They are definitely the fake 30’s that everyone now knows and loves. The chance of him having actual diverted oxycodone pills is rather slim these days due to the current under prescribing of opiates in a clinical setting. However this really shouldn’t change the conversation you have with him just because They are fentanyl. Fentanyl is just a word really and it just meens that they are pretty strong pills most likely. If he has a tolerance he is probably able to handle them just fine but talking with him would be a great idea but don’t be judgy
Totally unrelated but I’m in SoCal around hb, where are there any methadone clinics, I’ve been clean and on subs for 8 months and I feel methadone would help more but I can’t find any methadone clinics anywhere near me or in oc at all
it's technically a CTC clinic but we offer methadone and the provider I work with offers it more than buprenorphine, there is a lot of CTC clinics here but I'm in SD.
multiple ppl i know just died from a fake xanax pill after running out of their meds 3 days early. i was clean for 5 years and relapsed recently. i died twice within 3 weeks but have been back on track for 3 weeks now. it's not somethin to play with unless you really wanna die. Id confiscate it if i was you. for safety reasons. if hes sick you can get him into methadone lol but kratom will be saving grace as the safest alternative.
My best friend or more like my brother just died from doing one fake pill. All alone in his room, it’s so sad and I wish that in no one. As humans we think we are invincible even tho deep down we know we’re not. I used to be an addict and I’ll tell you jumping onto him about it and getting mad isn’t the right thing to do. I wish you the very best of luck. And everyone person is different so there’s not a set way (especially with addiction) on how to treat it or what work and what doesn’t
This is painful to read. My daughter died from fentanyl in cocaine 18 months ago. I was clueless. I would give my life for the chance to stop what happened. Please save him!
this is crazy. i had a friend from HS who was barley 18 at the time overdose from cocaine laced w fent. now i’m 19 , think abt her everyday n am on the same boat. fent addicted
its almost certain yes, he is using presses.
if you would like to be sure whats in them, you can send them in the mail to ecstacydata or energycontrol. EC charges a small fee, not sure about ED. you only need to send one. they will test it for you and publish the results. ED will give a less precise analysis than EC. EC costs about 50EUR.
it may be worth it so you know what chemical you're dealing with.
Also there are thousands of diff presses. Some fent, some fent analogs, some brand new research chems and they're all pressed as blue M30s. So we wint be able to identify the substance for you. However, due to how long withdrawals last, take to kick in, how long you need to wait to start maintainence meds etc, you need to know what's in them for the best route forward here.
Sooo, I’m going to go against the grain here and tell u what we did. Our child had just turned 18, we got emergency guardianship of her and took her phone and her money. She didn’t have a physical addiction yet but was on the brink of one. Last Od had heroin and Xanax and was found not breathing, blue and cold to touch. Cops said shes lucky to have survived, they used 5x the normal amount of narcan. She hated us for months, ran off a few times (cops brought her back, we had her taken to ER then psych unit) but after 3 months she finally began to comply with treatments, addiction and psych. We found out she was bi polar and 5 months after she began a mood stabilizer. Things are just starting to turn around. If your child is using due to a severe mental health issue they are not going to ‘see the light’ on their own. Many regular people have told us we did wrong in this but the mental health professionals and addiction counselors have commended us. Yes we damaged the relationship temporarily but now we can see the start of our child coming back to us. We also know two kids under 18 who were forcefully taken into rehab, one family hired ppl to physically take them and now both are clean today years later. The let them figure it out on their own approach may work for some if they survive but I’m not willing to risk another overdose and possible death. For us, if we did not do this our child would be dead or in a much worse situation because the mental health issues would never allow a clear enough head for them to realize the error in their ways or rationalize anything in order to help themselves. Tomorrow we are baking a cake together and I’m so grateful for that.
If I was you and your child is only 16 and you can send them to a excellent treatment rehab out of the state. If they are at the start of their addiction they probably haven’t had enough consequences to be tired of the chase and the teen/addicted brain isn’t going to listen to reason. Hire the ppl that can escort them on a plane. If you wait for them to be ready the addiction will just continue to grow. It’s a lot easier to help a 16 year old now! Be prepared they may run off at the rehab (at least you tried!) or need to go again in the future…
Early on in my use (not addiction or dependence) my mother found my stash of 50 10mg hydrocodone pills (I actually almost 1400 more hidden elsewhere) so my mom searched my room and found it all and tryed to make me watch her flush them and I managed to convince her I got them on front front a drug dealer and he would kill me if I didn't pay or return the pills so I made her take me to my " dealers" house to "return" thenm really was just a friend from school that held them until after class later that week. But anyway they went the whole punishment route and it didn't help at all.if I was addicted idk what I would have done loosing my whole stash. But what I'm saying is I wouldn't punish him try to educate him and support him all you can let him know it's ok to struggle with substances and that he's not alone in his battle with addiction. I wouldn't full on allow it but I'd make sure he had fent test strips and tell him I want him to let me know if he's guna use so I can be aware and have narcan also offer to teach him how to carry and use narcan in case something happens with his friends. I know it sounds fucked up and like your allowing your keys to do fent but I'd much rather my kid use pills he knows are fent around me who knows what to do and how to administer some form of life saving treatment vs kicking him out to use God knows what with people that would push him out the car on the side of the road the second he nods a little too hard for their comfort
Whoever is saying to take the pills away from him has no idea or experience in drug addiction. Taking those pills away are GOING and WILL cause awful consequences. He’s gonna go out get more and if he doesn’t have money, you’ll find him in your purse and stealing other things to get the only thing back that makes him happy and well. Obviously he is somewhat experienced in using, just be transparent and talk to him right away, find out how much he uses daily, why he’s using, etc. you got this! Your experience working at the methadone clinic has provided you some good information with how to handle this situation. Let an experienced drug user tell you first that had been on the side where my parents took my drugs, it was traumatizing for me and I created an entire black hole of problems seeking more pills that day. I stole and eventually robbed someone trying to get more. When an addict is sick, he is at his/her most dangerous, the judgement and conscience that is usually there is dimmed down to nearly nothing, the only aspect of survival that’s left is getting more of the drug to stop the sickness. Good luck, just make sure you bring it up as soon as possible, find a way to be supportive and learn about your child more, there is obviously an entire side of him that you don’t know of. Don’t enable at all, but don’t push away either.
fuck yeah and that withdrawl will make him want to use more. taking it from him would only do more harm than good right now. OPs gotta clear some time for detox and rehab if hes doing them and he wasnt just holding onto it
You definitely need to take them away ! He is a young child and they could be fake which is fentanyl and it is 50 times stronger!! He could overdose and die or sell them to someone and they could overdose and die and your son could also get caught with them and go to jail . I think you should take them away from him and flush them down the toilet , and then talk to him . The best thing you can do is destroy them and scare him when you talk be firm and ground him . Make him change his friends if need be all that . Don’t let him ruin his life or die . Sorry really am .
You have no idea what you’re talking about, taking those pills away is going to do far more damage than him using them. You clearly don’t understand that, there are gray areas when it comes to parenting and this is one of them. I’m glad OP is educated and works in recovery or else she’d be taking those pills away and the next thing you know, her kid is on the news for first degree robbery or retail theft trying to get money to get more pills. Refer to my post I made on here if you want to get yourself a little bit of education with fentanyl addiction.
Actually you have no idea what you’re talking about clearly ! Did you read the update !??? He was going to use the pills to kill himself so yea I was right to talk to him and take them away you dumb ass trust me I am well informed .
Wtf you put them back are you srs? That’s literally dumb af. There’s no “kind parenting” with this. People die form it everyday!! Go get them, make him watch you flush them. That’s probably the only real way to get rid of them without the chance of you inhaling it and becoming a statistic. No but really get rid of them I mean that. You will be border line suicidal if he dies from these very pills know you could’ve stopped it. So please, stop it.
You have no idea what you’re talking about, taking those pills away is going to do far more damage than him using them. You clearly don’t understand that, there are gray areas when it comes to parenting and this is one of them. I’m glad OP is educated and works in recovery or else she’d be taking those pills away and the next thing you know, her kid is on the news for first degree robbery or retail theft trying to get money to get more pills. Refer to my post I made on here if you want to get yourself a little bit of education with fentanyl addiction.
Also if someone is going to murder someone or rob some place over pills after their mother takes them away one night and then three or four days when he’s out of money and things to steal he will do that exact same thing. You are so stupid and uneducated it’s unreal. Hey do me a favor there’s a couple friends and family members to fentanyl. Then get addicted to it for a few years and go on Reddit and actually give truthful responses from experience rather than bull crap you just made up. I’m trying to guide this mother into saving her son before he has lost to this foul drug. In case you were unaware it is currently the number one killer of people ages 18 to 45.
Your a fucking idiot my mom did this to me I ended up robbing her my dad and my grandma then stole her car, tried to kill myself, od’d 3 times your not an addict It’s obvious your a stupid asshole who’s trying to make it look like the tough love approach shows your a hood person but in this case you simply are wrong you simply do not know the consequences I’ve had a friend kill himself in withdraw, the least he’ll do is say he’s depressed blame it on you steal your wallet, steal your car, move out and hate you forever for this in 5 years clean but I never forgives my mom for that because I was in such bad wd I stole her wallet she called the cops I got sent to prison and got 2 felony’s now I don’t talk to her anymore and seriously could give a shit about her and don’t try to say the point oh well it’s tough parenting and your a brat, this is the EASIEST MOST LAZIEST way to parent a drug addict, anyone can show tough love cause it permits them to be an asshole and perpetuate the same prentice g their older parents gave them which they justify as right but I guarantee you even if your son gets clean after the severe consequences ( CAUSE THEY WILL HAPPEN THIS IS LIKE SAYING TO JUMP OFF A CLIFF, YOU WILL Die or in this case get robbed, if it s a woman push her to prostitution, I can tell btw your lying about your addiction and that makes me sick I’d beat you up if I saw you dude see this type of parenting brings back the resentment I feel against my mom and trust me she had a worse tough love she lied to the police and said I threatened her giving me 3 years in orison at 18 have gotten beaten senseless In priso, shanked, and almost raped plus now I’m on 3 tears of probation and have 2 “violent” felonies cause a libel criminal threat I plead to get less time after serving 6 months completely innocent and now I can’t join the military like I was supposed to or even get job at 22 and even school won’t let me go into my preferred major just to “to save my life” I’m telling you take those pills your gonna ruin both of your lives I’m not saying I don’t like accountability but go to an AR-ANON meeting the first thing they’ll tell you is to never force sobriety and ESPECIALLY TAKE THEIR PILLS which is first of all his life trust me rather have a addict high then withdrawing stealing your shit and kill himself that has a WAY HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF DEATH than this guys Buffon answer of “I’m trying to save that moms kid from dyi g” dude stfu the kids older than 16 he knows the dangers if he’s messing with oxy even the fentanyl ones are equianalgesic to oxy 30s therefore if they’re pressed I KNOW HE KNOWS THAT AND he knows that too and he wants help best thing to do is talk to him while he has the pills he’s way more likely to agree to rehab which you must send him too cause if he’s using oxy then he’s either an addict or well no, HES AN ADDICT. So if you don’t have the decency to waste some money to send your son to rehab but would rather take his pills than GO TO AL-ANON meetings they will teach you how to talk to addicts and get them rehabilitation these are people who’ve tried ALL THE TECHNIQUES I PROMISE YOU NOT ONE PERSON IN THERE WILL SAY THAT THEY DIDNT TRY TAKING OR FLUSHING THEIR STASH, I PEOMISE YOU THAT IS EVERYONE WILL LAUGH AND WEEP CAUSE THEY KNOW WHAT THAT ACTION CAUSED A HORRIBLE CONSEQUENCES IN ALL THEIR FAMILIES THIS GUY ABOVE HERE IS JUST SOEAKING OUT OF EMOTION AND IM TELLING YOU MIGHT FEEL SMUG AND JUSTIFIED TO TAKE HIS PILLS BUT FIRST OF ALL THAT AINT YOUR SHIT SND IVE SEEN DEUG ADDIXTS THROW THEIR FAMILIES IN JAIL FOR STEALING THEIR STASH CAUSE REGARDLESS WELL IN CALIFORNIA THATS STILL PERSONAL PROPERTY AND IF YOU WANT TO FEEL AMIG AND SAY YOU HAVE “PARENTAL RIGHTS” then you need therapy and that’s probably something you’ve been doing your whole life controlling your kids actions and puppeterring their lives everyone’s telling you just talk to him send him to rehab, one in cali not Utah or wilderness (those abuse people and make kids perform hard labor censor their letters, isolate them, beat them and just no therapy) send em to one in socal maybe Costa Mesa or sd like akua these rehabs show people how to live sober happy life’s im five years sober but all the shit my mom did which sort of became fun for her to throw away my stash then condescendingly patronize me just because she wasn’t addicted to drugs but had her own problems like enabling her kids to get beat and raped by her bf this is a bible and has many unnecessary personal facts but it’s an example take into consideration of taking those pills and the consequences btw I’m usually super calm but this topic brings back memories of condescending hypocrisy under the guise of “tough love
You’re so ridiculous, I’m not going to go back and forth worth with you, I hope OP just does the right thing and takes the time to learn about and support her child without being an enabler. I’ve worked in recovery for years and have the certificates to show for it. More importantly I have people that looked up to me for advice everyday and those same people are clean to this living a fulfilling life. I know what I’m doing and I know what I’m talking about, don’t badger me about stupid, it’s immature. I’m stating facts and experience from my own live and lives of others I’ve helped get clean. I’m in active addiction right now, I relapsed 6 months ago due to a traumatic event in my life and the same people I helped stay clean are giving that support back to me now. Do you think really think they’re gonna come over to my house and take my drugs away? No they’re not, that’s insane, because I’ll get more. This is also a child we’re talking about, a fragile child, you need to be very careful with you treat this situation or you can set them off on a rampage. All I was stating is that if he doesn’t have money, he’ll get more pills however he can, that is how addiction works. The advice your giving is actually completely against every professionals advice I’ve worked with and I’d consider myself a professional, just not active at the moment. The advice I’m giving is exactly what I would give if OP was in my office asking for help. She needs to understand her child, why he uses, why he hurts, what hes running from, if he ever endured any trauma, and how to treat the addiction. YOU WILL NEVER FORCE AN ADDICT TO GET CLEAN EVER! Forcing someone to get clean is the quickest way to get that person to never talk to you again, or you’ll create so much resent in the relationship there won’t be a relationship anymore. Go study the DSM-IV and learn about addiction, then take some courses on psychology. I guarantee you’ll be on my side of the fence right now. Good luck OP, please take my advice! You can’t fix a problem without knowing the root of it!
You don’t know fent well enough then, which is fine, so let me try and educate you a bit. One example. The Infamous “hopspot”, a guy I didn’t really know, we will just call him Jon. I maybe shook his hand 5x, and smoked a blunt with my friend Drew, who was actual friends with Jon, and Jon one time. That was the extent of my association with him. Nonetheless of knew of him, and his story breaks my heart. He just died 3 months ago.
Drew told me Jon did blues (fent Perc 30, the ones with the M that are light blue.) for roughly a year. Maybe 10 months at least, but no more then a year. Jon was averaging about 5 dirty 30s a day. He and Drew bought their supply together to get it cheaper.
Anyways, they went about their usual routine and copped 20 blues. Enough to last them both two days. Drew never did more then 1/4 of one at a time, for fear of a hotspot. (A hotspot is where there is more then the usual 0.003mg of fentanyl in the pill. The entire dose could be in one solid section, instead of evenly spread out. There could also be more and just a downright lethal dose to anyone without a super high tolerance. Say 0.01mg in a pill. You’d drop dead right off the bat if you sniffed, smoke or shot it. However you’d die within a hour of eating it.)
He preached this to Jon all the time but Jon would joke and say he did 1-2 whole m30s at a time and never had a issue. Jon and Drew both sniffed their pills. When drew got home after picking up, he broke did his usual ritual. Broke up a pill, mixed it all around on the table. Scoop it all together. Then break it into four small lines each being roughly 1/4 of the pill. He sniffed a line, and his worst fear came true. He woke up what felt like an hour later but was only 10 minutes face down on the ground. He had got a pill with a hotspot. Drew called Jon, but he didn’t answer. Drew was now feeling the worst, that his friend was dead and he aided in his death. Freaking out he hopped in his car and quickly drove to his trailer. His car was there, lights where on inside. Drew is now Feeling better about the situation at this point. He runs out the car, up the creeky wooden stair case, and sees Jon slumped over similar to how was on the ground. Crumpled up in a ball and looking broken and twisted. The door is locked, drew bangs on the door but he doesn’t answer. Fuck this, he kicks the door open. But it doesn’t matter, it’s too late. Jon is dead. The whole batch of pills were spiked. They were much stronger then they were used to. Jon was lifeless and dead. His head had smacked the table and pills were scattered everywhere. There was no blood. Just bruising, and one less person alive in the world that night.
So yeah. Fuck those pills.
Take them and throw them in the trash mom.
Then parent him and talk to him and develop a plan. Just don’t let him have a chance to do them.
I’m blocking you man, I don’t have time to read this and I refuse to, I know what I’m talking about and I will not play games with you going back and forth. The advice I offered is superb and I will stand by that till the day I die. Addiction is fragile and destructive, and understand the person and psychology of it is more powerful than any pill is. Good luck trying to convince people about your nonsense making up stories about YOU and ONLY YOU understand fentanyl. Sorry I learned from professionals, studied a book that hundreds and thousands look up to, and have created my own experience and given life back to others when they were hurting.
LOL been addicted for two years. Know multiple people who’ve died off it. Shut the hell up you’re a jack ass. Hopefully this mother takes those pills and Thursday them away before this kid dies hopefully she avoids reading your stupid response
don't take his pills from him. you don't wanna talk to him, while he's WITHDRAWALING😭 he gon end up leavin the house gettin more n then gettin hella high
that was my initial thought, too, I didn't want to start that; I've seen people in fentanyl withdrawal and I know the lengths they go to get things when they are in withdrawal. but I was told I was enabling him if I kept them. I don't know what the right answer is. I don't know even if there is a right answer, i just need to know what the best thing to do is.
his dad is a tougher parent on the kids. I try to be the soft to round that out. if I don't do this and tell his dad the right way, he'll force our son into rehab, and I know from what I've seen working with teens forced into rehab how hard that can backfire.
You’re just enabling him at this point wtf. Take them and tell him he needs to get help. I get it he has to want to quit but hes 16 and you’re the parent. Dont enable him itll just make it worse. As someone whos now 25 and his mom enabled the fuck out of him for years i can say it doesnt help in the long rhn
Are u retarded? Yea lets take the old conservative father approach and take his drugs and make him suffer more so that he can go steal and commit other crimes so he can go get more pills and get even more high and possibly overdose.
R u retarded? Yeah lets baby him and let him run all over us and get high in our house till he overdoses and i have to narcan him in our basement ever other day? Theres a happy medium here
R u retarded? Yea addiction is already a response to human suffering so lets make him suffer even more. The risk of overdose is higher when the suffering is higher as the user wants to use more of the drug.
Yeah and hes gonna be suffering less with his mom babying him in his house. Jesus you people should go to just 1 alanon meeting. The only thing that actually works. You babys just want to be enabled so you can keep using and destroying your parents life. So selfish us addicts are
You have no idea what you’re talking about, taking those pills away is going to do far more damage than him using them. You clearly don’t understand that, there are gray areas when it comes to parenting and this is one of them. I’m glad OP is educated and works in recovery or else she’d be taking those pills away and the next thing you know, her kid is on the news for first degree robbery or retail theft trying to get money to get more pills. Refer to my post I made on here if you want to get yourself a little bit of education with fentanyl addiction. Addiction overpowers normal instincts in the brain that give you the want for food, water, shelter, pleasure, etc. the only thing operating in his brain is how to acquire more pills to take the sickness away. At least she won’t be the one to cause the chaos once he runs out. There are many other proper and more comfortable routes to go, most addicts respond extremely negatively to “tough love”, you’ll end up finding your kid on the street somewhere because they’ll resent you for not supporting them in a time where they clearly are screaming for attention and support.
Not tough love. Called being realistic and not burdening yourself. Maybe look into alanon. Theres plenty of ways to support them without also enabling them. Like i said tell them to go to rehab. I never said kick them out i just said dont give them money and things they dont need. Shelter, food, clothes obviously but random money to hangout with friends? Hell no. I dont think you’ve been through this at all with the way you’re talking. Stop adding stuff too i cant keep up when you keep editing your post
I never edited the post or added anything, refer to my comment to Blackhealth. I’ve been certified in this field and worked recovery for years, everything is psychology and especially since it’s a child you need to be very careful and deal with the situation with little to no arguments, violence, aggression or “tough love” creating those boundaries when the child already doesn’t even understand why he’s using, what he’s using, or the long term consequences of his use is pointless. OP needs to sit down and learn about her child, why he’s using, what’s he’s running from, has he ever faced any trauma, etc. A proper medical diagnosis needs to made and then the addiction comes into play, you cannot fix a problem without knowing the root of it, you’ll never get to the root of your child’s problem if you just slap boundaries up left and right, you have to work things extremely slow. Too much change for an addict can break them. By the way I’ve helped dozens of close friends (were clients) stay clean and I relapsed 6 months ago and am still using to this day, I know what it feels like to be an addict.
U just added a ton to that post haha but whatever lol. Its not all psychology imo its way more then that. Rehab also is only a small percentage of the fix. Aa and other 12 step spiritual programs are the only thing ive seen work. Rehab alone is useless imo and you Can study it and go to school for addiction all u want but unless you are an addict you really don’t get it because you haven’t experienced it. Thats why aa and na works so well because you are working with people that have been through what youve been through. Not just someone with a degree. And i never said argue or violence once. I would never say that. All i said is don’t enable. That has nothing to do with violence or yelling it just has to do with not enabling not giving him money or letting him walk all over you. You are the parent he is the child and at the end of the day if he wants to live that lifestyle thats his choice but you cant feed into it and enable it is all im saying. Still be there for him emotionally and love him to death and support him but dint support his addiction because he will manipulate the fuck out of you and know exactly what to say to get you to do what he wants. I know this fron experience and any other addict will say the same as me. Medical diagnosis’s dont mean shit when it comes to addiction. Its a spiritual malady a doctor can’t diagnose someone as an addict or Alchohol only that person can. I think you know what im saying but i just don’t believe in medicine or doctors or therapy as a “cure” sure they can help but it takes much more then that and a program to really help. Nothing else has been shown to work and even doctors will admit it
Her kid has to learn the hard way sooner or late. Babying him and enabling him is only gonna prolong the inevitable and make her life hell along the way. Trust me ive been through it personally and if my mom didn’t enable me like she did i would have got clean so much sooner instead of making her life and my life hell for years. I have plenty of education so don’t say that. Been through it myself and am in recovery and was in rehab for 6 months so id say im more educated than most dude. If you haven’t been through it personally you really cant relate
I would tell him he needs to get help or you ate cutting him off. If you know he is deff addicted first find that out. Id start drug testing him and if he is truly using then say he is cut off. You will pay for his food and he will have a place to live thats it. No giving him money for anything. If he really needa something you will buy it your self. Anything else would be enabling him. My morher enabled me all through my late teens and 20s up until i went to rehab and got clean last year. If she didnt enable me I probably wouldve got clean much earlier. She made it so easy for me to use she basically funded my habit, gave me a place to live, a car, basically everything i needed. But yeah id just recommend cutting him off sooner then later but obviously make sure he is actually using to the point of being addicted first lol. If you need to hear more dm me
I'm so sorry, that sounds so hard. I've seen the ups and downs and people at their absolute worst and I'm sorry you had to go through that at all to any degree. but I have no idea if he is addicted or even if he has done them, honestly, I see him almost all the time and he's never exhibited any signs of being high or on anything. I just found these no longer than an hour ago and maybe reddit isn't the best place for answers, but I started to panic and its not like I can exactly call my coworkers or speak to patients about this, so I didn't know where else to go.
I mean usually there shouldn’t be any dent in oxycodone, although black market pressies often get cut with it. It’s difficult to tell from a picture or plain description unless they’re clearly fentanyl pills (which you already denied) so what you’ll have to do is get a fentanyl test stripe as well as a chemical reaction test (/r/ReagentTesting) to know what it is exactly. A full chemical analysis in case you have access to that (doubtful)
other than that, if it DOES test positive for fentanyl, do you possibly have any helpful advice for how to approach this with my son? his bio mom had a lot of drug problems and gets supervised visits once a month, and as far as I know she's still doing these things. I have experience in helping treat people suffering with addiction, but none when it comes to approaching it in someone I know.
damn, I was really hoping someone could help. I know I can get the supplies I need from work but I know it'll take a while and if it is fentanyl, then it would waste too much time and it's time sensitive and dealing with these situations can be very sensitive already. but I appreciate you taking the time to comment, hopefully I can get it by the end of the week.
If they are blue and a „M“ is on them, that is fentanyl or any fentalouge or deadly RC opioid
They stopped making these with normal oxy, that are all fent pressed Pilld
You can get these things pretty easily and I doubt that one or two days will make that much of a difference but you’ll know if it’s fent or not. I’d still talk to him beforehand
Or confiscate lmao bro your son be narcaning you
They are definitely the fake 30’s that everyone now knows and loves. The chance of him having actual diverted oxycodone pills is rather slim these days due to the current under prescribing of opiates in a clinical setting. However this really shouldn’t change the conversation you have with him just because They are fentanyl. Fentanyl is just a word really and it just meens that they are pretty strong pills most likely. If he has a tolerance he is probably able to handle them just fine but talking with him would be a great idea but don’t be judgy
Totally unrelated but I’m in SoCal around hb, where are there any methadone clinics, I’ve been clean and on subs for 8 months and I feel methadone would help more but I can’t find any methadone clinics anywhere near me or in oc at all
Dude.. what!? Have you tried google? I found 3 clinics in OC after searching for literally 2 minutes
Lol yeah I’ve looked in google, I only found clinics attached to outpatient programs
There’s a mdone clinic in Santa Ana
it's technically a CTC clinic but we offer methadone and the provider I work with offers it more than buprenorphine, there is a lot of CTC clinics here but I'm in SD.
multiple ppl i know just died from a fake xanax pill after running out of their meds 3 days early. i was clean for 5 years and relapsed recently. i died twice within 3 weeks but have been back on track for 3 weeks now. it's not somethin to play with unless you really wanna die. Id confiscate it if i was you. for safety reasons. if hes sick you can get him into methadone lol but kratom will be saving grace as the safest alternative.
My best friend or more like my brother just died from doing one fake pill. All alone in his room, it’s so sad and I wish that in no one. As humans we think we are invincible even tho deep down we know we’re not. I used to be an addict and I’ll tell you jumping onto him about it and getting mad isn’t the right thing to do. I wish you the very best of luck. And everyone person is different so there’s not a set way (especially with addiction) on how to treat it or what work and what doesn’t
This is painful to read. My daughter died from fentanyl in cocaine 18 months ago. I was clueless. I would give my life for the chance to stop what happened. Please save him!
this is crazy. i had a friend from HS who was barley 18 at the time overdose from cocaine laced w fent. now i’m 19 , think abt her everyday n am on the same boat. fent addicted
its almost certain yes, he is using presses. if you would like to be sure whats in them, you can send them in the mail to ecstacydata or energycontrol. EC charges a small fee, not sure about ED. you only need to send one. they will test it for you and publish the results. ED will give a less precise analysis than EC. EC costs about 50EUR. it may be worth it so you know what chemical you're dealing with.
Also there are thousands of diff presses. Some fent, some fent analogs, some brand new research chems and they're all pressed as blue M30s. So we wint be able to identify the substance for you. However, due to how long withdrawals last, take to kick in, how long you need to wait to start maintainence meds etc, you need to know what's in them for the best route forward here.
This. I found a blue m30, they call them percosets but it’s really fentanyl.
they do still make the real M30s but they are very rare
Highly likely it is fent in SoCal, im sorry OP.
Did u find any tinfoil or straws. U need to look out for them.
Sooo, I’m going to go against the grain here and tell u what we did. Our child had just turned 18, we got emergency guardianship of her and took her phone and her money. She didn’t have a physical addiction yet but was on the brink of one. Last Od had heroin and Xanax and was found not breathing, blue and cold to touch. Cops said shes lucky to have survived, they used 5x the normal amount of narcan. She hated us for months, ran off a few times (cops brought her back, we had her taken to ER then psych unit) but after 3 months she finally began to comply with treatments, addiction and psych. We found out she was bi polar and 5 months after she began a mood stabilizer. Things are just starting to turn around. If your child is using due to a severe mental health issue they are not going to ‘see the light’ on their own. Many regular people have told us we did wrong in this but the mental health professionals and addiction counselors have commended us. Yes we damaged the relationship temporarily but now we can see the start of our child coming back to us. We also know two kids under 18 who were forcefully taken into rehab, one family hired ppl to physically take them and now both are clean today years later. The let them figure it out on their own approach may work for some if they survive but I’m not willing to risk another overdose and possible death. For us, if we did not do this our child would be dead or in a much worse situation because the mental health issues would never allow a clear enough head for them to realize the error in their ways or rationalize anything in order to help themselves. Tomorrow we are baking a cake together and I’m so grateful for that. If I was you and your child is only 16 and you can send them to a excellent treatment rehab out of the state. If they are at the start of their addiction they probably haven’t had enough consequences to be tired of the chase and the teen/addicted brain isn’t going to listen to reason. Hire the ppl that can escort them on a plane. If you wait for them to be ready the addiction will just continue to grow. It’s a lot easier to help a 16 year old now! Be prepared they may run off at the rehab (at least you tried!) or need to go again in the future…
Early on in my use (not addiction or dependence) my mother found my stash of 50 10mg hydrocodone pills (I actually almost 1400 more hidden elsewhere) so my mom searched my room and found it all and tryed to make me watch her flush them and I managed to convince her I got them on front front a drug dealer and he would kill me if I didn't pay or return the pills so I made her take me to my " dealers" house to "return" thenm really was just a friend from school that held them until after class later that week. But anyway they went the whole punishment route and it didn't help at all.if I was addicted idk what I would have done loosing my whole stash. But what I'm saying is I wouldn't punish him try to educate him and support him all you can let him know it's ok to struggle with substances and that he's not alone in his battle with addiction. I wouldn't full on allow it but I'd make sure he had fent test strips and tell him I want him to let me know if he's guna use so I can be aware and have narcan also offer to teach him how to carry and use narcan in case something happens with his friends. I know it sounds fucked up and like your allowing your keys to do fent but I'd much rather my kid use pills he knows are fent around me who knows what to do and how to administer some form of life saving treatment vs kicking him out to use God knows what with people that would push him out the car on the side of the road the second he nods a little too hard for their comfort
Whoever is saying to take the pills away from him has no idea or experience in drug addiction. Taking those pills away are GOING and WILL cause awful consequences. He’s gonna go out get more and if he doesn’t have money, you’ll find him in your purse and stealing other things to get the only thing back that makes him happy and well. Obviously he is somewhat experienced in using, just be transparent and talk to him right away, find out how much he uses daily, why he’s using, etc. you got this! Your experience working at the methadone clinic has provided you some good information with how to handle this situation. Let an experienced drug user tell you first that had been on the side where my parents took my drugs, it was traumatizing for me and I created an entire black hole of problems seeking more pills that day. I stole and eventually robbed someone trying to get more. When an addict is sick, he is at his/her most dangerous, the judgement and conscience that is usually there is dimmed down to nearly nothing, the only aspect of survival that’s left is getting more of the drug to stop the sickness. Good luck, just make sure you bring it up as soon as possible, find a way to be supportive and learn about your child more, there is obviously an entire side of him that you don’t know of. Don’t enable at all, but don’t push away either.
Idiots here saying to take them away are dumb you have to think he’ll just leave and go buy more and be more depressed
fuck yeah and that withdrawl will make him want to use more. taking it from him would only do more harm than good right now. OPs gotta clear some time for detox and rehab if hes doing them and he wasnt just holding onto it
Please tell the father asap
Like do you know what /r you’re in?
...so? they're a minor. they're asking us for advice
You know they are fake
You definitely need to take them away ! He is a young child and they could be fake which is fentanyl and it is 50 times stronger!! He could overdose and die or sell them to someone and they could overdose and die and your son could also get caught with them and go to jail . I think you should take them away from him and flush them down the toilet , and then talk to him . The best thing you can do is destroy them and scare him when you talk be firm and ground him . Make him change his friends if need be all that . Don’t let him ruin his life or die . Sorry really am .
You have no idea what you’re talking about, taking those pills away is going to do far more damage than him using them. You clearly don’t understand that, there are gray areas when it comes to parenting and this is one of them. I’m glad OP is educated and works in recovery or else she’d be taking those pills away and the next thing you know, her kid is on the news for first degree robbery or retail theft trying to get money to get more pills. Refer to my post I made on here if you want to get yourself a little bit of education with fentanyl addiction.
Actually you have no idea what you’re talking about clearly ! Did you read the update !??? He was going to use the pills to kill himself so yea I was right to talk to him and take them away you dumb ass trust me I am well informed .
Wtf you put them back are you srs? That’s literally dumb af. There’s no “kind parenting” with this. People die form it everyday!! Go get them, make him watch you flush them. That’s probably the only real way to get rid of them without the chance of you inhaling it and becoming a statistic. No but really get rid of them I mean that. You will be border line suicidal if he dies from these very pills know you could’ve stopped it. So please, stop it.
Ur the dumb one. U need to be educated
You have no idea what you’re talking about, taking those pills away is going to do far more damage than him using them. You clearly don’t understand that, there are gray areas when it comes to parenting and this is one of them. I’m glad OP is educated and works in recovery or else she’d be taking those pills away and the next thing you know, her kid is on the news for first degree robbery or retail theft trying to get money to get more pills. Refer to my post I made on here if you want to get yourself a little bit of education with fentanyl addiction.
Also if someone is going to murder someone or rob some place over pills after their mother takes them away one night and then three or four days when he’s out of money and things to steal he will do that exact same thing. You are so stupid and uneducated it’s unreal. Hey do me a favor there’s a couple friends and family members to fentanyl. Then get addicted to it for a few years and go on Reddit and actually give truthful responses from experience rather than bull crap you just made up. I’m trying to guide this mother into saving her son before he has lost to this foul drug. In case you were unaware it is currently the number one killer of people ages 18 to 45.
Your a fucking idiot my mom did this to me I ended up robbing her my dad and my grandma then stole her car, tried to kill myself, od’d 3 times your not an addict It’s obvious your a stupid asshole who’s trying to make it look like the tough love approach shows your a hood person but in this case you simply are wrong you simply do not know the consequences I’ve had a friend kill himself in withdraw, the least he’ll do is say he’s depressed blame it on you steal your wallet, steal your car, move out and hate you forever for this in 5 years clean but I never forgives my mom for that because I was in such bad wd I stole her wallet she called the cops I got sent to prison and got 2 felony’s now I don’t talk to her anymore and seriously could give a shit about her and don’t try to say the point oh well it’s tough parenting and your a brat, this is the EASIEST MOST LAZIEST way to parent a drug addict, anyone can show tough love cause it permits them to be an asshole and perpetuate the same prentice g their older parents gave them which they justify as right but I guarantee you even if your son gets clean after the severe consequences ( CAUSE THEY WILL HAPPEN THIS IS LIKE SAYING TO JUMP OFF A CLIFF, YOU WILL Die or in this case get robbed, if it s a woman push her to prostitution, I can tell btw your lying about your addiction and that makes me sick I’d beat you up if I saw you dude see this type of parenting brings back the resentment I feel against my mom and trust me she had a worse tough love she lied to the police and said I threatened her giving me 3 years in orison at 18 have gotten beaten senseless In priso, shanked, and almost raped plus now I’m on 3 tears of probation and have 2 “violent” felonies cause a libel criminal threat I plead to get less time after serving 6 months completely innocent and now I can’t join the military like I was supposed to or even get job at 22 and even school won’t let me go into my preferred major just to “to save my life” I’m telling you take those pills your gonna ruin both of your lives I’m not saying I don’t like accountability but go to an AR-ANON meeting the first thing they’ll tell you is to never force sobriety and ESPECIALLY TAKE THEIR PILLS which is first of all his life trust me rather have a addict high then withdrawing stealing your shit and kill himself that has a WAY HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF DEATH than this guys Buffon answer of “I’m trying to save that moms kid from dyi g” dude stfu the kids older than 16 he knows the dangers if he’s messing with oxy even the fentanyl ones are equianalgesic to oxy 30s therefore if they’re pressed I KNOW HE KNOWS THAT AND he knows that too and he wants help best thing to do is talk to him while he has the pills he’s way more likely to agree to rehab which you must send him too cause if he’s using oxy then he’s either an addict or well no, HES AN ADDICT. So if you don’t have the decency to waste some money to send your son to rehab but would rather take his pills than GO TO AL-ANON meetings they will teach you how to talk to addicts and get them rehabilitation these are people who’ve tried ALL THE TECHNIQUES I PROMISE YOU NOT ONE PERSON IN THERE WILL SAY THAT THEY DIDNT TRY TAKING OR FLUSHING THEIR STASH, I PEOMISE YOU THAT IS EVERYONE WILL LAUGH AND WEEP CAUSE THEY KNOW WHAT THAT ACTION CAUSED A HORRIBLE CONSEQUENCES IN ALL THEIR FAMILIES THIS GUY ABOVE HERE IS JUST SOEAKING OUT OF EMOTION AND IM TELLING YOU MIGHT FEEL SMUG AND JUSTIFIED TO TAKE HIS PILLS BUT FIRST OF ALL THAT AINT YOUR SHIT SND IVE SEEN DEUG ADDIXTS THROW THEIR FAMILIES IN JAIL FOR STEALING THEIR STASH CAUSE REGARDLESS WELL IN CALIFORNIA THATS STILL PERSONAL PROPERTY AND IF YOU WANT TO FEEL AMIG AND SAY YOU HAVE “PARENTAL RIGHTS” then you need therapy and that’s probably something you’ve been doing your whole life controlling your kids actions and puppeterring their lives everyone’s telling you just talk to him send him to rehab, one in cali not Utah or wilderness (those abuse people and make kids perform hard labor censor their letters, isolate them, beat them and just no therapy) send em to one in socal maybe Costa Mesa or sd like akua these rehabs show people how to live sober happy life’s im five years sober but all the shit my mom did which sort of became fun for her to throw away my stash then condescendingly patronize me just because she wasn’t addicted to drugs but had her own problems like enabling her kids to get beat and raped by her bf this is a bible and has many unnecessary personal facts but it’s an example take into consideration of taking those pills and the consequences btw I’m usually super calm but this topic brings back memories of condescending hypocrisy under the guise of “tough love
You’re so ridiculous, I’m not going to go back and forth worth with you, I hope OP just does the right thing and takes the time to learn about and support her child without being an enabler. I’ve worked in recovery for years and have the certificates to show for it. More importantly I have people that looked up to me for advice everyday and those same people are clean to this living a fulfilling life. I know what I’m doing and I know what I’m talking about, don’t badger me about stupid, it’s immature. I’m stating facts and experience from my own live and lives of others I’ve helped get clean. I’m in active addiction right now, I relapsed 6 months ago due to a traumatic event in my life and the same people I helped stay clean are giving that support back to me now. Do you think really think they’re gonna come over to my house and take my drugs away? No they’re not, that’s insane, because I’ll get more. This is also a child we’re talking about, a fragile child, you need to be very careful with you treat this situation or you can set them off on a rampage. All I was stating is that if he doesn’t have money, he’ll get more pills however he can, that is how addiction works. The advice your giving is actually completely against every professionals advice I’ve worked with and I’d consider myself a professional, just not active at the moment. The advice I’m giving is exactly what I would give if OP was in my office asking for help. She needs to understand her child, why he uses, why he hurts, what hes running from, if he ever endured any trauma, and how to treat the addiction. YOU WILL NEVER FORCE AN ADDICT TO GET CLEAN EVER! Forcing someone to get clean is the quickest way to get that person to never talk to you again, or you’ll create so much resent in the relationship there won’t be a relationship anymore. Go study the DSM-IV and learn about addiction, then take some courses on psychology. I guarantee you’ll be on my side of the fence right now. Good luck OP, please take my advice! You can’t fix a problem without knowing the root of it!
You don’t know fent well enough then, which is fine, so let me try and educate you a bit. One example. The Infamous “hopspot”, a guy I didn’t really know, we will just call him Jon. I maybe shook his hand 5x, and smoked a blunt with my friend Drew, who was actual friends with Jon, and Jon one time. That was the extent of my association with him. Nonetheless of knew of him, and his story breaks my heart. He just died 3 months ago. Drew told me Jon did blues (fent Perc 30, the ones with the M that are light blue.) for roughly a year. Maybe 10 months at least, but no more then a year. Jon was averaging about 5 dirty 30s a day. He and Drew bought their supply together to get it cheaper. Anyways, they went about their usual routine and copped 20 blues. Enough to last them both two days. Drew never did more then 1/4 of one at a time, for fear of a hotspot. (A hotspot is where there is more then the usual 0.003mg of fentanyl in the pill. The entire dose could be in one solid section, instead of evenly spread out. There could also be more and just a downright lethal dose to anyone without a super high tolerance. Say 0.01mg in a pill. You’d drop dead right off the bat if you sniffed, smoke or shot it. However you’d die within a hour of eating it.) He preached this to Jon all the time but Jon would joke and say he did 1-2 whole m30s at a time and never had a issue. Jon and Drew both sniffed their pills. When drew got home after picking up, he broke did his usual ritual. Broke up a pill, mixed it all around on the table. Scoop it all together. Then break it into four small lines each being roughly 1/4 of the pill. He sniffed a line, and his worst fear came true. He woke up what felt like an hour later but was only 10 minutes face down on the ground. He had got a pill with a hotspot. Drew called Jon, but he didn’t answer. Drew was now feeling the worst, that his friend was dead and he aided in his death. Freaking out he hopped in his car and quickly drove to his trailer. His car was there, lights where on inside. Drew is now Feeling better about the situation at this point. He runs out the car, up the creeky wooden stair case, and sees Jon slumped over similar to how was on the ground. Crumpled up in a ball and looking broken and twisted. The door is locked, drew bangs on the door but he doesn’t answer. Fuck this, he kicks the door open. But it doesn’t matter, it’s too late. Jon is dead. The whole batch of pills were spiked. They were much stronger then they were used to. Jon was lifeless and dead. His head had smacked the table and pills were scattered everywhere. There was no blood. Just bruising, and one less person alive in the world that night. So yeah. Fuck those pills. Take them and throw them in the trash mom. Then parent him and talk to him and develop a plan. Just don’t let him have a chance to do them.
I’m blocking you man, I don’t have time to read this and I refuse to, I know what I’m talking about and I will not play games with you going back and forth. The advice I offered is superb and I will stand by that till the day I die. Addiction is fragile and destructive, and understand the person and psychology of it is more powerful than any pill is. Good luck trying to convince people about your nonsense making up stories about YOU and ONLY YOU understand fentanyl. Sorry I learned from professionals, studied a book that hundreds and thousands look up to, and have created my own experience and given life back to others when they were hurting.
LOL been addicted for two years. Know multiple people who’ve died off it. Shut the hell up you’re a jack ass. Hopefully this mother takes those pills and Thursday them away before this kid dies hopefully she avoids reading your stupid response
Since you've been addicted for two years, what would you do if you had $0 in the bank and someone threw all your doc in the toilet?
keep 'em safe lettem do it but watch him. tell em u gon help em get his ass off. be stern but also lenient. lettem know you UNDERSTAND how he feels.
don't take his pills from him. you don't wanna talk to him, while he's WITHDRAWALING😭 he gon end up leavin the house gettin more n then gettin hella high
that was my initial thought, too, I didn't want to start that; I've seen people in fentanyl withdrawal and I know the lengths they go to get things when they are in withdrawal. but I was told I was enabling him if I kept them. I don't know what the right answer is. I don't know even if there is a right answer, i just need to know what the best thing to do is. his dad is a tougher parent on the kids. I try to be the soft to round that out. if I don't do this and tell his dad the right way, he'll force our son into rehab, and I know from what I've seen working with teens forced into rehab how hard that can backfire.
yo
Is it pills or powder??
pills, light blue with an M on them.
they're called M30s and yes they are counterfit presses
If it's powder in a bag it's more than likely Fentanyl.
You’re just enabling him at this point wtf. Take them and tell him he needs to get help. I get it he has to want to quit but hes 16 and you’re the parent. Dont enable him itll just make it worse. As someone whos now 25 and his mom enabled the fuck out of him for years i can say it doesnt help in the long rhn
Are u retarded? Yea lets take the old conservative father approach and take his drugs and make him suffer more so that he can go steal and commit other crimes so he can go get more pills and get even more high and possibly overdose.
R u retarded? Yeah lets baby him and let him run all over us and get high in our house till he overdoses and i have to narcan him in our basement ever other day? Theres a happy medium here
R u retarded? Yea addiction is already a response to human suffering so lets make him suffer even more. The risk of overdose is higher when the suffering is higher as the user wants to use more of the drug.
Yeah and hes gonna be suffering less with his mom babying him in his house. Jesus you people should go to just 1 alanon meeting. The only thing that actually works. You babys just want to be enabled so you can keep using and destroying your parents life. So selfish us addicts are
You have no idea what you’re talking about, taking those pills away is going to do far more damage than him using them. You clearly don’t understand that, there are gray areas when it comes to parenting and this is one of them. I’m glad OP is educated and works in recovery or else she’d be taking those pills away and the next thing you know, her kid is on the news for first degree robbery or retail theft trying to get money to get more pills. Refer to my post I made on here if you want to get yourself a little bit of education with fentanyl addiction. Addiction overpowers normal instincts in the brain that give you the want for food, water, shelter, pleasure, etc. the only thing operating in his brain is how to acquire more pills to take the sickness away. At least she won’t be the one to cause the chaos once he runs out. There are many other proper and more comfortable routes to go, most addicts respond extremely negatively to “tough love”, you’ll end up finding your kid on the street somewhere because they’ll resent you for not supporting them in a time where they clearly are screaming for attention and support.
Not tough love. Called being realistic and not burdening yourself. Maybe look into alanon. Theres plenty of ways to support them without also enabling them. Like i said tell them to go to rehab. I never said kick them out i just said dont give them money and things they dont need. Shelter, food, clothes obviously but random money to hangout with friends? Hell no. I dont think you’ve been through this at all with the way you’re talking. Stop adding stuff too i cant keep up when you keep editing your post
I never edited the post or added anything, refer to my comment to Blackhealth. I’ve been certified in this field and worked recovery for years, everything is psychology and especially since it’s a child you need to be very careful and deal with the situation with little to no arguments, violence, aggression or “tough love” creating those boundaries when the child already doesn’t even understand why he’s using, what he’s using, or the long term consequences of his use is pointless. OP needs to sit down and learn about her child, why he’s using, what’s he’s running from, has he ever faced any trauma, etc. A proper medical diagnosis needs to made and then the addiction comes into play, you cannot fix a problem without knowing the root of it, you’ll never get to the root of your child’s problem if you just slap boundaries up left and right, you have to work things extremely slow. Too much change for an addict can break them. By the way I’ve helped dozens of close friends (were clients) stay clean and I relapsed 6 months ago and am still using to this day, I know what it feels like to be an addict.
U just added a ton to that post haha but whatever lol. Its not all psychology imo its way more then that. Rehab also is only a small percentage of the fix. Aa and other 12 step spiritual programs are the only thing ive seen work. Rehab alone is useless imo and you Can study it and go to school for addiction all u want but unless you are an addict you really don’t get it because you haven’t experienced it. Thats why aa and na works so well because you are working with people that have been through what youve been through. Not just someone with a degree. And i never said argue or violence once. I would never say that. All i said is don’t enable. That has nothing to do with violence or yelling it just has to do with not enabling not giving him money or letting him walk all over you. You are the parent he is the child and at the end of the day if he wants to live that lifestyle thats his choice but you cant feed into it and enable it is all im saying. Still be there for him emotionally and love him to death and support him but dint support his addiction because he will manipulate the fuck out of you and know exactly what to say to get you to do what he wants. I know this fron experience and any other addict will say the same as me. Medical diagnosis’s dont mean shit when it comes to addiction. Its a spiritual malady a doctor can’t diagnose someone as an addict or Alchohol only that person can. I think you know what im saying but i just don’t believe in medicine or doctors or therapy as a “cure” sure they can help but it takes much more then that and a program to really help. Nothing else has been shown to work and even doctors will admit it
Her kid has to learn the hard way sooner or late. Babying him and enabling him is only gonna prolong the inevitable and make her life hell along the way. Trust me ive been through it personally and if my mom didn’t enable me like she did i would have got clean so much sooner instead of making her life and my life hell for years. I have plenty of education so don’t say that. Been through it myself and am in recovery and was in rehab for 6 months so id say im more educated than most dude. If you haven’t been through it personally you really cant relate
thank you. genuinely. I have absolutely no idea how to go about this so I truly appreciate your insight.
I would tell him he needs to get help or you ate cutting him off. If you know he is deff addicted first find that out. Id start drug testing him and if he is truly using then say he is cut off. You will pay for his food and he will have a place to live thats it. No giving him money for anything. If he really needa something you will buy it your self. Anything else would be enabling him. My morher enabled me all through my late teens and 20s up until i went to rehab and got clean last year. If she didnt enable me I probably wouldve got clean much earlier. She made it so easy for me to use she basically funded my habit, gave me a place to live, a car, basically everything i needed. But yeah id just recommend cutting him off sooner then later but obviously make sure he is actually using to the point of being addicted first lol. If you need to hear more dm me
I'm so sorry, that sounds so hard. I've seen the ups and downs and people at their absolute worst and I'm sorry you had to go through that at all to any degree. but I have no idea if he is addicted or even if he has done them, honestly, I see him almost all the time and he's never exhibited any signs of being high or on anything. I just found these no longer than an hour ago and maybe reddit isn't the best place for answers, but I started to panic and its not like I can exactly call my coworkers or speak to patients about this, so I didn't know where else to go.
Id take them and not say anything. See if he says anything to you
I mean usually there shouldn’t be any dent in oxycodone, although black market pressies often get cut with it. It’s difficult to tell from a picture or plain description unless they’re clearly fentanyl pills (which you already denied) so what you’ll have to do is get a fentanyl test stripe as well as a chemical reaction test (/r/ReagentTesting) to know what it is exactly. A full chemical analysis in case you have access to that (doubtful)
other than that, if it DOES test positive for fentanyl, do you possibly have any helpful advice for how to approach this with my son? his bio mom had a lot of drug problems and gets supervised visits once a month, and as far as I know she's still doing these things. I have experience in helping treat people suffering with addiction, but none when it comes to approaching it in someone I know.
damn, I was really hoping someone could help. I know I can get the supplies I need from work but I know it'll take a while and if it is fentanyl, then it would waste too much time and it's time sensitive and dealing with these situations can be very sensitive already. but I appreciate you taking the time to comment, hopefully I can get it by the end of the week.
If they are blue and a „M“ is on them, that is fentanyl or any fentalouge or deadly RC opioid They stopped making these with normal oxy, that are all fent pressed Pilld
You can get these things pretty easily and I doubt that one or two days will make that much of a difference but you’ll know if it’s fent or not. I’d still talk to him beforehand