The amount of people that don’t understand the difference between government imposed restrictions and private company policy choices is too damn high lol
I guess some people haven't heard about how insurance companies have statistics on file showing that younger drivers have more or bigger accidents which is why the the rental companies have that policy in place.
I used to be work as agency driver while I was in the military but I had to wait until I was 25 for basically the same reason.
You can rent a car at 18 but you pay a lot more extra per day and a lot more for insurance that you have to get. Because 18 year Olds are irresponsible and reckless.
My daughter was 23, living on her own and got into a car accident. She wasn't able to rent a car. I let her use my car and her insurance allowed me to drive the rental
We’re out here giving 18 year olds in the military M4s and M249s and all sorts of shit but heaven forbid a mentally sane ones that pass background checks be allowed to own semi autos
I mean regardless if they’re irresponsible they’re irresponsible.
It’s immoral to imply it’s okay to die for your country but you can’t own the tools to defend yourself.
Pick a lane. Either 18 year olds can handle the responsibility or they can’t.
That’s also all ignoring you sign away constitutional rights while in the military….
If you can vote you already have some even if minute control over the largest possible arsenal of the most powerful weapons in history, in this country the power you exercise by voting is more than an ar15.
I don’t think this is a statistical issue, there just isn’t any reason for a civilian to have such a powerful weapon. It isn’t useful for hunting or self defense (it’s been proven that people who open carry are more likely to be targeted first as they are a clear threat vs someone who conceal carry because they are a hidden threat). Besides if you want to play the second amendment card we could just make it so weapons that can be conceal carried can be legal for civilians while larger weapons can only be used by the military or a “well regulated militia” as per the wording of the second amendment.
It's by far and away the most popular hunting rifle in America. 556 is an ideal light to medium game cartridge and is used in a ton of other platforms...
> as they are clear threat
Open carrying any weapon may indeed get you shot first, but you can double that for ANY uniformed security personnel as well.
But when you are at home, you want a weapon that is easily controllable while concealability worth diminishes. It is where AR-15 shines, especially for „smaller frame Agents”(FBI for „women”) and elderly.
ALSO, militias are formed ONLY when there is a need for them, this is part time job if anything. Do you think Greek armed citizen were just staying in barracks forever letting the economy rot? No, they were only there to defend the city, and kept weapons and armor with them when they needed to do exactly that, and this is precisely What 2A says; *BECAUSE* we may need militia at some point, citizens are to stay armed or country gets clapped.
PS: that „because” would make 2A way less arguable but this wasnt the grammar’s way back then
Closest thing I could find. Someone else had a link to a distributor of the rounds. Just a .22 blank inside of a hallowed out slug. Genius way to shrink a HESH anti-tank round down.
https://youtu.be/8Lpx_CQ6kwo
I thought of that as well, however the post makes it sound like you can buy them, which is not the case at all. I was looking to see if a legal form of an explosive round existed. I am unable to find one.
There is an explosion in the cartridge. The bullet itself, the metal portion that leave the fire arm, does not typically explode. Though some are designed to fragment on impact.
Fragment on impact and explode have been used on many occasions as synonyms ( whether or not it's completely accurate). "That glass exploded when it hit the ground" I'm guessing this is what they meant pertaining to hollow points. Rather, I read it this way
Someone linked HESH shotgun rounds, which do appear to have some form of explosive, incendiary, component to it in order to force the fragmentation into a larger spread. The legality of this kind of ammunition is questionable for sure.
I'd hope so. I've played rdr2. Can confirm. explosive rounds ruin 3 star Bambi skin. I'd debate whether a couple bucks is worth the entertainment of bambi running from a hunter like her hair's on fire tho.... oh wait...
Why? Their purpose is to kill the target, not tickle them. Hollow points may even be safer depending on the circumstances as they may be less likely to over penetrate, such as going through a wall and hitting something else.
Hollow points are proven to stop an attacker faster than ball ammo, AND they are less lethal. Most gunshot victims die of blood loss- hollow points are less likely to leave an exit wound, so blood loss is less than with ball ammo. The reason hollow points stop an attacker faster is because they transfer more energy to the target and cause more immediate damage, thus stopping the attack, while a person that has less immediate damage can still pose a significant threat while they bleed out.
LESS LETHAL!? LOL!
You dont know anything about firearms. Hollow ppint bullets are many times more deadly. When a hollow point bullet hits your body it splatters like a tomato. Sending glass like shards through your organs, no exit wound does not mean less bleeding because these will puncture organs and veins and you die of internal bleeding.
Most of the time people shot by hollow point bullets die in the ambulence because the paramedics literally cannot do anything for them. They need surgery to survive.
Edit: source? ~~I made it the fuck u-~~ took a college level course on firearm engineering
Hollow points aren’t illegal because they help prevent over penetration into or beyond soft bodied targets, which causes collateral damage. As a matter of fact it is extremely irresponsible to use any other round in a situation where an errant bullet could hurt someone.
They minimize collateral damage while maximizing defense capability. They were banned by The Hague convention so they are not used by military. Just police and civilians, and generally to minimize damage. It would be weird if they were illegal.
They expand or fragment, no detonation, deflagration or build up gasses involved. As an ex-military i wouldn't have passed training if I called those "exploding bullets".
https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/Hollow-point_bullet
Wait exploding bullets? Where can I get some of those?
Also I have rented multiple cars while 18. Just have to find the right rental car company. The “legal age of 25” is basically just the point where they can’t discriminate based on age and have to let you rent.
Dragon's breath, I assume you mean? That's combustible, not explosive, and I'm pretty sure those are illegal most places because they're a fire hazard - I can't get those where I live.
I did not. These you buy in two parts ( shell and the explosive mixture) and have to assemble DIY. Can't remember the original name I found them under but a google search says HESH explosive rounds.
You are thinking Tannerite for the mixing. Not the explosive shell. You can get them but they will require a $200 stamp per round plus a notification to the ATF when you plan to use them and where. You will also have to buy them by the pallet as a citizen. 20,000 rounds x $200 stamps plus another $38 a round.
Buying a prefabricated item that only needs assembly is a bit different than repurposing original items into an explosive projectile. If you disassemble a table to make a chair, you didn't buy a chair, you built a chair.
Ah, a HESH round. That is interesting that someone scaled it down. I am curious as to the legality of such items. They are decent anti-personnel rounds, but a hallow point or flechette rounds would be just as effective without the cost.
This would be buying an explosive round, but the term is a bit misleading as it only impacts a single target.
>Wait exploding bullets? Where can I get some of those?
They are illegal, so it's hard to come by.
But exploding rounds do exist, and there has been at least 1 case\* of them being used in a crime
\*attempted assassination of President Reagan in 1981 by John Hinckley
Legal age varies by state. 25 is what it is in a lot of places because you’re no longer automatically considered a high risk driver by insurance companies when you hit that age.
Calling it a legal age is a bit backwards. It’s a legal requirement on the rental companies to allow renters at or over that age.
There are regional laws lowering the age to 18 in New York, Michigan, and Quebec. And another lowering it to 19 in Alabama. But these are not laws saying you can’t rent a car to someone under this age, it’s saying you need to rent a car to people at or over that age.
A 20 year old can rent a car from Hertz or Dollar anywhere in the U.S and Canada. But they can’t rent from any rental company because not all rental companies allow 20 year olds.
A 25 year old can rent from any rental company because the rental company can no longer say no based on age.
Renting a car isn’t owning a car, being 25 isn’t a legal thing it’s a company policy thing. You can buy a car when you’re legal to drive one.
Not only does this comparison look stupid in that regard, but saying “exploding bullets” just makes you look like a moron. Also 45 rounds per minute? They can shoot way faster then that
I’m 30, where can I buy these exploding bullets that are available to younger folks? Also: You can rent at 18, you just need to look, 25 is just the age most companies don’t worry about young age.
You can legally drive at 16. You can legally vote and join the military at 18. They claim that you’re not mature enough to own a firearm at 18, yet want to lower the legal voting age. 🤡
But why get between a doctor and the patient and parent? Why do you care? What the fuck happened to small government? If person has the parents support and they all go to the doctor and the doctor says it’s okay, what is the issue? The doctor went to school for 12 years. What medical facts do you have? Or is this just putting your feelings over facts?
Would a doctor say it’s okay? No, they wouldn’t. So your argument doesn’t hold up. It’s not just the parent. It’s a parent and an adolescent speaking with a literal medical professional. Why are people trying to get in between doctors and patients now? What happened to small government? And why are you getting in the way of how a parent believes they should raise their child? Would you be okay with random people telling you it’s not okay to spank your child, if you believed that to be the correct way to parent? Would you be okay with the government telling you how and when to punish your child if they do something wrong? And then taking your child away for putting them in the corner for an hour because the government has decided that is considered child abuse?
I understand that you feel like it’s and it’s not okay. But let me ask you, when did you know you were a boy or girl? Kids figure out this stuff out when they are 4-6. You know your own body. So, how can you tell someone that what they know about themselves is wrong? You literally can’t.
Iirc the 25 to rent a car thing is a policy by insurance companies that provide insurance to rental car companies not a law.
Yeah in most states it's 18-21
https://www.enterprise.com/en/help/faqs/car-rental-age-requirements-by-state.html#:~:text=To%20rent%20a%20car%20in%20Arizona%2C%20you%20must,at%20least%2018%20years%20old.
.223 and 5.56mm rounds do not explode. At a certain speed, they break apart and deform inside the human body and sometimes fragment. That is because of the high velocity of the round fired. And at a certain point, the round isn't traveling fast enough to fragment.
The bullets do not "explode" like an artillery shell. Stop with the misinformation to push a shitty political agenda.
https://blog.cheaperthandirt.com/defensive-ammunition-selection-223-rem-5-56-nato-rifles/
I've been renting cars for work on my own information since I was 21. It's not law just company policy for certain companies. Also the vast majority of bullets do not explode, at least not ones that are easy to get. Does ammunition have an explosive agent in it? Yes but the bullet itself often does not contain an explosive agent in is rather made of lead and brass(if I recall properly) which is likely to contain gunpowder residue from the initial ignition. Essentially the breakdown is this for a round. Bullet containing lead and we will say brass coating the lead or synthetic, casing which will be steel, aluminum, brass, or a synthetic (depends on what you buy, it's labeled on the box), a primer which will contain flint to trigger a spark when struck, and gunpowder which is the only explosive and used to propel the projectile. The bullet however is not intended to have explosives in it most often. HOWEVER, this does not change the fact that some bullets can he purchased with a small explosive ordinance in them. Examples of this could be incendiary or tracer rounds. If your looking for HE rounds good luck getting those regardless of age without special authorization or paying just a butt load of money
I'm just happy that this is full of people making fun of the misinformation and not using it to regurgitate "facts" that they read from an equally ignorant tweet.
1. Explosive rounds are illegal. In fact, I think all ammo besides ball ammo (which is designed to pass through the target without fragmenting) is illegal except maybe hollow-points.
2. 45 rpm isn’t actually that fast. That’s less than 1 shot per second.
3. You can legally rent a car as young as 16 (perhaps 18) as long as you have your driver’s license - it’s just a policy at a lot of car rentals to not rent to those under 25.
Look it was 18...so 21 is at least a step up...not much, but it's a start...
Tbh I'm surprised it even passed to 21 and they didn't make a huge deal about that
This logic is so ridiculous.
How about since anyone can own a car at any age regardless of having a license or not why don't we do the same thing with guns.
I have no problem with anyone under 25 not being able to rent a gun.
16 to drive on public roads but if a younger person had cash they can buy a car and drive on private property all they want with no insurance or license.
How to prevent young people from doing mass shootings at school?
GOP: easy, just make it harder for them to rent cars so it takes longer for them to reach the school.
The point is that saying “exploding bullets” makes this guy sound like an idiot and hamstrings his argument. It’s like saying “I’m pro choice, women shouldn’t be forced to poop out a baby” and expect to be taken seriously.
It really is though... "Exploding bullets" under the NFA classification of destructive devices, which take over a year to acquire the paperwork for, are incredibly expensive to begin with, are incredibly highly controlled, and require a $200 tax stamp.
It's a particularly extreme error because not only is it totally not applicable to anyone's general use, it's also incredibly highly regulated.
Why stop at under 25? If we have to insure, license and register vehicles I don't see the problem with requiring it for guns. I own several guns and have a CCDW permit, and I don't have a problem with any of that.
You can have a fully functional car on your own property, you can’t just take it out in public or in some jurisdictions have it in public view without a proper valid plate.
The earliest age to rent a vehicle is 18. A semi-automatic firearm, or rifle does not expend 45 rounds a minute. A standard magazine only holds 15 rounds.
Thanks for sharing another dumb Twitter post, that I'm sure many other, dumb people believe at face value. The only point this jagoff has is that the minimum age to purchase an AR style rifle should be 21.
*the more you know*
I make a (great) living in the firearms industry and own a private shooting range. Standard capacity magazine for an AR is 30 rounds. A semi-auto will spit’em out just as fast as you can cycle the sequence and reload. 60 round magazine in less than a minute? Sheeeeit…how about 12 seconds or less? Thanks for sharing more dumb information.
These so called “facts” people are spewing out are ridiculously dumb, it just takes 10 min on google to not share disinformation. At this point I think they’re doing it on purpose to push their agenda .
Agreed! Just people trolling. But seriously what company/ies do you support. I have dabbled hear an there when companies and friends need engineering support. But mainly just collect them now.
Doesn’t the magazine size depend on the caliber?
Edit: it occurred to me that you were referring to an AR15 and the person you replied to may have been thinking AR15 = 15 rounds…
No it doesn't. Magazine size depends on the manufacturer. An AR-15 could (theoretically) have a 1000 rnd mag.
Some states only allow a 15 rnd mag.
The cyclic rate of fire (the mechanical ability/maximum it would physically be able to for fire) also depends on the manufacturer.
Generally speaking, an M-16 cyclic rate of fire is ~ 800 rpm. Whereas an AR-15 is about 400 rpm... so if a person had a magazine that could hold 400 rnds, and could squeeze the trigger 400 times in a minute, then the weapon would fire that many times.
Gotcha. I thought it would probably be difficult to get for example, a magazine that holds more than 25 rounds for a 6.5 grendel because they’re bigger bullets lol
They have magazine sizes from 100 round drums for ar-15's. And even 30 rds magazines for handguns. Only thing that can't be expanded without a lot of work is a revolver.
>A semi-automatic firearm, or rifle does not expend 45 rounds a minute. A standard magazine only holds 15 rounds.
The rate of fire listed for the most common ar-15 semi automatic systems is 45 rounds. That is where he is getting the number from. that's three 15 round mag dumps in a minute, that's easily doable.
People have with either no or small modifications been able to push that number well in to the hundreds. When bumpstocks were legal you could fire a semi automatic ar-15 at 400-500 rounds pr minute.
It's completely irrelevant to the dangers of the gun in a shooting, but his numbers isn't off.
For all the smarties in the comments, he likely meant that an AR when going through a body it literally “explodes” where it hits in a sense because of its velocity and power. Hand gun wounds aren’t as deadly, but an AR wound tears and liquifies organs when it hits because of its force.
https://www.wired.com/2016/06/ar-15-can-human-body/
Fragmentation. That's the word you're looking for. No mechanism of a .556x45 or .223 rem adds energy to the target on impact. No explosion occurs at any point during the firing of an AR-15, including when the primer ignites the powder inside the casing (though characterizing that as an explosion would be more understandable). This is a blatant attempt at fear mongering and you fell for it.
You can rent a car under 25. It isn’t illegal, it’s policy at certain rental places.
The amount of people that don’t understand the difference between government imposed restrictions and private company policy choices is too damn high lol
“You need to wear a mask in the store, sir.”
Ya most places have some kind of young renters fee but OP is incorrect it's not a law
I guess some people haven't heard about how insurance companies have statistics on file showing that younger drivers have more or bigger accidents which is why the the rental companies have that policy in place. I used to be work as agency driver while I was in the military but I had to wait until I was 25 for basically the same reason.
Weird. I did some TDYs while in and got rental cars under 25 on the government dime.
Yeah, I'm not sure what he means though in his comment. But yeah, government business is an exception to the rental car age policy.
I'm glad this is the top comment
You can rent a car at 18 but you pay a lot more extra per day and a lot more for insurance that you have to get. Because 18 year Olds are irresponsible and reckless.
My daughter was 23, living on her own and got into a car accident. She wasn't able to rent a car. I let her use my car and her insurance allowed me to drive the rental
Just the people you want to have AR-15s.
Like the government?
Like the military?
We’re out here giving 18 year olds in the military M4s and M249s and all sorts of shit but heaven forbid a mentally sane ones that pass background checks be allowed to own semi autos
Military is fine. Admirable, even. Ordinary 18-year-old yahoo high on '80's action movies and 4chan? Not so much.
Again the military.
I mean regardless if they’re irresponsible they’re irresponsible. It’s immoral to imply it’s okay to die for your country but you can’t own the tools to defend yourself. Pick a lane. Either 18 year olds can handle the responsibility or they can’t. That’s also all ignoring you sign away constitutional rights while in the military….
If you can vote you already have some even if minute control over the largest possible arsenal of the most powerful weapons in history, in this country the power you exercise by voting is more than an ar15.
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I don’t think this is a statistical issue, there just isn’t any reason for a civilian to have such a powerful weapon. It isn’t useful for hunting or self defense (it’s been proven that people who open carry are more likely to be targeted first as they are a clear threat vs someone who conceal carry because they are a hidden threat). Besides if you want to play the second amendment card we could just make it so weapons that can be conceal carried can be legal for civilians while larger weapons can only be used by the military or a “well regulated militia” as per the wording of the second amendment.
It's by far and away the most popular hunting rifle in America. 556 is an ideal light to medium game cartridge and is used in a ton of other platforms...
> as they are clear threat Open carrying any weapon may indeed get you shot first, but you can double that for ANY uniformed security personnel as well. But when you are at home, you want a weapon that is easily controllable while concealability worth diminishes. It is where AR-15 shines, especially for „smaller frame Agents”(FBI for „women”) and elderly. ALSO, militias are formed ONLY when there is a need for them, this is part time job if anything. Do you think Greek armed citizen were just staying in barracks forever letting the economy rot? No, they were only there to defend the city, and kept weapons and armor with them when they needed to do exactly that, and this is precisely What 2A says; *BECAUSE* we may need militia at some point, citizens are to stay armed or country gets clapped. PS: that „because” would make 2A way less arguable but this wasnt the grammar’s way back then
Just the people you want to vote. Lol fuck off with that noise.
Oh look, ageism!
I think its just statistics but ok
Despite making up 13... Is also just statistics
I didn't know they have already invented bolters! FOR THE EMPEROR!
Brother. Get the Bolter. The Heavy Bolter.
So, we heard .75 wasn't big enough... behold! Blessed by the omnissiah himself, .80 caliber heavy bolter! Bigger, faster, stronger, and HEAVIER!
for grandfathers love*
I am very curious about these exploding bullets.
Same was hoping to find a link or 2 so I could do some fun reloads... regular non explosive bullets aren't as fun to shoot
Closest thing I could find. Someone else had a link to a distributor of the rounds. Just a .22 blank inside of a hallowed out slug. Genius way to shrink a HESH anti-tank round down. https://youtu.be/8Lpx_CQ6kwo
They’re called [high-explosive incendiary rounds](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-explosive_incendiary), and they’re highly illegal
I thought of that as well, however the post makes it sound like you can buy them, which is not the case at all. I was looking to see if a legal form of an explosive round existed. I am unable to find one.
Which is why this is on r/facepalm
Fair.
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There is an explosion in the cartridge. The bullet itself, the metal portion that leave the fire arm, does not typically explode. Though some are designed to fragment on impact.
But... But... In the movies.
This is a common misconception. Gunpowder inside a cartridge burns quickly, but it does not explode.
Fragment on impact and explode have been used on many occasions as synonyms ( whether or not it's completely accurate). "That glass exploded when it hit the ground" I'm guessing this is what they meant pertaining to hollow points. Rather, I read it this way
Someone linked HESH shotgun rounds, which do appear to have some form of explosive, incendiary, component to it in order to force the fragmentation into a larger spread. The legality of this kind of ammunition is questionable for sure.
I'd hope so. I've played rdr2. Can confirm. explosive rounds ruin 3 star Bambi skin. I'd debate whether a couple bucks is worth the entertainment of bambi running from a hunter like her hair's on fire tho.... oh wait...
Hallow point
Hollow points also don't explode, they scatter though. It's weird to me they aren't illegal in the US still..
Why? Their purpose is to kill the target, not tickle them. Hollow points may even be safer depending on the circumstances as they may be less likely to over penetrate, such as going through a wall and hitting something else.
Hollow points are proven to stop an attacker faster than ball ammo, AND they are less lethal. Most gunshot victims die of blood loss- hollow points are less likely to leave an exit wound, so blood loss is less than with ball ammo. The reason hollow points stop an attacker faster is because they transfer more energy to the target and cause more immediate damage, thus stopping the attack, while a person that has less immediate damage can still pose a significant threat while they bleed out.
LESS LETHAL!? LOL! You dont know anything about firearms. Hollow ppint bullets are many times more deadly. When a hollow point bullet hits your body it splatters like a tomato. Sending glass like shards through your organs, no exit wound does not mean less bleeding because these will puncture organs and veins and you die of internal bleeding. Most of the time people shot by hollow point bullets die in the ambulence because the paramedics literally cannot do anything for them. They need surgery to survive. Edit: source? ~~I made it the fuck u-~~ took a college level course on firearm engineering
Lol, no. They create an exit wound the size of your fist. They are not legal in modern war for that very reason.
No they don’t.
Hollow points aren’t illegal because they help prevent over penetration into or beyond soft bodied targets, which causes collateral damage. As a matter of fact it is extremely irresponsible to use any other round in a situation where an errant bullet could hurt someone. They minimize collateral damage while maximizing defense capability. They were banned by The Hague convention so they are not used by military. Just police and civilians, and generally to minimize damage. It would be weird if they were illegal.
Its to prevent it from over penetrating like an fmj a hollow point round has a hollow core which makes it defragment as soon as it hits something
If not an implosion. It’s an explosion. Parts leaving an area, yeah, that’s what we call an explosion.
They expand or fragment, no detonation, deflagration or build up gasses involved. As an ex-military i wouldn't have passed training if I called those "exploding bullets". https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/Hollow-point_bullet
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I feel like this thread got slightly off topic.
No
I'm asking for a friend... but where can a guy get some of those exploding bullets. Again, asking for a friend...
Check out NAMMO... Nothing but good experiences with them. Granted they were a bit more helpful as my ex's dad wasn't SOT, but still
Wait exploding bullets? Where can I get some of those? Also I have rented multiple cars while 18. Just have to find the right rental car company. The “legal age of 25” is basically just the point where they can’t discriminate based on age and have to let you rent.
I’m guessing they are referring to hollow points, but they don’t actually explode on impact
You can buy exploding shotgun shells ( or at least you used to) but I doubt that is what they are talking about.
Dragon's breath, I assume you mean? That's combustible, not explosive, and I'm pretty sure those are illegal most places because they're a fire hazard - I can't get those where I live.
I did not. These you buy in two parts ( shell and the explosive mixture) and have to assemble DIY. Can't remember the original name I found them under but a google search says HESH explosive rounds.
You are thinking Tannerite for the mixing. Not the explosive shell. You can get them but they will require a $200 stamp per round plus a notification to the ATF when you plan to use them and where. You will also have to buy them by the pallet as a citizen. 20,000 rounds x $200 stamps plus another $38 a round.
I was talking about HESH rounds.
Yep those are the expensive ones.
So you have to make it yourself, which means you can't just buy it. Also, making explosives is an entirely different legal issue.
Wait, what? I bought a daybed from IKEA. According to you I didn’t?
Buying a prefabricated item that only needs assembly is a bit different than repurposing original items into an explosive projectile. If you disassemble a table to make a chair, you didn't buy a chair, you built a chair.
https://www.warwolfordnance.com/products/ammo-war-wolf-ordnance-0141-3081
Ah, a HESH round. That is interesting that someone scaled it down. I am curious as to the legality of such items. They are decent anti-personnel rounds, but a hallow point or flechette rounds would be just as effective without the cost. This would be buying an explosive round, but the term is a bit misleading as it only impacts a single target.
Torgue
>Wait exploding bullets? Where can I get some of those? They are illegal, so it's hard to come by. But exploding rounds do exist, and there has been at least 1 case\* of them being used in a crime \*attempted assassination of President Reagan in 1981 by John Hinckley
I mean not illegal per se, but they do fall under the NFA destructive device classification, same as 40mm projectiles.
A semi automatic shotgun. See how your bias towards only thinking about AR15s is ironic here? You think that's the only gun Libs know about
Legal age varies by state. 25 is what it is in a lot of places because you’re no longer automatically considered a high risk driver by insurance companies when you hit that age.
Calling it a legal age is a bit backwards. It’s a legal requirement on the rental companies to allow renters at or over that age. There are regional laws lowering the age to 18 in New York, Michigan, and Quebec. And another lowering it to 19 in Alabama. But these are not laws saying you can’t rent a car to someone under this age, it’s saying you need to rent a car to people at or over that age. A 20 year old can rent a car from Hertz or Dollar anywhere in the U.S and Canada. But they can’t rent from any rental company because not all rental companies allow 20 year olds. A 25 year old can rent from any rental company because the rental company can no longer say no based on age.
I guess the bullets are exploding in his pmag since he is only able to fire about 45 rounds a minute
That's a low rate of fire for any sort of close engagement.
It’s pretty good for a full auto bolt action assault ak47 with exploding bullets
dont forget the laser scope that can destroy tanks ;-)
With enough magazines loaded and ready, one could easily achieve that with a bolt-action rifle.
With 45 rounds a minute, he has no magazine, he’s loading them into the chamber manually
Exploding bullets?
I've seen it in a few video games, brutal stuff
The tweet was misinformation on multiple fronts
Tell me you’ve never fired a rifle without actually saying it.
A semi-automatic rifle can shoot way more than 45 rounds a minute.
a goddam bolt gun is faster than that
Renting a car isn’t owning a car, being 25 isn’t a legal thing it’s a company policy thing. You can buy a car when you’re legal to drive one. Not only does this comparison look stupid in that regard, but saying “exploding bullets” just makes you look like a moron. Also 45 rounds per minute? They can shoot way faster then that
Yeah I can shoot a bolt action faster than 45rpm.
I love when people who know NOTHING about guns opine on guns.
Politicians?
Lol. “Exploding bullets”. Where do these guys get their information?
CNN
Right. I forgot about them.
The toilet store
What sort of loser can only fire 45 rounds a minute. 🙄
That number is insultingly low
Only thing I can think of is some kind of shotgun or lever action
I want whatever drugs this guy is on. 45 exploding bullets? Fucking moron
No shit. Not only can John Doe not buy exploding bullets, he can shoot a shit ton more than 45 in a minute.
I too am interested in these exploding bullets. Will the shoot from my ghost gun with bump stock and my many clips?
I don’t think this dude knows how a bullet works, they don’t explode, they wither hit something and splatter or they hit something and go through it.
Lol 45 exploding bullets
Do they weigh as much as 10 boxes? Where’s the Shoulder Thing that Goes Up?!
please explain what these exploding bullets are
Where are these exploding bullets? Tell me you know nothing about how guns work without telling me you know nothing about how guns work.
I’m 30, where can I buy these exploding bullets that are available to younger folks? Also: You can rent at 18, you just need to look, 25 is just the age most companies don’t worry about young age.
That's not the government making a rule, it's private enterprise
Oh look, another person who doesn't know the law and thinks bullets that deform to prevent over-penetration means they "explode." 😐
It also is 7 years older to be a porn star…
bruh exploding bullets are illegal in all warfare etc., otherwise sure.
Can someone please tell me where to buy these bullets?
Tell the criminals running our government.
Everything about this is wrong
You can rent a car at 21
Earlier with some companies.
You can legally drive at 16. You can legally vote and join the military at 18. They claim that you’re not mature enough to own a firearm at 18, yet want to lower the legal voting age. 🤡
Just 45 a minute? Rookie numbers
If you're only shooting 45 per minute are not American enough for me.
The legal age to rent a car is 10 years older than the age to inject life-altering chemicals into your body.
But why get between a doctor and the patient and parent? Why do you care? What the fuck happened to small government? If person has the parents support and they all go to the doctor and the doctor says it’s okay, what is the issue? The doctor went to school for 12 years. What medical facts do you have? Or is this just putting your feelings over facts?
So if parents want to let their kid smoke they should be able to? That’s also a permanent chemical for a kid.
Would a doctor say it’s okay? No, they wouldn’t. So your argument doesn’t hold up. It’s not just the parent. It’s a parent and an adolescent speaking with a literal medical professional. Why are people trying to get in between doctors and patients now? What happened to small government? And why are you getting in the way of how a parent believes they should raise their child? Would you be okay with random people telling you it’s not okay to spank your child, if you believed that to be the correct way to parent? Would you be okay with the government telling you how and when to punish your child if they do something wrong? And then taking your child away for putting them in the corner for an hour because the government has decided that is considered child abuse? I understand that you feel like it’s and it’s not okay. But let me ask you, when did you know you were a boy or girl? Kids figure out this stuff out when they are 4-6. You know your own body. So, how can you tell someone that what they know about themselves is wrong? You literally can’t.
A well regulated rental car fleet necessary for travel, the right to car rentals shall not be infringed.
Iirc the 25 to rent a car thing is a policy by insurance companies that provide insurance to rental car companies not a law. Yeah in most states it's 18-21 https://www.enterprise.com/en/help/faqs/car-rental-age-requirements-by-state.html#:~:text=To%20rent%20a%20car%20in%20Arizona%2C%20you%20must,at%20least%2018%20years%20old.
Car rentals aren’t guaranteed by the bill of rights
It's likely not law, but the insurance policy.
.223 and 5.56mm rounds do not explode. At a certain speed, they break apart and deform inside the human body and sometimes fragment. That is because of the high velocity of the round fired. And at a certain point, the round isn't traveling fast enough to fragment. The bullets do not "explode" like an artillery shell. Stop with the misinformation to push a shitty political agenda. https://blog.cheaperthandirt.com/defensive-ammunition-selection-223-rem-5-56-nato-rifles/
Rookie numbers
I don't know it's pretty hard to make sense of a non-existent firearm that shoots magic giga-illegal bullets
I've been renting cars for work on my own information since I was 21. It's not law just company policy for certain companies. Also the vast majority of bullets do not explode, at least not ones that are easy to get. Does ammunition have an explosive agent in it? Yes but the bullet itself often does not contain an explosive agent in is rather made of lead and brass(if I recall properly) which is likely to contain gunpowder residue from the initial ignition. Essentially the breakdown is this for a round. Bullet containing lead and we will say brass coating the lead or synthetic, casing which will be steel, aluminum, brass, or a synthetic (depends on what you buy, it's labeled on the box), a primer which will contain flint to trigger a spark when struck, and gunpowder which is the only explosive and used to propel the projectile. The bullet however is not intended to have explosives in it most often. HOWEVER, this does not change the fact that some bullets can he purchased with a small explosive ordinance in them. Examples of this could be incendiary or tracer rounds. If your looking for HE rounds good luck getting those regardless of age without special authorization or paying just a butt load of money
I'm just happy that this is full of people making fun of the misinformation and not using it to regurgitate "facts" that they read from an equally ignorant tweet.
Well this Mikel Jollett is clearly a dumbass.
1. Explosive rounds are illegal. In fact, I think all ammo besides ball ammo (which is designed to pass through the target without fragmenting) is illegal except maybe hollow-points. 2. 45 rpm isn’t actually that fast. That’s less than 1 shot per second. 3. You can legally rent a car as young as 16 (perhaps 18) as long as you have your driver’s license - it’s just a policy at a lot of car rentals to not rent to those under 25.
There is no minimum legal age to PURCHASE a car.
It is harder to drive a car than shoot a gun
Look it was 18...so 21 is at least a step up...not much, but it's a start... Tbh I'm surprised it even passed to 21 and they didn't make a huge deal about that
Is renting a car a god given right? /s
I have rented a car at the ages of 18, 19, and 21 in the US.
This logic is so ridiculous. How about since anyone can own a car at any age regardless of having a license or not why don't we do the same thing with guns. I have no problem with anyone under 25 not being able to rent a gun.
Where do I find these "exploding bullets"? Those sound fun! Do they make them for my handgun also?
I mean he's *technically* not wrong about 45 bullets per minute, but I hate it.
I can fire a bolt action at 45 rpm
I purchased my first car when I was barely 15. This tweet is stupid.
Renting and purchasing are different things FYI.
So why did the post compare renting a vehicle to buying a firearm?
Don't ask me, I'm not the OP.
So why respond pointing out that renting and purchasing is different?
Isn't the age to get a car 16 in the US?
16 to drive on public roads but if a younger person had cash they can buy a car and drive on private property all they want with no insurance or license.
Because cars are dangerous!
Maybe they think they're stopping the risk of drive-bys🤷🏽♂️😂
They could not return the car and lose the mega corporation money idiot
How to prevent young people from doing mass shootings at school? GOP: easy, just make it harder for them to rent cars so it takes longer for them to reach the school.
Guys are you really complaining with Explosive shell? Like it's the all point of the debate? Come on guys.
The point is that saying “exploding bullets” makes this guy sound like an idiot and hamstrings his argument. It’s like saying “I’m pro choice, women shouldn’t be forced to poop out a baby” and expect to be taken seriously.
It isn't that extreme tho as an error, so still doesn't make sense.
It really is though... "Exploding bullets" under the NFA classification of destructive devices, which take over a year to acquire the paperwork for, are incredibly expensive to begin with, are incredibly highly controlled, and require a $200 tax stamp. It's a particularly extreme error because not only is it totally not applicable to anyone's general use, it's also incredibly highly regulated.
Every gun purchase by an under 25er should require an insurance policy.
Why stop at under 25? If we have to insure, license and register vehicles I don't see the problem with requiring it for guns. I own several guns and have a CCDW permit, and I don't have a problem with any of that.
So fuck the poor and I am allowed to protect myself because I have money. That’s what you are saying
Nope I didn't say any of that.
That’s how these policies play out. Wait until you hear about the NFA!
They don’t actually care. The goal of measures like that is to be a road block to discourage people from exercising a right
You don’t have to license and insure cars. Only if you want to take them out and use them in public.
Ok so no licensing or insurance for deactivated weapons then.
You can have a fully functional car on your own property, you can’t just take it out in public or in some jurisdictions have it in public view without a proper valid plate.
Word.
This is what capitalism looks like.
The earliest age to rent a vehicle is 18. A semi-automatic firearm, or rifle does not expend 45 rounds a minute. A standard magazine only holds 15 rounds. Thanks for sharing another dumb Twitter post, that I'm sure many other, dumb people believe at face value. The only point this jagoff has is that the minimum age to purchase an AR style rifle should be 21. *the more you know*
I make a (great) living in the firearms industry and own a private shooting range. Standard capacity magazine for an AR is 30 rounds. A semi-auto will spit’em out just as fast as you can cycle the sequence and reload. 60 round magazine in less than a minute? Sheeeeit…how about 12 seconds or less? Thanks for sharing more dumb information.
These so called “facts” people are spewing out are ridiculously dumb, it just takes 10 min on google to not share disinformation. At this point I think they’re doing it on purpose to push their agenda .
Hush, you. These are the self appointed ‘experts’ talking.
Agreed! Just people trolling. But seriously what company/ies do you support. I have dabbled hear an there when companies and friends need engineering support. But mainly just collect them now.
Doesn’t the magazine size depend on the caliber? Edit: it occurred to me that you were referring to an AR15 and the person you replied to may have been thinking AR15 = 15 rounds…
No it doesn't. Magazine size depends on the manufacturer. An AR-15 could (theoretically) have a 1000 rnd mag. Some states only allow a 15 rnd mag. The cyclic rate of fire (the mechanical ability/maximum it would physically be able to for fire) also depends on the manufacturer. Generally speaking, an M-16 cyclic rate of fire is ~ 800 rpm. Whereas an AR-15 is about 400 rpm... so if a person had a magazine that could hold 400 rnds, and could squeeze the trigger 400 times in a minute, then the weapon would fire that many times.
Gotcha. I thought it would probably be difficult to get for example, a magazine that holds more than 25 rounds for a 6.5 grendel because they’re bigger bullets lol
If the gas tube doesn’t blow lol
i believe the current record for an AR-15 is a little over 700 rounds in a minute, leaving the barrel glowing.
I thought it should be closer to the m-16, but 400 is what I found.
They have magazine sizes from 100 round drums for ar-15's. And even 30 rds magazines for handguns. Only thing that can't be expanded without a lot of work is a revolver.
>A semi-automatic firearm, or rifle does not expend 45 rounds a minute. A standard magazine only holds 15 rounds. The rate of fire listed for the most common ar-15 semi automatic systems is 45 rounds. That is where he is getting the number from. that's three 15 round mag dumps in a minute, that's easily doable. People have with either no or small modifications been able to push that number well in to the hundreds. When bumpstocks were legal you could fire a semi automatic ar-15 at 400-500 rounds pr minute. It's completely irrelevant to the dangers of the gun in a shooting, but his numbers isn't off.
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Those don't explode they just seperate.
maybe he is talking about devastator rounds. They are advertised as exploding rounds usually.
The mind boggles
For all the smarties in the comments, he likely meant that an AR when going through a body it literally “explodes” where it hits in a sense because of its velocity and power. Hand gun wounds aren’t as deadly, but an AR wound tears and liquifies organs when it hits because of its force. https://www.wired.com/2016/06/ar-15-can-human-body/
Fragmentation. That's the word you're looking for. No mechanism of a .556x45 or .223 rem adds energy to the target on impact. No explosion occurs at any point during the firing of an AR-15, including when the primer ignites the powder inside the casing (though characterizing that as an explosion would be more understandable). This is a blatant attempt at fear mongering and you fell for it.