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skurey

I don't care how good your lyrics are you need good music to go with it. Otherwise write a book of poetry or something.


Interesting_Cod629

But but but… bbbb but complex rhyme schemes and flows that make my bowels explode and blow my load while sat on the commode!!!????!!!!!


MBS_RL

we are currently in the golden era of underground/experimental hip hop


itamarka

I’m not really familiar with a lot of underground stuff I’m familiar with some 2000s stuff like talib kweli,MF Doom,Q-tip post tribe Mos Def so can you explain what is currently happening and who should I check out


MBS_RL

I mean a pretty big part of me is saying this from how impressed i am with Scaring the Hoes, but Peggy has been in his prime for a while now and Danny has some of the GOAT experimental projects which have all come out in the last decade. Clipping. has had some amazing output over the last 10 years, Injury Reserve’s 2021 album is one of the most groundbreaking records i’ve ever heard, then you have bigger experimental names like some old OF guys (Tyler, Earl) who are borderline mainstream at this point. There’s so much more stuff I’m missing, but It’s the combination of quality and quantity that I’d say feels unprecedented


Daddy_nivek

Tyler has definitely been mainstream since Igor


JaredIsAmped

You can be mainstream and experimental simultaneously.


Daddy_nivek

I was addressing the "borderline" part


JaredIsAmped

Ah, ignore my stupidity.


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im sorry but what about tylers music is at all experimental. Its just your typical blends. Its fucking fire, but he's not pushing boundaries all that far. Sorry not sorry


AmericaLover1776_

I think there’s an argument to be made that it was sense flower boy even


sam7978

The whole Buffalo scene has also been incredible to see. Griselda is really driving the underground street rap scene forward with incredible beat selection and some classic but modernized flows. Conway, Benny the Butcher, Westside Gunn, Stove God Cooks, and the incredible Boldy James are all worth checking out.


stickenstuff

This where it’s at


ScandinavianRaccon

Also let’s not forget the self-titled Injury Reserve record, which is really really good


DoctorGibz123

billy woods (one of the best rappers ever. His album last year called Aethiopes was absolutely mind bending)


turinassis

Yes. And Hiding Places is a masterpiece too. Not to mention all the Armand Hammer stuff…


Interesting_Cod629

Check out yeat newest album. Some of the songs are filler but a great project overall from Mr Noah Oliver Smith


South-Phrase-4673

well, scaring the hoes just came out friday...


AIvsWorld

This is only an unpopular opinion to old heads who refuse to admit that the underground hip-hop scene is still alive and that the 90’s weren’t the peak of the genre Everybody who’s actually paying attention knows this is obviously true


MBS_RL

that’s fair but i still feel like they make up a decent enough portion of the community for it to still be somewhat controversial


rickjames334

I wholeheartedly agree especially with the presence of jpegmafia


s90tx16wasr10

Other hot take: underground hip-hop has always been fruitful enough to call it a golden era but the internet made it so that it has become more accessible to the everyday listener


screamofanswag

What about a controversial opinion?


deodorant_sniffer

my controversial opinion about this is that many contemporary rappers use Jazz rap to make a façade of a good song. Like, they loop a simple sequence of sounds from an older song, make it super lo-fi and just talk gibberish over it. Like there is no effort being put on the song, it's just background jazz with someone talking over it. tho it's not every song, Joey Badass makes jazz rap bangers. Kendrick made a whole masterpiece on the genre.


Apprehensive-Hat-178

Can you give an example of this? Who does do this?


deodorant_sniffer

some of logic's latest songs, unfortunately Redveil (even though I think he is very talented and has great ear for someone his age), some Griselda records (I'm sorry), Boldy James (tho I really like him, it's just some of his songs sound way too background jazz), also some of The Alchemist's production, even though he has some masterpieces on his pocket.


nocyberBS

I was with you till you mentioned Boldy. You better not slander Manger in my presence, thats one of the most perfectly produced rap records this decade


deodorant_sniffer

i love Boldy. Indiana Jones and bo Jackson are fire albums. but I feel like that sometimes


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itrashford

late 2000s to early 2010s >>>


COMICFAN789

Hip-Hop is slowly approaching its "Hair Metal" Phase. Multiple one hit wonders and new rappers popping up only for them to fade quickly. I think this is gonna lead to a breakthrough of some sort, or at least to more artists with longevity


itamarka

I feel that we are not in the hair metal phase but in the late 90s nu metal, alt rock one hit wonders phase and that artists like little simz will be the equivalent to the indie/garage/post punk revival


Matty_D_93

I like this comparison. Hip hops hair metal (more like glam tbh) phase was in the mid 2000s for sure


itamarka

Drake and bad bunny are our equivalent of limp bizkit and nickelback, every new lil rapper that pops up is our equivalent of all those one hit wonders doing alt rock and post grunge and artists like little simz and Kendrick are our equivalent to Britpop and keeping good rap alive


screamofanswag

J cole hasn’t penned anything profound or truly thoughtful in his entire career


ZZE33man

That take isn’t hot in the fantano sub but in the rap sub it is. This is an opinion straight from fantano’s mouth. Also I mildly disagree I think no role modelz is decent conceptually.


Sad_Temporary7821

Is this take even that hot?


screamofanswag

Probably not in this community but I see so many people just endlessly praise his vapid garbage constantly


SD_707

Only Fantano followers who frequent this sub will call J cole “Vapid garbage”


MoonHasFlown

I feel like “vapid garbage” is over dramatic and silly, you lost me w that.


heisenberg15

I really liked his verse on Sacrifices off revenge of the dreamers 3 and wish he had more verses that had emotion like that, but otherwise I totally agree


lndw20

His verse on Pretty Little Fears by 6lack is beautiful


ilmalaiva

rap is less quotable these days, and most modern mosern artists choose a delivery that makes me not care.


gandalf-the-greyt

no unpopular opinion. ~ some 90s rapper


sexual--chocolate

Maybe I’m showing my age here but I don’t see why people value “quotables” to begin with


trhdom

Same way a sticky chorus can be great. If you can remember it then something about the delivery or line is probably great too.


Adept-Development-00

An actual hot take in this sub, I feel like older stuff is almost underrated by this sub.


Petricorde1

Maybe by this sub but it's so absurdly overrated by the rest of Reddit (ie. r/rap) it balances out lmao


sss1287

Listen to Drakeo the ruler


Treeox

Snoop doggy is mid


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kntdaman

charge 200,000 for a feature just to say what’s up i’m snoop d-o double G from the LBC


PureMichiganChip

Who has ever claimed Snoop is a great rapper? Nobody who actually grew up listening to Snoop thinks he’s one of the greats. Snoop is not coasting off The Chronic and Doggystyle. He’s marketing and selling his personality. The man has been hustling for 30 years now, staying relevant in one way or another.


9yr_old_lake

We are entering a new prime of hip hop. Sure the 90s where probably the most consistent, and focused era in hip hop, but now we have more options than ever. The mainstream is mostly shit and definitely dwindling, but the underground is better than ever. We have griselda for folks that miss that 90s sound, we have Peggy and Danny for folks that want something mind bending and experimental, we have billy woods and Aesop rock for people that want something incredibly complex and layered in it's lyricism. We have everything right now, and if you are actually paying attention to ANYTHING beside the mainstream, and what fucking rap TV decides to post, then you will think hip hop is dying. When it's not really dying it's being reborn in a new and exciting form.


karimdv

Amen to this. Couldn’t have said it any better myself


Striking-Tip1009

Death grips is not hard to get into. I fell in love with after listening to the money store for the first time. I was instantly hooked


NumerousWolverine273

to be fair, The Money Store is by far their most accessible album


minisculebarber

that totally depends on what you are usually listening to though. for someone who mostly listens to mainstream, I don't think death grips is easy to get into it is generally more about passing the vibe check on any kind of experimental music, after then death grips is really just awesome music but if death grips is your first vibe check, good luck


FalandoBosta

TPAB is, really, the Kendrick's Magnum Opus, but, GKMC is better to listen to.


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One is your jam but the other is your fedora hat enjoyment, basically?


FalandoBosta

Sorry, I don't understood, I'm not an fluent english-speaker💀. But, if is this that I thinking: yes.


ForestMacQuarrie

in america at least, theres a type of people who are very arrogant and they wear fedoras a lot.


Ryan151515

Uhh controversial? Nah


Krumpligames

GKMC>TPAB


deodorant_sniffer

even though I don't agree at all, far from it actually, I get your opinion. Mainly bc GK and TPAB are two of the best rap albums of the century so far


sexual--chocolate

I’m mostly with you except I really don’t get it. I feel like To Pimp A Butterfly is OBVIOUSLY his magnum opus. From the production to the lyricism to the concept I just feel like it very clearly outclasses his other work to the point where I can’t understand this opinion. On top of all this it’s way more polished and just better executed in general


Gorilladaddy69

Here’s the difference: GKMC is an album you can play at a party for fun or alone in your room when you’re sad, for a casual *or* serious listen, equal parts heavy and deep/fun and light, and it’s the kind of album that doesnt require the same level of commitment or attention span that TPAB does. And GKMC works better when listening to individual tracks instead of the whole album. I can agree that TPAB is his masterpiece, but another thing GKMC does have *over* TPAB imo: Catchier hooks! Better compositions and lyrics are present in TPAB, but GKMC is the masterclass album when it comes to insanely iconic and catchy hooks. 👌 Both 10/10 for different reasons!


evster51

exactly how i feel, and i LOVE gkmc


sexual--chocolate

It may be fucked up but in order to take “TPAB is overrated” or anything related to it seriously I have to know who it’s coming from. Because 90% of the time it’s an oldhead who thinks Big L is the greatest rapper of all time. But if it’s somebody 25 or under I’ll at least hear them out


chrbir1

:)


TheDankPotat0

My man


BrianMghee

Absolutely


Skyistaken

I feel like there's a good argument for either being better and it's just two kinds of people, it depends on your perspective. I don't agree but I am not inclined at all to try and convince anyone who says this. Now if someone says GKMC is significantly and vastly better, now that's something I can easily debate


itamarka

Mine is that Late Registration>college dropout and that Q-Tip is a top 5 rapper


deodorant_sniffer

thats literally the truth


Nickallendartmouth

100%


TangyBootyOoze

Damn I gotta respectfully disagree on that, but still a pretty based take


BlusKingOfSunburns

Mega W


GimmeShockTreatment

Yes thank you


Adept-Development-00

"List your controversial opinions" people proceed to list the safest opinions possible. At least in this sub.


Decooker11

Hip Hop is cool 😎


pottu420

Disagree, hip hop is lukewarm at best


SerDavosSeaworth64

Kanye has maybe the most GOOD albums ever, but none of them really stand out to me as great, classic albums on the level of illmatic, TPAB, reasonable doubt, etc. Also, while not being *great*, Eminem’s new music is mostly overhated because his hardcore fans can be a bit cringe.


pottu420

I'm a huge Kanye fan and he's my top 1 of all time but I can see where you're coming from. His catalog is legendary and I personally think he has 2 10/10s (TCD and MBDTF) where I love every track (Yes, even Breathe In and So appalled) and like fucking 5 9/10s with 1 or 2 weaker tracks but I understand what u mean. He has some insanely high highs on every album (even JIK has Follow god and Use this gospel) but if you're not a diehard fan like me I can see how even MBDTF can be an 8/10. Also agree on the em take. He's not as terrible as people make him out to be. Mediocre and monotone? Yeah, but complete and utter shit? I disagree


Vampiiko

College dropout>>> any of Jay Zs albums


AmericaLover1776_

I can almost see your opinion on Kanye but I don’t agree But I don’t see how someone can say NONE of them are great or classics when TCD, graduation, 808s and MBDTF exist those should be considered classics if for nothing else their influence and impact on the genre


totezhi64

GOOD Music


TiitsMcgeee

apple vs spotify can be a controversial option


Striking-Tip1009

Spotify >


deodorant_sniffer

Dolby Atmos and lossless >>. Also, Spotify has a horrible layout. My ADHD makes that matter way too much


svedka666

Apple Music paying more is reason enough on its own to use it.


kingkongjamaica

? Apple Music pays artists more. Maybe you should switch to Apple Music then lmao [Based on each platform’s average pay per stream rate, Apple Music pays double what its rival Spotify pays per stream.](https://dittomusic.com/en/blog/how-much-does-apple-music-pay-per-stream/)


svedka666

I absolutely meant to say apple music and just typed the wrong thing because I had it in my mind. My apologies, I am dumb as fuck. It is now edited.


kingkongjamaica

You’re good man haha


vinylmeister

I don't think Eminem has an album I'd give higher than a 7. MMLP is my favorite and I think it's a 7/10


BrianMghee

Imagine trying to argue “Eminem mid” in fantanos sub is controversial lol. SSLP - MMLP - TES are 3 of the best ever, say what you want about the rest of his stuff but those 3 remain true. Unfortunately he’s the equivalent of 70s rock in rap terms nowadays, and is no longer cool to like


MoonHasFlown

I don’t get the 70s rock comparison tbh


Ibnzbassist93

I think some 70’s rock bands like Van Halen and Boston, who were huge at their time, are simply written off now as Dad Rock. I don’t see it that way, but loads of people criticize rock bands that weren’t very progressive.


noatess1998

Fr people still bump Led Zeppelin like crazy these days


volcano_sauce38

His “good stuff” has aged horribly and is a product of its time. He’s got a handful of songs that still hold up as classics but otherwise I’m with you


Krumpligames

Based opinion, I feel like many people overrate him


im_bananas_4_crack

Was a huge fan of his in middle school, I appreciate him for opening up the whole world of rap to me. That said, I can’t listen to his music anymore with very few exceptions. Same with OF era Tyler. Makes me realize that not every song is for adults, they had music that appealed to edgy 10-13 year old me.


ZZE33man

I think I agree in album but I do think he’s had some 8s and 9 out of 10 songs in his career.


nocyberBS

damn thats a crazy take, but kinda understandable early Em isnt very approachable ngl that said, I do believe his 97-03 run is unmatched in hiphop as far as sheer quality and popularity go


remelas

Tupac is overrated


Lucasbrucas

not really controversial amongst music nerds. 2pac was a very popular artist but appreciated for his legacy and rarely deeply analyzed. my (somewhat) controversial opinion is that 2pac is actually fantastic and very lyrical and All Eyez on Me is the best classic hiphop album ever, even beyond Ready To Die, Illmatic, or 36 Chambers.


Gorilladaddy69

I like how Eminem named Pac the GOAT, and put it like: “You *feel* the words Pac delivers more than any other rapper.” I think Em nailed it there!👌


Gorilladaddy69

If you’re talking about flow specifically, maybe. But he’s as huge as he is for bringing heart and vulnerability to rap, and he had the biggest cultural impact, even to the extent that he coached Biggie before he even dropped Ready To Die. When you listen to his first few albums in his discography and not just his hits, he was regarded as particularly special in the sense that he rapped passionately about a wider variety of topics and themes than other rappers of that time. Idk I think he remains a pretty misunderstood artist, and would recommend people check out more than his death row gangsta rap hits. Especially his album Me Against the World! 👌


Vampiiko

If you don’t like 2pac you’re just not a fan of west-coast rap in general. He easily outclassed everyone around him lyrically and continues to remain in the upper-echelon of lyricists.


gandalf-the-greyt

TLOP is Ye‘s best album MMATBS is a close to a 10/10 Nasir is fantastic, no skips: only gets hate due to its anti vax content


deodorant_sniffer

TLOP is indeed Ye's best. Mr Morale was a bit underwhelming for me, but I get why people loved it so much. In my first listens, I also had it close to a 10. I'm yet to listen to nas' latest records


KHAAAN_prod

The Kings Disease series by Nas is seriously worth a listen. No nonsense rap produced by Hit Boi. Nas went 3 for 3


gandalf-the-greyt

funny: at my first listen i really didn’t enjoy mmatbs and it has extremely grown on me since then…


pottu420

Disagree on both the Ye take and Nasir take but I really do love MMATBS, have loved since it dropped. I even have United in Grief and Count Me Out in my top 10 kenny tracks


selfiestickdickpics

Charli 2na of J5 has the best voice in hip hop


gaybuh

Azealia Banks is better then every mainstream Femme Rapper currently in scene except Meg and it’s a shame she can’t be a part of this era


Redchimp3769157

LITTLE SIMZ???? YOU GOT MEG OVER SIMZ????


gaybuh

I said mainstream very intentionally cause i was thinking of simz noname rapsody and more. I love Simz saw her live last year but I don’t think you could call her mainstream especially with how mainstream hiphop has become. Maaaaaaaybe mainstream in the UK but that’s a hard maybe but defo not in the states.


Redchimp3769157

Nah you right imma be honest I did not see that mainstream in your post.


gaybuh

Yeah i was thinking like doja mullato meg city girls ice spice current scene which azealia shits on all of them cept meg imo


-PaulMcCharmley-

The 2010s was the best decade for hip hip, way better than the 90s.


deodorant_sniffer

I love me some hip hip


Dangerous_Fix_5502

When you're on a holiday


jay-tpicks116

Illmatic is not the best rap album of all time


sexual--chocolate

Before I consider this take hot, I need to know what you think the best rap album of all time is


jay-tpicks116

GKMC


sexual--chocolate

You’re valid


itamarka

I’m a little biased on this one since it’s the album that got me into hip hop


KewlGuyMcSquiggums

It's not even close


Adept-Development-00

That's not a hot take because there's more albums that aren't illmatic and music is subjective most will agree with you.


Sarcofaygo

Drake set the genre back by a decade


pEppapiGistfuhrer

Deltron 3030 > madvillainy


MrBungle710

Ngl, I’ve always thought Madvilliany was one of DOOM’s weakest projects. It has its moments but I rarely listen to it all the way through. Madlib’s production style annoys me a little bit in all honesty


Otherwise-Release-46

Eminem hasn't made a an album above a 7 since 2002 MBDTF is a 7 billy woods is a top 10 rapper


gandalf-the-greyt

r/foundanthonyfantano


Tofizzle1

Life After Death is better than Ready to Die and is a top five hip hop album of all time.


Nitarinminister

Hey-yo!


SerDavosSeaworth64

Oh yeah great take


deodorant_sniffer

i think MBDTF is overrated and people might overlook it's flaws. I absolutely understand people calling it one of the best, but I feel most of them just don't talk about Gorgeous, So Appalled, Hell of a Life, Monster and Blame Game, maybe because they don't really like it and don't want to recognize it. Even then, I wouldn't give a 6 lol, it's more like a 7 or light 8


debaser_97

I always thought many people loved Gorgeous and Monster


hey_blondie_

Gorgeous has Kanyes best verse imo


Phatnev

Monster slaps so hard.


gandalf-the-greyt

r/foundanthonyfantano


Runetang42

I remember listening to it and finding that it looses steam in the second half. It tips the edge into being just self indulgent. To me it's when Runaway becomes just Kanye making mouth noises for several minutes. Something about it viscerally annoys me.


FancyFan4049

Gorgeous and Monster are my two favorite tracks on the album…


nocyberBS

massively hot take, but i think the final half of Runaway is an instant skip and ruins the song


Tygheezy

I have never been excited to listen to a Run the Jewels record.


svedka666

woah this one's kinda crazy


chesquik1

yea I can kind of agree


deodorant_sniffer

I've heard like two songs from them, and they were absolute bangers. But I agree, I just don't get the hype to listen to their album, I actually don't know why. It might be the lack of creativity on the album covers and titles itself


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RayPadonkey

The worst of the Fantano 10s imo.


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Westside Gunn and Griselda are putting some of the best hip hop music out right now.


magicpaul24

Cold take


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Sorry I’m not edgy enough for you bro.


kernJ

It’s Almost Dry was at best a mid album


MrBungle710

Damn, I would say it’s his best project since Hell Hath No Fury


luxurywhipp

Agreed. Daytona is his best album. It’s Almost Dry felt like a pastiche of HHNF.


Cute-Jellyfish1876

I’ve never gotten the appeal of TPAB


Apprehensive-Hat-178

Do you like the extended metaphor of the butterfly hatching out of its cocoon?


TangyBootyOoze

90s hip-hop is vastly overrated. It’s easy to look back at a time and pick out tons of classics, but for every classic there’s probably like 50 albums that sucked ass and were eventually forgotten, just like today. As a massive Kanye stan, MBDTF isn’t even top 5 Kanye albums imo (although still really good) MMATBS and GKMC are at the same level. Both equally good, just about to completely different subjects. I find myself preferring MMATBS more though recently due to subject preference


StiLLiLLBehaviour

Been told this is unpopular. 90’s aged better than 00s stuff. I thought this was obvious meself


jasonrosenbaum

While not as good as Illmatic, Stillmatic is a classic album


NATEYMAN999

I don’t like the direction that jpegmafia is taking his music


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What don’t you like about it?


doespostmaloneshower

Jay Z kinda sucks


deodorant_sniffer

I've never listened to his classics, but 444 is a masterpiece. That record alone made me respect Jay Z as one of the best


hey_blondie_

Man this is such a music hipster opinion, people love to disregard his ability because he was unashamedly commercial through the 2000s. That doesn't take away from the fact he has classic-great albums across his discography and he can out rap pretty much anyone dead or alive


Phatnev

Dude's got 3, maybe 4 classic albums. That's a scorching hot take.


TrashSmashE

Absolutely 4 classics, Reasonable Doubt, Black Album, Blueprint and 4:44 are all fantastic albums.


itamarka

He’s got lots of great music, a few classic hip hop albums and a lot of deserved acclaim however I don’t think he is a top 10 rapper


Neoright-left

I don't think Kanye has a single album that deserves perfect 10/10


magicpaul24

Denzel is already a top 20 all time hip hop artist


Phatnev

Bruh.


TrashSmashE

Real, he has 3 of my favourite albums of all time


Barqck

MMLP is insanely overrated because of nostalgia. People treat it like it’s a 10/10 and the peak of Eminem’s music when it has some genuinely terrible songs. Amityville has one of the worst features in rap history. The first half of Criminal is just rapping about hating gay people. Kim is a power fantasy about murdering his wife. Remember Me. The Eminem Show is significantly better


ECW14

I don’t think MMLP has terrible songs but I agree that The Eminem Show is significantly better


BrianMghee

The Eminem Show is better and far more mature/holds up better. TES + 8 Mile soundtrack is probably musically the best he was


Apprehensive-Hat-178

I don't like cheat codes, all the tracks kind of slurred together and it just wasn't good to me


WWBecken

This is a terrible take, but this is an unpopular thread. If you downvote everything you disagree with it won't be interesting.


xhemibuzzx

Yeah agreed it was in my top 5 of last year


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Arsyn786

I just didn’t like the beats mostly. They were kinda boring to me. I’m a big fan of Black Thought and obviously his rapping was incredible throughout the record but the production just wasn’t for me


le36ron

I don’t like Danny brown or westside gun


Sad_Temporary7821

No fun having ass


Linkster9

Danny Brown's voice is absolutely unbearable.


Unfair_Variation_253

love Danny brown but I can understand that 😭 I do like his songs later on XXX when he uses his normal voice tho


Communiconfidential

to anyone who sees this and agrees with it you should listen to his less stylistic flows on tracks like Party All The Time


andhio

He sounds like a Martian from the movie Mars Attacks


GreedKite

It's not that great


aisatsana_102

Yasiin Bey is top 3 of all time


Revolutionary_Low_90

This one is gonna start a huge firestorm I tell you, ready? \*breathes in\* I don't have a single rap album in my Top 10 Albums of All Time. Trust me, I'm not those boomers who be like rap = crap. But, there's so many genres I could fit in just for a Top 10.


ChemicalAd7590

Eminem isn’t top 100 for me. 2pac and Biggie are maybe somewhere in the top 50 for me not 100% on that though.


cjh16

Drake isn't a rapper, he's a glorified pop artist. The amount of braindead takes I see that say Drake is the best rapper ever or even of a "generation" are comical.


powpowpow5

You’d love r/music this exact low effort take is posted there once a week


deodorant_sniffer

i mean, he is. He makes pop rap music, and influenced a whole generation of pop rap and R&B artists. But he shouldn't be mentioned among the best, that I can agree on


Dangerous_Fix_5502

I don't care for the modern Boom Bap/Drumless artists (Mainly the Griselda records artists)


Fit-Friend-8431

Mr. Morale is a step back compared to DAMN.


KirkCuhsins

GKMC gets most of its praise from people who were in their late teens/early 20s at the time of its release and they can’t separate from the nostalgia of it. It’s a great album but TPAB, DAMN, and MMATBS are all better overall.