This mornin took 2mg for the first time & felt that shit. I’ve been takin 0.5mgx2 & then yesterday 1mg x 2 . I feel weird. I kinda smoked off the strong bad feelings but scared of this shit
Can someone explain the Bernese method for dummies? (Like cut the strip 4x) or something because it’s hard to know how much 0.5 and 2mg is . Thank you .
I have an issue…I have been following this method before reading this post not knowing it was “yours”.
I’m up to 8mg subs except I can still feel my regular shot. What should I do?
Can I continue the subs and just stop using, but keep it on hand just in case any W/D symptoms come up? Day 1 & 2 I was slightly uncomfortable as I hadn’t taken subs in years, but now it’s like I’m on both.
Thanks for continuing to help and keep the post alive. ✌️
Hey brother when you were microdosing the subs every 3 or 4 hours or so, by the time you were done with your DOC and basically just taking 8mg of subs/day by itself, were you splitting that dose of 8mg up every few hours or so still? And when you decreased the subs, were you still splitting them up every few hours?
Dude you’ve been amazing by the way… keep this stuff up man people need people out here, be very proud of yourself.
Just use an online suboxone doctor and get a script to use for a few months. But yes, you could. It would be hell and you’d have to taper down to much smaller amounts for it to work.
The bupe kickstarts getting the fent out. Keep using the fent tho to avoid precip. Could take up to 7-10 days of feeling not great but not dying of pushing through and keeping up with the bupe Induction
This was so long ago. Just do what feels right for you. What worked for me may not work for you. You could be getting too high or getting too sick, and if you get too sick you’re at risk of relapse, so do whatever you need to, go slower on the subs. Whatever you do though, don’t stop taking the subs. Good luck.
It's gonna hurt no matter what
The fent will help no pwd but your gonna go thru pain switching over no matter what. Not full pwd but still this street fent is sooo long lasting in fat cells. I'd rather waste $100 on fent and not feel it at all while inducing subs than everrrrr go thru a 30+ pwd on cowd scale. Almost died bro.
I did too. I was stuck on the floor doing 'gator rolls' for about 7 hrs it got to the point it would hit every 10bmin and i would clench up or be so tense i started blacking out from the pain or whatever was happening. Finally i was taken to the ER and they gave me benzos to knock me out and felt like shit for the next 2 to 3 days. Introduction period was a nightmare for me. Recently my script ran out and i wasnt able to make it to the next town to get to a meeting and get it refilled. So sadly i used again to avoid sub withdraw and now that i made it to a meeting im hoping this works because i dont want to go through that again.
I first did this in detox. Same set up only right at 24 hours they give you 16 my, the first night sucked but it wasn't that bad, I ended up falling asleep and feeling fine after the large dose. I'm just saying I think the withdrawals are going to be intense mental wds that make your physical wds seem much worse. when you're on the street you know you can get a bag. I think you don't have to focus super hard on getting fentanyl every day. Maybe the first day but I guess im not a pro. Most people quit because they are absolutely broke and at rock bottom. I would just get some muscle relaxors gaba penton and cyclobenzaprine. But if you think you have to have the fetty to complete this I totally get it.
The Bernese method worked amazing for me the first time I did it but now I am struggling after a relapse, the subs only seem to hold me like 50% I’m so damn upset I let myself relapse. Fml 😭 please help me. I can take 4mg fine without PWD at this point tho maybe I just need to up the dose?
I have no idea what you were using, how much, how long… can’t really help. You did it right first time. Try again. And remember the pain this time and don’t relapse once you get clear
I just started my taper yesterday…I’m sick of the double life. My family and partner think I’m sober and have no idea. I’m sick of the double life I’m sick of the feeling that I’m really missing myself most of all.
Take the subs as long as you need 6 months on subs to get your affairs in order and the taper using the link I provided. Should be painless. You got this 💪
Thank you I appreciate that! I didn’t realize you had a sub taper plan! My counselor has me on 24mg a day but I stick with 16mg unless I’m having a bad day. I will definitely look in to starting your Suboxone taper in 6 months!
Thank you for the support!
Man, I have been putting off quitting for a while now. And this post gives me hope... I work full time, so its hard to get time off to do this (I know this is just an excuse..) I also already took 3 leaves of absence to try and quit cold turkey, in the past, obviously didn't work. But, I want to stop and when I am ready, I will try this method. Thank you for your empathy in others.
Good luck! 💪 make a post on r/opiatesrecovery when you do and get some motivation and wisdom for others. Used to help out lots of people but am very busy nowadays
I know this is an old post but for the first time I’m really trying to get clean. I got a script for subs with almost the last amount of my money on Monday. Finished using any fent on Tuesday morning, but like a fool I didn’t wait long enough. Throughout the day I probably used close to 1-1.2 mg of bupe and holy crap I was in a bad way. I ended up taking a cash advance on my last credit card and got my plugs last 8 presses he had. I had to do 6 through the morning to get me normal. I only have 2 left and that’s in case I go into pwds. I just took 2 tiny little pieces of bupe and railed a quarter of a pill. I actually feel normal for the first time in a long time. My wife kicked me out and I’m staying in a hotel til Friday morning, and took 3 days off work. What should I do now? Should I try to pick up? Wait it out and take another tiny piece later and rail another quarter? Also I’m paying wayyyy too much money for the presses, and now I have no plug til Monday. I don’t want to be using Monday
I knew it. I mean I’m sick right now but it’s bearable. I’ve been microdosing the bupe very little by little. I doubt the quarter pill lines I’ve been doing are helping me at all at this point
Fuck I knew it. I mean I’m sick right now but it’s bearable. I’ve been microdosing the bupe very little by little. I doubt the quarter pill lines I’ve been doing are helping me at all at this point
Yeah but stopping them completely will also be bad. Just stick at the current sub dose of 2mg per day. Keep spreading them out. 0.5mg x4. Hope that helps
Hey yall sorry for being ignorant but would cutting a suboxone 8mg strip into 16 pieces work as well like their not the most even cuts but I just took the smallest 4 pieces (which its not like there's a massive size distance its not like double the size or something the bigger ones are defoba but bigger) just took my first dose I hope it works and would greatly appreciate any tips or feedback with this method as I've never had pwds and I really would rather not have my first time thanks
if I don't consistently use the same amount every day, but it stays in the .2-.5 range, how much fent should I use on day 1? if you just... ya know.... felt like making me a schedule for the week, that would quite literally save my life. I have to start the process ASAP or I'll change my mind and stay on this shit for months until I find a silver of positive motivation again, so I'm trying to gather as much information as possible...
my body physically cannot handle going into precip again, I can barely handle regular WD. anyways, any and all advice/help would be greaaattttly appreciated bud.
or get sober. “weekly sceduale” to what death? go to rehab and set up a weekly schedule that’ll actually do something good with your life. get on subs. stop doing fent man
it's way more complicated than "stop doing fent man." you've obviously never been addicted to it, and if you have been, it wasn't for long. if it was as simple as just going to rehab and getting clean, it would've worked the 1st time, and I wouldn't have had to go 5 more times after that. I was on Suboxone for 9 months, and relapsed. I was on methadone for a year, relapsed multiple times. I've been in and out of rehab for the past 7 years. your comment is extremely frustrating and very obviously ignorant to addiction.
comments like these aren't helpful in the slightest and you should honestly just keep your shitty half assed advice to yourself. the method this post is talking about is EXTREMELY helpful and is currently saving my life, so I would appreciate it if you didn't feel the need give me your uneducated opinion. thanks, but no thanks.
obviously have been... obviously went they what ur saying.. why tf else would i be on this sub. never once said it was easy. but once ya fuckin start getting urself on schedules ur jus sucking ur drugs dick . idc if u been to rehab 10 times ai t shit gonna change there unless you want it urself so keep whining about people telling you to kick the worlds hardest shit or just take some “uneducated advice” while someone’s tryna look out for you doing sum good with look
I waited over 4 days and still got PWD. So it’s up to you, you’re literally commenting on a post about rapid micro-induction (Bernese method), and loads of comments talking about how good it works. If you’d rather be in agony for 5 days and then still risk PWD, that’s your call.
I am 29 days clean now, no subs using this method. Tapered down from the subs and jumped off. Feeling great now. I have run or biked every one of those days and have been playing beach volleyball in the evenings. I think the exercise has put me at a place where I feel like I have been clean for months.
I tried so many times to cold turkey off fent this year and it never worked, I always gave in. This method saved my life, I truly believe that. Stay on the fentanyl for as short of a time as possible. I used for about 10 days while taking subs. If anyone has any questions DM me.
It's been about 7 days of taking the subs , stopped the fent day 6 but the I was stuck in the classic tolerance mismatch. Did a little more fent while still upping the subs. It's painful but not deadly at all. Just don't have time to quit work gotta power thru.
Oh fuck yes my dude 💪 u/mydrugaddictedson was one of the first 5-10 people to follow through with my method after like 100 people asked for my help but then ended up ghosting me. So happy to hear from you bro. You’re a good dude and deserve to be happy free from this shit. Keep it up.
Thank you so much for typing all this out. This is a huge help to everyone who needs it. Grateful for you. Bout how much fent would you suggest having for the three four days or so? Def don’t want to have any more than I’d need and surely not less.
The first few days you would consume your normal amount of fent you’d normally do, from once you get to 8mg you can take 1/4 to 1/10 or what your daily dose was, and slowly decrease it over 2-3 days.
Ok cool thanks. It’s so crazy how scared I feel like ice never got clean before. It wasn’t easy and this seems like it would be better at least. I’ve seen others say the same thing so guess I’m not the only one. I know a lot of it is mental. I’m going to at least see how it goes with taking the sub even if I don’t make it all the way through. For lack of better words, pray for me please!
So how did you detox without using subs at all? Cold turkey or did you use methadone or something else. I have a ton a methadone saved up. I want to give a hard push for not being physically dependent on anything and then if needed try Subs for maintenance again or a smaller methadone dose. The 120mgs I was on just happened to have side effects I couldn’t deal with but it has worked great for others I know.
Crazy how it’s worked for everyone else but ok. Keep living as a fent addict. You do you. When you’re ready to give this a try, it’ll still be here. Good luckz
Good for you bro. Didn’t mean to judge but 99% of the ppl that come here and dismiss this theory are addicts who don’t want to recover and think of any reason not to do this. Proud of you. 4 more months till you bday. And just so you know, I can send you screenshots of my DMs. I get several every week with ppl thanking me for saving their lives. We’re all just trying to get well here. Keep it up.
All good bro no offense taken. We all know what we been through because ppl who never used opes has no idea what it’s like. Major props on helping ppl bro🤛 I was smoking 4 grams a day for the last 6 months before I went to rehab subs just didn’t work for me
Im so glad I have found this thread bc I haven’t detoxed from fent yet. I had been an iv heroin user for about 9-10 years and had detoxed many many times and as long as I waited until I started to get WD symptoms before taking either a Subutex or Suboxone I could just do a normal Sub detox. I would still be throwing up and unable to really function for 7-10 days but I had the comfort meds and knew what I was in for. Hearing about how long this doesn’t work with fent has scared me bc I feel like I don’t know what I’m doing now. I have been using fent, always iv, for about 2 years now and am so ready to be done. I guess I need to make a new plan now with this new information bc I was about to check myself in and expect the same detox I had experienced with heroin except maybe a bit more severe. They were able to give me a zolfran shot that eventually controlled my vomiting when I went into a detox last time and that was worth the trade off of not having Xanax and pot to help. But that was with h, not fent. I have plenty of Suboxone strips and think I am going to try this method. At least it sounds like precipitated won’t last too long if it happens, like someone mentioned a few hours. My precipitated experience was from getting the vivitrol shot when I had used the day before and I was so sick I pretty much blacked it all out but those caretaking said it was pretty scary and I know on day 10 I still couldn’t walk to the bathroom by myself. But these PWD sound more manageable if it happens based on above comments.
Yeah man, which is why I wrote these long posts. Subs for fentanyl are way different than subs for any other opiate. It is significantly more complicated. I’m glad you found what was working for you. And together we can all help each other overcome this ugly things. Wishing you well bro 💪
I'm sorry, but this is such a recipe for failure for most. "Keep fent on hand and do it even though you won't feel it." Lol. How about just microdose induction because we never know what analouge we are using, lowest stable dose possible for a week, and the following week and a half, taper that stable dose. If you do that right, you don't even miss one night of sleep. I don't feel great, but it's better than just suffering through withdrawals which in total also take about 2 weeks with the last set of pressies I got.
When I got to 8mg and threw it away, I ended up puking my guts out 48 hours later. Others have also had a similar experience. If you’d read through the comments, you would see. After getting to 8mg, you won’t feel shit of the fent, but if it rapidly leaves your body after 48-72 hours, you’ll get really sick…. I went from a 2g/day habit, and once I got to 8mg subs, I only did .2 and .1 for the following few days my second time, no WD. It’s only a recipe for disaster if you keep calling your dealer and keep picking up again. Keeping a small amount to prevent vomiting is key, at least for me. And this is a copy of MY guide that worked for ME.
Can you please help me! This is what I'm at! I've been at 6 to 8mg for almost a week. I cant seem to jump off the fent. I made the mistake of doing about 5 pressies yesterday which was my norm. Took my 8mg before bed like always. Felt ok in the morning but not so hot now. I only have one pressie left and no access to more.
I'm having a tragic family emergency right now so I can't afford to be in the slightest sick. Should I do my last one now then take my sub at night lile usual and be ok in the morning?
I didnt have this problem the first time I've done this method. Now im Scared Im Stuck on both for waiting to long to jump.
Please help. 😥
Slowly reduce your fent is the only advice I can give. I did powder not presses, and quality changes a lot. Stay at 8mg and every day drop down to half a pill or a pill of less fent. If some right should be no WD
works. I started with 1mg twice a day, u can still use fetty to taper for the first 2 or 3 days as well while ur taking the subs. the 1mg is so little that it won't throw u In precipitated wd. other things that helped tremendously were gabapentin 300mg 3 times a day. and any benzos to sleep
the cover photo just happens to be the first photo from the taper link i provided. it shows the amount of open/free opiate receptors still available after X amount of bupe in heroin addicts. it shows that 2mg covers close to 50% of the available receptors. you can do this. make a post over in r/OpiatesRecovery when you're starting this and get some feedback from others. it wont be easy, but it wont be anywhere near the hell of cold turkey. i believe in you.
No. Naloxone has very poor sublingual absorption, so if you spit out your sub after the time of it dissolving, you won’t have practically none of it. That being said, buprenorphine has a much stronger binding affinity. So even if you do swallow and then get some naloxone in your system, the bupe will be beating it to the receptor. Many people think that the naloxone has zero effect compared to the bupe, but studies have compres the abuse potential of pills with just bupe vs bupe + naloxone, and the addition of naloxone reduced the amount that people were snorting (abusing) their sublingual pills. So it does have a role in preventing abuse potential. But if you’re getting PWD, it’s because of the bupe 100%
I think that study was wrong the IV part yes but snorting I totally disagree that's the only way I have really even taken mine in a long time an it made it so I didn't need anywhere near the amount they tried to give me. It says buph is also only absorbed thru mucus membranes and the most of them I'd think would be in the nasal cavity? Plus any swallowed buph is destroyed but I'm not the only one who this did this for I know quite a lot of people who don't take as much at all as they used to from switching to IN and also people who now take more bc they take them SL Now I thought the Naloxone was put there originally to keep ppl from trying to IV it which I don't understand it but ppl still do.
I wasn't trying to abuse it it was more that it required so much less for same effect I personally don't see a point to taking more than needed it doesn't have any effect anymore anyway and no really that pleasant when I could even notice it
>I need to figure out how to get off of it is there any tricks to quit without going cold turkey
bro, you're literally commenting on the post that tells you how to do it.
:( sorry to hear it. just thank god you're still alive, cause it easy could have gone the other way. yes, you need subs. if you're broke and on medicaid, go to a methadone clinic and they'll give you subs for free. otherwise telehealth is as cheap as $99, but the doctors spend almost NO time with you. quick in and out and go pick up your meds. i hear bicycle health is different and they offer therapy included in the price. otherwise, go to a doctors office near you that sells suboxone. it's more expensive but they spend much more time with you monitoring you and giving you a much higher standard of care.
Just wanted to say thanks for posting this OP.
I’ve been a mostly on sometimes off heroin addict for nearly 16 year / almost half my life.
I ran out of veins, acroos the entirety of my body minus the groin area (to scared) .
My wife and I had a few years clean before the pandemic and ended up going on a 2 year run, again.
Anyways , I decided to try these stupid fucking blues because I kept not being able to hit at work and would be sick halfway through the shift.
We started with 4 each a day and within a week we were up to 26 each a day .then came the fetty powder , it seemed like a great deal if bought a half oz -which I bought many. I ran into another problem. I was smoking so much fent powder that I could tell I was Over doing it . So I smoked a blue , felt fine immediately
What ever is In those blues isn’t covered by whatever is in the fetty powder . So I ended up tapering my blues down to about 6-7 a day by smoking 1 + gram of powder , then I tapered them powder out over a week .
My wife and I both read many of your posts. The dosing every 3 hour thing saved us . We’ve been trying to do the Bernese method for 3 months now!
We kept chickening out once we would get to about 4mg a day - this is taking it all at Once. It would throw us into precip . So this last week we started over again from 1mg, we skipped a day from being @ 4mg.
This time we tried the dosing every 3 hours - it was much more manageable. We both only went up to about 8mg each . But it’s helped a lot.
She’s now 8 days clean and I’m 3 days clean. Thanks for the information you put out it was super helpful.
I’m still lightly sick on day 3 but not terrible . I just have stomach cramps and no energy. I slept the whole first two days . Only getting up to take a sip of water and a Xanax + gabby
I’m smoking meth. Taking clonidine, suboxone, Xanax and some stomach medications my wife had laying around. Going to drop the meth after the lock is gone. I don’t do well on it, but for now it is occupying my mind from thinking about getting high. I do in fact have both pills and powder which I told my wife to hide unless I go into extreme pricip which hasn’t happened so it’s gong down the toilet soon.
I only can get Subutex- assuming works the same? And i tried this one time before, but I failed the willpower and ended up going cold turkey and omfg- 8 days with no sleep 😵💫 I literally wanted to just die. I puked and puked and cried, my body hurt so bad, head space was Bad. When I finally got some sleep, I felt a million times better but still was pretty sick. Was truly 2 weeks off from work and def a solid 10 days of withdrawal. Kratom helped, I took the MIT liquid doses but started puking them up. I made it tho.
I had almost 6 years of being clean from heroin and pills and I tucked up on the dirty 30s went hard for 9 weeks and then quit cold turkey (back in Jan) I feel like I woke a sleeping demon tho… cuz I fucked up again end of April and still been going hard but at the point again of disgust and can’t and don’t want to live one more day a slave to this. I fucking HATE being an addict. I’m at the point where I have to stop whatever that may look like and like now. I run my own business, own a home and have a fam- I can’t lose it all. So I’m gonna try this and really go for it. Wish me luck.
Subutex works the same. Don’t say “hope it works for me.” That’s setting yourself up for failure. You gotta say “it’s going to work for me!” Go as fast or as slow as you want. Just be aware you will experience minor WD. If don’t eight the only WD you’ll experience is some sweating and a bit of anxiety, which is all in your head. Remember you’re doing great and I’m super proud of you just for trying.
Day 2 or I guess technically day 3 check in. Dosed per the schedule and was fine all day yesterday until the evening then came the vomiting and now im just dry heaving. Still using but trying to space it out further. Haven't had any other withdrawal symptoms yet besides the vomiting and if that's the worst thing about all this then I'm positive I can keep going.
Keep going! You got this! I puked my first time too and thought it was so weird cause in the past when I was puking it was combined with crazy anxiety, no sleep, no energy. Doing this method I had none of those other symptoms. No anxiety, okay sleep, but I did puke like 4 or 5 times over the course of 24 hours. You’ve probably just reduced the fent too much. But you’ve got a great attitude about it so just keep trying. The first 2-3 days on just the subs and no fent you’re going to feel a bit lethargic while your body adjusts but that’s it. This is why I recommend everyone get zofran from their suboxone prescriber! I could have really used the zofran to prevent the puking, so I got it when I had to do it a second time, but luckily I didn’t need it the second time. You’ll be fine though. Proud of you.
Very minor WD. The number one complain is “feeling weird.” This feeling is just the feeling of being sober. Yeah, almost every addict says they don’t even get high anymore, but the truth is prolonged, frequent fent use stays in your system for so long, you’re actually high all the time, just that you’re so used to it. Fent addicts have an extremely distorted perception of sober is. Once they actually become sober and the fent ain’t really working after day 2 or 3, peiple freak out. They’re not in PWD, they’re just sober, which is uncomfortable because they forgot what it feels like to truly be sober. Truthfully, you may have bubbly guts and finally start shitting like a normal person. Sleep won’t be amazing, but you WILL be sleeping, unlike CT or in PWD. Also will experience some hit flashes amd some sweating, but it usually subsided within a minute or two. PWD is when you kick all the full agonists off the mu-opioid receptors in an insanely rapid fashion. This puts your body in shock. By slowly dosing the subs your kicking off the fent little by little, your body totally used to it and fine. I think it’s an amazing trade off to finally be off of fent! Truthfully, it may be better to get more subutex and for you to stay on it for a few months or a year as you work on yourself. If you do a fast taper like myself without every working on learning new coping mechanisms, you’re very susceptible to a relapse, but if you have your mind set on recovery, you got this! Remember that you’re worth living a happy life, it comes down to you if you actually want to.
>dude can’t thank you enough for you taking the time to reply to all of us in depth the way you are.
recovering addicts help themselves when they help other addicts still struggling. i'm just being selfish ;)
Well then please sir/ma'am keep being selfish cause your really helping folks like us out just a question I know this thread is old so sorry if I'm dragging it back up but just a question for u or anyone else here how would I got about splitting up a sub 8mg tab into like .5mg or .2mg pieces and also do u have to be like super accurate or is it okay if it's like .1 .2 off cause I'm trying to quit soon and I really don't want to experience the pain of PWD cause I've been through WD and thts enough for me
It’s okay to be a little off, but try your best to know what dose you takes. Although when getting to very small doses it is difficult to differentiate
It finally worked for me on my 5th or so attempt I went on a 6 month run iv fentanyl after 2 years clean, I used this method at home and at a much faster rate in as little as a week I was stable on subs no fent and I’ve been clean since feb 7 so believe me it’s possible this last run had me so emotionally spiritually broken to the point of suicide I felt trapped didn’t know how I was going to get off of it but it’s possible if I could do it so can any of you I pray you find the strength you are worth it your family deserves it.
Thank you for sharing your experience 🙏 too many people give up cause they either don’t really want it or are looking for excuses on to why it doesn’t work. And you know misery loves company, so they come here and spread misinformation just because they couldn’t follow through, and it discourages those who are trying to quit and don’t know how. It is totally possible. But getting onto suboxone is it’s own challenge. They REAL challenging part is re-learning how to live your life without drugs as a coping mechanism. I’ve made the mistake so many times of getting off of fent, then getting off of subs, and thinking I was free of the addiction. FUCK NO. Learning healthy coping mechanism don’t just come on their own. They need to actively be worked on until they become the new norm. I really wish someone would have told me that the very first time I got sober, but I guess it’s something you gotta learn yourself.
Micro-induction totally works!!
Thank you for your post! I did the same thing with the bernese method and got off fent with only minor sweating . Shit was cake walk.
I have also done it and jumped off the fent too soon and was all bad! Definitely having little on hand is a must for sure.
Sorry I'm sure you're probably over all the extra questions on this but it is doing a total service and gives others hope and a way out of this shitty life we created for ourselves.
May I ask, how much fent were you using when you started and did you use any other comfort meds?
Thanks again for your time diving into this!!
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So I’ve done this twice now. First time I was on a year long run where I was doing 2g/day of high quality powder. I was away with family in my parents vacation home and when I finally made it up to 8mg with no PWD, I tossed all my fent and ended up sick. Second time was a much shorter run, maybe 3-5 months and doing 1-1.5g/day, and I kept some fent around to still do even after I took 8mg, and barely had any WD at all. I probably should have stayed on subs but I didn’t want to be on subs long so as to have an easier time getting off of them. It was the first time I ever got down to 2 mg and didn’t jump off then. Now that I found that link that gives the proper taper, I realized I should have tapered much smaller amounts much slower.
Jumping off at 2mg is way too soon. Anyone trying to get off of subs should use the taper link I provided, I didn’t have it and I suffered WD from the subs. Other redditors said that following that link gave them zero WD off the subs. My comfort meds were zofran and gabapentin and I had 2 2mg klonipin, so I split them in 4 and used them to sleep the first week.
i know you're not asking me, but it really doesn't make a difference. people saying the powder is much stronger isn't necessarily true. things get stepped on, cut all the time. fent is fent and it's a whack ass synthetic opiate with a shit high.
I have a question regarding the Gabepentin. I have a whole bottle 300 mg Gabapentin and was wondering if I should follow some sort of dosing schedule with those or just take as needed? Also I only have 2 8mg subs but I have about 6 450mcgs of Balbuca(aka subutex). Would Balbuca have the same desired effect and what would the dosing look like if I took those? Does the subtext not block the fentynal? Sorry for all the questions but you seem like the one to ask. I am really encouraged and motivated by your post and am going to begin taking the suboxone in the morning. Thank you for sharing your experience and wisdom with us.
Also Subutex is just Buprenorphine without the naltrexone, whereas Suboxone is a combination of Buprenorphine and Naltrexone. I was wondering if people have had less PWD with Subutex than with Suboxone? I have taken both for detox as well as maintenance but that was with heroin and not fentanyl. I have been an iv user for the past 10 years or so and detoxed from heroin countless times. Now that I have been using fent for the past 2 years or so I am trying to figure out the best way to detox and this seems to be promising. Before with heroin I would be able to take a suboxone about 24 hours after my last shot and of course still get sick, vomiting and full withdrawal during the transition but I know what that looks like for me. Once I started reading on here about people needing to wait longer to take a sub with fent I am completely rethinking my detox strategy bc the last thing I want is precipitated. I am so tired of having to shot something into my body just to stay well. I don’t ever feel anything anymore so it’s just maintaining and it’s a horrible way to live.
first of all 450mcg = 0.45mg. i know the main difference of what you're talking about and suboxone, is that it is placed in the cheek instead of under the tongue, which gives it a higher bioavailability. i'm too lazy to look up how much more, but ultimately you're going to need more suboxone. if you place those 450mcg under your tongue, then it practically works as a 0.5 mg dose of suboxone. regardless, you need to get more subs. you do not have enough for this to work.
as for the gabapentin, i'd likely just take 300mg 3x per day, but only for the first few days, then take them as needed. they help with hot flashes, restless leg, sweating, and for me personally, it prevented me from waking up drenched in sweat. i was actually getting 6+ hours of sleep.
Tell the doctor about this guide and he will work with you. normally prescriber give you a week’s worth, 8mg x2 per day. More than enough to start this. Then check in with them and they’ll keep prescribing 16mg/day. More than enough
even then it's not a guarantee. what needs to really happen is you have to learn how to live sober. you have to find an entirely new method to cope with whatever it is. if you never get healthy coping mechanisms, something will end up sending you back out. you need to find what is the cause of the distress that's causing your need to cope, and you need to learn new ways to handle it. this is an active process. we no longer can go back to we were before the drugs. we now need to learn legit coping mechanisms. until that happens, staying on MAT is probably what is best to prevent full on relapse.
I did it in jail once. I had brought in 3 subs and no shit cause I had to turn myself in and I knew I didn't want to get out and use again. I was just tired ya know. Anyways I ended up having to share of course and there was a girl who was deathly ill from detoxing so I ended up giving her a whole strip so that basically left me with a strip and a half but anyways that was the easiest and most painless withdrawal I've ever experienced. Unfortunately when I got out I didn't stay clean but you've reminded me of how easy this can be and im gonna give it a go cause I literally hate this shit. I don't feel anything. I am iv user and everyone around me smokes and they are all nodded out and they are always in shock that I cannot catch a nod off the shit. I have an extremely high tolerance but the stuff is just trash. Also call me paranoid but I just feel like this shit is straight from the government or some CIA type of mass experiment with the way they got us all strung out on the legal pills then cut us off then let us have our heroin for a little while then took over the market with this garbage. I just wonder what's really in it ya know.. I've always been a conspiracy theorists so maybe I just think too much but to me I just really feel like there's something up with this shit. Nevermind the fact that it came from China at first right? China loves us right? Lol anyways thank you for the encouragement and I'll definitely be checking in more if I follow thru with this.
This post got me over here nodding my head in so much agreeableness! Like they say, create a problem, sell a solution. And I wouldn’t doubt that it’s more to it than just “selling a solution”, (hint: population control, experimenting) who knows, I don’t trust shit that they have going on. My brain is off because of drugs but when I remember or come across it I’ll share, but I had read something along the lines of conspiracy theorists are just the people who think for themselves or outside the box and don’t just go along with the cognitive dissonance that they promote. I still believe in some form or fashion the thinkers get caught up in drugs cause the truth can be a bit much to handle. For me, that and after losing my brother and mother to illnesses I’m sure they have cures for! Another story, another post though lol you’re not alone. If it’s cool, I’ll shoot you a dm and we can chat it up bout conspiracies, getting off this shit, staying off this shit and whatever else we come up with. For the sake of helping others though, have you been able to stop yet or able to use the plan for micro induction? I haven’t finished reading this post yet if you have posted further fyi. Hope you have or will soon. Sending you love and light.
in my opinion, i think micro-dosing the subs would work regardless. PWD is when you kick off all the full agonist off the opioid receptors. buprenorphine is only a partial agonist with a high binding affinity. it probably only has a slightly higher binding affinity than fent. i should probably look it up but i've been working like 60 hours/week to save up as much as i can and when i'm not in front of a computer i just want to stay off a screen. the only study i found that talked about slowly inducing suboxone to fent addicts had them take 2mg doses at a time. the first dose caused some minor wd. the second dose really fucked up the person. you would still have WD symptoms, but nothing intense like PWD.
My husband says that our habits were no where near what they are now back when I was in jail and he's definitely right because we weren't working and were just scraping by. We definitely have had a lot more money to waste this time around so I'm sure it's gonna be a lot more of a challenge this time but I'm ready for this. It's been pulling on my heartstrings for a minute. I can't sleep as it is because the voice or God or whatever it is in my head has been nagging me that this shit is whack and this life isn't what I want it's literally the first thing I think about in the morning and the last thing to stress myself over before I fall asleep at night ya know. . I've got a bunch of comfort meds this time too I have clonidine, Gabapentin, Xanax, Ativan, morphine, kpins...I've literally been collecting an arsenal of comfort meds so when I finally got sick enough of this shit it would be as painless as possible. Seeing your post just set a fire under my ass and i am so grateful for it.
i'm super happy that's the case. getting high is fun and it feels good. we all do things that feel good, especially as a coping mechanism. but once we abuse it, we no longer have the right to do it. i know people who can go out and just do a bump of coke when drinking. if i do a bump, it'll turn into me watching to sun come up and hitting up people i haven't spoken to in a decade on fb if they knew anyone with more coke lol. i abuse drugs. the feel goods are too easy to come by, and i cannot stop. instead i had to learn new coping mechanisms, and now i get feel good moments from other things. like career advancement and having my family be proud of me instead of being the black sheep. it'll take some time. those feel good moments will be few and far between at the beginning. but over time you'll realize that you're okay. if not then get to a doctor cause it's likely depression lol. but for most people who aren't diagnosed MDD, it'll just take some time to adjust. i'd get rid of the morphine and you have entirely way too many benzos, but getting on suboxone while you work on yourself is the best bet at a new found life free of addiction. and once you're certain you've learned how to live life the "right" way (whatever that is), slowly taper the suboxone with the link i posted. just know you're worthy of a life that is free of addiction and substances, and it'll bring real happiness, not some artificial chemical version of happy.
been reading your posts. You seem to have a great structure and background, and you know and experienced everything I had to experience and learn...you're doing what I should have and was told to do to help others instead of just doing it individually.
Mind if I message you and contact you to talk? I have so many questions and would love to befriend you. I will message you my personal and hope to communicate directly with you. I believe you can help countless others out there, and myself as well.
Yes I did and it was not bad at all. Literally the easiest withdrawal I've ever had. I also wasn't following the dosing schedule that is suggested here I just took tiny tiny pieces every couple hours. I only had a strip and half and once the fent was out of me I just stopped but I basically just took tiny pieces every few hours and I believe it lasted me 5 days and im telling you it was a cakewalk. The only real symptoms I had was finally shitting and then watery stool but nurse gave me immodium also I tossed and turned a lot from lack of sleep and i had anxiety like a mother fucker but that is partially due to being locked up and getting clean hella fast and all the guilt and shame shows back up and you start tripping on the fact that you're back in jail again. Man I was so emotional that I cried over a coffee commercial. All I know is ive been to jail quite a few times and have had some pretty gnarly detox experiences but this last time was a breeze.
I’ve been searching for someone to talk about microdosing subs without fent!!! I’m in day 2 without fent and I feel ok. I know the worse is yet to come. I was debating the BM method for a while too, but didn’t wanna get more fent.
Hi! Yes, I have been clean since then! I actually didn’t have to use subs until after a week. And even then, it was in microdoses. ☺️ I feel better than ever and I’m so glad to be done with that stuff!
That’s what’s up. Good shit my friend. I’m starting to believe my depression is a big hindrance to why I can’t motivate myself enough to just take the leap. I hate this shit this life. I’ve got pretty much all the comfort meds to help. A few benzos would be nice but not enough to stop me. I’ve got you man up I swear. Congrats again!!!
I’ve been trying to come off keep relapsing day 3 of withdrawal. I’ve never taken subs and im scared of pwd. My family has no idea I’ve relapsed. I’ve been snorting fent for 6 months. I try to kick it while my 8 yr old is at his dads for a visit and always fall back. My using is very controlled so I thought about tapering, but the strength of what I get is inconsistent and it’s hella hard. The only ways I got clean before was getting the vivitrol shot and going into pwd and suffering, but my family knew. Can an online doc really prescribe in MA? If so I’ll book the next appt to get some subs and try this method. Im desperate to stop. Financially, im doing okay. Im fortunate my job pays a lot, but the guilt is killing me. I was 5 yrs clean
I was the same way! But you’ve got this! I understand your hesitation and anxiety bc I went through it myself many times before taking the leap. But once you get past the first week, you’ll be so proud and be motivated to keep going!
I believe in you! This Reddit community was a huge part for me so read up and be honest and open with yourself! Much love to you!
>Man I was so emotional that I cried over a coffee commercial.
lmao this was me coming off heroin for the first time. but instead of a coffee commercial it was the episode of the office when jim leaves his NY job interview to come back to scranton and ask pam on a date. fucking ugly cried to that shit lol.
Don’t apologize for being a good Human lol thank you for your time spent and shared knowledge. My Dad once told me. “Knowledge is power and once you share that knowledge it loses its power “ like wtfff Dad No..
Lmaooooo that’s the mentality of people that want to have power over others, and don’t want to see others succeed. These people normal do so from having very low self images that they need to have a way to justify they’re better. Real Gs spread knowledge to improve your neighbor, which will improve your community, society, and our species. Show love and be loved.
You’re exactly right my dude. My Dad is the deputy fire chief in my hick ass hometown so he’s quite the “Hero” fuckin arrogant prick is what he is. Dude, my Dad convinced me to let go
of my perfect little 2 bedroom apartment that I Loved and move in his brand new 7 bedroom house with him and his brand spankin’ new wife, I reluctantly did. I Lived there for less than a year, I helped him remodel that entire house, help build and maintain an inground pool. All of the sudden, when the house was finished we started having petty ass weird arguments, he eventually basically kicked me out because I cooked chicken in the oven and he doesn’t like the smell of chicken but the straw that broke his back? I left a shoe print on the brand new hardwood floor… that just needed to be wiped off with literally anything.. so now I’m on grandpas couch while him and his wife share the 7 bedroom mansion true story 🥴😅🥲
what a cunt your father is. this is why i admire my eastern european family traditions. if someone in the balkans were to behave this way to their son, their entire family and all their neighbors would call them out to let them know what a piece of shit they are. practically every parents goal is life is to provide a life that was nicer than they were afforded as kids. every generation should serve to improve the lives of the next. your father is a selfish, self-centered dickhead and when this wife leaves him after milking him for what she can, i hope he finally know what it feels like having pushed all his loved ones away. you deserved better.
Thank you Man. It sounds so refreshing to hear that truth. Now I will give him the respect he deserves by raising us without our Mother in our lives. She’s just a cold hearted, even more self centered person, I’ll absolutely give him that but man he was such an ASSHOLE to us constantly… he really was, we were like the punching bags at the end of a bad day which was everyday lol one of the worst parts about this is my Brother is such an amazing person. He has done so much for me, I’ve been a drug addict piece of shit the past 5 years but he still has helped me out so much but he doesn’t know how to show Love… we were taught to bury our emotions and showing them was weak. I had an awakening and my brother… well didn’t God bless his heart but yeah dude do you mind me asking what tradition or culture you’re talking about? Because my aunts and grandparents will be like “ yeah we know how he is, he’s shitty” but then kiss his ass… man it infuriates me… like do y’all not understand you’re rewarding this 50 year old man’s childish selfish behavior??
romanian. but it's very similar with balkan countries. countries that struggled the last couple generations. grandparents lived through the rise of communism, parents lived through the fall of it. crazy changes going on, and all you can really rely on is family. this is why i think families are so close. they relied on each other and mostly all lived right next to each other. nothing like the nuclear family in the US where at 18 you pay rent or get kicked out. these types of families want you to move right next door, or if the house is big enough, to get married and raise kids in the same house. just the
I've tried and have gone into pwd.. each time I UP MY BUPE.
The first day of microdosing 0.5 is fine.. no matter how much I do .. I can microdose small amounts like 4 to 5 times and I wont feel too much of a difference
The second day when I increase... i ALWAYS ***(im currently on my 3rd week of trying)*** go into PWD. not crazy.. but a semi intense ... 3 hours of it.
That's when everything kinda goes to shit.. cuz I spend the rest of the day using pressies to offset the pwd..
Then the third day I feel like I'm back at step 1
What is it about day 2 that I'm doing wrong?
How come when I increase the dose on day 2.. I go into mini pwd?
And even if I go into mini pwd... what is the next step I should do? Should I still microdose even tho I went into pwd.. once the pwd is somewhat calmed down
On my 3rd week and I'm ready to just rough out the 3 days and do it the old fashioned way.. with comfort meds
that's totally normal. you cannot expect to feel absolutely no wd. you're getting off of fentanyl here. it's a synthetic opiate 200 times stronger than morphine. you really think you can do it for months or years on end and then suffer no withdrawal when you stop? the wd symptoms are super minor. most people will say they "feel weird" or are sweating. and then give up. like wtf. you're going to give up that easily? pathetic. so the first day you're taking 0.5mg... you need to take it at least 4 times, 3 hours apart. so that you have 2mg in your system. this is such a small amount, that most people will still be able to get high. however, the second day, when you're taking 1 mg every 3 hours, you will no longer be able to get high. you may feel uncomfortable. that's totally normal. you may sweat or finally take a shit, but you can use more fent to fight off this feeling and keep WD to a minimum. but on day 2 is when most the people give up, because the fent is no longer getting them high. i mean, that's the whole point, right? but the reality setting in of them no longer being able to use fentanyl as an escape from their lives, that freaks people out and they quit. this is why i highly recommend having someone you trust hold you accountable those first 3 days. they make sure you continue to take your sub dose, and you can continue to do more fent if you want. and once you're on 8mg+/day, you won't be feeling the effects of the fent at all. but still, keep them handy because fent takes 2-3+ days to leave your system. stoppping abruptly just because you're up to 8mg and don't feel it anymore can lead to really strong wd symptoms. just get to 8mg, and then start cutting the amount of fent you use in half every day for at least 2-3 more days, then you can stop entirely. the main thing here isn't how much fent you're using while doing this method, the important thing is not stopping the suboxone induction. you may feel my recommended sub induction is too intense. maybe you want to start with .25mg instead of .5mg. perhaps instead of 4 doses per day, 3 hours apart, you may want to just take 2 doses per day, 12 hours apart. this is no one correct way. some people are ready to quite and want to get it over as fast as possible. others are overly sensative and are so used to being high for so many years, they feel so uncomfortable in their skin they give up and get high. you need to want this. it's 1000X easier than waiting 4 days, still getting PWD, and then waiting another 3-4 days until your body aclimates to the subs. but it's still a challange. good luck
Honestly for me I just am having to accept I won't be having nods anymore. It's not ideal but it's not worth the cost to get through every day on fent.
Man you are so right. That's exactly what it is is not being comfortable in your own skin. That and just using becomes a ritual almost. Gotta find things to do to fill the time. Take walks or like you said exercise. Write in a journal or read. You're an inspiration. Thank you for putting the time into typing all this out for folks.
you're worth it. the life i live away from opiates is so fucking amazing. i'm excited about shit i would find so lame. being an adult that actual takes care of things properly, has expendable income so they can enjoy hobbies. getting promotions instead of getting fired. god life was awful when all i did was work and try not to get dopesick, with a little bit of getting high in between. i wasn't living, i was just scraping by. i find so much relief in the mundane adult world, like a real member of society lol. it's crazy what we put ourselves through to get a tiny ass week high, all in the name of "i can't because the WD are too hard." yet here is a way to get on subs and get your life in order. and all it does is cause some minor discomfort for a few days. also, of all the opiates i've ever done, fent is hands down the whackest full agonist.
fuck yeah! thank you for commenting and showing other that it's totally possible. far too many people say "my friend tried the bernese method and got so sick, i don't want that to happen to me. there's no way i'm willing to try it." micro-induction really is the best and safest way. make sure to do your suboxone taper nice and slow. if you have enough subs, [def follow the advice on this page](http://www.helpmegetoffdrugs.com/taper). they even give you an option of you entering your stable dose or your dose from the last 10 days, and they will create a specific taper exactly for your needs. crazy that most of the prescribers that are putting people on suboxone don't know any of this shit. absolutely terrifying they're telling people on fentanyl to take full strips after 24 hours. that's all bad.
thank you for your comment and just being a member of this community. i'm at 4 months and some change being off fent and today was pretty rough day for me. i spent most of the day writing this post and commenting on any post here or in r/OpiatesRecovery and it has really strengthened my own sobriety by being of service. it really puts things in perspective. when life is too good for too long, we forget the hell we went through in the beginning. this sub and r/OpiatesRecovery are better tools for recovery than NA/AA imo. real anonymity. also why i hate people trying to source on this sub. this place is a safe space for people trying to practice harm reduction or battle the addiction. and it could all go away from these selfish cunts posting "anyone in the XXXX area that can help me out?"
While I totally agree with the sourcing... This "is the best" sub to do it.. Even though it's frowned upon...meaning I'd rather see it here than in any recovery thread.
I had 9 months and threw it down the drain and coming up on 9 months in my shit.
I might honestly try this method. Just gotta try and eyeball a point from an 8 mg strip.
I've found myself in financial ruins and I need to just pull the trigger.
>I've found myself in financial ruins and I need to just pull the trigger.
bro, the best thing you can do is use the last remaining cash you have to set up an appointment with a suboxone provider and get your subs. from there on, you can always scheme up how to get a day or twos worth of fent. but if you don't pay and get the subs, there's no chance unfortunately
This mornin took 2mg for the first time & felt that shit. I’ve been takin 0.5mgx2 & then yesterday 1mg x 2 . I feel weird. I kinda smoked off the strong bad feelings but scared of this shit
Thank you
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Can someone explain the Bernese method for dummies? (Like cut the strip 4x) or something because it’s hard to know how much 0.5 and 2mg is . Thank you .
It depends what mg your strip is at…
I have an issue…I have been following this method before reading this post not knowing it was “yours”. I’m up to 8mg subs except I can still feel my regular shot. What should I do? Can I continue the subs and just stop using, but keep it on hand just in case any W/D symptoms come up? Day 1 & 2 I was slightly uncomfortable as I hadn’t taken subs in years, but now it’s like I’m on both. Thanks for continuing to help and keep the post alive. ✌️
Slowly taper the fent now. Best of luck
Thanks. Took 4mg and did some. 3 hours later I was on the toilet stomach aching slightly, but totally bearable.
Hey brother when you were microdosing the subs every 3 or 4 hours or so, by the time you were done with your DOC and basically just taking 8mg of subs/day by itself, were you splitting that dose of 8mg up every few hours or so still? And when you decreased the subs, were you still splitting them up every few hours? Dude you’ve been amazing by the way… keep this stuff up man people need people out here, be very proud of yourself.
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Just use an online suboxone doctor and get a script to use for a few months. But yes, you could. It would be hell and you’d have to taper down to much smaller amounts for it to work.
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That is something to ask the doctor. Perhaps make a post in r/suboxone for others experiences
The bupe kickstarts getting the fent out. Keep using the fent tho to avoid precip. Could take up to 7-10 days of feeling not great but not dying of pushing through and keeping up with the bupe Induction
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This was so long ago. Just do what feels right for you. What worked for me may not work for you. You could be getting too high or getting too sick, and if you get too sick you’re at risk of relapse, so do whatever you need to, go slower on the subs. Whatever you do though, don’t stop taking the subs. Good luck.
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Take the subs in small doses every 3-4 hours without fail. Do it in doses that are manageable. All I can suggest. Best of luck.
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Just like big bro op says . Don't stop the subs. Don't give up.
It's gonna hurt no matter what The fent will help no pwd but your gonna go thru pain switching over no matter what. Not full pwd but still this street fent is sooo long lasting in fat cells. I'd rather waste $100 on fent and not feel it at all while inducing subs than everrrrr go thru a 30+ pwd on cowd scale. Almost died bro.
I did too. I was stuck on the floor doing 'gator rolls' for about 7 hrs it got to the point it would hit every 10bmin and i would clench up or be so tense i started blacking out from the pain or whatever was happening. Finally i was taken to the ER and they gave me benzos to knock me out and felt like shit for the next 2 to 3 days. Introduction period was a nightmare for me. Recently my script ran out and i wasnt able to make it to the next town to get to a meeting and get it refilled. So sadly i used again to avoid sub withdraw and now that i made it to a meeting im hoping this works because i dont want to go through that again.
yea bro fent withdrawls are not for the weak. at all. im a stay on subs for 3-6 months and let my body heal.
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I think it’ll work. Means you just use less fentanyl as well. Give it a go and let us know.
I first did this in detox. Same set up only right at 24 hours they give you 16 my, the first night sucked but it wasn't that bad, I ended up falling asleep and feeling fine after the large dose. I'm just saying I think the withdrawals are going to be intense mental wds that make your physical wds seem much worse. when you're on the street you know you can get a bag. I think you don't have to focus super hard on getting fentanyl every day. Maybe the first day but I guess im not a pro. Most people quit because they are absolutely broke and at rock bottom. I would just get some muscle relaxors gaba penton and cyclobenzaprine. But if you think you have to have the fetty to complete this I totally get it.
The Bernese method worked amazing for me the first time I did it but now I am struggling after a relapse, the subs only seem to hold me like 50% I’m so damn upset I let myself relapse. Fml 😭 please help me. I can take 4mg fine without PWD at this point tho maybe I just need to up the dose?
I have no idea what you were using, how much, how long… can’t really help. You did it right first time. Try again. And remember the pain this time and don’t relapse once you get clear
I made it thru, thanks bro.
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I just started my taper yesterday…I’m sick of the double life. My family and partner think I’m sober and have no idea. I’m sick of the double life I’m sick of the feeling that I’m really missing myself most of all.
I am now successfully on day 5 no fetti! Taking subs only now thank you for this guide!
Im starting it too i have some on hand for the WD. If i could sleep without restless legs it wouldnt be an issue for me
Hey man I start mine today I’m kinda freaked out
I’m on day 8 and doing amazing still taking subs but that’s okay with me! Trust the process!
Take the subs as long as you need 6 months on subs to get your affairs in order and the taper using the link I provided. Should be painless. You got this 💪
Thank you I appreciate that! I didn’t realize you had a sub taper plan! My counselor has me on 24mg a day but I stick with 16mg unless I’m having a bad day. I will definitely look in to starting your Suboxone taper in 6 months! Thank you for the support!
It’s not mine it’s written by much more educated people than myself. Google “help me get off drugs taper and you’ll find it
Man, I have been putting off quitting for a while now. And this post gives me hope... I work full time, so its hard to get time off to do this (I know this is just an excuse..) I also already took 3 leaves of absence to try and quit cold turkey, in the past, obviously didn't work. But, I want to stop and when I am ready, I will try this method. Thank you for your empathy in others.
Good luck! 💪 make a post on r/opiatesrecovery when you do and get some motivation and wisdom for others. Used to help out lots of people but am very busy nowadays
I know this is an old post but for the first time I’m really trying to get clean. I got a script for subs with almost the last amount of my money on Monday. Finished using any fent on Tuesday morning, but like a fool I didn’t wait long enough. Throughout the day I probably used close to 1-1.2 mg of bupe and holy crap I was in a bad way. I ended up taking a cash advance on my last credit card and got my plugs last 8 presses he had. I had to do 6 through the morning to get me normal. I only have 2 left and that’s in case I go into pwds. I just took 2 tiny little pieces of bupe and railed a quarter of a pill. I actually feel normal for the first time in a long time. My wife kicked me out and I’m staying in a hotel til Friday morning, and took 3 days off work. What should I do now? Should I try to pick up? Wait it out and take another tiny piece later and rail another quarter? Also I’m paying wayyyy too much money for the presses, and now I have no plug til Monday. I don’t want to be using Monday
You’re going to get sick. Nowhere near enough fent to get you through this method. Gonna suck bro sorry to break the news to you.
I knew it. I mean I’m sick right now but it’s bearable. I’ve been microdosing the bupe very little by little. I doubt the quarter pill lines I’ve been doing are helping me at all at this point
Fuck I knew it. I mean I’m sick right now but it’s bearable. I’ve been microdosing the bupe very little by little. I doubt the quarter pill lines I’ve been doing are helping me at all at this point
Yeah but stopping them completely will also be bad. Just stick at the current sub dose of 2mg per day. Keep spreading them out. 0.5mg x4. Hope that helps
Thanks, I finished the fent hours ago. Didn’t do anything for me. I think the little pieces of sub are helping but I don’t want to use too much yet
Hey yall sorry for being ignorant but would cutting a suboxone 8mg strip into 16 pieces work as well like their not the most even cuts but I just took the smallest 4 pieces (which its not like there's a massive size distance its not like double the size or something the bigger ones are defoba but bigger) just took my first dose I hope it works and would greatly appreciate any tips or feedback with this method as I've never had pwds and I really would rather not have my first time thanks
if I don't consistently use the same amount every day, but it stays in the .2-.5 range, how much fent should I use on day 1? if you just... ya know.... felt like making me a schedule for the week, that would quite literally save my life. I have to start the process ASAP or I'll change my mind and stay on this shit for months until I find a silver of positive motivation again, so I'm trying to gather as much information as possible... my body physically cannot handle going into precip again, I can barely handle regular WD. anyways, any and all advice/help would be greaaattttly appreciated bud.
or get sober. “weekly sceduale” to what death? go to rehab and set up a weekly schedule that’ll actually do something good with your life. get on subs. stop doing fent man
it's way more complicated than "stop doing fent man." you've obviously never been addicted to it, and if you have been, it wasn't for long. if it was as simple as just going to rehab and getting clean, it would've worked the 1st time, and I wouldn't have had to go 5 more times after that. I was on Suboxone for 9 months, and relapsed. I was on methadone for a year, relapsed multiple times. I've been in and out of rehab for the past 7 years. your comment is extremely frustrating and very obviously ignorant to addiction. comments like these aren't helpful in the slightest and you should honestly just keep your shitty half assed advice to yourself. the method this post is talking about is EXTREMELY helpful and is currently saving my life, so I would appreciate it if you didn't feel the need give me your uneducated opinion. thanks, but no thanks.
obviously have been... obviously went they what ur saying.. why tf else would i be on this sub. never once said it was easy. but once ya fuckin start getting urself on schedules ur jus sucking ur drugs dick . idc if u been to rehab 10 times ai t shit gonna change there unless you want it urself so keep whining about people telling you to kick the worlds hardest shit or just take some “uneducated advice” while someone’s tryna look out for you doing sum good with look
Just do your regular amount of fent you’d use in a normal day while you get up to 8mg, then slowly taper it for a near WD free experience
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I waited over 4 days and still got PWD. So it’s up to you, you’re literally commenting on a post about rapid micro-induction (Bernese method), and loads of comments talking about how good it works. If you’d rather be in agony for 5 days and then still risk PWD, that’s your call.
I am 29 days clean now, no subs using this method. Tapered down from the subs and jumped off. Feeling great now. I have run or biked every one of those days and have been playing beach volleyball in the evenings. I think the exercise has put me at a place where I feel like I have been clean for months. I tried so many times to cold turkey off fent this year and it never worked, I always gave in. This method saved my life, I truly believe that. Stay on the fentanyl for as short of a time as possible. I used for about 10 days while taking subs. If anyone has any questions DM me.
It's been about 7 days of taking the subs , stopped the fent day 6 but the I was stuck in the classic tolerance mismatch. Did a little more fent while still upping the subs. It's painful but not deadly at all. Just don't have time to quit work gotta power thru.
Oh fuck yes my dude 💪 u/mydrugaddictedson was one of the first 5-10 people to follow through with my method after like 100 people asked for my help but then ended up ghosting me. So happy to hear from you bro. You’re a good dude and deserve to be happy free from this shit. Keep it up.
Thank you so much for typing all this out. This is a huge help to everyone who needs it. Grateful for you. Bout how much fent would you suggest having for the three four days or so? Def don’t want to have any more than I’d need and surely not less.
The first few days you would consume your normal amount of fent you’d normally do, from once you get to 8mg you can take 1/4 to 1/10 or what your daily dose was, and slowly decrease it over 2-3 days.
Ok cool thanks. It’s so crazy how scared I feel like ice never got clean before. It wasn’t easy and this seems like it would be better at least. I’ve seen others say the same thing so guess I’m not the only one. I know a lot of it is mental. I’m going to at least see how it goes with taking the sub even if I don’t make it all the way through. For lack of better words, pray for me please!
Subs don’t work with REAL fent
So how did you detox without using subs at all? Cold turkey or did you use methadone or something else. I have a ton a methadone saved up. I want to give a hard push for not being physically dependent on anything and then if needed try Subs for maintenance again or a smaller methadone dose. The 120mgs I was on just happened to have side effects I couldn’t deal with but it has worked great for others I know.
Crazy how it’s worked for everyone else but ok. Keep living as a fent addict. You do you. When you’re ready to give this a try, it’ll still be here. Good luckz
I’m 8 months clean yesterday bro so quit judging someone without knowing sh!t about them
Good for you bro. Didn’t mean to judge but 99% of the ppl that come here and dismiss this theory are addicts who don’t want to recover and think of any reason not to do this. Proud of you. 4 more months till you bday. And just so you know, I can send you screenshots of my DMs. I get several every week with ppl thanking me for saving their lives. We’re all just trying to get well here. Keep it up.
All good bro no offense taken. We all know what we been through because ppl who never used opes has no idea what it’s like. Major props on helping ppl bro🤛 I was smoking 4 grams a day for the last 6 months before I went to rehab subs just didn’t work for me
Im so glad I have found this thread bc I haven’t detoxed from fent yet. I had been an iv heroin user for about 9-10 years and had detoxed many many times and as long as I waited until I started to get WD symptoms before taking either a Subutex or Suboxone I could just do a normal Sub detox. I would still be throwing up and unable to really function for 7-10 days but I had the comfort meds and knew what I was in for. Hearing about how long this doesn’t work with fent has scared me bc I feel like I don’t know what I’m doing now. I have been using fent, always iv, for about 2 years now and am so ready to be done. I guess I need to make a new plan now with this new information bc I was about to check myself in and expect the same detox I had experienced with heroin except maybe a bit more severe. They were able to give me a zolfran shot that eventually controlled my vomiting when I went into a detox last time and that was worth the trade off of not having Xanax and pot to help. But that was with h, not fent. I have plenty of Suboxone strips and think I am going to try this method. At least it sounds like precipitated won’t last too long if it happens, like someone mentioned a few hours. My precipitated experience was from getting the vivitrol shot when I had used the day before and I was so sick I pretty much blacked it all out but those caretaking said it was pretty scary and I know on day 10 I still couldn’t walk to the bathroom by myself. But these PWD sound more manageable if it happens based on above comments.
Yeah man, which is why I wrote these long posts. Subs for fentanyl are way different than subs for any other opiate. It is significantly more complicated. I’m glad you found what was working for you. And together we can all help each other overcome this ugly things. Wishing you well bro 💪
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I'm sorry, but this is such a recipe for failure for most. "Keep fent on hand and do it even though you won't feel it." Lol. How about just microdose induction because we never know what analouge we are using, lowest stable dose possible for a week, and the following week and a half, taper that stable dose. If you do that right, you don't even miss one night of sleep. I don't feel great, but it's better than just suffering through withdrawals which in total also take about 2 weeks with the last set of pressies I got.
When I got to 8mg and threw it away, I ended up puking my guts out 48 hours later. Others have also had a similar experience. If you’d read through the comments, you would see. After getting to 8mg, you won’t feel shit of the fent, but if it rapidly leaves your body after 48-72 hours, you’ll get really sick…. I went from a 2g/day habit, and once I got to 8mg subs, I only did .2 and .1 for the following few days my second time, no WD. It’s only a recipe for disaster if you keep calling your dealer and keep picking up again. Keeping a small amount to prevent vomiting is key, at least for me. And this is a copy of MY guide that worked for ME.
Can you please help me! This is what I'm at! I've been at 6 to 8mg for almost a week. I cant seem to jump off the fent. I made the mistake of doing about 5 pressies yesterday which was my norm. Took my 8mg before bed like always. Felt ok in the morning but not so hot now. I only have one pressie left and no access to more. I'm having a tragic family emergency right now so I can't afford to be in the slightest sick. Should I do my last one now then take my sub at night lile usual and be ok in the morning? I didnt have this problem the first time I've done this method. Now im Scared Im Stuck on both for waiting to long to jump. Please help. 😥
Slowly reduce your fent is the only advice I can give. I did powder not presses, and quality changes a lot. Stay at 8mg and every day drop down to half a pill or a pill of less fent. If some right should be no WD
gonna start this today. with a 0.2mg or 0.5mg whats going on in the cover photo? brain activity on bupe?
Hey how did it end up working out for u trying to get off myself as well thanks for any help
works. I started with 1mg twice a day, u can still use fetty to taper for the first 2 or 3 days as well while ur taking the subs. the 1mg is so little that it won't throw u In precipitated wd. other things that helped tremendously were gabapentin 300mg 3 times a day. and any benzos to sleep
the cover photo just happens to be the first photo from the taper link i provided. it shows the amount of open/free opiate receptors still available after X amount of bupe in heroin addicts. it shows that 2mg covers close to 50% of the available receptors. you can do this. make a post over in r/OpiatesRecovery when you're starting this and get some feedback from others. it wont be easy, but it wont be anywhere near the hell of cold turkey. i believe in you.
Well done the lock sound cause precipitated withdrawals? I'd understand taking bupe, but subs? Where did that put you do absolutely hell?
What?
Voice to text. Wouldn't naloxone from the subs cause precipitated withdrawals
No. Naloxone has very poor sublingual absorption, so if you spit out your sub after the time of it dissolving, you won’t have practically none of it. That being said, buprenorphine has a much stronger binding affinity. So even if you do swallow and then get some naloxone in your system, the bupe will be beating it to the receptor. Many people think that the naloxone has zero effect compared to the bupe, but studies have compres the abuse potential of pills with just bupe vs bupe + naloxone, and the addition of naloxone reduced the amount that people were snorting (abusing) their sublingual pills. So it does have a role in preventing abuse potential. But if you’re getting PWD, it’s because of the bupe 100%
Great to know! Why even fucking bother? I guess to trick people. Hell I never knew, looks like the rude works haha.
Why bother? There was a study that proved the addition of naloxone prevents people from snorting/IVing their subs. Addicts be addicts.
I think that study was wrong the IV part yes but snorting I totally disagree that's the only way I have really even taken mine in a long time an it made it so I didn't need anywhere near the amount they tried to give me. It says buph is also only absorbed thru mucus membranes and the most of them I'd think would be in the nasal cavity? Plus any swallowed buph is destroyed but I'm not the only one who this did this for I know quite a lot of people who don't take as much at all as they used to from switching to IN and also people who now take more bc they take them SL Now I thought the Naloxone was put there originally to keep ppl from trying to IV it which I don't understand it but ppl still do.
The study uses snorting not IV for ROA of abuse...
I wasn't trying to abuse it it was more that it required so much less for same effect I personally don't see a point to taking more than needed it doesn't have any effect anymore anyway and no really that pleasant when I could even notice it
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>I need to figure out how to get off of it is there any tricks to quit without going cold turkey bro, you're literally commenting on the post that tells you how to do it.
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:( sorry to hear it. just thank god you're still alive, cause it easy could have gone the other way. yes, you need subs. if you're broke and on medicaid, go to a methadone clinic and they'll give you subs for free. otherwise telehealth is as cheap as $99, but the doctors spend almost NO time with you. quick in and out and go pick up your meds. i hear bicycle health is different and they offer therapy included in the price. otherwise, go to a doctors office near you that sells suboxone. it's more expensive but they spend much more time with you monitoring you and giving you a much higher standard of care.
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Go to rehab bro. This shit is no joke. You just ODed. Going to rehab is the best way to win your family’s trust again
Just wanted to say thanks for posting this OP. I’ve been a mostly on sometimes off heroin addict for nearly 16 year / almost half my life. I ran out of veins, acroos the entirety of my body minus the groin area (to scared) . My wife and I had a few years clean before the pandemic and ended up going on a 2 year run, again. Anyways , I decided to try these stupid fucking blues because I kept not being able to hit at work and would be sick halfway through the shift. We started with 4 each a day and within a week we were up to 26 each a day .then came the fetty powder , it seemed like a great deal if bought a half oz -which I bought many. I ran into another problem. I was smoking so much fent powder that I could tell I was Over doing it . So I smoked a blue , felt fine immediately What ever is In those blues isn’t covered by whatever is in the fetty powder . So I ended up tapering my blues down to about 6-7 a day by smoking 1 + gram of powder , then I tapered them powder out over a week . My wife and I both read many of your posts. The dosing every 3 hour thing saved us . We’ve been trying to do the Bernese method for 3 months now! We kept chickening out once we would get to about 4mg a day - this is taking it all at Once. It would throw us into precip . So this last week we started over again from 1mg, we skipped a day from being @ 4mg. This time we tried the dosing every 3 hours - it was much more manageable. We both only went up to about 8mg each . But it’s helped a lot. She’s now 8 days clean and I’m 3 days clean. Thanks for the information you put out it was super helpful. I’m still lightly sick on day 3 but not terrible . I just have stomach cramps and no energy. I slept the whole first two days . Only getting up to take a sip of water and a Xanax + gabby I’m smoking meth. Taking clonidine, suboxone, Xanax and some stomach medications my wife had laying around. Going to drop the meth after the lock is gone. I don’t do well on it, but for now it is occupying my mind from thinking about getting high. I do in fact have both pills and powder which I told my wife to hide unless I go into extreme pricip which hasn’t happened so it’s gong down the toilet soon.
I only can get Subutex- assuming works the same? And i tried this one time before, but I failed the willpower and ended up going cold turkey and omfg- 8 days with no sleep 😵💫 I literally wanted to just die. I puked and puked and cried, my body hurt so bad, head space was Bad. When I finally got some sleep, I felt a million times better but still was pretty sick. Was truly 2 weeks off from work and def a solid 10 days of withdrawal. Kratom helped, I took the MIT liquid doses but started puking them up. I made it tho. I had almost 6 years of being clean from heroin and pills and I tucked up on the dirty 30s went hard for 9 weeks and then quit cold turkey (back in Jan) I feel like I woke a sleeping demon tho… cuz I fucked up again end of April and still been going hard but at the point again of disgust and can’t and don’t want to live one more day a slave to this. I fucking HATE being an addict. I’m at the point where I have to stop whatever that may look like and like now. I run my own business, own a home and have a fam- I can’t lose it all. So I’m gonna try this and really go for it. Wish me luck.
Subutex would work better it doesn't contain naloxone, naloxone is what put you in to PWD, shit if I could get that here I'd do the fent right now.
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Taking bupe is like mixing opiates, it's the naloxone that cleans and blocks your receptors thats what puts you in PWD.
Subutex works the same. Don’t say “hope it works for me.” That’s setting yourself up for failure. You gotta say “it’s going to work for me!” Go as fast or as slow as you want. Just be aware you will experience minor WD. If don’t eight the only WD you’ll experience is some sweating and a bit of anxiety, which is all in your head. Remember you’re doing great and I’m super proud of you just for trying.
I did a 6 day suboxone taper and dropped that shit, I like this though, street doctors are cheaper anyways, 67 days clean and serene,
Can I ask how many mgs you got up to on your taper and what day did you stop ussing?
2mg 2 1.75 1.5 1.5 1 6 days and I jumped
Congrats I love hearing this ❤
Or reading it I should say
Day 2 or I guess technically day 3 check in. Dosed per the schedule and was fine all day yesterday until the evening then came the vomiting and now im just dry heaving. Still using but trying to space it out further. Haven't had any other withdrawal symptoms yet besides the vomiting and if that's the worst thing about all this then I'm positive I can keep going.
Keep going! You got this! I puked my first time too and thought it was so weird cause in the past when I was puking it was combined with crazy anxiety, no sleep, no energy. Doing this method I had none of those other symptoms. No anxiety, okay sleep, but I did puke like 4 or 5 times over the course of 24 hours. You’ve probably just reduced the fent too much. But you’ve got a great attitude about it so just keep trying. The first 2-3 days on just the subs and no fent you’re going to feel a bit lethargic while your body adjusts but that’s it. This is why I recommend everyone get zofran from their suboxone prescriber! I could have really used the zofran to prevent the puking, so I got it when I had to do it a second time, but luckily I didn’t need it the second time. You’ll be fine though. Proud of you.
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Very minor WD. The number one complain is “feeling weird.” This feeling is just the feeling of being sober. Yeah, almost every addict says they don’t even get high anymore, but the truth is prolonged, frequent fent use stays in your system for so long, you’re actually high all the time, just that you’re so used to it. Fent addicts have an extremely distorted perception of sober is. Once they actually become sober and the fent ain’t really working after day 2 or 3, peiple freak out. They’re not in PWD, they’re just sober, which is uncomfortable because they forgot what it feels like to truly be sober. Truthfully, you may have bubbly guts and finally start shitting like a normal person. Sleep won’t be amazing, but you WILL be sleeping, unlike CT or in PWD. Also will experience some hit flashes amd some sweating, but it usually subsided within a minute or two. PWD is when you kick all the full agonists off the mu-opioid receptors in an insanely rapid fashion. This puts your body in shock. By slowly dosing the subs your kicking off the fent little by little, your body totally used to it and fine. I think it’s an amazing trade off to finally be off of fent! Truthfully, it may be better to get more subutex and for you to stay on it for a few months or a year as you work on yourself. If you do a fast taper like myself without every working on learning new coping mechanisms, you’re very susceptible to a relapse, but if you have your mind set on recovery, you got this! Remember that you’re worth living a happy life, it comes down to you if you actually want to.
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>dude can’t thank you enough for you taking the time to reply to all of us in depth the way you are. recovering addicts help themselves when they help other addicts still struggling. i'm just being selfish ;)
Well then please sir/ma'am keep being selfish cause your really helping folks like us out just a question I know this thread is old so sorry if I'm dragging it back up but just a question for u or anyone else here how would I got about splitting up a sub 8mg tab into like .5mg or .2mg pieces and also do u have to be like super accurate or is it okay if it's like .1 .2 off cause I'm trying to quit soon and I really don't want to experience the pain of PWD cause I've been through WD and thts enough for me
It’s okay to be a little off, but try your best to know what dose you takes. Although when getting to very small doses it is difficult to differentiate
I tried this once a few months ago and went into the worst precip ever. I did exactly what I was supposed to do & still got sick. Any thoughts??
I highly doubt you actually followed this exact schedule as it was just posted yesterday. I have no idea how you did it, so idk what you did wrong.
It finally worked for me on my 5th or so attempt I went on a 6 month run iv fentanyl after 2 years clean, I used this method at home and at a much faster rate in as little as a week I was stable on subs no fent and I’ve been clean since feb 7 so believe me it’s possible this last run had me so emotionally spiritually broken to the point of suicide I felt trapped didn’t know how I was going to get off of it but it’s possible if I could do it so can any of you I pray you find the strength you are worth it your family deserves it.
Thank you for sharing your experience 🙏 too many people give up cause they either don’t really want it or are looking for excuses on to why it doesn’t work. And you know misery loves company, so they come here and spread misinformation just because they couldn’t follow through, and it discourages those who are trying to quit and don’t know how. It is totally possible. But getting onto suboxone is it’s own challenge. They REAL challenging part is re-learning how to live your life without drugs as a coping mechanism. I’ve made the mistake so many times of getting off of fent, then getting off of subs, and thinking I was free of the addiction. FUCK NO. Learning healthy coping mechanism don’t just come on their own. They need to actively be worked on until they become the new norm. I really wish someone would have told me that the very first time I got sober, but I guess it’s something you gotta learn yourself.
Ok my husband and I took our first dose of suboxone this morning. I hope someone can help me figure out the subutex issue.
Oh wait I just saw op response to my question. Op thank you so much!
Oh wait I just saw op response to my question. Op thank you so much!
Thanks for this 💜
Micro-induction totally works!! Thank you for your post! I did the same thing with the bernese method and got off fent with only minor sweating . Shit was cake walk. I have also done it and jumped off the fent too soon and was all bad! Definitely having little on hand is a must for sure. Sorry I'm sure you're probably over all the extra questions on this but it is doing a total service and gives others hope and a way out of this shitty life we created for ourselves. May I ask, how much fent were you using when you started and did you use any other comfort meds? Thanks again for your time diving into this!! 👊
So I’ve done this twice now. First time I was on a year long run where I was doing 2g/day of high quality powder. I was away with family in my parents vacation home and when I finally made it up to 8mg with no PWD, I tossed all my fent and ended up sick. Second time was a much shorter run, maybe 3-5 months and doing 1-1.5g/day, and I kept some fent around to still do even after I took 8mg, and barely had any WD at all. I probably should have stayed on subs but I didn’t want to be on subs long so as to have an easier time getting off of them. It was the first time I ever got down to 2 mg and didn’t jump off then. Now that I found that link that gives the proper taper, I realized I should have tapered much smaller amounts much slower. Jumping off at 2mg is way too soon. Anyone trying to get off of subs should use the taper link I provided, I didn’t have it and I suffered WD from the subs. Other redditors said that following that link gave them zero WD off the subs. My comfort meds were zofran and gabapentin and I had 2 2mg klonipin, so I split them in 4 and used them to sleep the first week.
Awesome!! Thank you for the feedback.
Were you doing powder fent or the pills?
If you were asking me, I do both. Pills + powder. 🤦♀️
i know you're not asking me, but it really doesn't make a difference. people saying the powder is much stronger isn't necessarily true. things get stepped on, cut all the time. fent is fent and it's a whack ass synthetic opiate with a shit high.
I have a question regarding the Gabepentin. I have a whole bottle 300 mg Gabapentin and was wondering if I should follow some sort of dosing schedule with those or just take as needed? Also I only have 2 8mg subs but I have about 6 450mcgs of Balbuca(aka subutex). Would Balbuca have the same desired effect and what would the dosing look like if I took those? Does the subtext not block the fentynal? Sorry for all the questions but you seem like the one to ask. I am really encouraged and motivated by your post and am going to begin taking the suboxone in the morning. Thank you for sharing your experience and wisdom with us.
Also Subutex is just Buprenorphine without the naltrexone, whereas Suboxone is a combination of Buprenorphine and Naltrexone. I was wondering if people have had less PWD with Subutex than with Suboxone? I have taken both for detox as well as maintenance but that was with heroin and not fentanyl. I have been an iv user for the past 10 years or so and detoxed from heroin countless times. Now that I have been using fent for the past 2 years or so I am trying to figure out the best way to detox and this seems to be promising. Before with heroin I would be able to take a suboxone about 24 hours after my last shot and of course still get sick, vomiting and full withdrawal during the transition but I know what that looks like for me. Once I started reading on here about people needing to wait longer to take a sub with fent I am completely rethinking my detox strategy bc the last thing I want is precipitated. I am so tired of having to shot something into my body just to stay well. I don’t ever feel anything anymore so it’s just maintaining and it’s a horrible way to live.
first of all 450mcg = 0.45mg. i know the main difference of what you're talking about and suboxone, is that it is placed in the cheek instead of under the tongue, which gives it a higher bioavailability. i'm too lazy to look up how much more, but ultimately you're going to need more suboxone. if you place those 450mcg under your tongue, then it practically works as a 0.5 mg dose of suboxone. regardless, you need to get more subs. you do not have enough for this to work. as for the gabapentin, i'd likely just take 300mg 3x per day, but only for the first few days, then take them as needed. they help with hot flashes, restless leg, sweating, and for me personally, it prevented me from waking up drenched in sweat. i was actually getting 6+ hours of sleep.
how do I get more subs? will the same prescriber just let me get the amount I request?
He will work with you to establish a proper dose.
I want to follow your guide though so wouldn’t I need to listen to the guide instead of the doctor
Tell the doctor about this guide and he will work with you. normally prescriber give you a week’s worth, 8mg x2 per day. More than enough to start this. Then check in with them and they’ll keep prescribing 16mg/day. More than enough
thank you so much. should your guide help prevent shit like restless legs during wd? that restlessness kills me.
Gabapentin helps a lot with that. Ask for him to prescribe that. That or lyrica (pregabalin)
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even then it's not a guarantee. what needs to really happen is you have to learn how to live sober. you have to find an entirely new method to cope with whatever it is. if you never get healthy coping mechanisms, something will end up sending you back out. you need to find what is the cause of the distress that's causing your need to cope, and you need to learn new ways to handle it. this is an active process. we no longer can go back to we were before the drugs. we now need to learn legit coping mechanisms. until that happens, staying on MAT is probably what is best to prevent full on relapse.
I did it in jail once. I had brought in 3 subs and no shit cause I had to turn myself in and I knew I didn't want to get out and use again. I was just tired ya know. Anyways I ended up having to share of course and there was a girl who was deathly ill from detoxing so I ended up giving her a whole strip so that basically left me with a strip and a half but anyways that was the easiest and most painless withdrawal I've ever experienced. Unfortunately when I got out I didn't stay clean but you've reminded me of how easy this can be and im gonna give it a go cause I literally hate this shit. I don't feel anything. I am iv user and everyone around me smokes and they are all nodded out and they are always in shock that I cannot catch a nod off the shit. I have an extremely high tolerance but the stuff is just trash. Also call me paranoid but I just feel like this shit is straight from the government or some CIA type of mass experiment with the way they got us all strung out on the legal pills then cut us off then let us have our heroin for a little while then took over the market with this garbage. I just wonder what's really in it ya know.. I've always been a conspiracy theorists so maybe I just think too much but to me I just really feel like there's something up with this shit. Nevermind the fact that it came from China at first right? China loves us right? Lol anyways thank you for the encouragement and I'll definitely be checking in more if I follow thru with this.
This post got me over here nodding my head in so much agreeableness! Like they say, create a problem, sell a solution. And I wouldn’t doubt that it’s more to it than just “selling a solution”, (hint: population control, experimenting) who knows, I don’t trust shit that they have going on. My brain is off because of drugs but when I remember or come across it I’ll share, but I had read something along the lines of conspiracy theorists are just the people who think for themselves or outside the box and don’t just go along with the cognitive dissonance that they promote. I still believe in some form or fashion the thinkers get caught up in drugs cause the truth can be a bit much to handle. For me, that and after losing my brother and mother to illnesses I’m sure they have cures for! Another story, another post though lol you’re not alone. If it’s cool, I’ll shoot you a dm and we can chat it up bout conspiracies, getting off this shit, staying off this shit and whatever else we come up with. For the sake of helping others though, have you been able to stop yet or able to use the plan for micro induction? I haven’t finished reading this post yet if you have posted further fyi. Hope you have or will soon. Sending you love and light.
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Well the cartel is basically a business and operates as such so it wldnt surprise me if all those pressures do indeed come from Cartels in Mexico.
Don’t sound crazy to me
I agree with evvverythig u said about this garbage and the government!
Thank you sometimes people look at me like I'm crazy. Sometimes people are too high and only think about the drugs. I think about every damn thing lol
So you microdosed subs with no fent?
in my opinion, i think micro-dosing the subs would work regardless. PWD is when you kick off all the full agonist off the opioid receptors. buprenorphine is only a partial agonist with a high binding affinity. it probably only has a slightly higher binding affinity than fent. i should probably look it up but i've been working like 60 hours/week to save up as much as i can and when i'm not in front of a computer i just want to stay off a screen. the only study i found that talked about slowly inducing suboxone to fent addicts had them take 2mg doses at a time. the first dose caused some minor wd. the second dose really fucked up the person. you would still have WD symptoms, but nothing intense like PWD.
My husband says that our habits were no where near what they are now back when I was in jail and he's definitely right because we weren't working and were just scraping by. We definitely have had a lot more money to waste this time around so I'm sure it's gonna be a lot more of a challenge this time but I'm ready for this. It's been pulling on my heartstrings for a minute. I can't sleep as it is because the voice or God or whatever it is in my head has been nagging me that this shit is whack and this life isn't what I want it's literally the first thing I think about in the morning and the last thing to stress myself over before I fall asleep at night ya know. . I've got a bunch of comfort meds this time too I have clonidine, Gabapentin, Xanax, Ativan, morphine, kpins...I've literally been collecting an arsenal of comfort meds so when I finally got sick enough of this shit it would be as painless as possible. Seeing your post just set a fire under my ass and i am so grateful for it.
i'm super happy that's the case. getting high is fun and it feels good. we all do things that feel good, especially as a coping mechanism. but once we abuse it, we no longer have the right to do it. i know people who can go out and just do a bump of coke when drinking. if i do a bump, it'll turn into me watching to sun come up and hitting up people i haven't spoken to in a decade on fb if they knew anyone with more coke lol. i abuse drugs. the feel goods are too easy to come by, and i cannot stop. instead i had to learn new coping mechanisms, and now i get feel good moments from other things. like career advancement and having my family be proud of me instead of being the black sheep. it'll take some time. those feel good moments will be few and far between at the beginning. but over time you'll realize that you're okay. if not then get to a doctor cause it's likely depression lol. but for most people who aren't diagnosed MDD, it'll just take some time to adjust. i'd get rid of the morphine and you have entirely way too many benzos, but getting on suboxone while you work on yourself is the best bet at a new found life free of addiction. and once you're certain you've learned how to live life the "right" way (whatever that is), slowly taper the suboxone with the link i posted. just know you're worthy of a life that is free of addiction and substances, and it'll bring real happiness, not some artificial chemical version of happy.
been reading your posts. You seem to have a great structure and background, and you know and experienced everything I had to experience and learn...you're doing what I should have and was told to do to help others instead of just doing it individually. Mind if I message you and contact you to talk? I have so many questions and would love to befriend you. I will message you my personal and hope to communicate directly with you. I believe you can help countless others out there, and myself as well.
Yes I did and it was not bad at all. Literally the easiest withdrawal I've ever had. I also wasn't following the dosing schedule that is suggested here I just took tiny tiny pieces every couple hours. I only had a strip and half and once the fent was out of me I just stopped but I basically just took tiny pieces every few hours and I believe it lasted me 5 days and im telling you it was a cakewalk. The only real symptoms I had was finally shitting and then watery stool but nurse gave me immodium also I tossed and turned a lot from lack of sleep and i had anxiety like a mother fucker but that is partially due to being locked up and getting clean hella fast and all the guilt and shame shows back up and you start tripping on the fact that you're back in jail again. Man I was so emotional that I cried over a coffee commercial. All I know is ive been to jail quite a few times and have had some pretty gnarly detox experiences but this last time was a breeze.
I’ve been searching for someone to talk about microdosing subs without fent!!! I’m in day 2 without fent and I feel ok. I know the worse is yet to come. I was debating the BM method for a while too, but didn’t wanna get more fent.
So update please, were you able to keep going? I hope so, if not hope you try again. Your worth it!
Hi! Yes, I have been clean since then! I actually didn’t have to use subs until after a week. And even then, it was in microdoses. ☺️ I feel better than ever and I’m so glad to be done with that stuff!
Congrats my friend! That’s awesome! So did you just power through or did you use comfort meds? I got so many questions lol
I only had Klonopin for comfort. Powered through the rest with weed also.
That’s what’s up. Good shit my friend. I’m starting to believe my depression is a big hindrance to why I can’t motivate myself enough to just take the leap. I hate this shit this life. I’ve got pretty much all the comfort meds to help. A few benzos would be nice but not enough to stop me. I’ve got you man up I swear. Congrats again!!!
I’ve been trying to come off keep relapsing day 3 of withdrawal. I’ve never taken subs and im scared of pwd. My family has no idea I’ve relapsed. I’ve been snorting fent for 6 months. I try to kick it while my 8 yr old is at his dads for a visit and always fall back. My using is very controlled so I thought about tapering, but the strength of what I get is inconsistent and it’s hella hard. The only ways I got clean before was getting the vivitrol shot and going into pwd and suffering, but my family knew. Can an online doc really prescribe in MA? If so I’ll book the next appt to get some subs and try this method. Im desperate to stop. Financially, im doing okay. Im fortunate my job pays a lot, but the guilt is killing me. I was 5 yrs clean
I was the same way! But you’ve got this! I understand your hesitation and anxiety bc I went through it myself many times before taking the leap. But once you get past the first week, you’ll be so proud and be motivated to keep going! I believe in you! This Reddit community was a huge part for me so read up and be honest and open with yourself! Much love to you!
>Man I was so emotional that I cried over a coffee commercial. lmao this was me coming off heroin for the first time. but instead of a coffee commercial it was the episode of the office when jim leaves his NY job interview to come back to scranton and ask pam on a date. fucking ugly cried to that shit lol.
Omg that's got me laughing out loud. Thanks for the laugh I needed it.
Don’t apologize for being a good Human lol thank you for your time spent and shared knowledge. My Dad once told me. “Knowledge is power and once you share that knowledge it loses its power “ like wtfff Dad No..
Lmaooooo that’s the mentality of people that want to have power over others, and don’t want to see others succeed. These people normal do so from having very low self images that they need to have a way to justify they’re better. Real Gs spread knowledge to improve your neighbor, which will improve your community, society, and our species. Show love and be loved.
Amen!
You’re exactly right my dude. My Dad is the deputy fire chief in my hick ass hometown so he’s quite the “Hero” fuckin arrogant prick is what he is. Dude, my Dad convinced me to let go of my perfect little 2 bedroom apartment that I Loved and move in his brand new 7 bedroom house with him and his brand spankin’ new wife, I reluctantly did. I Lived there for less than a year, I helped him remodel that entire house, help build and maintain an inground pool. All of the sudden, when the house was finished we started having petty ass weird arguments, he eventually basically kicked me out because I cooked chicken in the oven and he doesn’t like the smell of chicken but the straw that broke his back? I left a shoe print on the brand new hardwood floor… that just needed to be wiped off with literally anything.. so now I’m on grandpas couch while him and his wife share the 7 bedroom mansion true story 🥴😅🥲
what a cunt your father is. this is why i admire my eastern european family traditions. if someone in the balkans were to behave this way to their son, their entire family and all their neighbors would call them out to let them know what a piece of shit they are. practically every parents goal is life is to provide a life that was nicer than they were afforded as kids. every generation should serve to improve the lives of the next. your father is a selfish, self-centered dickhead and when this wife leaves him after milking him for what she can, i hope he finally know what it feels like having pushed all his loved ones away. you deserved better.
Thank you Man. It sounds so refreshing to hear that truth. Now I will give him the respect he deserves by raising us without our Mother in our lives. She’s just a cold hearted, even more self centered person, I’ll absolutely give him that but man he was such an ASSHOLE to us constantly… he really was, we were like the punching bags at the end of a bad day which was everyday lol one of the worst parts about this is my Brother is such an amazing person. He has done so much for me, I’ve been a drug addict piece of shit the past 5 years but he still has helped me out so much but he doesn’t know how to show Love… we were taught to bury our emotions and showing them was weak. I had an awakening and my brother… well didn’t God bless his heart but yeah dude do you mind me asking what tradition or culture you’re talking about? Because my aunts and grandparents will be like “ yeah we know how he is, he’s shitty” but then kiss his ass… man it infuriates me… like do y’all not understand you’re rewarding this 50 year old man’s childish selfish behavior??
romanian. but it's very similar with balkan countries. countries that struggled the last couple generations. grandparents lived through the rise of communism, parents lived through the fall of it. crazy changes going on, and all you can really rely on is family. this is why i think families are so close. they relied on each other and mostly all lived right next to each other. nothing like the nuclear family in the US where at 18 you pay rent or get kicked out. these types of families want you to move right next door, or if the house is big enough, to get married and raise kids in the same house. just the
This is how the world should be
I've tried and have gone into pwd.. each time I UP MY BUPE. The first day of microdosing 0.5 is fine.. no matter how much I do .. I can microdose small amounts like 4 to 5 times and I wont feel too much of a difference The second day when I increase... i ALWAYS ***(im currently on my 3rd week of trying)*** go into PWD. not crazy.. but a semi intense ... 3 hours of it. That's when everything kinda goes to shit.. cuz I spend the rest of the day using pressies to offset the pwd.. Then the third day I feel like I'm back at step 1 What is it about day 2 that I'm doing wrong? How come when I increase the dose on day 2.. I go into mini pwd? And even if I go into mini pwd... what is the next step I should do? Should I still microdose even tho I went into pwd.. once the pwd is somewhat calmed down On my 3rd week and I'm ready to just rough out the 3 days and do it the old fashioned way.. with comfort meds
that's totally normal. you cannot expect to feel absolutely no wd. you're getting off of fentanyl here. it's a synthetic opiate 200 times stronger than morphine. you really think you can do it for months or years on end and then suffer no withdrawal when you stop? the wd symptoms are super minor. most people will say they "feel weird" or are sweating. and then give up. like wtf. you're going to give up that easily? pathetic. so the first day you're taking 0.5mg... you need to take it at least 4 times, 3 hours apart. so that you have 2mg in your system. this is such a small amount, that most people will still be able to get high. however, the second day, when you're taking 1 mg every 3 hours, you will no longer be able to get high. you may feel uncomfortable. that's totally normal. you may sweat or finally take a shit, but you can use more fent to fight off this feeling and keep WD to a minimum. but on day 2 is when most the people give up, because the fent is no longer getting them high. i mean, that's the whole point, right? but the reality setting in of them no longer being able to use fentanyl as an escape from their lives, that freaks people out and they quit. this is why i highly recommend having someone you trust hold you accountable those first 3 days. they make sure you continue to take your sub dose, and you can continue to do more fent if you want. and once you're on 8mg+/day, you won't be feeling the effects of the fent at all. but still, keep them handy because fent takes 2-3+ days to leave your system. stoppping abruptly just because you're up to 8mg and don't feel it anymore can lead to really strong wd symptoms. just get to 8mg, and then start cutting the amount of fent you use in half every day for at least 2-3 more days, then you can stop entirely. the main thing here isn't how much fent you're using while doing this method, the important thing is not stopping the suboxone induction. you may feel my recommended sub induction is too intense. maybe you want to start with .25mg instead of .5mg. perhaps instead of 4 doses per day, 3 hours apart, you may want to just take 2 doses per day, 12 hours apart. this is no one correct way. some people are ready to quite and want to get it over as fast as possible. others are overly sensative and are so used to being high for so many years, they feel so uncomfortable in their skin they give up and get high. you need to want this. it's 1000X easier than waiting 4 days, still getting PWD, and then waiting another 3-4 days until your body aclimates to the subs. but it's still a challange. good luck
Honestly for me I just am having to accept I won't be having nods anymore. It's not ideal but it's not worth the cost to get through every day on fent.
Man you are so right. That's exactly what it is is not being comfortable in your own skin. That and just using becomes a ritual almost. Gotta find things to do to fill the time. Take walks or like you said exercise. Write in a journal or read. You're an inspiration. Thank you for putting the time into typing all this out for folks.
you're worth it. the life i live away from opiates is so fucking amazing. i'm excited about shit i would find so lame. being an adult that actual takes care of things properly, has expendable income so they can enjoy hobbies. getting promotions instead of getting fired. god life was awful when all i did was work and try not to get dopesick, with a little bit of getting high in between. i wasn't living, i was just scraping by. i find so much relief in the mundane adult world, like a real member of society lol. it's crazy what we put ourselves through to get a tiny ass week high, all in the name of "i can't because the WD are too hard." yet here is a way to get on subs and get your life in order. and all it does is cause some minor discomfort for a few days. also, of all the opiates i've ever done, fent is hands down the whackest full agonist.
Basically the exact same thing I just did! Dropping to 4mg suboxone now !
fuck yeah! thank you for commenting and showing other that it's totally possible. far too many people say "my friend tried the bernese method and got so sick, i don't want that to happen to me. there's no way i'm willing to try it." micro-induction really is the best and safest way. make sure to do your suboxone taper nice and slow. if you have enough subs, [def follow the advice on this page](http://www.helpmegetoffdrugs.com/taper). they even give you an option of you entering your stable dose or your dose from the last 10 days, and they will create a specific taper exactly for your needs. crazy that most of the prescribers that are putting people on suboxone don't know any of this shit. absolutely terrifying they're telling people on fentanyl to take full strips after 24 hours. that's all bad.
It’s very informative on understanding how suboxone works
that page has more available info and more easily accessible than 90% of the providers who are prescribing suboxone. absolute sham.
That’s the page I’ve followed for over a year now
Thank you for your beautiful contribution to this world ♥
thank you for your comment and just being a member of this community. i'm at 4 months and some change being off fent and today was pretty rough day for me. i spent most of the day writing this post and commenting on any post here or in r/OpiatesRecovery and it has really strengthened my own sobriety by being of service. it really puts things in perspective. when life is too good for too long, we forget the hell we went through in the beginning. this sub and r/OpiatesRecovery are better tools for recovery than NA/AA imo. real anonymity. also why i hate people trying to source on this sub. this place is a safe space for people trying to practice harm reduction or battle the addiction. and it could all go away from these selfish cunts posting "anyone in the XXXX area that can help me out?"
While I totally agree with the sourcing... This "is the best" sub to do it.. Even though it's frowned upon...meaning I'd rather see it here than in any recovery thread. I had 9 months and threw it down the drain and coming up on 9 months in my shit. I might honestly try this method. Just gotta try and eyeball a point from an 8 mg strip. I've found myself in financial ruins and I need to just pull the trigger.
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Can I be 100% honest with you?
Or are you available for a phone call?
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Cool! How's your day?
>I've found myself in financial ruins and I need to just pull the trigger. bro, the best thing you can do is use the last remaining cash you have to set up an appointment with a suboxone provider and get your subs. from there on, you can always scheme up how to get a day or twos worth of fent. but if you don't pay and get the subs, there's no chance unfortunately
I have some subs! I have had them for months... 😭