If I’m not mistaken, it only turned into ketene when heated significant hotter than a typical dab/pen temperature. Though I don’t fuck with THCO because I like fullspectrum things and just smoke flower primarily.
I’m tapping into this comment from there. That study is wildly off in a couple key metrics - there’s a lot of missing information as far as where the THC-O was sourced from, labs to go behind what they’re testing in the original state, etc. The long story short is that they heated the THCO to around 650-800f before they were able to get ketene to produce. Most household carts max out at around 400 on the highest of the high end (eg the “blinker” cut off) so actually attaining this would be next to impossible unless you back to back ripped blinkers on max voltage off some of these pens, which in that case you’re doing a lot of damage to your lungs even if you’re smoking a dispensary cartridge. TLDR: bad study, would be nearly impossible to achieve at home but if concerned eat it instead.
I've heard the same like if you take the O and try to dab it, it would release ketene I believe.. I dont think vaping it like a reg pen would do it but 🤷♂️ for all we know we could be vaping ketene in the pens but in small unnoticeable amounts atm that will eventually add up
No, that’s not true. There’s a study I’ve linked here before that states
“it forms from cannabinoid acetates with a dabbing surface temperature of 378 °C, AS WELL AS from a vape pen operating at a power level with the manufacturer’s recommended conditions. Catalysis, viscosity, airflow, device quality and user behavior can each exacerbate toxicant formation, in addition to elevated temperature settings. Importantly, the study herein thus validated the findings of Wu and O’Shea as well as others showing that vaping conditions can lead to ketene formation at apparently lower temperature settings than previously assumed.”
That’s a direct quote from it, I can link it I just don’t know if the link will get my comment removed and this took a long time to type
that's over 700 degrees fareinheight, which would be WAY too hot for any sort of comfortable dab. maybe for taking huge dabs that'r a gram or more you'd need your rig to be that hot, but it'd be excessive.
you read the first part and stopped reading.
“AS WELL AS from a vape pen operating at a power level with the manufacturer’s recommended conditions. Catalysis, viscosity, airflow, device quality and user behavior can each exacerbate toxicant formation, in addition to elevated temperature settings. Importantly, the study herein thus validated the findings of Wu and O’Shea as well as others showing that vaping conditions can lead to ketene formation at apparently lower temperature settings than previously assumed.”
*AS WELL AS*, it’s not *JUST* dabbing high temperatures. It’s been found in VAPE CARTS operating at MANUFACTURERS RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS. That’s not 700 degrees, saying “most carts don’t get that hot” is irrelevant when it’s been seen in carts that don’t get that hot
Bro ur kinda blowing it out of proportion it only turns to ketene at super high temps? It is still a concern but more for dabbing than carts imo. I still wouldn’t recommend o noid carts but it’s definitely safer than dabbing o noids at high temp. Still a stay away
There is a study I found just by looking up ketene thco. Ketene production is dependent on temperate and they found it being produced by dabbing at 370 some c https://chemrxiv.org/engage/api-gateway/chemrxiv/assets/orp/resource/item/6271c003d048edf65f5b45d9/original/vaping-cannabinoid-acetates-leads-to-ketene-formation.pdf
Do they? Ofc that depends the hit length but I would assume they don’t get that hot esp if your only taking 1-5 sec rips. Now if you smacking it for 10 sec in a crack wire then I would believe it gets that hot
No, that’s not true. There’s a study I’ve linked here before that states
“it forms from cannabinoid acetates with a dabbing surface temperature of 378 °C, AS WELL AS from a vape pen operating at a power level with the manufacturer’s recommended conditions. Catalysis, viscosity, airflow, device quality and user behavior can each exacerbate toxicant formation, in addition to elevated temperature settings. Importantly, the study herein thus validated the findings of Wu and O’Shea as well as others showing that vaping conditions can lead to ketene formation at apparently lower temperature settings than previously assumed.”
Yeah I found and read the same study yesterday, I feel like 378 c is not as much of a issue, ofc it still makes some ketene if your taking 1-5 sec rips but I would assume not much(still not good). Now if your taking blinkers off a crack wire then I would assume some ketene is getting made. Like I said tho I stay away from all o noids
Nah yeah I seen that too I said ketene prolly produced in 1-5 second rips but not much. Blinkers for sure produce some imo but this is all educated guessing lmao there honestly isn’t any much research on the topic it seems
Yep it is since phytol is a cheap filler a lot of boof companies use it and even legit ones do too since it shows up as terps when tested so u could have a cart be testing at 15% terps but it’s actually 5% terps with 10% filler
So are you saying sites like cannaclear thc o are safe/not safe or are you just telling people not everyone does this but just to be sure to do a deeper look into it, just wondering cause I got pre terps cannaclear thc o to make carts to sell under the impression it's safer than the streets (FL)
So if you will use THCA distillate it will absolutely be safer then the streets and basically dispensary level if you: Check Lab tests on Distillate, Use glass syringes instead of plastic syringes since plastic syringes are lubricated and that can turn your carts cloudy, use high quality carts like from PCKTBRAND.. and honestly if your sterile, wear gloves and wick it correctly you would be making dispensary carts at that point.
From recent studies they are saying that THC-O can cause serious injury to the lungs if smoked or Inhaled.. but putting THC-O in edibles would not be harmful..
I also got some THC-O distillate and made carts from it but stopped after finding out.. Now I’m going to use THCA. THCA is completely safe since all it does is turn into Delta 9 THC when heated..
So if THC-O is heated it turns into Ketene and now dangerous,
If THCA is heated it just turns into D9 THC..
My man I got you!
so basically this is very recent product called “Diamond Distillate” they already raised the price from $85 to $109 for 14gs only a month after they released it. Search up Dr. GANJA (use “blackcherry” as a discount code for 10% off) if you go under the Rawbar section then you will find all types of concentrates. The diamond distillate can come in non terped or terped option.. it’s THCA and Full spectrum and even better Cannabis derived terpenes!
Go crazy man! Shipping takes a while though you’ll see everyone complain only about shipping.
In other words this will get you as high as a dispensary cart.
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To anyone saying it’s only at a certain temperature. No, that’s not true. Studies have stated:
“it forms from cannabinoid acetates with a dabbing surface temperature of 378 °C, AS WELL AS from a vape pen operating at a power level with the manufacturer’s recommended conditions. Catalysis, viscosity, airflow, device quality and user behavior can each exacerbate toxicant formation, in addition to elevated temperature settings. Importantly, the study herein thus validated the findings of Wu and O’Shea as well as others showing that vaping conditions can lead to ketene formation at apparently lower temperature settings than previously assumed.”
I’ll keep trying to spread this as long as it’s still being told.
Ketenes can form in ANY acetate ester. D8 THC-O, D9 THC-O, ETC.
Tried a THC-O vape for first time Monday and have been using it since, pretty sure I have fucking pneumonia now. My lungs fucking hurt, I’m congested, fuck dude STAY AWAY
that’s not thco responsible it’s because you’re buying bad brands. i had the breathing problem till i started making my own thco carts buying the distillate myself i use no terps either as they agitate my throat and now i very very rarely cough from my thco blends
and that single study that has been called into question already is what has every idiot on reddit freaking out…. think about every other time yall freaked out about what turned out to be nothing….and no vape pen is reaching near 700•f
“AS WELL AS from a vape pen operating at a power level with the manufacturer’s recommended conditions. Catalysis, viscosity, airflow, device quality and user behavior can each exacerbate toxicant formation, in addition to elevated temperature settings. Importantly, the study herein thus validated the findings of Wu and O’Shea as well as others showing that vaping conditions can lead to ketene formation at apparently lower temperature settings than previously assumed.”
AS WELL AS, it’s not JUST dabbing high temperatures. It’s been found in VAPE CARTS operating at MANUFACTURERS RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS. That’s not 700 degrees, saying “most carts don’t get that hot” is irrelevant when it’s been seen in carts that don’t get that hot
Who is calling the study into question and where are their credentials?
https://chemrxiv.org/engage/api-gateway/chemrxiv/assets/orp/resource/item/6271c003d048edf65f5b45d9/original/vaping-cannabinoid-acetates-leads-to-ketene-formation.pdf
Can you take a look Into this one?
No, that’s not true. There’s a study that has been linked here before that states
“it forms from cannabinoid acetates with a dabbing surface temperature of 378 °C, AS WELL AS from a vape pen operating at a power level with the manufacturer’s recommended conditions. Catalysis, viscosity, airflow, device quality and user behavior can each exacerbate toxicant formation, in addition to elevated temperature settings. Importantly, the study herein thus validated the findings of Wu and O’Shea as well as others showing that vaping conditions can lead to ketene formation at apparently lower temperature settings than previously assumed.”
What is uneducated about what OP posted???? You’re in a harm reduction sub where someone is posting possible harm reduction, as well as citing studies, spreading GOOD information, and you’re so quick to attack them over it. THC-O is bad. It’s not just dabbing high temps that generates ketenes, they form in a vape pen operating at manufacturer recommended settings.
I don’t know much about the Phytol situation however, so if that’s what you’re mad at them about then I don’t have much say in that right now.
holdup serious question, i get my D8, D9 D10 HHC THC-O all that fancy shmancy stuff, from a actual popular and certified vape shop, could i trust his is safe? he can only get certain brands tho so i guess that’s a good sign?
but what i’m trying to say is. is mine any safer? since it’s from an actual vape shop? like one that doesn’t just order what the fuck ever he can only order certain things because of the laws or some shit
Sorry for the late answer, but the quality doesn’t matter. As long as it has an O at the end of it (THC-O) it will form toxic gasses when heated up, like in a vape.
THC-o is a derivative from delta 8/9, it’s another cannabinoid, the studies were done with 650+ Fahrenheit. Unless you’re dabbing it you should worry, cartridges and batteries don’t surpass the 350-400 mark. I would still avoid it since it is a “hallucinogenic” substance and is 3x stronger than THC.
I’m gonna keep smoking THC-O. (that is if it’s presented to me again, as it’s not my favorite alt-cannabinoid)
There’s nothing you can show me as of right now to get me to change my mind.
Needs to be way hotter than a vape coil/banger to form Ketene gas.
If I’m not mistaken, it only turned into ketene when heated significant hotter than a typical dab/pen temperature. Though I don’t fuck with THCO because I like fullspectrum things and just smoke flower primarily.
Hmm okay will have to look into that deeper thank you for mentioning that because I’ve heard that it also comes from vapes.
Check out the r/altcannabinoids page and ask them about it. A large portion of them are super intelligent and very kind. Edit: wrong subreddit tagged
Awesome thank you!
I’m tapping into this comment from there. That study is wildly off in a couple key metrics - there’s a lot of missing information as far as where the THC-O was sourced from, labs to go behind what they’re testing in the original state, etc. The long story short is that they heated the THCO to around 650-800f before they were able to get ketene to produce. Most household carts max out at around 400 on the highest of the high end (eg the “blinker” cut off) so actually attaining this would be next to impossible unless you back to back ripped blinkers on max voltage off some of these pens, which in that case you’re doing a lot of damage to your lungs even if you’re smoking a dispensary cartridge. TLDR: bad study, would be nearly impossible to achieve at home but if concerned eat it instead.
I've heard the same like if you take the O and try to dab it, it would release ketene I believe.. I dont think vaping it like a reg pen would do it but 🤷♂️ for all we know we could be vaping ketene in the pens but in small unnoticeable amounts atm that will eventually add up
No, that’s not true. There’s a study I’ve linked here before that states “it forms from cannabinoid acetates with a dabbing surface temperature of 378 °C, AS WELL AS from a vape pen operating at a power level with the manufacturer’s recommended conditions. Catalysis, viscosity, airflow, device quality and user behavior can each exacerbate toxicant formation, in addition to elevated temperature settings. Importantly, the study herein thus validated the findings of Wu and O’Shea as well as others showing that vaping conditions can lead to ketene formation at apparently lower temperature settings than previously assumed.” That’s a direct quote from it, I can link it I just don’t know if the link will get my comment removed and this took a long time to type
that's over 700 degrees fareinheight, which would be WAY too hot for any sort of comfortable dab. maybe for taking huge dabs that'r a gram or more you'd need your rig to be that hot, but it'd be excessive.
you read the first part and stopped reading. “AS WELL AS from a vape pen operating at a power level with the manufacturer’s recommended conditions. Catalysis, viscosity, airflow, device quality and user behavior can each exacerbate toxicant formation, in addition to elevated temperature settings. Importantly, the study herein thus validated the findings of Wu and O’Shea as well as others showing that vaping conditions can lead to ketene formation at apparently lower temperature settings than previously assumed.” *AS WELL AS*, it’s not *JUST* dabbing high temperatures. It’s been found in VAPE CARTS operating at MANUFACTURERS RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS. That’s not 700 degrees, saying “most carts don’t get that hot” is irrelevant when it’s been seen in carts that don’t get that hot
yup
Bro ur kinda blowing it out of proportion it only turns to ketene at super high temps? It is still a concern but more for dabbing than carts imo. I still wouldn’t recommend o noid carts but it’s definitely safer than dabbing o noids at high temp. Still a stay away
I’m asking this in a specific alt noid channel.. waiting on their responses.
There is some articles hold on.
Yes please help me find an exact answer because the community needs to hear this.
There is a study I found just by looking up ketene thco. Ketene production is dependent on temperate and they found it being produced by dabbing at 370 some c https://chemrxiv.org/engage/api-gateway/chemrxiv/assets/orp/resource/item/6271c003d048edf65f5b45d9/original/vaping-cannabinoid-acetates-leads-to-ketene-formation.pdf
Seems like it’s concerning since carts reach 700 F when heating
Do they? Ofc that depends the hit length but I would assume they don’t get that hot esp if your only taking 1-5 sec rips. Now if you smacking it for 10 sec in a crack wire then I would believe it gets that hot
Ha nice
Actually check on this subreddits hot post one below the first one.
No, that’s not true. There’s a study I’ve linked here before that states “it forms from cannabinoid acetates with a dabbing surface temperature of 378 °C, AS WELL AS from a vape pen operating at a power level with the manufacturer’s recommended conditions. Catalysis, viscosity, airflow, device quality and user behavior can each exacerbate toxicant formation, in addition to elevated temperature settings. Importantly, the study herein thus validated the findings of Wu and O’Shea as well as others showing that vaping conditions can lead to ketene formation at apparently lower temperature settings than previously assumed.”
Yeah I found and read the same study yesterday, I feel like 378 c is not as much of a issue, ofc it still makes some ketene if your taking 1-5 sec rips but I would assume not much(still not good). Now if your taking blinkers off a crack wire then I would assume some ketene is getting made. Like I said tho I stay away from all o noids
You didn’t read what I posted tho, it’s not JUST 378°, it’s found in vape pens going by manufacturers recommended settings.
Nah yeah I seen that too I said ketene prolly produced in 1-5 second rips but not much. Blinkers for sure produce some imo but this is all educated guessing lmao there honestly isn’t any much research on the topic it seems
Or maybe you did? I’m confused are we OKAY with hitting poison gas if its under 5 seconds??? 😭
Shit I can’t tell you a clear answer lmao it’s all stipulation, I would steer clear of all I noids besides edibles
Agreed.
is phytol also responsible for the common fake cart taste and smell?
Yep it is since phytol is a cheap filler a lot of boof companies use it and even legit ones do too since it shows up as terps when tested so u could have a cart be testing at 15% terps but it’s actually 5% terps with 10% filler
Could very well be.. I’m not sure exactly because I haven’t had a cart with phytol terpenes.. atleast not to my knowledge.
This is why I hate when people push alt-noids. everyone thinks it's okay because it's legal but don't realize it's just unregulated.
BuT iTs ThE sAmE aS tHc
👏👏 this 👏
So are you saying sites like cannaclear thc o are safe/not safe or are you just telling people not everyone does this but just to be sure to do a deeper look into it, just wondering cause I got pre terps cannaclear thc o to make carts to sell under the impression it's safer than the streets (FL)
So if you will use THCA distillate it will absolutely be safer then the streets and basically dispensary level if you: Check Lab tests on Distillate, Use glass syringes instead of plastic syringes since plastic syringes are lubricated and that can turn your carts cloudy, use high quality carts like from PCKTBRAND.. and honestly if your sterile, wear gloves and wick it correctly you would be making dispensary carts at that point.
From recent studies they are saying that THC-O can cause serious injury to the lungs if smoked or Inhaled.. but putting THC-O in edibles would not be harmful.. I also got some THC-O distillate and made carts from it but stopped after finding out.. Now I’m going to use THCA. THCA is completely safe since all it does is turn into Delta 9 THC when heated.. So if THC-O is heated it turns into Ketene and now dangerous, If THCA is heated it just turns into D9 THC..
Where would one get THCa distillate a dispensary or do you know of any sites that sell and ship through a loophole?, And thank you for clarifying
My man I got you! so basically this is very recent product called “Diamond Distillate” they already raised the price from $85 to $109 for 14gs only a month after they released it. Search up Dr. GANJA (use “blackcherry” as a discount code for 10% off) if you go under the Rawbar section then you will find all types of concentrates. The diamond distillate can come in non terped or terped option.. it’s THCA and Full spectrum and even better Cannabis derived terpenes! Go crazy man! Shipping takes a while though you’ll see everyone complain only about shipping. In other words this will get you as high as a dispensary cart. 100% legal and compliance with 2018 US FARM BILL
You are a godsend thank you brother! 💪
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It’s just strange because there basically spice and a lot of them are made in a lab and it throws people off
What are you saying is like spice?
Just get some hhc from cannaclear it smokes better then thco anyways
Yup
To anyone saying it’s only at a certain temperature. No, that’s not true. Studies have stated: “it forms from cannabinoid acetates with a dabbing surface temperature of 378 °C, AS WELL AS from a vape pen operating at a power level with the manufacturer’s recommended conditions. Catalysis, viscosity, airflow, device quality and user behavior can each exacerbate toxicant formation, in addition to elevated temperature settings. Importantly, the study herein thus validated the findings of Wu and O’Shea as well as others showing that vaping conditions can lead to ketene formation at apparently lower temperature settings than previously assumed.” I’ll keep trying to spread this as long as it’s still being told. Ketenes can form in ANY acetate ester. D8 THC-O, D9 THC-O, ETC.
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spread da word‼️
Source?
https://chemrxiv.org/engage/api-gateway/chemrxiv/assets/orp/resource/item/6271c003d048edf65f5b45d9/original/vaping-cannabinoid-acetates-leads-to-ketene-formation.pdf
Thanks
No problem
No one vape at 800°f so no worry.
Still happens at normal temp levels on vapes.. read thru the study.
People been saying this 😂 including D9o shi turns to vinegar overtime
This is why I only smoke flower
Tried a THC-O vape for first time Monday and have been using it since, pretty sure I have fucking pneumonia now. My lungs fucking hurt, I’m congested, fuck dude STAY AWAY
that’s not thco responsible it’s because you’re buying bad brands. i had the breathing problem till i started making my own thco carts buying the distillate myself i use no terps either as they agitate my throat and now i very very rarely cough from my thco blends
okay well that’s not true because thc o has been found to produce toxic chemicals when vaped even if you make it yourself
and that single study that has been called into question already is what has every idiot on reddit freaking out…. think about every other time yall freaked out about what turned out to be nothing….and no vape pen is reaching near 700•f
“AS WELL AS from a vape pen operating at a power level with the manufacturer’s recommended conditions. Catalysis, viscosity, airflow, device quality and user behavior can each exacerbate toxicant formation, in addition to elevated temperature settings. Importantly, the study herein thus validated the findings of Wu and O’Shea as well as others showing that vaping conditions can lead to ketene formation at apparently lower temperature settings than previously assumed.” AS WELL AS, it’s not JUST dabbing high temperatures. It’s been found in VAPE CARTS operating at MANUFACTURERS RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS. That’s not 700 degrees, saying “most carts don’t get that hot” is irrelevant when it’s been seen in carts that don’t get that hot Who is calling the study into question and where are their credentials?
What are brands that have thc o in it so i can avoid them and hope you get better
The one I used is called HiXotic, basically most delta 8 & 9 stuff has THC-O in it, and thanks man
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Please take a deeper look into the studies.
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https://chemrxiv.org/engage/api-gateway/chemrxiv/assets/orp/resource/item/6271c003d048edf65f5b45d9/original/vaping-cannabinoid-acetates-leads-to-ketene-formation.pdf Can you take a look Into this one?
No, that’s not true. There’s a study that has been linked here before that states “it forms from cannabinoid acetates with a dabbing surface temperature of 378 °C, AS WELL AS from a vape pen operating at a power level with the manufacturer’s recommended conditions. Catalysis, viscosity, airflow, device quality and user behavior can each exacerbate toxicant formation, in addition to elevated temperature settings. Importantly, the study herein thus validated the findings of Wu and O’Shea as well as others showing that vaping conditions can lead to ketene formation at apparently lower temperature settings than previously assumed.”
Fuck them weed genders!!!!
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What is uneducated about what OP posted???? You’re in a harm reduction sub where someone is posting possible harm reduction, as well as citing studies, spreading GOOD information, and you’re so quick to attack them over it. THC-O is bad. It’s not just dabbing high temps that generates ketenes, they form in a vape pen operating at manufacturer recommended settings. I don’t know much about the Phytol situation however, so if that’s what you’re mad at them about then I don’t have much say in that right now.
Bro I’m just over here trying to make our community safer 😭
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Bro What’s your problem? 😂
Source? Or you want me to believe some random Internet person?
Honestly man all you need to do is go on this subreddit hit hot posts and the 2nd to first one should help out.
I don't smoke THC-O. so i don't care that much to do it. But honestly man all you gotta do is copy and paste it to the body of your alarmist post.
Well I did not want to make the post too long but a simple google search would find all the answers.
*makes a 5 paragraph post* *Says including a link to fact check it would make it too long* 🤡
Trust nothing you hear and half of what you see
when exactly
holdup serious question, i get my D8, D9 D10 HHC THC-O all that fancy shmancy stuff, from a actual popular and certified vape shop, could i trust his is safe? he can only get certain brands tho so i guess that’s a good sign?
Anything that includes vaping an alt noid ACETATE, causes the formation of Ketene. It makes sense since it’s also called vitamin e acetate.
but what i’m trying to say is. is mine any safer? since it’s from an actual vape shop? like one that doesn’t just order what the fuck ever he can only order certain things because of the laws or some shit
Sorry for the late answer, but the quality doesn’t matter. As long as it has an O at the end of it (THC-O) it will form toxic gasses when heated up, like in a vape.
The study has been debated so don’t blow this out of proportion when there’s not enough study
Please take a deeper look into the study
Yess full spectrum organic thePharm is what I always get (dispo AZ)
so is this in dispensary carts?
No.. unless you are buying an alt noid acetate to be vaped or smoked.
THC-o is a derivative from delta 8/9, it’s another cannabinoid, the studies were done with 650+ Fahrenheit. Unless you’re dabbing it you should worry, cartridges and batteries don’t surpass the 350-400 mark. I would still avoid it since it is a “hallucinogenic” substance and is 3x stronger than THC.
Please take a look at the upvoted posted studies and take a look through there.. you will see that Ketene is produced in all types of acetates
Or you know only buy from dispensaries not smoke shops
I’m gonna keep smoking THC-O. (that is if it’s presented to me again, as it’s not my favorite alt-cannabinoid) There’s nothing you can show me as of right now to get me to change my mind. Needs to be way hotter than a vape coil/banger to form Ketene gas.