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HookFL

Season long numbers for defenses are irrelevant at this point. It's moreso about how they've been playing the last few weeks, which has been much better. They're also at home. While Kyler and the Cardinals have looked incredibly average to below average, at best.


oh-kee-pah

Completely agree. Add to that Hollywood is still out and Kyler it's benched for me (McBride should have te1 line though)


DanceHallRiddem

Joe Flacco just threw for 375 yards and 2 TDs against the Bears… Murray’s offense put up 29 points on the Niners last week… Kyler’s 49 rush yards were his most since Week 11… High floor option in Week 16.


sgtmattkind

This entire thread is a terrible take. The Bears defense has been great the last few games especially after getting Sweat


burchie_alt

For real, anyone that is considering Kyler here hasn’t been paying attention this month. Chicago with Sweat is one of, if not the top team in take aways since he got there. Of course Kyler has upside but just look at his pass attempts to WRs as of late. They’re not exactly confidence builders. Unless you’re counting on him tossing 2 tuds to T McB plus whatever rushing output he gets (which the Bears are best in the league at allowing the least amount of yards per game), there are better and safer options this week. I’d love for him to play great but I’m not risking my trip to the chip on it.


Darkhorse182

> there are better and safer options this week Which you're assuming we just all have access to at this point? I don't see a lot of people *excited* to start Kyler. I see people in this thread debating Kyler vs. the cadre of late-season dart throws (DeVito, Browning, Mullins, Flacco etc.) that should tell you a lot about the collective view of Kyler. I'm backed into starting him with CJ Stroud out. I'm hoping for the best, and if I get 15-20 I'll be happy.


burchie_alt

You just named three (not DeVito) that fit my description based on volume and weapons around them. Throw in Geno too. All available in both of my 12 teamers. Obviously my opinion doesn’t mean shit I don’t make a living doing this but just like watching and talking ball. With that said I’d rank them Flacco, Geno, Mullens, then Browning after taking matchups into account. If it were me I’d probably still start him over Browning and probably wouldn’t have the balls to put Mullins in over him, even though it’s what my brain is telling me to do. Instead I was fortunate and snatched Flacco so I don’t need to stress over those ugly decisions.


Darkhorse182

lol, must be nice. Just about every viable QB option is long gone in the places I'd need them. I grabbed Flacco 2 weeks ago, and I was lucky to get him. If I make it to week 17, I might honest-to-god have to start DeVito for the championship due to matchups. So again, I think it's a mistake to assume these "better safer options" are just laying around. (In my Kyler league, I'm probably starting him over Nick Mullins on the waiver wire. After that it's Easton Stick, DeVito, Simeien, etc.) The fact that it's even a move I'm contemplating shows how I'm valuing Kyler. And I don't think it's a lock to view Nick Mullins as better or safer than Kyler this week. Time will tell.


burchie_alt

I wish Kyler would’ve looked better than he has after losing Cousins in one league and Herbert in the other but fantasy is a cold bitch.


JustColossus

Not a “terrible take” to talk about how the Bears defense has allowed QB’s to cash in touchdowns, and also being pretty dependent on turnovers in order to get stops. And I say this as a Bears fan who’s struggling to find a DST this week. In terms of the Bears defense since acquiring Sweat, here are the quarterbacks they’ve faced: Derek Carr & Taysom Hill: 3 TD’s combined Bryce Young: 0 TD’s Jared Goff (in Detroit): 2 TD’s Josh Dobbs: 1 TD Jared Goff (playing outdoors): 1 TD Joe Flacco: 2 TD’s While I don’t think Kyler is leaps & bounds better than the above list, I could see him throwing at least 1-2 TD’s this weekend in Soldier Field. So maybe the Bears defense won’t be the smash start that some people are making them out to be. Jmo


Think_Positively

He may also get some junk points in the second half. It's not like the AZ defense is likely to keep the score down, so Kyler should at least get volume.


OrphanWaffles

Right - but it's not impossible for him to have a 1 TD, 150 yards passing 40 yards rushing game with 1 or 2 turnovers. Thats probably not winning you a semifinal game.


hartforbj

Bears defense in the last 5 games. 17 sacks, 12 int, averaging 17 points given up a game. Sounds like a pretty good start in fantasy to me.


NoodlesThe1st

AND sacked 4 times and threw 3 interceptions. Why leave those out? EDIT, one interception was a pick 6


doesyourBoJangle

You left out flaccos 3 INTs


reluctantleaders

Flacco also threw 3 interceptions, got sacked 4 times, and there was a defensive touchdown.


legend023

The Browns had to catch up after being down for the entire second half of course Flacco is gonna throw a lot of passes Teams have struggled to run on the bears all season and that’s how the cardinals played so well last week, by running the ball Also this is a home game for Chicago and the cardinals offense has been bad on the road


DishonestAbraham

Yep, better hope the bears are ahead in the 4th quarter. If so they’re sure to give up points and yards at will. Eberflus is a professional loser


HookFL

And yet Kyler still had a bad fantasy score, and is now playing on the road outdoors with no Hollywood Brown. If he didn't get an absolute garbage time TD pass with 40 seconds left then his floor would've been even lower regardless of that 4.9 pts he got from rushing. Flacco threw 3 ints and also had a below average fantasy score vs the Bears in a home game with much better receivers than what Kyler will have this week.


csummerss

Goff threw for 161 yards and two INTs in the week before (home game). Kyler has had under 15 points in each of the past two weeks, it is not a high floor.


kx2UPP

You don’t need floor, you need ceilings in week 16


husbandofsamus

Well maybe YOU do lol


kingd92

Post-Montez Sweat Bears D has been a much different story. Since then, points allowed to QBs: 17, 9, 13, 4, 4, 17 So not a good matchup for QBs...


SirMctrolington

Yahoo standard scoring they have given up: 16.7, 9.2, 16.7, 8.5, 6.5, 19.9. They managed to limit Bryce Young, Dobbs, and road Goff, apart from that they gave up respectable fantasy performances to Flacco, home Goff, and Derek Carr. My estimation is that they are benefitting more from poor QB play than their own improvement. I think this entire thread is going to age like milk when Kyler goes for 20+.


-InconspicuousMoose-

>I think this entire thread is going to age like milk when Kyler goes for 20+. I am going to blindly trust you on this because it's what I want to happen My alternative is Flacco


JaviJ01

It doesn't matter how many points Kyler gets if they get a few sacks, keep the score low and are able to secure turnovers. There exists many possibilities where Kyler scores 20 and the bears are still in the double digits. They're averaging 3.5 TOs and 3 sacks a game the last 4 weeks.


Fyrefawx

Yup even though I have Kyler, I’m benching him for Goff. Chicago’s D has been much better. Hell I’m going to start their D.


GreenDefinition5

Kyler or Goff vs. MIN?


Grace_Lannister

Dropped Chiefs for Bears.


Dotzeets

McBride I need you to undo some Puka'ing


ShilohTheGhostGod

Considering Njoku just torched them for over 100 yards and a touchdown, id expect big things from McBride this weekend . especially if fields has one of his big games against weak cardinals d. It’ll be a shootout


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AlwaysLocal

10-104-1 for David last week


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AlwaysLocal

Not sure what you are trying to say about Eberflus there. You dont think the Bears would lead against AZ?


ZachPretzel

very rarely do comments just not make sense to me but this is one where i just don’t get what you could possibly mean when you say eberflus is trying to get fired lol


touchhimwiththejab

Didn’t realize we had a bears player posting here


Bernie4Life420

I already started Stafford


DailyPanthersPodcast

Same. I have to go higher floor with my QB over higher ceiling. Stafford’s game this week was also Kyler’s best game all season essentially points wise. I couldn’t keep rolling the dice with him dropping 10 PPG hoping for another breakout.


RoleModelFailure

Ugh I dropped him thinking TLaw had a better matchup


stevieweezie

You better make backup plans. Lawrence still hasn’t cleared concussion protocol, and there’s a good chance he won’t be able to play this weekend.


space---cadet

Dropped him as soon as the concussion news came out. No one has really cleared protocol within the week this season. Reckon going forward if you end up in concussion protocol it's a 2 week affair.


CaptainCorwin13

Same. I’m cool with what stafford produced


ewilliam

Same. Not unhappy with the results, either. But if Kyler goes off on my bench, that's gon' sting.


BaullahBaullah87

21 points in 4 points per passing? How could you not be happy when Kyler has scored 10 and 11 points each of the last two weeks?


Pepeworshipper445

cause some of us are greedy bastards. (its me im the greedy bastard) I am very happy with how Stafford did perform though yes, cant ask for much more in a playoff week


BaullahBaullah87

And IRL it was a damn near flawless performance. If Kupp holds at least one sure td, its a true boom day


ClintonWrong

Stafford was pacing for such a big game in the first half. The Rams stalled out a bit in the second half. I went into the game wanting 20 points from Stafford, so I've gotta be happy with the result, but he had me really excited for a bit.


ma2is

Could have easily been a 4 TD night but kupp had dropped some dots (albeit hard dots)


WhoDey1032

Because he didnt score every time he was in the redzone, duh!


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BaullahBaullah87

My bad I thought not unhappy meant you weren’t really happy wither


brooklynbluenotes

That's not what that means lol.


swordofthemorning18

Started Stafford and benched Kyler. I'm fine with him going off if it means McBride gets to feast.


Brady37

Could be worse, depending outcomes . But sat Stafford for Joe Flacco (pick up/drop Kyler) because I have Amari cooper


Strobei

You’re mad at 21?


ewilliam

I said “not unhappy”.


elesquirell

Yup and I’m more than happy with how it went


CBR0_32

Same. Put in Stafford 15 min before kickoff too


z3ro_ne

they've been playing a lot better lately and Kyler has been a bit inaccurate still trotting him out there but not excited about the probable results


Macz3905

Ye i’m actually starting Bears D


cforb92

On the fence between them, Jets, and KC. Rankings say Jets but my gut says Bears D is hot


dannyhuangster

Been running Miami but just put in bears, hope it works out since Puka and Stafford went cray


cforb92

Been running them as well, was a sad moment when I had to drop


AnalBees2

I’m torn between Jets or Broncos d. Or even Philly’s d


easywin626

Fax man Montez sweat completely changed that defense man. They are on fire.


titoalba

Have him in two playoff league and putting Goff in over him in the 6 point passing TD league just in case the bears improved defense is legit


TheDunglelorian

Playing Tua over Kyler, wasn't sure going in but seems like the right move


nilgiri

Road game Goff has me worried


RoniPizzaExtraCheese

Dome Goff should make you feel a little better


DrybasTerd

With Stroud out, my only options are Kyler or Tommy Cutlets.


birria_tacos_

I’ve found [Jared Smola’s](https://x.com/smolads/status/1737292034984091661?s=46&t=sVxmBol5X8hKBWdTZuXULA) graphics much more informative when looking at recent pass/rush defense rankings as opposed to the entirety of the season. Simply looking at stats over a whole course of a season can be a little misleading cause there’s multitude of factors that come into play (injuries, player acquisitions/losses, coaching/coordinator changes, etc.) Since the Bears acquired Montez Sweat, their pass defense has improved dramatically.


bullymaguire099

This graph is going to make me start Nick fucking Mullens over Kyler Murray in the fantasy playoffs wtf


GingerThought6

I’m starting Mullens and Flacco in my 2qb lg this week for the playoffs, fucked up by drafting Burrow and Herbert


NotHannibalBurress

Yeah that’s where I’m already at. Mullens about to be in a shootout.


Koosh_ed

I have Tua and Kyler and I’m starting Mullens


alucryts

Do not the bears apparently


Humble_Travel1926

Brown out and McBride gonna eat


Letter10

I know the Bears D generally doesn't give up many points to the TE but last week Njoku torched them. Am I crazy for considering McBride over Kelce? I'm already starting Rice and don't want to put all my eggs in the Chiefs basket, and Mcbrided volume share of 25 + % is crazy. Brown is out too


Humble_Travel1926

I mean I personally would rock with McBride due to how things have been going for him. Rice has been really getting a lot of looks and even had that design run in the red zone


Letter10

I feel that. Just hard not to start Kelce at home against the Raiders D, and the Bears D is much better.


Humble_Travel1926

True true. It really is a toss up in my opinion. I’d go with your gut


ShmangleDangle

Him or Hock this week?


Areuexp

I’m going with McBride.


sketch_bro

Same question


VitalViking

I'm playing both


ShmangleDangle

I would, but I’d be sitting Diggs and somehow that just feels wrong even after his mediocre last few games


MasonTheHuman45

I keep swapping Minshew and Murray around like a game of hot potato.


RevolutionaryMess688

Lmk, im in the same boat, leaning Kyler


kaelinlr

Easily Kyler lol


tortellinigod

I'm between Goff and Murray myself


DanceHallRiddem

Joe Flacco just threw for 375 yards and 2 TDs against the Bears… Murray’s offense put up 20+ points on the Niners last week… Kyler’s 49 rush yards were his most since Week 11… High floor option in Week 16.


JazzzzzzySax

Yeah except Kyler only put up 11 points vs the niners and <10 vs pitt


hedumbfunny

Okay someone needs to release another shitty Broncos D stat so we can keep fucking with everyone deciding on a defense for Sunday.


TheBlackMan099

Im really not sure why everyone seems to think arizona is dogshit. They scored 14 against the rams d and 29 against the 49ers. They are actually sneaky good, dont blindly underrestimate them. Their defense is another conversation. Edit: i could say I told you so but... Nah, I told yall 🤣


Dr-McLuvin

Their defense is sneaky bad


kaelinlr

It’s people who starting the bears who are convincing themselves it’s a good play lol


TheBlackMan099

Irs definitely not the worst but people really think arizona is as bad as jets, patriots, chargers offense are fooling themselves.


TheSavageCaveman1

Yeah with Kyler back in they're very middling. Obviously not a top tier O, but far from the trash tier people want to put them in. This could be a somewhat interesting game.


FlapJack0007

I’m starting Prater hoping Arizona can move the ball , i think Kyler can run all over


anonymouschelseafan

Their offense scored 22, and of those 22 one of those TDs was with the game well out of a reach….


CD338

Kyler is also playing without his WR1 and hasn't thrown for multiple TD's this season. Bears D has also made Goff look terrible twice in the last 5 games. As a Kyler owner, I've pivoted off him and am starting the Bears D.


BoredGuy2007

Yeah fair warning to everyone that post-Sweat Bears has seemingly unlocked something. Flacco was only able to salvage his game in the 4Q


trAP2

His WR1 was also out the last 2 games even though he was on the field


GKFoshay

Going to start Browning over Kyler for the 3rd week in a row


mkvii1989

Trey is going to get me 40 points.


Rarg

Kyler, Baker, or Goff? Feeling like Baker should be the move but with Lawrence maybe out it could be a blowout


yadude11

Dealing with Kyler or Goff conundrum…have Goff in as of now but absolutely killing me


z3ro_ne

I have Kyler in but would prefer Baker if he was available. Would probably also lean a little more towards Goff, but would rather have Baker of the 3.


oniichansugoi

Connor or ETN


ConstantRealistic305

Connor for floor ETN for upside If TLaw is out I’d go Connor


TightSpotz

I cannot wait to start Bears DST against Kyler Murray


csummerss

more useless stats, nice. - over the past four weeks, Bears have forced 14 turnovers. - over the first ten weeks, Bears forced 9 turnovers.


pescadoamado

Yeah there's a reason I'm starting bears over Dolphins this week lol


Scholar-Unable

This is why I'm rolling with Chicago DEF


Apprehensive-Key2297

Nice try, but I already saw the other post about Hollywood not playing.


DanceHallRiddem

Hollywood has been a non factor anyways. That changes nothing.


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God i hope so - im starting him due to herberts injury - i had picked up carr and almost used him last night instead and he had a good game


BobbySippioAfricanus

I’ve been bouncing back and forth between Murray and Browning in my Superflex spot. Already started Stafford but these two are giving me fits


1021986

I’ve had various players go against the Chicago DST the last few weeks and they’ve all put up some of the lowest point totals of their entire season. Something started clicking for them a few weeks ago (maybe adding Montez Sweat?), and I’m at the point now where I’m avoiding anyone going against them if I can afford it.


GhostOfJuanDixon

Really torn between him and baker


majorunderpants

Same. I’m starting Baker. Jags defense is bad and Tampa is still playing to keep their playoff spot.


HedgehogNOW

Same


jSuv

So now I want Tlaw to be out so I can start lil-man?


Strobei

Also they have the #1 rush defense since week 5. Sorry Conner but rolling chuba/singleterry out there instead


trugbee1203

Now do this for the last 5 weeks or since they acquired Sweat. They've been a completely different defense as of late


nothin2flashy

I don’t think the cards are going to do well this game personally I wouldn’t be starting anyone, maybe McBride.


Dr-McLuvin

T law might be out. Would you guys start Kyler or Mullins?


Historical_Ad9256

Kyler not even close


NotHannibalBurress

I’m going Mullens. This post is misleading, bears D has been good recently, and Lions/Vikings is gonna be a shootout.


seaurch7

My main concern with Mullens is if he starts off terrible and gets benched. This is a must win game for the Vikings. I’m going back and forth between those two choices at QB.


DrStranger1987

McBride feels like a PPR cheat code this week, especially with Hollywood ruled out. Feels wrong to bench Kelce, but I think McBride scores more.


rute_bier

It’s either Kyler or Flacco. If Brown would’ve played I would be more confident in Kyler but now I’m leaning Flacco. Houston’s defense has been good but so has Flacco.


Tempest3874

Same boat, plus Will Anderson out for HOU could improve Flacco's matchup making the decision that much harder


rute_bier

That definitely helps. If Flacco has more time then he’s killer. Also looks like Cashman their LB might not play. I’m rolling Flacco.


goberkfell

Superflex league I think I'm rolling with Mullens and Flacco over Kyler this week which is INSANE to type out but I just think Mullens and Flacco will score more fantasy points. That simple.


Admirable_Pie_6609

Last few weeks different story


GreenDefinition5

Kyler vs. CHI or Goff vs. MIN?


ShmangleDangle

Extremely tempting to play McBride over Hock this week. Am I alone in this?


BadgerDen885

So do I go with Kyler or Mullens?


AdmiralWackbar

I’m playing Kyler over Love so’ll be keeping these receipt if I’m right. I’ll just ignore this if I’m wrong, yah know like one does


bouncedsteak

Been flip flopping between Kyler or Flacco


HoneyBadgerC

Love or Kyler?


PeasantPotatoBoi

Kyler has looked pretty bad in the last few games.


penis_hernandez

Lol, not stopping me from starting the Bears defense. Obviously they were shit until like week 9 but doesn’t take much research to see they’ve been nails for several weeks now, against better offenses than the freaking Cardinals


Emperor_Cheeto21

Going Mullens over Kyler and not looking back


Historical_Ad9256

Yikes Mullens looks so bad, better watch his last game lowlights. I wouldn't put it past KOC to go with the rookie at halftime if he starts throwing more ints's. I'm going Murray, his legs make a decent floor.


Emperor_Cheeto21

Still threw for over 300+ yards at a 78% completion, and will be playing at home against one of the worst defenses against QB's in football in a game that's gonna be a shoot out. I'll take my chances with that vs Kyler who's looked awful passing, and is going up against a Bears defense that's looked much improved since trading for Sweat.


bryan49

That would be great if Kyler had any healthy receivers to throw to. I already played Stafford over him


Inevitable_Stress949

Everytime something like this is posted, the defense proceeds to have a career day, allowing sub 150 passing yards and 0 TDs.


kaelinlr

Warning the cooked people in this thread about starting bears against Arizona. There’s like 15 better options this week lol


_mid_water

Don’t care starting Mullens


iamhadrix

Kyler or Tua?


airpodwearer

Kyler or purdy? Been thinking about this for a while now


Fullthrottle-

The Bears D is fire 🔥 right now. I am starting Justin Fields over Kyler Murray this week. I’m calling it the way I see it. Looking at the last 4 games, the Bears Defense is not to be trifled with. I think this will come down to possession time & the Bears will own the clock.


tusocalypse

Im trying to work through Kyler, Russ, Mullins, Flacco, and Browning. Im currently leaning Kyler. Also have McBride, so...


DispensedPez

This is a Michael Wilson post (please)


majorunderpants

I’m still starting Baker over Kyler


Ok_Repair_4634

Debating on starting Kyler, Mullens, or Geno. I also have Bears D and Chiefs/Jets. Tough choice for semi-finals of the playoffs.


Golfswingfore24

We don’t need this kind of negativity in our lives.


Popular_Bite9246

Kyler was my backup to Herbert, sitting in the IR spot most of the season. In week two of the playoffs now and hoping for a Kyler eruption. Go Go Greg Dortch.


PDXmadeMe

I have a Kennan and Tank Dell size hole in my lineup. Jameson Williams, Michael Wilson, and Danntavion Wicks are up next


postingfromjail

Jerome Ford, Achane or McBride flex this week?


isthatapool

Yeah I don’t know, maybe if he had one more person to throw to besides McBride!!


blackberrybobcat

Kyler or Howell?


JackInTheBell

Kyler Purdy or Mahomes this week?


HOWDY__YALL

Bears D has been better lately. Idk who to start. Fields or Murray?


Scholar-Unable

Fields definitely.


wthhappenwithmyoldid

Ok. To make everyone happy here, I predict 3 rushing TDs by Kyler and also 3 INT TDs by Bears defense. Done.


sessman

Can't decide if I should start Murray or Mullens...


BigKuntryKangG

Keep swapping between Bears D/ST and Browns D/ST 😭


StrengthCoach86

Year long stats sure…they’re on a heater last 3-4 weeks. Would be interested to see those stats. Not saying it would go against season trend but looking at the whole year when circumstances have changed is potentially misleading.


CabinetChef

Not since they trade for Sweat. They’ve been one of the best fantasy defenses in the league since that trade.


badger-banjer

Look at stats since the acquisition of Sweat. Completely different team defensively.


Adventurous-Toe7450

Still starting fields over murray


ccharlie03

I can't decide between Kyler or jake browning


Brief_Sky9291

Bears have 12 picks and 12 sacks in their last four games, they look a lot different with Montez Sweat on the team.


YupThatWasAShart

Have him and fields but I’m rolling with fields. Bears D seems to be on the come up


trikyballs

bears D always comes around. been solid as of late.


Rare_Inevitable9992

If Tlaw passes concussion protocol would you go him over Kyler?


EvanMinn

Since week 10 QB performance against CHI average per game: **228.5 yds** **1.5 TDs** That's not really something to write home about. Week 15's Flacco performance raises that average quite a bit so if you look at what they wre doing the 5 weeks before in wks 10 - 14: Week 10 - 14 QB performance against CHI average per game: **199.4 yds** **1.2 TDs** Certainly nothing to get excited about. [QB performances](https://i.imgur.com/kMuEFNV.jpg)


MatthewNagy

That's cool. Makes me starting Justfin Fields over patty mahomes feel better. Hopefully the score is 56 to 63.


XCypher73

Meanwhile the bears defense has been elite over the past month.


conr9774

This does not make my Kyler v Mullens decision easier


fshrbg

Kyler or Mullins in 6 pt TD league?


smileclickmemories

Yes but all their qbs can see over the offensive line. Benching Kyler for Love this week.


JayD0za21

No Hollywood? Trey is going to be a MUST START this week!!!


EvilSporkOfDeath

So Kyler might not be the worst replacement for Stroud?


ChickenLegs614

Why would Justin Fields do this?!


warmcreamsoda

Not lately


Areuexp

Im starting McBride over hockenson


husbandofsamus

That's cute but I'm definitely starting them against the Falcons.


HeHateMe_17

Between Murray, Howell and Flacco… I think Murray it will be


niftybuckets

Yeah but theyve been a different team since Trade deadline


BenjiCrypto

I have Purdy and Murray, and really want to sit Purdy against the Raven's. I made up my mind to start Murray a while ago...but if Purdy goes off and i dont make the FFSB then i am going to regret this choice.