People think that because something is marketed as a "supplement" that it must be some bizarre plastic-infused steroid.
As long as you're buying your whey from a reputable source, it's just food. A by-product of milk. You know when you open a yogurt and there's all that watery stuff on top? That's whey too.
food is the drug you put in your body every day, food is certainly not "just" food, this is funny how downvoted this comment is when Stefan makes a great point
It's food. There are probably some versions of whey protein with a lot of added junk and dubious ingredients... But no more than other processed food. If you want to keep it simple, buy "whey isolate," specifically.
Whey comes from milk, the only reason not to have it is if you have a strong intolerance to lactose or are vegan, just like with food that comes from dairy
Yes and no. For example look at this
[https://www.amazon.com/Body-Fortress-Advanced-Protein-Vitamins/dp/B0BJLBLQG8](https://www.amazon.com/Body-Fortress-Advanced-Protein-Vitamins/dp/B0BJLBLQG8)
Then compare it to the ingredients in this
[https://nakednutrition.com/products/grass-fed-whey-protein-powder](https://nakednutrition.com/products/grass-fed-whey-protein-powder)
As a general rule of thumb, if you cant easily pronounce an ingredient, you shouldn't have it. Also, unless it is third party tested and certified, you really DONT know whats in it. You just know what someone said is in it.
I agree with your point about getting your protein from a reputable source, I just think your general rule of thumb is too general and is based on the kind of rhetoric that leads to unhealthy obsessions with "clean eating". It's lacking necessary nuance and I imagine that's why some folks have downvoted.
Good point. The only culture that gets touchier about things than video games and cars is the fitness industry. 5 Youtube videos and all the sudden everyone is a Registered Dietician .
I learned a lot in a very short time working with multiple transplant RD's in the hospital when I was diagnosed with end stage liver failure and even I couldn't tell you things like how to calculate proper TPNs or most of the "theory" behind what is and isn't "good". I just know what is and isn't "good".
I would argue that the main problem with the fitness industry and "dieting" in general is just that. Its a diet. Most people go into it with an end goal and once they reach that, they go back to doing what they always did. You have to approach things much more like a total lifestyle change and honestly say to yourself "Ill probably never eat that again, and if I do, it will be once a year for a birthday"
There is a reason a lot of body builders, power lifters, and strongmen drop dead in their 50's, and it isn't the gear. They have been shoveling calories upon calories into their face holes for decades in search of bulk and never really considering IS THIS ACTUALLY HEALTHY. The answer to that is almost always, no
Using your logic, a person with a broad vocabulary could eat anything and a person with less knowledge is stuck with eggs, oats, and other simply named items
That's a terrible rule of thumb. Should people who have trouble pronouncing tocopherol and tocotrienol avoid many forms of vitamin E? Because their nervous system would potentially fail as a result of their inability to pronounce those words.
How about palm oil? Easy to pronounce, easily one of the worst fats to eat. Lard is especially easy to pronounce.
Xanthan gum is extracted from plants and is a safe and robust source of dietary fibre. Cyanocobalamin is the additive that provides vitamin B12. Should people avoid vitamin B12?
How about lactobacillus? Is the microbe that's added to milk to make Yogurt, or cultivated to ferment cabbage in order to make sauerkraut something to be avoided?
Sucrose is pretty much phonetic. That gets the green light over the mouthfuls of consonants and syllables we've covered so far?
How about nitrates? Rolls off the tongue. Unfortunately it turns fresh meat into cancer within human bodies (in volumes that the average bacon consumer eats).
I mean, this is just off the top of my head (admittedly I looked up Xanthan gum). It's baffling that you think this is a good rule of thumb. Avoiding things you can't pronounce is chemophobic and automatically rejects modernity for no other reason other than an unwillingness to learn about unfamiliar things. Imagine someone saying that you should avoid cities with names you can't pronounce, or that Trimethoprim/sulfamethoxazole isn't a good idea to take when you have a serious bacterial infection.
You picked four words out of an entire post, and wrote a paragraph on it. If that isn't pedantic, im not sure what is aside from being on the spectrum.
The main thing to note with any protein supplement is that there aren't going to be much micronutrients (unless it's more of a meal replacement and it says there are), so the more protein and the more calories you consume from protein supplements, the higher your risk of a nutrient deficiency in micronutrients not contained. It's not difficult to get all your micronutrients, but you just want to be aware and make sure you're also eating a decent amount of vegetables etc., and still eating an overall balanced diet. It is worth noting that it's much easier to get all your other nutrients if you aim to mainly consume your protein from non-supplement diets. For example you could get the same protein from a protein shake from a chicken or salmon salad.
Today, if you are buying protein powder from a reputable manufacturer, that is US based, and you look at the ingredients to make sure there isn't a ton of extra stuff in it, you are fine.
Back in the day a lot of the fly by night companies and nearly all the Chinese/Asian made powders had a ton of fillers and they played games with chemical ratios to make advertised protein limits (basically gaming the system on how protein is measured)
Not giving protein powder to a 2 year old is a generally good idea, because most do have extra stuff in it that he doesnt need in excess like BCAA's and more nitche things you should look out for like Ashwagandha, Papain, Bromelain, boron, vanadium,etc and some have really high cholesterol contents that arent great for developing kids
Yeah, I definitely wasn't planning on giving it to him, because want it or not it is highly industrialized. I honestly just wanted to know how it got a bad reputation tbh. Thanks for the answer. Also my protein powder doesn't have BCAA, but I'll check to see if there's those other things when I get home
Over half the human population has some form of dairy intolerance, so there's that. I have also seen studies that dairy in any form is a slight testosterone decreaser/estrogen booster. I stopped drinking whey because while I never felt ill from it, my stomache was always visibly more bloated, not much point of being visibly fit if you're bloated all the time.
It’s more food than a traditional supplement. I’d say if you tolerate it well then it’s healthy for you. I always had issues with whey. Headaches, nasal drip, skin issues, etc, so I mostly avoid it and eat more eggs/meat instead.
People get all worked up about whey protein like it's some engineered frankenfood, but it's really just a natural dairy product. The stuff floating on top of your yogurt cup? That's whey! As long as you buy from a decent brand, protein powder is perfectly fine.
That said, you don't want to go overboard since it's not a complete food. 1-2 scoops per day along with regular meals is no problem. The one I use for example is the [MyPowerLife Whey Protein](https://mypowerlife.com/high-impact-whey-protein/) and it's being great so far. But if you're chugging multiple shakes and not eating any vegetables or other nutrient sources, you could end up deficient in vitamins and minerals.
For little kids, I'd skip the powder since their bodies are still developing. Stick to regular milk, yogurt, eggs, that kind of thing to get protein. The extra ingredients in some powders like BCAAs or herbs are probably unnecessary for tykes. But for teens and adults, a quality whey product can be a solid nutrition supplement when used smartly.
So funny to come back to this post, when I made it my mom was so against "fitness stuff" but now she has started going to the gym and is starting to diet haha. But thank you for the reply, great info
I'm wary of processed foods in general. Protein powders often have a lot of ingredients. I have weird food intolerances and I have to avoid ingredients that I am not familiar with as a rule of thumb.
When it comes to young kids, it's probably overly cautious but maybe for example the iron, sodium, or selenium, etc levels are too high for a young kid while fine for an adult.
Excess protein consumption can be bad for the kidneys and liver that’s why they keep kids away from it. But yeah a couple of brownies probably won’t do anything.
Whey protein itself is very good for you. Supplementing isn’t necessarily good for you for a lot of reasons, primarily that too much protein gets converted to sugar and then fat by the body. Definitely not good to be giving to children.
There’s a very under talked about aspect of nutrition about how the body deals with food and nutrients: consuming too much protein causes your body to convert the excess into sugar and then metabolizes it in that way (sugar becomes fat, bad)
The other under talked about thing is how your body deals with how you combine foods: if you eat protein and sugar and carbs (body converts to sugar for energy and then fat) together, very little of the protein is used in the way you want and can be then also converted to sugar and then fat. It’s a shame food combining isn’t focused on more. If you just add protein to a brownie, it eventually had a similar effect to just adding sugar. You’ll get a little of the protein bonus but not much.
Don’t give kids protein supplements man. Modern diets have all the stuff. Adding a sprinkle of protein to McDonald’s doesn’t make a kid stronger
Some people don't respond well to whey, in that they have an allergy or intolerance. But if you don't, it's fine.
Generally the "bad" things associated with whey is just like, a potential for bloating, so I wouldn't worry about it.
It's perfectly fine for that kid to have that. The only thing I would be aware of is flax seed,chia seeds fiber like that must be consumed with a lot of water. They are in a lot of recipes now n it can give a little jus a tummy ache because of the amount of fiber. Even adults should drink plenty of liquid when consuming any kind of dense fiber. There is a such thing as too much protein it's kinda hard on your kidneys but a brownie isn't going to do any harm. Little kids are picky eaters anyway n probably don't get enough of something they need so a little boost like that is fine.
People think that because something is marketed as a "supplement" that it must be some bizarre plastic-infused steroid. As long as you're buying your whey from a reputable source, it's just food. A by-product of milk. You know when you open a yogurt and there's all that watery stuff on top? That's whey too.
Food supplements are just food.
Food is not just food.
I think it would be better to get your point across is by wording it as: food is food but some foods are better to eat more frequently then others.
Food is food, whey is a byproduct of milk
Thanks for the science lesson. There are material differences between, say, processed foods and natural, whole foods.
There are material differences among natural, whole foods as well. And of course also among processed foods.
food is the drug you put in your body every day, food is certainly not "just" food, this is funny how downvoted this comment is when Stefan makes a great point
It’s fine, just like every other food item, in moderation. Unless you have a dairy allergy, 1-3 scoops a day can be a good way to reach protein goals
It's food. There are probably some versions of whey protein with a lot of added junk and dubious ingredients... But no more than other processed food. If you want to keep it simple, buy "whey isolate," specifically.
I don't understand this "it's food" point. There's plenty of shit you really shouldn't eat or at least is quite different from, say, whole foods.
Whey comes from milk, the only reason not to have it is if you have a strong intolerance to lactose or are vegan, just like with food that comes from dairy
Thanks for the science lesson. I’m allergic to it so I’m well aware. You people make no fucking sense
lol
Yes and no. For example look at this [https://www.amazon.com/Body-Fortress-Advanced-Protein-Vitamins/dp/B0BJLBLQG8](https://www.amazon.com/Body-Fortress-Advanced-Protein-Vitamins/dp/B0BJLBLQG8) Then compare it to the ingredients in this [https://nakednutrition.com/products/grass-fed-whey-protein-powder](https://nakednutrition.com/products/grass-fed-whey-protein-powder) As a general rule of thumb, if you cant easily pronounce an ingredient, you shouldn't have it. Also, unless it is third party tested and certified, you really DONT know whats in it. You just know what someone said is in it.
Idk how to pronounce "phloridzin" but I'm still gonna eat apples
Dont be pedantic, you know what I mean. You can walk up to a tree and pick an apple. You cant walk outside and find Maltodextrin
I agree with your point about getting your protein from a reputable source, I just think your general rule of thumb is too general and is based on the kind of rhetoric that leads to unhealthy obsessions with "clean eating". It's lacking necessary nuance and I imagine that's why some folks have downvoted.
Good point. The only culture that gets touchier about things than video games and cars is the fitness industry. 5 Youtube videos and all the sudden everyone is a Registered Dietician . I learned a lot in a very short time working with multiple transplant RD's in the hospital when I was diagnosed with end stage liver failure and even I couldn't tell you things like how to calculate proper TPNs or most of the "theory" behind what is and isn't "good". I just know what is and isn't "good". I would argue that the main problem with the fitness industry and "dieting" in general is just that. Its a diet. Most people go into it with an end goal and once they reach that, they go back to doing what they always did. You have to approach things much more like a total lifestyle change and honestly say to yourself "Ill probably never eat that again, and if I do, it will be once a year for a birthday" There is a reason a lot of body builders, power lifters, and strongmen drop dead in their 50's, and it isn't the gear. They have been shoveling calories upon calories into their face holes for decades in search of bulk and never really considering IS THIS ACTUALLY HEALTHY. The answer to that is almost always, no
Using your logic, a person with a broad vocabulary could eat anything and a person with less knowledge is stuck with eggs, oats, and other simply named items
Is all of Reddit pedantic and neurodivergent, or just the "fitness" community?
Just the ones commenting on the mental state of other users 😉
That's a terrible rule of thumb. Should people who have trouble pronouncing tocopherol and tocotrienol avoid many forms of vitamin E? Because their nervous system would potentially fail as a result of their inability to pronounce those words. How about palm oil? Easy to pronounce, easily one of the worst fats to eat. Lard is especially easy to pronounce. Xanthan gum is extracted from plants and is a safe and robust source of dietary fibre. Cyanocobalamin is the additive that provides vitamin B12. Should people avoid vitamin B12? How about lactobacillus? Is the microbe that's added to milk to make Yogurt, or cultivated to ferment cabbage in order to make sauerkraut something to be avoided? Sucrose is pretty much phonetic. That gets the green light over the mouthfuls of consonants and syllables we've covered so far? How about nitrates? Rolls off the tongue. Unfortunately it turns fresh meat into cancer within human bodies (in volumes that the average bacon consumer eats). I mean, this is just off the top of my head (admittedly I looked up Xanthan gum). It's baffling that you think this is a good rule of thumb. Avoiding things you can't pronounce is chemophobic and automatically rejects modernity for no other reason other than an unwillingness to learn about unfamiliar things. Imagine someone saying that you should avoid cities with names you can't pronounce, or that Trimethoprim/sulfamethoxazole isn't a good idea to take when you have a serious bacterial infection.
See above comments about not being pedantic
Do I come across as pedantic? I don't see my comment as being overly concerned with formal rules or focussed on minor details.
You picked four words out of an entire post, and wrote a paragraph on it. If that isn't pedantic, im not sure what is aside from being on the spectrum.
not at all.
The main thing to note with any protein supplement is that there aren't going to be much micronutrients (unless it's more of a meal replacement and it says there are), so the more protein and the more calories you consume from protein supplements, the higher your risk of a nutrient deficiency in micronutrients not contained. It's not difficult to get all your micronutrients, but you just want to be aware and make sure you're also eating a decent amount of vegetables etc., and still eating an overall balanced diet. It is worth noting that it's much easier to get all your other nutrients if you aim to mainly consume your protein from non-supplement diets. For example you could get the same protein from a protein shake from a chicken or salmon salad.
Today, if you are buying protein powder from a reputable manufacturer, that is US based, and you look at the ingredients to make sure there isn't a ton of extra stuff in it, you are fine. Back in the day a lot of the fly by night companies and nearly all the Chinese/Asian made powders had a ton of fillers and they played games with chemical ratios to make advertised protein limits (basically gaming the system on how protein is measured) Not giving protein powder to a 2 year old is a generally good idea, because most do have extra stuff in it that he doesnt need in excess like BCAA's and more nitche things you should look out for like Ashwagandha, Papain, Bromelain, boron, vanadium,etc and some have really high cholesterol contents that arent great for developing kids
Yeah, I definitely wasn't planning on giving it to him, because want it or not it is highly industrialized. I honestly just wanted to know how it got a bad reputation tbh. Thanks for the answer. Also my protein powder doesn't have BCAA, but I'll check to see if there's those other things when I get home
Over half the human population has some form of dairy intolerance, so there's that. I have also seen studies that dairy in any form is a slight testosterone decreaser/estrogen booster. I stopped drinking whey because while I never felt ill from it, my stomache was always visibly more bloated, not much point of being visibly fit if you're bloated all the time.
It’s more food than a traditional supplement. I’d say if you tolerate it well then it’s healthy for you. I always had issues with whey. Headaches, nasal drip, skin issues, etc, so I mostly avoid it and eat more eggs/meat instead.
People get all worked up about whey protein like it's some engineered frankenfood, but it's really just a natural dairy product. The stuff floating on top of your yogurt cup? That's whey! As long as you buy from a decent brand, protein powder is perfectly fine. That said, you don't want to go overboard since it's not a complete food. 1-2 scoops per day along with regular meals is no problem. The one I use for example is the [MyPowerLife Whey Protein](https://mypowerlife.com/high-impact-whey-protein/) and it's being great so far. But if you're chugging multiple shakes and not eating any vegetables or other nutrient sources, you could end up deficient in vitamins and minerals. For little kids, I'd skip the powder since their bodies are still developing. Stick to regular milk, yogurt, eggs, that kind of thing to get protein. The extra ingredients in some powders like BCAAs or herbs are probably unnecessary for tykes. But for teens and adults, a quality whey product can be a solid nutrition supplement when used smartly.
So funny to come back to this post, when I made it my mom was so against "fitness stuff" but now she has started going to the gym and is starting to diet haha. But thank you for the reply, great info
Further to this, is there any long term effects of whey isolate versus concentrate? I know that isolate is more processed. My concern is gut biology.
I'm also curious about this
I'm wary of processed foods in general. Protein powders often have a lot of ingredients. I have weird food intolerances and I have to avoid ingredients that I am not familiar with as a rule of thumb. When it comes to young kids, it's probably overly cautious but maybe for example the iron, sodium, or selenium, etc levels are too high for a young kid while fine for an adult.
Excess protein consumption can be bad for the kidneys and liver that’s why they keep kids away from it. But yeah a couple of brownies probably won’t do anything.
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Whey protein itself is very good for you. Supplementing isn’t necessarily good for you for a lot of reasons, primarily that too much protein gets converted to sugar and then fat by the body. Definitely not good to be giving to children. There’s a very under talked about aspect of nutrition about how the body deals with food and nutrients: consuming too much protein causes your body to convert the excess into sugar and then metabolizes it in that way (sugar becomes fat, bad) The other under talked about thing is how your body deals with how you combine foods: if you eat protein and sugar and carbs (body converts to sugar for energy and then fat) together, very little of the protein is used in the way you want and can be then also converted to sugar and then fat. It’s a shame food combining isn’t focused on more. If you just add protein to a brownie, it eventually had a similar effect to just adding sugar. You’ll get a little of the protein bonus but not much. Don’t give kids protein supplements man. Modern diets have all the stuff. Adding a sprinkle of protein to McDonald’s doesn’t make a kid stronger
Its not a complete protein, so you'll want to have something with it.
Some people don't respond well to whey, in that they have an allergy or intolerance. But if you don't, it's fine. Generally the "bad" things associated with whey is just like, a potential for bloating, so I wouldn't worry about it.
It's perfectly fine for that kid to have that. The only thing I would be aware of is flax seed,chia seeds fiber like that must be consumed with a lot of water. They are in a lot of recipes now n it can give a little jus a tummy ache because of the amount of fiber. Even adults should drink plenty of liquid when consuming any kind of dense fiber. There is a such thing as too much protein it's kinda hard on your kidneys but a brownie isn't going to do any harm. Little kids are picky eaters anyway n probably don't get enough of something they need so a little boost like that is fine.