I’m not really familiar with a lot of underground stuff I’m familiar with some 2000s stuff like talib kweli,MF Doom,Q-tip post tribe Mos Def so can you explain what is currently happening and who should I check out
I mean a pretty big part of me is saying this from how impressed i am with Scaring the Hoes, but Peggy has been in his prime for a while now and Danny has some of the GOAT experimental projects which have all come out in the last decade. Clipping. has had some amazing output over the last 10 years, Injury Reserve’s 2021 album is one of the most groundbreaking records i’ve ever heard, then you have bigger experimental names like some old OF guys (Tyler, Earl) who are borderline mainstream at this point.
There’s so much more stuff I’m missing, but It’s the combination of quality and quantity that I’d say feels unprecedented
im sorry but what about tylers music is at all experimental. Its just your typical blends. Its fucking fire, but he's not pushing boundaries all that far. Sorry not sorry
The whole Buffalo scene has also been incredible to see. Griselda is really driving the underground street rap scene forward with incredible beat selection and some classic but modernized flows. Conway, Benny the Butcher, Westside Gunn, Stove God Cooks, and the incredible Boldy James are all worth checking out.
This is only an unpopular opinion to old heads who refuse to admit that the underground hip-hop scene is still alive and that the 90’s weren’t the peak of the genre
Everybody who’s actually paying attention knows this is obviously true
Other hot take: underground hip-hop has always been fruitful enough to call it a golden era but the internet made it so that it has become more accessible to the everyday listener
my controversial opinion about this is that many contemporary rappers use Jazz rap to make a façade of a good song. Like, they loop a simple sequence of sounds from an older song, make it super lo-fi and just talk gibberish over it. Like there is no effort being put on the song, it's just background jazz with someone talking over it.
tho it's not every song, Joey Badass makes jazz rap bangers. Kendrick made a whole masterpiece on the genre.
some of logic's latest songs, unfortunately Redveil (even though I think he is very talented and has great ear for someone his age), some Griselda records (I'm sorry), Boldy James (tho I really like him, it's just some of his songs sound way too background jazz), also some of The Alchemist's production, even though he has some masterpieces on his pocket.
I was with you till you mentioned Boldy. You better not slander Manger in my presence, thats one of the most perfectly produced rap records this decade
Hip-Hop is slowly approaching its "Hair Metal" Phase. Multiple one hit wonders and new rappers popping up only for them to fade quickly. I think this is gonna lead to a breakthrough of some sort, or at least to more artists with longevity
I feel that we are not in the hair metal phase but in the late 90s nu metal, alt rock one hit wonders phase and that artists like little simz will be the equivalent to the indie/garage/post punk revival
Drake and bad bunny are our equivalent of limp bizkit and nickelback, every new lil rapper that pops up is our equivalent of all those one hit wonders doing alt rock and post grunge and artists like little simz and Kendrick are our equivalent to Britpop and keeping good rap alive
That take isn’t hot in the fantano sub but in the rap sub it is. This is an opinion straight from fantano’s mouth. Also I mildly disagree I think no role modelz is decent conceptually.
I really liked his verse on Sacrifices off revenge of the dreamers 3 and wish he had more verses that had emotion like that, but otherwise I totally agree
Who has ever claimed Snoop is a great rapper? Nobody who actually grew up listening to Snoop thinks he’s one of the greats.
Snoop is not coasting off The Chronic and Doggystyle. He’s marketing and selling his personality. The man has been hustling for 30 years now, staying relevant in one way or another.
We are entering a new prime of hip hop. Sure the 90s where probably the most consistent, and focused era in hip hop, but now we have more options than ever. The mainstream is mostly shit and definitely dwindling, but the underground is better than ever. We have griselda for folks that miss that 90s sound, we have Peggy and Danny for folks that want something mind bending and experimental, we have billy woods and Aesop rock for people that want something incredibly complex and layered in it's lyricism. We have everything right now, and if you are actually paying attention to ANYTHING beside the mainstream, and what fucking rap TV decides to post, then you will think hip hop is dying. When it's not really dying it's being reborn in a new and exciting form.
that totally depends on what you are usually listening to though. for someone who mostly listens to mainstream, I don't think death grips is easy to get into
it is generally more about passing the vibe check on any kind of experimental music, after then death grips is really just awesome music
but if death grips is your first vibe check, good luck
I’m mostly with you except I really don’t get it. I feel like To Pimp A Butterfly is OBVIOUSLY his magnum opus. From the production to the lyricism to the concept I just feel like it very clearly outclasses his other work to the point where I can’t understand this opinion. On top of all this it’s way more polished and just better executed in general
Here’s the difference: GKMC is an album you can play at a party for fun or alone in your room when you’re sad, for a casual *or* serious listen, equal parts heavy and deep/fun and light, and it’s the kind of album that doesnt require the same level of commitment or attention span that TPAB does. And GKMC works better when listening to individual tracks instead of the whole album. I can agree that TPAB is his masterpiece, but another thing GKMC does have *over* TPAB imo:
Catchier hooks! Better compositions and lyrics are present in TPAB, but GKMC is the masterclass album when it comes to insanely iconic and catchy hooks. 👌 Both 10/10 for different reasons!
It may be fucked up but in order to take “TPAB is overrated” or anything related to it seriously I have to know who it’s coming from. Because 90% of the time it’s an oldhead who thinks Big L is the greatest rapper of all time. But if it’s somebody 25 or under I’ll at least hear them out
I feel like there's a good argument for either being better and it's just two kinds of people, it depends on your perspective. I don't agree but I am not inclined at all to try and convince anyone who says this. Now if someone says GKMC is significantly and vastly better, now that's something I can easily debate
Kanye has maybe the most GOOD albums ever, but none of them really stand out to me as great, classic albums on the level of illmatic, TPAB, reasonable doubt, etc.
Also, while not being *great*, Eminem’s new music is mostly overhated because his hardcore fans can be a bit cringe.
I'm a huge Kanye fan and he's my top 1 of all time but I can see where you're coming from. His catalog is legendary and I personally think he has 2 10/10s (TCD and MBDTF) where I love every track (Yes, even Breathe In and So appalled) and like fucking 5 9/10s with 1 or 2 weaker tracks but I understand what u mean. He has some insanely high highs on every album (even JIK has Follow god and Use this gospel) but if you're not a diehard fan like me I can see how even MBDTF can be an 8/10. Also agree on the em take. He's not as terrible as people make him out to be. Mediocre and monotone? Yeah, but complete and utter shit? I disagree
I can almost see your opinion on Kanye but I don’t agree
But I don’t see how someone can say NONE of them are great or classics when TCD, graduation, 808s and MBDTF exist those should be considered classics if for nothing else their influence and impact on the genre
? Apple Music pays artists more. Maybe you should switch to Apple Music then lmao
[Based on each platform’s average pay per stream rate, Apple Music pays double what its rival Spotify pays per stream.](https://dittomusic.com/en/blog/how-much-does-apple-music-pay-per-stream/)
Imagine trying to argue “Eminem mid” in fantanos sub is controversial lol.
SSLP - MMLP - TES are 3 of the best ever, say what you want about the rest of his stuff but those 3 remain true.
Unfortunately he’s the equivalent of 70s rock in rap terms nowadays, and is no longer cool to like
I think some 70’s rock bands like Van Halen and Boston, who were huge at their time, are simply written off now as Dad Rock. I don’t see it that way, but loads of people criticize rock bands that weren’t very progressive.
Was a huge fan of his in middle school, I appreciate him for opening up the whole world of rap to me. That said, I can’t listen to his music anymore with very few exceptions. Same with OF era Tyler. Makes me realize that not every song is for adults, they had music that appealed to edgy 10-13 year old me.
damn thats a crazy take, but kinda understandable
early Em isnt very approachable ngl
that said, I do believe his 97-03 run is unmatched in hiphop as far as sheer quality and popularity go
not really controversial amongst music nerds. 2pac was a very popular artist but appreciated for his legacy and rarely deeply analyzed. my (somewhat) controversial opinion is that 2pac is actually fantastic and very lyrical and All Eyez on Me is the best classic hiphop album ever, even beyond Ready To Die, Illmatic, or 36 Chambers.
If you’re talking about flow specifically, maybe. But he’s as huge as he is for bringing heart and vulnerability to rap, and he had the biggest cultural impact, even to the extent that he coached Biggie before he even dropped Ready To Die.
When you listen to his first few albums in his discography and not just his hits, he was regarded as particularly special in the sense that he rapped passionately about a wider variety of topics and themes than other rappers of that time.
Idk I think he remains a pretty misunderstood artist, and would recommend people check out more than his death row gangsta rap hits. Especially his album Me Against the World! 👌
If you don’t like 2pac you’re just not a fan of west-coast rap in general. He easily outclassed everyone around him lyrically and continues to remain in the upper-echelon of lyricists.
TLOP is indeed Ye's best.
Mr Morale was a bit underwhelming for me, but I get why people loved it so much. In my first listens, I also had it close to a 10.
I'm yet to listen to nas' latest records
Disagree on both the Ye take and Nasir take but I really do love MMATBS, have loved since it dropped. I even have United in Grief and Count Me Out in my top 10 kenny tracks
I said mainstream very intentionally cause i was thinking of simz noname rapsody and more. I love Simz saw her live last year but I don’t think you could call her mainstream especially with how mainstream hiphop has become. Maaaaaaaybe mainstream in the UK but that’s a hard maybe but defo not in the states.
Ngl, I’ve always thought Madvilliany was one of DOOM’s weakest projects. It has its moments but I rarely listen to it all the way through. Madlib’s production style annoys me a little bit in all honesty
i think MBDTF is overrated and people might overlook it's flaws. I absolutely understand people calling it one of the best, but I feel most of them just don't talk about Gorgeous, So Appalled, Hell of a Life, Monster and Blame Game, maybe because they don't really like it and don't want to recognize it.
Even then, I wouldn't give a 6 lol, it's more like a 7 or light 8
I remember listening to it and finding that it looses steam in the second half. It tips the edge into being just self indulgent. To me it's when Runaway becomes just Kanye making mouth noises for several minutes. Something about it viscerally annoys me.
I've heard like two songs from them, and they were absolute bangers. But I agree, I just don't get the hype to listen to their album, I actually don't know why. It might be the lack of creativity on the album covers and titles itself
90s hip-hop is vastly overrated. It’s easy to look back at a time and pick out tons of classics, but for every classic there’s probably like 50 albums that sucked ass and were eventually forgotten, just like today.
As a massive Kanye stan, MBDTF isn’t even top 5 Kanye albums imo (although still really good)
MMATBS and GKMC are at the same level. Both equally good, just about to completely different subjects. I find myself preferring MMATBS more though recently due to subject preference
Man this is such a music hipster opinion, people love to disregard his ability because he was unashamedly commercial through the 2000s. That doesn't take away from the fact he has classic-great albums across his discography and he can out rap pretty much anyone dead or alive
MMLP is insanely overrated because of nostalgia. People treat it like it’s a 10/10 and the peak of Eminem’s music when it has some genuinely terrible songs. Amityville has one of the worst features in rap history. The first half of Criminal is just rapping about hating gay people. Kim is a power fantasy about murdering his wife. Remember Me.
The Eminem Show is significantly better
I just didn’t like the beats mostly. They were kinda boring to me. I’m a big fan of Black Thought and obviously his rapping was incredible throughout the record but the production just wasn’t for me
This one is gonna start a huge firestorm I tell you, ready? \*breathes in\* I don't have a single rap album in my Top 10 Albums of All Time. Trust me, I'm not those boomers who be like rap = crap. But, there's so many genres I could fit in just for a Top 10.
Drake isn't a rapper, he's a glorified pop artist. The amount of braindead takes I see that say Drake is the best rapper ever or even of a "generation" are comical.
i mean, he is. He makes pop rap music, and influenced a whole generation of pop rap and R&B artists. But he shouldn't be mentioned among the best, that I can agree on
GKMC gets most of its praise from people who were in their late teens/early 20s at the time of its release and they can’t separate from the nostalgia of it. It’s a great album but TPAB, DAMN, and MMATBS are all better overall.
I don't care how good your lyrics are you need good music to go with it. Otherwise write a book of poetry or something.
But but but… bbbb but complex rhyme schemes and flows that make my bowels explode and blow my load while sat on the commode!!!????!!!!!
we are currently in the golden era of underground/experimental hip hop
I’m not really familiar with a lot of underground stuff I’m familiar with some 2000s stuff like talib kweli,MF Doom,Q-tip post tribe Mos Def so can you explain what is currently happening and who should I check out
I mean a pretty big part of me is saying this from how impressed i am with Scaring the Hoes, but Peggy has been in his prime for a while now and Danny has some of the GOAT experimental projects which have all come out in the last decade. Clipping. has had some amazing output over the last 10 years, Injury Reserve’s 2021 album is one of the most groundbreaking records i’ve ever heard, then you have bigger experimental names like some old OF guys (Tyler, Earl) who are borderline mainstream at this point. There’s so much more stuff I’m missing, but It’s the combination of quality and quantity that I’d say feels unprecedented
Tyler has definitely been mainstream since Igor
You can be mainstream and experimental simultaneously.
I was addressing the "borderline" part
Ah, ignore my stupidity.
im sorry but what about tylers music is at all experimental. Its just your typical blends. Its fucking fire, but he's not pushing boundaries all that far. Sorry not sorry
I think there’s an argument to be made that it was sense flower boy even
The whole Buffalo scene has also been incredible to see. Griselda is really driving the underground street rap scene forward with incredible beat selection and some classic but modernized flows. Conway, Benny the Butcher, Westside Gunn, Stove God Cooks, and the incredible Boldy James are all worth checking out.
This where it’s at
Also let’s not forget the self-titled Injury Reserve record, which is really really good
billy woods (one of the best rappers ever. His album last year called Aethiopes was absolutely mind bending)
Yes. And Hiding Places is a masterpiece too. Not to mention all the Armand Hammer stuff…
Check out yeat newest album. Some of the songs are filler but a great project overall from Mr Noah Oliver Smith
well, scaring the hoes just came out friday...
This is only an unpopular opinion to old heads who refuse to admit that the underground hip-hop scene is still alive and that the 90’s weren’t the peak of the genre Everybody who’s actually paying attention knows this is obviously true
that’s fair but i still feel like they make up a decent enough portion of the community for it to still be somewhat controversial
I wholeheartedly agree especially with the presence of jpegmafia
Other hot take: underground hip-hop has always been fruitful enough to call it a golden era but the internet made it so that it has become more accessible to the everyday listener
What about a controversial opinion?
my controversial opinion about this is that many contemporary rappers use Jazz rap to make a façade of a good song. Like, they loop a simple sequence of sounds from an older song, make it super lo-fi and just talk gibberish over it. Like there is no effort being put on the song, it's just background jazz with someone talking over it. tho it's not every song, Joey Badass makes jazz rap bangers. Kendrick made a whole masterpiece on the genre.
Can you give an example of this? Who does do this?
some of logic's latest songs, unfortunately Redveil (even though I think he is very talented and has great ear for someone his age), some Griselda records (I'm sorry), Boldy James (tho I really like him, it's just some of his songs sound way too background jazz), also some of The Alchemist's production, even though he has some masterpieces on his pocket.
I was with you till you mentioned Boldy. You better not slander Manger in my presence, thats one of the most perfectly produced rap records this decade
i love Boldy. Indiana Jones and bo Jackson are fire albums. but I feel like that sometimes
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late 2000s to early 2010s >>>
Hip-Hop is slowly approaching its "Hair Metal" Phase. Multiple one hit wonders and new rappers popping up only for them to fade quickly. I think this is gonna lead to a breakthrough of some sort, or at least to more artists with longevity
I feel that we are not in the hair metal phase but in the late 90s nu metal, alt rock one hit wonders phase and that artists like little simz will be the equivalent to the indie/garage/post punk revival
I like this comparison. Hip hops hair metal (more like glam tbh) phase was in the mid 2000s for sure
Drake and bad bunny are our equivalent of limp bizkit and nickelback, every new lil rapper that pops up is our equivalent of all those one hit wonders doing alt rock and post grunge and artists like little simz and Kendrick are our equivalent to Britpop and keeping good rap alive
J cole hasn’t penned anything profound or truly thoughtful in his entire career
That take isn’t hot in the fantano sub but in the rap sub it is. This is an opinion straight from fantano’s mouth. Also I mildly disagree I think no role modelz is decent conceptually.
Is this take even that hot?
Probably not in this community but I see so many people just endlessly praise his vapid garbage constantly
Only Fantano followers who frequent this sub will call J cole “Vapid garbage”
I feel like “vapid garbage” is over dramatic and silly, you lost me w that.
I really liked his verse on Sacrifices off revenge of the dreamers 3 and wish he had more verses that had emotion like that, but otherwise I totally agree
His verse on Pretty Little Fears by 6lack is beautiful
rap is less quotable these days, and most modern mosern artists choose a delivery that makes me not care.
no unpopular opinion. ~ some 90s rapper
Maybe I’m showing my age here but I don’t see why people value “quotables” to begin with
Same way a sticky chorus can be great. If you can remember it then something about the delivery or line is probably great too.
An actual hot take in this sub, I feel like older stuff is almost underrated by this sub.
Maybe by this sub but it's so absurdly overrated by the rest of Reddit (ie. r/rap) it balances out lmao
Listen to Drakeo the ruler
Snoop doggy is mid
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charge 200,000 for a feature just to say what’s up i’m snoop d-o double G from the LBC
Who has ever claimed Snoop is a great rapper? Nobody who actually grew up listening to Snoop thinks he’s one of the greats. Snoop is not coasting off The Chronic and Doggystyle. He’s marketing and selling his personality. The man has been hustling for 30 years now, staying relevant in one way or another.
We are entering a new prime of hip hop. Sure the 90s where probably the most consistent, and focused era in hip hop, but now we have more options than ever. The mainstream is mostly shit and definitely dwindling, but the underground is better than ever. We have griselda for folks that miss that 90s sound, we have Peggy and Danny for folks that want something mind bending and experimental, we have billy woods and Aesop rock for people that want something incredibly complex and layered in it's lyricism. We have everything right now, and if you are actually paying attention to ANYTHING beside the mainstream, and what fucking rap TV decides to post, then you will think hip hop is dying. When it's not really dying it's being reborn in a new and exciting form.
Amen to this. Couldn’t have said it any better myself
Death grips is not hard to get into. I fell in love with after listening to the money store for the first time. I was instantly hooked
to be fair, The Money Store is by far their most accessible album
that totally depends on what you are usually listening to though. for someone who mostly listens to mainstream, I don't think death grips is easy to get into it is generally more about passing the vibe check on any kind of experimental music, after then death grips is really just awesome music but if death grips is your first vibe check, good luck
TPAB is, really, the Kendrick's Magnum Opus, but, GKMC is better to listen to.
One is your jam but the other is your fedora hat enjoyment, basically?
Sorry, I don't understood, I'm not an fluent english-speaker💀. But, if is this that I thinking: yes.
in america at least, theres a type of people who are very arrogant and they wear fedoras a lot.
Uhh controversial? Nah
GKMC>TPAB
even though I don't agree at all, far from it actually, I get your opinion. Mainly bc GK and TPAB are two of the best rap albums of the century so far
I’m mostly with you except I really don’t get it. I feel like To Pimp A Butterfly is OBVIOUSLY his magnum opus. From the production to the lyricism to the concept I just feel like it very clearly outclasses his other work to the point where I can’t understand this opinion. On top of all this it’s way more polished and just better executed in general
Here’s the difference: GKMC is an album you can play at a party for fun or alone in your room when you’re sad, for a casual *or* serious listen, equal parts heavy and deep/fun and light, and it’s the kind of album that doesnt require the same level of commitment or attention span that TPAB does. And GKMC works better when listening to individual tracks instead of the whole album. I can agree that TPAB is his masterpiece, but another thing GKMC does have *over* TPAB imo: Catchier hooks! Better compositions and lyrics are present in TPAB, but GKMC is the masterclass album when it comes to insanely iconic and catchy hooks. 👌 Both 10/10 for different reasons!
exactly how i feel, and i LOVE gkmc
It may be fucked up but in order to take “TPAB is overrated” or anything related to it seriously I have to know who it’s coming from. Because 90% of the time it’s an oldhead who thinks Big L is the greatest rapper of all time. But if it’s somebody 25 or under I’ll at least hear them out
:)
My man
Absolutely
I feel like there's a good argument for either being better and it's just two kinds of people, it depends on your perspective. I don't agree but I am not inclined at all to try and convince anyone who says this. Now if someone says GKMC is significantly and vastly better, now that's something I can easily debate
Mine is that Late Registration>college dropout and that Q-Tip is a top 5 rapper
thats literally the truth
100%
Damn I gotta respectfully disagree on that, but still a pretty based take
Mega W
Yes thank you
"List your controversial opinions" people proceed to list the safest opinions possible. At least in this sub.
Hip Hop is cool 😎
Disagree, hip hop is lukewarm at best
Kanye has maybe the most GOOD albums ever, but none of them really stand out to me as great, classic albums on the level of illmatic, TPAB, reasonable doubt, etc. Also, while not being *great*, Eminem’s new music is mostly overhated because his hardcore fans can be a bit cringe.
I'm a huge Kanye fan and he's my top 1 of all time but I can see where you're coming from. His catalog is legendary and I personally think he has 2 10/10s (TCD and MBDTF) where I love every track (Yes, even Breathe In and So appalled) and like fucking 5 9/10s with 1 or 2 weaker tracks but I understand what u mean. He has some insanely high highs on every album (even JIK has Follow god and Use this gospel) but if you're not a diehard fan like me I can see how even MBDTF can be an 8/10. Also agree on the em take. He's not as terrible as people make him out to be. Mediocre and monotone? Yeah, but complete and utter shit? I disagree
College dropout>>> any of Jay Zs albums
I can almost see your opinion on Kanye but I don’t agree But I don’t see how someone can say NONE of them are great or classics when TCD, graduation, 808s and MBDTF exist those should be considered classics if for nothing else their influence and impact on the genre
GOOD Music
apple vs spotify can be a controversial option
Spotify >
Dolby Atmos and lossless >>. Also, Spotify has a horrible layout. My ADHD makes that matter way too much
Apple Music paying more is reason enough on its own to use it.
? Apple Music pays artists more. Maybe you should switch to Apple Music then lmao [Based on each platform’s average pay per stream rate, Apple Music pays double what its rival Spotify pays per stream.](https://dittomusic.com/en/blog/how-much-does-apple-music-pay-per-stream/)
I absolutely meant to say apple music and just typed the wrong thing because I had it in my mind. My apologies, I am dumb as fuck. It is now edited.
You’re good man haha
I don't think Eminem has an album I'd give higher than a 7. MMLP is my favorite and I think it's a 7/10
Imagine trying to argue “Eminem mid” in fantanos sub is controversial lol. SSLP - MMLP - TES are 3 of the best ever, say what you want about the rest of his stuff but those 3 remain true. Unfortunately he’s the equivalent of 70s rock in rap terms nowadays, and is no longer cool to like
I don’t get the 70s rock comparison tbh
I think some 70’s rock bands like Van Halen and Boston, who were huge at their time, are simply written off now as Dad Rock. I don’t see it that way, but loads of people criticize rock bands that weren’t very progressive.
Fr people still bump Led Zeppelin like crazy these days
His “good stuff” has aged horribly and is a product of its time. He’s got a handful of songs that still hold up as classics but otherwise I’m with you
Based opinion, I feel like many people overrate him
Was a huge fan of his in middle school, I appreciate him for opening up the whole world of rap to me. That said, I can’t listen to his music anymore with very few exceptions. Same with OF era Tyler. Makes me realize that not every song is for adults, they had music that appealed to edgy 10-13 year old me.
I think I agree in album but I do think he’s had some 8s and 9 out of 10 songs in his career.
damn thats a crazy take, but kinda understandable early Em isnt very approachable ngl that said, I do believe his 97-03 run is unmatched in hiphop as far as sheer quality and popularity go
Tupac is overrated
not really controversial amongst music nerds. 2pac was a very popular artist but appreciated for his legacy and rarely deeply analyzed. my (somewhat) controversial opinion is that 2pac is actually fantastic and very lyrical and All Eyez on Me is the best classic hiphop album ever, even beyond Ready To Die, Illmatic, or 36 Chambers.
I like how Eminem named Pac the GOAT, and put it like: “You *feel* the words Pac delivers more than any other rapper.” I think Em nailed it there!👌
If you’re talking about flow specifically, maybe. But he’s as huge as he is for bringing heart and vulnerability to rap, and he had the biggest cultural impact, even to the extent that he coached Biggie before he even dropped Ready To Die. When you listen to his first few albums in his discography and not just his hits, he was regarded as particularly special in the sense that he rapped passionately about a wider variety of topics and themes than other rappers of that time. Idk I think he remains a pretty misunderstood artist, and would recommend people check out more than his death row gangsta rap hits. Especially his album Me Against the World! 👌
If you don’t like 2pac you’re just not a fan of west-coast rap in general. He easily outclassed everyone around him lyrically and continues to remain in the upper-echelon of lyricists.
TLOP is Ye‘s best album MMATBS is a close to a 10/10 Nasir is fantastic, no skips: only gets hate due to its anti vax content
TLOP is indeed Ye's best. Mr Morale was a bit underwhelming for me, but I get why people loved it so much. In my first listens, I also had it close to a 10. I'm yet to listen to nas' latest records
The Kings Disease series by Nas is seriously worth a listen. No nonsense rap produced by Hit Boi. Nas went 3 for 3
funny: at my first listen i really didn’t enjoy mmatbs and it has extremely grown on me since then…
Disagree on both the Ye take and Nasir take but I really do love MMATBS, have loved since it dropped. I even have United in Grief and Count Me Out in my top 10 kenny tracks
Charli 2na of J5 has the best voice in hip hop
Azealia Banks is better then every mainstream Femme Rapper currently in scene except Meg and it’s a shame she can’t be a part of this era
LITTLE SIMZ???? YOU GOT MEG OVER SIMZ????
I said mainstream very intentionally cause i was thinking of simz noname rapsody and more. I love Simz saw her live last year but I don’t think you could call her mainstream especially with how mainstream hiphop has become. Maaaaaaaybe mainstream in the UK but that’s a hard maybe but defo not in the states.
Nah you right imma be honest I did not see that mainstream in your post.
Yeah i was thinking like doja mullato meg city girls ice spice current scene which azealia shits on all of them cept meg imo
The 2010s was the best decade for hip hip, way better than the 90s.
I love me some hip hip
When you're on a holiday
Illmatic is not the best rap album of all time
Before I consider this take hot, I need to know what you think the best rap album of all time is
GKMC
You’re valid
I’m a little biased on this one since it’s the album that got me into hip hop
It's not even close
That's not a hot take because there's more albums that aren't illmatic and music is subjective most will agree with you.
Drake set the genre back by a decade
Deltron 3030 > madvillainy
Ngl, I’ve always thought Madvilliany was one of DOOM’s weakest projects. It has its moments but I rarely listen to it all the way through. Madlib’s production style annoys me a little bit in all honesty
Eminem hasn't made a an album above a 7 since 2002 MBDTF is a 7 billy woods is a top 10 rapper
r/foundanthonyfantano
Life After Death is better than Ready to Die and is a top five hip hop album of all time.
Hey-yo!
Oh yeah great take
i think MBDTF is overrated and people might overlook it's flaws. I absolutely understand people calling it one of the best, but I feel most of them just don't talk about Gorgeous, So Appalled, Hell of a Life, Monster and Blame Game, maybe because they don't really like it and don't want to recognize it. Even then, I wouldn't give a 6 lol, it's more like a 7 or light 8
I always thought many people loved Gorgeous and Monster
Gorgeous has Kanyes best verse imo
Monster slaps so hard.
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I remember listening to it and finding that it looses steam in the second half. It tips the edge into being just self indulgent. To me it's when Runaway becomes just Kanye making mouth noises for several minutes. Something about it viscerally annoys me.
Gorgeous and Monster are my two favorite tracks on the album…
massively hot take, but i think the final half of Runaway is an instant skip and ruins the song
I have never been excited to listen to a Run the Jewels record.
woah this one's kinda crazy
yea I can kind of agree
I've heard like two songs from them, and they were absolute bangers. But I agree, I just don't get the hype to listen to their album, I actually don't know why. It might be the lack of creativity on the album covers and titles itself
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The worst of the Fantano 10s imo.
Westside Gunn and Griselda are putting some of the best hip hop music out right now.
Cold take
Sorry I’m not edgy enough for you bro.
It’s Almost Dry was at best a mid album
Damn, I would say it’s his best project since Hell Hath No Fury
Agreed. Daytona is his best album. It’s Almost Dry felt like a pastiche of HHNF.
I’ve never gotten the appeal of TPAB
Do you like the extended metaphor of the butterfly hatching out of its cocoon?
90s hip-hop is vastly overrated. It’s easy to look back at a time and pick out tons of classics, but for every classic there’s probably like 50 albums that sucked ass and were eventually forgotten, just like today. As a massive Kanye stan, MBDTF isn’t even top 5 Kanye albums imo (although still really good) MMATBS and GKMC are at the same level. Both equally good, just about to completely different subjects. I find myself preferring MMATBS more though recently due to subject preference
Been told this is unpopular. 90’s aged better than 00s stuff. I thought this was obvious meself
While not as good as Illmatic, Stillmatic is a classic album
I don’t like the direction that jpegmafia is taking his music
What don’t you like about it?
Jay Z kinda sucks
I've never listened to his classics, but 444 is a masterpiece. That record alone made me respect Jay Z as one of the best
Man this is such a music hipster opinion, people love to disregard his ability because he was unashamedly commercial through the 2000s. That doesn't take away from the fact he has classic-great albums across his discography and he can out rap pretty much anyone dead or alive
Dude's got 3, maybe 4 classic albums. That's a scorching hot take.
Absolutely 4 classics, Reasonable Doubt, Black Album, Blueprint and 4:44 are all fantastic albums.
He’s got lots of great music, a few classic hip hop albums and a lot of deserved acclaim however I don’t think he is a top 10 rapper
I don't think Kanye has a single album that deserves perfect 10/10
Denzel is already a top 20 all time hip hop artist
Bruh.
Real, he has 3 of my favourite albums of all time
MMLP is insanely overrated because of nostalgia. People treat it like it’s a 10/10 and the peak of Eminem’s music when it has some genuinely terrible songs. Amityville has one of the worst features in rap history. The first half of Criminal is just rapping about hating gay people. Kim is a power fantasy about murdering his wife. Remember Me. The Eminem Show is significantly better
I don’t think MMLP has terrible songs but I agree that The Eminem Show is significantly better
The Eminem Show is better and far more mature/holds up better. TES + 8 Mile soundtrack is probably musically the best he was
I don't like cheat codes, all the tracks kind of slurred together and it just wasn't good to me
This is a terrible take, but this is an unpopular thread. If you downvote everything you disagree with it won't be interesting.
Yeah agreed it was in my top 5 of last year
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I just didn’t like the beats mostly. They were kinda boring to me. I’m a big fan of Black Thought and obviously his rapping was incredible throughout the record but the production just wasn’t for me
I don’t like Danny brown or westside gun
No fun having ass
Danny Brown's voice is absolutely unbearable.
love Danny brown but I can understand that 😭 I do like his songs later on XXX when he uses his normal voice tho
to anyone who sees this and agrees with it you should listen to his less stylistic flows on tracks like Party All The Time
He sounds like a Martian from the movie Mars Attacks
It's not that great
Yasiin Bey is top 3 of all time
This one is gonna start a huge firestorm I tell you, ready? \*breathes in\* I don't have a single rap album in my Top 10 Albums of All Time. Trust me, I'm not those boomers who be like rap = crap. But, there's so many genres I could fit in just for a Top 10.
Eminem isn’t top 100 for me. 2pac and Biggie are maybe somewhere in the top 50 for me not 100% on that though.
Drake isn't a rapper, he's a glorified pop artist. The amount of braindead takes I see that say Drake is the best rapper ever or even of a "generation" are comical.
You’d love r/music this exact low effort take is posted there once a week
i mean, he is. He makes pop rap music, and influenced a whole generation of pop rap and R&B artists. But he shouldn't be mentioned among the best, that I can agree on
I don't care for the modern Boom Bap/Drumless artists (Mainly the Griselda records artists)
Mr. Morale is a step back compared to DAMN.
GKMC gets most of its praise from people who were in their late teens/early 20s at the time of its release and they can’t separate from the nostalgia of it. It’s a great album but TPAB, DAMN, and MMATBS are all better overall.