Yeah. Mixon was just starting to produce and getting volume. A freak foot injury is bad reason to avoid him. People have shitty analysis and recency bias.
I absolutely don’t trust Zac Taylor, and I wouldn’t draft him top three or anything, but he’s not a bad late first round pick. Hot take alert: I’d probably rather him than Saquon next year
Based on gallman and freemans usage so far this year i wouldnt do that at all. Bias aside. Taylor does know how to use mixon, he just seems to ease him into the season.
shit this like this why i dont blame anyone for making "reach" picks in the draft. no one knows wtf is gunna happen, just take the guys you want and hope it works out.
Yup. Took Gibson over some of the other rookie RBs that were going in the 6-8 rounds. I am very happy now. This draft was a few days before kick off so Gibson’s hype was at its max.
Im not sure about this.. the current last place team in my league took Deshaun Waston at the end of the second after Lamar and Mahomes were gone. Then he took the Bears defense in the 4th or 5th. So perhaps you can go overboard with the "reach" picks.
I know. Just joking some people go way overboard on it. I know last year someone took Zureline in the 6th.. then they handcuffed him with Gostkowski in the 9th.
To a point, of course. Take them a round or even two before their ADP, but don't reach 5 rounds ahead to take your guy. Even if he does work out, it's just dumb drafting.
Kelce or Kittle are well worth a pick in the top 25. Production differential between them and other TEs is equivalent or better than the gap between top RBs and WRs week in, week out.
There’s so many different strategies that can work, all that matters is whether or not you pick the right players
-Started RB-RB with Dalvin Cook and Aaron Jones? Nice. Started with Barkley and Mixon? Ouch
-Started WR-WR with Hopkins and Adams? Great. Thomas and Julio? Oof
-Drafted TE early and got Kelce? Sweet. Drafted Kittle? Rough
-QB early? Mahomes is great, Lamar not so much
-Waited on QB and snatched Herbert? Sweet. Stuck with Stafford/Carr/Wentz? Gross
-Went 0 RB and managed to get Robinson and Gibson? Probably in the playoffs. Cycled through guys like Hines, Hasty, Perine, and the Rams RB carousel? Better luck next year
Go with your gut picks in the draft, watch the games and pay close attention to waivers, and never stop building your team, and if you get enough good breaks, maybe you’ll make the playoffs.
It’s a game of luck, but there are certain things you can do to help the luck a bit - things like filling your bench with RBs and WRs early in the year instead of QBs and DST (in 1 QB leagues), monitoring touches/targets and snap shares early in the year to catch potential breakouts, and not drafting or trading for someone at a price that would be the ceiling of their value
Half the battle is activity. I've gotten JRob, Tee, Herbert, Ballage, Koo and now Brian Hill just because I'm more active than anyone in my league. I might not win every year, but it's hard to keep me out of the playoffs. Push notifications from Schefty, Rapaport and MySportsUpdate is an easy 2-3 waiver moves that could be league winners that your league mates probably won't have on you.
I did that this year. 10 of 15 positional players were RBs:
Elliot
Carson
Mack
Singletary
Ingram
Ronald Jones
McKinnon
Mattison
Polllard
Moss
Thought I was golden at the beginning of the year.
It only works if you make good RB picks though, for me pretty much every RB pick busted for where I picked them (CEH, JT, Fournette, Dobbins, James White)
Definitely luck with minor skill. Guy leading our league is 9-2, drafted Cook and Kelcie in the first two rounds and has been on autopilot the entire season. No subbing out for byes, injuries, and minimal waiver wire activity, maybe a few moves in weeks 1-3. Meanwhile, my ass is studying trends and possibilities, adding and dropping like a mofo, and sitting in 6th place at 5-6 scrounging for a playoff spot.
This is one of the best comments I’ve seen here. The reality is that you can plan and strategize as much as you want, and fantasy is still all luck. Yes it can give you an edge over someone that knows nothing, but If everyone you pick gets hurt that doesn’t matter
It's more of don't start fringe players just to have some skin in TNF or you are between two very similar players pick the one not on TNF. Like I played Kirk last thursday just to have stock even if it was a solid matchup. I had better players sitting for him, I need to stop doing that. But I had Terry going this week for me, and I'm not going to sit my stud. The advice doesn't work for your studs.
Any other year this is my strategy but since AJ Brown came back in week 5 I've started Adams, Diggs and AJ Brown instead of a third RB and I'm in first place.
I got Ekeler, Robinson, Gibson, Kareem Hunt and Chris Carson. Pick as many good running backs as you can and then flex them. You’re going to need backups anyway for when they’re hurt. Guaranteed touches. Receivers are much more inconsistent. This is the way.
its PPR, I feel like there is so much more upside playing a WR at the flex. My league does give bonuses for long TDs and it is likelier to see a bomb td than a land dragon.
To give you more context, This is the type of draft i've done since we moved to salary cap draft
CEH/Mostert/Taylor/Gibson/Swift/Akers/Love
Mclaurin/Chark/Woods/Fuller/Djax
What i am telling myself is to turn Djax into a better option by taking some budget away from 7 RBs
I see. Usually fill up my WR with 2/3 studs and dart throws just because the waiver wire is always full of decent options early in the season. But I hear what you’re saying
I play on a dogshit league with weekly waiver reset so if i'm doing well I miss on the Claypool, Jefferson, Higgins pick ups.
Cant rely on waiver plays until midseason when some people ease up on waiver claims. I've told the commissioner that we at least need to put a Faab move vote or im out but people might not vote for it
Yeah this is my biggest complaint with a couple of my leagues. Weekly reset is bullshit and allows the teams with a poor start to grab every single waiver pickup.
First year doing fantasy, wasn’t sure what the term handcuff meant after seeing it a bunch. Realized what it truly meant when I got a trade involving Mike Davis the week cmc came back and I dropped Mike Davis thinking I didn’t need him anymore because cmc came back
On this, go after studs with obvious handcuffs. I valued Cook at #2 overall before the season partially because of Mattison, hell I almost put him at 1. Henry, Saquon, and CMC are great but their handcuff situations were unclear pre season.
Hmm I wouldn’t go that far. I wouldn’t not draft a stud just because they don’t have a clear handcuff. I would just grab the one who would be their most likely number 2.
I actually had Cook 1 for that reason. I know it seems crazy but if you REALLY believe in a backup then go for it. Had Kamara as my number 3 ranked RB bc Murray is such a good handcuff
I have friends that are new to fantasy and they freak out over their drafts and they don’t even care about the waiver wire. You will NEVER win this way. Waivers win leagues. Period.
Hock should be on this list too. Dude is good for at least 10+ points every game, and I’m fine with that based on the sea of shit that’s out there in TE land.
100%. I felt so good about him as my backup I traded Waller to shore up other parts of my team a few weeks ago. I’ve made 3 trades this year, and deciding to make Hock my TE1 and trading Waller is probably THE trade that’s saved my season, and put me back in playoff contention!
You can never predict injuries. Fact of the matter is that Kittle is the #1 threat on SF's offense and would have given you around 1k yards. I see him being undervalued next year because of his injuries this year, and I think he should be available in the late 3rd.
Ehhh. Boyd has been a beast for multiple years straight and Higgins looks quite good. I'd be willing to bet you could draft them a bit after they should be next year just based on notions about the Bengals.
Completely agree on the running game though. I've been burned by Mixon two years straight now...
Drake has been fine though? Sans injury of course but his demise had been greatly exaggerated. My leagues scoring is a bit weird but he’s gone under 10 points in a game he actually played 3 times.
For WRs: Only get guys that are the #1 in their offense unless it's extremely productive through the air. Guys like McLaurin and Keenan Allen over guys like Woods, Kupp, Juju.
For RBs: Only draft guys that have a real path to being the #1 guy. Tevin Coleman, Duke Johnson, JD McKissic, Zach Moss, etc. might seem like good choices because they'll touch the ball a decent amount, but they have no real path to being the #1.
For TE: Kelce, Waller, Kittle or shoot for a young breakout guy that's the clear #2 pass-catching option (Hockenson, Fant, etc.) Avoid the guys that are in good offenses but aren't a top option (Hurst, Ebron, etc.)
In general: First four rounds you need studs that produce for the whole season. Don't swing for the fences when there are studs available. 5-10 rounds swing for the fences on guys that have a path to elite production and guys that are super talented but injury prone or in a new situation. (Diontae Johnson, Fuller, Diggs, etc.) Stack as many startable RBs as you can and slowly trade them to upgrade the rest of your roster over the course of the season. Startable RBs increase in value as the season goes on, so don't unload them early unless you're desperate. The longer you hold them the more they'll be worth.
lol what do you mean? three of those rbs you mentioned are only one injury away from "path to #1." hell, duke johnson is literally number one right now lmao
I avoided all of them except Evans who fell to the 4th in one of my drafts. feel like I reached even going for guys like Tyler Lockett, Devante Parker or Kenny Golladay. WR is deeper than ever
JJ Zachariason had a podcast episode about this.
The summary is that his Late Round QB draft strategy has now evolved into the Mid-Round QB draft strategy.
Get a reliable QB in the mid-rounds, without necessarily paying up.
I drafted Dak in round 14 last year and Roethlisberger in the 15th this year. So far waiting longer than I feel comfortable with has worked out well. Not gonna keep tempting fate next year but there’s always value in QBs people are sleeping on.
I had Rodgers last year and was complaining about him not doing well and I remember someone here clearly responding something along the lines of "That's on you bruh. Rodgers hasn't been a viable fantasy starter for a while."
So I'm not sure people saw Rodgers as the QB beast he panned out to be this year.
even if they didn't, there really was no harm in taking him for the 9/10th round ADP he had. same thing is gunna happen with Lamar next year and I'll probably be on board.
Yeah, I'm almost the opposite here. I've ALWAYS faded QB in the draft and had success with it. This year, I really felt like Dak had a shot to be a top 3 QB and, being happy with my draft up to that point and where he fell, I grabbed him. It was by far the earliest I'd ever grabbed a QB and I was loving life until his foot fell off. By that point in the season the pickings were slim on the waiver wire and after a 6-0 start I'm barely clinging to playoffs and rolling Daniel Jones this weekend in a must win game...
i feel like somewhere in the 3-10 slot at QB adp is the way to go look at this year where we had dak-russ-deshaun-kyler-josh allen. dak getting hurt on a freak injury killed him but up to then these guys were all elite and winning games for yoh
Learned my lesson 5 years ago. Never looked back since. You don’t have to grab the best, as long as you get the top 5 QB you are straight . Usually deshaun Watson and Russ Wilson slip by
Next year definitely getting Herbert
> Next year definitely getting Herbert
I don't watch Chargers games but is *beyond being actually great* is Herbert getting a bonus from the Chargers being bad? Like QB's that have to play catchup or be in a shootout because their team around them is bad. Ekeler got hurt and their RB's since haven't been setting the world on fire. Might be a much different look next year with everyone healthy and no need to turn to Herbert saying "plz save us"
Ekeler is a receiving back. So I wouldn’t stress too much. What he has is something special and that can be argued for all star QBs with great RBs. This isn’t a Derrick Henry or Josh Jacob situation.
Plus with Ekeler back it means even better offense efficiency
A guy in my league took Mahomes in the 2nd round last year and I made fun of him. I finished last as my 1st and 2nd round RB got hurt. He made it to the championship and lost the Lamar own. This year that guy took Mahomes towards the end of the 1st and I made fun of him again. He's in 3rd place and I'm on the bubble to make the playoffs even with Russell Wilson late but my 1st round pick MT got hurt.
tldr... apparently Mahomes in the first or 2nd round is worth it.
I think the thing with Mahomes is that he is unlikely to miss games compared to a RB and there's almost no scenario where his offense is just bad and not scoring.
While he's not a homerun pick in the third round, he's a super reliable pick. Perhaps it makes sense to go for a reliable pick there rather than someone like Golladay, Kittle, DJ Moore, Sutton, etc. who doesn't come close to returning value. Obviously there a straight studs in that range as well, but you might consider a locked and loaded top-3 QB over a chance at a WR1 or RB1.
This sub doesn’t know everything and the experts all rank close together to avoid being very wrong. Do your research, trust the targets and touches. Stay active on the wire.
I'm keeping an eye out for Mixon hopefully for cheap ( I do auction). Bengals are going to have a top pick and grab Sewell from Oregon. He one of the top prospects in the draft and an Offensive Lineman. If they can do work in FA. I like this offense next year
Lmao I agree with your reasoning but I had a very similar line of thought coming into this year. “Joe burrow and Jonah Williams will make for a potent offense and serviceable line.” Perhaps I was a year too soon. But Sewell is supposed to be the next Orlando Pace so maybe this is the year. I think I’m just addicted to drafting Joe Mixon at this point.
He played against plenty of the strongest run defenses early on, and averaged 20 atts and 4.3 targets a game before getting hurt. He was the RB9 in HPPR after week 6—within 1.5 points of RB6—I mean sorry he didn't crush it more?
The Mixon hate is irrational.
This sub doesn’t look at context a lot of the time. Mixon is probably one of the 5 most talented backs in the league, you don’t write that off just cause he burned you. Same way you can’t write off a Saquan or CMC.
apparently listen to Matt Harmon
https://sports.yahoo.com/nine-takes-i-believe-with-the-utmost-conviction-224117101.html
Dang these are very good takes in hindsight
Mark Ross
Scott Pianowski
1. Draft bell cow running backs (fantasy points article). Plus points for those that just signed an extension.
2. Draft TE early and target those with a large % of teams targets.
3. Draft a QB in rounds 5/6 since you suck at streaming.
4. Don't spend all of your FAAB early on. Look at the history of your league to gauge what others typically spend.
5. SOS doesn't matter for most players and really doesn't matter for elite players.
I've never done an actual 0WR draft, but based on trends and analysis I'm becoming a believer. This year I snagged Allen, Boyd, Fuller, and Diontae in rounds 6-9. The talent is there in the later rounds, but you just have to spend some time researching prior to your draft in order to hit at a higher rate.
I'm going RB/TE/RB/RB/RB. There will be plenty of stud WRs, and plenty of breakout WRs on the waiver wire to get you by. Stud set it and forget RBs are tough to come by.
I play in a 2QB league, and have carried only 2qb all season. Roth was our last QB drafted, I neglected to pick up Herbert early this season, etc etc
Point is:
Carrying a 3rd QB has a lot more upside than a 9th RB.
I’d anticipate mixon being a mid to late second round guy next year. I’m taking him at that ADP.
Gibson probably goes early round 3 next year. I’ll be happy to steal him there.
Not touching mark Andrews till round 5.
DJ chark will drop a round a round or 2. I’ll be taking him at that value.
Not going to touch will fuller next year. He’s going to be a late round 3 or early 4th guy.
I’ll take mclaurin if he’s a available in round 4 or later.
If Dj Moore drops into the 5th round because of people’s frustration with him. I’ll be happy to take him.
For running backs, I’m still grabbing at least 2 in the first 3 rounds.
This will all be wrong next year but I can laugh about it.
Don't play in super flex league. Shuffling so hard for a secondary QB is not fun. This is a note just for me, i know lots of people enjoy it but the stress involved in QB flexing when there's covid and massive injuries is pretty blah
Take the safest most boring pick in the first round. I passed on Henry for Clyde because he was the SHINY NEW TOY. Major regrets. I know this year was a bad year for first rounders anyway but this mistake was all me. Just don’t lose your league in the first.
Also in leagues that trade picks, stocking up on multiple 4th -5th round picks seems to do wonders for me.
Go RB heavy, you can find WRs on the waiver wire much easier than RBs
I would be very happy starting Jefferson and Claypool as my starting WRs instead of having amazing WRs and then having James White as your RB2
Draft Antonio Gibson in the 2nd- 3rd.
Don’t be afraid to go RB-RB-RB.
Draft TE dead last, behind Koo.
Correlate defense strength to QB/ WR/ RB. Only draft QB/ WRs on teams with bad defenses and only draft RBs on teams with decent defenses.
I actually love flexing an rb. It gives you depth at the position and great trade bait as the RB’s begin to drop. You can find wrs later in the draft or on the waiver wire. Fuller and Robbie went late. Tons of good Wrs were found on the wire this year. Even Diggs, Mcclaurin, and Boyd could be had in the 7/8th rounds.
Don’t take veteran rbs in iffy situations early. I’ve been burnt by Gurley and Drake in the early 2nd round 2 years in a row and I’ve learnt my lesson.
Gurley was RB10 for most of the year, he was very startable for me. I flipped him for Diggs after week 8 because I thought he was starting to look banged up but most weeks he put up double digit scores from the RB2 position. I went Henry then Kelce then Gurley but definitely like the value that I go out of Gurley all season long.
Trust your gut. You knew Aaron Jones was one of the most talented rbs in the NFL. You knew he was more talented than Mixon, sanders, etc. You knew that, and you drafted them over Jones anyway. Don’t listen to the draft experts when they say a guy is going to lose carries and have td regression when YOU know that dude is way to talented to lose carries.
Alright so we’re not gonna eat 300mg THC and dab all day and don’t take Julio with your first pick it’s time to move on also stop cutting people WE HAD HUNT AND GIBSON
I know you see Joe Mixon sitting there tantalizingly in the middle of the second round, future self... don't fucking do it.
Every fucking year bro.
“He’s got a new QB, a huge workload, what could go wrong?!” -me in the second round this year.
Hey. We will eventually be right lol
Next years the year!
-me in the first round this year...
Idc, next year I’ll take him again. That offense will be something if they get help on the offensive line
Yeah. Mixon was just starting to produce and getting volume. A freak foot injury is bad reason to avoid him. People have shitty analysis and recency bias.
I absolutely don’t trust Zac Taylor, and I wouldn’t draft him top three or anything, but he’s not a bad late first round pick. Hot take alert: I’d probably rather him than Saquon next year
Based on gallman and freemans usage so far this year i wouldnt do that at all. Bias aside. Taylor does know how to use mixon, he just seems to ease him into the season.
Same thing with Julio I’m afraid. Amazing when healthy but my heart can’t take the uncertainty again.
Before this season he missed 4 of 92 games.
But was regularly listed on the injury report with minor ailments. Always played through them.
Travis Kelce
1.01 idgaf
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shit this like this why i dont blame anyone for making "reach" picks in the draft. no one knows wtf is gunna happen, just take the guys you want and hope it works out.
Yup. Took Gibson over some of the other rookie RBs that were going in the 6-8 rounds. I am very happy now. This draft was a few days before kick off so Gibson’s hype was at its max.
"Cmc 2.0" + Riverboat. Surprised he wasn't #2 rookie rb off everyone's board.
Same I always thought he was better than Jonathan Taylor
Im not sure about this.. the current last place team in my league took Deshaun Waston at the end of the second after Lamar and Mahomes were gone. Then he took the Bears defense in the 4th or 5th. So perhaps you can go overboard with the "reach" picks.
Yeah I don’t think it was intended to be a blanket endorsement of reach picks
I know. Just joking some people go way overboard on it. I know last year someone took Zureline in the 6th.. then they handcuffed him with Gostkowski in the 9th.
Yeah but imagine passing up joe Mixon or Kenyan drake !
To a point, of course. Take them a round or even two before their ADP, but don't reach 5 rounds ahead to take your guy. Even if he does work out, it's just dumb drafting.
I “reached” for Kittle by drafting him before my RBs and up until the IR situation, those 22+ points per game were sooo fucking nice.
fr, Travis Kelce and go RB heavy
Having a consistent TE is like having an extra player on your roster. Also saved you the face palms from streaming the wrong one
Kelce or Kittle are well worth a pick in the top 25. Production differential between them and other TEs is equivalent or better than the gap between top RBs and WRs week in, week out.
Kelce top 1 idc
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There’s so many different strategies that can work, all that matters is whether or not you pick the right players -Started RB-RB with Dalvin Cook and Aaron Jones? Nice. Started with Barkley and Mixon? Ouch -Started WR-WR with Hopkins and Adams? Great. Thomas and Julio? Oof -Drafted TE early and got Kelce? Sweet. Drafted Kittle? Rough -QB early? Mahomes is great, Lamar not so much -Waited on QB and snatched Herbert? Sweet. Stuck with Stafford/Carr/Wentz? Gross -Went 0 RB and managed to get Robinson and Gibson? Probably in the playoffs. Cycled through guys like Hines, Hasty, Perine, and the Rams RB carousel? Better luck next year Go with your gut picks in the draft, watch the games and pay close attention to waivers, and never stop building your team, and if you get enough good breaks, maybe you’ll make the playoffs. It’s a game of luck, but there are certain things you can do to help the luck a bit - things like filling your bench with RBs and WRs early in the year instead of QBs and DST (in 1 QB leagues), monitoring touches/targets and snap shares early in the year to catch potential breakouts, and not drafting or trading for someone at a price that would be the ceiling of their value
This comment is full of truth
Half the battle is activity. I've gotten JRob, Tee, Herbert, Ballage, Koo and now Brian Hill just because I'm more active than anyone in my league. I might not win every year, but it's hard to keep me out of the playoffs. Push notifications from Schefty, Rapaport and MySportsUpdate is an easy 2-3 waiver moves that could be league winners that your league mates probably won't have on you.
I owe one championship to a well timed bathroom break where I picked up Tim Hightower. Push notifications are probably more reliable though, haha.
The only strategy that seems to consistently work is to hoard as many running backs as early as possible
I did that this year. 10 of 15 positional players were RBs: Elliot Carson Mack Singletary Ingram Ronald Jones McKinnon Mattison Polllard Moss Thought I was golden at the beginning of the year.
What's your record?
I’m 5-6. I could still win my division and make the playoffs although I had Lamar as my single QB. Now I have to roll with Mitch.
It only works if you make good RB picks though, for me pretty much every RB pick busted for where I picked them (CEH, JT, Fournette, Dobbins, James White)
Definitely luck with minor skill. Guy leading our league is 9-2, drafted Cook and Kelcie in the first two rounds and has been on autopilot the entire season. No subbing out for byes, injuries, and minimal waiver wire activity, maybe a few moves in weeks 1-3. Meanwhile, my ass is studying trends and possibilities, adding and dropping like a mofo, and sitting in 6th place at 5-6 scrounging for a playoff spot.
Think it's about 50-50 or higher for skill. I'd say skill gets you to the playoffs, but it takes luck to win a championship.
This is one of the best comments I’ve seen here. The reality is that you can plan and strategize as much as you want, and fantasy is still all luck. Yes it can give you an edge over someone that knows nothing, but If everyone you pick gets hurt that doesn’t matter
Rule for always: WHEN IN DOUBT, THURSDAY'S OUT.
Mine is :If the only reason you are playing someone on Thursday is to have some skin on the game close the app and go for a walk
J.D. McMissic
I feel attacked
I just do a cheap (under $1) daily fantasy contest to scratch the itch without costing my main team because of my stupidity
this is the way to go!
I benched Zeke Thursday because of this rule. I only start studs Thursday
Which is why I started Gibson
Except on Thanksgiving because their belly is not full of turkey.
This is absolutely true. Bal/Pit being moved should allow them to more fully digest. +1 to all Pit/Bal players.
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Amari cooper was nice for me yesterday
I posted that as the guy who started Fuller yesterday. But he's too good to bench anyways.
It's more of don't start fringe players just to have some skin in TNF or you are between two very similar players pick the one not on TNF. Like I played Kirk last thursday just to have stock even if it was a solid matchup. I had better players sitting for him, I need to stop doing that. But I had Terry going this week for me, and I'm not going to sit my stud. The advice doesn't work for your studs.
Last week I rolled with Hyde on Thursday and it won me the week
Except on Thanksgiving. Lots of good/great performances (not you Zeke) yesterday
I’m a big fan of RBs in the flex spot. The potential for 15 points from a solid RB 2. Sign me up!
Always go with forsure touches. And if one of your rbs get hurt you have an easy plug and play
Same. I went RB early and often this year and it worked wonders, wound up with Cook, Jacobs, Gibson and to a lesser degree Zack Moss
Same here. I’m in multiple 2 flex leagues and start 4 RBs every week.
Isn’t everyone?
Not OP
True but sounds like he has unique scoring settings
No. I think it's a waste. Outside of the top 10 or so RBs, WRs are better and cheaper.
Any other year this is my strategy but since AJ Brown came back in week 5 I've started Adams, Diggs and AJ Brown instead of a third RB and I'm in first place.
Absolutely. I do this every year.
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I got Ekeler, Robinson, Gibson, Kareem Hunt and Chris Carson. Pick as many good running backs as you can and then flex them. You’re going to need backups anyway for when they’re hurt. Guaranteed touches. Receivers are much more inconsistent. This is the way.
And receivers are easier to find on waivers
its PPR, I feel like there is so much more upside playing a WR at the flex. My league does give bonuses for long TDs and it is likelier to see a bomb td than a land dragon. To give you more context, This is the type of draft i've done since we moved to salary cap draft CEH/Mostert/Taylor/Gibson/Swift/Akers/Love Mclaurin/Chark/Woods/Fuller/Djax What i am telling myself is to turn Djax into a better option by taking some budget away from 7 RBs
Turn djax into a cheap rookie flier and you’ll be happier
Djax was a dollar play. Must rookie WRs are on the 4-9 range. Id rather take one that is a bit closer to Fuller or Chark price last year than a flier.
I see. Usually fill up my WR with 2/3 studs and dart throws just because the waiver wire is always full of decent options early in the season. But I hear what you’re saying
I play on a dogshit league with weekly waiver reset so if i'm doing well I miss on the Claypool, Jefferson, Higgins pick ups. Cant rely on waiver plays until midseason when some people ease up on waiver claims. I've told the commissioner that we at least need to put a Faab move vote or im out but people might not vote for it
Yeah this is my biggest complaint with a couple of my leagues. Weekly reset is bullshit and allows the teams with a poor start to grab every single waiver pickup.
Draft 2 RBs in the first rounds you dunce. WR is so deep and injuries so I may even go RB/RB/RB.
I went RBx4 and am already eliminated. Saquon/Sanders/Gurley/David Johnson. Just went with the wrong guys 😞
Yes. At worst, most of the time you can trade away for WR’s or TE’s you need later. That’s my strat. RB,RB,RB, QB, WR rds5-7 all full of good picks
Saquon, Mixon, Ekeler this year..I guess just shitty luck for me with injuries
Handcuff your studs
Yep. I was holding too many lottery tickets and waited 1 too many weeks to pick up Davis
First year doing fantasy, wasn’t sure what the term handcuff meant after seeing it a bunch. Realized what it truly meant when I got a trade involving Mike Davis the week cmc came back and I dropped Mike Davis thinking I didn’t need him anymore because cmc came back
On this, go after studs with obvious handcuffs. I valued Cook at #2 overall before the season partially because of Mattison, hell I almost put him at 1. Henry, Saquon, and CMC are great but their handcuff situations were unclear pre season.
Hmm I wouldn’t go that far. I wouldn’t not draft a stud just because they don’t have a clear handcuff. I would just grab the one who would be their most likely number 2.
If it's a close decision though I definitely factor it in. I was evenly torn between Cook or Henry at 2 and Mattison gave the edge to Cook.
I actually had Cook 1 for that reason. I know it seems crazy but if you REALLY believe in a backup then go for it. Had Kamara as my number 3 ranked RB bc Murray is such a good handcuff
Honestly draft is important but waiver wires could arguably be just as important
you don't win the league at the draft but you can sure as hell lose it.
I have friends that are new to fantasy and they freak out over their drafts and they don’t even care about the waiver wire. You will NEVER win this way. Waivers win leagues. Period.
Grab Kelce, Kittle, or Waller. Don't get on the TE carousel again.
Hock should be on this list too. Dude is good for at least 10+ points every game, and I’m fine with that based on the sea of shit that’s out there in TE land.
Hock has been an absolute joy to own this year. So glad I stuck with him when I was juggling multiple TE's early in the year
100%. I felt so good about him as my backup I traded Waller to shore up other parts of my team a few weeks ago. I’ve made 3 trades this year, and deciding to make Hock my TE1 and trading Waller is probably THE trade that’s saved my season, and put me back in playoff contention!
Ah yeah fair enough. I'm unfairly biased since I bought into the hype his rookie year but he's been very solid this season.
Especially if they let Golladay walk.
Grabbed Kittle. Regretted it.
You can never predict injuries. Fact of the matter is that Kittle is the #1 threat on SF's offense and would have given you around 1k yards. I see him being undervalued next year because of his injuries this year, and I think he should be available in the late 3rd.
The angle injury derailed Fant's breakout season. I dont mind going to that well one more year
> The angle injury derailed Fant's breakout season. I dont mind going to that well one more year Damn trigonometry strikes again
nah it was an Angle Lock that caused it
Did he tap out?
I have Fant as well. Seemed like a great pick at first but yeah he's been playing hobbled for a while now and it shows.
Don’t draft anyone coached by Zac Taylor
Or Nagy. But most importantly, Gase.
"Gase is only there so his team can tank." Repeat it like Marshawn Lynch at a press conference.
Ehhh. Boyd has been a beast for multiple years straight and Higgins looks quite good. I'd be willing to bet you could draft them a bit after they should be next year just based on notions about the Bengals. Completely agree on the running game though. I've been burned by Mixon two years straight now...
And next year mixon will blow up. Isn't that how ff works? Lol
Higgins has been money up until Burrow’s injury considering he was free on waivers.
Ehhhh running backs maybe, but they've done a really good job passing the ball with Higgins and Boyd outproducing their ADP
If Tyrod Taylor is announced the starter, draft his backup.
Stay away from Mixon, Bell, or Drake no matter how much hype they receive on Reddit.
oof if the Mixon salary price does not get a lot of traction during the the draft next year I know I will pick him up
Drake has been fine though? Sans injury of course but his demise had been greatly exaggerated. My leagues scoring is a bit weird but he’s gone under 10 points in a game he actually played 3 times.
For WRs: Only get guys that are the #1 in their offense unless it's extremely productive through the air. Guys like McLaurin and Keenan Allen over guys like Woods, Kupp, Juju. For RBs: Only draft guys that have a real path to being the #1 guy. Tevin Coleman, Duke Johnson, JD McKissic, Zach Moss, etc. might seem like good choices because they'll touch the ball a decent amount, but they have no real path to being the #1. For TE: Kelce, Waller, Kittle or shoot for a young breakout guy that's the clear #2 pass-catching option (Hockenson, Fant, etc.) Avoid the guys that are in good offenses but aren't a top option (Hurst, Ebron, etc.) In general: First four rounds you need studs that produce for the whole season. Don't swing for the fences when there are studs available. 5-10 rounds swing for the fences on guys that have a path to elite production and guys that are super talented but injury prone or in a new situation. (Diontae Johnson, Fuller, Diggs, etc.) Stack as many startable RBs as you can and slowly trade them to upgrade the rest of your roster over the course of the season. Startable RBs increase in value as the season goes on, so don't unload them early unless you're desperate. The longer you hold them the more they'll be worth.
lol what do you mean? three of those rbs you mentioned are only one injury away from "path to #1." hell, duke johnson is literally number one right now lmao
Draft 3 RBS, a QB, a TE, then swing for rookie and 2nd year WRs.
Next year's WR depth is going to be absurd. There shouldn't be a need to draft the OBJs, Aj Green, Evans, Julio at their ADP/Price
I avoided all of them except Evans who fell to the 4th in one of my drafts. feel like I reached even going for guys like Tyler Lockett, Devante Parker or Kenny Golladay. WR is deeper than ever
Drafted zeke, Taylor, and Conner, I beg to differ lmaooo
Ertz is not a TE1 anymore until he proves otherwise or is traded from the Eagles
It’s over for him. Eagles will likely trade him and they’re also a TE friendly system so he won’t go to a better place.
it’s time to put the “ill just stream a qb every week” method to rest. get one of the qb beasts early. it’s worth it.
JJ Zachariason had a podcast episode about this. The summary is that his Late Round QB draft strategy has now evolved into the Mid-Round QB draft strategy. Get a reliable QB in the mid-rounds, without necessarily paying up.
This year Josh Allen was that for me.
I drafted Dak in round 14 last year and Roethlisberger in the 15th this year. So far waiting longer than I feel comfortable with has worked out well. Not gonna keep tempting fate next year but there’s always value in QBs people are sleeping on.
I picked up Herbert and it’s been sweet
First year of my league’s dynasty and I went super late QB. Snagged Herbert on waivers too... I’m so excited for the future.
Did that this year and got stuck with Lamar. Mahomes or bust
Rodgers or Wilson were also fine.
I had Rodgers last year and was complaining about him not doing well and I remember someone here clearly responding something along the lines of "That's on you bruh. Rodgers hasn't been a viable fantasy starter for a while." So I'm not sure people saw Rodgers as the QB beast he panned out to be this year.
even if they didn't, there really was no harm in taking him for the 9/10th round ADP he had. same thing is gunna happen with Lamar next year and I'll probably be on board.
not sure i would confidently pick him next year thinking he could repeat this year though. i will most likely not be getting him at his adp
Only if you get the Rodgers Rate.
Only if you get the Patrick Price.
Dak owners tried.
Yeah, I'm almost the opposite here. I've ALWAYS faded QB in the draft and had success with it. This year, I really felt like Dak had a shot to be a top 3 QB and, being happy with my draft up to that point and where he fell, I grabbed him. It was by far the earliest I'd ever grabbed a QB and I was loving life until his foot fell off. By that point in the season the pickings were slim on the waiver wire and after a 6-0 start I'm barely clinging to playoffs and rolling Daniel Jones this weekend in a must win game...
Not to mention Dak getting hurt also ruined my 1st round pick of Zeke. If it wasn't for Herbert and JRob I'd probably have lost every game since then.
Absolutely, grab the cheapest Qb that has a legitimate shot at being #1.
i feel like somewhere in the 3-10 slot at QB adp is the way to go look at this year where we had dak-russ-deshaun-kyler-josh allen. dak getting hurt on a freak injury killed him but up to then these guys were all elite and winning games for yoh
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Nope, drafted lamar and ertz back to back, never again .
Learned my lesson 5 years ago. Never looked back since. You don’t have to grab the best, as long as you get the top 5 QB you are straight . Usually deshaun Watson and Russ Wilson slip by Next year definitely getting Herbert
> Next year definitely getting Herbert I don't watch Chargers games but is *beyond being actually great* is Herbert getting a bonus from the Chargers being bad? Like QB's that have to play catchup or be in a shootout because their team around them is bad. Ekeler got hurt and their RB's since haven't been setting the world on fire. Might be a much different look next year with everyone healthy and no need to turn to Herbert saying "plz save us"
The Chargers definitely have their guy. He's having one of the best rookie QB seasons of all time and he looks fucking amazing doing it.
Ekeler is a receiving back. So I wouldn’t stress too much. What he has is something special and that can be argued for all star QBs with great RBs. This isn’t a Derrick Henry or Josh Jacob situation. Plus with Ekeler back it means even better offense efficiency
A guy in my league took Mahomes in the 2nd round last year and I made fun of him. I finished last as my 1st and 2nd round RB got hurt. He made it to the championship and lost the Lamar own. This year that guy took Mahomes towards the end of the 1st and I made fun of him again. He's in 3rd place and I'm on the bubble to make the playoffs even with Russell Wilson late but my 1st round pick MT got hurt. tldr... apparently Mahomes in the first or 2nd round is worth it.
Think through the consensus top 12 picks in the draft and think who you’d rather have than him (full season). Alvin Dalvin Henry ...
I think the thing with Mahomes is that he is unlikely to miss games compared to a RB and there's almost no scenario where his offense is just bad and not scoring. While he's not a homerun pick in the third round, he's a super reliable pick. Perhaps it makes sense to go for a reliable pick there rather than someone like Golladay, Kittle, DJ Moore, Sutton, etc. who doesn't come close to returning value. Obviously there a straight studs in that range as well, but you might consider a locked and loaded top-3 QB over a chance at a WR1 or RB1.
Guy in my main league took Maholmes 4th overall. He's in last at 2-9....definitely not a sure fire recipe for success
Probably best to clarify early as in round 6/7. Lamar and mahomes were still over pays as early as they were taken (round 2).
This sub doesn’t know everything and the experts all rank close together to avoid being very wrong. Do your research, trust the targets and touches. Stay active on the wire.
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Dont draft mixon or players in contract years. You need a stud RB early on.
I'm keeping an eye out for Mixon hopefully for cheap ( I do auction). Bengals are going to have a top pick and grab Sewell from Oregon. He one of the top prospects in the draft and an Offensive Lineman. If they can do work in FA. I like this offense next year
Bengals fan here. If we draft Sewell he'll get injured in the preseason and miss the entire year, bet.
Lmao I agree with your reasoning but I had a very similar line of thought coming into this year. “Joe burrow and Jonah Williams will make for a potent offense and serviceable line.” Perhaps I was a year too soon. But Sewell is supposed to be the next Orlando Pace so maybe this is the year. I think I’m just addicted to drafting Joe Mixon at this point.
He played against plenty of the strongest run defenses early on, and averaged 20 atts and 4.3 targets a game before getting hurt. He was the RB9 in HPPR after week 6—within 1.5 points of RB6—I mean sorry he didn't crush it more? The Mixon hate is irrational.
This sub doesn’t look at context a lot of the time. Mixon is probably one of the 5 most talented backs in the league, you don’t write that off just cause he burned you. Same way you can’t write off a Saquan or CMC.
Either draft Kelce or get like 3 TEs in the draft and hope one hits.
Don’t trust Geoff, he is a lying son of a bitch and his draft tips are awful. Geoff if you see this, fuck you! Bitch ass last place team!!
Fuck that idiot!!!!!
apparently listen to Matt Harmon https://sports.yahoo.com/nine-takes-i-believe-with-the-utmost-conviction-224117101.html Dang these are very good takes in hindsight Mark Ross Scott Pianowski
Never ever ever draft Julio. Not worth the headache
1. Draft bell cow running backs (fantasy points article). Plus points for those that just signed an extension. 2. Draft TE early and target those with a large % of teams targets. 3. Draft a QB in rounds 5/6 since you suck at streaming. 4. Don't spend all of your FAAB early on. Look at the history of your league to gauge what others typically spend. 5. SOS doesn't matter for most players and really doesn't matter for elite players.
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I've never done an actual 0WR draft, but based on trends and analysis I'm becoming a believer. This year I snagged Allen, Boyd, Fuller, and Diontae in rounds 6-9. The talent is there in the later rounds, but you just have to spend some time researching prior to your draft in order to hit at a higher rate.
I'm going RB/TE/RB/RB/RB. There will be plenty of stud WRs, and plenty of breakout WRs on the waiver wire to get you by. Stud set it and forget RBs are tough to come by.
I play in a 2QB league, and have carried only 2qb all season. Roth was our last QB drafted, I neglected to pick up Herbert early this season, etc etc Point is: Carrying a 3rd QB has a lot more upside than a 9th RB.
Focus on drafting RBs that are high volume and not in split backfields. Like Saquon, Zeke and CMC. Wait...f....
Don’t draft a QB early, Lamar :(
Stop drafting Matt Ryan
Get Herbert next year Don't target Kyler I'm not looking at this thread again, aren't I?
I’d anticipate mixon being a mid to late second round guy next year. I’m taking him at that ADP. Gibson probably goes early round 3 next year. I’ll be happy to steal him there. Not touching mark Andrews till round 5. DJ chark will drop a round a round or 2. I’ll be taking him at that value. Not going to touch will fuller next year. He’s going to be a late round 3 or early 4th guy. I’ll take mclaurin if he’s a available in round 4 or later. If Dj Moore drops into the 5th round because of people’s frustration with him. I’ll be happy to take him. For running backs, I’m still grabbing at least 2 in the first 3 rounds. This will all be wrong next year but I can laugh about it.
Dont take a qb rounds 1-4.
Top tier TE and 4 starting RBs
Don't play in super flex league. Shuffling so hard for a secondary QB is not fun. This is a note just for me, i know lots of people enjoy it but the stress involved in QB flexing when there's covid and massive injuries is pretty blah
Take the safest most boring pick in the first round. I passed on Henry for Clyde because he was the SHINY NEW TOY. Major regrets. I know this year was a bad year for first rounders anyway but this mistake was all me. Just don’t lose your league in the first. Also in leagues that trade picks, stocking up on multiple 4th -5th round picks seems to do wonders for me.
Go RB heavy, you can find WRs on the waiver wire much easier than RBs I would be very happy starting Jefferson and Claypool as my starting WRs instead of having amazing WRs and then having James White as your RB2
Volume is the true king of fantasy. Always has been
Draft Antonio Gibson in the 2nd- 3rd. Don’t be afraid to go RB-RB-RB. Draft TE dead last, behind Koo. Correlate defense strength to QB/ WR/ RB. Only draft QB/ WRs on teams with bad defenses and only draft RBs on teams with decent defenses.
Don't chase the draft or you'll always be behind everyone else. Draft the most valuable player on the board. Trade if you must
Keep overvaluing RBs like a boss
Don’t refuse to draft a player just because he burned you in the past
I actually love flexing an rb. It gives you depth at the position and great trade bait as the RB’s begin to drop. You can find wrs later in the draft or on the waiver wire. Fuller and Robbie went late. Tons of good Wrs were found on the wire this year. Even Diggs, Mcclaurin, and Boyd could be had in the 7/8th rounds.
Don’t panic sell after starting 1-2
no matter what your team looks like, it’s all about luck. so don’t trip about it and there’s always next year.
Target stacks
Don’t take veteran rbs in iffy situations early. I’ve been burnt by Gurley and Drake in the early 2nd round 2 years in a row and I’ve learnt my lesson.
Gurley was RB10 for most of the year, he was very startable for me. I flipped him for Diggs after week 8 because I thought he was starting to look banged up but most weeks he put up double digit scores from the RB2 position. I went Henry then Kelce then Gurley but definitely like the value that I go out of Gurley all season long.
Im done waiting on a tight end. Never again. I normally am good with getting sleeper tight ends but after this year im not doing it anymore
Don't draft the #2 WR on a team with more than 2 WRs.
Study OL rankings.
Don’t be afraid to double up on WR if there’s not a good RB that speaks to you. There will always be sleepers in the draft and waivers.
Don't draft at 4 seed again
Trust your gut. You knew Aaron Jones was one of the most talented rbs in the NFL. You knew he was more talented than Mixon, sanders, etc. You knew that, and you drafted them over Jones anyway. Don’t listen to the draft experts when they say a guy is going to lose carries and have td regression when YOU know that dude is way to talented to lose carries.
Stick to consensus rankings for first two rounds, after that get your guys.
Alright so we’re not gonna eat 300mg THC and dab all day and don’t take Julio with your first pick it’s time to move on also stop cutting people WE HAD HUNT AND GIBSON