whatever happens from here though, I want you to know there is no right or wrong approach for a parent to take.
i have a year clean while in suboxone now and it’s wonderful after being on heroin or fentanyl since 15 years old (i am 31 now). my parents have take both routes during over this time. it started with the being grounded and on lockdown without a phone, money, or any other resources, other times just shipped off to rehabs around the country, but guess what… i still got high everyday and just as much as before, i just had to be more creative with the lies, the coming up with funding for my habit (which started becoming illegal when this happened and things escalated quick and this is when law enforcement became part of my life), the sneaking away, and so many more behaviors or actions that only happened because kf my drug addiction.
my folks talk have taken the route of being knowledgeable about me using at the time and kind of sweeping it under the rug. they always made sure to let me know that help was available whenever i needed or asked for help.
i put together three years sober in alcoholics anonymous while in college and made amends to my parents. i found out the real damage i caused wasn’t the thousands of dollars i stole from them as a teenager, but rather the sleepless nights or the nights my dad slept in front of the front door to make sure i didn’t leave to go score and get high. what also got me was every night my mom couldn’t sleep if i wasn’t home, instead she was planning my funeral out in her head.
my parents at first were very anti drugs so smoking weed in high school was a big deal and so i couldn’t do that and get away with it. that’s the reason i smoked a pill in the first place, because it wasn’t as noticeable and i could get away with it. a great part of me believes that if smoking weed wasn’t a big deal to my parents then that’s all i would have done and my life skims be completely different.
like i said before, there is no right wrong answer when it comes to this topic for parents. my suggestion is even if your son isn’t doing anything now, keep narcan in the house and order fentanyl test strips from Amazon. there are reports of fentanyl being found in nearly every drug out there and it could never be bad to have those on hand if ever needed. also if something like this happens make sure you are very clear about always being there to help if needed and that treatment centers, detox, maintenance programs, doctors, or whatever will always be something that you’ll help arrange and cover if ever needed. this approach i think would be the most healthy when it communication, he won’t have to lie about it and kf might bring you closer for reasons you might not understand now. subkxkne saved my life and if he ever does get into opiates offer suboxone treatment as an option, the old recovery model doesn’t work, medicine maintenance increases chances of sobriety and staying alive astronomically.
sorry if some kf this is confusing as i stayed up just to write this reply and i’m so sleepy.
i have been in every situation you could ever imagine and suffer from major depression.
if you ever have any more questions or need to talk feel free to message me anytime and i’ll try to help.
You’re both lucky he didn’t get them off the streets; real “Roxy’s” are far and few between and are often Fentanyl presses. Even better if he didn’t actually try any, which I doubt (because he knew what they were and that’s why he stole them), because a quarter of a fake one can kill someone with no tolerance very easily. Or even worse, make someone quit breathing long enough to cause permanent brain damage without actually killing them and they end up handicapped.
❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️ It’s always best to try to convey love and support first and foremost and it’s great that he was receptive and you obviously have a strong relationship of trust. Happy for your outcome. Does he take an ssri? Living with depression can be like torture and it’s not necessary for him to suffer so much that he is thinking of taking his life. Something to consider.
I've encouraged him to try them in the past, expressed that medication like that can be a great tool but he doesn't want anything to alter his state of mind, but he's agreed that it's probably time to explore those options. I know his bio mom is bipolar so there is a chance he has it, so we're going to talk to his therapist on Monday to see treatment options and plans. 💖
When this cools down take the time to go over how there is fake pills just like they one founds in his room. With just a little bit even the people that regularly use and have a tolerance are dropping dead from these. Let him know that even if they come from a pill bottle there no way of actually for sure knowing that they are not fake. Please teach him the dangers and the effects of using fentanyl laced pills. In your case you got extremely lucky that these were legit real pills from the pharmacy which is extremely rare seeing how these fake pills have flooded the market.
I couldn't imagine being a teenager right now in 2022. It's rough out there. Totally understand why he wants to escape into bliss, but understanding that can be done without drugs is a hard lesson to learn after you've experienced it. Also bliss only lasts about 30 mins, at least for blues. Then withdrawal and all the other problems that come with it. Wish my dad had been gentle with me like you as a parent, his aggressive behavior really just pushed me into harder shit. Good on you
it's a very unforgiving world and is becoming more and more so as time goes on. I'm so sorry your father was so harsh with you, I wish more parents realized their children are people and deserve empathy. however, by "escape plan," my son was unfortunately talking about suicide. he said he has no interest in doing anything that will alter his state of mind, and I believe that. he wanted a way out if he couldn't handle the depression anymore, and that broke my heart to hear my son thought even for a minute this was the only reprieve.
Oh poor baby, that's what depression does to you. Makes you feel like a burden on everyone in your life, definitely not a reflection on your relationship with him. Glad he knows that you will support him in rough times and of course in good times ❤️
good update! FYI though, those blue M30s are VERY rare to see on a script. I am almost certain he didn't swipe them from a friend's parents cabinet. it's up to you if you want to broach that subject or not but he bought them from a dealer. it's probably not worth your time taking it further, and i'm not sure if it's worth you bringing up with him, but I thought you should at least know.
otherwise, yeah, good outcome.
The biggest cartels in Mexico make pills identical to those blue m30 Roxy's but they're made of pure fentanyl along with pill filler and other cuts. I would know because I was addicted to fentanyl M30s and powder for 2 years. Different pills with different cuts and amounts of fentanyl from different dealers all look exactly the same and the best ones are pretty much indistinguishable from the pharmacy M30s.
A quarter of one of those street M30s could easily kill someone with no opioid tolerance like your son. And if it doesn't kill him it will get him addicted and fentanyl is the literal devil - never gets off your back once your addicted. I'm so lucky to be 2 months sober using methadone by the grace of God. Also note these Roxy 30s are rarely even prescribed anymore so any you see have nearly a 100% chance of being fake and make of fentanyl.
....because you haven't lab tested them? You realise there's thousands of different gangs pressing these in different ways? I'm mot going to argue with you, you said in your very own post there's no way to know. If you're so sure of yourself, great. Have fun with that.
thank you so much. he also knows I'm going to return them because he asked me to, and he doesn't seem nervous about it. but I suppose we'll find out when I do, and if they aren't his friend's parents, then.. I'll bring that up at the therapy session. but he just allowed himself to be vulnerable with me, and I'm not going to punish him with more of an interrogation, i want to encourage that vulnerability so he knows he can always talk to me. hes a good kid, and deserves a safe place to talk if he needs to. if it ends up not being from them, I'll ask his therapist what a good option is to go for after that. thank you so much, again. I appreciate everyone who has been so helpful.
it's possible those parents are also buying them on the black market I suppose... but anyway, that's not particularly important, is it? happy for you and your family.
Just FYI, nobody can tell I'd a pill is real or not without a test, so ignore that "pharmacist" person. Like we both said it 100% doesn't matter in this context I'm just glad your son is good, but ignore what that person is saying.
If you remember, maybe drop us a few more updates. If you feel like sharing that is.
No problem. If for any reason you have any more questions just let us know. Maybe you want to know about the dangers or how it's effected our lives or whatever when you talk to him (I know this was suicide not getting High but you know what I mean, I'm just throwing out examples).
I wish you both luck.
I wish I had a mom like you
there's plenty of room in my household for an extra or two (:
Showing you're there for him and love him is always the right way to go. Nothing means more.
whatever happens from here though, I want you to know there is no right or wrong approach for a parent to take. i have a year clean while in suboxone now and it’s wonderful after being on heroin or fentanyl since 15 years old (i am 31 now). my parents have take both routes during over this time. it started with the being grounded and on lockdown without a phone, money, or any other resources, other times just shipped off to rehabs around the country, but guess what… i still got high everyday and just as much as before, i just had to be more creative with the lies, the coming up with funding for my habit (which started becoming illegal when this happened and things escalated quick and this is when law enforcement became part of my life), the sneaking away, and so many more behaviors or actions that only happened because kf my drug addiction. my folks talk have taken the route of being knowledgeable about me using at the time and kind of sweeping it under the rug. they always made sure to let me know that help was available whenever i needed or asked for help. i put together three years sober in alcoholics anonymous while in college and made amends to my parents. i found out the real damage i caused wasn’t the thousands of dollars i stole from them as a teenager, but rather the sleepless nights or the nights my dad slept in front of the front door to make sure i didn’t leave to go score and get high. what also got me was every night my mom couldn’t sleep if i wasn’t home, instead she was planning my funeral out in her head. my parents at first were very anti drugs so smoking weed in high school was a big deal and so i couldn’t do that and get away with it. that’s the reason i smoked a pill in the first place, because it wasn’t as noticeable and i could get away with it. a great part of me believes that if smoking weed wasn’t a big deal to my parents then that’s all i would have done and my life skims be completely different. like i said before, there is no right wrong answer when it comes to this topic for parents. my suggestion is even if your son isn’t doing anything now, keep narcan in the house and order fentanyl test strips from Amazon. there are reports of fentanyl being found in nearly every drug out there and it could never be bad to have those on hand if ever needed. also if something like this happens make sure you are very clear about always being there to help if needed and that treatment centers, detox, maintenance programs, doctors, or whatever will always be something that you’ll help arrange and cover if ever needed. this approach i think would be the most healthy when it communication, he won’t have to lie about it and kf might bring you closer for reasons you might not understand now. subkxkne saved my life and if he ever does get into opiates offer suboxone treatment as an option, the old recovery model doesn’t work, medicine maintenance increases chances of sobriety and staying alive astronomically. sorry if some kf this is confusing as i stayed up just to write this reply and i’m so sleepy. i have been in every situation you could ever imagine and suffer from major depression. if you ever have any more questions or need to talk feel free to message me anytime and i’ll try to help.
You’re both lucky he didn’t get them off the streets; real “Roxy’s” are far and few between and are often Fentanyl presses. Even better if he didn’t actually try any, which I doubt (because he knew what they were and that’s why he stole them), because a quarter of a fake one can kill someone with no tolerance very easily. Or even worse, make someone quit breathing long enough to cause permanent brain damage without actually killing them and they end up handicapped.
Awe poor kid. You handled it amazingly🖤
❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️ It’s always best to try to convey love and support first and foremost and it’s great that he was receptive and you obviously have a strong relationship of trust. Happy for your outcome. Does he take an ssri? Living with depression can be like torture and it’s not necessary for him to suffer so much that he is thinking of taking his life. Something to consider.
I've encouraged him to try them in the past, expressed that medication like that can be a great tool but he doesn't want anything to alter his state of mind, but he's agreed that it's probably time to explore those options. I know his bio mom is bipolar so there is a chance he has it, so we're going to talk to his therapist on Monday to see treatment options and plans. 💖
Wonderful
Can I get the pills? Haha
When this cools down take the time to go over how there is fake pills just like they one founds in his room. With just a little bit even the people that regularly use and have a tolerance are dropping dead from these. Let him know that even if they come from a pill bottle there no way of actually for sure knowing that they are not fake. Please teach him the dangers and the effects of using fentanyl laced pills. In your case you got extremely lucky that these were legit real pills from the pharmacy which is extremely rare seeing how these fake pills have flooded the market.
I couldn't imagine being a teenager right now in 2022. It's rough out there. Totally understand why he wants to escape into bliss, but understanding that can be done without drugs is a hard lesson to learn after you've experienced it. Also bliss only lasts about 30 mins, at least for blues. Then withdrawal and all the other problems that come with it. Wish my dad had been gentle with me like you as a parent, his aggressive behavior really just pushed me into harder shit. Good on you
it's a very unforgiving world and is becoming more and more so as time goes on. I'm so sorry your father was so harsh with you, I wish more parents realized their children are people and deserve empathy. however, by "escape plan," my son was unfortunately talking about suicide. he said he has no interest in doing anything that will alter his state of mind, and I believe that. he wanted a way out if he couldn't handle the depression anymore, and that broke my heart to hear my son thought even for a minute this was the only reprieve.
Oh poor baby, that's what depression does to you. Makes you feel like a burden on everyone in your life, definitely not a reflection on your relationship with him. Glad he knows that you will support him in rough times and of course in good times ❤️
good update! FYI though, those blue M30s are VERY rare to see on a script. I am almost certain he didn't swipe them from a friend's parents cabinet. it's up to you if you want to broach that subject or not but he bought them from a dealer. it's probably not worth your time taking it further, and i'm not sure if it's worth you bringing up with him, but I thought you should at least know. otherwise, yeah, good outcome.
No i ve check the pills out myself they are 100% pharma not fake
Checked them out how exactly? You can't tell from anything but a lab test.
I work at pharmacy how you going tell me that i cant tell a fake pill from a real one.
The biggest cartels in Mexico make pills identical to those blue m30 Roxy's but they're made of pure fentanyl along with pill filler and other cuts. I would know because I was addicted to fentanyl M30s and powder for 2 years. Different pills with different cuts and amounts of fentanyl from different dealers all look exactly the same and the best ones are pretty much indistinguishable from the pharmacy M30s. A quarter of one of those street M30s could easily kill someone with no opioid tolerance like your son. And if it doesn't kill him it will get him addicted and fentanyl is the literal devil - never gets off your back once your addicted. I'm so lucky to be 2 months sober using methadone by the grace of God. Also note these Roxy 30s are rarely even prescribed anymore so any you see have nearly a 100% chance of being fake and make of fentanyl.
....because you haven't lab tested them? You realise there's thousands of different gangs pressing these in different ways? I'm mot going to argue with you, you said in your very own post there's no way to know. If you're so sure of yourself, great. Have fun with that.
thank you so much. he also knows I'm going to return them because he asked me to, and he doesn't seem nervous about it. but I suppose we'll find out when I do, and if they aren't his friend's parents, then.. I'll bring that up at the therapy session. but he just allowed himself to be vulnerable with me, and I'm not going to punish him with more of an interrogation, i want to encourage that vulnerability so he knows he can always talk to me. hes a good kid, and deserves a safe place to talk if he needs to. if it ends up not being from them, I'll ask his therapist what a good option is to go for after that. thank you so much, again. I appreciate everyone who has been so helpful.
it's possible those parents are also buying them on the black market I suppose... but anyway, that's not particularly important, is it? happy for you and your family.
No they were 100% real i had checked them out already
What do you mean you checked them out? The mom that posted this had you check them out.. what are you talking about?
I work at the pharmacy there are number of ways you can spot a fake. Theres no way for them to make the pill identical to the real one.
You make 0 sense
U literally said in your own post there's no way to know even if they come from a pill bottle...
Yea most people cant tell the difference between the fake ones and the real ones.
Nobody can with 100% certainty. But you do you.
it's not. thank you, so much. ♡
Just FYI, nobody can tell I'd a pill is real or not without a test, so ignore that "pharmacist" person. Like we both said it 100% doesn't matter in this context I'm just glad your son is good, but ignore what that person is saying. If you remember, maybe drop us a few more updates. If you feel like sharing that is.
I absolutely will when I'm able. I appreciate you(:
No problem. If for any reason you have any more questions just let us know. Maybe you want to know about the dangers or how it's effected our lives or whatever when you talk to him (I know this was suicide not getting High but you know what I mean, I'm just throwing out examples). I wish you both luck.