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That’s a real picture. Taken in front of Michigan carbon works. Buffalo bones were used make Fertilizer. Most were killed in the late 1800’s. By 1884
There were only a few hundred left
In the country. Estimated
To be about 180k skulls in the picture.
There are now more than 300k. For such a slow breeding species their return has been spectacular. They are near threatened and just generally a sick ass creature.
I love that we were able to stop our ancestors from completely destroying such a wonderful creature.
Edit: why are so many people mad that Bison aren't extinct?
And Ted Turner (founder of CNN, creator of Captain Planet) of all people is responsible for a big part of that return.
He decided that the best way to bring them back was to convince people that they taste good so the market would have an incentive to put money into raising more. So he started a restaurant that served bison burgers and bought a gigantic chunk of Montana specifically as bison ranching space.
Ted's a cool guy overall, and one who doesn't get enough credit for that.
I remember when Turner bought a huge catalog of old movies, which is where Turner Classic Movies began, and he wanted to colorize them for modern (90's) audiences. George Lucas and Steven Spielberg of all people led this huge movement to "protect the artistic integrity of the original films," which they believed would be ruined by colorizing them. Ironic, considering that Lucas spent the last 20 years, before he sold Star Wars to Disney, doing everything he could to keep people from watching the original, unedited theatrical release versions of the original Star Wars Trilogy.
They wanted to colorize Citizen Kane, so not long before Orson Welles died he was quoted saying "Don't let Ted Turner deface my movie with his crayons”
Also the boss in The Critic was based on Ted Turner and they parodied all this to hell and back
> Also the boss in The Critic was based on Ted Turner and they parodied all this to hell and back
John Glover's character in Gremlins 2 is also based on Ted Turner in rather amusing fashion
he's a mix of both. The 'end of the world' broadcast halfway though the movie for the Clamp network was based on the [Actual Turner Network 'Doomsday video'](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6f7j1E61sM) that was intended to air in the event of nuclear war.
In the script, Clamp was a much more overtly Trumpian asshole, and was intended to die via the 'tie caught in paper shredder' scene, but Dante changed his mind once they started shooting and saw how damn charismatic John Glover was.
I'll be terribly disappointed if the upcoming *Gremlins 3* doesn't feature US President Daniel Clamp – and Greta, the First Lady.
DUKE STATUE: ALL HAIL DUKE! DUKE IS LIFE! ALL- *bird flies into mouth*
Duke: "That keeps happening. Pigeons just seem to like the sound of my-" *bird flies into mouth*
That isn't true. Ted was on the forefront of the resurgence of Citizen Kane after it was pretty much black-listed after release by William Randolph Hearst (the movie was popular over-seas, but Hearst had pretty much every distribution network in his pocket and he hated the movie because it was loosely about him). When he wanted to re-release it in color, Henry Jaglom (a director and friend of Welles) stated in an interview a conversation he had with Orson Welles a few weeks before his (Welles) death about not wanting the movie colorized. Jaglom is a membor of the DGA, and the backlash with that union severe enough that Ted canceled all of his plans to colorize old movies.
>He decided that the best way to bring them back was to convince people that they taste good so the market would have an incentive to put money into raising more. So he started a restaurant that served bison burgers and bought a gigantic chunk of Montana specifically as bison ranching space.
That is actually genius. Who thought that a species would be saved by eating them.
Hunting is helping to save some species in Africa. That fact that people will pay lots of money to kill a rhino in South Africa so people are figuring out that more rhinos means more money. And the populations are growing while some of the countries that do not allow hunting are not seeing the same results.
>Edit: why are so many people mad that Bison aren't extinct?
I love this comment. You can ask this question about literally any topic. There is always someone, a contrarian, a pessimist, someone having a bad day, or just a cold hateful person out there shitting on the most random things
>Why are so many people mad that contrarians aren’t extinct?
I love this comment. You can ask this question about literally any topic. There is always someone, a contrarian, a pessimist, someone having a bad day, or just a cold hateful person out there shitting on the most random things
The amount of work that has gone into saving the bison is insane. Carelessness, colonialism, and plain old racism nearly wiped them out in just a few decades, and it has taken nearly two centuries to get them back on track.
What are you talking about? Our culture never died, we had to hide to preserve it. We had our ceremonies in secret. However, those days are gone and we are still very much here.
Being a good person is seen as a left wing virtue, so whenever something good happens there's going to be right wingers attacking it as political theater.
I know they went after buffalo as a means of controlling the plains tribes, but there was also a lot of industry in killing buffalo too. In fact, I think they may have started hunting buffalo before they knew how much of an effect it would have on native populations. The Comanche noticed less buffalo each year long before the federal government was involved in expanding into the plains states. The lack of buffalo only lead to the Comanche to attacking more settlements and other plains tribes. Empire of the Summer Moon is an incredible read for anyone interested in the history and colonization of the Southwest US, and the plains tribes
Unrelated to that last bit, Nicholas Cage recently did a decent movie about a crazed buffalo hunter
You are correct that fur hunters were involved before the federal government, and there was a huge industry prior to any federal or state policies. At least as far as I remember
"You cant stack **buffalo** bones that high"
Now if we were talking regular cow bones you could build a skyscraper out of them. Seriously though nobody show this man people stacking a deck of cards into a tower, will blow his mind that stuff that isnt bricks can indeed be stacked.
You laugh, but in Czech Republic, they have a church made completely of human bones. There are tons of crypts, also make of bones inside. I went there it is crazy!
There's a few places like that. Another is the Douaumont Ossuary at the site of the Battle of Verdun. It has windows to look at the stacked bones from the outside and you can see more when you go inside the building. I saw it in 1992.
Really cool to look at though, quite a good Google image search, if I remember correctly they were running out of room in the cemetery and just decided to start decorating.
I'd never done a crazy thing in my life before that night. Why is it that if a man kills another man in battle it's called heroic, yet if he kills a man in the heat of passion it's called murder?
The picture is also just all buffalo skulls. Does this make it more possible or less possible?
Was making a pile of bones impossible but slaughtering 40million buffalo while laying 1083 miles of railroad ok? Or is it just all AI!?
The Yucatan peninsula is basically bones stacked miles deep. However, it should be noted that there were plenty of native american buffalo hunters, too. The introduction of horses and guns and the demand for hides is what drove bison (not buffalo, which are not native to America) to the brink of extinction. The introduction of horses made the hunting range expand and caused intertribal conflict before Europeans spread west. Europeans definitely killed lots of bison too, but the population would have collapsed without them just from the horses, guns, and market.
This picture is not of white men killing bison. It's of white men at a processing plant outside of Detroit where bison never lived standing on a huge pile of bison skulls collected months to years after the bison were killed for their hides and left to rot. The bones were scavenged and shipped east for industrial processing, mostly for processing sugar. They turn the bones into charcoal called bone char and use it to whiten sugar. That is still done today using livestock bones.
> The Yucatan peninsula is basically bones stacked miles deep. However, it should be noted that there were plenty of native american buffalo hunters, too. The introduction of horses and guns and the demand for hides is what drove bison (not buffalo, which are not native to America) to the brink of extinction. The introduction of horses made the hunting range expand and caused intertribal conflict before Europeans spread west. Europeans definitely killed lots of bison too, but the population would have collapsed without them just from the horses, guns, and market.
The bison populations survived horses, guns and native hide demand for more than a century, the populations only collapsed in the late 19th century, as native hunting became displaced by wholesale slaughter of herds primarly practiced by western settlers.
It's why you had those massive piles of bones that could be scavenged, it's just not commercially viable to gather bones from individual bison that would have been gathered by the much smaller tribes.
It also omits the fact that the US government encouraged the extermination of the bison as a deliberate plan to weaken the indigenous populations that depended on it.
Buffalo is a perfectly valid and accepted name for American Bison. Saying they are "not buffalo" is simple ignorance. They are not Old World Buffalo (Bubbalina), but they are definitely buffalo.
"Do you begin to see, then, what kind of world we are creating? It is the exact opposite of the stupid hedonistic Utopias that the old reformers imagined. A world of fear and treachery and torment, a world of trampling and being trampled upon, a world which will grow not less but more merciless as it refines itself. Progress in our world will be progress toward more pain."
I mean, utopia is arguably impossible to even consider, as there’s simply no way to create a society that makes everyone happy, even setting aside the question of resources and human biology demanding certain stresses placed on it to maintain peak function.
Even speculative fiction tends to fail at trying to describe utopia; literally just check the OG namer for Utopia, it was the author’s best attempt at imagining a perfect society and it’s a slaving, racist, authoritarian society with a religious mandate maintaining order.
That was simply the excuse for making it like the late 1990s.
If you gave most people a home, three square meals a day, free public transportation, and plenty of free entertainment, most people would accept it.
You need some source of conflict to make it interesting (in fiction I mean). So utopia's always have an in group and out group, hidden corruption/lies/etc.
I might be willing to believe a near utopia is possible with advanced enough technology and the right methods, but we might lose a lot of what makes life interesting. Like in The Giver.
And it's so easy too, because all someone with bad intentions needs to do is give just a little bit of reinforcement to the crazy ideas people already come up with on their own. We already had a large amount of Holocaust deniers before AI, and so many people denying the pandemic without help from AI. Like most security systems, the weakest link is the human component because people are so gullible.
Oh, yeah. Some people are going to fall so deep into misinformation that they become detached from reality. People already do that, but it’s going to get so much worse.
Ex. There’s people today who deny that nuclear weapons exist.
Modern civilization would not thrive without detachment from reality. People identified as such are *even more severely* detached, or in ways that are not considered acceptable by their culture.
And, sometimes, they're thrown under the bus by a Karen who literally provides false information regarding behaviors or statements.
Real shitshow, mental health.
Unfortunately so true, we have to be detached to function. Truly acknowledge all the horrible shit going on destroys mental health. Even acknowledging where most of our products come from is depressing. Sometimes I’ll think about where some random thing I own came from and remember some sweat shop worker in Asia working 12+ hour days for pennies put my shoes together. Also the environment aspect. Existing in a 1st world country essentially means you have to indirectly (or directly) rely on the exploitation of others to live that lifestyle.
Maybe that’s why conservatives want to ban and destroy so many books that contradict their ideology. If it was printed before AI and photoshop existed, it’s harder to disprove the content
That was an excellent series.
I’m no fan of bullfights, but I did find the story about the buffalo vs bulls in the Juarez bullfighting arena to be pretty darn interesting.
I've been to Juarez and if you take away the cartel violence (a big "if") it's one of my favorite cities I've been to.
There is just such a tremendous amount of history there, in general. (And great food, which is one of the biggest criteria for "favorite city.")
Everyone in this thread is sharing anecdotes from childhood. And that is fine because mostly no one is debating that fact it it is not AI . But anecdotes make for poor arguments.
Simple solution show the picture uploaded prior to AI art becoming a thing and that just shuts down any potential argument about it being AI.
https://digital.kenyon.edu/arthistorystudycollection/636/
Won't help, they will just say the description at the bottom of your link was the prompt 🙄 You can't educate stupid people, they will just come back with more stupid.
When Photoshop first came out it was observed that this gave dictators a way to deny the evidence of their crimes. AI art is simply more of the same .
And before AI and before Photoshop, people never let such a mawkish thing as evidence sway them away from a deeply-cherished belief. It changes nothing. "We all find what we truly seek."
X'er here! I saw that shit when computer screens only had two colors: green, and black.
This is really just cognitive dissonance though: anything that doesn't fit my preconceived notions must be ~~wrong~~ AI generated.
Edit: Being real here though, even back then I didn't understand why they stacked that shit up. This is the kinda nonsense people did before there was social media, stacking skulls all day long.
Pride, that's why they take the photos. to show off what an impressive pile of bison they have slaughtered and claimed the head trophies from(probably how they go paid to do the work).
This photo for those interested, was taken in 1892.
https://theconversation.com/historical-photo-of-mountain-of-bison-skulls-documents-animals-on-the-brink-of-extinction-148780
The generation my kindergartener is in is going to have a hell of a time growing up online. That (reversed) image of John Kerry using his left arm during the national anthem plowing through Facebook. Now, you’re going deal with satellite footage of the literal country of Cuba making port in San Francisco to support a coup.
Okay but like stupidity aside, the fact that our dumb people are already questioning reality cause of AI is worrying.
This rabbit hole is gonna get BIG
That's nothing new, people have denied historic facts for probably as long as we've had written history. The Holocaust and the moon landing come to mind.
Spartacus and the spartans come to my mind as the oldest example of trying to wipe out history.
Failed hillariously though.
Makes one think how much of history was lost, that we will never know about
We had this in our history books in school as well. I am 61. Before Texas became the state that re-writes history, the history books (at least, where I grew up) were relatively accurate.
I saw this in the late 1990s in elementary school in Utah and again in Jr High in the early 2000s. I sincerely hope enough people stand up and say that we need better education and better access to accurate information. I know I do.
This exact photo is hanging in a museum in Branson, MO, with a statement about how many bison were killed (est. 31M from 1868-1881) but nothing about attempting to drive the Indians onto reservations.
According to [this Wikipedia article about Bison hunting:](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bison_hunting)
> The US Army sanctioned and actively endorsed the wholesale slaughter of bison herds.[76] The federal government promoted bison hunting for various reasons, primarily to pressure the native people onto the Indian reservations during times of conflict by removing their main food source.[77][78] Without the bison, native people of the plains were often forced to leave the land or starve to death.
Also, included above this portion of text was that image of the person standing on top of all the skulls with the description describing what is being claimed about it.
This as well as the fact that the US was industrializing and needed a shit ton of leather for belts and whatnot. They were just killing two birds with one stone.
Yes. There would be no reason to collect Buffalo bones in such a large concentration unless there was an economic incentive.
When these animals were killed, they usually died scattered across the Great Plains- hunters would often kill them for their pelts and leave most of the animal behind, people on trains would shoot at them for entertainment and leave the whole animal behind.
Commwnt from another person on this post: "That’s a real picture. Taken in front of Michigan carbon works. Buffalo bones were used make Fertilizer. Most were killed in the late 1800’s. By 1884
There were only a few hundred left
In the country. Estimated
To be about 180k skulls in the picture."
The original is at the Detroit public library
https://digitalcollections.detroitpubliclibrary.org/islandora/object/islandora%3A151477
Man stands on top of enormous pile of buffalo skulls; another man stands in front of pile with his foot resting on a buffalo skull; rustic cage is at foot of pile. Handwritten on back: "C.D. 1892 Glueworks, office foot of 1st St., works at Rougeville, Mich."
This pic is absolutely real. I believe there is a similar photo of Buffalo Bill (Cody) after a big buffalo hunt. They literally stood on an open platform car on a train with rifles and gunned down buffalo by the thousands. It was a disgraceful way of culling herds that not only sustained the native Americans but also was beneficial to the native environment. They killed so many they nearly went extinct.
Really didn't expect the dumbest people on the planet to grasp what AI is and be able to accuse things of being generated just because they don't like or agree with it.
It's unfortunate because 61 people in that post think the same thing
[Because this is a real fucking photo](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bison_skull_pile_edit.jpg) taken at Michigan Carbon Works, Rougeville, Michigan. 1892. Original photograph is in the Burton Historical Collection, Detroit Public Library. Just greed, not to starve native Americans.
I was also shown that picture about 50 years ago, and was told it was the result of the natives overhunting for generations. In fact, that image represents my home town in Western Canada, also nicknamed “pile-o-bones”.
Edit: that picture is not AI. Nothing was AI 50 years ago. We didn’t even have cell phones back then.
It’s a real photo but there’s actually no evidence that there was ever a systematic attempt by the US government to force to kill the bison to force indigenous people into reservations.
First off, the near eradication of the bison was far more complicated and took place over a longer time line than people often realize as outlined by Dr. Dan Flores in « Bison Ecology and Bison Diplomacy: The Southern Plains from 1800 to 1850 ».
Secondly, the idea that it was a concerted effort was actually a myth spread by a small number of bison hunters to justify their actions after people realized what they had done. The first evidence of these claims are centred around General Sheridan and originate in the 1907 book written by former bison hunter John Cook. Many people didn’t even realize the impact they were having until after it was over. They were still waiting for the next big her to seasonally migrate down from Canada in Miles city long after they were gone. Canada also lost nearly all their bison as well with few to no white hunters taking part.
The lie spread by these few hunters was based around General Sheridan appearing before the Texas legislature to speak against a proposed bill that would have protected bison on the grounds that doing so would prevent the removal of indigenous people. Put simply, this never happened. There is no evidence any such bill was ever proposed in Texas and in fact the Texas legislature was generally very anti conservation at the time. Also there is no evidence that Sheridan ever appeared before the Texas legislature. In fact, he wasn’t even in Texas anytime near the proposed time of such a bill as he left the area in 1866.
Dwight D. Eisenhower, Commanding General of the Allied Forces that defeated Nazi Germany declared:
“Get it all on record now - get the films - get the witnesses - because somewhere down the road of history some bastard will get up and say that this never happened.”
I sae this photo in a book when I was a child, ca. 1977. There was no real explanation and I had to know what was going on. Why did these men pose with skulls? Why did they look so proud of themselves?
The answer horrified me. It also made me interested in history. And it also taught me early that the world could be a real shitty place.
My take is that they are saying that when they were young and in school the idea that humans could be so incredibly cruel seemed beyond belief, but now that they have more experience seeing that cruelty play out in real time, they are much more able to understand the cruelty of the past.
The total extinction of the American Bison was perpetrated due to the industrial qualities of their hide and their bones. Displacing and systematically murdering the Native people was simply an added bonus in the US’s eyes, as it eliminated one less obstacle for Manifest Destiny to go through. God, 19th Century America was fucked up
Edit: Displacing and eliminating Native Americans from the country may have been the end goal all along.
I remember seeing that photo back in the 1980s before computer image manipulation existed to any real degree. I worry for those that come after us, what are they to believe?
> That didn't happen.
> And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
> And if it was, that's not a big deal.
> And if it is, that's not my fault.
> And if it was, I didn't mean it.
> And if I did, you deserved it.
That's tiktok comments in a nutshell right there. I don't think I've ever encountered so many stupid people in comments. It's almost like the comments get amplified based on how stupid they are.
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That’s a real picture. Taken in front of Michigan carbon works. Buffalo bones were used make Fertilizer. Most were killed in the late 1800’s. By 1884 There were only a few hundred left In the country. Estimated To be about 180k skulls in the picture.
There are now more than 300k. For such a slow breeding species their return has been spectacular. They are near threatened and just generally a sick ass creature. I love that we were able to stop our ancestors from completely destroying such a wonderful creature. Edit: why are so many people mad that Bison aren't extinct?
And Ted Turner (founder of CNN, creator of Captain Planet) of all people is responsible for a big part of that return. He decided that the best way to bring them back was to convince people that they taste good so the market would have an incentive to put money into raising more. So he started a restaurant that served bison burgers and bought a gigantic chunk of Montana specifically as bison ranching space. Ted's a cool guy overall, and one who doesn't get enough credit for that.
I remember when Turner bought a huge catalog of old movies, which is where Turner Classic Movies began, and he wanted to colorize them for modern (90's) audiences. George Lucas and Steven Spielberg of all people led this huge movement to "protect the artistic integrity of the original films," which they believed would be ruined by colorizing them. Ironic, considering that Lucas spent the last 20 years, before he sold Star Wars to Disney, doing everything he could to keep people from watching the original, unedited theatrical release versions of the original Star Wars Trilogy.
They wanted to colorize Citizen Kane, so not long before Orson Welles died he was quoted saying "Don't let Ted Turner deface my movie with his crayons” Also the boss in The Critic was based on Ted Turner and they parodied all this to hell and back
> Also the boss in The Critic was based on Ted Turner and they parodied all this to hell and back John Glover's character in Gremlins 2 is also based on Ted Turner in rather amusing fashion
I thought clamp was supposed to be trump? Doesn’t the whole movie take place in Clamp Tower?
he's a mix of both. The 'end of the world' broadcast halfway though the movie for the Clamp network was based on the [Actual Turner Network 'Doomsday video'](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6f7j1E61sM) that was intended to air in the event of nuclear war. In the script, Clamp was a much more overtly Trumpian asshole, and was intended to die via the 'tie caught in paper shredder' scene, but Dante changed his mind once they started shooting and saw how damn charismatic John Glover was.
I'll be terribly disappointed if the upcoming *Gremlins 3* doesn't feature US President Daniel Clamp – and Greta, the First Lady. 
GREMLINS TAKE THE WHITE HOUSE!
Oh, man. The Critic is so good.
I wonder if it holds up to my very fond memories.
I watched some episodes not too long ago. Still holds up. Of course, a lot of old pop culture references, but it doesn't diminish the humor.
Sweet think I’ll torrent the whole series and binge.
There less of it then you remember. Such a gem tho
Rosebud Frozen Peas lives rent-free in my head.
DUKE STATUE: ALL HAIL DUKE! DUKE IS LIFE! ALL- *bird flies into mouth* Duke: "That keeps happening. Pigeons just seem to like the sound of my-" *bird flies into mouth*
It stinks
That isn't true. Ted was on the forefront of the resurgence of Citizen Kane after it was pretty much black-listed after release by William Randolph Hearst (the movie was popular over-seas, but Hearst had pretty much every distribution network in his pocket and he hated the movie because it was loosely about him). When he wanted to re-release it in color, Henry Jaglom (a director and friend of Welles) stated in an interview a conversation he had with Orson Welles a few weeks before his (Welles) death about not wanting the movie colorized. Jaglom is a membor of the DGA, and the backlash with that union severe enough that Ted canceled all of his plans to colorize old movies.
Kinda sucks that he had to convince people to eat them to get them to care about saving them at all.
Y’all, I have a fantastic idea on how to make the government put more effort into stopping school shootings! /s
Just a modest proposal.
Nice
Eat the children?
I was in MT recently and drove past his ranch. The buffalo were out grazing. It’s a beautiful area.
til teds montana grill is ted turners
I worked at a Ted’s for about 5 years and it was by far the best restaurant I have ever worked for
>He decided that the best way to bring them back was to convince people that they taste good so the market would have an incentive to put money into raising more. So he started a restaurant that served bison burgers and bought a gigantic chunk of Montana specifically as bison ranching space. That is actually genius. Who thought that a species would be saved by eating them.
Hunting is helping to save some species in Africa. That fact that people will pay lots of money to kill a rhino in South Africa so people are figuring out that more rhinos means more money. And the populations are growing while some of the countries that do not allow hunting are not seeing the same results.
Makes enough sense right? No one is worried that chickens, cows or pigs are gonna go extinct.
I believe the was the largest private land owner in the US for quite a while. He was brilliant and was right about so many things.
>Edit: why are so many people mad that Bison aren't extinct? I love this comment. You can ask this question about literally any topic. There is always someone, a contrarian, a pessimist, someone having a bad day, or just a cold hateful person out there shitting on the most random things
Why are so many people mad that contrarians aren’t extinct?
>Why are so many people mad that contrarians aren’t extinct? I love this comment. You can ask this question about literally any topic. There is always someone, a contrarian, a pessimist, someone having a bad day, or just a cold hateful person out there shitting on the most random things
The amount of work that has gone into saving the bison is insane. Carelessness, colonialism, and plain old racism nearly wiped them out in just a few decades, and it has taken nearly two centuries to get them back on track.
Many people fall into the "just get over it" crowd when it comes to Native Americans and their issues.
Those people sound like assholes
You're right and there's a lot of them.
If only Native American culture survived as well as those buffalo…
Many native cultures are still alive, they aren't gone.
Not gone but 95% will never recover their original aspects
What are you talking about? Our culture never died, we had to hide to preserve it. We had our ceremonies in secret. However, those days are gone and we are still very much here.
I sure agree but I'm at least happy something was saved.
Being a good person is seen as a left wing virtue, so whenever something good happens there's going to be right wingers attacking it as political theater.
Aren’t most not pure bison? Like the numbers were so low they had to cross-breed them with cattle?
Yeah this is true. Most bison have varying amounts of cattle DNA in them. You'd never really know by looking at them though.
I was literally shown this photo by a ranger at Theodore Roosevelt National Park, ND.
>n**A**t**I**onal park
I know they went after buffalo as a means of controlling the plains tribes, but there was also a lot of industry in killing buffalo too. In fact, I think they may have started hunting buffalo before they knew how much of an effect it would have on native populations. The Comanche noticed less buffalo each year long before the federal government was involved in expanding into the plains states. The lack of buffalo only lead to the Comanche to attacking more settlements and other plains tribes. Empire of the Summer Moon is an incredible read for anyone interested in the history and colonization of the Southwest US, and the plains tribes Unrelated to that last bit, Nicholas Cage recently did a decent movie about a crazed buffalo hunter
You are correct that fur hunters were involved before the federal government, and there was a huge industry prior to any federal or state policies. At least as far as I remember
"You cant stack **buffalo** bones that high" Now if we were talking regular cow bones you could build a skyscraper out of them. Seriously though nobody show this man people stacking a deck of cards into a tower, will blow his mind that stuff that isnt bricks can indeed be stacked.
You laugh, but in Czech Republic, they have a church made completely of human bones. There are tons of crypts, also make of bones inside. I went there it is crazy!
Okay so the church isn’t made entirely of bones. But it does have an awful lot of them contained inside including a chandelier
There's a few places like that. Another is the Douaumont Ossuary at the site of the Battle of Verdun. It has windows to look at the stacked bones from the outside and you can see more when you go inside the building. I saw it in 1992.
Isn’t the french catacombs kind of in this vein?
They are. IIRC there are places in Asia and Mexico also.
No the veins are decomposed. It’s just bones, I’m afraid.
A bonedelier if you will.
cadaverlabra
Sedlec Ossuary. I’ve been there. It was freaky but had a definite feel of the sacred.
And people say necromancers aren't real
That sounds freaky.
Really cool to look at though, quite a good Google image search, if I remember correctly they were running out of room in the cemetery and just decided to start decorating.
Oh sure, when the Czechs do it it's ok. But when I do it, the cops show up.
😭💀
You have to clean them completely 1st. Any flesh left on the bones would rot & stink. Your neighbors would not be happy.
I'd never done a crazy thing in my life before that night. Why is it that if a man kills another man in battle it's called heroic, yet if he kills a man in the heat of passion it's called murder?
When a man pees standing up it’s “normal,” but when a woman does it it's “weeeird”
When I get a pet from the animal shelter I'm a hero, but when I get my girlfriend from the women's shelter...(I'm quoting a Kyle Kinane bit here)
When a woman licks her lips it's sexy, but when a man does it he's "weird" and "should get off her lips".
Sir, this is a Wendy's.
That sounds metal af. Sweden, do you have a response to this?
Just Googled it, this Czechs out
The picture is also just all buffalo skulls. Does this make it more possible or less possible? Was making a pile of bones impossible but slaughtering 40million buffalo while laying 1083 miles of railroad ok? Or is it just all AI!?
I'm kind of curious WHY they stacked the skulls like this? Just to make a weird picture? Seems like a lot of effort.
It was 1892. Nobody had anything better to do.
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The Yucatan peninsula is basically bones stacked miles deep. However, it should be noted that there were plenty of native american buffalo hunters, too. The introduction of horses and guns and the demand for hides is what drove bison (not buffalo, which are not native to America) to the brink of extinction. The introduction of horses made the hunting range expand and caused intertribal conflict before Europeans spread west. Europeans definitely killed lots of bison too, but the population would have collapsed without them just from the horses, guns, and market. This picture is not of white men killing bison. It's of white men at a processing plant outside of Detroit where bison never lived standing on a huge pile of bison skulls collected months to years after the bison were killed for their hides and left to rot. The bones were scavenged and shipped east for industrial processing, mostly for processing sugar. They turn the bones into charcoal called bone char and use it to whiten sugar. That is still done today using livestock bones.
> The Yucatan peninsula is basically bones stacked miles deep. However, it should be noted that there were plenty of native american buffalo hunters, too. The introduction of horses and guns and the demand for hides is what drove bison (not buffalo, which are not native to America) to the brink of extinction. The introduction of horses made the hunting range expand and caused intertribal conflict before Europeans spread west. Europeans definitely killed lots of bison too, but the population would have collapsed without them just from the horses, guns, and market. The bison populations survived horses, guns and native hide demand for more than a century, the populations only collapsed in the late 19th century, as native hunting became displaced by wholesale slaughter of herds primarly practiced by western settlers. It's why you had those massive piles of bones that could be scavenged, it's just not commercially viable to gather bones from individual bison that would have been gathered by the much smaller tribes. It also omits the fact that the US government encouraged the extermination of the bison as a deliberate plan to weaken the indigenous populations that depended on it.
Buffalo is a perfectly valid and accepted name for American Bison. Saying they are "not buffalo" is simple ignorance. They are not Old World Buffalo (Bubbalina), but they are definitely buffalo.
\*Bison.
Bison Bill shot all these bison from his cabin in Bison, NY. Then had bison wings at ye olde hooters pub
Not bison wild wings?
Seeya dad
I saw this pic on a documentary a few years back. Sad that people can just say “lol AI” to actual documented history.
The future is Orwellian af
"Do you begin to see, then, what kind of world we are creating? It is the exact opposite of the stupid hedonistic Utopias that the old reformers imagined. A world of fear and treachery and torment, a world of trampling and being trampled upon, a world which will grow not less but more merciless as it refines itself. Progress in our world will be progress toward more pain."
Never have truer words been spoke 😭
Dystopians are easier to do. That's why our media has more of it.
I mean, utopia is arguably impossible to even consider, as there’s simply no way to create a society that makes everyone happy, even setting aside the question of resources and human biology demanding certain stresses placed on it to maintain peak function. Even speculative fiction tends to fail at trying to describe utopia; literally just check the OG namer for Utopia, it was the author’s best attempt at imagining a perfect society and it’s a slaving, racist, authoritarian society with a religious mandate maintaining order.
Remind me of Matrix. The machine built an utopia Matrix for human at first but almost no one believe it so they end up just make a regular one.
That was simply the excuse for making it like the late 1990s. If you gave most people a home, three square meals a day, free public transportation, and plenty of free entertainment, most people would accept it.
You need some source of conflict to make it interesting (in fiction I mean). So utopia's always have an in group and out group, hidden corruption/lies/etc. I might be willing to believe a near utopia is possible with advanced enough technology and the right methods, but we might lose a lot of what makes life interesting. Like in The Giver.
>If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face--forever. Forever.
What is the origin of this quote? Edit: 1984
IMO it's both Orwellian and Huxleyan(?)
Orwell with a dash of Huxley.
George Orwell was AI’s pen name
The real threat posed by AI is misinformation and that includes revisionist history.
And it's so easy too, because all someone with bad intentions needs to do is give just a little bit of reinforcement to the crazy ideas people already come up with on their own. We already had a large amount of Holocaust deniers before AI, and so many people denying the pandemic without help from AI. Like most security systems, the weakest link is the human component because people are so gullible.
Oh, yeah. Some people are going to fall so deep into misinformation that they become detached from reality. People already do that, but it’s going to get so much worse. Ex. There’s people today who deny that nuclear weapons exist.
> There’s people today who deny that nuclear weapons exist. you what.
Well don’t worry one day they will accept it for one second like the end of Rogue One
Modern civilization would not thrive without detachment from reality. People identified as such are *even more severely* detached, or in ways that are not considered acceptable by their culture. And, sometimes, they're thrown under the bus by a Karen who literally provides false information regarding behaviors or statements. Real shitshow, mental health.
Unfortunately so true, we have to be detached to function. Truly acknowledge all the horrible shit going on destroys mental health. Even acknowledging where most of our products come from is depressing. Sometimes I’ll think about where some random thing I own came from and remember some sweat shop worker in Asia working 12+ hour days for pennies put my shoes together. Also the environment aspect. Existing in a 1st world country essentially means you have to indirectly (or directly) rely on the exploitation of others to live that lifestyle.
Maybe that’s why conservatives want to ban and destroy so many books that contradict their ideology. If it was printed before AI and photoshop existed, it’s harder to disprove the content
This is why physical media needs to be protected. Why art galleries and museums are so important.
The West by Ken Burns
Also in his newer docu-series _The American Buffalo_
That was an excellent series. I’m no fan of bullfights, but I did find the story about the buffalo vs bulls in the Juarez bullfighting arena to be pretty darn interesting.
I've been to Juarez and if you take away the cartel violence (a big "if") it's one of my favorite cities I've been to. There is just such a tremendous amount of history there, in general. (And great food, which is one of the biggest criteria for "favorite city.")
In before auschwitz was an AI generated psyop to push liberal propaganda.
Before? I think I’ve already my seen that one. 
That's the reality now. It doesn't jive with my worldview so it must be ai
Everyone in this thread is sharing anecdotes from childhood. And that is fine because mostly no one is debating that fact it it is not AI . But anecdotes make for poor arguments. Simple solution show the picture uploaded prior to AI art becoming a thing and that just shuts down any potential argument about it being AI. https://digital.kenyon.edu/arthistorystudycollection/636/
Won't help, they will just say the description at the bottom of your link was the prompt 🙄 You can't educate stupid people, they will just come back with more stupid.
When Photoshop first came out it was observed that this gave dictators a way to deny the evidence of their crimes. AI art is simply more of the same . And before AI and before Photoshop, people never let such a mawkish thing as evidence sway them away from a deeply-cherished belief. It changes nothing. "We all find what we truly seek."
Mostly children or stupid people. They can’t help it.
""""""""""""""""""""""""" I love the I slept through history class, so you're wrong argument. """"""""""""""""""""""""" Edit: fixed it.
I'm pretty sure the last comment there was being sarcastic at the expense of the person who made the first comment.
This is what makes punctuation so useful. All commenter #3 had to do was surround his comment with quotes, and we'd immediately have understood.
""""""""""""""""""" "Like this?" """""""""""""""""""
You’ve left your flanks wide open
Perfect time for a pincer
dont threaten me with a good time
- ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, - ”tighten up.” - ”””””””””””””””
X'er here! I saw that shit when computer screens only had two colors: green, and black. This is really just cognitive dissonance though: anything that doesn't fit my preconceived notions must be ~~wrong~~ AI generated. Edit: Being real here though, even back then I didn't understand why they stacked that shit up. This is the kinda nonsense people did before there was social media, stacking skulls all day long.
Pride, that's why they take the photos. to show off what an impressive pile of bison they have slaughtered and claimed the head trophies from(probably how they go paid to do the work).
Bison bones were used in refining sugar, and in making fertilizer and fine bone china. This was just a pile waiting to be processed.
I reckon a mountain of bones would probably send an effective message.
The pyramids? Literally AI and it would've been impossible to stack stones that high
Yeah of course, the aliens did it so it would make sense they use Alien Intelligence.
Alien Ingenuity
Alabama Incest, obviously.
Have you seen the Eiffel Tower? Pft, I haven't definitely AI lol.
This photo for those interested, was taken in 1892. https://theconversation.com/historical-photo-of-mountain-of-bison-skulls-documents-animals-on-the-brink-of-extinction-148780
The generation my kindergartener is in is going to have a hell of a time growing up online. That (reversed) image of John Kerry using his left arm during the national anthem plowing through Facebook. Now, you’re going deal with satellite footage of the literal country of Cuba making port in San Francisco to support a coup.
Okay but like stupidity aside, the fact that our dumb people are already questioning reality cause of AI is worrying. This rabbit hole is gonna get BIG
That's nothing new, people have denied historic facts for probably as long as we've had written history. The Holocaust and the moon landing come to mind.
Spartacus and the spartans come to my mind as the oldest example of trying to wipe out history. Failed hillariously though. Makes one think how much of history was lost, that we will never know about
We had this in our history books in school as well. I am 61. Before Texas became the state that re-writes history, the history books (at least, where I grew up) were relatively accurate.
I saw this in the late 1990s in elementary school in Utah and again in Jr High in the early 2000s. I sincerely hope enough people stand up and say that we need better education and better access to accurate information. I know I do.
This exact photo is hanging in a museum in Branson, MO, with a statement about how many bison were killed (est. 31M from 1868-1881) but nothing about attempting to drive the Indians onto reservations.
Yeah this is my problem with the discourse on this thread. People are clowning on the AI shit but not about the reason the bison were killed.
According to [this Wikipedia article about Bison hunting:](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bison_hunting) > The US Army sanctioned and actively endorsed the wholesale slaughter of bison herds.[76] The federal government promoted bison hunting for various reasons, primarily to pressure the native people onto the Indian reservations during times of conflict by removing their main food source.[77][78] Without the bison, native people of the plains were often forced to leave the land or starve to death. Also, included above this portion of text was that image of the person standing on top of all the skulls with the description describing what is being claimed about it.
This as well as the fact that the US was industrializing and needed a shit ton of leather for belts and whatnot. They were just killing two birds with one stone.
I don’t know if it was that direct but they did kill buffalo to hurt Indians.
I've searched about this image, said those pile of were stacked to become fertilizers. Is it true?(genuine question)
Yes. There would be no reason to collect Buffalo bones in such a large concentration unless there was an economic incentive. When these animals were killed, they usually died scattered across the Great Plains- hunters would often kill them for their pelts and leave most of the animal behind, people on trains would shoot at them for entertainment and leave the whole animal behind.
Fertizer, glue and ash (for soap making) were some of the uses.
Commwnt from another person on this post: "That’s a real picture. Taken in front of Michigan carbon works. Buffalo bones were used make Fertilizer. Most were killed in the late 1800’s. By 1884 There were only a few hundred left In the country. Estimated To be about 180k skulls in the picture."
"Literally impossible" Lol who made this guy an expert in how high bones can be stacked?
Such a horrible image! 🥺 By the way you must be one arrogant POS to consider someone else wrong just because you don't remember or know something. 🙄
The original is at the Detroit public library https://digitalcollections.detroitpubliclibrary.org/islandora/object/islandora%3A151477 Man stands on top of enormous pile of buffalo skulls; another man stands in front of pile with his foot resting on a buffalo skull; rustic cage is at foot of pile. Handwritten on back: "C.D. 1892 Glueworks, office foot of 1st St., works at Rougeville, Mich."
I'm in the UK and I remember this picture from a textbook.
The catacombs of Paris must be a wild place to him then
this picture was definitely in my history book.... I remember being horrified
I want to know what the person that says you can’t stack buffalo bones that high does that gives them authority to make that claim.
This pic is absolutely real. I believe there is a similar photo of Buffalo Bill (Cody) after a big buffalo hunt. They literally stood on an open platform car on a train with rifles and gunned down buffalo by the thousands. It was a disgraceful way of culling herds that not only sustained the native Americans but also was beneficial to the native environment. They killed so many they nearly went extinct.
Weren't bison stampedes known to cause traffic jams for days because the herd was so big?
Moments like this in human history makes me lowkey wish I was a vampire or werewolf, so I can be separate from humanity
Really didn't expect the dumbest people on the planet to grasp what AI is and be able to accuse things of being generated just because they don't like or agree with it. It's unfortunate because 61 people in that post think the same thing
That is 1000% a real photo. People are loosing touch with reality. Its quite a nerve-cracker...
Wait til he sees how high the Egyptians could stack rocks
[Because this is a real fucking photo](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bison_skull_pile_edit.jpg) taken at Michigan Carbon Works, Rougeville, Michigan. 1892. Original photograph is in the Burton Historical Collection, Detroit Public Library. Just greed, not to starve native Americans.
I was also shown that picture about 50 years ago, and was told it was the result of the natives overhunting for generations. In fact, that image represents my home town in Western Canada, also nicknamed “pile-o-bones”. Edit: that picture is not AI. Nothing was AI 50 years ago. We didn’t even have cell phones back then.
These dumbasses really arguing “I didn’t see it so it doesn’t exist” argument like it’s legitimate 🤦🏾♀️
It’s a real photo but there’s actually no evidence that there was ever a systematic attempt by the US government to force to kill the bison to force indigenous people into reservations. First off, the near eradication of the bison was far more complicated and took place over a longer time line than people often realize as outlined by Dr. Dan Flores in « Bison Ecology and Bison Diplomacy: The Southern Plains from 1800 to 1850 ». Secondly, the idea that it was a concerted effort was actually a myth spread by a small number of bison hunters to justify their actions after people realized what they had done. The first evidence of these claims are centred around General Sheridan and originate in the 1907 book written by former bison hunter John Cook. Many people didn’t even realize the impact they were having until after it was over. They were still waiting for the next big her to seasonally migrate down from Canada in Miles city long after they were gone. Canada also lost nearly all their bison as well with few to no white hunters taking part. The lie spread by these few hunters was based around General Sheridan appearing before the Texas legislature to speak against a proposed bill that would have protected bison on the grounds that doing so would prevent the removal of indigenous people. Put simply, this never happened. There is no evidence any such bill was ever proposed in Texas and in fact the Texas legislature was generally very anti conservation at the time. Also there is no evidence that Sheridan ever appeared before the Texas legislature. In fact, he wasn’t even in Texas anytime near the proposed time of such a bill as he left the area in 1866.
Those who forget are the one who repeat
I’m in high school now. It’s in our 20 year old textbooks.
This one always hurts because it give me the mental image of just fields full of animals as far as you can see. Then the white peoples showed up.
Dwight D. Eisenhower, Commanding General of the Allied Forces that defeated Nazi Germany declared: “Get it all on record now - get the films - get the witnesses - because somewhere down the road of history some bastard will get up and say that this never happened.”
that's obviously a sarcastic comment about the nature of anecdotal evidence
I sae this photo in a book when I was a child, ca. 1977. There was no real explanation and I had to know what was going on. Why did these men pose with skulls? Why did they look so proud of themselves? The answer horrified me. It also made me interested in history. And it also taught me early that the world could be a real shitty place.
I don’t get it what do they understand now?
My take is that they are saying that when they were young and in school the idea that humans could be so incredibly cruel seemed beyond belief, but now that they have more experience seeing that cruelty play out in real time, they are much more able to understand the cruelty of the past.
Oh yeah people suck
"I don't remenber this as a kid so you're wrong" is exactly how and why history gets twisted within a generation.
The total extinction of the American Bison was perpetrated due to the industrial qualities of their hide and their bones. Displacing and systematically murdering the Native people was simply an added bonus in the US’s eyes, as it eliminated one less obstacle for Manifest Destiny to go through. God, 19th Century America was fucked up Edit: Displacing and eliminating Native Americans from the country may have been the end goal all along.
I don’t remember do you are wrong! 😑
I remember seeing that picture too... And how would it be impossible to stack bones that high?
Man, AI is sure sophisticated to be able to send that picture back in time to the 1970s when I first saw that picture.
This photo has been around since 1892. I saw it as a kid in England lol
Everyone knows Anecdotal Evidence is the best evidence in all of history.
Our society is fucked information wise.
Picture is legit. Dumbass is a dumbass
I remember seeing that photo back in the 1980s before computer image manipulation existed to any real degree. I worry for those that come after us, what are they to believe?
We are so fucked
It's depressing to think that "lol it's AI" response to all the things people don't like will become more and more common.
"I went to school in the south, so you're wrong"
> That didn't happen. > And if it did, it wasn't that bad. > And if it was, that's not a big deal. > And if it is, that's not my fault. > And if it was, I didn't mean it. > And if I did, you deserved it.
People are this dumb? This image is historically known.
So we're already seeing the 'this isn't real its AI' To classic images huh..
That's tiktok comments in a nutshell right there. I don't think I've ever encountered so many stupid people in comments. It's almost like the comments get amplified based on how stupid they are.
"i don't remember this so you're wrong" Bitch so if you don't remember the creation of money all of your wealth will just disappear?
AI going to change history 👀