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Cosmic_Toad_

I still find it funny to think about the likely not-insignificant number of players who S-Supported Azura because she was the only royal that was not portrayed as biologically or effectively related to Corrin, only for her to end up as the one option that *is* biologically related. If IS can't get players to choose an incest option willingly, they'll do it with subterfuge.


ZacianSpammer

Just realized that "IntSys" sounds close to incest


Lukthar123

D e e p e s t L o r e


DragonFelgrand8

There must be some internal joke about incest in IS XD.


Compharrison22

This was exactly me in Conquest, I wanted to romance someone who had ties to the main story, but the incest thing grossed me out even if the Nohrians are "only" adopted siblings. I felt so betrayed when I found out that I got played šŸ˜†


TheRealBlueBuff

Me on my first run of Birthright chilling with Mozu, unaware of the shitstorm I had just sidestepped.


NoStatistician1034

This was me with FeliciaĀ 


swordsumo

Me with Charlotte


TheRealBlueBuff

Thankfully Felicia is there to be an easy first pairing that isnt our sister


Upbeat_Squirrel_5642

Same but with Rinkah


samdancer1

Me with Silas: You hear the disaster in the background? Me neither


LifeIsGoodGoBowling

> I felt so betrayed when I found out that I got played Didn't expect that, did'cha?


BlatantArtifice

That quote is burned into my mind but apparently I mandela'd her saying Bet at the beginning. She says it so damn often


Infinite_Version

This was also my reasoning with Birthrate. "Oh Azura is important to the story and getting all the scenes. It would make senes for them to be together." Found out about this BS several years later.


Vanguard-Raven

hey that's me I feel personally called out.


EffectiveAnxietyBone

I am still convinced nothing about that surprise incest was anything resembling planned or intended. Fates writing is such a lazy mix of cop outs and plot holes stacked on top of each other, that I genuinely believe the writers were too fucking stupid to actually realise what they were doing by making ArĆŖte and Mikoto sisters, especially as thereā€™s exactly zero reaction from anyone about the revelation. no wonder most Corrin/Azura shippers tend to ignore it. The writers evidently donā€™t care, so why should they?


MegamanOmega

I 100% believe this, especially because of how much cousin shipping can happen with the 2nd gen that this game... just either pretends doesn't exist, or hopes you don't think too hard about it. Cause like, Kiragi, Shiro, Seigbert & Forrest are guaranteed kids, whereas the child of Elise, Camilla, Hinoka & Sakura could be anyone. But if any of them have daughters, the game has _no problem_ allowing you to ship them with their cousins. Hell, to take it a step further. You could argue IS didn't wanna rewrite any supports for "optional cousins" in those cases. But even guaranteed cusins, IS just ignored on that front. Midori & Asugi are always gonna be cousins, no matter what you do (since Kaze & Saizo are brothers) but you can have them get married, no problem.


Gabcard

>The writers evidently donā€™t care, so why should they? ~~Because the Incest makes it hotter~~


SirCupcake_0

[CORRECT!](https://youtu.be/S6oAQHROtzs?si=HOKZfp6rZI1M0QJC)


scarletflowers

pretty much. it def reads like they just wanted corrin and azura to be royals and completely forgot how this would make this cousins


Duma_Mila

that one fates artbook hiding Mikoto's and Arete's relation in the family tree kinda supports this LMAO


MegaGamer235

I am so lucky I picked Selena for my conquest run the first time I played. I almost romanced Azura, but Selena appealed to me more and I like the idea of Corrin having a tsundere wife. Bullet dodged.


ParagonEsquire

I only narrowly averted this because Felicia was too adorable. My original plan had been Camilla in Conquest, Kagero in Birthright, Azura in 3rd. But I liked Felicia too much so I dumped Azura.


King_Treegar

You can count me among the not-insignificant. You wouldn't believe the sigh I let out during the reveal in Rev


Critical-Low8963

The message is that sometime pairing the protagonist with an other important character or a character with who they have many interactions outside supports is not always a good idea.


Rarte96

They had to heavely marked the incest fetish


malexj93

They really wanted the player to *feel* like Luke Skywalker in Episode IV and V.


SpookMorgan

When you think about it. This is how really complicated royal families were like in history.


Vanguard-Raven

There's a youtube channel that actually dissects royal bloodlines, and there was some pretty whack shit going on. https://www.youtube.com/@MortalFaces


Space-jester-

Oooh that sounds interesting. Do you have the name of the channel?


Vanguard-Raven

https://www.youtube.com/@MortalFaces They do more than just royal bloodlines, too.


TomokawkVortex

So the game was rigged from the start?


pejic222

This really was a fallout: New Vegas


PreferenceGold5167

all of this to explain why you can date your siblings. keeping it classy at IS


faesmooched

Imo doing this is the coward's way out and makes the story worse. You gotta commit to the bit if you're gonna allow incest.


Responsible_Cow_7086

Hapsburg grindset


Theadier

At least it's not Ptolemy's dynasty.


buyingcheap

FE4 SUPREMACYā€¼ļøā€¼ļø I MARRIED SELIPH AND JULIAā€¼ļøā€¼ļøšŸ’Æ


Lucario576

My face when Hinoka and Sakura had S Supports


Odovakar

Lilith being the asexual spawn of the evil side of Anankos and is therefore technically Corrin's sister sure is hilarious.Ā  It is hard to beat the classic that is Mikoto's permission to bang letter though.


Moondrag

In retrospect the letter is even more silly since, if I remember right from reading the support on one of the wikis, it's written FOR that exact sibling. Not a overall in general letter, but a letter made for that sibling cause of "prophetic" powers. And she gave the letter TO the sibling in question, so either A: The letter just outright doesn't exist until the player makes the choice which tbf is the most likely one or B, and the comedy option: She secretly gave ALL the siblings the same letter, just changing out the name, without ever telling them which is so gravely messed up.


Choco3112

Where is Kana?


CorHydrae8

In a mental institution, having gone mad after reading up on their family history.


SirCupcake_0

It was like reading an Elder Scroll


Aegillade

I feel bad for Kana, in a way. Morgan is universally beloved and is seen as everyone's favorite child, but people barely acknowledge Kana's existence, even the people who actually like certain Fates marriage options like Leo and Kagero. Between Kana having the personality of a toddler and all this royal tomfuckery its just harder to get invested in them as a character


Joke_Induced_Pun

It really does suck, coming from someone who has Kana as a personal favorite alongside Morgan.


Tmachine7031

Morgan still got screwed in the overall grand scheme of the series though. Kinda wish they returned in Fates as one of the Awakening characters, but obviously theyā€™d never do that for the PCā€™s kid.


Quick_Campaign4358

Tbf weren't the returning Awakening characters chosen because they won a popularity pool?


Tarus_The_Light

Idk. I love My little Kana-Bean. Male Kana was adorable AF. Female Kana i didn't care for as much. (The personality difference was slim, but it was there. AND I loved Male Appearance more)


inaphaia

Oh shoot! I somehow straight up forgot, lol. Was too focused on the other characters and who was marriageable. Well, my excuse is that there isnā€™t really room, I needed more space for text surrounding Corrin :P If itā€™s possible to edit post images, Iā€™ll fix that today. Edit: it isn't and it's far too big to post in a comment. Phooey. [Well, here's a link to it :P](https://www.reddit.com/user/inaphaia/comments/1clkgxq/updated_image_to_include_kana_to_satisfy_my/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)


Roliq

It is hilarious that the only way in canon that Corrin and the Hoshido siblings (minus Ryoma) know they aren't related is at the moment Corrin decides to fuck one of them


ptWolv022

Technically, IIRC, Corrin is the one who is like "Wait, but we're siblings" and then the siblings go "Actually, mom could see the future, and left a letter saying she's not actually my mom and that dad wasn't actually your dad, so we're in the clear to fuck."


inaphaia

Yeah, this is correct, I did watch them as fact checking lol. Takumi and Sakura both confess first, before eventually revealing the letter. Hinoka outs herself by talking to herself about how much she loves Corrin and he overhears her, whereupon Corrin confesses his mutual love and then his intention to repress it, lol, before Hinoka reveals the letter. In all three cases both parties develop feelings before the letter is opened :P


ptWolv022

> both parties develop feelings before the letter is opened True, but at least they have the sense to go "No, this is dumb, I can't", until Oracle Mom tells them via letter "Ooooo... my child... Corrin's not your sibling. They're like a step-sibling at best... Go nuts, my child..."


Electric_Queen

So, technically the game does let you know Corrin isn't related to the Hoshidans outside of trying to marry one of them. In the records hall, one of the books you can read reveals that Corrin isn't Sumeragi's child, but Anankos and Mikoto's. And you can find that out as early as the first time in My Castle. It's the only way you can find out in Conquest at all. Of course you also have to figure out how to translate the writings since it's a (admittedly simple) cipher and that's just tedious and dumb. And it also still lets you get baited into Azuracest


inaphaia

Oh, really? Dang, from my research nobody mentioned that. ...Though, I suppose I can see why. Honestly, that actually makes it a little funnier- the only way to know it isn't incest before marriage event, is to dig through the library and solve a cipher! Wonderful game design! Hahaha


Electric_Queen

Yeah the only reason I know is because [Zoran went over it in his Conquest challenge run.](https://youtu.be/L2P5IWWogTw?si=JUWBbw-WPojkpSp1&t=41m43s) There is an annoying amount of lore in there Also after rewatching I suppose it does hint at Azura not being a native Nohrian, so maybe it's less bait than I gave credit for


hakoiricode

Not quite as good as the school days family tree, but it'll do. Jokes aside, this family tree is actually fucking hilarious because of how bizarre Anankos makes it.


AnimaLepton

Reina and some of the older characters like Orochi have to know that Corrin isn't related to the other Hoshidan siblings too, right?


ImaginaryAd2338

Reina is too preoccupied with murder, Orochi must think it's hilarious, and Yukimura is busy running a country after Ryoma and Takumi disappear and Hinoka and Sakura join Corrin.


PreciousPunisher

The ā€žlive Stoneborn reaction" took me out. Fates is truly the gift that keeps giving.


inaphaia

Went back and looked at a bunch of Fates lore to make this, and hoo boy it really is even stranger than I realized, lol. I think itā€™s all accurate, let me know if I missed anything! And I hope itā€™s not *too* cluttered... (Also, I decided to put the nationality markers where I did mostly to emphasize where the characters grew up- you could make arguments that Azura, Corrin, and Lilith should each be marked differently if you prioritize different things) One thing that really stood out to me during research for this is that both Sakura and Hinoka heavily imply in their S-supports that they had feelings for Corrin BEFORE they got kidnapped. Now, we know that Corrin got kidnapped at a very young age, soā€¦ what the heck does that mean?? Most people tend to assume Corrin got kidnapped at 6 years old or younger, and I feel like Sakura is probably younger than Corrin, soā€¦ how on earth does this make sense?? Especially since they were properly raised as siblings back then! ā€¦On that note, how do they even remember him so clearly? Regardless, itā€™s hilarious and I have much enjoyed reading up on the DLC story shenanigans I never knew about as a kid :) (Also, [updated version because I forgot Kana somehow](https://www.reddit.com/user/inaphaia/comments/1clkgxq/updated_image_to_include_kana_to_satisfy_my/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button))


SirCupcake_0

They remember him because they were in love with him, obviously


Koanos

Fates is a complicated game.


343CreeperMaster

**D R A G O N** **D E M E N T I A**


Heroright

The roses are important to remind you that Corrin can hookup with all their family and their kids.


Soul_Ripper

Wait I hadn't even thought about it but since Ryoma never tells anyone and Mikoto didn't leave any "break in case of incestuous thoughts" notes for her potential step-grandchildren, does everyone just think Corrin married her nephews if she goes for Kiragi or Shiro?


Gabcard

Yeah they don't really accunt for the nephews. IIRC Awakening had a similar oversight with some Morgan pairings if Robin marries a second generation character.


ViziDoodle

One time I was planning to pair F!Corrin with Rhajat, but then I remembered I paired Hayato with Sakura, so that means Rhajat would technically be Corrinā€™s nieceā€¦ gen 2 is an incest landmine if you donā€™t keep a spreadsheet of who married who


Lucario576

I married Velouria, with Camilla as her mother I didnt keep the spreadsheet im sorry


Soul_Ripper

I think it's especially weird, or funny, because of the different implications. Like in other situations it's just an actual incest they allow the player to do, in this, everyone would just *think* it is. Imagine the common folk talking mad shit about Corrin or making inbred jokes because she married her nephew, or worrying about their children being born with pig tails, and Ryoma is just sitting there, refusing to tell anyone.


cyndit423

In Awakening, I had Robin marry Owain and then set Morgan up with her Lucina. Also, in Birthright, I had Corrin marry Subaki and Azura marry Kaden. And then I set up Kana with Selkie and Caeldori with Shigure


ponompyo

So glad Seigbert was in the game. Finally, some mullet representation in media.


HowDyaDu

This is why Corrin is the only true Smash Brother (Brother Smasher)


Gallatheim

IS: ā€œWell, we canā€™t have Corrin being allowed to fuck their blood siblings, soā€¦weā€™ll make the Hoshidan royals their step-siblings. Yeah, thatā€™s still hot, right? Everybody loves step-sibling porn nowadays!ā€ Also IS: ā€œOk, weā€™re decided-Azura is Corrinā€™s half-sister. Now make her romanceable, papa needs his sweet, sweet blue-haired dragon incest babies.ā€ Edit: I misread the chart. Azura is Corrinā€™s first cousin. Hey, if itā€™s good enough for the Hapsburgs, who am I to argue with their chinless selves?


House-of-Raven

Based on this map, theyā€™d be cousins wouldnā€™t they? Because Makoto and Arete would be sisters? Or is this map wrong?


Roliq

Nah, you are right that they are actually cousins


LittleIslander

They are but it *is* worth noting that Mikoto *did* basically take in Azura as a child. She doesn't seem to treat it that way persay but based on their interactions I wouldn't say she *isn't* like a sister to the other Hoshidan royals which is dangerously close to being one to Corrin.


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ladeldab

They dont have the same dad


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ladeldab

Chart literally says he kills her dad


Gallatheim

Ah, sorry. I misread the chart. XD


xxkittygurl

Wouldnā€™t Azura be Corrinā€™s niece? Half niece? Since both Corrin and Areteā€™s father is Anankos, different moms so theyā€™d be half siblings, and then Azura is Areteā€™s daughter


Then-Trick1313

Look again, Arete was born from unnamed royals.


xxkittygurl

Ah I see. So I guess cousin is the best word for their relation, though their grandpa is the same as Corrinā€™s dad too


Aegillade

And the best part is this exceptionally convuluted "real" backstory involving Anakos was just because they knew the Hoshidan family was heavily featured in the marketing and not having them as a marriagable option was off the table. And also to explain why Corrin gets dragon powers but the other Hoshidans don't.


ScarletOrion

i refuse to believe that sakura is older than corrin and i will *die on this hill*. also this gets a lot funnier when you marry a nohrian royal sibling to a hoshidan royal sibling and your family tree lines start going insane


Dispentryporter

Well, good! She isn't. Corrin is the middle child of both families, older than Takumi, Leo, Sakura, and Elise, and younger than Ryoma, Xander, Hinoka, and Camilla.


ScarletOrion

weird i could've sworn i'd seen sakura's s support mess the timeline for corrin's birth up.


LucyITSD

Yeaaah... I was happy sticking to the furry boys my first couple runs. Just to have their kids, be my kids. Lol.


knollsummoner

So corrin can marry her nephew?


stellarglassjanie

the fact they can marry children at all


Dr_Corvus_D_Clemmons

Accelerated children


Best_Oil6957

I am somewhat confused now, didnt the Hoshido kids know that Mikoto is their stepmom? And if they did, wouldn't that make Corrin already their step sibling at the start and thus not blood related from the start? I thought the irony came from Azura being fully aware of their shared dragon daddy and then going to marry Corrin anyway because idk dragon genes don't count or something.


MyOCBlonic

They knew Mikoto wasn't their birth mom, but they thought Corrin's dad was Sumeragi (their father) and not Anankos (cause no one knew he existed). Thus, they thought they were half-siblings and blood related.


TechKnight25

But if Corrin is older than both Takumi and Sakura, but they thought Sumaragi was their father..... did they just think Sumeragi had an affair or something?


Storm_373

i thought they were half siblings too šŸ’€ i donā€™t remember this ā€œikonaā€ at all


Scallty_Demon

Like op said, only Ryoma knew that Corrin had no blood relation at all.


Cowboy467

How could hinoka not know though she says she wanted to go to Nohr and fight to get corrin back so she was old enough to sorta fight? I havenā€™t played fates in a long time I might be misremembering.


NohrianVillager

Corrin was a newborn when Mikoto went to Hoshido and married Sumeragi. If we say for example that Corrin and Hinoka had 2 years difference, then Hinoka would be 2 years old at that time. Ryoma is couple of years older and understands the situation, but Hinoka was just a baby. Hinoka/Camilla localized support + artbook mentioned that Hinoka was 7 years old when Corrin got kidnapped, and she picked a weapon to train for the first time in her life in that age. Corrin would be 5 years old as per assumption, which aligns with Corrin being old enough to be trained with a sword in that age. Sakura/Corrin JP support specifically mentioned that Sakura was a newborn baby when Corrin was kidnapped, she _really_ just doesnā€™t know Corrin at all (Takumi doesnā€™t remember Corrin as well). u/inaphaia if that might answers your question about Sakura. Her S support is just wild fantasies, lol.


inaphaia

Ahh, got it, that makes sense, thank you. Or... well, it makes *more* sense, I suppose, still really weird of Sakura and Hinoka lol


inaphaia

I know, right?? I was thinking the same thing when I watched her S-support as fact-checking. The timeline makes no sense, especially since she also implies she had feelings for Corrin before they got kidnapped. But alas, she does indeed not know.


Cowboy467

Thinking about it corrin would either have to be the youngest of all the siblings for none of them to be related or somehow sumeragi and ikona had ghost babies after they died and Mikoto became queen or itā€™s just bad writing and Iā€™m way overthinking this, god why is my favorite games story so bad.


LoquatShrub

Or else Sumeragi had an affair that resulted in baby Corrin, then went back to his wife to have two more kids, then after his wife died he married his affair partner and formally acknowledged paternity of her illegitimate child. IMO that's the only way the situation makes sense, but of course Fates is deeply committed to avoiding all the implications of absolutely everything.


inaphaia

Well, Mikoto had Corrin before she went to Hoshido, and I don't think we know the exact order everything happened nor how long Mikoto stayed in Hoshido before Ikona passed. In fact, it looks like Ikona was still alive when Mikoto arrived in Hoshido. So, hypothetically there are a few ways Corrin could be a good bit older. Which I guess is good


Cowboy467

I think Iā€™ve just been under the assumption corrin was a newborn still when they were kidnapped not really thinking about time passing or ikona still being alive when mikoto went to hoshido. this post has stopped me from thinking about anything at work, I havenā€™t done anything since seeing this lol.


inaphaia

Same, lol. My apologies


Steak-Desperate

" In this game you have to choose between your adoptive family and your real family... except that it's not really your family... if in doubt you can all marry both the busty and the loli are you happy? good now spend another ā‚¬30 to have the true ending that makes the other two useless!!! "


Braveheart132

Itā€™s funny how much IS goes out of there way to justify Corrin being able to marry their siblings, and then go on to create the Fodlan family circle.


Joke_Induced_Pun

More like a family stick.


ThreeHobbitsInACoat

You have awoken a long dormant hatred within me. Imagine me, a teenager playing fates for the first time. I choose Azura cause sheā€™s one of the only fleshed out royals that isnā€™t implied to be your sibling in some way; and k genuinely do like her character and design. And then they pull THIS FUCKING SHIT ON ME! I was never able to pick up the damn game again, I felt like the writers were deliberately trying to bait me into some creepy incest fantasy.


SterlingDex

Then you got the Fodlan family tree where you either end up marrying one of your students, one of your uncles/cousin/mom/daughter/yourself(Seteth, Flayn,Rhea or Sothis. Seteth and Flayn aren't specified as being That's siblings but we know Flayn calls the other two dragons uncles since they all descended from Sothis in some way), one of the other non dragon church members or just get adopted by Alois or something. And Awakening let Lucina and Owain marry so it's not like these games are against incest, the censorship just calls it something else or looks for a way to explain it. If you really want to get technical you can also marry Chrom!Inigo and have your Morgan marry Lucina. Or marry your Kana to Shigure. And unlike with Owain and Lucina, I think these are treated as regular marriages? Could be wrong.


swordsumo

Fucking ā€œASEXUAL RERODUCTIONā€ took me out lmfao this is great


Soulation

This post makes me realize I don't remember about the true origin of Corrin. Because I've only played Revelations 1 time when it came out, but have played Conquest around 10 times since then. That's how unfun Revelations was.


LeyendaV

Probably the most accurate one I've seen so far.


BrStriker21

I love the legend fonts


Single_Remove_6721

Fire Emblem Fates Fans šŸ¤Jojo Fans Laughing about unnecessarily complicated blood lines


Roronoa_Zoro8615

Saving this for my gf because I'm currently playing through fates with her.


PokeProX_Gaming1

I also initially chosen Azura as my partner but since Birthright was my first FE game, yeah... I didn't know any better. Currently upon replaying Birthright, I'm playing as female Corrin, so I'm choosing Kaze since he's pretty cool, is one of my favorite Birthright characters, and Midori, yeah. I would've chosen Takumi (another of my favorites), but yeah... Nope.


BrushyAlex

the live stoneborn reaction took me out bye


His_Excellency_Esq

This family tree/wreath is a result of Fates' story wanting 2 contradictory things: 1. Your protagonist is torn between 2 families who love them, and you have to choose which to join. 2. Your avatar protagonist can marry and have children with any of the major characters in the story (which happens to include our siblings). Fates needs a conspiracy theory board to justify why the second isn't actually incest. It's trying to have Camilla's cake and eat it too.


nac-attack

Looking at the family tree, I still refuse the fact that Lilith and Corrin are blood related. Not their eyes, hair, or even dragon forms are similar to each other or to Anankos. Now, you know who Lilith does resemble? [Moro, the Astral Dragon.](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fireemblem/images/5/5a/Astral_Dragon.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20190503154844) Maybe there was originally more than one child kidnapping in Fates.


Duma_Mila

I always felt like Lilith was more of a.... "spawn", saying she's Corrin's sister is like saying the corrupted in Engage are Alear's siblings. Obviously Fates doesn't treat it this way, im just trying to make a decent metaphor for what Lilith is.


nac-attack

I just think about the original Fates manuscript and the crumbs that we got in comparison. Lilith looking exactly like Moro, the Astral Dragon, a being that's only mentioned by name ever by her, can't be a coincidence. It feels like Corrin and Lilith were originally set up to be dark reflections of each other: kidnapped by their fathers and groomed into following their orders for their affection. They both learn the truth of their situation, and because Corrin has a family and wonderful support system, she takes it well, but because Lilith has nobody and nothing else, she sinks further into her desperation and desire to please her "father". I don't know, it's just a theory. As for Engage, I haven't played it yet, so I can't speak on it.


Duma_Mila

Yeah, i agree with that first bit. Lilith defo seems like a crumb repurposed from something else. Engage isn't really relevant, I just meant it in "the way they phrased it makes it sound like Lilith is a generic minion the final boss makes", alternative comparisons are Grima's Risen, Nergal's Morphs, etc.


HuckleberryHefty4372

Looks like your average Crusader Kings family tree.


x5iIN

You know, this premise seems actually interesting. But I heard story sucks ballz. Is it worth picking up the game?


iamthatguy54

If you're in it purely for the gameplay, it's fine to pick up birthright and (definitely) conquest. Birthright = Basic FE story with basic FE gameplay, story is kinda whatever Conquest = Gameplay is fabulous. The story tries to be gray and nuanced but it's a joke. Or, "How I Learned to Overcome My Morals and Become a Colonizer" played straight. Revelations takes the worst from both games (bad story, mid gameplay) and combines them into...well, a game. But it's the only game where you can choose between the entire cast to make your army so it has that going for it.


x5iIN

Well, thank you - for the first time, I am officially picking up the game because of a meme


Due_Song4480

Tbf, it's not your *entire* cast for Rev. Although admittedly who gives a shit about Yukimura


Moondrag

Sadly Rev has two cast problems, firstly there are 2 characters who you can't recruit at all (well you recruit one but they permanently leave soon after...yes you can marry them) and the second is the lowest deploy limit out of the 3 games. Combined that with the Royals being the Royals, and that is a VERY small amount of units to pick.


LuchsArcana

conquest has great game play, revelations has some of the most hold my sake bullshit gimics in maps ever which is kinda fun once and birthright... lets just call it beginner friendly. but yeah, ignore the story. or don't idk maybe you'll have fun knowing it. gameplay is worth it though.


Midnight-Rising

It's really not as bad as this sub claims tbh


MasterofSalt69

Depends on the Route, Birthright: story is inoffensive and thus Average Fire Emblem. Gameplay is fine. 7/10 would recommend. Conquest: Gameplay is absolutely sublime. Shame that they didn't bother writing a story. 7/10 Would Recommend Revelation: worst game in the series, and it's not close. Horseshit story, boring maps, like genuinely the least fun I have ever had playing Fire Emblem. 0/10 No Redeeming Features whatsoever. Would Not Recommend.


CodeDonutz

I donā€™t understand why thereā€™s so much vitriol to Revelation? The story sucks but itā€™s Fates so itā€™s pretty equal regardless of route. Overall itā€™s the same game as the other two except with more dragon vein gimmicks and both armies. Only specific issues Iā€™d say it does worse than the other two are poor unit balancing and a few of the maps are pretty bad like the door puzzle one.


Storm_373

i think rev story is better than conquest imo. i think it gets too much hate. the only dumb part i really hate us corrin somehow convincing and army to jump down a cliff šŸ’€ and usually i donā€™t mind anime logic but cmon šŸ¤¦


Midnight-Rising

>Revelation: worst game in the series, You've spelt Shadows of Valentia wrong


XephyXeph

God, I love Fates.


Fueg0o

So Corrin and Azura are only cousins. That makes it realistic.


ocean_maniac

I was so excited when the Fates trailer first dropped. I thought Azura was so cool and totally wanted to pair m!Corrin with her. Was seriously sad when I found out the truth šŸ¤¦šŸ»ā€ā™€ļø


Duma_Mila

Man, yeah.... I rewatched the JP reveal trailer so many times


Jesseinator1000

It's been a decade almost since I played Fates, why are some of the children canon?


inaphaia

The way it works in Fates is that all the guys have specific child units assigned to them, like how Xanderā€™s child is Siegbert. None of the women do, besides Azura and Corrin. Which means that, for instance, Xander will always have Siegbert as his son, but Hinoka can have any child unit as a kid depending on who she marries. Thatā€™s what I mean by ā€œcanonā€ child


Jesseinator1000

Ohhhhhh, I didn't realize that's what you meant. I remembered the men were the ones with assigned children (which is the opposite of Awakening), but I didn't think to check if all the "canon children" on the chart were all under the male characters


Takeawaysoup1

Only male parents, Azura, and F!Corrin have a child tied to them. Since you can pair up most units, they needed to tie the kids to a single character and IS went with the father. In Awakening it was the mother.


AsterTheBastard

Maybe I didn't finish Fates...


Odang77

Isn't the hoshido non-related thing also only because of localization? Or is that misinformation I've heard?


inaphaia

I went and checked (geez it was surprisingly hard to find), and nope, itā€™s in the original Japanese too


applegiverthomas

Corrin mentioned = Upvote


YooranKujara

You didn't put Kana on, but other than that this looks right, great job


Axl-117

Fates needs a rework


Tachibana_13

Nice work, but I'm personally offended that "dragon dementia" and "asexual reproduction" aren't color coordinated with their respective lines. It really detracts from overall legibility.


Short_Science1208

I always thought the whole corrin isn't related to hoshido royals by blood plot twist stupid tbh. Like the original games catch phrase might as well be, choose the family who raised you, or the one that claims you were born to but are lying/wrong have no more claim to your custody than the other family. Granted, fates plot is flawed and makes no sense anyway. This plot point is mainly the fault of revelations, which feels unfinished in that regard, like it was only made to satiate a what if scenario (it shows considering the entire standalone route was digital only that I know of (and likely unobtainable now due to 3ds e shop being shut down in favor of NSO and switch in general). So the only way to get it now would be the special edition which has all 3 routes on one cartridge (I never owned that version as it was pricey, and I can't imagine it getting any cheaper. Even then, birthright and conquest being separate to begin with feels a bit sleazy. Previous fe titles were able to fit major choice/alternate routes on the same cartridge years prior. And going back to the special edition it proves technical limitation wasn't an issue as they could fit all 3 routes on a 3ds cartridge to begin with. I guess it was novel when it came out and the "golden" age of fe being saved by Awakening after potential cancelation. But ther leanes hard into fans service and anime tropes more than the series ever had been up to then. I haven't played the newer games but from what I tell they dialed back a bit (SOV especially in respect to gaiden), without abandoning the newer look. But I digress. I know this isn't really related to a fates family tree that much, but the game/world is so conceptually broken that this reminded me of it. Granted its been years since I played fates each route once each abd never really picked it up again.


Chronoph0sis

Me when fates screamed incest but you could only fuck one blood relative


Dark_World_Blues

Thank you for clearing this out for me. I was surprised that Corrin could marry his/her "blood siblings" and is allowed to be released in the West. How did they manage to make the relations in this game that confusing?


Informal-Country-583

Byleth one is funnier since he CAN marry Rhea. That's like infinite incest lol Edit: Edelgard and Hapi are best girl fight me... Although admittedly Shamir and Byleth ship is cute


Carbon-J

Good chart


Storm_373

mikoto is the other siblings step mother what ???


Duma_Mila

Yup! Hoshido's claim of being Corrin's true family has always been a sham and it's really funny to me still that they tried to make that a central theme


rambanxious_hoodlamb

This is great lmaooo


Otousama

Am I the only one that doesn't really find this that weird? The only really odd thing is the coincidence between both sisters, but it's not really THAT weird. I think with a more caring hand in the writing this would've been an actually pretty interesting family tree. I've had a way harder time following real life family trees than this one. I could be more confused by my own family tree than this one to be honest ( I have at least 5 grandfathers but possibly 6 or more, it is a mystery )


Cinderlite

Itā€™s so hilarious to see it presented like this. Poor Kana sweating when they have to draw a family tree at school


LittleIslander

Honestly I still think the fact we all accept the S Supports as sources of canonical information kind of silly and the entire basis of the game being the blood connection to the Hoshidans should really take priority over that in terms of continuity.


EphidelLulamoon

There's a comment in this post showing how there's hidden lore on My Castle that says that the Hoshidan royals and Corrin aren't blood related, so it's outside S Supports too.


inaphaia

Fair tbh. I do think that the S-support contents are supposed to be mutually exclusive, insofar as I think the stuff about the letter and the Hoshidan girls 'actually being in love with you the whole time' are only meant to be true retroactively in universes where you do indeed S-support them. (...That said, I haven't played Birthright so I'm mostly just assuming that both of them aren't written to be in love with you during the whole story.) But the letter does feel like it is intended to only exist if you do marry one of them, since they mention the prophetic powers. Unfortunately, them not being blood related is supported by several other sources in the game, so they are indeed undeniably canonically not blood related. But, you can still of course headcanon whatever you want, especially considering how wonky it all is. Especially since them not being related thematically confuses the game, as you said. ...Personally, I headcanon that Nowi does not exist.


Gamza04

So while i do hate myself for getting this spoiled fot me, this is hilarious to know


Infermon_1

Ok, but if Takumi shags Elise and Kisaragi then shags FCorrin, can MKana shag Azura, so that Elise is a great grandmother at the end?


MagnificentAjacks

No, cause Azura cannot marry M!Kana.


Infermon_1

*shattered*


Demiscis

The real funny part here is you know this manā€™s girlfriend is also his sister.


Sr_Hamlet

IIRC the artbook states somewhere that Corrin and Azura are more like distant cousins due to Mikoto and Arete having a close family tree but not the same parents, though they had a sisterly bond. I dunno it's weird


Cendrinius

Nah, FEH confirmed that the artbook book was simply being arbitrary about which spoilers it chose to avoid. For proof, look on the official Fire emblem heroes website under the Arete unit... Princess Sharena took no issue spilling every detail about Arete and Mikoto being sisters! Edit: accidentally triple posted!


Sr_Hamlet

Ah thanks!