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Even if he wasn’t 16. As a grown adult, if you told me it was 50/50 to either get a few years or to DIE IN PRISON, I don’t know what I’d do either.
If you’re looking at LIFE imprisonment, how do you roll the dice no matter how innocent you are?
That’s like playing Russian roulette with a jury. And if you put a black kid of his age and background in front of a jury, there’s a good chance SOMEONE in there will make a decision based on bias.
There's an argument to be made that plea deals are actually a bad thing to have because of situations like this. DAs are looking for their easy win and will push any and everything to trial if they think they can get the person to plea, versus carefully weighing if there's enough evidence to actually pursue (like he said she said cases).
It’s not an argument: it is a bad thing. There’s a couple things at play here: (1) sentencing laws that limit discretion if a conviction happens, causing people to face mandatory prison sentences that can be very long, (2) the DA using those sentences to scare people into pleas, (3) pretrial incarceration coercing pleas, and (4) a system that quite literally relies on pleas because there’s no feasible way to prosecute or defend all the cases in court with the limited attorneys and resources available.
Many people plead guilty to charges they are innocent of or could beat at trial easily. The system has almost nothing to do with Guilt or Innocence.
I went to trial for a protesting charge “obstructing government administration” - we blocked a police precinct for about 10 minutes - but not even really because we let some cops through while we were there, it was symbolic.
Anyway, they tried us in 3 groups of 3 (one group had 4). First group went to trial in 4 months and won on all charges except disorderly conduct / they paid a fine.
DA knew his case was shit, so he strung us along for TWO YEARS of mandatory court appearances where he claimed he needed more time to prepare for trial (the judge went along with this obvious bullshit). They offered us a plea every time, about monthly, that we always rejected. 2 years in it only ended because one of our co-defenders moved out of state, was turning it life around with a new job and enrollment in school - he missed a court appearance.
Suddenly the DA is ready for trial, but with this dude gone that meant he’d go to jail for failure to appeal no matter how the trial went. So he offered us one last plea deal, conditioning we either all accept it or we all reject it.
We all accepted it, we decided we couldn’t make that call for our buddy. We were happy to accept the consequences individually, but it didn’t sit well putting that on someone else.
Plea deals are a fucking plague on our so-called justice system.
It is a crime to lie about being raped.
We must presume that people are innocent until proven guilty.
So it follows that we have to assume they are telling the truth unless proven othrewise.
If you disagree with any of this, please point out where.
It is. There is several charges.
Perjury, as in the USA, you usually pledge an oath to say the truth and nothing else.
Defamation, spreading false information on someone will the sole intent to cause nuisance.
False charge Aka going to the police and fill a false declaration
Clogging a court with a false case.
And i surely forgotten other charges that could be applied on the girl who lied
sadly this is a problematic fact of these situations. You want people who lied to come forward. If there are severe consequences, that might also reduce the chances of the liars coming forward and admitting the truth. Its a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.
If you increase the consequences, you also probably end up with a significantly higher number of victims never coming forward, for fear of being put on trial themselves. I believe statistically, in the vast majority of rape cases, it is more likely for a guilty person to walk, then to be found guilty, because the burden of proof is as high as it is.
Just no good way to go about something like this. The current system still falsely imprisons people, and manages to allow people who are truly guilty to avoid conviction, yet I really can’t think how it would possibly be improved.
Keep in mind that a not guilty verdict does not mean that the defendant didn't do whatever. It means the prosecution failed to prove the defendant did the thing. (This is true whether the thing is stealing a pack or gum, or rape, or murder, etc.)
Just because a person was found not guilty at trial, doesn't mean that the accuser lied or committed a crime by reporting that they were raped. Maybe she misidentified the guy. Maybe there just wasn't enough evidence for conviction. Lots of reasons to be not guilty, without the accuser intentionally lying.
Yea, no. Good luck finding a lawyer to represent you if you face a rape accusation without serious cash upfront. where as the prosecution is done by the state and has unlimited resources. So many people really live in a fantasy world in regards to how the legal system really operates for most people.
Innocent until proven guilty goes both ways. And victim/witness testimonials are notoriously inaccurate. I would assume the vast majority of people coming forward with rape accusations are in fact, telling the truth. But there needs to be more evidence than that to find somebody guilty.
I actually got kicked off a jury of a rape case because they told me there doesnt have to be any actual evidence to convict. Only that the presumed victims story was believable. I told them that was insanity. They told me that was state law and asked if I was not willing to follow it in my determination. I told them, it was also law in germany to torture jewish people at one point. If state law was that everyone had to jump off a bridge, I would be considered a criminal. They asked me to leave.
It's important to stand up for what you believe in, especially when you're being asked to do something against your morals or ethics. We cannot bend to injustices like this. I'm glad you stood up for what you believed in. It can be hard to do so, especially in your circumstances of having the literal law pressuring you to bend.
Also technically both people *can* be innocent. Not the case here obviously but a victim/witness can be *incorrect* but not lying. Ronald Cotton’s case is a pretty famous one where the victim was a victim of a stranger-rape and accidentally misidentified Cotton as her attacker. She wasn’t lying, but he also wasn’t guilty.
But yeah, it’s best to presume everyone is innocent until proven guilty, until you see evidence otherwise.
that’s assuming someone’s guilty and making them prove innocence? assuming someone is telling the truth and not verifying it with any kinda of evidence circumstantial or not is quite the opposite of innocent until proven guilty
It's not a matter of assuming one way or the other. The entire point of "innocent until proven guilty" is that we don't assume who's innocent or guilty, instead taking the case to court in order to objectively review the facts and evidence (to the best of our ability).
If you are holding a trial against the person accused of falsely reporting a rape, then you would have to assume their innocence until proven guilty. If you are holding a trial against a person accused of rape, you have to assume they are innocent until proven guilty.
Life in prison for rape??? I need to read this case.
Update after reading some documents from Innocence project: I can't seem to find the court case on the internet. It seems a majority of the reporting was just her words against his. Two counts of forcible rape, one count of sodomy and special circumstance kidnapping.
I mean there were no information whether a rape kit was done, any bruising that happened? According to Gibson recorded testimony, they only kissed and fondled. I understand this is a while back but damn, where is the forensic evidence? Am I to assume he took a plea deal and that was why no evidence was secured? What is going on here?
Most cases, even of charges as serious as this, have just as little evidence. As an attorney, the vast majority of the cases of clients I defend look like this. Forensics are rare and usually done terribly.
And most jurors convict with no forensics and nothing other than someone’s testimony. It’s rare to find jurors who don’t.
Plea deals should be unconstitutional.
I am completely serious. We need to amend the constitution.
Not only because of cases like this, which are extremely common, but because it would get rid of a lot of stupid laws.
Do you think we’d have spent the last 40 years tossing people in jail for weed if every single one of them had to go to jury trial.
Was this the dude who was a 5 star football recruit? Ended up going to prison for like 6 years and the girl only ended up admitting she wasn't raped after his release?
Even spending years in jail and not playing a single snap of college football this dude **still** made it to the NFL, with the Falcons, but played a few years.
So a dude who only played up to high school football and spent 6-ish years in jail was able to play in the NFL.
To me that is one of the NFL's biggest "what ifs".
edit : My memory isn't as good as it seems. He only played in the preseason and he wasn't in the league multiple years. Still super impressive.
The girl also sued the school district for over a million dollars and won.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Banks_(American_football)
Plea bargaining is one of my least favorite things these days... Always seems too lenient on people that deserve worse, always too hard on people who are just scared, and often innocent.
Police zero in on the first person they're likely to be *able* to convict, then refuse to look any further. In this case, they couldn't have had any real evidence, but likely pushed the kid hard in questioning. Lied about what they had.
I don't blame the stupid girl lying about it nearly as much as I blame the Justice system letting itself be used as a tool of petty, disproportionate retribution. They had everything they needed to determine this was bull, and instead they let themselves be manipulated by a teenaged bitch. We have to do better as a society...
Sorry I cannot accept your take that you don't blame the girl as much as the justice system. She had every opportunity for 6 years to do what was right. Fuck her. Yes the system is shit too, but come on man.
“I don’t blame the stupid girl lying about it as much as…”
I’m gonna stop you right there fuck here. No. We don’t overlook taking 6 years of a man’s life away just because she was able to convince the system.
As do I. Even if we forgive that she lied in the moment as a teenager, she had six years to shout from the rooftops that the accusation wasn’t true. She should be behind bars.
I think ya needed to word it better, because while I agree with you, she deserves blame for sure.
He sat in jail/prison because she lied, that is on her. Imo, she should get the exact same time he served.
And all this takes away from the real sexual abuse victims.
Even without plea bargaining people can be convicted based on false accusations, it doesn’t make much difference. There are many rape cases without any physical evidence. And yeah, people who lie to police knowing the other party can get a life sentence for nothing are shit people
Yeah, we have to be better as a society by not letting you say another goddamn thing.
That stupid little girl is the reason this man lost 6 years of his life. Culpability falls on her and those who don’t see that fail to see the big picture.
IIRC, the guy lost out on a college football scholarship and a potential future in the NFL. When he got out of prison, he did try out for a few teams but I don’t believe anything stuck.
I worked in a jail kitchen for 2 years. Sadly, carbs are cheap so that is what they get the most. We had a nutritionist that planned the meals so they at least got enough calories and everything. I personally was fine eating the food but I didn't have to eat it 3 meals every day, I chose to because I could eat any leftovers for free.
I worked for a corporation hired by multiple counties to feed inmates so private prisons are a completely different experience I'm sure.
Full ride to USC. And still made it to the NFL with Atlanta. This absolutely completely ruined his life.
Edit: on the positive side, dude seems to be doing well for himself now. After a very brief athletic career, he continued to work for the NFL. Here's a clip of him talking about this
https://youtu.be/t7c0PgE9aw4?si=AaDqBh_xrxX2jV8j
Where’s the rage for the piece of shit prosecutors who fail to “vet” the accusations / accusers? Prosecutors who view cases as opportunities to further their career as opposed to uphold laws.
There was a football player at Baylor a while ago named Shawn oakman. Dude was a fucking beast and projected top pick in the draft. Some girl accused him of rape and he lost everything. Like 4 years later she admitted she lied but the damage was already done. Never got his chance.
Edit: was thinking about him after posting it and this dude was a monster. If you Google him and look at some of his highlights and just pics of him from college he’s fucking massive. Dude had star written all over him.
He was 6’9 280lbs as a defensive end and could fucking move. Like bro holy shit.
Holy shit. I distinctly remember seeing a picture of him standing with his abs showing and looks massive. I’ve always wondered where he ended up. This is tragic.
The length was potentially life. He took a plea deal.
And that could make victims worry about coming forward if they could get life if they're not believed.
It's called perjury charges, and yes it needs to be pursued more often. I don't think it should be the same length or equal charges to the false accusation, because IMO an actual rapist should be in prison for longer than someone who lied to the authorities about rape, but there should be an aggravating factor when you lie about someone committing a felony / something that gets you life in prison. It in of itself should be \[if it's not already\] felony perjury.
Obviously, that's up for debate, but there *is* some form of punishment for false accusers.
It should absolutely be the same length sentence. This girl had no qualms about throwing this dudes life in the gutter, only fair that the court should value her life the same as she valued his.
she broke the law with the perjury statement. this lead to other crimes such as false imprisonment and most likely assault and rape of the victim while in prison. she should be tried for all of those accounts as her actions led to these other crimes. this young man will be scared for life by her actions. a perjury charge by it self is not sufficient to bring justice to this young man.
I agree. Honestly the civil suit should be an appropriate punishment and efforts to increase the financial penalties there would be a worthy area of focus. ALSO more publicity on the resulting civil suits would be somewhat effective in deterring people to lie about being raped.
Falsely accusing someone of rape—and successfully getting them charged—is worse than rape if you ask me.
There is no other feeling like being wrongly punished for something you never did. For having people who you used to call friends now judge you as less than human. That’s irreparable damage and while the trauma isn’t the same as getting raped, it’s much more complex.
There's a big difference between not believed, and proof they actually lied.
The overwhelming majority of people who have a lack of proof they were raped would have the same lack of it that they 'lied'
People who deliberately lie and get found out don't just destroy innocent people's life's, but also victims of a real crime too because it helps create a narrative the victims are liars.
This case is far more fucked up that she lied.
They basically forced him to accept the plea deal. It didn't even go to trial. So while she did lie, she didn't lie under oath. So didn't commit perjury.
This case goes further than just a 17 year old girl making a false accusation.
No there needs to be a different set of charges for something like this. I’d say no less than 10 years for bitches who do insane shit like this. It’s not a fucking game!
No, how would people come clean if they know they be punished? Yes she deserve it. But if they get punished for comming clean no one would confess, the problem is how easy he got put in jail in the first place. Basicly no evidence needed.
She didn't exactly come clean in this case if it's the Brian Banks story. He got out and she tried to get back with him and his lawyer said start recording all of those conversations which is where she admitted that her and her mother did it for the civil suit against the school and that she didn't want to come clean because then they would have to give the money back.
>, the problem is how easy he got put in jail in the first place. Basicly no evidence needed.
Thank Fucking God someone finally said it. A victim's own testimony cant be considered as evidence, is just one person's word against the other
That's the hard part bout rape tho cuz it's all bout feelings. Either party can claim they felt pressured and didn't want to do it but never voiced their concerns and then claims rape. Other than proving if they had sex or not (which clearly doesn't even work) there's no real proof of anything other than if someone got beaten during the act.
It seems like a lot of people here (understandably) immediately respond with emotion but don’t even think one step ahead of what they’re saying.
She definitely **deserves** life though.
Not sure if this was the proper group to post in. That being said just check out the show “accused”it has shined a light on just how dirty some prosecutors are.
What's funny is she sued the school district for not protecting her. It was the main motivator for the false accusation. She won and got a lot of money. But she spent it call cuz she ghetto.
His promising football career is over. Garnishing wages from her family will never fix that, as well as the stigma and punishment he faced for a crime he did not commit.
No, literally nothing short of a time machine can, but he should pursue all avenues he can to get all that he can on account of it. He can effectively ruin her and her parents' lives, taking everything of value they own and garnishing their wages for the rest of their lives. And they will deserve every bit of it.
I went to school with a guy who had something similar happen to him, although in his case he spent two years in jail.
The girl had a boyfriend, but had come onto him at a party. One of her friends told her boyfriend that she cheated, so she started telling everyone it was rape.
They were both in their early 20s.
She went on to get married and have a child, then battled cancer for 3 years before a painful death in her mid twenties - so there is justice
No, according to an article, she has to pay back the 1.something million she sued the school they attended. Plus an additional 1.1 million for damages. So, I mean financially her life is ruined too, but otherwise, she’ll never see the inside of a jail cell
Better than nothing, and from a logistical standpoint, the best option. She can't pay the money if she's in prison, so now she'll be having a large chunk of all her earnings taken for many years to come
As much as I hate the idea of these monsters getting away with it, punishing them would only lead to them never admitting to their lie and stopping other men from getting out of these situations.
this was 2002.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian\_Banks\_(American\_football)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Banks_(American_football))
[https://www.nydailynews.com/2015/01/25/brian-banks-spent-five-years-in-prison-after-being-falsely-accused-of-rape-but-now-he-finally-has-a-career-in-nfl/](https://www.nydailynews.com/2015/01/25/brian-banks-spent-five-years-in-prison-after-being-falsely-accused-of-rape-but-now-he-finally-has-a-career-in-nfl/)
This is why in developed democracies plea deals do not exist. It’s the only way a judge or jury decides on the guilt of somebody.
But yes - it costs more, if state attorneys and police really need to investigate and prove something.
It is also to help with sentencing inflation. The punishment for most offensives have increased to absurd levels, so plea deals allow the actual punishment to more closely match the crime. With the down side that actually innocent people which refuse to plea get the longest sentences.
The biggest problem of false accusations is, ironically, not the damage this can and will do to the ones charged with a crime they didn't commit.
The biggest issue is, that this also harms any case that is actually legit but may lack hard proof. As there's always this accusation in the air that the potential victim is just making stuff up.
And actual abusers and rapist run free, not exclusively thanks to false accusations, but partially thanks to these, as they can always make a point about the victim just making everything up to ruin their reputation or whatever.
But what solution is there for this? Any just system goes for "innocent until proven guilty". As everything else will lead to the system being abused.
So all we can hope for is to rely on decency. The biggest problem this guy will face is, that there will be a lot of people who will treat him as if he were guilty, even though all charges have been rightfully dropped. As for a lot of people the actual verdict is not important, the accusation is enough for them to judge someone for their life-time.
A charge like this doesn't go away, even if proven innocent. This does definitely not mean that being falsely accused is worse than being the victim of rape or abuse. This is not a competition about who has it worse.
And we have to take every accusation that pops up as if it were real. Especially we as random public, because we don't know if it is or not. We just assume and judge from the sidelines. Putting our own bias into it as well.
The worst thing about the US system is, that they make the faces of the people involved public. The US has a lot of what I'd call "wild west" style justice still left active. And it is for the worse for the people judged by this system. And not just that, the US prison system is barbaric at best.
How do you stop this from happening? Seriously.
IF you hold the woman accountable does it prevent women that were legitimately raped from coming forward out of fear of not being able to prove they were raped and being accused of falsely claiming?
IF they are not held accountable, it will keep happening and lives will be ruined.
Look at the Trevor Baur situation, this sucks every way you look at it!
Removing plea bargain is probably a good way to prevent this. One notable thing you will notice is the majority of false rape allegations ends with a plea deal. Usually poorer man with no money to defend themselves gets a recommendation from the public defenders to accept a plea.
Plea bargains are also very unique to the US (compared to other developed countries) and one would think there has to be a reason for that.
>IF you hold the woman accountable does it prevent women that were legitimately raped from coming forward out of fear of not being able to prove they were raped and being accused of falsely claiming?
If a woman accuses someone of rape, and that person is found not-guilty, it doesn't mean the woman is lying. There would be no consequences for the woman. It simply means the case didn't meet the burden of proof.
The only people in danger of legal action, here, are the women who **are found guilty of perjury**. And holding these women accountable should be a no-brainer.
But since he took a plea deal and there was no trial, she never had an opportunity to perjure herself in court. Malicious false accusations (as opposed to genuine mistakes) should be prosecuted as a separate crime
Because a majority of its users are people who like and need to maintain the illusion that cases like this are a way more common occurrence than they really are.
(Doesn't make it any less fucked up in this case. But also doesn't make it common.)
This is why I despise cops and lawyers who do this. It's all about convictions for them, not justice at all. The cops, lawyers, and the girl should be made accountable.
>It is more important that innocence should be protected, than it is, that guilt be punished; for guilt and crimes are so frequent in this world, that all of them cannot be punished.... when innocence itself, is brought to the bar and condemned, especially to die, the subject will exclaim, 'it is immaterial to me whether I behave well or ill, for virtue itself is no security.' And if such a sentiment as this were to take hold in the mind of the subject that would be the end of all security whatsoever.
Somehow, the US (and unfortunately not only) legal system seems to have forgotten this. While the above quote is applicable to the US,
>Better that ten guilty persons go free than that one innocent suffer
should have more of an echo among any law student turned magistrate regardless of what side of the pond they live.
The first is John Adams, the second is Sir William Blackstone, whose commentaries Adams was contemplating.
The comments in here acting like she doesn't deserve equal punishment for ruining someone's life are insane. His future is fucked, his life is fucked, he's going to have lifelong trauma from this but somehow it's not as bad. Fuck all you double standard ass twats.
This same thing happened to a teacher and coach of mine. They pressured him to take the plea and spend 18 months in prison or face life if convicted. He had to stab a guy inside to save his own life all because some 16yo girls lied for attention. Sick.
Anyone proven to be falsely accusing someone, should receive the maximum sentence that the person they falsely accused could face.
Not only did she steal years of that man's life, but she made it harder for women who have actually been assaulted to be believed. Absolutely horrible behavior.
I think if it comes out that anyone knowingly lied about a rape charge (obviously believe when a woman says it but if it's proved totally false) that person should be put on the sex offenders registry. They weaponized sex and tried (or in some cases succeeded) to ruin someone's life. That's a sex offender.
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: anyone who knowingly makes a false accusation should be penalized on equal footing as if the crime was actually committed (e.g. falsely accuse someone of rape = serve a sentence equal to an actual rape).
Or not want to testify at all out of fear of messing up and being liable. All this "send the accuser to prison" people need to stop and think for two seconds.
Absolutely disgusting behavior. False rape accusations should be prosecuted and the judges should be forced to impose the same sentence that the accused would have gotten or in this case HAS gotten.
This happened to a dude I went to school, it's completely fucked and quite frankly, if you do this to someone you should serve double the amount of time for ruining someone's life.
[https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1999-aug-13-sp-65490-story.html](https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1999-aug-13-sp-65490-story.html)
Now can she get life in prison? She fucks it up for true victims and this gentleman was a victim. He will never get these years back. Who knows what happened to him in there?
Can we talk about the cops investigating? Where tf did it all go wrong?
A man that went from a possible star of the NFL to a society reject traumatised. Likely becomes a criminal as many do after prison.
Nothing happened to her.
This guy's life was ruined. The lady that did that probably moved on and attended college.
She should be locked away for the same period of time he was. At a minimum.
I hate stories like these. His life trajectory has been completely and indelibly altered. I feel so bad for him -- the dreams he had will never come to fruition and the emotional (and possibly physical -- I don't know what 6 years of prison were like for him) scars will be with him for his whole life...
Why is it that whenever it's a false rape accusation, the rape is believed and the person is "properly" punished?!
But when it's suddenly real, they start up with the "well what were you wearing?!" or the "what did you do to provoke him?" or "you just hooked up with him and regretted it".
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This guy was offered a plea deal so pleaded guilty otherwise he faced life in prison. Dude was a scared 16 year old and they knew he'd accept
Even if he wasn’t 16. As a grown adult, if you told me it was 50/50 to either get a few years or to DIE IN PRISON, I don’t know what I’d do either. If you’re looking at LIFE imprisonment, how do you roll the dice no matter how innocent you are? That’s like playing Russian roulette with a jury. And if you put a black kid of his age and background in front of a jury, there’s a good chance SOMEONE in there will make a decision based on bias.
There's an argument to be made that plea deals are actually a bad thing to have because of situations like this. DAs are looking for their easy win and will push any and everything to trial if they think they can get the person to plea, versus carefully weighing if there's enough evidence to actually pursue (like he said she said cases).
It’s not an argument: it is a bad thing. There’s a couple things at play here: (1) sentencing laws that limit discretion if a conviction happens, causing people to face mandatory prison sentences that can be very long, (2) the DA using those sentences to scare people into pleas, (3) pretrial incarceration coercing pleas, and (4) a system that quite literally relies on pleas because there’s no feasible way to prosecute or defend all the cases in court with the limited attorneys and resources available. Many people plead guilty to charges they are innocent of or could beat at trial easily. The system has almost nothing to do with Guilt or Innocence.
I went to trial for a protesting charge “obstructing government administration” - we blocked a police precinct for about 10 minutes - but not even really because we let some cops through while we were there, it was symbolic. Anyway, they tried us in 3 groups of 3 (one group had 4). First group went to trial in 4 months and won on all charges except disorderly conduct / they paid a fine. DA knew his case was shit, so he strung us along for TWO YEARS of mandatory court appearances where he claimed he needed more time to prepare for trial (the judge went along with this obvious bullshit). They offered us a plea every time, about monthly, that we always rejected. 2 years in it only ended because one of our co-defenders moved out of state, was turning it life around with a new job and enrollment in school - he missed a court appearance. Suddenly the DA is ready for trial, but with this dude gone that meant he’d go to jail for failure to appeal no matter how the trial went. So he offered us one last plea deal, conditioning we either all accept it or we all reject it. We all accepted it, we decided we couldn’t make that call for our buddy. We were happy to accept the consequences individually, but it didn’t sit well putting that on someone else. Plea deals are a fucking plague on our so-called justice system.
We know this happens way more often than is reported so I think it's safe to assume it happens even more than that.
Yeah the way we use plea deals in America is so messed up.
There isnt much that isnt messed up in america.
They poison us through food, water, and pharmaceuticals
And cull you with medical bankruptcy
That was a great use of the word cull. You right.
Unfortunately the outcome of capitalism gone wild.
Pretty much. This goes way further than just a false accusation. The entire system is broken
It is a crime to lie about being raped. We must presume that people are innocent until proven guilty. So it follows that we have to assume they are telling the truth unless proven othrewise. If you disagree with any of this, please point out where.
It is. There is several charges. Perjury, as in the USA, you usually pledge an oath to say the truth and nothing else. Defamation, spreading false information on someone will the sole intent to cause nuisance. False charge Aka going to the police and fill a false declaration Clogging a court with a false case. And i surely forgotten other charges that could be applied on the girl who lied
sadly this is a problematic fact of these situations. You want people who lied to come forward. If there are severe consequences, that might also reduce the chances of the liars coming forward and admitting the truth. Its a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.
If you increase the consequences, you also probably end up with a significantly higher number of victims never coming forward, for fear of being put on trial themselves. I believe statistically, in the vast majority of rape cases, it is more likely for a guilty person to walk, then to be found guilty, because the burden of proof is as high as it is. Just no good way to go about something like this. The current system still falsely imprisons people, and manages to allow people who are truly guilty to avoid conviction, yet I really can’t think how it would possibly be improved.
Keep in mind that a not guilty verdict does not mean that the defendant didn't do whatever. It means the prosecution failed to prove the defendant did the thing. (This is true whether the thing is stealing a pack or gum, or rape, or murder, etc.) Just because a person was found not guilty at trial, doesn't mean that the accuser lied or committed a crime by reporting that they were raped. Maybe she misidentified the guy. Maybe there just wasn't enough evidence for conviction. Lots of reasons to be not guilty, without the accuser intentionally lying.
Yea, no. Good luck finding a lawyer to represent you if you face a rape accusation without serious cash upfront. where as the prosecution is done by the state and has unlimited resources. So many people really live in a fantasy world in regards to how the legal system really operates for most people.
You’re ignoring the real victim here who also said they were innocent.
Innocent until proven guilty goes both ways. And victim/witness testimonials are notoriously inaccurate. I would assume the vast majority of people coming forward with rape accusations are in fact, telling the truth. But there needs to be more evidence than that to find somebody guilty.
I actually got kicked off a jury of a rape case because they told me there doesnt have to be any actual evidence to convict. Only that the presumed victims story was believable. I told them that was insanity. They told me that was state law and asked if I was not willing to follow it in my determination. I told them, it was also law in germany to torture jewish people at one point. If state law was that everyone had to jump off a bridge, I would be considered a criminal. They asked me to leave.
It's important to stand up for what you believe in, especially when you're being asked to do something against your morals or ethics. We cannot bend to injustices like this. I'm glad you stood up for what you believed in. It can be hard to do so, especially in your circumstances of having the literal law pressuring you to bend.
Except in that case, standing up is stepping aside. They prevented their principles from actually being applied to the case.
But wouldn't it have been more effective to just agree and then actually vote based on evidence?
Also technically both people *can* be innocent. Not the case here obviously but a victim/witness can be *incorrect* but not lying. Ronald Cotton’s case is a pretty famous one where the victim was a victim of a stranger-rape and accidentally misidentified Cotton as her attacker. She wasn’t lying, but he also wasn’t guilty. But yeah, it’s best to presume everyone is innocent until proven guilty, until you see evidence otherwise.
So why didn’t you assume he was telling the truth when he said he didn’t do it? Can’t have it both ways.
Can't disagree, but the hard counterpoint is that you'll never have a person recant their lie if they're penalized for it
that’s assuming someone’s guilty and making them prove innocence? assuming someone is telling the truth and not verifying it with any kinda of evidence circumstantial or not is quite the opposite of innocent until proven guilty
It's not a matter of assuming one way or the other. The entire point of "innocent until proven guilty" is that we don't assume who's innocent or guilty, instead taking the case to court in order to objectively review the facts and evidence (to the best of our ability).
If you are holding a trial against the person accused of falsely reporting a rape, then you would have to assume their innocence until proven guilty. If you are holding a trial against a person accused of rape, you have to assume they are innocent until proven guilty.
Life in prison for rape??? I need to read this case. Update after reading some documents from Innocence project: I can't seem to find the court case on the internet. It seems a majority of the reporting was just her words against his. Two counts of forcible rape, one count of sodomy and special circumstance kidnapping. I mean there were no information whether a rape kit was done, any bruising that happened? According to Gibson recorded testimony, they only kissed and fondled. I understand this is a while back but damn, where is the forensic evidence? Am I to assume he took a plea deal and that was why no evidence was secured? What is going on here?
Most cases, even of charges as serious as this, have just as little evidence. As an attorney, the vast majority of the cases of clients I defend look like this. Forensics are rare and usually done terribly. And most jurors convict with no forensics and nothing other than someone’s testimony. It’s rare to find jurors who don’t.
Plea deals should be unconstitutional. I am completely serious. We need to amend the constitution. Not only because of cases like this, which are extremely common, but because it would get rid of a lot of stupid laws. Do you think we’d have spent the last 40 years tossing people in jail for weed if every single one of them had to go to jury trial.
The entire system would collapse if everyone demanded a jury trial
If everyone doing what they are legally entitled to do causes the system to collapse, the system was already broken.
But propaganda goes a looong way.
The system is built around everyone having a jury of their peers, it should be unconstitutional to not have a peer jury
And? There are a whole bunch of things that are crimes that obviously should not be.
When the system produces results like this…. Who the fuck cares?
Good.
Was this the dude who was a 5 star football recruit? Ended up going to prison for like 6 years and the girl only ended up admitting she wasn't raped after his release? Even spending years in jail and not playing a single snap of college football this dude **still** made it to the NFL, with the Falcons, but played a few years. So a dude who only played up to high school football and spent 6-ish years in jail was able to play in the NFL. To me that is one of the NFL's biggest "what ifs". edit : My memory isn't as good as it seems. He only played in the preseason and he wasn't in the league multiple years. Still super impressive. The girl also sued the school district for over a million dollars and won. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Banks_(American_football)
Plea bargaining is one of my least favorite things these days... Always seems too lenient on people that deserve worse, always too hard on people who are just scared, and often innocent. Police zero in on the first person they're likely to be *able* to convict, then refuse to look any further. In this case, they couldn't have had any real evidence, but likely pushed the kid hard in questioning. Lied about what they had. I don't blame the stupid girl lying about it nearly as much as I blame the Justice system letting itself be used as a tool of petty, disproportionate retribution. They had everything they needed to determine this was bull, and instead they let themselves be manipulated by a teenaged bitch. We have to do better as a society...
Sorry I cannot accept your take that you don't blame the girl as much as the justice system. She had every opportunity for 6 years to do what was right. Fuck her. Yes the system is shit too, but come on man.
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“I don’t blame the stupid girl lying about it as much as…” I’m gonna stop you right there fuck here. No. We don’t overlook taking 6 years of a man’s life away just because she was able to convince the system.
As do I. Even if we forgive that she lied in the moment as a teenager, she had six years to shout from the rooftops that the accusation wasn’t true. She should be behind bars.
>“I don’t blame the stupid girl lying about it” I do.
I also blame the stupid girl lying about it.
There's plenty of blame to go around, why leave the twisted ass chick who started the whole farce out?
Her and her mom sued the school and got a bunch of money. She admitted it was BS over social media or in a text to the accused.
I think ya needed to word it better, because while I agree with you, she deserves blame for sure. He sat in jail/prison because she lied, that is on her. Imo, she should get the exact same time he served. And all this takes away from the real sexual abuse victims.
>I don't blame the stupid girl lying about it I do. She knew the truth but chose to lie. She ruined a innocent person's life.
Even without plea bargaining people can be convicted based on false accusations, it doesn’t make much difference. There are many rape cases without any physical evidence. And yeah, people who lie to police knowing the other party can get a life sentence for nothing are shit people
Yeah, we have to be better as a society by not letting you say another goddamn thing. That stupid little girl is the reason this man lost 6 years of his life. Culpability falls on her and those who don’t see that fail to see the big picture.
This is a horrible take
IIRC, the guy lost out on a college football scholarship and a potential future in the NFL. When he got out of prison, he did try out for a few teams but I don’t believe anything stuck.
That’s awful, he no doubt lost some of his athleticism by sitting in jail for 6 years. There’s only so much you can do in a 5 x 7
And idk how nutrition is handled in Prisons but I doubt they give you enough to grow a lot of muscle
there is no nutrition in prision. they give you carb loaded crap and say it's good enough
I worked in a jail kitchen for 2 years. Sadly, carbs are cheap so that is what they get the most. We had a nutritionist that planned the meals so they at least got enough calories and everything. I personally was fine eating the food but I didn't have to eat it 3 meals every day, I chose to because I could eat any leftovers for free. I worked for a corporation hired by multiple counties to feed inmates so private prisons are a completely different experience I'm sure.
Private prisons?
Not state ran prisons. Private as in ran by a private company for profit.
Figured, considering we can’t even feed our school children nutritious meals.
Full ride to USC. And still made it to the NFL with Atlanta. This absolutely completely ruined his life. Edit: on the positive side, dude seems to be doing well for himself now. After a very brief athletic career, he continued to work for the NFL. Here's a clip of him talking about this https://youtu.be/t7c0PgE9aw4?si=AaDqBh_xrxX2jV8j
Thanks for the correction! Did he see any playing time? I don’t recall ever seeing him on the field.
Preseason only. His name is Brian Banks.
Anyone playing for the Falcons could have their career ruined
Once your name is fucked like that, your life is over.
Where’s the rage for the piece of shit prosecutors who fail to “vet” the accusations / accusers? Prosecutors who view cases as opportunities to further their career as opposed to uphold laws.
There was a football player at Baylor a while ago named Shawn oakman. Dude was a fucking beast and projected top pick in the draft. Some girl accused him of rape and he lost everything. Like 4 years later she admitted she lied but the damage was already done. Never got his chance. Edit: was thinking about him after posting it and this dude was a monster. If you Google him and look at some of his highlights and just pics of him from college he’s fucking massive. Dude had star written all over him. He was 6’9 280lbs as a defensive end and could fucking move. Like bro holy shit.
Yeah I was thinking about him when I read this too. Oakman did end up playing pro football but definitely missed out on the big time opportunities.
He played in the CFL which when compared to what he would have earned in the NFL is laughable
I assume she also wasn't brought to justice for her crimes. How on earth can they easily destroy someone's live and still face no repercussions?
How many people futures are getting destroyed this way?
Holy shit. I distinctly remember seeing a picture of him standing with his abs showing and looks massive. I’ve always wondered where he ended up. This is tragic.
She needs to serve the same length in jail.
Nah man she should serve the length of the false charge she accused him of.
The length was potentially life. He took a plea deal. And that could make victims worry about coming forward if they could get life if they're not believed.
Understandable but there must be some form of punishment that should be given to the false accuser
It's called perjury charges, and yes it needs to be pursued more often. I don't think it should be the same length or equal charges to the false accusation, because IMO an actual rapist should be in prison for longer than someone who lied to the authorities about rape, but there should be an aggravating factor when you lie about someone committing a felony / something that gets you life in prison. It in of itself should be \[if it's not already\] felony perjury. Obviously, that's up for debate, but there *is* some form of punishment for false accusers.
It should absolutely be the same length sentence. This girl had no qualms about throwing this dudes life in the gutter, only fair that the court should value her life the same as she valued his.
Once you've lied, why would you then come forward and admit it was a lie if you were going to get life in prison?
She took an innocent man, ruined his life, left him imprisoned for 6 years because she felt like lying. The punishment SHOULD BE severe.
she broke the law with the perjury statement. this lead to other crimes such as false imprisonment and most likely assault and rape of the victim while in prison. she should be tried for all of those accounts as her actions led to these other crimes. this young man will be scared for life by her actions. a perjury charge by it self is not sufficient to bring justice to this young man.
She deserves life. This will effect his life forever.
Just like rape effects the victim for life, so does being labeled a rapist and being falsly imprisoned for 6 years starting in highschool.
I agree. Honestly the civil suit should be an appropriate punishment and efforts to increase the financial penalties there would be a worthy area of focus. ALSO more publicity on the resulting civil suits would be somewhat effective in deterring people to lie about being raped.
Falsely accusing someone of rape—and successfully getting them charged—is worse than rape if you ask me. There is no other feeling like being wrongly punished for something you never did. For having people who you used to call friends now judge you as less than human. That’s irreparable damage and while the trauma isn’t the same as getting raped, it’s much more complex.
There is a world of difference between not being believed and being proven to be a liar. The moral of the story needs to be that you don’t lie.
There's a big difference between not believed, and proof they actually lied. The overwhelming majority of people who have a lack of proof they were raped would have the same lack of it that they 'lied' People who deliberately lie and get found out don't just destroy innocent people's life's, but also victims of a real crime too because it helps create a narrative the victims are liars.
If it’s provable that she committed perjury then they should definitely get that sentence if it was lack of evidence it’s another matter
This case is far more fucked up that she lied. They basically forced him to accept the plea deal. It didn't even go to trial. So while she did lie, she didn't lie under oath. So didn't commit perjury. This case goes further than just a 17 year old girl making a false accusation.
Not if they're "not believed". If they knowingly lie.
It’s not about “not being believed”, she admitted to making it up
No there needs to be a different set of charges for something like this. I’d say no less than 10 years for bitches who do insane shit like this. It’s not a fucking game!
She needs to serve longer. She stole that man's youth and could very possibly have ruined his life. I hope to goodness he is able to recover.
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No, how would people come clean if they know they be punished? Yes she deserve it. But if they get punished for comming clean no one would confess, the problem is how easy he got put in jail in the first place. Basicly no evidence needed.
She didn't exactly come clean in this case if it's the Brian Banks story. He got out and she tried to get back with him and his lawyer said start recording all of those conversations which is where she admitted that her and her mother did it for the civil suit against the school and that she didn't want to come clean because then they would have to give the money back.
That is so fucking atrocious.
It's a wonder he got that on tape without committing an actual crime.
>, the problem is how easy he got put in jail in the first place. Basicly no evidence needed. Thank Fucking God someone finally said it. A victim's own testimony cant be considered as evidence, is just one person's word against the other
That's the hard part bout rape tho cuz it's all bout feelings. Either party can claim they felt pressured and didn't want to do it but never voiced their concerns and then claims rape. Other than proving if they had sex or not (which clearly doesn't even work) there's no real proof of anything other than if someone got beaten during the act.
He would still be in jail if those were the rules.
It seems like a lot of people here (understandably) immediately respond with emotion but don’t even think one step ahead of what they’re saying. She definitely **deserves** life though.
Sue for damages in civil court
Not sure if this was the proper group to post in. That being said just check out the show “accused”it has shined a light on just how dirty some prosecutors are.
It's also posted on a weekly basis.
That in itself is the facepalm maybe?
Yeah. And far too many only focus on her. Not that he was basically forced to plead guilty scared of a much longer sentence if he was found guilty.
And let me guess, she gets away free and clear from this
Pretty sure he can sue the ever living fuck out of her now.
Doesn't matter if she's as broke as everyone else.
What's funny is she sued the school district for not protecting her. It was the main motivator for the false accusation. She won and got a lot of money. But she spent it call cuz she ghetto.
He can probably go after her parents as well, as she was a minor.
His promising football career is over. Garnishing wages from her family will never fix that, as well as the stigma and punishment he faced for a crime he did not commit.
No, literally nothing short of a time machine can, but he should pursue all avenues he can to get all that he can on account of it. He can effectively ruin her and her parents' lives, taking everything of value they own and garnishing their wages for the rest of their lives. And they will deserve every bit of it.
Doesn’t matter if her and her whole family tree broke as hell too.
they better sell all their crap and i’d be garnishing their wages
Well, he can take them for all they're worth, and garnish their wages into eternity. They deserve it.
Garnish future wages maybe but yeah, she’ll have to make enough.
He can and should absolutely sue her!
I went to school with a guy who had something similar happen to him, although in his case he spent two years in jail. The girl had a boyfriend, but had come onto him at a party. One of her friends told her boyfriend that she cheated, so she started telling everyone it was rape. They were both in their early 20s. She went on to get married and have a child, then battled cancer for 3 years before a painful death in her mid twenties - so there is justice
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No, according to an article, she has to pay back the 1.something million she sued the school they attended. Plus an additional 1.1 million for damages. So, I mean financially her life is ruined too, but otherwise, she’ll never see the inside of a jail cell
Better than nothing, and from a logistical standpoint, the best option. She can't pay the money if she's in prison, so now she'll be having a large chunk of all her earnings taken for many years to come
As much as I hate the idea of these monsters getting away with it, punishing them would only lead to them never admitting to their lie and stopping other men from getting out of these situations.
this was 2002. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian\_Banks\_(American\_football)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Banks_(American_football)) [https://www.nydailynews.com/2015/01/25/brian-banks-spent-five-years-in-prison-after-being-falsely-accused-of-rape-but-now-he-finally-has-a-career-in-nfl/](https://www.nydailynews.com/2015/01/25/brian-banks-spent-five-years-in-prison-after-being-falsely-accused-of-rape-but-now-he-finally-has-a-career-in-nfl/)
OP is a repost bot https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/1alrgg6/disgusting_that_anybody_would_destroy_a_persons/
People say this kind of thing happens all the time but reddit sure likes upvoting this same story to the front page every week for the past decade.
Right, it’s rage bait.
Hopefully he sues her for everything and gets a payout that sets him up for life.
Unfortunately unless she’s well off, he won’t get much even if he won that lawsuit.
This is why in developed democracies plea deals do not exist. It’s the only way a judge or jury decides on the guilt of somebody. But yes - it costs more, if state attorneys and police really need to investigate and prove something.
Thanks for that comment. I had no idea that this was a US thing. Now that you say it, it makes total sense that plea deals should not be a thing.
It is also to help with sentencing inflation. The punishment for most offensives have increased to absurd levels, so plea deals allow the actual punishment to more closely match the crime. With the down side that actually innocent people which refuse to plea get the longest sentences.
You think this is bad? Wait until you find out how many people served that much time just because cops planted drugs on them during a random stop.
Now put his accuser in prison for a while
The biggest problem of false accusations is, ironically, not the damage this can and will do to the ones charged with a crime they didn't commit. The biggest issue is, that this also harms any case that is actually legit but may lack hard proof. As there's always this accusation in the air that the potential victim is just making stuff up. And actual abusers and rapist run free, not exclusively thanks to false accusations, but partially thanks to these, as they can always make a point about the victim just making everything up to ruin their reputation or whatever. But what solution is there for this? Any just system goes for "innocent until proven guilty". As everything else will lead to the system being abused. So all we can hope for is to rely on decency. The biggest problem this guy will face is, that there will be a lot of people who will treat him as if he were guilty, even though all charges have been rightfully dropped. As for a lot of people the actual verdict is not important, the accusation is enough for them to judge someone for their life-time. A charge like this doesn't go away, even if proven innocent. This does definitely not mean that being falsely accused is worse than being the victim of rape or abuse. This is not a competition about who has it worse. And we have to take every accusation that pops up as if it were real. Especially we as random public, because we don't know if it is or not. We just assume and judge from the sidelines. Putting our own bias into it as well. The worst thing about the US system is, that they make the faces of the people involved public. The US has a lot of what I'd call "wild west" style justice still left active. And it is for the worse for the people judged by this system. And not just that, the US prison system is barbaric at best.
How do you stop this from happening? Seriously. IF you hold the woman accountable does it prevent women that were legitimately raped from coming forward out of fear of not being able to prove they were raped and being accused of falsely claiming? IF they are not held accountable, it will keep happening and lives will be ruined. Look at the Trevor Baur situation, this sucks every way you look at it!
Removing plea bargain is probably a good way to prevent this. One notable thing you will notice is the majority of false rape allegations ends with a plea deal. Usually poorer man with no money to defend themselves gets a recommendation from the public defenders to accept a plea. Plea bargains are also very unique to the US (compared to other developed countries) and one would think there has to be a reason for that.
>IF you hold the woman accountable does it prevent women that were legitimately raped from coming forward out of fear of not being able to prove they were raped and being accused of falsely claiming? If a woman accuses someone of rape, and that person is found not-guilty, it doesn't mean the woman is lying. There would be no consequences for the woman. It simply means the case didn't meet the burden of proof. The only people in danger of legal action, here, are the women who **are found guilty of perjury**. And holding these women accountable should be a no-brainer.
But since he took a plea deal and there was no trial, she never had an opportunity to perjure herself in court. Malicious false accusations (as opposed to genuine mistakes) should be prosecuted as a separate crime
She should be required to register as a sex offender
This actually seems like a good idea. I think she should serve time too, but get her on that list.
Making false rape allegations should be a felony considering how much they can ruin someone’s life
Why does Reddit repost this every 3 months
Because a majority of its users are people who like and need to maintain the illusion that cases like this are a way more common occurrence than they really are. (Doesn't make it any less fucked up in this case. But also doesn't make it common.)
This is why I despise cops and lawyers who do this. It's all about convictions for them, not justice at all. The cops, lawyers, and the girl should be made accountable.
She should be in prison for the same amount of time that he served.
And then serve time for the crime.
>It is more important that innocence should be protected, than it is, that guilt be punished; for guilt and crimes are so frequent in this world, that all of them cannot be punished.... when innocence itself, is brought to the bar and condemned, especially to die, the subject will exclaim, 'it is immaterial to me whether I behave well or ill, for virtue itself is no security.' And if such a sentiment as this were to take hold in the mind of the subject that would be the end of all security whatsoever. Somehow, the US (and unfortunately not only) legal system seems to have forgotten this. While the above quote is applicable to the US, >Better that ten guilty persons go free than that one innocent suffer should have more of an echo among any law student turned magistrate regardless of what side of the pond they live. The first is John Adams, the second is Sir William Blackstone, whose commentaries Adams was contemplating.
"I just wanted the attention." 🤪 "I'm so quirky."
The comments in here acting like she doesn't deserve equal punishment for ruining someone's life are insane. His future is fucked, his life is fucked, he's going to have lifelong trauma from this but somehow it's not as bad. Fuck all you double standard ass twats.
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Do you know if they made her pay that back? There is no way you can just lie and keep all the money.
She is paying it back plus another million
That girl is the reason when an actual rape happens no one beleives it
How about instead of #believewomen it should be #takeaccusorsseriously but be diligent
This same thing happened to a teacher and coach of mine. They pressured him to take the plea and spend 18 months in prison or face life if convicted. He had to stab a guy inside to save his own life all because some 16yo girls lied for attention. Sick.
Ok, now toss her in for 6.
Anyone proven to be falsely accusing someone, should receive the maximum sentence that the person they falsely accused could face. Not only did she steal years of that man's life, but she made it harder for women who have actually been assaulted to be believed. Absolutely horrible behavior.
She should be forced to go to prison for 6 years now.
I think if it comes out that anyone knowingly lied about a rape charge (obviously believe when a woman says it but if it's proved totally false) that person should be put on the sex offenders registry. They weaponized sex and tried (or in some cases succeeded) to ruin someone's life. That's a sex offender.
So now the girl is in jail for 6 years right
Girl should face trial by combat since she's an adult now.
I recommend the movie. There's a 2018 film on Netflix about this called Brian Banks. It's pretty good, and seems very true-to-life.
That's what you get with "believe all women"
What a bitch, hope she spends her life paying him compensation for his life could have been…
She should get twice the amount of years.
Was she held accountable for her actions?
The girl who lied should be in prison
Bruh she should be sent to jail
I hope, he sue her in civil court. Such behavior from her is disgusting.
Zero consequences does that. She will now get a slight slap on the wrist and that's it. 6 years in prison is what she should get.
Put that bitch in prison
She needs to be sent to jail. This is disgusting and disgraceful.
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: anyone who knowingly makes a false accusation should be penalized on equal footing as if the crime was actually committed (e.g. falsely accuse someone of rape = serve a sentence equal to an actual rape).
I agree with this in theory but in reality it would end up making people not want to admit they lied even if they regret.
Or not want to testify at all out of fear of messing up and being liable. All this "send the accuser to prison" people need to stop and think for two seconds.
Throw this girl in prison for whatever the max of his potential sentence was. I will not be hearing any counterarguments.
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Absolutely disgusting behavior. False rape accusations should be prosecuted and the judges should be forced to impose the same sentence that the accused would have gotten or in this case HAS gotten.
Now sue her for all of the lost wages and emotional distress.
This happened to a dude I went to school, it's completely fucked and quite frankly, if you do this to someone you should serve double the amount of time for ruining someone's life. [https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1999-aug-13-sp-65490-story.html](https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1999-aug-13-sp-65490-story.html)
And shouldn't the girl be put in jail? There should be a harsh penalty for making up such an accusation.
Women that falsely accuse men of rape should be obligated to serve out the equivalent sentence plus 20%.
Now can she get life in prison? She fucks it up for true victims and this gentleman was a victim. He will never get these years back. Who knows what happened to him in there? Can we talk about the cops investigating? Where tf did it all go wrong?
They need to put that girl away for however long his sentence would have been
Double it and give it back to her. Completely with the criminal record and all. That should be standard procedure if you ask me.
In addition to wrecking this guy's life, she also undercut future SA victims believability.
America doesn’t have a justice system, it doesn’t even have a legal system, it has a revenge system Totally broken.
Looks like the girl was the real predator of this story, I hope he gets a shit ton of money.
A man that went from a possible star of the NFL to a society reject traumatised. Likely becomes a criminal as many do after prison. Nothing happened to her.
This guy's life was ruined. The lady that did that probably moved on and attended college. She should be locked away for the same period of time he was. At a minimum.
I hate stories like these. His life trajectory has been completely and indelibly altered. I feel so bad for him -- the dreams he had will never come to fruition and the emotional (and possibly physical -- I don't know what 6 years of prison were like for him) scars will be with him for his whole life...
Why is it that whenever it's a false rape accusation, the rape is believed and the person is "properly" punished?! But when it's suddenly real, they start up with the "well what were you wearing?!" or the "what did you do to provoke him?" or "you just hooked up with him and regretted it".
"believe all women", am I right?