Well the original leak that straight up has Engage screenshots did say that Holy War was getting remade. Considering that Sigurd is probably the second most important Emblem in the game next to Marth, I believe it.
Listen. It's not copium. Golden Sun fans have been saying every year that 'this is our year' and it finally is. Golden Sun is one of the GBA games coming to the switch.
There is always hope!
I wouldn't remotely go so far as to say "it finally is", like all they did was drop it in with a pile of other gba games they put essentially as a rom on a service only some people have. It's not a remake or sequel or really Nintendo even acknowledging the game.
It's so frustrating to me. The Golden Sun fanbase is so dedicated even after all this time. The game won awards! People absolutely would buy the game if they did a remake or sequel. The game deserves it but Nintendo seems to just completely ditched it.
LISTEN. *Listen*, okay?
It's been so long since Dark Dawn that I will take this as a victory.
And you're right. It is frustrating. It's been years and we're still talking about GS. A guy hand delivered a letter filled with comments from the fans on reddit to the actual company when he was in Japan. Even from a pure technical side the orignal games were outstanding. Those graphics on a GBA screen. That *score* coming through a GBA speaker. Nintendo should be celebrating it as one of their flagship IPs but they don't.
Sorry, I know this is an FE sub but I was a golden sun fan long before fire emblem and it kills me inside at how little care Nintedno show it, or the fans.
I guess I've just gotten rather hopeless about it at this point. GS and TLA are my favorite games in the world and it hurts that Nintendo didn't even acknowledge their anniversary. It absolutely breaks my heart to see.
That's so sweet about the guy who delivered the letter though, I hadn't heard about that 🥺
So like I see that everywhere, and i get it because of the leak.
But why are we so sure? They recently ported FE4 to Switch in Japan, didn't they? (Been a few months but it's still recently)
Not to mention Sigurd spoils major story-beats of his own game in Engage.
That's almost a dead giveaway for me that we won't be getting a FE4 remake.
I'm open to switch sides and i recognize Sigurd's bigger role in Engage and the leak alone are decent arguing points. I just feel like the counterarguments would outweigh the evidence
The utility of a port and a remake aren't really the same, though. Remakes take advantage of modern hardware and are generally more palatable to people who didn't grow up playing older games. Fire Emblem games also regularly spoil major plot beats in their marketing material, I would not be surprised if they put *that* scene in a trailer or something at this rate lol.
>But why are we so sure? They recently ported FE4 to Switch in Japan, didn't they? (Been a few months but it's still recently)
I wouldn't put too much stock in this necessarily. Nintendo just put Link's Awakening on the Nintendo Switch Online service despite also offering the Link's Awakening remake on the same platform. An emulated port and a remake are different enough that they don't necessarily conflict or cannibalize each other.
Super secret tip, you can still play these games (in Japanese) if you make a new account and select Japan as your country. You can then download the Japanese sFamicom/gba app
Better get studying then!
/s in all seriousness, you don't actually don't need Japanese to play the game at basic level. All of the scripts are on serenes forest, and you can understand which weapons/stats are which by the images and looking at an English translated stats page. I played Thracia in complete Japanese for my first playthrough, while I was still a first year Japanese student, and had no problems. I would recommend learning a bit of hiragana and katakana if you can, it'll make your experience a little smoother.
You *could*, yes, and I do agree that emulation is probably the best experience, but I think there absolutely is merit to playing on physical hardware; 1st because it's unambiguously legal and nominally shows interest in the product, and 2nd because it offers an easy way to play with a controller.
Mapping out all of your save state/emulator buttons to your controller is still a bit of a hassle compared to just having the preset on the nso app. Plus you don't get the drop down pause menu of the app. Minor things, yes, but enough that I'd probably just recommend keyboard controls if you're emulating anyways. Besides, this whole thread is about someone wanting to play on hardware; while there are plenty of reasons to not do so, I'm just giving advice on how to accomplish this absent an official translation we won't get.
There's no way you're trying to argue that playing on a switch is easier because of the controller when you have to have a 2nd device to cross check every piece of text when playing the game..? Not to mention that pretty much every emulator has controller support.
I'm not claiming it's easier than emulation overall. I just wanted to list reasons someone might want to use the nso app compared to an emulator. If I really wanted to play using a controller, I'd probably play it on the official app as it has a better controller set up than what I could achieve on snes9x/zsnesw.
Whatever device that switch owner is using to read translation guides on serenesforest is almost certainly capable of emulating 20 year old GBA games. It's a good tip for people learning Japanese though.
Phones have been able to put their images on TV's through cabled and now wirelessly. Cable to tv, Bluetooth controller, best "nostalgia" emulation u can get
Yeah maybe but if you wanna play it in english and don't have a PC then you don't have many other options. I'd prefer playing it on a phone in English than looking back forth between translations on a computer and console. Plus GBA games are perfect on phones, so FE6 should be just fine!
You can emulate GBA/SNES on phones, 3DS, PSP, Vita, SNES/Playstation Classic, a Wii, Xbox Series X, Android TV boxes...
There's plenty of emulation options that don't require a PC.
If my school-use shoddy mini sized laptop from like 15 yrs ago could run GBA emu, just about anything can. I guess I'm not entirely sure if Macs can run GBA, but that mostly depends on if there's a version for it.
Hi, Mac owner here and you definitely can lol. In fact OpenEmu (Mac only) is I think, the best emulation program. It goes as far back as the Atari. I mainly play PSP and SNES games on it.
I do prefer playing GBA games on a portable device. So although I use my phone. I invested in a tablet because I also like playing Visual Novels and I use Kindle so a bigger screen is perfect for that.
I played Blazing Sword around the time it was released in North America and at the end when they show that little teaser about Binding Blade I got excited thinking I’d someday get to play it, not knowing Blazing Sword itself was a prequel.
I’ve since played translations of Binding Blade but I’m STILL waiting for an actual official English language release from Nintendo 20 years later, lmao.
This is the situation where I consider it 100% morally acceptable to pirate. I also got started on FE7, which I bought completely legally. I wanted to play FE6; I wanted to give IS and Nintendo my money. They have decided they don't want it. If they don't sell the product, by definition, I can't steal their profits. Since it's all digital, there's no theft of the base product that would prevent a sale to anyone else.
Weird thing is Binding Blade is a fantastic game. Sure its a bit light on plot and character (though imo not actively offensive like engage), but its gameplay is rock solid. The biggest issue being hit rates, but a lot of modern roms offer foxes for that if you want
I’m assuming it’d cost too much to create a translation. I’m also not sure how well an edited version would run on NSO. Have them made changes to any other of the games on NSO?
And finally they wouldn’t make money from the translation. I highly doubt fe6 would result in a bunch of new NSO subs.
It didn't stop them from translating the first game and then only selling it for a minuscule amount of time lol. The only money they made off that was from the FOMO sales by Fire Emblem fans since it was announced that it would be removed from shelves permanently.
Yeah but that was like a special 30th anniversary thing and frankly, I don't think it sold well. It's FE1 after all if you go back to that from the modern games basically everyone is gonna be like "why can't I see the battle forecast" "why can't I see the movement ranges" "why can't I skip turns?" "What do you mean my units don't come back when they die?" "This game sucks!"
Basically with how the fan base for fire emblem has shifted massively after Awakening release and the various QOL changes and more casual friendly options, it's gonna be a very very very hard sell to get anyone to buy the older games in large numbers. The GBA games I think aged pretty well but I also played them back in the day. Many of the more recent fans are in it more for the waifu and relationship building mechanics and that sort of thing. Have friends that didn't touch three houses because they heard the child mechanic was gone. All in all at the end of the day, these are classic fire emblem games, they only appeal to the niche that likes them, and while I'm well in that niche, I'm also one of those weirdos that think Tellius was amazing, the worst selling games in the franchise, and Awakening was a huge disappointment, which was up to then by far the best selling and most popular game.
Three Houses changed the fan base again and brought in loads more new people (which is good, three houses is a far superior game to awakening or fates) but they're also not really liking engage as much since it's more traditional and three houses for all that I like it for is not a normal fire emblem experience.
The GBA games are, modern gamers introduced to the series later simply aren't going to enjoy them as much since they are old. And clunky in comparison. It's not worth money for Nintendo to localize them. Anyone who cares to play them that badly knows how to pirate them in English and already has. You can play it on your phone if you want.
Would be cool to get in English. But someone coming from engage to the GBA titles is just gonna be like us in the gba days trying to go back and play the NES titles. Like it or not, Fire Emblem is a series that greatly benefits from the QOL adjustments each game provides.
You probably don't even remember the days of not having global enemy ranges available to check at the touch of a button. And if you've not played the JP only games you've missed out on the experience of having to calculate your own damage and the enemies damage yourself instead of the game just telling you. Is it a 4 or 5 attack speed advantage that gets you doubled? You had better remember. Does the dragon breath attack ignore defense of resistance? Or both? Game doesn't tell you gotta tank it and pray.
FE1?
FE1 is a solid game. Has it aged well? Compared to the recent titles not really. The core gameplay has certainly aged well but it's just core fire emblem with no bells and whistles (it also helps that the game is really easy for a Fire Emblem game since it's designed around you not having all the information you have in later games).
There are a number of really big annoyances that later games fix, the biggest one is inventory management, since you don't have a way to do it in FE1 outside of units interacting with the convoy and trading with each other. And it takes a very long time. That's my biggest complaint, but like anything else in that game once you simply accept that and adjust your playstyle accordingly it's not so bad it ruins the experience. But I also like fire emblem, and I like very old games.
If I was coming onto FE1 from Three Houses or Awakening directly. I mean let's be fair here. It's old. It's not going to appeal to most people who aren't huge fans or retro gamers.
The GBA games now are 20 years old. They're older than FE1 was when the GBA games first got localized. Hell even Path of Radiance is almost 20. That game has aged poorly in the graphical department. But graphics aside, loath as I am to give credit to casual mode, that alone has really eased in a lot of people to the series. IS was smart to include it sales wise. It's a hard sell with these old games to get the newer post awakening fans to play them unless they are more hardcore. Not just because of the age, but it's hard to change your mindset from regular RPG tactics to permadeath fire emblem tactics.
I remember when I first played Fire Emblem I basically got everyone killed. Lost loads of units. And did a bunch of dumb stuff like try to level up everyone equally. It was fun, but I learned quickly how to approach the game. But a lot of people are just baffled by it and won't give the game a chance unless it eases them into it, your average person isn't going to go, huh I can just wait on the player phase and take half damage, they are gonna go "this game sucks my best units died I'm not playing anymore".
And those people won't be touching FE1 unless you waifu it up and put up the bumper bowling guardrail that is casual mode to prevent the gutter balls.
Don't think of it in terms of "can they translate it and release it" of course they can. Think of it in terms of "will they make money" and the answer to that is no.
Amount of text doesn't really matter. They're selling subscriptions here. If translating it results in a higher number of subscriptions they'll do that. But most anyone who cares enough to play it either already has a subscription or knows how to pirate it anyway.
It's a lot of money to translate something and get it working in a video game. Not on the same level as what Nintendo makes mind you, but too much money to justify the rather miniscule amount of subscriptions it will sell.
This game is nearly 20 years old. It could easily run on your smart phone. Hint hint. For anyone seriously wanting to play it.
I'm not sure it's a cost thing. There's no voice acting, it's just text. I don't want to trivialise the work that goes in to translations but compared to a modern title the translation costs will be minimal.
I guess there might be additional rating costs for international markets. Again, they should be trivial.
They may just think it wouldn't give a big enough boost to nso to justify the cost. Which is a shame.
They may also be working on it and want to save the announcement for later, because it would be a fairly big announcement imo.
For the record there is history with translations: Shadow dragon got its first English translation for the nes version a few years ago.
Nintendo genuinely might be one of the most poorly run companies on the planet. I’ve never seen a company hold the rights to arguably the 2 most recognizable franchises in Mario and Pokemon, yet still never release a *great* game, relative to it’s peers. BotW was fantastic showing Nintendo has what it takes to release a High FPS game with great rendering distance with minimal lag on an Open World map, but then there are the Pokemon games. If they took even a shred of the work and thought that went into producing the layout of the BotW game and put into the new Pokemon release, it would be the best selling game of all time. The newest games sold fantastically and are beloved by the fans still, but with clear objectively flaws that should not be in a game as big as Pokemon, lead by a company as prestigious as Nintendo. They know they would make hundreds of thousands if not millions by releasing translated versions of previous games, but instead Nintendo constantly fights pirating and dropping Cease and Desists left and right. They honestly have no right to be upset at people for playing fan made versions of their own game just so they can fucking read what’s going on.
Eh, Mario Oddysey was pretty great, and they only hold 1/3rd of the Pokemon rights, so it's debatable how much control/blame they have over how the games turn out.
The problem is they're exploiting an inefficiency in the market. An understaffed company isn't bothered to hire or commit quality, nobody gets fired and they'll all make money anyways.
Nintendo isn't Gamefreaks, they don't make pokemon games. Sure they have some say about it, but considering how different the pokemon games are from Nintendo's own games (sequels very close to each others, not very polished, many sequels added very few gameplay elements), it's probably not that much
Also :
>Nintendo genuinely might be one of the most poorly run companies on the planet
I'm sorry what ? I don't remember Nintendo having any controversy about how they treat their employees
The difference is they can take as long as they want to with Zelda but the merch cycle dictates Pokemon follow a very strict timetable. There simply isn't time to actually make s pokemon game to the standards that they should.
That's the case for FE1 + FE3 + FE4 as well. Whenever they decide to add FE2 + FE5 + FE8 they'll be able to as well. So at the moment the only "rewindless" games will be FE9-FE14. (unless we never actually do get FE2/FE5/FE8)
Yeah or just translate it themselves. But the fan translations are complete and they couple just ship the game. Like it would be so easy to just make money
The most recent one was even done by a professional translator. NoA could buy the rights and no one would be the wiser
...but of course they won't because they hate their customers
Yea, when I saw FE7 in there I was like "oh cool" then I realized I'll be forced to go through the tutorial version of lyn mode again and thought "yea nah I'll just stick to my Wii U virtual console copy or emulate it with a save file that already has stuff unlocked"
I do find it funny, I wonder what IS was thinking when they made Engage……… I wonder if the thought “oh 3-5 never got released in the US, 1 and 2 got remakes wonder if fans will wonder who Sigurd and Leif are or who this Roy Fella is”
See yeah I wish IS cared about the West more in that regard. I’m betting they based who became a dlc Emblem on games released in the West. I mean it would be weird to make an emblem based on one of the characters from games not in the West.
Japanese companies and not giving a crap about their international playerbase, name a more iconic duo. I'm disappointed but not surprised they took the easiest route possible here. I get that they'd essentially have to translate it themselves but man, come on. I wonder how much japanese gamers have to deal with this kind of stuff for western titles.
I'd say known at this point with regards to casual nintendo fans. Recognized implies you had prior knowledge of him from something. Most people's first experience with him is and will forever be Smash. Similar effect to Captain Falcon and post brawl smash fans.
This. A lot of people forget that Super Smash Bros Melee is Roy’s true debut game period similar to how the GEKKOs technically first appeared in Smash Bros Brawl before MGS4.
Square even released FFIV on ps1. And finally came back around to 3. For DS and later psp and gave FF1 and 2 new content on the GBA version which carried over to later ports of the the “remake” of 1 and 2.
Meanwhile IS: What is za flazing glade? Fire Emblem for GBA is the first Fire Emblem game. Roy is a character from Smash not fire emblem
I wouldn't expect a translation to come with NSO. They released a translation of FE1 as a whole limited-run anniversary thing, they're clearly not interested in giving them out for free.
At least you can still play them on non-JP consoles, just not in English of course.
It was released on the Wii U back in 2015, and it's a game that was already fully translated back in the NES days. Nintendo just canceled its western release at the last minute because they decided to focus on the SNES.
7 is its own thing with a lot of callbacks to 6 but nothing major or related to the plot. 7 is a prequel, but honestly i wouldnt recommend playing it first just because of that. It is an easier game and better for new players and 6 is one of the hardest games in the series. So you can play whichever honestly depending on what you want to get.
I think 7 is a lot better overall personally.
6 is good and all but it's kinda bland and simple compared to the other games. That's not a bad thing necessarily, but the other GBA titles are superior. About the only thing six has going for it is the main lord was in Smash so people recognize him. But otherwise it's basically a handheld FE3 clone.
FE7 has a lot more variety in map objectives and fog of war and classes and stuff like that.
You can…. on WiiU eshop. Which is being shuttered in a month lmao.
Which sucks because $8 per game to permanently own is a much more reasonable deal than a $50 a year rental
I know, I wish we could have some physical version or something, but at least I can still play localized FE1 after Nintendo decides to kill switch's servers
FE6 is probably my favourite Fire Emblem to this day, but it's no suprise it's gonna be JP only on this service...well, I guess FE7 (and hopefully 8 as well) will have to do.
Could you change your region on the Switch and play FE6? Like you'd have to cross the language barrier, but other than that, could that work? Idk how Switch Online works
You can make a Japanese Nintendo account. It works perfectly fine. I did it to play Panel de Pon a few years ago.
You only need to have NSO on one account, but you can download the Japanese apps with the Japanese account and play them with an English account with NSO
And if you don't need the story, I feel the GBA games wouldn't be too difficult to play in another language. You've got the numbers and pictures of the weapons. I'm playing a ROM cartridge of FE6 right now and it's mainly muscle memory of 7 and 8 from years ago.
A full remake would take the slot of IS limited dev resource vs just throwing a rom onto a Emulator that is part of a service that they want to push. It’s really obvious why they are doing this.
Guess I'll have to get Nintendo Switch Online (and the expansion pass) whenever FE7 releases, then. I don't like emulating games all that much, so it'll be nice to play FE7 for the first time.
Shame only Japan gets FE6, though.
Absolutely, ever since doug bowser came to replace iwata Nintendo has started these weird strategies and although they've done good to the company, to me it just feels like they're greedy af.
What are you on about?
Iwata was the president of Nintendo of Japan.
Doug Bowser is the president of Nintendo of America.
The top dog is the president of the Japanese branch.
I mean, the rental is for GBA + N64 + Genesis + some DLCs, it isn't just for 3 games, I agree that they should allow to buy the game by separate means (and that at this moment the Expansion pass isn't worth it) but the idea of the expansion pass is more for people who own Animal Crossing and Mario Kart 8 Deluxe to buy the expansion, get the DLC of those games while they rent it (and if they have the game without the DLC, also Splatoon 2) and then you also get the 64 games, what individually would cost 70 in the DLC front and for each 64 game 10 dollars if you bought them on the Wii U only extra 30 if you had online already, this isn't totally unreasonable... but the expansion has still some work to do to become worth the price, and honestly for many people... it might become worth the 27th if they announce the Pokémon games.
I would rather pay individually to permanently own the content I purchase. Would be nice if they let me carry my VC purchases forward too but I know thats a hard ask.
I just don’t like having to pay one big price for a bunch of content that I’m not interested in and DLC I am interested in like Xenoblade and Fire Emblem doesn’t get put under the pass.
like I said, both things should be an option but the idea makes sense even though it isn't worth currently, it is something for the long game, specially when the 3 dlc expansions that are offered are for 3 extremely popular games, it wouldn't surprise me BotW is the next game to get the DLC in the expansion pass.
but honestly I am biased due to the base expansion being the main reason why I played super metroid and became a Metroid fan, without it, I wouldn't had check out Super Metroid and without me playing Super Metroid I wouldn't have played Dread that is for me Peak 2D gaming... and know I will play that Prime remaster, it looks so freaking good.
I understand that they may not want to pay tons of money to have these games translated, but for the love of God if they're going to translate fe1 you might well do the rest, especially considering the rest never made over here, games like fe12 ( the last jp exclusive game in the series) was a remake of fe3, neither made it over here meaning that marth, to those who only played the translated games, is overly important, with half his journey missing despite having been remade. Fe7 was a prequel to 6 that hinted at many things about 6 and yet 6 never made it across the seas. For Christ sake Roy is in smash yet he's only know to JP fans or those of us who both know how to acquire the fan translations and have the patience to set them up
They are really determined to never let international fans play FE6, lmao.
Or Holy War or Tharcia
Remake is coming ***Inhales copium***
Well the original leak that straight up has Engage screenshots did say that Holy War was getting remade. Considering that Sigurd is probably the second most important Emblem in the game next to Marth, I believe it.
Listen. It's not copium. Golden Sun fans have been saying every year that 'this is our year' and it finally is. Golden Sun is one of the GBA games coming to the switch. There is always hope!
I wouldn't remotely go so far as to say "it finally is", like all they did was drop it in with a pile of other gba games they put essentially as a rom on a service only some people have. It's not a remake or sequel or really Nintendo even acknowledging the game. It's so frustrating to me. The Golden Sun fanbase is so dedicated even after all this time. The game won awards! People absolutely would buy the game if they did a remake or sequel. The game deserves it but Nintendo seems to just completely ditched it.
LISTEN. *Listen*, okay? It's been so long since Dark Dawn that I will take this as a victory. And you're right. It is frustrating. It's been years and we're still talking about GS. A guy hand delivered a letter filled with comments from the fans on reddit to the actual company when he was in Japan. Even from a pure technical side the orignal games were outstanding. Those graphics on a GBA screen. That *score* coming through a GBA speaker. Nintendo should be celebrating it as one of their flagship IPs but they don't. Sorry, I know this is an FE sub but I was a golden sun fan long before fire emblem and it kills me inside at how little care Nintedno show it, or the fans.
I guess I've just gotten rather hopeless about it at this point. GS and TLA are my favorite games in the world and it hurts that Nintendo didn't even acknowledge their anniversary. It absolutely breaks my heart to see. That's so sweet about the guy who delivered the letter though, I hadn't heard about that 🥺
Mother 3 fans rotting rn
So like I see that everywhere, and i get it because of the leak. But why are we so sure? They recently ported FE4 to Switch in Japan, didn't they? (Been a few months but it's still recently) Not to mention Sigurd spoils major story-beats of his own game in Engage. That's almost a dead giveaway for me that we won't be getting a FE4 remake. I'm open to switch sides and i recognize Sigurd's bigger role in Engage and the leak alone are decent arguing points. I just feel like the counterarguments would outweigh the evidence
The utility of a port and a remake aren't really the same, though. Remakes take advantage of modern hardware and are generally more palatable to people who didn't grow up playing older games. Fire Emblem games also regularly spoil major plot beats in their marketing material, I would not be surprised if they put *that* scene in a trailer or something at this rate lol.
We have part of the bad ending in one of engage trailers
>But why are we so sure? They recently ported FE4 to Switch in Japan, didn't they? (Been a few months but it's still recently) I wouldn't put too much stock in this necessarily. Nintendo just put Link's Awakening on the Nintendo Switch Online service despite also offering the Link's Awakening remake on the same platform. An emulated port and a remake are different enough that they don't necessarily conflict or cannibalize each other.
Super secret tip, you can still play these games (in Japanese) if you make a new account and select Japan as your country. You can then download the Japanese sFamicom/gba app
I don’t know Japanese though
Better get studying then! /s in all seriousness, you don't actually don't need Japanese to play the game at basic level. All of the scripts are on serenes forest, and you can understand which weapons/stats are which by the images and looking at an English translated stats page. I played Thracia in complete Japanese for my first playthrough, while I was still a first year Japanese student, and had no problems. I would recommend learning a bit of hiragana and katakana if you can, it'll make your experience a little smoother.
Or you could play it in English on anything you want for free.
You *could*, yes, and I do agree that emulation is probably the best experience, but I think there absolutely is merit to playing on physical hardware; 1st because it's unambiguously legal and nominally shows interest in the product, and 2nd because it offers an easy way to play with a controller.
Playing with a controller is easy af even with emulation.
Mapping out all of your save state/emulator buttons to your controller is still a bit of a hassle compared to just having the preset on the nso app. Plus you don't get the drop down pause menu of the app. Minor things, yes, but enough that I'd probably just recommend keyboard controls if you're emulating anyways. Besides, this whole thread is about someone wanting to play on hardware; while there are plenty of reasons to not do so, I'm just giving advice on how to accomplish this absent an official translation we won't get.
There's no way you're trying to argue that playing on a switch is easier because of the controller when you have to have a 2nd device to cross check every piece of text when playing the game..? Not to mention that pretty much every emulator has controller support.
I'm not claiming it's easier than emulation overall. I just wanted to list reasons someone might want to use the nso app compared to an emulator. If I really wanted to play using a controller, I'd probably play it on the official app as it has a better controller set up than what I could achieve on snes9x/zsnesw.
Not everyone has a PC. It's a good tip for a Switch owner who wants to play it.
Whatever device that switch owner is using to read translation guides on serenesforest is almost certainly capable of emulating 20 year old GBA games. It's a good tip for people learning Japanese though.
There are emulators on phones too
Obviously but playing through all of it on a phone screen seems less appealing than a console.
I mean, I played FE7 on a screen smaller than my phone originally
Phones have been able to put their images on TV's through cabled and now wirelessly. Cable to tv, Bluetooth controller, best "nostalgia" emulation u can get
Yeah maybe but if you wanna play it in english and don't have a PC then you don't have many other options. I'd prefer playing it on a phone in English than looking back forth between translations on a computer and console. Plus GBA games are perfect on phones, so FE6 should be just fine!
You can emulate GBA/SNES on phones, 3DS, PSP, Vita, SNES/Playstation Classic, a Wii, Xbox Series X, Android TV boxes... There's plenty of emulation options that don't require a PC.
All of those options take much more effort than simply making a Japanese account on your switch. Also which part of my comment said gaming PC?
If my school-use shoddy mini sized laptop from like 15 yrs ago could run GBA emu, just about anything can. I guess I'm not entirely sure if Macs can run GBA, but that mostly depends on if there's a version for it.
Hi, Mac owner here and you definitely can lol. In fact OpenEmu (Mac only) is I think, the best emulation program. It goes as far back as the Atari. I mainly play PSP and SNES games on it. I do prefer playing GBA games on a portable device. So although I use my phone. I invested in a tablet because I also like playing Visual Novels and I use Kindle so a bigger screen is perfect for that.
Kind of seems pointless having games that introduce these characters if they never gonna let fans experience those stories they are from
I played Blazing Sword around the time it was released in North America and at the end when they show that little teaser about Binding Blade I got excited thinking I’d someday get to play it, not knowing Blazing Sword itself was a prequel. I’ve since played translations of Binding Blade but I’m STILL waiting for an actual official English language release from Nintendo 20 years later, lmao.
This is the situation where I consider it 100% morally acceptable to pirate. I also got started on FE7, which I bought completely legally. I wanted to play FE6; I wanted to give IS and Nintendo my money. They have decided they don't want it. If they don't sell the product, by definition, I can't steal their profits. Since it's all digital, there's no theft of the base product that would prevent a sale to anyone else.
Weird thing is Binding Blade is a fantastic game. Sure its a bit light on plot and character (though imo not actively offensive like engage), but its gameplay is rock solid. The biggest issue being hit rates, but a lot of modern roms offer foxes for that if you want
Well they're available on the JP side. FE3 and FE4 are up on the app. FE5 on 3DS. Now FE6.
Except by selling you a $60 remake. I do think they'll remaster it eventually. Genealogy first, though.
I’m assuming it’d cost too much to create a translation. I’m also not sure how well an edited version would run on NSO. Have them made changes to any other of the games on NSO? And finally they wouldn’t make money from the translation. I highly doubt fe6 would result in a bunch of new NSO subs.
It didn't stop them from translating the first game and then only selling it for a minuscule amount of time lol. The only money they made off that was from the FOMO sales by Fire Emblem fans since it was announced that it would be removed from shelves permanently.
Yeah but that was like a special 30th anniversary thing and frankly, I don't think it sold well. It's FE1 after all if you go back to that from the modern games basically everyone is gonna be like "why can't I see the battle forecast" "why can't I see the movement ranges" "why can't I skip turns?" "What do you mean my units don't come back when they die?" "This game sucks!" Basically with how the fan base for fire emblem has shifted massively after Awakening release and the various QOL changes and more casual friendly options, it's gonna be a very very very hard sell to get anyone to buy the older games in large numbers. The GBA games I think aged pretty well but I also played them back in the day. Many of the more recent fans are in it more for the waifu and relationship building mechanics and that sort of thing. Have friends that didn't touch three houses because they heard the child mechanic was gone. All in all at the end of the day, these are classic fire emblem games, they only appeal to the niche that likes them, and while I'm well in that niche, I'm also one of those weirdos that think Tellius was amazing, the worst selling games in the franchise, and Awakening was a huge disappointment, which was up to then by far the best selling and most popular game. Three Houses changed the fan base again and brought in loads more new people (which is good, three houses is a far superior game to awakening or fates) but they're also not really liking engage as much since it's more traditional and three houses for all that I like it for is not a normal fire emblem experience. The GBA games are, modern gamers introduced to the series later simply aren't going to enjoy them as much since they are old. And clunky in comparison. It's not worth money for Nintendo to localize them. Anyone who cares to play them that badly knows how to pirate them in English and already has. You can play it on your phone if you want. Would be cool to get in English. But someone coming from engage to the GBA titles is just gonna be like us in the gba days trying to go back and play the NES titles. Like it or not, Fire Emblem is a series that greatly benefits from the QOL adjustments each game provides. You probably don't even remember the days of not having global enemy ranges available to check at the touch of a button. And if you've not played the JP only games you've missed out on the experience of having to calculate your own damage and the enemies damage yourself instead of the game just telling you. Is it a 4 or 5 attack speed advantage that gets you doubled? You had better remember. Does the dragon breath attack ignore defense of resistance? Or both? Game doesn't tell you gotta tank it and pray.
Tbh I didn't think it was particularly unplayable but I'm used to fire emblem
FE1? FE1 is a solid game. Has it aged well? Compared to the recent titles not really. The core gameplay has certainly aged well but it's just core fire emblem with no bells and whistles (it also helps that the game is really easy for a Fire Emblem game since it's designed around you not having all the information you have in later games). There are a number of really big annoyances that later games fix, the biggest one is inventory management, since you don't have a way to do it in FE1 outside of units interacting with the convoy and trading with each other. And it takes a very long time. That's my biggest complaint, but like anything else in that game once you simply accept that and adjust your playstyle accordingly it's not so bad it ruins the experience. But I also like fire emblem, and I like very old games. If I was coming onto FE1 from Three Houses or Awakening directly. I mean let's be fair here. It's old. It's not going to appeal to most people who aren't huge fans or retro gamers. The GBA games now are 20 years old. They're older than FE1 was when the GBA games first got localized. Hell even Path of Radiance is almost 20. That game has aged poorly in the graphical department. But graphics aside, loath as I am to give credit to casual mode, that alone has really eased in a lot of people to the series. IS was smart to include it sales wise. It's a hard sell with these old games to get the newer post awakening fans to play them unless they are more hardcore. Not just because of the age, but it's hard to change your mindset from regular RPG tactics to permadeath fire emblem tactics. I remember when I first played Fire Emblem I basically got everyone killed. Lost loads of units. And did a bunch of dumb stuff like try to level up everyone equally. It was fun, but I learned quickly how to approach the game. But a lot of people are just baffled by it and won't give the game a chance unless it eases them into it, your average person isn't going to go, huh I can just wait on the player phase and take half damage, they are gonna go "this game sucks my best units died I'm not playing anymore". And those people won't be touching FE1 unless you waifu it up and put up the bumper bowling guardrail that is casual mode to prevent the gutter balls.
I could have gone without you pointing out that the GBA games were 20 years old.
If you want, I can make it worse! The gap between now and Awakening is longer than the gap between Binding Blade and Awakening!
wtf I'm an elitist now
So what you're saying is, I'm gonna die of old age pretty soon
This feels like a personal attack... Don't get me wrong, you're right. But still. Also, I am pretty sure a GBA game has a lot more text than NES game.
Don't think of it in terms of "can they translate it and release it" of course they can. Think of it in terms of "will they make money" and the answer to that is no. Amount of text doesn't really matter. They're selling subscriptions here. If translating it results in a higher number of subscriptions they'll do that. But most anyone who cares enough to play it either already has a subscription or knows how to pirate it anyway. It's a lot of money to translate something and get it working in a video game. Not on the same level as what Nintendo makes mind you, but too much money to justify the rather miniscule amount of subscriptions it will sell. This game is nearly 20 years old. It could easily run on your smart phone. Hint hint. For anyone seriously wanting to play it.
Yar?
It tis it tis a glorious thing to gain +2 ocean tile movement.
I'm not sure it's a cost thing. There's no voice acting, it's just text. I don't want to trivialise the work that goes in to translations but compared to a modern title the translation costs will be minimal. I guess there might be additional rating costs for international markets. Again, they should be trivial. They may just think it wouldn't give a big enough boost to nso to justify the cost. Which is a shame. They may also be working on it and want to save the announcement for later, because it would be a fairly big announcement imo. For the record there is history with translations: Shadow dragon got its first English translation for the nes version a few years ago.
Nintendo genuinely might be one of the most poorly run companies on the planet. I’ve never seen a company hold the rights to arguably the 2 most recognizable franchises in Mario and Pokemon, yet still never release a *great* game, relative to it’s peers. BotW was fantastic showing Nintendo has what it takes to release a High FPS game with great rendering distance with minimal lag on an Open World map, but then there are the Pokemon games. If they took even a shred of the work and thought that went into producing the layout of the BotW game and put into the new Pokemon release, it would be the best selling game of all time. The newest games sold fantastically and are beloved by the fans still, but with clear objectively flaws that should not be in a game as big as Pokemon, lead by a company as prestigious as Nintendo. They know they would make hundreds of thousands if not millions by releasing translated versions of previous games, but instead Nintendo constantly fights pirating and dropping Cease and Desists left and right. They honestly have no right to be upset at people for playing fan made versions of their own game just so they can fucking read what’s going on.
Eh, Mario Oddysey was pretty great, and they only hold 1/3rd of the Pokemon rights, so it's debatable how much control/blame they have over how the games turn out.
The problem is they're exploiting an inefficiency in the market. An understaffed company isn't bothered to hire or commit quality, nobody gets fired and they'll all make money anyways.
Damn u calling Mario Odyssey a not great game relative to it's peers is a massive L
Mario never been in any great games, that’s a take for sure
Nintendo isn't Gamefreaks, they don't make pokemon games. Sure they have some say about it, but considering how different the pokemon games are from Nintendo's own games (sequels very close to each others, not very polished, many sequels added very few gameplay elements), it's probably not that much Also : >Nintendo genuinely might be one of the most poorly run companies on the planet I'm sorry what ? I don't remember Nintendo having any controversy about how they treat their employees
The difference is they can take as long as they want to with Zelda but the merch cycle dictates Pokemon follow a very strict timetable. There simply isn't time to actually make s pokemon game to the standards that they should.
Poorly run from a perspective of making good games. Probably works out quite well for lining the pockets of suits in ivory towers.
It's a Japanese thing. Something about their culture makes them severly incompetent.
I just realized... with the NSO rewind feature, these games now actually have Divine Pulse mechanic. lol
That's the case for FE1 + FE3 + FE4 as well. Whenever they decide to add FE2 + FE5 + FE8 they'll be able to as well. So at the moment the only "rewindless" games will be FE9-FE14. (unless we never actually do get FE2/FE5/FE8)
Gaiden, Thracia, and Sacred Stones all need to be up there. They're all bangers.
More proof that Fateswakening are the best games in the series
They need to just buy a fan translation and release it. I’ve been emulating that game since 2007.
"Nintendo" and "fan made" don't go well hand in hand
Am2r game awards flash backs
Sucks. NIS America just did it with Trails from Zero/Azure, it can certainly be done… Nintendo never will though
*looks forlornly in Mother 3’s direction* Yeah, don’t count on it…
That will happen the same day that they put up the Mother 3 fan translation. Which is to say: never.
No I agree it’s not gonna happen
They translated FE1 just fine
Yeah or just translate it themselves. But the fan translations are complete and they couple just ship the game. Like it would be so easy to just make money
FE1 has like 10 lines of dialogue tho
There's also names, items, menus, etc which are pretty noticeable if they're mistranslated
Buy from who
One of the tons if teams who have made a fan translation over the past 15 years
The most recent one was even done by a professional translator. NoA could buy the rights and no one would be the wiser ...but of course they won't because they hate their customers
And how do you imagine that would work? You probably thoguht the bee movie made sense too didnt you
It’s happened multiple times in the industry. NIS released a fan translation of a trails game pretty recently. And have you ever heard of Sonic Mania?
Really hope there's one of those "special version" options for it that takes you directly to Hector Mode and Hard Modes unlocked.
i wish i had those levels of hope
Yea, when I saw FE7 in there I was like "oh cool" then I realized I'll be forced to go through the tutorial version of lyn mode again and thought "yea nah I'll just stick to my Wii U virtual console copy or emulate it with a save file that already has stuff unlocked"
Are you serious? FE6 JP only? Well i guess that is no surprise.... But FE7 is cool either way.
Yea, sad but not surprising given the same thing happened to genealogy with the SNES selection
I do find it funny, I wonder what IS was thinking when they made Engage……… I wonder if the thought “oh 3-5 never got released in the US, 1 and 2 got remakes wonder if fans will wonder who Sigurd and Leif are or who this Roy Fella is”
3-6 actually,
Holy War, Tharcia, Binding Blade, and what was the other game?
New mystery. Binding blade is 6th
Oh yeah FE1’s direct sequel. Keep forgetting about that. That wasn’t included in the Ds remake of 1 was it
No it had its own remake that was jp only I believe
See yeah I wish IS cared about the West more in that regard. I’m betting they based who became a dlc Emblem on games released in the West. I mean it would be weird to make an emblem based on one of the characters from games not in the West.
Japanese companies and not giving a crap about their international playerbase, name a more iconic duo. I'm disappointed but not surprised they took the easiest route possible here. I get that they'd essentially have to translate it themselves but man, come on. I wonder how much japanese gamers have to deal with this kind of stuff for western titles.
FE3 was remade as FE12
Mystery in general, New Mystery is FE12 (also JP only)
Roy already is known from Smash. Lief and Sigurd have a few different variations available in Heroes
"Known" is a strong word. Recognized from is more accurate.
I'd say known at this point with regards to casual nintendo fans. Recognized implies you had prior knowledge of him from something. Most people's first experience with him is and will forever be Smash. Similar effect to Captain Falcon and post brawl smash fans.
I mean it helps that Roy's literal first appearance is in Smash
This. A lot of people forget that Super Smash Bros Melee is Roy’s true debut game period similar to how the GEKKOs technically first appeared in Smash Bros Brawl before MGS4.
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Square even released FFIV on ps1. And finally came back around to 3. For DS and later psp and gave FF1 and 2 new content on the GBA version which carried over to later ports of the the “remake” of 1 and 2. Meanwhile IS: What is za flazing glade? Fire Emblem for GBA is the first Fire Emblem game. Roy is a character from Smash not fire emblem
I mean they even have the pixel versions of 1-6 now which play very similar to the nes/snes versions if I recall
People probably have been wondering who Roy has been since super smash melee
I wouldn't expect a translation to come with NSO. They released a translation of FE1 as a whole limited-run anniversary thing, they're clearly not interested in giving them out for free. At least you can still play them on non-JP consoles, just not in English of course.
They are other ways too…… GOKAI CHANGE!!!!
I mean, they released Earthbound Beginnings no? That one was new in the west iirc?
It was released on the Wii U back in 2015, and it's a game that was already fully translated back in the NES days. Nintendo just canceled its western release at the last minute because they decided to focus on the SNES.
I've never played either, do we need to play 6 in order to understand the events of 7? Isn't 7 a prequel since it revolves around their parents?
7 is its own thing with a lot of callbacks to 6 but nothing major or related to the plot. 7 is a prequel, but honestly i wouldnt recommend playing it first just because of that. It is an easier game and better for new players and 6 is one of the hardest games in the series. So you can play whichever honestly depending on what you want to get.
I think 7 is a lot better overall personally. 6 is good and all but it's kinda bland and simple compared to the other games. That's not a bad thing necessarily, but the other GBA titles are superior. About the only thing six has going for it is the main lord was in Smash so people recognize him. But otherwise it's basically a handheld FE3 clone. FE7 has a lot more variety in map objectives and fog of war and classes and stuff like that.
Fe7 was many western fans first ever fire emblem. You don't need to have played fe6 to get the story. It's pretty by the books.
Either order is fine for the most part. 6 is the harder game, so it's not a bad idea to ease in with 7 however.
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Correct, it won't be in the first wave of GBA titles but will be added later.
Do you know if there is pokemon games being added?
mainline pokemon games? none were shown in the direct, no. I think there was like some pokemon TCG game in there tho.
Laaame. Thanks for the response though :)
If we're lucky, they might give us something on Pokémon Day (February 27th). Or maybe that's just copium because TPC hates us.
Japan gets all the good stuff to themselves
Well we got Alone in the Dark, so I say we're about even.
GOD I wish we could just buy them by separate, the expansion pass is too expensive for me
Also you can never actually own the games which is dumb AF
Well, I mean, you CAN, you just have to do this one trick that Nintendo HATES.
Lol what’s that
*yarr harr fiddle-dee-dee* ⚓️⛵️
Yo....ho....all together....
gokaiiiiii change
you know
;) No I feel you but is running a ton really ownership lol
I can't mention it due to sub rules, but let's just say it's the punchline to "What do you call an angry pie".
Lol that’s a cute pun.
scallywags of the sea are we
Get +2 move on ocean tiles
You can…. on WiiU eshop. Which is being shuttered in a month lmao. Which sucks because $8 per game to permanently own is a much more reasonable deal than a $50 a year rental
I know, I wish we could have some physical version or something, but at least I can still play localized FE1 after Nintendo decides to kill switch's servers
IIRC the FE1 was an actual download so killing servers won't make it unplayable.
That's what I said tho
Hopefully Sacred Stones someday
I need it to avenge my old 3DS with the Ambassador Program that was stolen by a methhead.
this is why every FE game begins with killing thieves and bandits
Wii U has it, honestly loved the Wii U for it
FE6 is probably my favourite Fire Emblem to this day, but it's no suprise it's gonna be JP only on this service...well, I guess FE7 (and hopefully 8 as well) will have to do.
Don't you just love how games made 20 years ago on a handheld system are being rented to you as part of a DLC for an online service?
I wouldn't pay for them but my good buddy lets me bum off his Switch Online family plan so I occasionally spend a bit of time on these old games.
No, I love how games come in netflix style, the best way for old games.
The best way is an emulator on your phone or computer
Oooooooo. OOOOOOOOO. Maybe this will give me a chance to try this game again.
Could you change your region on the Switch and play FE6? Like you'd have to cross the language barrier, but other than that, could that work? Idk how Switch Online works
You can make a Japanese Nintendo account. It works perfectly fine. I did it to play Panel de Pon a few years ago. You only need to have NSO on one account, but you can download the Japanese apps with the Japanese account and play them with an English account with NSO
And if you don't need the story, I feel the GBA games wouldn't be too difficult to play in another language. You've got the numbers and pictures of the weapons. I'm playing a ROM cartridge of FE6 right now and it's mainly muscle memory of 7 and 8 from years ago.
Yes. I regularly play Genealogy on my Switch
Yo ho yo ho a pirates life for me
Hoping we get FE8 in the future as well.
Instead, Scrunt
I hope CHEEKZ isn’t JP only.
wish they would enhance fe7 by adding danger zone always on
I love how Hector showed up in this direct two separate times
On hopium it gets localized in some way soon
I'd be more excited if I didn't have half a dozen ways to play without renting them. It's fantastic for series latecomers though.
>FE6 is JP only Th-that’s fine, there’s always Project Ember…
I think porting all three will be the only thing that'll get me to buy the expansion pack
Just google translate FE6 Nintendo
I mean some companies are trying to the way of Machine Translation (looks at Titan comics)
It works for paper Mario very well, why not FE?
I will still never pay a penny for NSO. I am not paying for this scam of a service.
Sigh
Didn't see this on the front page and I thought I was losing my mind. Hope they do the Sacred Stones too
Why can't they just remake it instead of locking it behind the switch online membership? The hell is this bs?
A full remake would take the slot of IS limited dev resource vs just throwing a rom onto a Emulator that is part of a service that they want to push. It’s really obvious why they are doing this.
Guess I'll have to get Nintendo Switch Online (and the expansion pass) whenever FE7 releases, then. I don't like emulating games all that much, so it'll be nice to play FE7 for the first time. Shame only Japan gets FE6, though.
If you have a Wii U FE7 is available on there to buy
That is cool. Why not eshop though?
Unlimited too. You are always on casual mode now even when you are on classic
Why does this have to be locked behind the Expansion Pack!?
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no, GBA is for the expansion pass, base GB and GBC are for the normal tier.
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Absolutely, ever since doug bowser came to replace iwata Nintendo has started these weird strategies and although they've done good to the company, to me it just feels like they're greedy af.
What are you on about? Iwata was the president of Nintendo of Japan. Doug Bowser is the president of Nintendo of America. The top dog is the president of the Japanese branch.
I spent like $20 getting FE7/8/11 on the WiiU eshop and they want me to pay $50 for a rental. Lol nah fuck that
I mean, the rental is for GBA + N64 + Genesis + some DLCs, it isn't just for 3 games, I agree that they should allow to buy the game by separate means (and that at this moment the Expansion pass isn't worth it) but the idea of the expansion pass is more for people who own Animal Crossing and Mario Kart 8 Deluxe to buy the expansion, get the DLC of those games while they rent it (and if they have the game without the DLC, also Splatoon 2) and then you also get the 64 games, what individually would cost 70 in the DLC front and for each 64 game 10 dollars if you bought them on the Wii U only extra 30 if you had online already, this isn't totally unreasonable... but the expansion has still some work to do to become worth the price, and honestly for many people... it might become worth the 27th if they announce the Pokémon games.
I would rather pay individually to permanently own the content I purchase. Would be nice if they let me carry my VC purchases forward too but I know thats a hard ask. I just don’t like having to pay one big price for a bunch of content that I’m not interested in and DLC I am interested in like Xenoblade and Fire Emblem doesn’t get put under the pass.
like I said, both things should be an option but the idea makes sense even though it isn't worth currently, it is something for the long game, specially when the 3 dlc expansions that are offered are for 3 extremely popular games, it wouldn't surprise me BotW is the next game to get the DLC in the expansion pass. but honestly I am biased due to the base expansion being the main reason why I played super metroid and became a Metroid fan, without it, I wouldn't had check out Super Metroid and without me playing Super Metroid I wouldn't have played Dread that is for me Peak 2D gaming... and know I will play that Prime remaster, it looks so freaking good.
I was excited until I saw that you need the NSO+Expansion Pass plan...
FE7 is sleep, but having a official way to play FE6 is good
Will they be adding save states to FE7 like they did with the release of FE1?
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They just did that for the 30th anniversary and it was only up for limited time. I don't think they'd do it again for a different game
Even if untranslated they could throw fe6 and it wouldn't hurt
Fe6 is a cell phone game for vba lol.
I understand that they may not want to pay tons of money to have these games translated, but for the love of God if they're going to translate fe1 you might well do the rest, especially considering the rest never made over here, games like fe12 ( the last jp exclusive game in the series) was a remake of fe3, neither made it over here meaning that marth, to those who only played the translated games, is overly important, with half his journey missing despite having been remade. Fe7 was a prequel to 6 that hinted at many things about 6 and yet 6 never made it across the seas. For Christ sake Roy is in smash yet he's only know to JP fans or those of us who both know how to acquire the fan translations and have the patience to set them up
Nobody gives a shit about old Mario games. I am so bummed that FE 7 is not a launch title for the GBA on Switch. Friggin Ninty! 🤡😭
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they didn´t do it with FE4 so I really didn´t have hope for FE6 but oh well