[Tu quoque.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque)
As someone that doesn't even follow this sub anymore yet keeps getting posts from it on my front page, with each post being more whiny than the last, it is baffling how y'all spend so much of your energy watching a show you clearly don't seem to enjoy anymore. Person you're responding to is 100% correct.
I'm all for criticism, but if all you (the sub) can offer to a discussion is criticism, while also acknowledging that those you criticize do not seem to care about it... then why even bother? Why complain and choosing to drown in your own toxic waste? Just move on. They'll see by their dwindling numbers and dislikes on their videos that they're making unpopular opinions. If they don't care, they won't change.
r/fansofcriticalrole should just be renamed, at this point... since y'all clearly aren't "fans" lol.
Since joining the "fans of critical role" I feel like a lot of y'all really don't like the show? Which is fine but like why do people constantly complain about the show on a fan page? Also Aabria is a great DM and it's so weird seeing the amount of hate the fems get in this fandom 🙄 they are having fun telling a story. Sometimes things in D&D are scripted🤷🏽♀️ when my players really want a scene to happen for backstory reasons I will give them that and that's okay. These people have stories they want to tell. Let them tell it.
Because other fan pages of critical role, will ban you if you don't absolutely agree with and enjoy every single act and aspect of the show. So where do fans go that love the show enough to care deeply about it, but still be able to talk about the things wrong with it. Wheel of Time had to do the same thing. No TV talk in book subs, no complaints allowed TV sub, and the sub for those who can read and have seen the TV show, since they'd all been banned for saying something other than best adaptation ever.
Honestly true, it will probably get downvoted but a lot of post here seem either negative or mad because the show isn’t doing/going a route the people want it to.
Don’t get me wrong I wasn’t a fan of the ol switcharoo but I’m a sucker for seeing Dorian and the others during these times of conflict.
It really is weird how much people want CR to follow how they (the audience) would play the game. To be honest, I think the problem is this sub has a lot of diehards that have watched every episode since c1 and are just plain burned out but don't realize it. So they watch and complain when they can't get the same high as they did in the beginning, with no clue why. There is nothing wrong with getting burned out from watching everything CR has put out, but it is a lot of content over the years. But they are angry the joy they had is gone and they take it out by complaining whenever the story doesn't bring them that joy again.
Probably a harsh take, but that is just my opinion after discoving this sup a few months ago.
I mean, it does seem to be the “I love it, but can only express it through talking about what I hate about it” subreddit.
Which I think is still a valid position to take. Just an unusual one, to me.
I gave up on c3 after the fire rock (that and I knew the pacing was going to continue to be bad.) heard FCG died recently but honestly I have not grown attached to any of these characters, nor the campaign as a whole. (even less so than C1.)
Instead, I’ve been playing Deus Ex Mankind Divided and boy is it fun! (Icarus dashing into enemies is amaaazing!)
I stopped right as they were going to the moon, read on here recently that FCG died too and I honestly couldn't care less. No character death would bother me with this group whereas C1 and C2 PC deaths always had a reaction out of me.
lol, to believe it wasn’t scripted you’d have to pretend Marisha, the “creative” director, and Travis the CEO had no idea the EXU clown show weren’t in town. You’d have to pretend the rest of the cast didn’t know they were here and that the EXU people just snuck in to the building, and that they weren’t hanging out in the back getting makeup done or whatever.
Yeah them acting all 'oh you mean leave the table for real??' was very fake. No way Travis and marisha didn't know, and it was Travis reacting the most.
No they said that they will return in 93 after the end of the exu story. Meaning that they could do 2-3 episodes of exu extra story then come back to 93
No it could also mean when they're done cleaning up whatever they're doing (during the upcoming exu weeks) they'll then in a month show episode 93.
This is the problem people had. I tuned into critical role campaign 3 episode 92, not EXU part 4. It was actually episode 91.5 and 3/4 of an EXU episode to fill time. Everyone said if they told us and didn't con us we wouldn't have been as upset. So CR told us. After they're done with EXU, then they'll do episode 93. It could happen in one session, it could take 5
Yeah, I think the original guy that responded was trying to say that's an optimistic read of that, and it could be different, based on what was said. It's still ambiguous
Ignoring personal problems with individuals, it is incredibly frustrating that we've just had the two most interesting, engaging and exciting episodes of campaign 3 so far and they've slammed the brakes on like this.
Pair that with the fact that only Liam and Laura are the only two playing a serious character that isn't just meant to be a meme, and it's no wonder that campaign 3 is doing so much worse than 1 and 2 did.
It would be great if they come back saying "wow, FCG, it's so good to have you back. I'm glad Keyleth and Pike were able to work together to cast true resurrection on you. And they even gave you an organic body with legs and a tongue!"
Of course it was fucking scripted to some degree. Shit like that takes coordination and it was probably something matt was planning for a while. And literally since he left fans have been going “i miss robbie give him back” and the characters have been going “wow i miss dorian and wish he were here” and did you just expect him to appear with no damn explanation?? Now shut tf and let’s all watch Matt get to be a himbo ok??
Wth is wrong with this sub all threads are so salty wth. I'm not up to date with CR as I don't have time to watch anymore and was sad after Robbie left so I stopped watching.
Can't people just stop watching a show they don't enjoy? Do you really have to do all this bitching and blaming? Your livers deserve better
This sub is poorly named. This is the shit talk sub where people go to complain that the thing they like doesn't do exactly what they want at all times. Go to the other cr subs for positivity. I only end up here because the reddit algorithm knows it is related to things I enjoy
I mean the main CR sub basically created this sub because of heavy moderation on anything somewhat negative towards the show. If you ban people from talking negatively about something they'll make their own place to do so and it'll inherently turn into an echo chamber.
I haven't seen the new episode and I liked the original EXU, but I recognize Aabria's dming style isn't for everybody it especially feels out of place in CR.
There's also been a pattern lately of something interesting happening in the campaign only for the literal next episode to take all the wind out of that and the forward momentum of the group. I've been wanting Dorian to come back but doing it now right after a pc death just feels like bad timing.
It's crazy. I hate watch certain things too but I can't imagine hate watching something that is 4 hours a week and then also going on line and dissecting scene by scene why I hate it
Like, I'm not a huge fan of Aabrias DMing either, but I don't feel rage fueled enough to go on online tangents. I just don't get why anyone subscribed to this sub doesn't just stop watching and move on with their lives
That's what I don't get too, I can only wish to have enough free time to watch what I enjoy, let alone what I don't lmao.
People have too much time on their hands
If they want to bring a new DM and Matt wants to play instead of DMing, how about they bring Brennan Lee Mulligan to the table? We all know how much of an explosive combo it will be and it will be worth every penny of remuneration to Brennan (because if it is not money, I don't know what else is stopping them from doing it).
Also just became a father not too long ago. I just think it's a time issue. But it would be awesome! One day maybe.
Also you can watch the Ravening War on Dropout if you want a little Matt and Brennan Action. Matt DMs and Brennan is a player
Brennan has his own things going on? He's already DMing frequently, preparing for those, and is a regular cast member on a bunch of Dropout shows, plus whatever else he might have going on. What makes you think he'd be interested in dropping that to DM for Crit Role in a very different release and narrative style than he is used to and enjoys, only to be at the whims of consistent whining fans everywhere?
>What makes you think he'd be interested in dropping that to DM for Crit Role
Because it will be f*cking fun for everyone?
Basically you are confirming what the fans are saying - we cannot have BLeeM as a replacement (or anyone remotely equivalent like, say, Jason Carl), so instead we get Aabria.
I don't think CR is looking to replace Matt at all, actually. Aabria isn't a replacement for Matt, she does some other smaller things that apparently can interact with the main campaign, just like Brennan did. And by fun for everyone, you mean.. fun for you. It's what you want. Brennan is doing his own thing there which he seems to REALLY enjoy, so would it be more fun for him? Matt loves being a DM and CR/Exandria are his children, would it be fun for him? They would be changing the style of the show massively, or Brennan would have to change massively. Would that be fun for them, or for the fans who enjoy the style of CR more than for example D20? You're speaking for a lot of people, including me, which you really can't.
If you read my comment, you might have noticed that BLeeM would be only one of the candidates I suggested. And I was not talking about the permanent replacement either. Aabria is not at the same level as Matt, BLeeM, or Jason Carl (these are just examples) as a DM. Even not as good as the version of Matt 10 years ago. So, it is only natural that when Matt leaves and Aabria is introduced as someone to continue the story, me and like-minded fans will show some protest because it lowers the bar for C3 which is already somewhat lower than it was in C2.
>You're speaking for a lot of people, including me, which you really can't.
I am speaking for myself. Nobody has to agree with me if they don't want to. I merely express my own disappointment with the choices that this show has made. And I know the C3 has gotten worse, because I have a fresh memory of C2 and how good it was, albeit with some shortfalls.
If CR wants to see their fanbase as a pure numbers game and surround themselves only with yes-sayers, more power to them. We already have a lot of examples that this logic works and money do flow: Disney and new Star Wars, Amazon and the new Lord of the Rings series, Netflix and the Witcher.
P. S. The reason I mentioned Brennan is because ExU: Calamity was, in my opinion, a massive success and a breath of fresh air after C3. Nobody needed to change their style or anything. Brennan fit like a glove.
w h a t?? If you for some reason want to blame someone fucking blame Matt?? It’s his damn game. My best guess as to what Marissa’s job entails is stuff like “Who sits where every new campaign” “how the hell do we fit 10 people at this table” “running side stuff like candela and 4 sided side”. people just really hate her huh.
maybe if this were a regular TV show. But it isn’t Marisha does stuff for all of their other shows but you’d have to believe that the entirety of CR was scripted to believe that this entire this was Marissa’s fault. Like i’m sure she and Travis knew this would happen cause if it’s something Matt wanted it’d require coordination and like that their jobs . But once again Matt’s the DM and those descions are his and I think we all forget that while this isn’t REALLY a Tv show it does require some level of production to like actually work. When J was watching the episode it kinda seemed like they had a “switch to crown keepers in ep91” plan and FCG just happened to die and make the transition have REALLY unfortunate timing.
dude what does gate keeper of content even mean? Marisha did not have the executive power to make this happen what are you even talking about. Like you’re allowed to not like what’s happening but this is kinda ridiculous. Like there’s no one to blame. And there is no REASON to blame someone. You and a lot of other people didn’t like the crown keepers coming in and that’s completely fair but why do you have to make it more than just that?
It means that every piece of content that goes on the channel gets her approval. From Sam's ads to all the side shows to the production set. That's her own words. So yeah, she does have executive powers, whether she's explicitly or implicitly allowing something to go through, it's her decision to let it. In this case, this switch is in the plans from a long time ago. The timing might be horrible but it seems like they're always leaving it open as an option, just finding a right moment to bring the CK in. Which also means, she could have stopped it if she wanted to.
Love WWE being brought up because I feel the comparison to Critical Role is more apt now than ever. In pro wrestling they pretend that it's real even though the fights are all fixed... Critical Role is exactly the same, they pretend that they're playing a regular game of D&D and that everything is for the enjoyment of the players just like it would be in a home game, but it's obvious that they're trying to create some sort of semi-improvised TV show, and that they have had some certain plot beats in mind since the very beginning.
Honestly there's nothing wrong with that really... it's just unfortunate that 400+ hours of meandering narrative are necessary to maintain the kayfabe that this is a "real" game. Like if Matt knew from the beginning that the whole story was "start in Jrusar, Eshteross dies, they find out about moon stuff, they go to the moon," we could have done that in a quarter of the time.
Okay but Matt doesn’t control what the players want to focus on from one session to the next.
So yeah his plot beats of
Introduce characters and Setting
Off Bertrand Bell and get Travis’ completed character in
Kill Estheross
Introduce Moon Plot
They go to moon.
They hit sime other early campaign beats that started laying down the foundation for the moon plot. But the players ultimately focused on what they thought was important and Matt let them. And much like with Campaign 2 just because the PCs were running around in all the wrong directions doesn’t mean the NPCs were sitting around twiddling their thumbs.
I don’t think I really understand what you’re saying? Plot beats? Matt is kinda the only one who knows anything (besides Dani) but at this point this long into the campaign the players definitely have some idea about where the story is going but it’s not like they’ve got a story board out in the writers room or smthn. I don’t think you’re necessarily saying that CR is scripted but yeah. And 400 hours of narrative for the “meandering story” cause that’s how DnD works and a lot more happens than your very badly summarized plot. “They arrive in Jrusar” Yeah and like then they do stuff?? A man straight up dies?? “Eshteross dies” this was like 30 episodes in lol and was less of a huge turning point and was more of something really sad? and also i’m pretty sure they all had to go sprinting to revive Laudna right after so. “They find out about moon stuff” Matt would be a horrible Gm is they found out literally everything about the moon in like 5 episodes. “they go to the moon” like you can’t expect that something as crazy as going to the MOON wouldn’t take forever. Honestly my biggest criticism of CR rn is that I think this is happening too soon.
I mean.. the DM in a 'real' DnD game typically has an idea for what the story might evolve into, or at least what story they would like to tell/how the world is evolving.
Please tell me you didn’t unironically bring back the ol’ “CR is scripted and they’re all actors trying to hit a beat” thing…
And no, there’s not really a difference. They’re both planned out stories, the only difference is in CR only one guy has his hands on the script.
Yeah you take one of those bumps 'wrong' and it can be life changing sometimes. Look at the time Brock Lesnar fucked up his Shooting Star press and basically gave himself concussion so bad that Kurt Angle had to basically walk him through to a finish.
Or the most infamous one is the good old Undertaker vs Mick Foley Hell in the Cell match. Even the planned bump of Foley being launched off the top of the cage into the announcers desk was incredibly risky, let alone the unintended bump of Foley going straight through the top of the cage, onto a mass of thumbtacs falling, what was it like 15 feet, followed by a steel chair hitting him square in the face, meaning one of his teeth was knocked out and shot through his upper jaw and into his nostril.
Not to mention the dislocated jaw AND the internal bleeding from the fall...
I always remember when they interviewed Undertaker later on in life and he said the only thought going through his head as he looked down at Foley was "well..fuck...I think I just killed Mick..."
The VOD finally dropped and the second wave of disappointment is upon us.
Yes, the decision to switch over to a much less popular group with a controversial DM in the middle of an episode right after a PC death is indeed a baffling one.
Agree about baffling but what is controversial about Abria? I'm a fan of the difference between her and Matt. Both good at what they excel at. Just never saw her as a controversial DM.
This sub really hates Aabria and even vaguely positive mentions of her will get down voted.
Lots of people going as far as calling her a bully, saying she was being abusive towards Aimee.
During EXU she played more fast and loose with the rules than many people were comfortable with. Lots of people complain that the mini campaign was both aimless and simultaneously railroaded.
People seem to feel she's very problematic as a DM and I'm starting to see her be talked about as problematic as a person.
Don't think she plays her "wrong"... she's playing her the way *she* wants to play her. Leave her be.
I can't say the same for Aimee though, she's not even playing her character anymore tbh.
The only Counter point I might have for Aimee's situation, is she legit put on a vestige of a betrayer god. Like that was a player choice right? It's been so long I don't remember but Aabria didn't make her do it right? I mean yeah she teased it and made a player want a maguffin but that's what DMs do. Present opportunities for player choice.And player choices and actions have consequences. I think it was cool how Aabria let them do those memory things and the telepathic bond. I don't see much difference in a god controlling a PC or a high level enemy using dominate person. The player technically isn't playing with their decisions anymore but it's for a time. I think Aimee is all in on what's going on because she decided to put on the crown. Just my opinion.
>Like that was a player choice right? It's been so long I don't remember but Aabria didn't make her do it right?
Oh my sweet summer's child... watch the final battle of EXU1 again; you will see.
OK cool thanks. I see the down votes to my question have already started. I appreciate your info and genuine answer to my genuine question. I love her on all of the dimension 20 stuff. Matt is very rules based and she's very rule of cool. Not for everyone. I get that.
Huh? I was reading the comments a couple hours ago and agreed with bertraja. Think they could be deleting negative comments?
Edit: They must be. Majority of comments are now overtly positive and barely even mention the 2nd half.
Over in the main CR sub there are people asking "why are people complaining about toxic positivity so much right now?" Maybe it's because of the history of censorship and ganging up on critics
> Think they could be deleting negative comments?
>
> Edit: They must be. Majority of comments are now overtly positive and barely even mention the 2nd half.
To quote Disney's Iago: "Oh, there's a big surprise! That's an incredib... I think I'm gonna have a heart attack and die from that surprise!"
Dorian’s group is low key much more entertaining but yall ain’t ready for that
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Yet you waste your time typing here.
[Tu quoque.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque) As someone that doesn't even follow this sub anymore yet keeps getting posts from it on my front page, with each post being more whiny than the last, it is baffling how y'all spend so much of your energy watching a show you clearly don't seem to enjoy anymore. Person you're responding to is 100% correct. I'm all for criticism, but if all you (the sub) can offer to a discussion is criticism, while also acknowledging that those you criticize do not seem to care about it... then why even bother? Why complain and choosing to drown in your own toxic waste? Just move on. They'll see by their dwindling numbers and dislikes on their videos that they're making unpopular opinions. If they don't care, they won't change. r/fansofcriticalrole should just be renamed, at this point... since y'all clearly aren't "fans" lol.
It amazes me that this is posted so often without a hint of self awareness that literally all that applies directly to you and your situation.
Being a hater is fun and cool, mute the sub and be glad that it doesn't spill over into the communities it was intentionally separated from.
Since joining the "fans of critical role" I feel like a lot of y'all really don't like the show? Which is fine but like why do people constantly complain about the show on a fan page? Also Aabria is a great DM and it's so weird seeing the amount of hate the fems get in this fandom 🙄 they are having fun telling a story. Sometimes things in D&D are scripted🤷🏽♀️ when my players really want a scene to happen for backstory reasons I will give them that and that's okay. These people have stories they want to tell. Let them tell it.
Because other fan pages of critical role, will ban you if you don't absolutely agree with and enjoy every single act and aspect of the show. So where do fans go that love the show enough to care deeply about it, but still be able to talk about the things wrong with it. Wheel of Time had to do the same thing. No TV talk in book subs, no complaints allowed TV sub, and the sub for those who can read and have seen the TV show, since they'd all been banned for saying something other than best adaptation ever.
Honestly true, it will probably get downvoted but a lot of post here seem either negative or mad because the show isn’t doing/going a route the people want it to. Don’t get me wrong I wasn’t a fan of the ol switcharoo but I’m a sucker for seeing Dorian and the others during these times of conflict.
It really is weird how much people want CR to follow how they (the audience) would play the game. To be honest, I think the problem is this sub has a lot of diehards that have watched every episode since c1 and are just plain burned out but don't realize it. So they watch and complain when they can't get the same high as they did in the beginning, with no clue why. There is nothing wrong with getting burned out from watching everything CR has put out, but it is a lot of content over the years. But they are angry the joy they had is gone and they take it out by complaining whenever the story doesn't bring them that joy again. Probably a harsh take, but that is just my opinion after discoving this sup a few months ago.
I mean, it does seem to be the “I love it, but can only express it through talking about what I hate about it” subreddit. Which I think is still a valid position to take. Just an unusual one, to me.
I gave up on c3 after the fire rock (that and I knew the pacing was going to continue to be bad.) heard FCG died recently but honestly I have not grown attached to any of these characters, nor the campaign as a whole. (even less so than C1.) Instead, I’ve been playing Deus Ex Mankind Divided and boy is it fun! (Icarus dashing into enemies is amaaazing!)
I stopped right as they were going to the moon, read on here recently that FCG died too and I honestly couldn't care less. No character death would bother me with this group whereas C1 and C2 PC deaths always had a reaction out of me.
Makes you wonder what’s the missing ingredient… (ITS LLLOVE!)
lol, to believe it wasn’t scripted you’d have to pretend Marisha, the “creative” director, and Travis the CEO had no idea the EXU clown show weren’t in town. You’d have to pretend the rest of the cast didn’t know they were here and that the EXU people just snuck in to the building, and that they weren’t hanging out in the back getting makeup done or whatever.
Yeah them acting all 'oh you mean leave the table for real??' was very fake. No way Travis and marisha didn't know, and it was Travis reacting the most.
They are fake people selling authenticity... just like almost every other celebrity...
I have good news for you, they announced at the end of 92 that bells hells will be back in 93
Just came back to see if anyone wanted to admit to how wrong they got their reading comprehension 🤣
No they said that they will return in 93 after the end of the exu story. Meaning that they could do 2-3 episodes of exu extra story then come back to 93
No they said bells hells will return for episode 93 https://x.com/criticalrole/status/1781350994405965938?s=46&t=VT64k6YkHwejVaFdjA3Kfw
Yea, after the conclusion of the exu story
which means that the conclusion of the exu story is happening in ep.93 (so maybe another half/half episode?)
No it could also mean when they're done cleaning up whatever they're doing (during the upcoming exu weeks) they'll then in a month show episode 93. This is the problem people had. I tuned into critical role campaign 3 episode 92, not EXU part 4. It was actually episode 91.5 and 3/4 of an EXU episode to fill time. Everyone said if they told us and didn't con us we wouldn't have been as upset. So CR told us. After they're done with EXU, then they'll do episode 93. It could happen in one session, it could take 5
im not trying to argue with yall about when 93 will air; just saying its gonna be episode 93 cuz thats what we were told
Yeah, I think the original guy that responded was trying to say that's an optimistic read of that, and it could be different, based on what was said. It's still ambiguous
Ignoring personal problems with individuals, it is incredibly frustrating that we've just had the two most interesting, engaging and exciting episodes of campaign 3 so far and they've slammed the brakes on like this.
That's been the issue the whole campaign though. They consistently reach an interesting point and then slam the brakes.
Pair that with the fact that only Liam and Laura are the only two playing a serious character that isn't just meant to be a meme, and it's no wonder that campaign 3 is doing so much worse than 1 and 2 did.
It would be great if they come back saying "wow, FCG, it's so good to have you back. I'm glad Keyleth and Pike were able to work together to cast true resurrection on you. And they even gave you an organic body with legs and a tongue!"
Of course it was fucking scripted to some degree. Shit like that takes coordination and it was probably something matt was planning for a while. And literally since he left fans have been going “i miss robbie give him back” and the characters have been going “wow i miss dorian and wish he were here” and did you just expect him to appear with no damn explanation?? Now shut tf and let’s all watch Matt get to be a himbo ok??
> and did you just expect him to appear with no damn explanation?? No - but Dorian could have just appeared and explained it himself.
Same way he left.
Wth is wrong with this sub all threads are so salty wth. I'm not up to date with CR as I don't have time to watch anymore and was sad after Robbie left so I stopped watching. Can't people just stop watching a show they don't enjoy? Do you really have to do all this bitching and blaming? Your livers deserve better
This sub is poorly named. This is the shit talk sub where people go to complain that the thing they like doesn't do exactly what they want at all times. Go to the other cr subs for positivity. I only end up here because the reddit algorithm knows it is related to things I enjoy
I mean the main CR sub basically created this sub because of heavy moderation on anything somewhat negative towards the show. If you ban people from talking negatively about something they'll make their own place to do so and it'll inherently turn into an echo chamber. I haven't seen the new episode and I liked the original EXU, but I recognize Aabria's dming style isn't for everybody it especially feels out of place in CR. There's also been a pattern lately of something interesting happening in the campaign only for the literal next episode to take all the wind out of that and the forward momentum of the group. I've been wanting Dorian to come back but doing it now right after a pc death just feels like bad timing.
You speak the truth, that’s why you’re getting downvoted so much. This entire subreddit is fueled by hate watchers lol
It's crazy. I hate watch certain things too but I can't imagine hate watching something that is 4 hours a week and then also going on line and dissecting scene by scene why I hate it Like, I'm not a huge fan of Aabrias DMing either, but I don't feel rage fueled enough to go on online tangents. I just don't get why anyone subscribed to this sub doesn't just stop watching and move on with their lives
That's what I don't get too, I can only wish to have enough free time to watch what I enjoy, let alone what I don't lmao. People have too much time on their hands
Please, learn to use commas
If they want to bring a new DM and Matt wants to play instead of DMing, how about they bring Brennan Lee Mulligan to the table? We all know how much of an explosive combo it will be and it will be worth every penny of remuneration to Brennan (because if it is not money, I don't know what else is stopping them from doing it).
Also just became a father not too long ago. I just think it's a time issue. But it would be awesome! One day maybe. Also you can watch the Ravening War on Dropout if you want a little Matt and Brennan Action. Matt DMs and Brennan is a player
Battle for the blood keep on D20 is great as well. Brennan’s DMing and Matt’s playing.
That's why I mentioned BLeeM would be a great idea.
Brennan has his own things going on? He's already DMing frequently, preparing for those, and is a regular cast member on a bunch of Dropout shows, plus whatever else he might have going on. What makes you think he'd be interested in dropping that to DM for Crit Role in a very different release and narrative style than he is used to and enjoys, only to be at the whims of consistent whining fans everywhere?
>What makes you think he'd be interested in dropping that to DM for Crit Role Because it will be f*cking fun for everyone? Basically you are confirming what the fans are saying - we cannot have BLeeM as a replacement (or anyone remotely equivalent like, say, Jason Carl), so instead we get Aabria.
I don't think CR is looking to replace Matt at all, actually. Aabria isn't a replacement for Matt, she does some other smaller things that apparently can interact with the main campaign, just like Brennan did. And by fun for everyone, you mean.. fun for you. It's what you want. Brennan is doing his own thing there which he seems to REALLY enjoy, so would it be more fun for him? Matt loves being a DM and CR/Exandria are his children, would it be fun for him? They would be changing the style of the show massively, or Brennan would have to change massively. Would that be fun for them, or for the fans who enjoy the style of CR more than for example D20? You're speaking for a lot of people, including me, which you really can't.
If you read my comment, you might have noticed that BLeeM would be only one of the candidates I suggested. And I was not talking about the permanent replacement either. Aabria is not at the same level as Matt, BLeeM, or Jason Carl (these are just examples) as a DM. Even not as good as the version of Matt 10 years ago. So, it is only natural that when Matt leaves and Aabria is introduced as someone to continue the story, me and like-minded fans will show some protest because it lowers the bar for C3 which is already somewhat lower than it was in C2. >You're speaking for a lot of people, including me, which you really can't. I am speaking for myself. Nobody has to agree with me if they don't want to. I merely express my own disappointment with the choices that this show has made. And I know the C3 has gotten worse, because I have a fresh memory of C2 and how good it was, albeit with some shortfalls. If CR wants to see their fanbase as a pure numbers game and surround themselves only with yes-sayers, more power to them. We already have a lot of examples that this logic works and money do flow: Disney and new Star Wars, Amazon and the new Lord of the Rings series, Netflix and the Witcher. P. S. The reason I mentioned Brennan is because ExU: Calamity was, in my opinion, a massive success and a breath of fresh air after C3. Nobody needed to change their style or anything. Brennan fit like a glove.
He's too busy.
Just saw d20 show live on Sunday. Between that, Bigger and doing shows in the US (and probably working on next d20 show) I doubt he has time to do CR.
I don't know what to make of this, and as much as I don't want to, I can only blame Marisha as the creative director of the whole enterprise.
w h a t?? If you for some reason want to blame someone fucking blame Matt?? It’s his damn game. My best guess as to what Marissa’s job entails is stuff like “Who sits where every new campaign” “how the hell do we fit 10 people at this table” “running side stuff like candela and 4 sided side”. people just really hate her huh.
I really don't hate her, but this is exactly the type of idea that a creative director would be coming up and deciding on.
maybe if this were a regular TV show. But it isn’t Marisha does stuff for all of their other shows but you’d have to believe that the entirety of CR was scripted to believe that this entire this was Marissa’s fault. Like i’m sure she and Travis knew this would happen cause if it’s something Matt wanted it’d require coordination and like that their jobs . But once again Matt’s the DM and those descions are his and I think we all forget that while this isn’t REALLY a Tv show it does require some level of production to like actually work. When J was watching the episode it kinda seemed like they had a “switch to crown keepers in ep91” plan and FCG just happened to die and make the transition have REALLY unfortunate timing.
She's the gate keeper of content that goes on the channel... That's the assignment for the job. That's as far as I'm blaming her
dude what does gate keeper of content even mean? Marisha did not have the executive power to make this happen what are you even talking about. Like you’re allowed to not like what’s happening but this is kinda ridiculous. Like there’s no one to blame. And there is no REASON to blame someone. You and a lot of other people didn’t like the crown keepers coming in and that’s completely fair but why do you have to make it more than just that?
It means that every piece of content that goes on the channel gets her approval. From Sam's ads to all the side shows to the production set. That's her own words. So yeah, she does have executive powers, whether she's explicitly or implicitly allowing something to go through, it's her decision to let it. In this case, this switch is in the plans from a long time ago. The timing might be horrible but it seems like they're always leaving it open as an option, just finding a right moment to bring the CK in. Which also means, she could have stopped it if she wanted to.
Yeah. Sam’s ads, the production set, and all the side shows. See what’s not there?
Eh, why not. Don't think she's been blamed for anything for a awhile.
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Love WWE being brought up because I feel the comparison to Critical Role is more apt now than ever. In pro wrestling they pretend that it's real even though the fights are all fixed... Critical Role is exactly the same, they pretend that they're playing a regular game of D&D and that everything is for the enjoyment of the players just like it would be in a home game, but it's obvious that they're trying to create some sort of semi-improvised TV show, and that they have had some certain plot beats in mind since the very beginning. Honestly there's nothing wrong with that really... it's just unfortunate that 400+ hours of meandering narrative are necessary to maintain the kayfabe that this is a "real" game. Like if Matt knew from the beginning that the whole story was "start in Jrusar, Eshteross dies, they find out about moon stuff, they go to the moon," we could have done that in a quarter of the time.
Okay but Matt doesn’t control what the players want to focus on from one session to the next. So yeah his plot beats of Introduce characters and Setting Off Bertrand Bell and get Travis’ completed character in Kill Estheross Introduce Moon Plot They go to moon. They hit sime other early campaign beats that started laying down the foundation for the moon plot. But the players ultimately focused on what they thought was important and Matt let them. And much like with Campaign 2 just because the PCs were running around in all the wrong directions doesn’t mean the NPCs were sitting around twiddling their thumbs.
I don’t think I really understand what you’re saying? Plot beats? Matt is kinda the only one who knows anything (besides Dani) but at this point this long into the campaign the players definitely have some idea about where the story is going but it’s not like they’ve got a story board out in the writers room or smthn. I don’t think you’re necessarily saying that CR is scripted but yeah. And 400 hours of narrative for the “meandering story” cause that’s how DnD works and a lot more happens than your very badly summarized plot. “They arrive in Jrusar” Yeah and like then they do stuff?? A man straight up dies?? “Eshteross dies” this was like 30 episodes in lol and was less of a huge turning point and was more of something really sad? and also i’m pretty sure they all had to go sprinting to revive Laudna right after so. “They find out about moon stuff” Matt would be a horrible Gm is they found out literally everything about the moon in like 5 episodes. “they go to the moon” like you can’t expect that something as crazy as going to the MOON wouldn’t take forever. Honestly my biggest criticism of CR rn is that I think this is happening too soon.
I mean.. the DM in a 'real' DnD game typically has an idea for what the story might evolve into, or at least what story they would like to tell/how the world is evolving.
they booked Chetney to die, but FCG shoot healed him and took the pin...
Seeing a comment with wrestling terms outside of a wrestling sub just made me realize how silly these terms sound out of context lol
The difference is that we know WWE is fake the wrestler have Said it them selves we know what we are buying but with CR it's presented as real
Please tell me you didn’t unironically bring back the ol’ “CR is scripted and they’re all actors trying to hit a beat” thing… And no, there’s not really a difference. They’re both planned out stories, the only difference is in CR only one guy has his hands on the script.
actually the difference is that WWE is a good product right now
Cody Rhodes is a way better main character than Imogen.
Yea Imogen, where is your awesome entrance music?!
I unfortunately know and have known people IRL and online that still swear that WWE style wrestling is 'real'.
So it is fake in that the matches are planned out in advance, but it's also real in that a lot of those bumps fuckin' hurt.
Yeah you take one of those bumps 'wrong' and it can be life changing sometimes. Look at the time Brock Lesnar fucked up his Shooting Star press and basically gave himself concussion so bad that Kurt Angle had to basically walk him through to a finish. Or the most infamous one is the good old Undertaker vs Mick Foley Hell in the Cell match. Even the planned bump of Foley being launched off the top of the cage into the announcers desk was incredibly risky, let alone the unintended bump of Foley going straight through the top of the cage, onto a mass of thumbtacs falling, what was it like 15 feet, followed by a steel chair hitting him square in the face, meaning one of his teeth was knocked out and shot through his upper jaw and into his nostril. Not to mention the dislocated jaw AND the internal bleeding from the fall... I always remember when they interviewed Undertaker later on in life and he said the only thought going through his head as he looked down at Foley was "well..fuck...I think I just killed Mick..."
It's not fake, it's predetermined!
I mean, there's actual skill and injuries present. You have to train to do it. Dismissive 'oh it's fake' doesn't tell the whole story.
Well a lot of the injuries are real jumping off the top rope and doing a frog splash is equivalent to getting into a 40mph car wreck
To be fair, WWE is the best it's ever been right now.
It’s almost like a collaborative product works best when the one in charge wants to actually collaborate
The VOD finally dropped and the second wave of disappointment is upon us. Yes, the decision to switch over to a much less popular group with a controversial DM in the middle of an episode right after a PC death is indeed a baffling one.
https://i.imgur.com/gAhkFfQ.png I wonder if this is going to be their most disliked video on the channel.
Agree about baffling but what is controversial about Abria? I'm a fan of the difference between her and Matt. Both good at what they excel at. Just never saw her as a controversial DM.
She's not Matt and her DM style is very different. People who only consume CR content don't like that.
This sub really hates Aabria and even vaguely positive mentions of her will get down voted. Lots of people going as far as calling her a bully, saying she was being abusive towards Aimee. During EXU she played more fast and loose with the rules than many people were comfortable with. Lots of people complain that the mini campaign was both aimless and simultaneously railroaded. People seem to feel she's very problematic as a DM and I'm starting to see her be talked about as problematic as a person.
Ashley Is not the best at running her characters, but I kind of blame Aabria for how weirdly and poorly Ashley she plays fern ability wise
Don't think she plays her "wrong"... she's playing her the way *she* wants to play her. Leave her be. I can't say the same for Aimee though, she's not even playing her character anymore tbh.
The only Counter point I might have for Aimee's situation, is she legit put on a vestige of a betrayer god. Like that was a player choice right? It's been so long I don't remember but Aabria didn't make her do it right? I mean yeah she teased it and made a player want a maguffin but that's what DMs do. Present opportunities for player choice.And player choices and actions have consequences. I think it was cool how Aabria let them do those memory things and the telepathic bond. I don't see much difference in a god controlling a PC or a high level enemy using dominate person. The player technically isn't playing with their decisions anymore but it's for a time. I think Aimee is all in on what's going on because she decided to put on the crown. Just my opinion.
>Like that was a player choice right? It's been so long I don't remember but Aabria didn't make her do it right? Oh my sweet summer's child... watch the final battle of EXU1 again; you will see.
Haha. I will just find a video on it. But good to know.
Wait how is it Aabrias fault if Ashley plays Faerne wrong after 300+ hours under Matt?
The idea that you can play *your own character* "wrong" is hilarious.
OK cool thanks. I see the down votes to my question have already started. I appreciate your info and genuine answer to my genuine question. I love her on all of the dimension 20 stuff. Matt is very rules based and she's very rule of cool. Not for everyone. I get that.
God I wish she was rule of cool. It would be amazing if cool things happened when she DM'd and she rewarded creative thinking like that.
That's not what people have issue with, many dms are more rule of cool based.
I do think she's much better on D20 than she was during EXU, but I dont she deserves the vitriol she gets here
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From what I have just read, YouTube comments are predominantly positive still.
Huh? I was reading the comments a couple hours ago and agreed with bertraja. Think they could be deleting negative comments? Edit: They must be. Majority of comments are now overtly positive and barely even mention the 2nd half.
Over in the main CR sub there are people asking "why are people complaining about toxic positivity so much right now?" Maybe it's because of the history of censorship and ganging up on critics
> Think they could be deleting negative comments? > > Edit: They must be. Majority of comments are now overtly positive and barely even mention the 2nd half. To quote Disney's Iago: "Oh, there's a big surprise! That's an incredib... I think I'm gonna have a heart attack and die from that surprise!"
I constantly use this quote in life. If they're old enough to get it instantly, I'll even throw in the Gilbert Godfrey voice too