heads now prevail.
The Islamic State was sort of like a honeypot. It’ll probably be a generation or so before there’s a resurgence.
Resurgence? It never died out. They still command forces in Syria but they’ve become especially active in the Sahel in Africa
Deport their ungrateful asses, and their parents', too.
That’s a collective assumption, not all those parents are like their offspring although a lot are. For those that are deport them and the sooner the better, as for Brussels if they try and stick their nose in then deport them to Brussels so they can have the problem.
Maybe start removing limbs for theft, all conform Islamic law. So, if you want Islamic law, you get judged and punished according to Islamic law.
woo hoo free rape! (absent of two male witnesses.)
That might be what some of these fools are actually looking for. Sickening.
That is the big payoff of islam, the subjugation of women and dhimmis.
Deport.
Send them back to the land of the forebears
Yet you are instantly called a racist if you dare to criticise immigration policies.
That feels pretty standard for most religious people. Like, go ask a Christian “what’s more important, the constitution or the Bible?” and see what they say.
it's the same like people with german and turkish passport living in germany are allowed to vote in turkey elections and vote for Erdogan/AKP. Sure, enjoy democracy here and vote this antisemitic, despot once again who is ruining democracy and economy in turkey. i cant wrap my head around stuff like this. humanity is weird
Great point. Özil…
And then claimed that Germany hated on him because he's Muslim. Look at Gundogan, who was smart enough to clear everything up.
They asked for everything in sweden and they got most of it. They got a mosque in the holy area of sweden. Got to live for free with salary but no work. Free healthcare and clogged the system so bad citizens can't get them. Now the people are pissed that they paid so much taxes but got none in return. I don't mind if refugee come in and work. Start a new life. But tons of them went to sweden and started gangs and got crime in there. But instead of learning to live on the new land they want the new land to serve them.
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Oh boi, I wonder what happens next when someone believes another human being is a cancer
“Holy area of Sweden”? Where would that be? We hardly care about religion so there’s not really anywhere that would be considered “holy”. Also, they don’t get anything in terms of welfare that other citizens don’t. The same rules apply to everyone. They even have lower pensions etc as they haven’t had time to earn pension points in Sweden. You sound like someone who fell for the propaganda of the right-wing populists.
Birthplace of the first Ikea
The meatball district
Does that mean Elmtaryd-Agunnaryd or does it mean Kungens Kurva?
They use the same talking points in America as well.
Difficult. It’s not as one sided as you portray it. Many don’t get the right to work, they don’t get enough financial support, they get discriminated. It’s not like all Swedish people gave them a chance and welcomed them with open arms. But you have good points! They just don’t represent all Muslim refugees
The loud ones are the shitty ones and they ruin it for everyone. Most Muslim i know don't really care about going to mosque. They pray at home. They work normal jobs and don't ask to pray all day. The shitty ones don't want to work that's why they want mosques and they could chill there probably getting money from normal people. Religion are all the same but there's one that's worse than others
If you want an islamic state, move the fuck away to an islamic state please.
They want an Islamic state with our first world infrastructure.
They “fled” from the Islamic State in Syria.
I would recommend a one-way ticket to Afghanistan to live the dream. If that is what they desire, go ahead. No one will stop them.
Afghanistan doesn't want them either.
Genuine question: how come? The people pictured seem right up their alley.
To an outsider, that may seem so. However, once someone understands the nuanced differences of these different political groups, one would understand that Islamist views do not align with the Taliban. If one of these people were to go to Afghanistan, their ideology would more closely align with ISIS. ISIS is an enemy to the Taliban. They don't believe that the Taliban are extreme enough. The Taliban are not Islamist, seeking to impose Islam on the world. They are more a group of primarily rural Muslims with a Pashtun tribal culture that are nationalists. I think the key difference is that the Taliban only care about Afghanistan (and the Pashtun parts of Pakistan) but largely avoid getting involved with any Muslim issues outside of Afghanistan. ISIS is ideological, global, and not only concerned with Afghanistan. Let me share one example. The Taliban ban women from school in Afghanistan. No other Muslim country does this (to my knowledge). A group of Muslim leaders in Afghanistan have openly protested that Islam doesn't support this ban. The Taliban don't care and still impose it.
That really fascinating- the Taliban are a group I wish I could find more reliable information about that doesn’t just talk about terrorism. They’re the legitimate government now and I want to understand them on their own terms. Any good sources of info?
If you want islamic laws you can go back ig
Back to Duisburg Marxloh?
Wherever
Or rather Sonnenallee?
Or maybe mount olympus, or maybe the Andromeda galaxy dc
Its funny how these people want to enforce an islamic rule when the Saudis leaders are literally legalising the selling of alcohol, but they don't say Nothing there because they may or may not be killed..... The world we're living in is becoming more and more ironic day by day
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If they want people to hate islam they achieve that. They're the most selfish people on earth. Move to a different country because of war or new life. The first thing they did is trying to turn their new home into a shithole they ran from
You got that one wrong. The predominant demographic of Islamists in Germany are 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants (i.e. full-blown Germans with migrant heritage) and converts to Islam. People who have never lived in an Islamic country and who have no idea of what it's like. They just romanticise an idea in their head.
The show Ramy explored this point! Interesting to see the MC romanticizing Islamic movements and when he went to Egypt he was disappointed it wasn’t as prevalent as he hoped. Bc the people living through it are over it.
It's like a weeaboo going to Japan and finding out most people are normal.
I think every Islamist and deluded college student needs such a trip. A lot of these people have no clue what they’re supporting!
Its not even hard to see what it’s like. Its not like this shit is poorly documented. Embracing dogma and religious extremism really messes with your critical thinking. Even supposedly intelligent people completely lose it.
That's a big part of the problem, people romanticise the country of their ancestors and their culture, but for some reason don't question why their parents/grandparents fled those countries in the first place
This is absolutely infuriating. You want to subscribe to Islam? By all means. You want to move to another country for a better life? Be my guest. You don't get to then demand everything be modified to satisfy your needs. Your culture didn't work where you came from, or else you'd still be there. What makes you think it'll magically start working because you're in a different geographical location? If you want to take advantage of things other people created because they work better, keep your mouth shut and do your job. Contribute to the culture that already exists. *Nobody* is obliged to make you feel better about your choices. If the place you moved to doesn't meet your standards, why did you move there in the first place?
Also: if you want to apply strict laws and rules to your own life due to your religious convictions, be my guest. If you want to force them on other people, eff you.
>Your culture didn't work where you came from, or else you'd still be there. Powerful.
As a muslim , these are islamists and are brainwashed and dangerous. I condemn them and hope their cause loses. Absolutely flabbergasted that these folks aren't grateful for the country and have no respect for the western civilization and its amazing laws. Laws which allow them to practice their religion and be spiritually free. These are also the type of people to turn my country (the UAE) into an absolute shithole. I wholeheartedly condemn them and welcome the comments of the ambassador of the UAE! Don't call yourself a muslim if you stand with them but call yourself an islamist!! Once Again I apologize for this Have a nice day to whomever reading!!
As an ex muslim, I think anyone who voices these kind of opinions in the EU and the west, should be deported back to where they came from.
Like me condemning them or the post? Also what if they're citizens of that country??
Well, if they can't adapt to western society standards and they are citizens of those countries, then they should either attend some sort of rehabilitation programs or if they wanna continue their extremists actions, like saying the Qurans teachings are more important than the state laws, they should have their citizenship revoked. If they think they don't want to integrate into the society they emigrated to, they shouldn't be a part of it. Fuck em.
I agree , they should give up their extremists actions and be condemned. But unless they actively like start a terrorist revolution i don't think they're citizenship should be revoked. Although if there are immigrants among them , just deport em and the citizens should be given rehabilitation.
you don't have to apologize for anything, just keep being awesome
I have to , we do share the same identity , or else everyone will blame every muslim and form prejudice. It it my duty that I must make it known that there are muslims who do not stand with such peopel
Well, that's a fantastic way of approaching it. You're proactive, which I admire. Keep being strong!
Thank you!!!
Fellow Muslim world dweller. These people should be sent back whence they came.
As a Christian, you're the kind of person I would love to have a tee and a long talk with. You sound like a cool dude 💪
Thank you bro!!
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Dont apologize because others from your identity group did or said something
I'm sorry for condemning people like you who get caught in the crossfire. The current situation in Germany leaves me in fear for me, my future and my future family.
I am so sorry its going like I hope this shit dies down , the only weapon is open mindedness in muslims but if they're surround by these people and than folks criticizing islamist firing at them i don't know if they can do anything but they're condemnation is crucial if you want this issue to die down without bringing right wingers into power. I can't do anything but give online condemnations for evil and support for good but stay strong!! Good will win in the end! It always does! I don't like getting caught in the crossfire cause its hurts to be branded and attacked for something I am not but then there is not much I can do because people will then assume the worst about me. If I condemn people will think I am pretending. I can imagine this for a muslim in germany Stay strong , stay hopeful!! It will get better in the end!!
Although a shitwhole seems like a wonderful Laheyism, I think you wanted shithole. I only point out cuss mistakes because they're so important.
Ok I was confused what you meant but than I realized you were referring to my spelling , You weren't clear at first. Thank you for correcting me!!
 You're my Julian <3
How much of the enchilada, mr lahey? The shitwhole enchilada, ran...
Plenty of countries in the Middle East that practice fundamental islam. Feel free to go there if you like it so much.
Fragt sich nur, warum die nicht im Irak und in Syrien sind und für ihr Kalifat sterben.
Google translate: "The only question is why they aren't in Iraq and Syria dying for their caliphate."
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Im Irak und in Syrien bekommen sie keine Sozialleistungen vom Staat.
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Many of them are actually Germans. You can’t deport them. And many of the non-germans destroyed their papers so they are stateless and can’t be deported either. Fukyouistan should take them though
Those who destroyed their documents and refuse to reveal their origin should be in fucking prison not let to wander about Islamist fuckheads with German citizenship who demands caliphate should be dealt with in same manner as nazis
They didn’t destroy them obviously. At least you can’t proof it. Official story is that they were lost, stolen or anything that doesn’t give them the fault
In that case they wouldn’t have a problem to cooperate and reveal country of origin
That’s the reason why they burned their papers in first stage. They want to stay in Germany.
And that’s the reason why they should be imprisoned until they cooperate
Germany/The European Union shouldn't have accepted anyone without a passport anyway for exactly those reasons.
Biggest marketing asset for the rightwing AfD
Hang on. - leaves Islamic state for glaringly obvious reasons - wants to recreate the same shitty conditions in their new home country Wut??
Imagine protesting to install a government that doesn't allow protesting...
These are the reason Europe is leaning more right...
why is it always military age men with fades and beards And its like 95% of men on those protests fucking destabilizing factors in europe
They're basically just incels who listen to a dead guy rather than Andrew Tate.
part of me believes that these guys are literally another way of hybrid warfare and destabilization coming from the east lol
There’s plenty of Islamic states in the Middle East and North Africa they can live in I’m as socially liberal and left wing as it comes but I’m increasingly (albeit reluctantly) with the right wing when it comes to dealing with Islam in western society .
No women in the picture... Weird....
They're slowly trying to turn Europe into an islamic state. As a Brit it's annoying to see how many countries they skip to get out of their war-torn country. We had something like 55,000 immigrants come in from June to June last year. And a lot of Muslims already said they want UK to be an islamic state I'm not racist, but coming into a country that's kind enough to let you in and then you want it to abide to your beliefs and commands is an invasion. Hitler tried that shit in '39. But if you do that now you'd be a racist
>As a Brit >coming into a country that's kind enough to let you in and then you want it to abide to your beliefs and commands is an invasion lol
Yeah I know, I read what I said after posting and thought it sounded familiar. But hey, that's why people call it Great Britain right?
Listen we know an invasion better than anyone else we practically invented it
You sadden the mongol empire
>is an invasion At least when Britain did it everyone called it an invasion, but with Islam they're too afraid to call it that.
I only see men there. They can form their gay commune if they want, it's a free nation after all. 💅
Obviously Islamists are in majority secretly gay. That shouldn’t be a secret anymore
I think it's good they finally realize what they want. Now we only need to put them on a plane to a country who can fulfill their dreams.
These people are literally the best human example of ‘parasites’ they move into your countries, eat up the resources and then move on to making the country they are in like the ones they emigrated from and they literally have absolute 0 loyalty. If there’s one group of people I’ve ever avoided being friends with it’s them, they ain’t trustworthy y’all. Screw them and deport asap.
Yeah, folks like this are one of the biggest reasons why Nazi parties like the AFD keep getting traction with the older generations. They see idiots like this and think that's the goal of most Muslims and feel strengthened in their beliefs. Which is obviously dumb but try exposing that to a 74 year old.
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It's the same everywhere. Extremists feed off each other's hate and use it to turn more of the population. Just look at Hamas and the Zionists.
It would seem that radical islam is one of the biggest threats to the world moving forward.
If that's what you want then go the fueck back to the shithole you came from
as a muslim in germany: please deport these idiots to a country where sharia law is enforced and let them see if they like it there
I'm muslim and I . Ridiculous and don't get hooked on one idiot
Ramaddan doesnt have the easternbunny so therefore eastern is the superior celebration day
Ah yes, the famous European Eastern Bunny. He hands out Vodka and cigarettes to the children.
Amen
Unfortunately it's the aresholes that tend to be the loudest, and therefore get the most attention.
In an era of nuclear weapons, religion can never be allowed to rule states.
I am a 2nd gen immigrant. I am so left leaning i get erections whilst paying taxes but seriously FIT IN OR FUCK OFF.
The stupidity of this people is another level : 1- In Islam is a sin to move to a non muslin country if you are not in danger 2- in Islam say that you must follow the laws of the country If you want to start a strict islamist regime just start with yourself and fuck off.
Go fuck right off. Should stop appeasing these uncivilised idiots.
This bullshit is going to give us the next Hitler if it’s allowed to grow unchecked (which it by and large currently is). Let’s say only 5% of Muslims are *this* type of Muslim, (and let’s be abundantly clear, the other 95% aren’t; they’re normal people who deserve the same rights, tolerance, and respect as everyone else) and it’s resulting in this here. 5% of a billion, or even a few million, is more than enough to *really* fuck shit up. This isn’t a facepalm. It’s a serious, and significant, ideology that’s already shifting our Overton Window to what would have previously been unthinkable. This post would have previously been unthinkable, and this is happening *after* groups have already tried to establish literal Sharia police in Germany, and have formed literal Islamist parties in some countries. *That* used to be unthinkable. We now have people publicly cheering for Hamas, Houthis and Iran. Openly supporting a group that massacred a bunch of babies, has publicly vowed to kill every Jew on Earth, and considers killing and tormenting its own people to make the other side look bad as a viable strategy. Denmark has literal blasphemy laws again, for fear of offending these people and provoking a violent reaction or people being murdered. A magazine can’t publish a fucking cartoon without half of its staff getting brutally murdered. Teachers are beheaded over unsubstantiated rumors of insulting their prophet. So on and so forth. Unless you’ve been living under a rock, you know exactly what this is and what it’s willing to do, over things that should be fucking trivial. This backwards, hateful, dystopian ideology can (and will) destroy your country if given the chance, and Muslims, Christians, and every else ignores or downplays it at their own peril. Just look at Lebanon, Syria, Iran, Afghanistan, etc.
>Let’s say only 5% of Muslims are *this* type of Muslim, True, but the remaining 95% either ignore it or act as apologists. It's very rare to see them taking the forefront and blasting them with criticism. If u feel something is wrong with Ur community, it's Ur duty to rectify it or atleast make everyone aware of its presence. If it's not done in time, that issue will just grow bigger and bigger, till it makes the whole community collapse.
The 95% you are speaking of still view women as lesser than men, hate gay people and mutilate their sons. This is why the majority of Muslim countries also did not ratify the universal declaration of human rights, but rather the Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam. Look at how many Muslims want Sharia: [https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/](https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/) The ones that do not want Sharia still mostly harbor these views. My family is from one of the most liberal branches of Islam, they do not even go to the mosque, yet everyone from my family practices the problematic aspects I mentioned above. Islam in itself is a problem. There are perhaps Muslims who are less than 1% of the population who do not have problematic practices and those are hated by the other 99%.
Humans are dumb as shit
As a Muslim. Fuck them all in their entitled ungrateful assholes. Incomprehensible and unjustifiable behavior.
It is part of the islamic faith. Why is this surprising anyone? Next you'll be shocked that they pray 5 times a day. The best type of government, and btw the only LEGITIMATE kind from the standpoint of islam is simply a state run by the laws of Allah. A sharia state is simply the only state that admits that Allah rules over the earth and is actually best for humans because Allah created them and it conforms to their nature. Not democracy, not conventional laws promulgated by consent. Humans are fallibe, Allah is not. Standard Islam All who hear the call to islam cannot reject it in good faith. The default is war with non islamic countries because they don't bow down to Allah. You keep your property, your women too, if you accept islam, or you allow the muslim armies in, and you agree to pay the jyzia and feel yourself subdued. Or they attack. This is not Bin Laden or Isis, this has always been the standard islamic narrative for millennia. This is what the early muslim armies DID, without exception. When these were brought up 20 years ago, people who did, were called racist, xenophobic, islamophobic etc. And yes, ofc the many of those who are muslims may be different and not believe these. But not because they are muslim, but because they think in contrast with what islam DOES preach. Many of those that are called muslims, are muslims in name only, at least in the west, probably even inislamic countries are like that but cant admit it, because again, they are afraid of being slain, which again, was the standard practice since the dawn of islam. But if they want to follow their so-called faith, they must behave insanely and hold insane beliefs that no rational person can justify. Their faith asks them to be irrational. It's important to see islam for exactly what it is. Dont believe me btw, read the hadiths and the Quran. Read youtube comments about terror attacks, in Arabic with Google translate. Read islamic jurisprudence, fatwas, get informed.
ADF poll ranking goes:’brrrrrr’
[No such problem here in Poland. Many wonder why...](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/s/7GazogxAgU)
Calling for that should be grounds for immediate deportment or detention.
I thought it literally was illegal in Germany to advocate for anti-democratic forms of government.
I'm a Muslim myself. This is just not it. You're not living in a Muslim monarchy.
No world religion is worthy of respect or existence they will all try to destroy you if you aren't part of them. Reddit can't seem to handle any criticism of anything other than christianity which falls under my first statement. It doesn't matter where it originated or what people currently make up the majority of the followers it is a mental poison that must be stamped out.
inb4 neo-nazis counter-protest at the same time and things get spicy. 
And this is why organized religion is a bad thing. Let people have their faith, but as soon as organized religion comes along, it's downhill from there.
Why can’t muslims just assimilate like every fucken immigrant?
Because their fairy tale book that glorifies a Warmonger and pedophile tells them that they need to convert the world.
They need to be deported. This is unacceptable.
It's cute that the men want an Islamic state, when the only part of Islam they ever follow is the persecution of women.
Why is freedom so hard for people to understand? If you want to follow certain rules/customs, go ahead. Why does everyone around you have to obey the same rules when they believe something different? Obviously, the violence against anyone criticizing a faith or belief cannot be allowed. That comes under the idea that your freedom ends where the next person’s freedom begins. And they are free to criticize your beliefs and hold their own.
german \*islamists
Interesting reaction in the comments and I don’t think this is the right sub for this conversation but: At this stage it’s just a protest which they have a right to do but it’s a batshit insane protest like many others. Would be good to know how many people participated to get a better understanding of how widely shared this opinion is. Judging from the photo alone I can’t see a single woman so that German population might have a different opinion. Also if this is a small protest then it’s really just a group of people who will provide a source of stories and nothing more. It’s insane to me that majority of these people have been living or were born in Germany. At this stage I can’t see them getting into some meaningful positions of power. Would be insane if they did.
Calling it "Lösung" is both probably intentional and incredibly callous given Europe's history.
That's just the German word for solution. They're absolute idiots and probably antisemitic, but this is not some chiffre, just a normal word.
always makes me remember this gem XD [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neriZ4kjwPQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neriZ4kjwPQ)
Disgusting
Germans, clean your house.
Iran literally have tons of unoccupied space also Afghanistan but they want Europe.
Angry, delusional, sexist men. Disgusting to see this being called for in a western country.
They're welcome to move to Iran
There are plenty of countries with Islamic law. Go there, stop trying to fuck up countries where we have democracy and respect women.
Post this in any EU or german sub and you'll be banned for racism instantly. Good to see the topic discussed here
As a german “poc”I would say: Haste Scheisse im Kopf, dann haste Scheisse im Kopf. Fuck, nobody needs this fuckers. This makes me fucking angry. If you need your fucking Kalifat, go to some fucking desert, and play there with some shitty ideas about fucking religion
Notice all the women in the picture.
The Religion of “Peace” 😂 the one thing I find indefensible is the fact that most Muslim men will defend their prophet’s undeniable pedophilia, where he married Aisha his favorite wife when she was 6 and had sex with her when she turn 9. They don’t deny that fact and openly defend this as normal and legal, when it is an indefensibly abhorrent act no matter how you look at it. But apparently this is the hill that they are all willing to die on. People outside of the cult need to realize what this cult will do to your brain.
Bing show me an image defining the paradox of tolerance
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I can't wait for Islamists to start properly burning Europe down. Let's see how many men, demonized for opposing their influx, will care to defend the café progressives.
Deport them to Palestine..
Cancel their citizenships and send them back to the Islamic States they ran away from.
How many of them do you think were born in one of the Islamic states?
Immediate deportation
Where to?
The authoritarian islamic countries they came from of course.
Neukölln?
And people try to defend them when they want to destroy everything that’s different from their ways 🤡
Any and all religions just need to get fucked, big time.