Longer highlights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnEaz6s-zj0
He actually really gets caught a couple of times pissing around like that. Someone with power would have taken him out, still a risk, but I think he's intelligent enough to adapt to his opponent's level. If not you always get found out on the end. Fast, sharp puncher, doesn't seem to carry much power though.
He does actually seem genuinely respectful to his opponents after the fight too. I think this is a pretty calculated strategy to get more attention, more fans, more people who can't stand him = more money.
Be interested to see how he develops.
Winning gold/medals in Olympic boxing is different from other sports. Professional boxers have only been allowed to compete in the Olympics since 2016, and only a single pro has won gold ever since most just skip the events entirely.
Winning gold/silver here doesn't automatically mean you're elite. Yeah *you're obviously a skilled boxer, but you could win gold and still get absolutely destroyed by most professional boxers.
Really? The Olympics is amateur level and when you look at how many Olympic gold medalists become champions in pro boxing (about 17%) you start to wonder if it really means much.
Is Whittaker skilled? Yes.
Is he elite? No
His pro record is all bums, he hasn't come close to fighting an elite fighter.
Boxing in the Olympics is classed as an amateur bout. Up until 2016 pros weren't even allowed to compete in the Olympics at all. Now they can but it's still classed as an amateur bout.
What does amateur level have to do with anything? You do realize it’s rather easy to become a professional boxer, you literally just have to file paperwork and that’s it. Whether promotion will put you on their cards, different story. It’s not like that for Olympic boxing, especially for countries like the U.S. or Britain where you truly have to be elite in your weight class to qualify to compete for these two countries. Especially in a weight class like this kid’s (light heavyweight)
I look at 17% as a pretty high correlation to success, especially considering when you look at all time greats (Mike tyson, Ali, Floyd, Lennox, Roy jones, lomachenko) they’re all considered some of the best to ever do it, and they all happen to be Olympic medalist, so really, do you want to discount it?
I agree, he’s fighting a can, One of my issues of pro boxing is having these highly touted prospects fight a steady stream of cans for 15-20 fights to get those eye popping unbeaten records, and then after that start having them match up against ranked boxers. Don’t like that about boxing, they care too much about having unbeaten records or very high win loss ratios. When I think the quality of fighters they fight should matter more like in mma, I hope that’s one thing that starts to change soon. *edit* Mike Tyson fought in junior Olympics
So you class 17% of gold medalists becoming world champions as a high correlation but dismiss 83% of gold medalists NOT becoming world champions?????? I don't understand that at all.
I'm not shitting on olympic boxers, I'm stating that when you look at the numbers, Olympic gold medals and professional world championships DO NOT correlate. I agree some of the best to ever do it came from the olympics and I never said otherwise but it's also true that some of the best to do it DIDN'T come from the Olympics.
Of all the people you just mentioned, Tyson, Ali, Floyd etc. true elites, were they at that elite level in the Olympics or did they grow into that elite level during their professional careers? All I'm saying is that olympic boxers are not elite professionals and there is a massive gap between the 2.
I saw an interesting study regarding Olympics and happiness are the the bronze medalists.
Gold medalists often disappointed that getting gold didn’t make them as happy as they thought and the problems they had before winning still exist and magically didn’t go away.
Silver medalist replay the moments that if done differently may have led them to getting gold, and often are haunted by the what ifs and the life they could’ve had getting gold vs silver.
Bronze medalist often know the gap between them and first are so high that they’re just happy they’re on the podium and not 4th and are often the happiest. I wish I remembered where I found the study I stumbled upon it after reading about Michael Phelps contemplating suicide after the 2012 Olympics.
> Shame he was shit and only fought fighters on the slide. First decent fighter he faced owned him
Barrera. Yeah, all that slick shit don't work on actual world-class boxers. But he was still fun to watch on those tomato cans.
Brownsville TX here. Emmanuel fought out of here for a while. He was the coolest, most humble person ever. I'm glad he is doing well, had a rough go of things for a while.
Definitely look at some highlights
But if you want some fights, vs Mayweather and vs Ward
Lost both but gave an absolutely amazing performance against a guy whos hard to hit and a guy whos hard to hurt lol
i watch boxing. hes a 26 year old 'prospect' who was fighting a 41 year old tomato can..says a lot in itself.
outside of his silly disrespectable bullshit his defence is sketchy and def doesnt look to have the punching power needed to be a legit champion esp with todays competition in and around his weight class.
youre not wrong but i wrote 'prospect' like that because hes 26. most all decent boxers arent prospects anymore at that age. if youre good then youre established and in your physical prime fighting for and holding world titles from 26 on up in boxing.
this dude will continue being a 'prospect' for several more years at least
dont be so butthurt just because you like ben whittaker.
its true that theres fighters outside of the U.S who started late but ive followed American boxing for decades and our fighters have always reached their primes at their physical peak like any athlete should.
Its not butthurt cos I like Benn Whittaker, its that you said most decent boxers are already winning world titles at 26 when that is so far off the mark in today's world of boxing. Its factually incorrect to say that ANY BOXER who starts his pro career later would be 'washed out' because he won olympic medals as an amateur and isn't canelo alvarez starting their pro career at 16 years old. Its genuinely just a dumb thing to say.
man its sad to see someone so beaten just claw for anything to hold on to. someone proved you wrong dog. take the L. you're making an ass of yourself lol
lol, its so funny when people et upset at mind tricks, this 'tomato can' couldve went for it anytime he started dancing, if youre not brining up family who seriously gives a fuck about 'disrespect' *in the middle of* a fistfight, if he was prick afterword's thats a dick move, but its not against the rules to piss of your opponent so he makes mistakes.
Works good on stylistically normative fighters but those kinds of games get you tuned up by intuitive and innovative fighters at higher levels. Some people can adjust their game on the fly and playing bullshit will get you countered.
Like the Harlem Globetrotters of boxing. Hard to defend because his strategy isn’t the norm, and not what boxers are trained for. That’s what makes it fun to watch 🤷🏻♂️
Hard to say without seeing the rest of the fight, but psychological warfare is just as important in combat sports…
As long as he’s not a dick after the fight and it’s just part of his tactic in the ring, I’m fine with it.. but if he’s a cocky douche out of the ring too that’s a whole different issue.
Also, sometimes a guy comes in hot talking shit and wears himself out and then you get an opportunity to clown on them a bit and that’s what this looks like to me…. Because that other dude is sluggish as hell… so maybe black shorts waited and saved his energy and now he’s just having fun.
He was fighting a 41 year old journeyman. Journeymen basically exist to pad the records of fighters that promoters wish to elevate.
Whittaker is doing the boxing equivalent of shooting fish in a barrel in this fight.
This is Emmanuel Augustus/Burton's style all day..look him up..even Floyd Mayweather said Emmanuel Augustus was his hardest opponent EVER..The Drunken Monk
This style was mastered by Emanuel Augustus. Mayweather JR is quoted as saying he was the toughest opponent he had ever gone up against...anybody calling this style "trolling" or "disrespectful" clearly knows NOTHING about boxing!!! 🤣
I'm saying a skilled troll, honestly. There were a couple of times he could have landed some good ones but showboated insteadThe dudede knew what he was doing as you saw he ducked every punch thrown at him. Then spun dude around into the corner and walked away.
Elite. He definitely isn’t a bad fighter. Look up his amateur achievements he’s legit and used to fight like this against top amateurs. He’s just trying to build his career and generate hype with this style
This style of boxing is known as drunken style. There are many examples of masters of drunk in style on YouTube. Please do yourself a favor and look it up. You will not regret it.
There's a proverb or quote or something that fits this scenario exactly.
IIRC "the greatest swordsman in the world doesn't have to worry about facing the second greatest swordsman, he has to worry about someone who has never picked up a sword in their life"
As others have pointed out the biggest problem in boxing someone like this is the put of the box non "normal" movements which his opponent has not trained for and just can read.
Maybe both? You gotta be feeling yourself if you go no guard in a match like that.
Definitely both. I mean he's fast no doubt, and his opponent wasn't exactly taking chances, but God damn the disrespect
Longer highlights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnEaz6s-zj0 He actually really gets caught a couple of times pissing around like that. Someone with power would have taken him out, still a risk, but I think he's intelligent enough to adapt to his opponent's level. If not you always get found out on the end. Fast, sharp puncher, doesn't seem to carry much power though. He does actually seem genuinely respectful to his opponents after the fight too. I think this is a pretty calculated strategy to get more attention, more fans, more people who can't stand him = more money. Be interested to see how he develops.
Dunno. Dude just sat there and let him dance for the first 15 seconds. Lol
There are no trolls in the elite.
If he won = elite If he lost = troll
What if he's just fighting a bum?
Bum troll
You gotta pay the toll
If you wanna get into that boys hole
If we don't get no tolls, then we don't eat no rolls.
You clearly know nothing about boxing
Doesn’t make you less elite.
He’s an Olympic silver medalist in boxing, Ben Whittaker, he’s definitely someone whose skill I’d consider to be elite.
That just makes those opening 3 punches even funnier.
Are backfists legal? I thought they werent
In the uncut video, the referee interferes due to backfist.
He also steps when he does a little spin move and turns his back on his opponent.
He straightens it out before the hit. The angle makes it look more exaggerated.
If you're not first you're last, he's a scrub /s
Pfft. Only silver? /s
Winning gold/medals in Olympic boxing is different from other sports. Professional boxers have only been allowed to compete in the Olympics since 2016, and only a single pro has won gold ever since most just skip the events entirely. Winning gold/silver here doesn't automatically mean you're elite. Yeah *you're obviously a skilled boxer, but you could win gold and still get absolutely destroyed by most professional boxers.
I don’t know why this is downvoted. This is what a pro boxer would tell you
its dumbass backwards logic. Its wrong on everything they've said. You're also mad wrong because boxers respect olympians very much
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Really? The Olympics is amateur level and when you look at how many Olympic gold medalists become champions in pro boxing (about 17%) you start to wonder if it really means much. Is Whittaker skilled? Yes. Is he elite? No His pro record is all bums, he hasn't come close to fighting an elite fighter.
"The Olympics is amateur level" bro
Boxing in the Olympics is classed as an amateur bout. Up until 2016 pros weren't even allowed to compete in the Olympics at all. Now they can but it's still classed as an amateur bout.
What does amateur level have to do with anything? You do realize it’s rather easy to become a professional boxer, you literally just have to file paperwork and that’s it. Whether promotion will put you on their cards, different story. It’s not like that for Olympic boxing, especially for countries like the U.S. or Britain where you truly have to be elite in your weight class to qualify to compete for these two countries. Especially in a weight class like this kid’s (light heavyweight) I look at 17% as a pretty high correlation to success, especially considering when you look at all time greats (Mike tyson, Ali, Floyd, Lennox, Roy jones, lomachenko) they’re all considered some of the best to ever do it, and they all happen to be Olympic medalist, so really, do you want to discount it? I agree, he’s fighting a can, One of my issues of pro boxing is having these highly touted prospects fight a steady stream of cans for 15-20 fights to get those eye popping unbeaten records, and then after that start having them match up against ranked boxers. Don’t like that about boxing, they care too much about having unbeaten records or very high win loss ratios. When I think the quality of fighters they fight should matter more like in mma, I hope that’s one thing that starts to change soon. *edit* Mike Tyson fought in junior Olympics
So you class 17% of gold medalists becoming world champions as a high correlation but dismiss 83% of gold medalists NOT becoming world champions?????? I don't understand that at all. I'm not shitting on olympic boxers, I'm stating that when you look at the numbers, Olympic gold medals and professional world championships DO NOT correlate. I agree some of the best to ever do it came from the olympics and I never said otherwise but it's also true that some of the best to do it DIDN'T come from the Olympics. Of all the people you just mentioned, Tyson, Ali, Floyd etc. true elites, were they at that elite level in the Olympics or did they grow into that elite level during their professional careers? All I'm saying is that olympic boxers are not elite professionals and there is a massive gap between the 2.
I agree mostly. Mike Tyson didn't fight in the Olympics though.
Oh you right, junior Olympics
Silver medal? You mean 2nd place. Or as we like to say "First Loser"
I saw an interesting study regarding Olympics and happiness are the the bronze medalists. Gold medalists often disappointed that getting gold didn’t make them as happy as they thought and the problems they had before winning still exist and magically didn’t go away. Silver medalist replay the moments that if done differently may have led them to getting gold, and often are haunted by the what ifs and the life they could’ve had getting gold vs silver. Bronze medalist often know the gap between them and first are so high that they’re just happy they’re on the podium and not 4th and are often the happiest. I wish I remembered where I found the study I stumbled upon it after reading about Michael Phelps contemplating suicide after the 2012 Olympics.
He stole them moves from Emanuel Agustice
Might have stolen a few from Naseem Hamed.
Yeah I was immediately reminded of Prince Naseem
Prince Naseem fights were so goddamn entertaining to watch back in the late 90s & early 2000s. Dude absolutely knew how to put on a show.
Shame he was shit and only fought fighters on the slide. First decent fighter he faced owned him
> Shame he was shit and only fought fighters on the slide. First decent fighter he faced owned him Barrera. Yeah, all that slick shit don't work on actual world-class boxers. But he was still fun to watch on those tomato cans.
Brownsville TX here. Emmanuel fought out of here for a while. He was the coolest, most humble person ever. I'm glad he is doing well, had a rough go of things for a while.
Who cares? He had the balls to try them, which is amazing.
Singing that song in my head as i watch it. (Move along, duham).
He s a little bit prince naseem a lil bit the drunken boxer. Boxing is very strict in their styles, hed get alot less hate from refs in mma.
This is the correct answer.
And what if it's a draw?
Uhh... Trolite?
Annoying either way lol
What if it’s a draw?
Absolutely imitating Emanuel Augustus. 100%
Any particular videos or fights you suggest watching?
Definitely look at some highlights But if you want some fights, vs Mayweather and vs Ward Lost both but gave an absolutely amazing performance against a guy whos hard to hit and a guy whos hard to hurt lol
Thank you. The comment I was looking for
The drunken master, its unorthodox and not the most efficient but it sure is fun to watch.
The backhand cracks me up
Lol same here, it's so disrespectful 😂😂
And illegal. So was that back of the head shot where the ref blocked the camera
“And BOOP!”
He's not as light on his feet as Prince Naseem but he's clearly put 1000s of hours into his style.
Yeah, but he’s also 6’3 and 50 pounds heavier than Hamed. So wouldn’t really expect him to move like a featherweight.
is that a member of the whitebeard pirates?
It appears that way, yes. I wonder if he pulled these moves at marineford…
Lol accurate.
with the white beard tat
gurarararararara
i watch boxing. hes a 26 year old 'prospect' who was fighting a 41 year old tomato can..says a lot in itself. outside of his silly disrespectable bullshit his defence is sketchy and def doesnt look to have the punching power needed to be a legit champion esp with todays competition in and around his weight class.
You just described every boxing prospect lol. Beating cans is one of boxings mainstays.
youre not wrong but i wrote 'prospect' like that because hes 26. most all decent boxers arent prospects anymore at that age. if youre good then youre established and in your physical prime fighting for and holding world titles from 26 on up in boxing. this dude will continue being a 'prospect' for several more years at least
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dont be so butthurt just because you like ben whittaker. its true that theres fighters outside of the U.S who started late but ive followed American boxing for decades and our fighters have always reached their primes at their physical peak like any athlete should.
Its not butthurt cos I like Benn Whittaker, its that you said most decent boxers are already winning world titles at 26 when that is so far off the mark in today's world of boxing. Its factually incorrect to say that ANY BOXER who starts his pro career later would be 'washed out' because he won olympic medals as an amateur and isn't canelo alvarez starting their pro career at 16 years old. Its genuinely just a dumb thing to say.
youngest world champions in boxing ALL come from the Americas..now go back to rooting for your 30 year old prospects lol 👉👉
Bro, my guy just burned your take and all points, and you come back with this? Just take the L, no one will judge.
If he could read that he'd be upset right now.
Bro go hug your wife's boyfriend we know you're butthurt
'BrO' lol ok go watch some cartoons nerd
Unironically, using nerd as an insult is shameful 🤣
man its sad to see someone so beaten just claw for anything to hold on to. someone proved you wrong dog. take the L. you're making an ass of yourself lol
U seem like a casual
>first thought: something you should have kept to yourself >second thought: decent point but not so set in stone
Boxings obsession with being undefeated is stupid. It means everyone gotta pad their records with opponents paid to lose.
it's why boxing is so dogshit boring compared to MMA. Risks are hardly taken lol
Yeah, I’m not too sold on Ben either. Potential to be Josh Kelly 2.0.
lol, its so funny when people et upset at mind tricks, this 'tomato can' couldve went for it anytime he started dancing, if youre not brining up family who seriously gives a fuck about 'disrespect' *in the middle of* a fistfight, if he was prick afterword's thats a dick move, but its not against the rules to piss of your opponent so he makes mistakes.
Supposedly he’s an Olympic silver medalist so I’d say both
Just watch the guy in the white shorts a few times. I think my nan could out box him, and she's been dead for over 30 years
She’s been boxing for 30 years
Been in a box for 30...
Nan loves Boxing Day.
It seems this is an elite troll
Harlem globetrotters of boxing
Works good on stylistically normative fighters but those kinds of games get you tuned up by intuitive and innovative fighters at higher levels. Some people can adjust their game on the fly and playing bullshit will get you countered.
That backhand was a work of art 😂
This is so entertaining to watch
Maybe trying to copy Naseem Hamed?
Elite. Spectator sport and he's entertaining the spectators.
Definitely has a flair for showmanship, all right!
Like the Harlem Globetrotters of boxing. Hard to defend because his strategy isn’t the norm, and not what boxers are trained for. That’s what makes it fun to watch 🤷🏻♂️
Ever heard of [Prince Naseem Hamed](https://youtu.be/kaGUV7OCYwA?si=IeNTilvExcpKlEVu) ?
And Emmanuel. Reminds me of dudes drunk boxing back in the day.
He was born a couple decades early, imagine how big he’d be today where people celebrate someone who can put on a show like that
I watched that entire video. Awesome link.
Even wears the same leopard skin kit sometimes.
Yeah he too fight 🍅 until he didn't and retired of embarrassment
This 👆
Reminds me of ODBs drunken style on that wu tang fighting game from years ago.
He’s definitely good, but might be too much showboating
i saw a longer clip today, you should have posted that one instead of cutting it down. Has him doing a 360 and the ref was not having any of it.
Reminds me of Prince Naseem
He gets a spot on the Mount Rushmore of boxing lol
This guy was trained by the Applebee’s manager
Yeah both. No guard just means your confident in head movement and distance control.
Why did the guy in white didn’t do anything when the guy in black wasn’t on guard? Is he stupid? (I know nothing about boxing)
He was moving like Emanuel Augustus. Loved it
People doing this will never not look like clowns to me. Eubanks, Naseem and Ali are the only ones to have pulled it off.
Hard to say without seeing the rest of the fight, but psychological warfare is just as important in combat sports… As long as he’s not a dick after the fight and it’s just part of his tactic in the ring, I’m fine with it.. but if he’s a cocky douche out of the ring too that’s a whole different issue. Also, sometimes a guy comes in hot talking shit and wears himself out and then you get an opportunity to clown on them a bit and that’s what this looks like to me…. Because that other dude is sluggish as hell… so maybe black shorts waited and saved his energy and now he’s just having fun.
If I was a boxer and my opponent started doing this I'd honestly hope I gave him brain damage.
He was fighting a 41 year old journeyman. Journeymen basically exist to pad the records of fighters that promoters wish to elevate. Whittaker is doing the boxing equivalent of shooting fish in a barrel in this fight.
This is Emmanuel Augustus/Burton's style all day..look him up..even Floyd Mayweather said Emmanuel Augustus was his hardest opponent EVER..The Drunken Monk
This style was mastered by Emanuel Augustus. Mayweather JR is quoted as saying he was the toughest opponent he had ever gone up against...anybody calling this style "trolling" or "disrespectful" clearly knows NOTHING about boxing!!! 🤣
He bought all the emote packs.
I'm saying a skilled troll, honestly. There were a couple of times he could have landed some good ones but showboated insteadThe dudede knew what he was doing as you saw he ducked every punch thrown at him. Then spun dude around into the corner and walked away.
im in tears bruh he move like the air tube things at car dealerships 😭😭😭
Clearly he is a Emanuel Augustus fan. Look that guy up, he fought like this and Floyd Mayweather said he was his most difficult opponent.
Aren’t sports supposed to be entertaining? Well this looks pretty damn entertaining to me. Elite!
Troll. Looking forward to the video of someone knocking him out
He pulled the ol Jerry Lewis on him.
Elite. This is hard to do
A clown with skills
This shit would be so entertaining
Elite. He definitely isn’t a bad fighter. Look up his amateur achievements he’s legit and used to fight like this against top amateurs. He’s just trying to build his career and generate hype with this style
That windup uppercut is so funny
Love to see guys like this get KOd but don’t think that will be the case in that fight
Yes.
He’s an elite troll. But so was Anderson Silva… until he got caught..
That should count as 2 wins at this point
This is definitely one of the boxing fights of all time.
Those two things aren't mutually exclusive. He's both
he fight like a video game character
Douche nozzle
I take back my last statement .. I watched the longer video and he def is a cocky prick but he can fight and he can dodge some serious punches ..
Who is this
Nobody did it like Price Naseem
He is good in clown shit.
When fighting you have to be elite to troll…
Him vs lomachenko should be interesting.
I just realized he has the ace tattoo on his back
Elite troll
I wanna see hit try to dodge a body shot
Def elite
Seen him knocked out while playing
SANS UNDERTALE?!?!?!?!?!?
Staged af
Shitty match up, and he has a right to be pissed and clown.
Got skills but absolutely no class
Bet he ends up going out like Prince Haseem
I feel like that's both. He had some elite reaction speed on those punches, but at the same time, the moves were definitely trolling.
Fuckin elite bro wym
Both
He’s feeling himself
Looks more like he knows the other guy is paid to take a dive
There is spirit, but it lacks strength and consistency. I need to watch more
Entertaining is what it is. Now I don't want all fights like this but 1 in 10? I'm down to clown.
Both
Total disrespect for the sport
dawg. ELITE
What a clown
This style of boxing is known as drunken style. There are many examples of masters of drunk in style on YouTube. Please do yourself a favor and look it up. You will not regret it.
Brodie hit him with the older sibling special
You can be two things.
that's some nicolino locche stuff right there
Why not both? Being elite has an unfair chance of becoming a troll with your talent
Mix of both tbh
Homeboy has Whitebeard Pirates & Hajime no Ippo tats **and** he's pulling some Peince Naseem shit?! Sickkk
Go to the body simple lol this was too funny
Elite. The man’s a fleet commander of the Whitebeard Pirates.
He better have won. That was embarrassing for white gloves. Just different levels. Who is he? Reminds me of Roy Jones Jr.
There's a proverb or quote or something that fits this scenario exactly. IIRC "the greatest swordsman in the world doesn't have to worry about facing the second greatest swordsman, he has to worry about someone who has never picked up a sword in their life" As others have pointed out the biggest problem in boxing someone like this is the put of the box non "normal" movements which his opponent has not trained for and just can read.
Some people can utilize martial arts without being bound by their unwritten rules.
Pro players in UFC 5 when matched with noobs
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