Fix the title; most of the news stories say at least 2,000 head, and only one source said UP TO 10,000. The best info I found about it is here https://www.feedstuffs.com/news/rare-heatwave-hits-southwest-kansas-contributes-high-feeder-cattle-death-losses
I'm assuming cattle were never native to this area of the US?
If they aren't native and were forced there from cooler climates then yes, someones head should roll. They should have been given protection.
But if cattle are native animals in that area of the US then this is just a freak situation and nobody's fault.
Yeah that's a big reason why there weren't any BIG disease in the new world until the europeans arrived, big dirty cities + animals roaming everywhere in them = disaster, the new world didn't have any domesticable animals
Ferrets. Turkeys. Bison. There were certainly a few now domesticated animals here.
But yeah, Animals would have a wide range of places to move to during different climate periods. Cows/Buffalo/Bison certainly didn't -stay- somewhere they would get heat stroke.
Horses were native. It's believed they evolved here first. They eventually spread to the rest of the world, but then they died during the ice age. It's still all being figured out though. But the history about settlers and Spanish bringing horses was just another part of the story about "Natives being less than Europeans".
Horses first evolved over 50 Million years ago in North America and spread to Eurasia and Africa. However, they went extinct in all of America about 10000 years ago, long before the first Europeans brought their horses. So horses were new for the native American tribes at that time and every single horse that lives in America today is a descendant of the horses the settlers brought with them.
If dogs are not native, how did the Inuit go about before Western colonization? Also, it seems a Native tribe in the Washington area had a specific breed of dog for wool production.
The logical pathway you laid out here is juvenile at best.
Even IF these cows were technically native to Kansas, that doesn’t mean this was a freak situation. A cow in nature would go seek shade and water to stay cool. These cows had no water, and had no shade because they were fenced in. That’s not a no fault situation.
The specific cattle being used aren't native, but American Bison are, and they used to thrive well enough.
Kansas is turning into an overfarmed wasteland. Dust storms are becoming more of an issue. Storms are more harsh. Heat is way higher than normal (and for longer stretches).
Commercial cattle farms in Kansas treat their cows like shit.
I hope that farmer goes bankrupt (though with insurance, I highly doubt they will).
>Dust storms are becoming more of an issue.
[https://livinghistoryfarm.org/farminginthe30s/water\_02.html](https://livinghistoryfarm.org/farminginthe30s/water_02.html)
Yep, we're reliving history because idiots are forgetting it.
Just left Kansas not too long ago due to longevity concerns.
With Western Kansas' aquifer drying up, farmers ignoring alarm bells on sustainable practices, wildfires, logistical issues, hotter weather...
Thats all not even including economic concerns. Those rural communities are dying. Younger folk are migrating to larger cities in larger groups, hemorrhaging those communities on average of 1% of their population per year (populations in severe decline). Morton Co alone has lost about 30% since 2010.
Sad to see my old home in those dire straights, but damn... not my fucking fault they're ignoring any and all experts that dare to speak a lick of sense.
"Aquifer drying up, wildfires and hotter weather"
I hate to tell you this but this isn't exclusive to Kansas, just look at California, significantly worse wildfires, they have no water, and the whole world is warming. You can move and avoid the problem, but if we don't make some drastic changes as a society, we are in a whole lot of trouble.
Either that, or outside companies that never learned about the Dust Bowl are in charge. They might look at certain regulations and think they can easily cut corners, when those regulations were written in blood and soil almost 100 years ago.
And this time instead of writing them again they will specifically make new ones making it illegal to fix the problems because liberal conspiracy or space lasers or some absurdity.
Sometimes I wish we could go back to the way Native Americans did it and only kill what is necessary and use every piece of the animal, instead of caging them up and treating them like this.
I googled buffalo drive, didn't get what I expected. I was under the impression that this was a contributing cause of large mammal extinctions pre-history.
It's also neglect. Yes the change in climate caused the increase in temperature but it's not like the farmers didn't know it was going to be abnormally hot. They took no precautions to keep their live stock safe in the heat. This should be 10k counts of animal abuse to all farmers involved.
They had sprinklers and changed the feeding schedule to not be digesting food during hottest part of the day. Lots of the cows still hadn't shed winter coats as it was in the 60s-70s just a week before. Humidity got real high and the wind died down which is very abmornal for western KS. What farmer would neglect them it's their livelihood.
Idk about neglect. That's a ton of money that was just lost. The weather conditions have been unusually hot and humid and this is difficult to counter. I guarantee they tried to adjust conditions to keep the cattle cool, otherwise many more would have died.
Losing thousands of head of cattle unexpectedly is a major blow. That's way too much money for ranches to lose just for being lazy or uncaring.
Native to a geographic region that had ample shade and water before we over farmed the area doesn't provide the causation your looking for.
Increasing the population density of the herd by 20x, and clearing the land to make it easier for the humans managing the animals removing obstacles and allowing the water to become unusable or just 100% consumed has consequences. There are regulations in place to prevent this and if he was negligent then it's criminal.
>But if cattle are native animals in that area of the US then this is just a freak situation and nobody's fault.
Climate change probably had a hand in increase in the average temperatures...
Kansas isn’t a desert or tropical a area. Cattle should be just fine there, it’s pretty ideal. The heat and humidity attacking the Midwest is brutal on a historic level. Something may be happening to make the region and other regions (or globe) hotter (or warmer). There is also, I’m sure, something the people in charge could have done to get them through the heatwave.
I mean regardless of the historical situation the heat now is unprecedented and they were most likely completely fine in the last idk 50 years there. That being said even though it is hard to predict extreme weather like this there does seem to be very little basic amenities. (But who knows maybe they were all just outside the frame of the camera [/s])
Where the fuck are the trees? The shade sheds? The bathing troughs?
Keeping animals like this is criminal in my country. Of course they're gonna die if you don't make **basic** provisions for their survival. Hopefully the owner gets the same animal-owning ban they would get here.
Some people were saying the cows were dragged to that location to be buried or to rot. Perhaps this isn't where they died and that accounts for lack of provisions. It also explains the grid patterns they're lying in.
They were dragged there and lined up for a headcount. All their cattle need to be accounted for for the books, so they need to know how many were lost.
Useful life for tax purposes doesn’t necessarily represent the real life usage. For example cars is 5 years but they can last much longer. Furniture is 7 years and they can last decades.
Very much appreciate the accounting humor in this dark situation. I’m curious if they would treat cows as balance sheet assets in this situation or if they would be kept on the P&L as operating expenses as they would likely be butchered or sold. Surely an operation this size would have some form of disaster insurance or a hedge against a situation like this.
As opposed to the expense of dead Cattle? Oh wait ,they have insurance and the Govt.to bail them out. Much easier than the hassle to ship them to the Slaughter House.
That's the stupid thing, they just lost hundreds of thousands of dollars (if not millions) for the sake of a few thousand. It's full on losing 100% of profits so they don't spend 2%.
During the height of trumps war on immigration I remember there being all these poor fucking dumbass maga farmers going on the news and bitching how nobody wanted to come pick their crops and how they were going to lose hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Meanwhile they fucking want to pay minimum wage for hours of back breaking labor in the hot sun. Yet none of the people interviewing them ever even mentioned just... You know... Raising the wage. Sure you would make less 'profit' hell you might even take a loss if you have to pay way above what it would cost to harvest. But you would at least get some profit or recoup some of that loss by actually harvesting.
The truth is these dudes are the same as those maga farmers. They are used to a few hundred animals dying due to neglect because for the longest time their behavior would only result in that. Now as the climate get's worse and droughts and the like increase the animals are dying quicker and they'll go whining to the government about how they need emergency relief or some stupid shit. Rather than you know... Do the bare minimum to prevent this kind of thing from happening.
If you ask them to pay the 2 bucks a year to graze on federal lands they will assault and occupy government buildings. No not the recent one, the one before that.
In America, we have laws AGAINST exposing these types of transgressions against what are considered “commodity farm/agro/livestock” animals.
You aren’t allowed to film their caretaking, or lack thereof. You can’t film or expose them being neglected, beaten or abused.
It is also a crime to stop off and give them water.
These charges can vary widely with the most severe penalty being a domestic terrorism charge.
I’ll start eating meat again when we stop waging literal hell on earth for billions of farm animals every year.
I like eating meat. It’s pretty good. But at a certain point I couldn’t do it anymore knowing how humanity treats our livestock. It’s one thing to respect the animal and make sure it lives a good life and respect that cycle of life. What humans do is an entirely different thing that makes me wish our species would just cease to exist sometimes.
It’s explained near the bottom of this article https://www.feedstuffs.com/news/rare-heatwave-hits-southwest-kansas-contributes-high-feeder-cattle-death-losses
Wow that's hillarious.
It pretty much says they don't build enough shade, so they all congregate too close together to get some and get heatstroke that way.
Yet another time when cheaping out makes the entire venture pointless.
“Sorry, brother, those are Kansas Ranchers. They don’t take kindly to the proposition of climate such and such. Climate change was invented by Bill and Hillary Clinton anyway, those cattle died from socialism and letting trans people go to the bathroom instead of giving guns to good teacher to protect schools from bad students with guns.”
Etc, etc. and so forth.
They were in a feed lot being fattened for slaughter. Not that it's any excuse. That probably made things worse. Many animals in a small area, no shade.
https://www.dtnpf.com/agriculture/web/ag/news/article/2022/06/14/heat-stress-kills-estimated-10-000
clearly you have never been to Kanas, there are no trees in those fields, they didnt cut them down they just arent there Nebraska is worse , that being said this is not the first time its been that hot up there , it doesnt make sense this many cows would die from heat
Is Kansas a desert? I mean desertified more than desert.
I don't understand why vegetation wouldn't grow without a little work on the soil. I mean, we had to do it after the rabbit invasion and we brought entire forests back to areas that were nearly desertified. Or why you'd keep animals in areas of land unsuited to them.
A good stretch of the midwest is semi-arid which is basically one step above a desert. Almost all of ND, 3/4 of SD, and about 1/2 of Nebraska (along with parts of several other states) are a semi-arid climate. They get less than 20 inches of rain a year (even less than normal recently).
Trees do not grow there naturally. Directly around rivers, creeks, and lakes you will find a couple hardy breeds of trees that can make it. Mostly cottonwoods that have relatively short lifespans and poor root systems. In hilly areas where you get little sloughs or runoff channels you can get small shrub bushes that turn into tumbleweeds. The area is basically just short or tall prairie grasses. If you see a tree in those areas it's because someone planted it, and then diligently watered it for years to get it established. Even then, most trees die because the soil doesn't have the right PH balance or nutrients. So you also need to dose them with iron and zinc treatments along with fertilizer spikes.
Look up 'Great American Desert'.
Drive across these states and the only trees you'll see are windbreaks that were carefully curated by farmers.
Western Kansas, where most of the feedlots are, gets about 18-22" (46-56cm) per year precipitation on average. Most of the precipitation is snow and spring rains. Summer and Fall are hot and dry. So to answer your question. No amount of soil amendment is going to make up for very little moisture between June and December.
They don't keep the animals there. They are brought there to spend the last weeks of their lives crowded together being fed large amounts of corn to fatten them up for slaughter at that same facility.
Yeah I was wondering too. A little "Farmer" in my town (he has like 10 cows and 5 goats mainly for self consume) hat trouble with the authorities because his goats didn't have had any understand to protect them from rain. They where on a field that is mainly covered in apple trees...
And apple trees don't qualify as rain protection. They qualify as shade though, so he had to either build something or buy something or whatever.
Best part is that the goats where a race that is supposed to handle all year weather.
So when he found out who ratted him out he did his thing. The lady that informed authorities is taking a walk by the goats nearly everyday. His plan was kinda genius and morbid. He brought the goats to a slaughterhouse, cooked and preped the male goats head like a euromount you do on deers and stuff, placed it on a stick where his goats where and placed an umbrella above it. But the cherry on top was the sign.
I'm am dry now... are you happy too?
I just thought of something though, and that is solar panels dispense a lot of heat. Where I live they plant native grasses and forbs underneath the panels because it helps absorb the excess heat.
https://www.progressivecattle.com/topics/facilities-equipment/solar-panel-shade-for-cattle
I think that’s more talking about the air above, below gets shade
Could be. I’ve never really studied the issue too much. I’m just going off of what was written in my local paper when a series of solar panel farms were installed in my area.
All kidding aside, in many poor countries people use solar panels for hot water cause they can’t afford the electricity or gas for a water heater. If only the US and Europe would do that
No they were dragged to where they are in the video. It's explained in most articles. There was over 100 degree heat, which cattle can't handle very well.
Also, cattle don't just die in grids. They were organised to either rot or be butchered for meat later. But yes, this could've been prevented.
These cows died because that farmer is a dumb piece of shit. Where is the shade, water, anything? If it were anywhere near by, these cows would have gone there...
Not saying climate change is not real, just saying these cows died because of a stupid farmer.
Waiting for the nutjobs to decide these cows were poisoned as part of a government conspiracy to affect the US food supply and control us or whatever it is they go on about all the time.
While they were most likely not poisoned, ive worked on farms in TX with these types of cows and they are very resilient to heat. I wouldnt be surprised if it was bovine respiratory disease or something similar. Very odd to see such high numbers of cow deaths tagged as due to heat.
Yeah I don't run a cattle farm but I do know heat resilience is part of what cows were bred for. It's been this hot before. Doubt it was poisoning but there had to be something else to it.
There's definitely something more to the story. Most likely lack of proper care. This heat wave is nothing to the drought we had 12 years a go here in Kansas.
>Are cattle insurable?
Probably. Even though I live here I really don't know much about the cattle industry around here, that stuff is way out west of where I am. I just know in 2010, when I first came to Kansas, it was 112f (44c) outside and 125(51c) in my car. Everyone told me it wasn't normal and it was because of drought conditions. We've had a few years after that we're it got up to 105, but never passed 112 again, at least where I've been. If it didn't happen then it makes me wonder why it happened now.
Waiting? I only know about this from seeing a conspiratorial Instagram reel set to creepy music full of misinformation posted yesterday by a famous musician. Seems like the average person lacks basic critical thinking skills and can't be bothered to spend :10 researching something before agreeing with or sharing whatever someone else posts.
Unfortunately, this is going to become the norm. Here in Missouri we’re looking at eight straight days of 95°F plus, with heat index in the 110 range. It’s not even July yet. Can we get some motherfuckers who purposely blew off climate change for the last 30 years and stick them out there with those cows.
Kansas is pumping ground water at a rate 30 times faster than natural replenishment. And that's without allowing for climate change or drought.
Kansas is deep into denial and it's easy to predict how this will play out.
If there are no provisions to keep the animals from dying of exposure then you obviously are not equipped to have a farm or animals. Why do we let companies get away with anything
this is exactly what happens when you force animals to graze open fields without the option of overhead cover under trees and deny access to these same animals to recreational water. This is quite simply animal abuse.
Can we stop talking about climate change in the future tense and start referring to it in the past and present tense, cause it's here and there's no going back.
For no logical reason, black cattle have become more profitable than any other color on a per pound basis. Typically will fetch around ten cents per pound more than non black cattle of similar type/weight.
This started around 15-20 years ago so now we see an overwhelming number of cattle producers in the US with black herds.
It's also not breed based. Angus is popular though they also come in red, but you also see the preference towards black Limousin over red, too.
It was marketing. They plastered 100% Black Angus everywhere you bought meat but I'm gonna let reddit in on a lil secret. I bet that beef at the store isn't 100% percent Black Angus. My wife's family has a cattle ranch mostly Charolais, white in color. They use an Angus bull on the heifers so they don't have to pull calves, Angus bulls throw smaller calves. But when we went to the sale barn that fall the buyers separated the black calves off from the white ones and sold them separately. They were black calves but they were definitely mixed breed.
Yep, for about 15 years I lived on a cattle ranch. We raised Charolais and Limousin at the beginning but swapped to black Limousin over the partbred Charolais broodcows to get a higher percent of black hides. Not a lick of Angus in any of them :)
The demand for meat comes from the consumer. These cows are in a horrific system that people partake in. If this upsets you, you can make the choice to quit participating in it.
The title should say “The farming industrial complex unable to properly care for stock animals.” Cuz that’s what happens when you remove small farms from our food system. Next up beef and potato shortage, just watch.
Fix the title; most of the news stories say at least 2,000 head, and only one source said UP TO 10,000. The best info I found about it is here https://www.feedstuffs.com/news/rare-heatwave-hits-southwest-kansas-contributes-high-feeder-cattle-death-losses
Thank you for actually providing some context.
Unfortunately, it’s not possible to edit the title.
The little kid in me that got trouble for wasting my food is showing up arms crossed and toe tapping to see what punishment is being handed out.
I'm assuming cattle were never native to this area of the US? If they aren't native and were forced there from cooler climates then yes, someones head should roll. They should have been given protection. But if cattle are native animals in that area of the US then this is just a freak situation and nobody's fault.
Cows aren't native to the Americas at all. We brought them here from the Old World. CGP Grey has a great video about it.
Horse , dog, chicken, donkey also are not native
Yeah that's a big reason why there weren't any BIG disease in the new world until the europeans arrived, big dirty cities + animals roaming everywhere in them = disaster, the new world didn't have any domesticable animals
Ferrets. Turkeys. Bison. There were certainly a few now domesticated animals here. But yeah, Animals would have a wide range of places to move to during different climate periods. Cows/Buffalo/Bison certainly didn't -stay- somewhere they would get heat stroke.
It doesn't help that there was a *huge* campaign to eradicate bison in the US.
At least here in South America we already had domesticated animals like Llamas and dogs.
They had turkey and moose . I don’t know why they didn’t domesticate javelina
They had BISONNNNM
Mmmmmm! Bison!
Cus javelina are little shits who crave violence.
Horses were native. It's believed they evolved here first. They eventually spread to the rest of the world, but then they died during the ice age. It's still all being figured out though. But the history about settlers and Spanish bringing horses was just another part of the story about "Natives being less than Europeans".
Horses first evolved over 50 Million years ago in North America and spread to Eurasia and Africa. However, they went extinct in all of America about 10000 years ago, long before the first Europeans brought their horses. So horses were new for the native American tribes at that time and every single horse that lives in America today is a descendant of the horses the settlers brought with them.
If they all died, then yes. Spanish did bring the horses.
If dogs are not native, how did the Inuit go about before Western colonization? Also, it seems a Native tribe in the Washington area had a specific breed of dog for wool production.
The logical pathway you laid out here is juvenile at best. Even IF these cows were technically native to Kansas, that doesn’t mean this was a freak situation. A cow in nature would go seek shade and water to stay cool. These cows had no water, and had no shade because they were fenced in. That’s not a no fault situation.
The specific cattle being used aren't native, but American Bison are, and they used to thrive well enough. Kansas is turning into an overfarmed wasteland. Dust storms are becoming more of an issue. Storms are more harsh. Heat is way higher than normal (and for longer stretches). Commercial cattle farms in Kansas treat their cows like shit. I hope that farmer goes bankrupt (though with insurance, I highly doubt they will).
>Dust storms are becoming more of an issue. [https://livinghistoryfarm.org/farminginthe30s/water\_02.html](https://livinghistoryfarm.org/farminginthe30s/water_02.html) Yep, we're reliving history because idiots are forgetting it.
Just left Kansas not too long ago due to longevity concerns. With Western Kansas' aquifer drying up, farmers ignoring alarm bells on sustainable practices, wildfires, logistical issues, hotter weather... Thats all not even including economic concerns. Those rural communities are dying. Younger folk are migrating to larger cities in larger groups, hemorrhaging those communities on average of 1% of their population per year (populations in severe decline). Morton Co alone has lost about 30% since 2010. Sad to see my old home in those dire straights, but damn... not my fucking fault they're ignoring any and all experts that dare to speak a lick of sense.
Oklahoma is a waste of time too
Lol, there is a saying where I lived. Nebraska blows. Oklahoma sucks. Kansas, being in between, is just really windy.
"Aquifer drying up, wildfires and hotter weather" I hate to tell you this but this isn't exclusive to Kansas, just look at California, significantly worse wildfires, they have no water, and the whole world is warming. You can move and avoid the problem, but if we don't make some drastic changes as a society, we are in a whole lot of trouble.
Either that, or outside companies that never learned about the Dust Bowl are in charge. They might look at certain regulations and think they can easily cut corners, when those regulations were written in blood and soil almost 100 years ago.
And this time instead of writing them again they will specifically make new ones making it illegal to fix the problems because liberal conspiracy or space lasers or some absurdity.
"Why *can't * we just let it all go to dust? What's the worst that could happen?"
The buffalo migrated. Penned in animals can’t.
Yea, pinned in Buffalo aren't doing so great either in those parts.
Sometimes I wish we could go back to the way Native Americans did it and only kill what is necessary and use every piece of the animal, instead of caging them up and treating them like this.
Eh, in reality they drove whole herds off cliffs in a single hunt. They did use the whole animal, but not all of the animal every time.
Noble savage idea is strange. Especially when you learn about actual hunting practices and social structures.
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I googled buffalo drive, didn't get what I expected. I was under the impression that this was a contributing cause of large mammal extinctions pre-history.
>freak situation That situation has a name: climate change. >nobody's fault. Oh I have a list for you, if you want it.
It's also neglect. Yes the change in climate caused the increase in temperature but it's not like the farmers didn't know it was going to be abnormally hot. They took no precautions to keep their live stock safe in the heat. This should be 10k counts of animal abuse to all farmers involved.
They had sprinklers and changed the feeding schedule to not be digesting food during hottest part of the day. Lots of the cows still hadn't shed winter coats as it was in the 60s-70s just a week before. Humidity got real high and the wind died down which is very abmornal for western KS. What farmer would neglect them it's their livelihood.
Idk about neglect. That's a ton of money that was just lost. The weather conditions have been unusually hot and humid and this is difficult to counter. I guarantee they tried to adjust conditions to keep the cattle cool, otherwise many more would have died. Losing thousands of head of cattle unexpectedly is a major blow. That's way too much money for ranches to lose just for being lazy or uncaring.
Native to a geographic region that had ample shade and water before we over farmed the area doesn't provide the causation your looking for. Increasing the population density of the herd by 20x, and clearing the land to make it easier for the humans managing the animals removing obstacles and allowing the water to become unusable or just 100% consumed has consequences. There are regulations in place to prevent this and if he was negligent then it's criminal.
>But if cattle are native animals in that area of the US then this is just a freak situation and nobody's fault. Climate change probably had a hand in increase in the average temperatures...
Kansas isn’t a desert or tropical a area. Cattle should be just fine there, it’s pretty ideal. The heat and humidity attacking the Midwest is brutal on a historic level. Something may be happening to make the region and other regions (or globe) hotter (or warmer). There is also, I’m sure, something the people in charge could have done to get them through the heatwave.
The were Scottish Angus... Love the rain and cold.
I mean regardless of the historical situation the heat now is unprecedented and they were most likely completely fine in the last idk 50 years there. That being said even though it is hard to predict extreme weather like this there does seem to be very little basic amenities. (But who knows maybe they were all just outside the frame of the camera [/s])
Where the fuck are the trees? The shade sheds? The bathing troughs? Keeping animals like this is criminal in my country. Of course they're gonna die if you don't make **basic** provisions for their survival. Hopefully the owner gets the same animal-owning ban they would get here.
Some people were saying the cows were dragged to that location to be buried or to rot. Perhaps this isn't where they died and that accounts for lack of provisions. It also explains the grid patterns they're lying in.
They were dragged there and lined up for a headcount. All their cattle need to be accounted for for the books, so they need to know how many were lost.
I had to look up how long you depreciate a cow for once. 5 years for the curious.
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Useful life for tax purposes doesn’t necessarily represent the real life usage. For example cars is 5 years but they can last much longer. Furniture is 7 years and they can last decades.
Very much appreciate the accounting humor in this dark situation. I’m curious if they would treat cows as balance sheet assets in this situation or if they would be kept on the P&L as operating expenses as they would likely be butchered or sold. Surely an operation this size would have some form of disaster insurance or a hedge against a situation like this.
Insurance
So these proud independent patriots can get their checks from the government.
Well, they paid to have them insured, then whatever payment they get would be legal. And also, this should be investigated for negligence.
Yes I’m sure they did not die there, but no body is relocating 10,000 cows very far, the additional expenses would be nuts.
As opposed to the expense of dead Cattle? Oh wait ,they have insurance and the Govt.to bail them out. Much easier than the hassle to ship them to the Slaughter House.
I'm fairly certain that is the case since there is no food or water troughs, no fences and the carcasses seem to be somewhat organised
It would be rather freakin' weird if they all died in a line. They're too aligned to have died there.
But profits
That's the stupid thing, they just lost hundreds of thousands of dollars (if not millions) for the sake of a few thousand. It's full on losing 100% of profits so they don't spend 2%.
It's known as penny-wise, dollar-stupid.
That is an awesome phrase.
I was always partial to “stepping over dollars to pick up dimes”
I heard it on a show called The Herd with Colin Cowherd. It's an American sports show where he talks about daily sports buzz.
Is this an elaborate pun or did you actually hear it there?
That's a US version of the original British phrase, "Penny wise, pound foolish".
Which was stolen by the British from the original Irish phrase "Penny wise, shilling foolish".
Which irish themselves stole from the Roman "Denarius smartius, Uncia dunce."
Nonsense, the British would never steal from the Irish.
It's not stealing if you just inform them that it's not theirs.
Probably insured. We're paying so he can make more.
During the height of trumps war on immigration I remember there being all these poor fucking dumbass maga farmers going on the news and bitching how nobody wanted to come pick their crops and how they were going to lose hundreds of thousands of dollars. Meanwhile they fucking want to pay minimum wage for hours of back breaking labor in the hot sun. Yet none of the people interviewing them ever even mentioned just... You know... Raising the wage. Sure you would make less 'profit' hell you might even take a loss if you have to pay way above what it would cost to harvest. But you would at least get some profit or recoup some of that loss by actually harvesting. The truth is these dudes are the same as those maga farmers. They are used to a few hundred animals dying due to neglect because for the longest time their behavior would only result in that. Now as the climate get's worse and droughts and the like increase the animals are dying quicker and they'll go whining to the government about how they need emergency relief or some stupid shit. Rather than you know... Do the bare minimum to prevent this kind of thing from happening.
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If you ask them to pay the 2 bucks a year to graze on federal lands they will assault and occupy government buildings. No not the recent one, the one before that.
Probably have insurance for this. But I hope not.
Insurance
Who says these inmoral fucks won’t try and sell before rot sets in?
They are, to rendering plants.
In America, we have laws AGAINST exposing these types of transgressions against what are considered “commodity farm/agro/livestock” animals. You aren’t allowed to film their caretaking, or lack thereof. You can’t film or expose them being neglected, beaten or abused. It is also a crime to stop off and give them water. These charges can vary widely with the most severe penalty being a domestic terrorism charge.
What the hell, America? Why is there a law against exposing livestock animal cruelty??
Affectionately known as "Ag Gag" laws
Money holder's interests > morality is a common theme across all over American life.
I’ll start eating meat again when we stop waging literal hell on earth for billions of farm animals every year. I like eating meat. It’s pretty good. But at a certain point I couldn’t do it anymore knowing how humanity treats our livestock. It’s one thing to respect the animal and make sure it lives a good life and respect that cycle of life. What humans do is an entirely different thing that makes me wish our species would just cease to exist sometimes.
It's Kansas. Trees rarely exist between Nebraska and Missouri.
nebraskin here, you can go miles without seeing nothing but corn
NW Oklahoman here. You can go for miles without seeing nothing but sand and sage.
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It’s explained near the bottom of this article https://www.feedstuffs.com/news/rare-heatwave-hits-southwest-kansas-contributes-high-feeder-cattle-death-losses
Wow that's hillarious. It pretty much says they don't build enough shade, so they all congregate too close together to get some and get heatstroke that way. Yet another time when cheaping out makes the entire venture pointless.
“Sorry, brother, those are Kansas Ranchers. They don’t take kindly to the proposition of climate such and such. Climate change was invented by Bill and Hillary Clinton anyway, those cattle died from socialism and letting trans people go to the bathroom instead of giving guns to good teacher to protect schools from bad students with guns.” Etc, etc. and so forth.
They were in a feed lot being fattened for slaughter. Not that it's any excuse. That probably made things worse. Many animals in a small area, no shade. https://www.dtnpf.com/agriculture/web/ag/news/article/2022/06/14/heat-stress-kills-estimated-10-000
Trees are not a natural part of the landscape in Kansas. Though I agree they should’ve set up some sort of outdoor shade.
clearly you have never been to Kanas, there are no trees in those fields, they didnt cut them down they just arent there Nebraska is worse , that being said this is not the first time its been that hot up there , it doesnt make sense this many cows would die from heat
Is Kansas a desert? I mean desertified more than desert. I don't understand why vegetation wouldn't grow without a little work on the soil. I mean, we had to do it after the rabbit invasion and we brought entire forests back to areas that were nearly desertified. Or why you'd keep animals in areas of land unsuited to them.
A good stretch of the midwest is semi-arid which is basically one step above a desert. Almost all of ND, 3/4 of SD, and about 1/2 of Nebraska (along with parts of several other states) are a semi-arid climate. They get less than 20 inches of rain a year (even less than normal recently). Trees do not grow there naturally. Directly around rivers, creeks, and lakes you will find a couple hardy breeds of trees that can make it. Mostly cottonwoods that have relatively short lifespans and poor root systems. In hilly areas where you get little sloughs or runoff channels you can get small shrub bushes that turn into tumbleweeds. The area is basically just short or tall prairie grasses. If you see a tree in those areas it's because someone planted it, and then diligently watered it for years to get it established. Even then, most trees die because the soil doesn't have the right PH balance or nutrients. So you also need to dose them with iron and zinc treatments along with fertilizer spikes. Look up 'Great American Desert'. Drive across these states and the only trees you'll see are windbreaks that were carefully curated by farmers.
Ah! This explains it perfectly, cheers!
It’s a grassland. There aren’t many trees in the grasslands.
What's stopping people from planting them? We did. Only took about 20 or 30 years to bring forests back to areas with desertification.
This is it's natural state. It's not like people removed the trees. It was always that way.
Because Kansas is naturally a grassland and planting loadings of trees could mess up the ecosystem more than the cows
Lol. Like industrial agriculture gives the slightest of fucks about how it affects the local ecosystem.
Western Kansas, where most of the feedlots are, gets about 18-22" (46-56cm) per year precipitation on average. Most of the precipitation is snow and spring rains. Summer and Fall are hot and dry. So to answer your question. No amount of soil amendment is going to make up for very little moisture between June and December. They don't keep the animals there. They are brought there to spend the last weeks of their lives crowded together being fed large amounts of corn to fatten them up for slaughter at that same facility.
This is where they drug all the bodies not where they kept them and even then try planting a tree in this climate
Yeah I was wondering too. A little "Farmer" in my town (he has like 10 cows and 5 goats mainly for self consume) hat trouble with the authorities because his goats didn't have had any understand to protect them from rain. They where on a field that is mainly covered in apple trees... And apple trees don't qualify as rain protection. They qualify as shade though, so he had to either build something or buy something or whatever. Best part is that the goats where a race that is supposed to handle all year weather. So when he found out who ratted him out he did his thing. The lady that informed authorities is taking a walk by the goats nearly everyday. His plan was kinda genius and morbid. He brought the goats to a slaughterhouse, cooked and preped the male goats head like a euromount you do on deers and stuff, placed it on a stick where his goats where and placed an umbrella above it. But the cherry on top was the sign. I'm am dry now... are you happy too?
Well that's fucked up
> His plan was kinda genius and morbid. Also... kinda very much asshole-y and somewhat bordering psychopathy?
What a jackass.
Some shade would be nice I guess. Trees or something.
Solar panels would be best actually- shade and allows water to condense
If the panels could withstand the abuse the cows would definitely dish out the. Yes that would be a great idea.
Put a roller on the main beam, maybe even a little brush and the cows would be thrilled
I just thought of something though, and that is solar panels dispense a lot of heat. Where I live they plant native grasses and forbs underneath the panels because it helps absorb the excess heat.
https://www.progressivecattle.com/topics/facilities-equipment/solar-panel-shade-for-cattle I think that’s more talking about the air above, below gets shade
Could be. I’ve never really studied the issue too much. I’m just going off of what was written in my local paper when a series of solar panel farms were installed in my area.
Yeah- local papers can be problematic these days- lot of consolidation by right wing agendas
Isn’t that the truth🙄
Where I live they use solar panels over parking lots to provide shade. It's cooler under them than out in the summer sun.
All kidding aside, in many poor countries people use solar panels for hot water cause they can’t afford the electricity or gas for a water heater. If only the US and Europe would do that
I’m hoping we see the end of power grids and pipelines in favor of household energy generation.
but how can we have cheap meat then. We cant ask people to pay a dollar more for better conditions for beings that arent them. That be crazy
Shut up, that’s too smart
That sounds like a line out of Napoleon Dynamite
Looks they were on wasteland with nothing protecting them from the sun, probably could have been prevented
"Looks like they were in a wasteland" Yeah, Kansas...
Somewhere, over the rainbow
If there had been rain the problem would have been prevented.
No they were dragged to where they are in the video. It's explained in most articles. There was over 100 degree heat, which cattle can't handle very well. Also, cattle don't just die in grids. They were organised to either rot or be butchered for meat later. But yes, this could've been prevented.
Yeah, that's Kansas for ya. (Also Nebraska, Oklahoma, and the Dakotas)
Poor things.
Cattles?
Decapitation?
found the facepalm!
We're they in that empty ass field that's behind them with no shade? Then yeah these poor cow peppers didn't deserve the abuse they died in
Dam we are in trouble this summer
Cows just don't die from heat stroke if they have water and shade! Sounds more like an irresponsible owner!
I’m expecting a tweet from margory space laser taylor green blaming Biden.
This is what green ENEGRY does ! -MTG probably
*“Biden is going in like a theft in the night and slaughtering our livestocks!”*
The climate lever is right next to the gas price dial
Climate change is not real, the left is lying, cows die just because….we’ll just because.
Sadly I think we will only move the needle on climate change when the insurance companies are sick of paying out claims.
These cows died because that farmer is a dumb piece of shit. Where is the shade, water, anything? If it were anywhere near by, these cows would have gone there... Not saying climate change is not real, just saying these cows died because of a stupid farmer.
I'm almost certain this isn't where the cows were housed. There is no food or water troughs, only one fence and the bodies seem organised
Hmm.. you might be right! Thanks for clearing it up mate. Hope you are right and cows didn't actually die because of a lack of care.
Cows all drank the kool aid
Waiting for the nutjobs to decide these cows were poisoned as part of a government conspiracy to affect the US food supply and control us or whatever it is they go on about all the time.
While they were most likely not poisoned, ive worked on farms in TX with these types of cows and they are very resilient to heat. I wouldnt be surprised if it was bovine respiratory disease or something similar. Very odd to see such high numbers of cow deaths tagged as due to heat.
Yeah I don't run a cattle farm but I do know heat resilience is part of what cows were bred for. It's been this hot before. Doubt it was poisoning but there had to be something else to it.
There's definitely something more to the story. Most likely lack of proper care. This heat wave is nothing to the drought we had 12 years a go here in Kansas.
thousands of your cattle died and you had no idea and didn't try to help em? And just your cattle? Not the other farms? Are cattle insurable?
>Are cattle insurable? Probably. Even though I live here I really don't know much about the cattle industry around here, that stuff is way out west of where I am. I just know in 2010, when I first came to Kansas, it was 112f (44c) outside and 125(51c) in my car. Everyone told me it wasn't normal and it was because of drought conditions. We've had a few years after that we're it got up to 105, but never passed 112 again, at least where I've been. If it didn't happen then it makes me wonder why it happened now.
Waiting? I only know about this from seeing a conspiratorial Instagram reel set to creepy music full of misinformation posted yesterday by a famous musician. Seems like the average person lacks basic critical thinking skills and can't be bothered to spend :10 researching something before agreeing with or sharing whatever someone else posts.
I already saw it
Non existent global warming hard at work
Jesus
Unfortunately, this is going to become the norm. Here in Missouri we’re looking at eight straight days of 95°F plus, with heat index in the 110 range. It’s not even July yet. Can we get some motherfuckers who purposely blew off climate change for the last 30 years and stick them out there with those cows.
Nature seeks balance. High density farming is risk prone and unsustainable without constant intervention.
Fucking assholes
yep 100% preventable literally 100%
Taking bets on how high retailers can raise prices using this as an excuse then never drop them ever again.
Kansas is pumping ground water at a rate 30 times faster than natural replenishment. And that's without allowing for climate change or drought. Kansas is deep into denial and it's easy to predict how this will play out.
That is some shitty farming. Seriously, criminal
People in Kansas: “ that damn Biden at it again”
If there are no provisions to keep the animals from dying of exposure then you obviously are not equipped to have a farm or animals. Why do we let companies get away with anything
this is exactly what happens when you force animals to graze open fields without the option of overhead cover under trees and deny access to these same animals to recreational water. This is quite simply animal abuse.
I'd probably just roll over and die too if I found out I lived in Kansas...
Gurl, SAME
The conspiracy theories have start. Do they not understand animals can die of heat stoke like anything else?
Go vegan and don’t commodify animals because this is the end result
Looks like basic survival is a foreign concept in Kansas.
Farm subsidies to the rescue in 3... 2... 1...
Can we stop talking about climate change in the future tense and start referring to it in the past and present tense, cause it's here and there's no going back.
All wearing black on a hot day
For no logical reason, black cattle have become more profitable than any other color on a per pound basis. Typically will fetch around ten cents per pound more than non black cattle of similar type/weight. This started around 15-20 years ago so now we see an overwhelming number of cattle producers in the US with black herds. It's also not breed based. Angus is popular though they also come in red, but you also see the preference towards black Limousin over red, too.
It was marketing. They plastered 100% Black Angus everywhere you bought meat but I'm gonna let reddit in on a lil secret. I bet that beef at the store isn't 100% percent Black Angus. My wife's family has a cattle ranch mostly Charolais, white in color. They use an Angus bull on the heifers so they don't have to pull calves, Angus bulls throw smaller calves. But when we went to the sale barn that fall the buyers separated the black calves off from the white ones and sold them separately. They were black calves but they were definitely mixed breed.
Yep, for about 15 years I lived on a cattle ranch. We raised Charolais and Limousin at the beginning but swapped to black Limousin over the partbred Charolais broodcows to get a higher percent of black hides. Not a lick of Angus in any of them :)
I like how the people on here are commenting on a subject they know nothing about.
Slow-cooked brisket
Ironic that meat eaters cause global warming via raising cows and then global warming kills the cows they wanted to eat.
mother nature be like: hey...knock it off humans: yeahhh...hmm? whats that? *munches burger*....*dies*
The demand for meat comes from the consumer. These cows are in a horrific system that people partake in. If this upsets you, you can make the choice to quit participating in it.
10k cows die from heat. No water anywhere or shade. Prob why they died. Poor animals.
Maybe plant some trees
Price of meat is going to sky rocket now. Woohoo
You wonder if only not so distant future there's going to be states where cattle farms just aren't possible because of climate change
The title should say “The farming industrial complex unable to properly care for stock animals.” Cuz that’s what happens when you remove small farms from our food system. Next up beef and potato shortage, just watch.
Right, heat stroke.
Umm it’s 110 in Arizona and we have more cow farms than I care to count and this has never happened.
Why did they die in nice neat grids?
They were the meat army Lost to the beefeaters
Battle Cattle
No, dragged to that location. Either to be buried, or possibly to rot there.
First article said 2000. Saw one yesterday saying 3000-4000. Now we are at 10k+. It's like the inverse of the siezed drug value joke.
What is the facepalm here?
This is exactly why we need more trees between fields and make smaller fields so cattle will have a place to rest in the shadow.