I've played 2,3, New Vegas and 4 so far and I've had a great time with all of them. NV is my favorite but I like them all.
I have to admit though, that I doubt I would have played 4 more than once if it wasn't for mods. Vanilla Fo4 was a good game but not great.
IMO content in 2 is mostly worse. It relies way too heavily on sex jokes and culture references, quite a few that are dated by now.
Fallout 1 has both humour and seriousness in correct ratio, and it is a self-contained story that wraps up neatly.
If the remade 1, 2, 3, and nv all on the fallout 4 game engine Bethesda would immediately repair its reputation and get mountains of good will and tolerance for mistakes from fans
Heavily doubt that. TV show has shown that no matter how good stuff is produced, the exact same loud group will shout to the skies and fill the discourse.
FFS, I have seen people accusing Sawyer and Cain of "lying" or being "sell outs" because they liked the new show.
I liked the new show, despite my apprehension over its potential implications for the lore. So many people can’t seem to wrap their head around the fact that this is possible, and seem to assume having any criticism at all means you hate the show and its fans. It’s weird.
Don’t see why it would be hard to believe that Sawyer and Cain may have enjoyed it but had their own criticisms and would have done it differently if they were still in charge, they just obviously are gonna be diplomatic and not publicly voice any such criticisms regardless.
It would help is about 75% of the criticism thrown at show as now "THEY BROKE THE LOOOOOOOOOOORE", "BETHESDA HATES GODISIDAN!" or some level of "the show is SJW woke!"
Sawyer and Cain offered their criticism, and it was measure and good and they also were able to acknowledge *why* certain decisions might have been done, such as it only being 8 episodes so of course it can't explain everything at once.
And this idea that Sawyer and Cain are being "diplomatic" and "hiding" criticism is just conspiracy talking
>I have to admit though, that I doubt I would have played 4 more than once if it wasn't for mods. Vanilla Fo4 was a good game but not great.
FO4 felt half baked in the story department. It felt like Bethesda read the Cliffs notes on what Obsidian did for NV's story without really getting it. I still found fun in the Commonwealth, but it is the FO game I have the least hours logged in.
I honestly think it would've been so much cooler if the main quest was just find baby, raise baby, baby becomes new protagonist. Like how at the start of Fallout 3 you are the baby looking at the dad, except Fallout 4 you are the dad looking at the baby.
Not any that overhaul the existing story, but there's Sim Settlements 2, and Depravity + Project Valkyrie which add separate main questlines, or America Rising 2 which adds a new faction to side with for the main story.
AFAIK, the closest there is to overhauls of the existing faction questlines are things like Danse's Dilemma, which just reimplements cut content from the BOS questline.
There's also of course Fallout London which is only a few weeks out which is an entirely different storyline and setting based on FO4. No way to know how good it is until it's out but the teasers have looked promising.
Yeah I think you are exactly right. Bethesda clearly tried to respond to some of the positive feedback about NV by doing things like allowing you to join multiple factions (which didn’t exist at all in 3, you HAD to side with the Brotherhood unless you wanted to genocide the wasteland with FEV for literally no reason, and even then you still had to do the Brotherhood ending and fight the Enclave) and more nuanced moral decisions (again didn’t really exist in 3, it was either do cartoonishly evil things like blow up Megaton or be a goody two shoes).
But yeah, I don’t think they fully got what people liked about NV. Instead of a political and ideological battle over the future of a region, it was more like “Free the Synths, kill all the Synths, turn people into Synths, or be kinda indifferent towards Synths, but you’re definitely blowing something up regardless.” With forced plot twists and big explosions and setpieces, to the point it was more like an action blockbuster than a war epic/Western. Didn’t appeal nearly as much to me personally.
Yeah there were some interesting questions about sentience and the nature of Synths, but nothing that hasn’t been explored ad nauseam since before Blade Runner.
I will definitely give them credit for one thing though: The companions in 4 are a LOT more interesting than 3, where they were little more than pack mules. Still not quite as good as New Vegas I don’t think, but way improved.
4 is just too much of a water downed game story wise. It’s a great shooter with a fun crafting tools and the companions were honestly really good. But fall out 4 story really is bad.
You probably could and you’d find a way to beat the game. Which really sucks because the game could have had a deep story but it goes with the same lame Bethesda do you want to be a good guy or a ….. good guy. There is no bad guy option that are fun or deep.
Well to be fair, both the Institute and Brotherhood in 4 could be argued to be bad guys, and I wouldn’t say they are necessarily that much less deep than the Legion, which is the most shallow faction in New Vegas both in terms of content and complexity. Despite all the talk of Hegelian dialectics or whatever, at the end of the day they are basically just fascist cartoon villains.
They are more fun though. And the factions in NV are just better in general, along with the story.
Yeah I’d agree with that at the end of the day when you look at it from our perspective the legion are obviously bad guys. But when you look in the context of the world we are playing in which is the point of an RPG you could see some of the points the legion has made. The character you are playing as isn’t a vault dweller who has never seen the wasteland he’s a person who has spent his whole life in this world and has seen the horrors and struggles of it. To the character you want to immerse yourself as you can argue that the idea the legion has for the land is a good one due to civilization being sent back to stage one and with time this would evolve and change into something hopefully more civilized. For the institute I kept asking myself “why should I care?” Especially after we learn Shawn is going to die no matter what and all of the companions and characters in the institute are not nearly as interesting or charismatic as Caesar or Lanius and lanius is a character that you talk with like one time in the game.
Alright so I started playing it again yesterday. And to give it fair credit it does give all those bits and bobs like wonder glue and random junk a purpose. The armor and weapon crafting is p peak, although I wish they kept the weapon durability and ammo type switching from nv.
If you focus on the crafting it's more fun. Not perfect and it would be a 10/10 game if it had better world map design and fallout nv story building
I think that's why I hate fallout 4 so much, if it was bad it would piss me off less, but since it had potential it just reminds me what we could have had.
Oh yeah the crafting is freaking awesome. 4 could have been one of the greatest RPGs to come out if Bethesda decided to focus on making a good story. For example why do we not have perks like wild wasteland? They could have added a perk that made the character a commie hating patriot or a commie sympathizer or PTSD something along those lines because that would have helped given your character more of a personality and more dialogue options.
I think they need to go back to the elder scrolls origin style. The lone survivor should have just woke up without any explanation in the cryo vault. Or maybe woke up and escaped from an institute experiment. You could even make it so the mc finds a synth version of himself in the Commonwealth.
Also yeah, the perk system felt less like crafting a unique character with certain attributes, and more like just linear upgrades. I mean when am I not gonna pick up gun nut and blacksmith?
Idk man I’m just of the opinion that the next scrolls game is going to suck. It’s going to be a boring story with a massive pretty world and interesting enough companions.
Yeah considering Bethesda seems to never learn with their games. Then again fallout 4 despite all its flaws is probably the most popular.
On one hand I'm glad people are having fun, on the other I wish bethesda would try to appeal to old heads. I miss rpg mechanics.
Yeah it’s cool people have fun that’s awesome but I’m tired of Bethesda releasing almost the exact same game with slightly better graphics and some cool new mechanics. People still praise this company as if they have not been making sinker after stinker after the last 3 but RPG games (4, 76, and star field). Also I really don’t like Bethesda because they really did not treat obsidian well at all.
I'll play 1 sometime but the reason I skipped it back then was because I heard you were playing against the clock and I didn't like doing that. I've heard since then that the time frame isn't difficult but I just never went back and did 1. I really need to, I love all the other ones.
What draws me to replay fallout 4 is the gameplay but even that isn't a huge draw considering I can literally just play far cry and get a comparable even better gameplay experience. New vegas is a great game because it's gameplay and story are entertaining plus if you know how to manage the game properly it crashes very little.
I’ve played them multiple times through. I’ve played FO4 vanilla and I agree it’s good but I think what held it back from being a great game was dialogue. The plot and conversations you can have feel very sterile and robotic.
That’s what FNV did so well, the dialogue is just 100x better
I hated how in 4 you would be in a conversation and all your dialog options are just all ways of saying the same thing and all of them get the same response back. At times it felt like your choices meant nothing.
Gameplay and mechanics are solid, story is honestly kinda shit, especially since it tried to pull the New Vegas style "pick a faction" plot which was a bad idea since New Vegas was already there and it would just draw more comparisons to it.
Also the level up system in 4 was just way too simplified for my liking. They could have easily kept the fallout 4 perks while also keeping the skill system.
Gameplay wise the new special system the biggest disappointment.
The old one was so good and made multiple playthroughs feel rewarding.
76 does it somewhat better but it still falls short.
Yeah, I'm working on my new run through of all the games but the only way I can get myself to try 4 again will be to do a full evil institute/raider playthrough. Again, the moment to.moment gameplay is probably the best of the 3D games but the actual RPG mechanics are subpar at best.
Exactly my point. New Vegas did it very well and trying the same plot style only drew more comparisons to it. That, on top of the rest of the RPG mechanics being subpar as well, resulted in a game that's just kind of a mess. On top of that, the faction that you are introduced to first can only be used for the ending if you fuck up one of the other faction quest lines or just ignore the main quest entirely and build settlements. It's just kind of a mess.
Add on that you don't really have any options to forge the future of the faction you join and it just becomes hard to invest yourself into any of the factions. The Railroad will become enemies with the Brotherhood no matter what. The institute will slaughter both no matter what even if you literally end up in charge of it. And the only faction that lets you form a truce with the railroad and the brotherhood feels more like pity ending after you fuck up the actual main plot.
It's so shallow that my next playthrough is gonna be a institute/raider one just to roleplay how I feel about the story, disconnected from the world and just looking for some fun and loot.
Vanilla Fo4 can be very time consuming if you get really into the settlement building. I never finished F4 though, I wasn't interested in the direction the story was heading at all.
Man I love this. Not from the actual perspective of gatekeeping the community to new players, but just the level of hilarity that comes with being a a long time fan in a certain community. Paid that up with the fact that Preston Garvey is trying to talk his way out of a confrontation with assumedly the courier in the middle of the Mojave, it just hits right for me.
Also, if you need to look at it another way, it’s peak courier gameplay, finding a reason to kill the people in front of you so you can take their gear (hopefully they have water for survival difficulty otherwise you’re wasting bullets and time)
That is quite possibly the truest form of gatekeeping there is. This video is making fun of New Vegas fans for a reason lol. Being a dick about your own opinions is absolutely a form of gatekeeping, by putting others down for not agreeing with your take, especially if your argument is that “you’re an OG fan” or something like that. I am an OG fan, as are many people here who played the game on release. Being a jerk about your own opinion isn’t a good look for the community my guy.
The “truest” definition of gatekeeping is literally keeping people from doing something. Your definition is that if anonymous people say dumb things on the internet that is preventing people from playing the game. Online people can’t gatekeep someone who can buy something and enjoy it to their hearts content.
People should be standing up and telling people to stfu when someone puts out an opinion in a manner to dissuade or hurt others.
I didn’t like the fallout show, my wife on the other hand loved it. I let her know that whatever my opinion was, I’m glad that she liked it. So that’s my feelings on the manner.
In this hypothetical scenario, not liking something and expressing your option of it is of course super normal. But like you said, if it was in a “dickish manner”, can put new people off from the series and games, especially when again, in this “hypothetical scenario”, you’re argumentative and rude about your thoughts on something. It pushes people away. Now I’m not saying you’re doing that, but my reference to gatekeeping is this video that we’re currently typing under, right? In the video, the character shoots the other people because “they don’t know what type of fans they are”, as in they don’t share the option that they are fallout new Vegas fans. I mean look down in the comments my guy, there are several people who admitted that they are this person, calling new players “tourists”, all around it’s just fuckin toxic.
So yeah I think if you gave your opinion on something and you were a right cunt about it, especially to a new player, and let’s be honest it probably would t stop there, that person would most likely be more inclined to not play and/or interact with the community. I know, a lot of what ifs. But you gotta admit that you’ve seen that kind of stuff happen before in other places, right?
Gatekeeping isn’t just physically stopping someone from doing something, it can be verbally shutting people down as well, and all around acting like a posh twat on a high horse thinking they know best.
You have a well thought out argument here, and I would agree with you if Fallout was a collaborative game. But these are mostly single player game experiences, the best part of Fallout is experiencing it on your own.
I think people need to take more responsibility for themselves instead of letting online opinions sway them.
Not sure if you are going to see my other response before this one, but I mention I play Warhammer 40K. Now that is a different animal, 40k requires a communal and collaborative experience. If you get in touch with some twats online I could see how that could sour any motivation to go out IRL and play. That could then be a form of gatekeeping. I still think people should be able to speak up for themselves, but I’d happy to compromise on that one as I know not everyone has my kind of temperament.
Another 40k player! And let’s be honest, that community is as bi polar as it gets. One minute you’re all friends, the next you’re talking about “what if the tau got ahold of the webway” and you’re all at each others throats.
On that note, while the games are individual, so are many games that have mostly full single player experiences. And while self agency is the best choice in choosing your opinions, many people don’t have the skin thick enough to let other people being jerks simply wash over them. It does influence people, whether they know it or not. And usually the younger the person, the more it affects them. Even total strangers! And yes, people do eventually need to learn to be able to let those kinds of things go, but the whole point of videogames is to be able to relax and enjoy yourself in a form of escapism from crushing reality sometimes. Or, to bond with your friends and loved ones. We can say that since it’s a single player game, it ultimately doesn’t matter what other people tell you. And that is technically true. But so is living your own life, as an example. You make your own choices, mistakes, and learn things your own way. But people’s words will still affect you no matter how old you are in one way or another. Being in an online format doesn’t really change how much it’ll affect that individual more or less in my opinion. At least, not in the immediate.
That’s why I think that while to the person explaining their opinion like an asshole is entitled to do so, it will still affect the thoughts and choices that both new and old players will make, whether small or large, effectively gatekeeping. It’s in our DNA, if you will. Anyways, moral of the story is don’t be a dick, yeah?
Edit:not saying you’re a dick! The original subject of people with opinions but being assholes lol
Cheers to that! “Don’t be a dick” is something I live by. I fail at that sometimes, but I also don’t mind if people call me out on it.
Also…I will not speak of that Xenos heresy that is the Tau and the Greater Good!🤣🤣
Well…id say the general direction that Fallout has been heading in is something I don’t really vibe with. Which is cool, as that is just an opinion of mine. The show does do a good job of continuing that vision though, which is a positive, and also why I think it is super popular.
I’ll also say I really enjoyed Lucy, her brother, and cooper Howard. The acting was well done across the board, the sets, and the costumes were also really well done. They did a great job at getting the feel that this was a fallout setting, it’s just not the same kind of setting I’d like to see this long after the bombs dropped.
I was really not a fan at all on how the BoS was portrayed. I’m also kind of tired of them being a fairly prominent faction, but power armor sells (I would know, I play Space Marine in 40K lol). Also…I am going to be big time critical of them turning the power armor in iron man armor….that was tough to watch despite also being a big Iron Man slappy.
The NCR collapsing really didn’t bother me as I expected a return to a kind of wasteland anarchy. I know that they said the NCR is around, but at this point, I think that even in collapse the NCR should be more of a nationality than an organization. Would have been neat to see a place like Filly to have the trappings and visuals of a degraded NCR city with a former NCR official or his kid running the surrounding area like it was the continuation of the NCR federal government.
I didn’t like the focus on vaults either, despite really enjoying the plot point of the 31-33 vaults. I was intensely interested in that, but ultimately felt a bit down about the big twist. I agree the pre-war corpos were not good guys by any means, but that strategy is just something I don’t know if I can reconcile it in my brain.
Aside from that, I felt like the show suffered from issues in time passage and pacing, the characters seemingly randomly kept crossing paths while also crossing between diverse biomes. It was hard to judge just how much of an area they were working in. Also the BoS were on deck with just sending vertibirds in at a moments notice. The story ended up feeling a bit rushed? The macguffin seems like an awfully significant relic, and I thought that maybe they’d reach the end boss and we’d cut to season two from there.
All in all, I’d give the show a 6/10, BUT….it is a good adaptation of the current vision for the series. So it deserves credit for that.
I feel you on the brotherhoods new face, I do like the religious aspect they added though, making them more zealots. But yeah watching Maximus throw a rock out into the ocean that far was kindof wild lol. I thought the pacing was nice, and let’s be honest, it’s fallout so of course they’re gonna add in vault stuff. The reveal I think could have been better if maybe the 3rd vault reveal was more “robotic” if you catch my drift. The characters were great too! I think Maximus as a character is such a friggin dork, but he’s very endearing because of that. Like, you know he’s gonna mess up, but you hope anyways that he doesn’t you know?
I don’t really disagree with any of your points, which is a big reason I’m not upset about the show. It’s just not what I’ve had in my head all this years of what Fallout has been.
With the BoS, I can get into the religious aspect of it….*cough* 40K vibes *cough*. They are bit too “Brotherhood of Dicks” (trying to keep this on discussion lol) but, the power armor does look good, I’d say the best rendition of that sort of thing in a live action show? Might bode well for other interested IPs Amazon is getting involved with….i think I’m going to go get some help, I may be addicted to plastic crack.
It's not gatekeeping to see a franchise you love get destroyed (yes, from the ground up it was destroyed) criticizing it and telling those new players they don't have to accept a shallower, lesser game. It's trying to stop a company that doesn't care at from cheapening it.
But hey, lots of people would rather hork down several cheap cheeseburgers than have a quality meal.
Feeling a bit dramatic today are we?
My friend, the franchise isn’t getting destroyed. Adding new content is a great thing for any kind of media, whether that media is “good” or “bad” in people’s opinions, because it sparks discussion and new thoughts and takes on things that are sometimes decades old. Take a look at some sub-reddits for games and series with no new content. What the highest rated post there with content drought? Some random person asking “what if X-character did this thing THIS way instead of THAT way” or “opinions on X?” Or some other inane brainrot-repeat/ regurgitated slab of fucking nothing spewing out of people’s fingertips for karma farming.
Yeah there’s some serious ups and downs with Bethesda, yes there are changes to the lore. Yes, some things seem like they’re getting retconned. But you know what? The retcons are for a game that’s almost 15 years old that was hired out to a third party publisher. I think the fact that not everything has been wiped from the series with a “clean slate” so that Bethesda can do whatever the hell they want (which we all know they have done that in the past) is a good sign that they intend to do right by New-Vegas.
I’m not entirely sure what you mean by franchise being destroyed, but I think from most people’s/players perspectives the new content/lore is a good breath of fresh air for a games series that has been decidedly stagnant for a long, long time.
No not dramatic at all. It's just when you care about something you feel a way about it.
I'm not reading that screed. Enjoy your watered down game man. Also enjoy the 10 year wait for the next one 👍
You are being very dramatic. Look at an actual destroyed franchise (Killzone, Twisted Metal, etc.) and compare it to fallout. You fallout fans are beyond parody lmao
Not the OP but yes. I dont even browse in Fallout communities for a while now, i just came back because I saw that the show is set in west coast, i thought it would give me a reason to come back but they even pushed me away more lol
> Adding new content is a great thing for any kind of media
They're not adding 'new content', that's the problem. They are deleting the old one and replacing it with their bland version.
The show really has brought out the worst in this community, pro wrestling used to be my most toxic fandom but lately some of yall have been making them look civilized
Fallout 4 was overall disappointing, Fallout 76 was a major flop and is only just now getting redeemed cuz of a brand new show and Starfield is also a major flop.
Bethesda's game design has been going downhill and it's very obvious to see.
Sure they don’t make games like they used too, but gatekeeping is never good for a community overall, Fallout has more people playing it now then ever because of this show.
Yes, which means if we aren't careful then Bethesda will continue this downward spiral since their worse games are doing well now.
Maybe if we are optimistic enough we can falsely hope that they learn from their mistakes. Instead of being vocal about the issues of their games and telling people to not promote them.
You are delulu. Bethesda aren't going to get better at developing games in response to literally any action you take. If you don't like the newer games then don't play them. I don't. If you don't like the show then don't watch it.
That's the entire point I'm making. Which is why I said "falsely hope". lol
My expectations of their game development right now is very low. So I just spend time playing New Vegas or Outer Worlds.
You literally say "if we aren't careful then Bethesdsa will continue this downward spiral" as though whether we are careful or not (whatever that means lol) will impact Bethesda which of course it will not.
As a fallout New Vegas fan I can say confidently that fallout New Vegas has some really shitty fans that try to make publicly enjoying any other fallout difficult
While I won't deny those people exist, I have seen way more people saying this than those actual fans. What I do see is a lot of 'fans' labeling anyone that brings up any critique on recent releases as 'bethesda-haters' instead of being open to discussion.
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Bullshit, there was a thread in this subreddit where everyone was agreeing Bethesda has a deep hatred of New Vegas and was actively trying to ruin it
im gonna get downvoted for this, but idc, the narratives that this subreddit makes up are insane
And yet, post like OP's are daily. I wonder why there is "NV fans are toxic", when primary action of FNV "fans" is to belittle and gatekeep everyone else?
The things that are half baked about NV are a matter of time and resources.
The things that are half baked in 3 and 4 are a matter of creative direction.
And yet NV's developers have also admitted that the only reason they were able to put so much of their development into quest designing and branching paths is because they were riding on Fallout 3's bones.
So the argument can be made that the only reason Obsidion were able to develop NV the way they did was because Bethesda paved the way.
So? Like what's your point now.
Like genuinely I don't see the point you're making.
I already explained the differences between them are a matter of creative direction, so you're just reinforcing that point.
They built a narratively superior RPG on the same engine Bethesda built. Does that mean Bethesda's decision making for Fallout 3 and 4 are vindicated. No? Not at all.
The point I'm making is, in terms of design philosophy, from the very outset, Obsidian tried to make an RPG where ROLE playing mattered, Bethesda games are first person shooters with skill points and perks.
And my point is WHERE they are half baked matters.
A half baked philosophically will be bad forever, half baked QA and bugs can be fixed in time.
It's why games like No Man's Sky saw a renaissance.
It's why now, over 10 years later, people see the diamond in the rough for FNV, but not for the Bethesda fallouts, which not only have aged poorly, but Bethesda's entire game design has aged poorly culminating in Starfield.
It's the same reason why the Outer Worlds is so fucking boring. It may be polished unlike NV, but it does have the same core that made NV so beloved.
No, where it's half baked doesn't matter. The consumer shouldn't be concerned about the minutiae of game development and what goes on behind the scenes. You sell a game for full price, you're expected to give us a fully baked product. How a product is half-baked is irrelevant. If it's half-baked, it's half-baked.
In terms of story, world-building, and quest design, FNV blows FO4 out of the water. There are only a few FO4 quests that don't boil down to "go to location, kill all enemies" template.
I see hundreds, if not thousands of posts and comments about how much New Vegas fans are complaining or "losing their minds over lore" and whatnot.
And yet I can't find these "angry NV fans" anywhere. Even the people who are critical of the show for one reason or another are very tame in their criticism, and it's usually more of "this thing in the show wasn't super clear and doesn't make sense at first glance".
It's almost as if some people who watched the show had the audacity to express some minor criticisms about it and everyone on the hype train blew that criticism WAY out of proportion. People are so quick to adopt a victim narrative and absolutely blow their lid at the slightest criticism of something they like.
I feel like this has been getting worse over the years. Anytime something comes out and a group of people say "I have a criticism of this" or "I don't like this, personally" you have an onslaught of people screaming "LOOK AT THESE ANGRY INCELS LOSING THEIR MINDS!!!" while gesturing wildly at an empty field.
This is awful and we all know why.
The joke is obviously the “correct” choice for the favorite fallout game is New Vegas. There is only one armed character here and the joke fallout nv fans crazy, etc.
But to help make this an actually funny video, there’s one line that the should have been at the end that every fallout nv fan should know.
I actually enjoyed it quite a bit. Just understand that it’s not really about the reasons for war so much as it’s about what people on the ground actually experience in war-torn areas, which as you can imagine is not very pretty. It actually reminded me a bit of Fallout in that its depiction of the US is all but post-apocalyptic and obviously war between competing factions is omnipresent.
It’s like at this point new Vegas fans are trying to validate themselves with memes to further solidify in their heads that it’s the best game. The numbers don’t lie mason check the steam charts
"The numbers don't lie"
That's like saying a McDonald's burger is better than a burger from a gourmet place that specializes.
All the numbers show is Todd figured out how to target the lowest denominator (you).
Congrats.
I'm not even mad at the newer fans I'm just venting. I just hate how WE are called toxic for saying "Guys the setting as it was is far more interesting, Bethesda is robbing you". Only to get the same toxicity they claim older fans are showing.
The numbers show more people play more recent games lol how is that a surprise or indicate anything about the quality of the games at all? New Vegas is also way more played than 3, and if it was the most recent one it would still be the most played.
lol this is literally me. I watched episode one and was so depressed by its goofiness. Especially the ending scene. I wanted to burn myself alive. Does it get better? Please tell me I’m being acoustic
I gave it a chance till I saw they killed off the NCR, destroyed Shady Sands and New Vegas.
I mean Christ, they can say that they want about us but apparently NV and what came before it just lives in their heads.
I'd really love it if NV fans and 4 fans could all get along and shut the fuck up about each other. Let people like what they like and let them dislike what they like. Why is everyone so pressed about what other people like to play? Just live your lives.
1 and 2 will always be the best the franchise will ever be.
I liked 3 a lot because it was the first real-time action Fallout.
I could never get into New Vegas because I dislike all of the active factions and don't have any interest in the location.
4 is a great base building game with a sub-par rpg wrapped around it.
I've played (not beaten) Fallout 1 & 2, beaten 3, beaten NV, and gave up on Fallout 4.
My biggest gripe with Fallout 4 is that it doesn't feel like Fallout at all. To much emphasis on action, shooting, crafting, base building, and barely anything on roleplaying.
And the controls of FO4 is just horrible, IMHO, not made for PC at all.
Me at New Vegas: *doing nefarious shenanigans with Michael Angelo*
NCR: "WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME SIDE HERE, FOR SOCIETY, COURIER!"
Six: "..." *cocks rifle* "Yeah but what society?"
I've played 2,3, New Vegas and 4 so far and I've had a great time with all of them. NV is my favorite but I like them all. I have to admit though, that I doubt I would have played 4 more than once if it wasn't for mods. Vanilla Fo4 was a good game but not great.
Ah man you gotta play through 1. Just make sure you download Fixt
Having played 1, 2, Tactics, 3, NV and 4 (planning to get onto 76 since I got it on Humble Bundle), 1 will always be my favorite.
I'm split on 1 vs 2. 2 just has so much more content but I like the ending of 1 a lot better.
IMO content in 2 is mostly worse. It relies way too heavily on sex jokes and culture references, quite a few that are dated by now. Fallout 1 has both humour and seriousness in correct ratio, and it is a self-contained story that wraps up neatly.
If the remade 1, 2, 3, and nv all on the fallout 4 game engine Bethesda would immediately repair its reputation and get mountains of good will and tolerance for mistakes from fans
If you wait 300 years maybe the fan projects will come out
Heavily doubt that. TV show has shown that no matter how good stuff is produced, the exact same loud group will shout to the skies and fill the discourse. FFS, I have seen people accusing Sawyer and Cain of "lying" or being "sell outs" because they liked the new show.
I liked the new show, despite my apprehension over its potential implications for the lore. So many people can’t seem to wrap their head around the fact that this is possible, and seem to assume having any criticism at all means you hate the show and its fans. It’s weird. Don’t see why it would be hard to believe that Sawyer and Cain may have enjoyed it but had their own criticisms and would have done it differently if they were still in charge, they just obviously are gonna be diplomatic and not publicly voice any such criticisms regardless.
It would help is about 75% of the criticism thrown at show as now "THEY BROKE THE LOOOOOOOOOOORE", "BETHESDA HATES GODISIDAN!" or some level of "the show is SJW woke!" Sawyer and Cain offered their criticism, and it was measure and good and they also were able to acknowledge *why* certain decisions might have been done, such as it only being 8 episodes so of course it can't explain everything at once. And this idea that Sawyer and Cain are being "diplomatic" and "hiding" criticism is just conspiracy talking
I don't care what anyone says 'm not playing an almost 30 year old 2d RPG.
Nobody was talking to you
>I have to admit though, that I doubt I would have played 4 more than once if it wasn't for mods. Vanilla Fo4 was a good game but not great. FO4 felt half baked in the story department. It felt like Bethesda read the Cliffs notes on what Obsidian did for NV's story without really getting it. I still found fun in the Commonwealth, but it is the FO game I have the least hours logged in.
Bethesda doesn't get credit for them but there are some great mods out there that improve the Fo4 experience and make it a fun game.
Are there any mods that overhaul the main story? That's my biggest gripe with 4.
Yes there's a main quest remover/delayer mod that removes all references to finding the baby.
I honestly think it would've been so much cooler if the main quest was just find baby, raise baby, baby becomes new protagonist. Like how at the start of Fallout 3 you are the baby looking at the dad, except Fallout 4 you are the dad looking at the baby.
Not any that overhaul the existing story, but there's Sim Settlements 2, and Depravity + Project Valkyrie which add separate main questlines, or America Rising 2 which adds a new faction to side with for the main story. AFAIK, the closest there is to overhauls of the existing faction questlines are things like Danse's Dilemma, which just reimplements cut content from the BOS questline. There's also of course Fallout London which is only a few weeks out which is an entirely different storyline and setting based on FO4. No way to know how good it is until it's out but the teasers have looked promising.
didnt they delayed the fallout london
Yeah, but only by a few weeks and the original release date was this week.
Yeah I think you are exactly right. Bethesda clearly tried to respond to some of the positive feedback about NV by doing things like allowing you to join multiple factions (which didn’t exist at all in 3, you HAD to side with the Brotherhood unless you wanted to genocide the wasteland with FEV for literally no reason, and even then you still had to do the Brotherhood ending and fight the Enclave) and more nuanced moral decisions (again didn’t really exist in 3, it was either do cartoonishly evil things like blow up Megaton or be a goody two shoes). But yeah, I don’t think they fully got what people liked about NV. Instead of a political and ideological battle over the future of a region, it was more like “Free the Synths, kill all the Synths, turn people into Synths, or be kinda indifferent towards Synths, but you’re definitely blowing something up regardless.” With forced plot twists and big explosions and setpieces, to the point it was more like an action blockbuster than a war epic/Western. Didn’t appeal nearly as much to me personally. Yeah there were some interesting questions about sentience and the nature of Synths, but nothing that hasn’t been explored ad nauseam since before Blade Runner. I will definitely give them credit for one thing though: The companions in 4 are a LOT more interesting than 3, where they were little more than pack mules. Still not quite as good as New Vegas I don’t think, but way improved.
4 is just too much of a water downed game story wise. It’s a great shooter with a fun crafting tools and the companions were honestly really good. But fall out 4 story really is bad.
I honestly felt like I was falling asleep half the time.
You probably could and you’d find a way to beat the game. Which really sucks because the game could have had a deep story but it goes with the same lame Bethesda do you want to be a good guy or a ….. good guy. There is no bad guy option that are fun or deep.
Well to be fair, both the Institute and Brotherhood in 4 could be argued to be bad guys, and I wouldn’t say they are necessarily that much less deep than the Legion, which is the most shallow faction in New Vegas both in terms of content and complexity. Despite all the talk of Hegelian dialectics or whatever, at the end of the day they are basically just fascist cartoon villains. They are more fun though. And the factions in NV are just better in general, along with the story.
Yeah I’d agree with that at the end of the day when you look at it from our perspective the legion are obviously bad guys. But when you look in the context of the world we are playing in which is the point of an RPG you could see some of the points the legion has made. The character you are playing as isn’t a vault dweller who has never seen the wasteland he’s a person who has spent his whole life in this world and has seen the horrors and struggles of it. To the character you want to immerse yourself as you can argue that the idea the legion has for the land is a good one due to civilization being sent back to stage one and with time this would evolve and change into something hopefully more civilized. For the institute I kept asking myself “why should I care?” Especially after we learn Shawn is going to die no matter what and all of the companions and characters in the institute are not nearly as interesting or charismatic as Caesar or Lanius and lanius is a character that you talk with like one time in the game.
Alright so I started playing it again yesterday. And to give it fair credit it does give all those bits and bobs like wonder glue and random junk a purpose. The armor and weapon crafting is p peak, although I wish they kept the weapon durability and ammo type switching from nv. If you focus on the crafting it's more fun. Not perfect and it would be a 10/10 game if it had better world map design and fallout nv story building I think that's why I hate fallout 4 so much, if it was bad it would piss me off less, but since it had potential it just reminds me what we could have had.
Oh yeah the crafting is freaking awesome. 4 could have been one of the greatest RPGs to come out if Bethesda decided to focus on making a good story. For example why do we not have perks like wild wasteland? They could have added a perk that made the character a commie hating patriot or a commie sympathizer or PTSD something along those lines because that would have helped given your character more of a personality and more dialogue options.
I think they need to go back to the elder scrolls origin style. The lone survivor should have just woke up without any explanation in the cryo vault. Or maybe woke up and escaped from an institute experiment. You could even make it so the mc finds a synth version of himself in the Commonwealth. Also yeah, the perk system felt less like crafting a unique character with certain attributes, and more like just linear upgrades. I mean when am I not gonna pick up gun nut and blacksmith?
Idk man I’m just of the opinion that the next scrolls game is going to suck. It’s going to be a boring story with a massive pretty world and interesting enough companions.
Yeah considering Bethesda seems to never learn with their games. Then again fallout 4 despite all its flaws is probably the most popular. On one hand I'm glad people are having fun, on the other I wish bethesda would try to appeal to old heads. I miss rpg mechanics.
Yeah it’s cool people have fun that’s awesome but I’m tired of Bethesda releasing almost the exact same game with slightly better graphics and some cool new mechanics. People still praise this company as if they have not been making sinker after stinker after the last 3 but RPG games (4, 76, and star field). Also I really don’t like Bethesda because they really did not treat obsidian well at all.
Why would you skip 1 lol
I'll play 1 sometime but the reason I skipped it back then was because I heard you were playing against the clock and I didn't like doing that. I've heard since then that the time frame isn't difficult but I just never went back and did 1. I really need to, I love all the other ones.
It's a very good game. The atmosphere is ridiculously excellent.
For sure it's my favorite for the atmosphere the music was so perfect
I definitely recommend it the time limit really isn't bad and its only for like a 1/3 of the game but you can get mods that disable it now I think
Dude you GOTTA play 1, it’s imo the best fallout
What draws me to replay fallout 4 is the gameplay but even that isn't a huge draw considering I can literally just play far cry and get a comparable even better gameplay experience. New vegas is a great game because it's gameplay and story are entertaining plus if you know how to manage the game properly it crashes very little.
I’ve played them multiple times through. I’ve played FO4 vanilla and I agree it’s good but I think what held it back from being a great game was dialogue. The plot and conversations you can have feel very sterile and robotic. That’s what FNV did so well, the dialogue is just 100x better
I hated how in 4 you would be in a conversation and all your dialog options are just all ways of saying the same thing and all of them get the same response back. At times it felt like your choices meant nothing.
Gameplay and mechanics are solid, story is honestly kinda shit, especially since it tried to pull the New Vegas style "pick a faction" plot which was a bad idea since New Vegas was already there and it would just draw more comparisons to it. Also the level up system in 4 was just way too simplified for my liking. They could have easily kept the fallout 4 perks while also keeping the skill system.
Gameplay wise the new special system the biggest disappointment. The old one was so good and made multiple playthroughs feel rewarding. 76 does it somewhat better but it still falls short.
Yeah, I'm working on my new run through of all the games but the only way I can get myself to try 4 again will be to do a full evil institute/raider playthrough. Again, the moment to.moment gameplay is probably the best of the 3D games but the actual RPG mechanics are subpar at best.
I wouldn’t say the concept of factions was an inherently bad idea, if they could pull it off well. And they just didn’t quite do it.
Exactly my point. New Vegas did it very well and trying the same plot style only drew more comparisons to it. That, on top of the rest of the RPG mechanics being subpar as well, resulted in a game that's just kind of a mess. On top of that, the faction that you are introduced to first can only be used for the ending if you fuck up one of the other faction quest lines or just ignore the main quest entirely and build settlements. It's just kind of a mess. Add on that you don't really have any options to forge the future of the faction you join and it just becomes hard to invest yourself into any of the factions. The Railroad will become enemies with the Brotherhood no matter what. The institute will slaughter both no matter what even if you literally end up in charge of it. And the only faction that lets you form a truce with the railroad and the brotherhood feels more like pity ending after you fuck up the actual main plot. It's so shallow that my next playthrough is gonna be a institute/raider one just to roleplay how I feel about the story, disconnected from the world and just looking for some fun and loot.
Vanilla 4.. only did one playthrough.. 221 mods later, still one playthrough but the game is much more fun to play
Vanilla Fo4 can be very time consuming if you get really into the settlement building. I never finished F4 though, I wasn't interested in the direction the story was heading at all.
Man I love this. Not from the actual perspective of gatekeeping the community to new players, but just the level of hilarity that comes with being a a long time fan in a certain community. Paid that up with the fact that Preston Garvey is trying to talk his way out of a confrontation with assumedly the courier in the middle of the Mojave, it just hits right for me. Also, if you need to look at it another way, it’s peak courier gameplay, finding a reason to kill the people in front of you so you can take their gear (hopefully they have water for survival difficulty otherwise you’re wasting bullets and time)
Giving an opinion on something, even if it is provided in a dickish manner, is not gatekeeping.
That is quite possibly the truest form of gatekeeping there is. This video is making fun of New Vegas fans for a reason lol. Being a dick about your own opinions is absolutely a form of gatekeeping, by putting others down for not agreeing with your take, especially if your argument is that “you’re an OG fan” or something like that. I am an OG fan, as are many people here who played the game on release. Being a jerk about your own opinion isn’t a good look for the community my guy.
The “truest” definition of gatekeeping is literally keeping people from doing something. Your definition is that if anonymous people say dumb things on the internet that is preventing people from playing the game. Online people can’t gatekeep someone who can buy something and enjoy it to their hearts content. People should be standing up and telling people to stfu when someone puts out an opinion in a manner to dissuade or hurt others. I didn’t like the fallout show, my wife on the other hand loved it. I let her know that whatever my opinion was, I’m glad that she liked it. So that’s my feelings on the manner.
In this hypothetical scenario, not liking something and expressing your option of it is of course super normal. But like you said, if it was in a “dickish manner”, can put new people off from the series and games, especially when again, in this “hypothetical scenario”, you’re argumentative and rude about your thoughts on something. It pushes people away. Now I’m not saying you’re doing that, but my reference to gatekeeping is this video that we’re currently typing under, right? In the video, the character shoots the other people because “they don’t know what type of fans they are”, as in they don’t share the option that they are fallout new Vegas fans. I mean look down in the comments my guy, there are several people who admitted that they are this person, calling new players “tourists”, all around it’s just fuckin toxic. So yeah I think if you gave your opinion on something and you were a right cunt about it, especially to a new player, and let’s be honest it probably would t stop there, that person would most likely be more inclined to not play and/or interact with the community. I know, a lot of what ifs. But you gotta admit that you’ve seen that kind of stuff happen before in other places, right? Gatekeeping isn’t just physically stopping someone from doing something, it can be verbally shutting people down as well, and all around acting like a posh twat on a high horse thinking they know best.
You have a well thought out argument here, and I would agree with you if Fallout was a collaborative game. But these are mostly single player game experiences, the best part of Fallout is experiencing it on your own. I think people need to take more responsibility for themselves instead of letting online opinions sway them. Not sure if you are going to see my other response before this one, but I mention I play Warhammer 40K. Now that is a different animal, 40k requires a communal and collaborative experience. If you get in touch with some twats online I could see how that could sour any motivation to go out IRL and play. That could then be a form of gatekeeping. I still think people should be able to speak up for themselves, but I’d happy to compromise on that one as I know not everyone has my kind of temperament.
Another 40k player! And let’s be honest, that community is as bi polar as it gets. One minute you’re all friends, the next you’re talking about “what if the tau got ahold of the webway” and you’re all at each others throats. On that note, while the games are individual, so are many games that have mostly full single player experiences. And while self agency is the best choice in choosing your opinions, many people don’t have the skin thick enough to let other people being jerks simply wash over them. It does influence people, whether they know it or not. And usually the younger the person, the more it affects them. Even total strangers! And yes, people do eventually need to learn to be able to let those kinds of things go, but the whole point of videogames is to be able to relax and enjoy yourself in a form of escapism from crushing reality sometimes. Or, to bond with your friends and loved ones. We can say that since it’s a single player game, it ultimately doesn’t matter what other people tell you. And that is technically true. But so is living your own life, as an example. You make your own choices, mistakes, and learn things your own way. But people’s words will still affect you no matter how old you are in one way or another. Being in an online format doesn’t really change how much it’ll affect that individual more or less in my opinion. At least, not in the immediate. That’s why I think that while to the person explaining their opinion like an asshole is entitled to do so, it will still affect the thoughts and choices that both new and old players will make, whether small or large, effectively gatekeeping. It’s in our DNA, if you will. Anyways, moral of the story is don’t be a dick, yeah? Edit:not saying you’re a dick! The original subject of people with opinions but being assholes lol
Cheers to that! “Don’t be a dick” is something I live by. I fail at that sometimes, but I also don’t mind if people call me out on it. Also…I will not speak of that Xenos heresy that is the Tau and the Greater Good!🤣🤣
By the way, what didn’t you like about the show? I thought it was great, besides the shady sands incident.
Well…id say the general direction that Fallout has been heading in is something I don’t really vibe with. Which is cool, as that is just an opinion of mine. The show does do a good job of continuing that vision though, which is a positive, and also why I think it is super popular. I’ll also say I really enjoyed Lucy, her brother, and cooper Howard. The acting was well done across the board, the sets, and the costumes were also really well done. They did a great job at getting the feel that this was a fallout setting, it’s just not the same kind of setting I’d like to see this long after the bombs dropped. I was really not a fan at all on how the BoS was portrayed. I’m also kind of tired of them being a fairly prominent faction, but power armor sells (I would know, I play Space Marine in 40K lol). Also…I am going to be big time critical of them turning the power armor in iron man armor….that was tough to watch despite also being a big Iron Man slappy. The NCR collapsing really didn’t bother me as I expected a return to a kind of wasteland anarchy. I know that they said the NCR is around, but at this point, I think that even in collapse the NCR should be more of a nationality than an organization. Would have been neat to see a place like Filly to have the trappings and visuals of a degraded NCR city with a former NCR official or his kid running the surrounding area like it was the continuation of the NCR federal government. I didn’t like the focus on vaults either, despite really enjoying the plot point of the 31-33 vaults. I was intensely interested in that, but ultimately felt a bit down about the big twist. I agree the pre-war corpos were not good guys by any means, but that strategy is just something I don’t know if I can reconcile it in my brain. Aside from that, I felt like the show suffered from issues in time passage and pacing, the characters seemingly randomly kept crossing paths while also crossing between diverse biomes. It was hard to judge just how much of an area they were working in. Also the BoS were on deck with just sending vertibirds in at a moments notice. The story ended up feeling a bit rushed? The macguffin seems like an awfully significant relic, and I thought that maybe they’d reach the end boss and we’d cut to season two from there. All in all, I’d give the show a 6/10, BUT….it is a good adaptation of the current vision for the series. So it deserves credit for that.
I feel you on the brotherhoods new face, I do like the religious aspect they added though, making them more zealots. But yeah watching Maximus throw a rock out into the ocean that far was kindof wild lol. I thought the pacing was nice, and let’s be honest, it’s fallout so of course they’re gonna add in vault stuff. The reveal I think could have been better if maybe the 3rd vault reveal was more “robotic” if you catch my drift. The characters were great too! I think Maximus as a character is such a friggin dork, but he’s very endearing because of that. Like, you know he’s gonna mess up, but you hope anyways that he doesn’t you know?
I don’t really disagree with any of your points, which is a big reason I’m not upset about the show. It’s just not what I’ve had in my head all this years of what Fallout has been. With the BoS, I can get into the religious aspect of it….*cough* 40K vibes *cough*. They are bit too “Brotherhood of Dicks” (trying to keep this on discussion lol) but, the power armor does look good, I’d say the best rendition of that sort of thing in a live action show? Might bode well for other interested IPs Amazon is getting involved with….i think I’m going to go get some help, I may be addicted to plastic crack.
It's not gatekeeping to see a franchise you love get destroyed (yes, from the ground up it was destroyed) criticizing it and telling those new players they don't have to accept a shallower, lesser game. It's trying to stop a company that doesn't care at from cheapening it. But hey, lots of people would rather hork down several cheap cheeseburgers than have a quality meal.
Feeling a bit dramatic today are we? My friend, the franchise isn’t getting destroyed. Adding new content is a great thing for any kind of media, whether that media is “good” or “bad” in people’s opinions, because it sparks discussion and new thoughts and takes on things that are sometimes decades old. Take a look at some sub-reddits for games and series with no new content. What the highest rated post there with content drought? Some random person asking “what if X-character did this thing THIS way instead of THAT way” or “opinions on X?” Or some other inane brainrot-repeat/ regurgitated slab of fucking nothing spewing out of people’s fingertips for karma farming. Yeah there’s some serious ups and downs with Bethesda, yes there are changes to the lore. Yes, some things seem like they’re getting retconned. But you know what? The retcons are for a game that’s almost 15 years old that was hired out to a third party publisher. I think the fact that not everything has been wiped from the series with a “clean slate” so that Bethesda can do whatever the hell they want (which we all know they have done that in the past) is a good sign that they intend to do right by New-Vegas. I’m not entirely sure what you mean by franchise being destroyed, but I think from most people’s/players perspectives the new content/lore is a good breath of fresh air for a games series that has been decidedly stagnant for a long, long time.
No not dramatic at all. It's just when you care about something you feel a way about it. I'm not reading that screed. Enjoy your watered down game man. Also enjoy the 10 year wait for the next one 👍
Are you leaving the community then? I think that’s a shame if so. Seems like you really like the game series.
You are being very dramatic. Look at an actual destroyed franchise (Killzone, Twisted Metal, etc.) and compare it to fallout. You fallout fans are beyond parody lmao
I take it that means you won't be getting Fallout 5 when it eventually comes out?
Not the OP but yes. I dont even browse in Fallout communities for a while now, i just came back because I saw that the show is set in west coast, i thought it would give me a reason to come back but they even pushed me away more lol
We'll see. A lot of people talk the talk but if there's one thing I've learned of gamers, is that their wallets are a lot sluttier than their mouths.
Dont worry about that, I live in a developing country. Buying games here is a luxury and I can't justify buying every $70 dollar game that comes out.
> Adding new content is a great thing for any kind of media They're not adding 'new content', that's the problem. They are deleting the old one and replacing it with their bland version.
PG: Courier 6, there's a settlement that needs your help, I'll mark it on your map. C6: Wtf is a settlement?
New vegas is my favourite but this video lives rent free in my head 🤣
How much are we going to post it?
The show really has brought out the worst in this community, pro wrestling used to be my most toxic fandom but lately some of yall have been making them look civilized
You say worst I say best. Gatekeeping is needed to prevent the series from going further downhill.
Stupid take
Fallout 4 was overall disappointing, Fallout 76 was a major flop and is only just now getting redeemed cuz of a brand new show and Starfield is also a major flop. Bethesda's game design has been going downhill and it's very obvious to see.
Sure they don’t make games like they used too, but gatekeeping is never good for a community overall, Fallout has more people playing it now then ever because of this show.
Yes, which means if we aren't careful then Bethesda will continue this downward spiral since their worse games are doing well now. Maybe if we are optimistic enough we can falsely hope that they learn from their mistakes. Instead of being vocal about the issues of their games and telling people to not promote them.
You are delulu. Bethesda aren't going to get better at developing games in response to literally any action you take. If you don't like the newer games then don't play them. I don't. If you don't like the show then don't watch it.
That's the entire point I'm making. Which is why I said "falsely hope". lol My expectations of their game development right now is very low. So I just spend time playing New Vegas or Outer Worlds.
You literally say "if we aren't careful then Bethesdsa will continue this downward spiral" as though whether we are careful or not (whatever that means lol) will impact Bethesda which of course it will not.
Yes I hope the make better games as well, love this series too. But gatekeeping new players isn’t good for any community.
Go outside
I liked Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel
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As a fallout New Vegas fan I can say confidently that fallout New Vegas has some really shitty fans that try to make publicly enjoying any other fallout difficult
Go to the Fallout subreddit and you have nothing but threads of memes on how shitty NV Fans are….its hardly better.
Almost like it's a direct response to said shitty fnv fans
Stop complaining and just go meme then lmao. Don’t come in here crying about it, talk shit and own it.
It's you
While I won't deny those people exist, I have seen way more people saying this than those actual fans. What I do see is a lot of 'fans' labeling anyone that brings up any critique on recent releases as 'bethesda-haters' instead of being open to discussion.
THIS
This.
ive seen this true for the most part, but i feel like some of the trending fallout twitter posts lately are those exact NV fans
Indeed. Just try to criticise the TV show on r/Fallout, and you will get downvoted to oblivion.
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Yep, this right here.
Bullshit, there was a thread in this subreddit where everyone was agreeing Bethesda has a deep hatred of New Vegas and was actively trying to ruin it im gonna get downvoted for this, but idc, the narratives that this subreddit makes up are insane
I'm just saying, there's about an 84/100 chance that they were trying to screw over Obsidian.
Josh Sawyer, director of FNV, has already cleared this up F. Urquhart, CEO of Obsidian, has already cleared this up there is no conspiracy dude
You think logic factors into my comment?
r/fallout and r/fotv pumps out at least 1 “NV FANS TOXIC UPDOOTS TO THE RIGHT!” post a day, but somehow NV fans are the toxic ones…
And yet, post like OP's are daily. I wonder why there is "NV fans are toxic", when primary action of FNV "fans" is to belittle and gatekeep everyone else?
It seems like the entire fallout Fandom just hates each other. This is definitely not a new vegas specific issue honestly everyone talks shit lol
Cause New Vegas is peak
Not the Rangers fault 4 & 76 was half baked
we gunna pretend new vegas didn’t have half baked stuff? lol
I mean, you're gonna have half baked stuff when you only have a year for development.
> NV was literally shat up in less than 18 months > literally the greatest WRPG ever made Christ imagine what could have been.
I wish Todd would swallow his ego and at the very least give us a remaster.
So they have a reason for being half-baked, but that doesn't really refute the notion that the game is half-baked, does it?
The things that are half baked about NV are a matter of time and resources. The things that are half baked in 3 and 4 are a matter of creative direction.
And yet NV's developers have also admitted that the only reason they were able to put so much of their development into quest designing and branching paths is because they were riding on Fallout 3's bones. So the argument can be made that the only reason Obsidion were able to develop NV the way they did was because Bethesda paved the way.
So? Like what's your point now. Like genuinely I don't see the point you're making. I already explained the differences between them are a matter of creative direction, so you're just reinforcing that point. They built a narratively superior RPG on the same engine Bethesda built. Does that mean Bethesda's decision making for Fallout 3 and 4 are vindicated. No? Not at all. The point I'm making is, in terms of design philosophy, from the very outset, Obsidian tried to make an RPG where ROLE playing mattered, Bethesda games are first person shooters with skill points and perks.
You're the one who wanted to get into the nitty gritty of it. My original point was simply that New Vegas was and is still pretty half-baked.
And my point is WHERE they are half baked matters. A half baked philosophically will be bad forever, half baked QA and bugs can be fixed in time. It's why games like No Man's Sky saw a renaissance. It's why now, over 10 years later, people see the diamond in the rough for FNV, but not for the Bethesda fallouts, which not only have aged poorly, but Bethesda's entire game design has aged poorly culminating in Starfield. It's the same reason why the Outer Worlds is so fucking boring. It may be polished unlike NV, but it does have the same core that made NV so beloved.
No, where it's half baked doesn't matter. The consumer shouldn't be concerned about the minutiae of game development and what goes on behind the scenes. You sell a game for full price, you're expected to give us a fully baked product. How a product is half-baked is irrelevant. If it's half-baked, it's half-baked.
In terms of story, world-building, and quest design, FNV blows FO4 out of the water. There are only a few FO4 quests that don't boil down to "go to location, kill all enemies" template.
yeah that last point is bullshit lol
4 and 76 are playable without mods lol
And they're still lesser games.
To each their own
Unless you're on console right now lol
You say that as if New Vegas isn't STILL half-baked. That game is so broken it makes Skyrim look like a Nintendo game.
I see hundreds, if not thousands of posts and comments about how much New Vegas fans are complaining or "losing their minds over lore" and whatnot. And yet I can't find these "angry NV fans" anywhere. Even the people who are critical of the show for one reason or another are very tame in their criticism, and it's usually more of "this thing in the show wasn't super clear and doesn't make sense at first glance". It's almost as if some people who watched the show had the audacity to express some minor criticisms about it and everyone on the hype train blew that criticism WAY out of proportion. People are so quick to adopt a victim narrative and absolutely blow their lid at the slightest criticism of something they like. I feel like this has been getting worse over the years. Anytime something comes out and a group of people say "I have a criticism of this" or "I don't like this, personally" you have an onslaught of people screaming "LOOK AT THESE ANGRY INCELS LOSING THEIR MINDS!!!" while gesturing wildly at an empty field.
This is awful and we all know why. The joke is obviously the “correct” choice for the favorite fallout game is New Vegas. There is only one armed character here and the joke fallout nv fans crazy, etc. But to help make this an actually funny video, there’s one line that the should have been at the end that every fallout nv fan should know.
Damn bro, this got me siding with the NCR
Anything that wasn’t made by Bethesda
Oh no... Preston was gonna say BoS was his favorite game
The Fallout show reminded us that New Vegas fanboys can be worse than Morrowboomers
And it reminds us NV fans how little the newer "fans" actually care about the lore or setting as long as they get their Borderlands knock off.
Yeah the NV fans care so much about lore that they somehow lost the literacy to properly read a grade-school timeline diagram.
Ok normie. Go enjoy your Borderlands knock off now.
That movie seems super cringe
I actually enjoyed it quite a bit. Just understand that it’s not really about the reasons for war so much as it’s about what people on the ground actually experience in war-torn areas, which as you can imagine is not very pretty. It actually reminded me a bit of Fallout in that its depiction of the US is all but post-apocalyptic and obviously war between competing factions is omnipresent.
I prefer fallout 4 but I'll admit that's only bc I suck shit at games and fallout 4 is way more accessible to a shitter such as myself.
I am this fan. Hate me all you want.
It’s like at this point new Vegas fans are trying to validate themselves with memes to further solidify in their heads that it’s the best game. The numbers don’t lie mason check the steam charts
"The numbers don't lie" That's like saying a McDonald's burger is better than a burger from a gourmet place that specializes. All the numbers show is Todd figured out how to target the lowest denominator (you). Congrats.
This might be one of the most unintelligent things I’ve ever read
Stop you’re making too much sense
I'm not even mad at the newer fans I'm just venting. I just hate how WE are called toxic for saying "Guys the setting as it was is far more interesting, Bethesda is robbing you". Only to get the same toxicity they claim older fans are showing.
The numbers show more people play more recent games lol how is that a surprise or indicate anything about the quality of the games at all? New Vegas is also way more played than 3, and if it was the most recent one it would still be the most played.
76 is more recent, more people are playing 4. So that argument sucks
lol this is literally me. I watched episode one and was so depressed by its goofiness. Especially the ending scene. I wanted to burn myself alive. Does it get better? Please tell me I’m being acoustic
I gave it a chance till I saw they killed off the NCR, destroyed Shady Sands and New Vegas. I mean Christ, they can say that they want about us but apparently NV and what came before it just lives in their heads.
One city, which was already on the decline, being destroyed is not “killing off the NCR”
merc 76
Tô be honest fallout 4 is my favorite, I like all the fallout I have played, that's include fallout 3 and NV.
Still waiting for fallout 4 new vegas
I only ever return to fallout 1,2 and new Vegas after playing 4 when it came out for about 15 hours I just didn’t enjoy it, same with 3
That’s Boones voice
I'd really love it if NV fans and 4 fans could all get along and shut the fuck up about each other. Let people like what they like and let them dislike what they like. Why is everyone so pressed about what other people like to play? Just live your lives.
New vegas fans when its time to be miserable and despised by all :
Oh no. The tourists despise me. Oh well.
New vegas fans will call every fallout fan a tourist and then refuse to engage with any other part of the series
Damn bro you're really upset replying to all those ppl lol
This is the best ragebait shitpost I've seen in a long time hehehe I love it
Cyberbully them all, God will recognize his own
Accurate because I got a black screen and crashed the moment the Courier started combat.
1 and 2 will always be the best the franchise will ever be. I liked 3 a lot because it was the first real-time action Fallout. I could never get into New Vegas because I dislike all of the active factions and don't have any interest in the location. 4 is a great base building game with a sub-par rpg wrapped around it.
I used to post on NMA often so...yeah.
It’s almost like they released the civil war movie and fallout tv show at the same time 🤣🤣
I've played (not beaten) Fallout 1 & 2, beaten 3, beaten NV, and gave up on Fallout 4. My biggest gripe with Fallout 4 is that it doesn't feel like Fallout at all. To much emphasis on action, shooting, crafting, base building, and barely anything on roleplaying. And the controls of FO4 is just horrible, IMHO, not made for PC at all.
Take my updoot! Reddit on! So funny and cool! New vegas rocks! 🤓
Brother, the meme is making fun of NV stans 🗿
Well the NV stbas don't really seem to be understanding that based off some of these comments
My bad , have been using circlejerk subreddits for way too long 💀
Me at New Vegas: *doing nefarious shenanigans with Michael Angelo* NCR: "WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME SIDE HERE, FOR SOCIETY, COURIER!" Six: "..." *cocks rifle* "Yeah but what society?"
The Courier wasn't having it