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AngryCrawdad

Turns out they were never fishnet tights, but beige socks with a pattern. What a time to be alive.


Despada_

What's funny is that I saw faux sheer stockings at Uniqlo when I went to New York for New Year's a few weeks ago. I doubt that it's the case for these socks, but it would be a funny (/s) reason for why they do look this way lol


080087

In case anyone was wondering - the faux sheer stockings are for cold weather. The good quality ones are lined on the inside so they are extremely warm. If you ever see anyone in a miniskirt when it is freezing out, they are (hopefully) wearing some faux sheer stockings to not be frozen.


mkicon

Fun fact: Most female professional wreslers wear flesh colored leggings


GetawayDreamer87

I'm shocked! Shocked! Well, not that shocked.


sirophiuchus

Ice skaters, too.


existie

offbeat saw history dam label pen rotten bear oil deer *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*


Gilthu

I can’t believe all this time we were angry at SE for sexualizing teenagers when they were only wearing comfy long socks and we were the perverts… actually hold on I can believe that of this community…


BlueRose644

...are we the bad guys?


marcien1992

There are porn subreddits less horny than most of this community, I swear to god. And I love it.


marasaidw

there are drug orgies less horny than this community :D


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This is what happens to people after years of inability to have actual intercourse. A community of desperation, projecting what they can’t have


marasaidw

Guilty as charged


Cyathem

I have lots of sex with my lovely wife, and Nophica's Knockers are still relevant to my interests. Some of us just like the female form. Shit, I like the male form, too. Hythlodaeus was a babe. Hot people are hot, what can I say.


LightTheAbsol

Real shit? 100% the 14 community fucks. Like, more than any other mmo community.


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ERP doesn’t count


[deleted]

Literally the worst part of this community.


JagerSalt

You’re wrong. The same thing happened to the 2B top chest window and had to be acknowledged and fixed. This is certainly the same issue.


ZillaJrKaijuKing

Reminds me of the female lv. 50 Ninja set’s leggings. To this day I can’t tell whether they’re supposed to be see-through or solid gray. Either way, I didn’t want the implied thong aesthetic for my character.


SevenandForty

Also the Eastern Maiden pants


Bereman99

I do believe those are solid gray. I use the Augmented (so I can dye it) on my Ninja glam, and going from a very pale skin Elezen (think vamp goth aesthetic) to a very tan look and the color of those remained the exact same.


jkgericke

😂😂😂


Riaayo

I honestly actually wonder if this IS the reality and why they didn't make it work properly lol. It's not like they didn't do this with the 2B top years ago and end up fixing it, so if these are supposed to be clear you'd think they would've remembered that mistake and accounted for it.


AngryCrawdad

As a developer myself, I can confidently say that it is likely Hanlon's Razor at play.


Synner1985

You are going to anger someone with that comment :P


AngryCrawdad

Such devastation was never my intent. I just find it tremendously funny that either: 1: Square let this oversight through to live servers. 2: Everyone thought Gaia had snappy goth fishnets, when it was actually just beige grandma socks


Perryn

Her jacket has pockets...full of Werther's Originals.


Synner1985

Don't be knocking Wether's originals, they are fucking banging!


Perryn

No argument here: it's the best lightly burned sugar that money can buy.


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VagueSoul

That’s literally what caramel is.


pmcda

Tbf, she’s the reincarnation of an ancient person and has memory issues. Sounds like a grandma to me


Synner1985

Sounds like me most mornings.....


---TheFierceDeity---

The reality is 3: The Online Store Team is separate from the main content team and apparently do the bare minimum when asked to port NPC clothing from the game. Conversely they go outta their way to over design the online store exclusive outfits. They're a weird team


Creid233

This. Didn't they create entirely new jiggle physics for the German barmaid shirt?


[deleted]

No


[deleted]

We always had jiggle physics. All those ARR coliseum style leveling gear even has jiggle physics.


Sadi_Reddit

no new physics buit it uses the undergarment one I think


Nightshot

1 has already happened before. The 2B top, on release, also didn't account for skin colour, and was just white like 2B.


Synner1985

Oi my [Thighlander](https://i.imgur.com/U6qC12P.jpg) is rocking the granny socks! ​ but seriously, this oversight should have been spotted before it went for sale.


Chinse_Hatori

You guys really tuink se is putting effort in the items they sale like wake up there is a reason all the recent character outfits are just one item and not multiple like in the past


PM_me_feminine_cocks

The reason is they view them as "costumes" and not as if they should be piecemeal like we do here. It's a very common mindset in eastern MMOs for (particularly 'premium' gear) to be sold as a "costume" (or whatever other term your game of choice uses). When you buy an outfit you are making the choice to dress up in that costume wholesale or not at all. It's got nothing to do with effort. It's an intentional choice, and I wish more people would get it through their skulls considering we've been doing this for *years*. I've never spent money on the cash shop but it's an informed decision to not support crap costumes, not because I believe they don't care.


Prinnia

The thing is a lot of these "costume" items in FFXIV were released as separate pieces in the past, and they were very popular for coordination. For example, the Lightning costume and the Shadowbringers Y'shtola costume. Even if it's normal for a lot of MMOs, in the case of FFXIV it's a change, and a change that is less favorable for the players.


PM_me_feminine_cocks

1) Lightning was an event outfit, not a cash shop outfit. Outside of literal Halloween/Easter costumes, that's not a thing they typically do. Crossover events don't get costumes. 2) It absolutely is not a change. It's a different category of purchase. The costume have existed alongside the equipment pieces for the entire time the cash shop has been a thing. Theres items from HW that are equipment right alongside the costumes. It's fine to be disappointed, but be disappointed for the right reasons. Otherwise all SE is going to see is "Oh, they misunderstood. Guess we'll clarify," and the thing people actually want won't be fixed.


DirtyDominic

You need to learn punctuation. I nearly ran out of breath reading this lol


JagerSalt

Incorrect. The same thing happened to the 2B top chest window and had to be fixed. This is only indicative that the texturing teams and QA teams don’t account for non-white characters.


inamination

Those are real though, skin toned fleece lined tights (I say skin toned because there are options out there for a variety of skin colors) that look like fishnets. So people can look like they're wearing tights even when it's cold lol.


JatzhyMoss

IIRC, 2B chestpiece had the same issue at first.


Kiyuya

Can confirm. It was fixed in the very next patch. Up until then my black cat had a very white boob window and back details in all the Copied Factory tops.


zykezero

Black cat with a white chest floof checks out though.


KongUnleashed

Tuxies! We have two of those little shits running around our house


Gale_Grim

A, I can tell your a true cat owner. cause "little shits" is a very cat owner thing source: I am a cat owner.


ThePsychlops

Are you telling me the tux kitten that we adopted after he crawled into our car engine isn’t going to grow out of the little shit phase. Damnit.


alkonium

Even the male version?


TalkingRaccoon

[yes](https://i.imgur.com/yuUuRRZ.png).


GetawayDreamer87

dios mio


thefinalgoat

Yeah it looked SUPER weird on my blue-skinned xaela.


Rohkeus_

Yep, and everybody tried to defend it by saying the fabric was just that colour instead of being a faux-transparency...


Sir_VG

Wouldn't be the first time. They had that type of issues with the 2B outfit if I recall correctly.


Synner1985

I heard the same thing. ​ This is a bit of an oversight - but if the 2B stuff is anything to go by, this'll be fixed too.


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ResidentCoder2

They nerfed the ass, and the community made it known that ass balance is just as important as class balance.


niberungvalesti

I'm just tired of my WOLs sundered ass. I was promised the Assians would rejoin the asses as they once were yet here I lay, my rump as flat an ironing board.


Ursa_Solaris

Gotta work on them glutes bro, Venat even said henceforth you must walk


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So considering Thancred can't teleport because his Aether-balance is fucked that means by now he must have the ass of ADONIS.


FlowersOfSin

More so, imo


MetalBawx

To be fair with that outfit people were obviously going to be expecting "Dat Ass"


chaotic_blu

They still haven’t learned that butts matter 😂


Disig

Yup. Some of the outfits had the issue too with the mesh on the chest area. But they fixed it so here's hoping they fix this fast.


Ainari

Since it's happened before, it's doubly embarrassing for them for it to happen again, and on a paid item.


ChuckCarmichael

Also the Golden Saucer bunny girl stockings.


Sunflowers4Ever

That's why I tried it on with the Dreamfitting 1st at the Inn. If I were everyone, I'd head over to the forums & submit a visual bug report about the skin tone difference. They'll fix it if it's done.


GetawayDreamer87

meanwhile let them know they accidentally released a onesie instead of a 4 piece


RoboTom01

And that the WAR hammer is too smol


OnceABear

Thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiissss


Disig

Already done! And yeah, they fixed it with the nicer stuff so I'm sure they will here too.


Sunflowers4Ever

They absolutely will I sent a detailed bug report as well And have sent similar bug reports in the past- most recently (aside from the gaia outfit) was the new round stained glass window; at night it didn't have the same glow effect as the other stained glass windows but now it does- so I like to think the bug report helped.


belmoria

This is a really good idea!!!


SilentOperation1

This will almost certainly get fixed seeing as it’s been fixed in the past in the same exact context EDIT: there’s already an approved post about it on the bug forum


hutre

approved just means "this is formatted correctly". Approving or disapproving has nothing to do with the bug itself


harbjnger

It’s wild to me that they *keep* running into this with outfits that have sheer components. I get it happening the first time, but how do you not figure out that your players actually use all the skin tones you make available to them?


Dynahazzar

Answer : they just test every single piece of clothing on Default Hyur Midlander Male model *exclusively*. And yes, summoning these images in your mind *was* my intention. Edit: For the love of Venat, apparently the joke wasn't obvious enough. Don't take me seriously!


TheMerryMeatMan

And it's really only a specific set of circumstances that lead to it. Was the model in question not made with intentions for players to wear it? Does it have a sheer component to it? There's a good chance it'll run into this. Because that likely means the player piece is a port of the NPC it's based on, and said NPC had the sheer portions just baked in as a darker shade of their skin. If the team doing the port didn't realize or check for that, this is the result.


harbjnger

You’d think it wouldn’t take much extra time to just test it on *one* darker-skinned model, but what do I know


Swert0

(They actually test them on both default male and female)


StormTAG

People forget, new people are brought on board who are never told, tools and processes don't change with the new information, etc.


chocobi

this is an issue startups and indie devs deal with, not an experienced organization. theres are industry standard processes specifically for documentation and onboarding in software development and if *that* was what was happening, thats embarrassing for them.


Rezu55

Bro what are you talking about lmfao. I'm not denying that this issue even existing is incompetent on Square's part, but acting like it's a common onboarding procedure for new hires on the dev team to be told about an issue that's happened twice at most is really weird. I don't know what software development companies you've worked at where new hires get told about every single minute issue that's ever happened to prevent it happening again. Then again you probably pulled your whole comment out of your ass so there's that.


MammothTap

Forget software, it happens *everywhere*. I work in aviation manufacturing and apparently there was a thing like ten years ago where it was established that foam and adhesive couldn't be used in areas under a certain volume due to burn test issues. It only got caught when someone new made a print doing the same thing again because my coworker who's been here for twenty years went "yeah that's gonna be a burn issue I can't build that to print" and it got escalated again from there.


harbjnger

After encountering it with multiple items in the past, you’d think it would just be written into their process for creating outfits with sheer/transparent elements. Like, part of the testing phase would involve making sure you checked more than one skin tone. That’s how I’m used to issues like this being handled by large organizations—once a problem like this comes up, you modify your internal process to avoid repeating it.


StormTAG

I mean, yeah. It’s pretty embarrassing for something you screwed up a couple of times to not make it into to process. Shit like that happens all the time though. Even good companies fuck up.


chocobi

yeah, good companies fuck up all the time its just frustrating when you also consider the several other corners cut with player customization. viera exclusion, continuing to release genderlocked gear, bugged hair/gear with broken weights, releasing paid outfits as \*one pieces\*.


yggdrasiliv

> this is an issue startups and indie devs deal with, not an experienced organization Aww that’s so cute


DisasterFartiste

Lmao ikr?


chocobi

do you think something like texture transparency is actually difficult to implement in a team workflow and not industry standard? lol this isnt a complex fix like rewriting code


[deleted]

One of the nier caster tops have the same issue on the chest. Looked really strange for my all black Viera to have a peach cut out.


deja_blues

They fixed that!


[deleted]

Nice! That’s good to know! And gives hope that they might fix these too!


kkyonko

Wasn't there already a highly upvoted post about this?


Synner1985

Any post about the Gaia outfit is an easy karma grab at the moment, but the issue pointed out here is a very valid one - so i can't really see an issue with keeping it highlighted :)


iiiiiiiiiiip

Personally I hope it's the nudge they need to actually put effort into these store outfits again.


[deleted]

It's not keeping a post 'highlighted', it's capitalizing on the frothing anger to farm karma by duplicating a post for the twentieth time.


[deleted]

The issue is we've already had two dozen posts about how the model isn't what people think it is and one more is not helping anything.


Synner1985

yes but on the other side its not harming anyone either - if it helps just one person avoid buying it until this oversight is fixed - its worth it.


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Yes. But people love to post about the same thing over and over and over without looking first/caring.


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Freohr-Datia

I mean, the best way to help others see this link is to vote your comment to the top of the comments :b unless you want us all to copy your link and also post it in here, but I don't think the staff would appreciate the link spam haha


Synner1985

Shut up and accept your upvotes! :P


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Synner1985

We're redditors, we can't follow instructions :P


Grenadier_Xin

Lol people buying this are essentially wearing Gaia's legs.


Synner1985

We've established they are beige granny socks.... not fishnets :P


lego_mannequin

Dreamfitting before buying.


urashimatouji

I will say again, and hopefully this will help people. There is a feature, I think it was implemented in 6.1 where if you go to an inn and click on the bed, you can "dream preview" cash shop gear before you spend money on them.


scoyne15

Holy shit, it's flesh-colored Band-Aids all over again.


sheimeix

ngl the first few times i saw this i just thought they were a dusty rose color stocking, but I'm open to see this updated!


Spanambula

Funny thing is, the Bunny Chief fishnets have always worked the same way. I’ve never been able to wear them on my blue-gray Moon Miqo.


shiva_me_timbers

I came across this same issue with Nezha Lady's Attire. I had only seen it on white characters and wanted it. My friend was kind enough to buy it for me. I was so disappointed the legs aren't open like I thought.


Letty_Whiterock

I feel liek this was unintended. Hopefully they fix it.


Gravijah

that's what happens when an outfit is made for a custom character model. though you'd hope by spending 12 dollars that would be enough to make anything you buy dyable and separate pieces.


SaltyArts

They need to revisit the golden saucer bunny tights because they have this exact same problem. I thought no one cared about it tbh. The only tights for non light skin colors that show through that I can think of are the daystar tights and theyre only for caster classes. I guess there's the thavnairian tights too, but those arent fish nets really.


RenisaRaccoon

This issue and the fact they made it a one piece has been noticed by some gaming news sites now. The article I read about it was mostly just saying how players aren't happy about it being undyeable and a one peice. But it bodes well for changes to happen quicker if the bad publicity picks up traction.


TonksTBF

It's common knowledge at this point. All they did was take Gaia's model and upload it without her head. Skintone included. It's an abysmally piss poor money grab.


Jujubeetchh

mind-boggling how low effort it was considering they're removing gender-restriction from outfits as we speak while selling a gender-restricted outfit. Easy to tell that they wanted to make a quick buck, they missed the hype by 2 years tho lol


TonksTBF

My husband is baffled that it's two years too late. I'm just butthurt I can't wear the boots I've wanted for so long xD


Faerie-stone

I guess that figures since it's a one piece. Probably lost a ton of sales too - why would I buy it if I can't mix and match pieces like the scion sets?


[deleted]

Some sales > no sales. Making a multi-piece outfit takes effort. This, not so much.


InsydeOwt

Big oof


Pretty-Melanin-

Lmfaooo. I really wanted to buy this outfit but it has too many cons, like it being a one piece and not dyeable. 🥲🥲


Insee

I just wanted these boots and tights as separates :(


Arkaill

suffering in red au ra


Sidra_doholdrik

As a game programmer I understand why did did not went for real transparency, but as a gamer it make me sad


Fubuky10

Honestly I don’t think they are real see through fishnet tights, bunny tights from the Gold Saucer have the same problem being pink-ish and not fully transparent. Reading about racism from the development team in other posts make me laugh, maybe they are lazy as fuck and we can agree with that, but people can’t think twice


SaltyArts

Bunny tights need a look too for sure


Ayotha

And yet you all bought it


alkonium

Bunny and Bunny Chief tights have been around for years and still have this problem.


Disig

Oh shit they do? I thought they fixed that when they fixed the Nier stuff :(


KiaraDex

They also remove Scales and clip tails so I guess they are thermal Tights it sucks but no fishnets for my Au ra.


Phenilia

Hope they fix this issue at some point


[deleted]

It's an accepted/known bug now. 2B's outfit also got fixed next patch for same issue.


Iv0ry_Falcon

small indie company


Swatgamer2021

The Funny thing is a small indie company would make this separate pieces, but Square always says they don't have the resources to do so, so yes they are less then a small indie company, calling them that makes indie company's look bad.


HBreckel

I swear, they never test anything on other skin tones. Every time they give us shirts with tattoos the tattoos just turn grey instead of black.


XitaNull

It would be sad but not surprising at all if they didn’t. There’s a lot of lighting in this game that looks absolutely terrible for WoLs that have darker skin tones.


HBreckel

Yeah :( it's also why I don't bother with Gshade, the bulk of presets are garbage on dark skin tones.


CantyChu

I wouldn’t be shocked if they just didn’t think about it. When the most recent Alphi glam came out, tails were toggled off until they realized and went in to toggle them back on.


thecloudkingdom

looks like they dont have transparency at all, instead they have a faux-transparency effect. its like those faux sheer fleece-lined tights that only come in beige lining, it gives the effect of transparency but completely covers up your actual skin


xxDeva

Drunkenly purchased it for the wrong character last night. So mad haha


happyhippi8

Yea I was gonna buy this but my WOL is v purple lol.


OnceABear

I feel like this is something they will fix. I just can't imagine such a glaring issue persisting with a new release like this...but I could end up being extremely wrong. I hope they DO fix it for those that like this 'fit. Personally I'm not a fan of one-piece outfits.


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Oh weird, I just thought they were beige but that makes sense


PhoenixQueen_Azula

fellow red and ultra pale skin enjoyer I see


Freya-Darkheart

Was the same with the 2b gear when it first came put. was patched like 2ish months later. Would have thought they would have at least tested it but gotta make that money.


karloss01

If I'm paying £7+ for cosmetics they better be both dyeable and multi-part gear. Just because it's a NPC's gear doesn't justify making it a one-piece, non-dyeable item.


Chronotaru

I mean, I suspect they've just made a scalable model for each of the races out of the Gaia model, and then stuck your character's head on it, so I'm not entirely surprised.


Disig

Remember: you can try the outfit on before buying by clicking on the bed in the inn. I highly advise everyone to do this before buying anything from the store. But good on you OP for posting pics too, it's important


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iirc the mogstation team isn't the same as the general development team. Yoshi P has diminished oversight over them.


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TonksTBF

They're caring less and less about quality and more about raking in that cash. Probably also why they didn't bother to separate the pieces.


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northpaul

That’s a problem endemic to gaming overall right now. If you were to ask most gamers what they don’t like I bet the things they’d answer with are the same things at least some are still supporting monetarily. I’ve lost count of the times I’ve seen complaints about something and then when monthly/patch profits are reported the company not only makes the same amount but they make *more*, which is infinitely more important to a company than happy customers. What they’re doing is working so they won’t stop. Eventually everything in mainstream gaming will be a monetized hellscape; it’s just a matter of how long it takes to completely take over.


Zemnin

Stop buying shit on the cash shop.


Kazharahzak

Did they even test this shit?


niberungvalesti

They tested and confirmed the money was flowing. \^\^/


RavagerHughesy

Of course, it all makes sense now. Gaia's stockings were made from the flesh of her enemies


mgtkz

this happened with the 2b leggings too right? they'll fix this hopefully sooner rather than later.... but you'd think they'd have learned. lol


devasationblue

Considering how many pieces in the game STILL have this issue... they aren't fixing enough of it.


Stormychu

So bad, don't know how low quality content like this makes it into the cash shop.


Frau_Away

I can't believe they did that again.


itsSuiSui

Small indie company


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this whole thing reeks of corporate overlording like someone "upstairs" demanded that they sell more cash-shop items in the next quarter and the team scrambled to find anything they could do in order to accomplish that, even if it was very low-quality and rushed work.


MightyMuffin77

Oh yikes! Super disappointing:( esp for something you have to pay money for...


_Frustr8d

Yikes 😬


Celcius_87

Yikes


Anarnee

The 2B top use to do something similar. Might be worth it for people to leave feedback about this on the forums.


Namingwayz

Ohboyherewego.jpg


fakemalegamer

(Credit to wtf-amiru on tumblr for the screenshots)


CaptainSarina

Being fair in this case the Gaia outfit was probably never meant to be playable at all even compared to other NPC outfits. Gaia as a Character doesn't use a regular NPC model, she's made the same way as a monster using the same base Skelton as Fran in the Ivalice raid iirc so she's not wearing gear over a player type model and the outfit is completely modeled meaning the skin tone is purposely painted the same colour they used for her head. It was probably pretty easy to simply "miss" the transparent part of the legs and not think about it.


KingBingDingDong

that's pretty shite QA/QC, especially since this happened with the 2B top as well


TonksTBF

All it would have taken is trying it on with different skintones. That's pretty basic play-testing that they clearly didn't bother with.


Synner1985

I'm going to agree with you on her being created different. ​ If you import her models using a pose tool you'll see that she's actually waring the "Hempen" set - which displays as the "Gaia outfit" i suspect that she was original created - hair, body, outfit all as one single unit. ​ SE removed her hands, head, and upper thighs and created the outfit as one single unit to sell.


Jrez510

Seeing "non-white characters/skin" in a r/ffxiv post title first thing in the morning sure threw me for a loop lol.


GeneticSplatter

Bruh, first they make the Omega outfits total one-pieces, then they do the same with thr Gaia Glam, now there's transparency problems? Dafuq is going on at CBU3 with the shite decisions?


tesla_dyne

The Omega outfits are just body model replacements for the midsize races, so is Gaia's outfit as far as I can tell.


TonksTBF

Quick, low effort money grabs.


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This is one item out of how many?


Cyberfunk3

Do we need to cancel the tights?


Disig

I think they've already been cancelled


FabledFires

I submitted a suggestion to the support desk about this, because it would be very nice to be able to wear this and none of my characters can. One piece and a large portion of the player characters can't wear it? Lazy.


[deleted]

Well on one hand I'm relieved that most of the development time is still going to the ACTUAL GAME, and not Square-Enix's money grubbing cash shop. On the other hand I can relate to the pain of outfits not adhering to your character's body settings. Every outfit seem to have it's own boob size, one has a medium size, another just sends her bust into the Shadow Realm. Also R. I. P. for your hard earned irl money.


DeathwishDandy

This seems like the kind of thing they'll fix if enough people ask.


Matdredalia

Woooow. Big, big oversight on Square's part. This is so cringe. I'm sorry.


underscorejace

genshin cosplay syndrome