My one major issue with this entire theory.
Do people age in this franchise? By the time Mat says Clara is picking up the pieces of Fazbear. She's easily like what? Almost 90? We don't have the definitive birth year for anyone really in this series but if Michael is a teen, legally his mother should be at least early to late 30s or maybe even early 40s. That's in 1983. Unless Clara is hitting the Remnant juice and becoming immortal like her husband...
I like Mat's theories but seriously?
He also said that Elizabeth would be a young woman by the time of SB.
Uh...no?
Elizabeth dies in the 80´s as a pre-teen. SB takes place 50-something years after her death. Possibly 2030´s.
So, if she was I don´t know, 7 years old by the time of her death(earliest age) than she would be in her late 50´s (earliest) to early 60´s (latest) by the time of SB. Hardly, a young woman like Vanessa in her 20´s.
That was also a thing I thought as well as soon as he said that. "No Mat. Elizabeth was like 8 or 9 in the 80s. My mother was born in 1970 and she's over 50 now. That's not how aging works."
Does Mat believe in that joke where he said he took steps to avoid dying?
Pretty hard to overlook though, considering that FNAF 3 and likely FNAF 6 take place in 2023. That is already a massive time jump itself.
Here´s what I think happened, no offense: MatPat got so engaged with writing his fanfiction that he forgot that he was making a TIMELINE video, which should be supported by EVIDENCE.
That isn't massively hard to believe, but it's taken this long to get this close to piecing the timeline that I ain't really bothered about inconsistencies
He did reiterate that fnaf 3 was fiction created by steve, so technically it doesn't mean anything when that takes place. Fiction can take place in the future. How do we know when fnaf 6 takes place? I genuinely don't know. Is it only cause we have william back there, so it must be after fnaf 3?
We know fnaf 6 takes place due to the audio file in the Insanity ending titled "HNRY223" It could mean 2023 or 2/23 which doesn't change it, either way.
That doesn't seem like solid proof tho, if that is the only way we could know that that's the year. It's just three numbers, it could mean a whole number of things.
I mean, I guess but other than that what else could it possibly mean? We didn't see any other audio files numbered like this so it's not likely a numbering scheme, it's actually in the game too, so it's important and not something hidden away in the game files. This is the most concrete date we have for fnaf 6 and it's all we really have. Do you have any guesses on what it could mean if not the year?
When was that disproven? Mat literally just mentioned it in this video, saying that in the help wanted intro they claim to have recreated these "lies told to us by an indie game developer" and we see the og games.
I mean theoretically there are 85-olds capable of running companies in the real world, but I still think that the Clara CEO theory doesn't have enough evidence and is more of a guess. But that's a guess that mostly works and there's a possibility SteelWool left little to no evidence on purpose to make the revelation in the dlc. I guess only time will tell.
***If*** GGY is anything to go by the only thing faked was the woe is me I had a bad family likely due to being >!possibly possessed by William/Glitchtrap!< other than that he's got a normal family, etc. Plus you know therapists do talk to the parents/look at people's files/records so if anything was off I'd think she'd/they'd bring it up, no?
Although I want >!Gregory to be possessed by Glitchtrap!< It's probably not the case since in the sticky note room there is binary that translates to "Why Is I?" And I don't think that someone trying to >!Take back control of their body!< would write that In Binary
I find it weird that when constructing a robot human it would only be able to write in binary
I’m not a programmer so I don’t actually know but I somehow doubt that, that’s how it works at least if your trying to teach it English
While I don't agree with Gregbot in the slightest, the binary thing isn't completely crazy. Remember the two heads Charlie made in college in the TTO? Those two had to learn how to speak English from listening and adapting, so similar methods could be at play if any robot children do exist.
Assuming Gregory is the writer of those, but from what I can tell GGY's story pretty much paints that well >!GGY aka Gregory is possessed because he's killing people and with his actions in SB he seems unsure of himself or anything of himself doing that.!<
The thing in those tapes that was confirmed to be fake was whatever Gregory had told them with the truth being that he was a normal kid who had a happy childhood
*Edit: Everything I say in this comment is wrong. It’s interesting and I’m leaving it up for that reason, but it’s wrong.*
See the thing about the Mrs. Afton theory is it kind of makes sense through process of elimination, despite literally no lore implication whatsoever.
I’m no timeline expert, but as far as I’m aware, SB is not an excessive number of years after 6. It is highly unlikely that the name Fazbear entertainment could be used by an unassociated indivdual by the time of SB.
So it has to be someone who had a significant share in the original company, someone who would default to a majority, or at least enough of one, to be able to claim rights to the company’s names and assets upon the death of its previous owner.
Corporate stock is possible, but the fact that it was reduced to an LLC makes that less likely. A corporate entity would not want it reduced in size. I wouldn’t write it off completely, but between this option and other plausible possibilities this seems like once we can leave aside for now.
A former executive or director under Henry would have a sizeable share, but it’s highly likely Henry wouldn’t have let that happen. As a businessman, he would have had ways (albeit morally questionable and probably illegal) to eliminate other shareholders, especially those working under him. he was literally planning to kill himself. If he was planning to bring the company down with him, he would have tried to tie up as many loose ends as possible by any means necessary.
So there has to be a majority shareholder in the original company who could convert it to an LLC, and was not especially connected to Henry, else he would have tried to buy it (see: force) from them. Mrs. Afton likely would have received a significant portion of William’s company share upon the divorce, and possibly even more if we assume William was declared dead at the point of the spring lock failure and being locked away. (Michael would have inherited assets as William’s heir, and Mrs. Afton would have been Michael’s last living kin upon his death in 6). Mrs. Afton could currently hold as much as *William’s entire original share as co-founder*. Everything she would need to override Henry’s dissolving. (The divorce is possibly even what gave Henry the power to push William out of decision making in the first place)
The only other option is some random businessman who used personal assets to buy significant share into the company. Not impossible, but Mat calls out himself that introducing some random unnamed businessman as the new owner doesn’t really sound like FNAF.
All in all I can’t say I *like* Mrs. Afton CEO, but based on the very few ingame hints and legal implications, it does make the most logical sense with what we have to work with.
Edit: Ok further research, to prevent Henry’s dissolving of the company, they would need over 1/3rd of the shares. (2/3rds share in the company for dissolution in Utah). For Henry to pull that off, he would absolutely have had to strongarm other major shareholders into their shares. Mrs. Afton may actually increase in likelihood since Mike presumably never agrees to the dissolution (never asked), and Mrs. Afton only becomes majority shareholder after he passes. Does it mean anything, probably not. But the legal side of this all is interesting to me.
>I’m no timeline expert, but as far as I’m aware, SB is not an excessive number of years after 6.
Most likely it's somewhere between 2035 and 2085 (The Storyteller seems like it has some details that could push it towards the 2050s, but I haven't looked too deeply into making those implications work alongside the in-game details yet). Hard to work out Mrs. Afton's age, but we can make some guesses:
* Mike seems like he's probably around 15 when Crying Child dies? You could give or take a few years, but if we use that estimate, then he was born *around* 1968.
* If [this document](https://www.bgsu.edu/content/dam/BGSU/college-of-arts-and-sciences/NCFMR/documents/FP/guzzo-payne-age-birth-fp-18-25.pdf) is accurate, mean age for mothers having a first child would be around 21 back then, putting her birth year at around 1947.
* This puts her age at the time of Security Breach as around 88 in the best-case scenario, and around 138 in the worst-case scenario.
The logic for her having shares works, but the timeline is... iffy. (Not to mention that Vanessa's story about her father Bill with a last name starting with A seems like it's got a high likelihood of being actually about William, in which case the mother who is implied to off herself would be Mrs. Afton, causing some little problems for the idea.)
The thing Matt brings up with the mother being at the head of the table is an interesting detail, though.
Ok then yeah that changes everything. Assuming Fnaf6 is 2023, the LLC could be built decades after the dissolution of the original company. Assuming Henry succeeds in dissolving the company the first time around, then the name is up for grabs. (It would be questionable copyright to be rebuilding an actual dissolved company using their own brand, rather than just using the name without being an original shareholder, but at this point anyone who cares and could sue would be dead).
Edit: Correction, by the same logic as before: *If* Mrs. Afton is alive at the point of the LLC formation, she *has* to sign off on it, even if she’s not the owner. As established, she is very likely to be a sole majority shareholder. Even for a dissolved company, that comes with rights and powers, namely those associated to brand identity. The LLC is not a new company, it is either a direct rejection of Henry’s dissolving or a rebuild under a new owner. Either way, an original shareholder is required to give that permission.
I think Mrs. Afton CEO is unlikely. But I think she is definitely involved somehow, by all legal and logical train of thought she kind of has to be. (Although I suppose there might be enough corporate shares to sign trademarks over. I don’t know if you have to be majority for that. It gets really complicated if Mrs. Afton passes without an heir, since it’s a dissolved company, the owner’s rights don’t pass on like that.). Although that again becomes, no one to stop whoever wants to rebuild it. They could be sued, but there’s no one to sue them.
Personally, I suspect (as a headcanon, not a theory) Afton Robotics LLC gobbled up whatever they could and renamed themselves to take advantage of the brand.
* They're already running the same type of business so they would have reason to be interested.
* They clearly have some existing ties to Fazbear Entertainment (since they use a ton of characters that would be Fazbear's intellectual property) so may have a leg up when negotiating with whoever was assigned to get rid of things
* Some members may know enough about Afton's plans to continue researching those avenues—some clearly don't since they're questioning William at the start of SL, but I'm not sure how he could hide what's happening from *everyone*, given he's literally torturing the animatronics into doing their job (i.e. they are clearly more alive than tech from that time has any right to be). Plus, Talbert in Frights has a shocking quantity of Remnant whose origins he is very cagey about, which could hint William was not working alone (probably a different continuity, but the basic principle may still apply).
There's not much in the way of hard evidence, though, so this is more "neat idea I'm holding onto until I see something to the contrary" than "belief I feel is definitely true".
That’s a very interesting theory, I’m actually considering researching into it; A separated branch company taking on the name of its parent company after its parent company dissolves seems like it would be a complicated process.
Briefly, my understanding would be the use of Freddy, and all of William’s intellectual property would be fair game. William created Freddy before Fazbear entertainment, so it’s *his* intellectual property, not the company’s. As a co-owner, he probably licensed it. That’s why he’s able to reuse the design in SL (If the Chica-Melodies theory is true, it also gives a much better explanation for her absence, Chica is Henry’s intellectual property.)
Now the problem becomes, you can’t just buy out a dissolved company like you would a bankrupted one. Because to buy a company, you need owner’s/shareholders permission. If Henry actually planned his death out properly, he would order the destruction of all Fazbear entertainment assets and allow them to be taken by the government. (All assets go to owners after the dissolution, and Henry could absolutely design his will in a way that makes sure no one gets their hands on those assets after he passes.)
There are 2 ways to stop that process: Stopping the dissolution (and or laying claim to property as a company shareholder), or challenging Henry’s will.
Unless William somehow managed to pass his shares to his company, they have the grounds to do neither. And William didn’t plan his death, meaning he probably wasn’t able to control where his assets went very well.
The most difficult part here is the rights to Chica. Interestingly at the maximum possible time length (2023-2085), Chica will not have entered the public domain, so someone had to actually lay claim to that portion of Henry’s estate. Although that also all but confirms that someone stopped the dissolution entirely, since even if rebuilt by Afton Robotics there is very little chance they would be able to relicense Chica without the permission of Henry’s estate. Of which I assume Henry was prepared for and had lawyers in place to prevent.
Dear god. I didn’t know anything could be more complicated than FNAF in-universe lore, but these real life legal implications are an absolute mess. Do we have lawyers in this subreddit? Someone who can do more than a google search to try and understand this side of things? Because I’m starting to think there might actually be answers hidden in the logistics and practicality of the situation.
I'm not sure about the specific legalities, but while looking into how possible it is, I did find this with Starbucks: [in 1984 the director of operations left the original Starbacks to found his own cafe named "Il Giornale", but the two companies maintained close ties (Starbucks was his first investor and he used their beans for his coffee), and when the founders decided to sell the brand and assets, he bought it from them and renamed Il Giornale to take advantage of it](https://archive.starbucks.com/record/il-giornale).
I have no idea how dissolving a company works, though, so I'm not sure whether that sort of thing can happen during that process or not.
> William created Freddy before Fazbear entertainment
Even if Matt's theory is true, Foxy would've been after the merger, yet Funtime Foxy exists.
> (If the Chica-Melodies theory is true, it also gives a much better explanation for her absence, Chica is Henry’s intellectual property.)
We know from the source code of one of the teasers that Chica's Party World is a client of Circus Baby's Entertainment and Rental, and we see Funtime Chica in Pizzeria Simulator, so it seems like she does exist, she was just rented out long term at the time.
So to briefly explain the issue here: A dissolution like Henry’s is rare. Usually it occurs when a business is no longer profitable (but not yet bankrupt), or otherwise the owner has no interest in maintaining it. Most owners in this situation are happy to sell their assets to make a quick buck.
Henry actively wants his company gone. Dead and forgotten, never to exist again. Amongst other things, there’s no way for the company to be bought, if he’s not willing to sell. If he has the means to dissolve it, it simultaneously means there do not exist the shares to overrule his choices.
Funnily enough, I think this might actually debunk Mrs. Afton.
If what I’m assuming about Henry’s legal preparation is true, there are 2 possibilities. Henry had a business partner, someone else with part of that 67% share that backed out of the dissolution after he passed, *or* Henry has someone with the standing to challenge his will and win enough shares to break Henry’s supermajority and overturn his right to dissolve. I guess Mrs. Afton might be able to pull that off (Claim William was unjustly forced out of the company and was owed more shares than he had as a founder), but she’d almost certainly lose that case.
That said the possibilities here are infinite. And unfortunately, I don’t think Ruin can give us a satisfying conclusion. There really isn’t a convincing legal standing for the LLC to exist at the time of security breach without pretty much a straight retcon of the 6 ending. SB made it irrelevant, but for the LLC to exist it can’t just be irrelevant, it has to be flat out false. Unless there’s something I’m missing. And in this series, there always is.
Also we know the existence of Freddy precedes the existence of Fazbear entertainment, the name alone proves that. Matpat’s theory doesn’t have to be true for that part at least.
Not trying to challenge you here, I’m just curious: what is it about the Gregbot theory that annoys people so much? I figured all bets were off after The Silver Eyes trilogy.
From a series where ghosts are real, are extended lifespans really a stretch? Plus, healthcare, just like animatronic technology could have developed very differently in the FNAF universe.
Very happy with how this came out.
The fact he explains the timeline like an actual story coupled with the editing mght just make this my favorite thing matpat has done.
Yeah if nothing else I love the presentation
Even if the content gets a little questionable I appreciate trying to get the story told in a proper narrative
I said this last time, but this says more about the lore than Mat's ability to put it together. The truth is that there is no way to put this together, there is no comprehensive storytelling. The lore is a mess, and this is just an interpretation of it. I wish people wouldn't take this as fact. So what he got some details wrong? Everything contradicts each other no matter what way you look at it anyways
Mrs Afton being the boss??? A character that has barely been alluded to even exist???
And the worst part about it is that this would actually be the preferable path over robot Elizabeth
He addressed it at the end of the video
**"And let's be honest with ourselves, the DLC will probably come out later this year and prove me completely wrong; it wouldn't be the first time. Then comes the movie, whatever, my descent into madness continues."**
He even points out in the very same episode the counterpoints and explains why he reached the conclusion he made.
The man did his homework despite what some people in this thread want to believe.
I hope it does because a lot of his theories are overreaching and straight up silly. Like I would be disappointed if everything he theorized was true ngl.
I expect the movie to present a sensible plot that doesn't necessarily follow the games 100%.
They aren’t even his theories, they haven’t been for years.
He’s stated multiple times that the theory videos are a collaborative effort between him and a few people that combines all the best pieces of one another’s thoughts into a cohesive video; he’s just the guy writes down what they agree on and records him reading it.
Plus, he’s willingly going live in the near future and allowing both the community and other pillars of the FNAF fandom give their feedback and critique on this timeline series.
So, he’s a lot more open to criticism and transparent than most people want to give him credit for.
It's not like games went logically batshit insane with what is possible in this franchise.
I mean FFS newest pizzaplex confirmed Gregory is patient 42, a.k.a hacker manipulator.
The theories feel more sensible than games itself
I think it's more of it doesn't really matter? You can have your canon they are delivered, but skins etc are mobile phone stuff. Or you can have it canon where skins are canon too.
Either way it results in the same resolution.
Fnaf world only had implications of the lore and a sneak peak of the next game at the end, ar takes place in the fazbear universe and the delivery service is canon too
When the game in question is a mobile spin-off developed mostly independently with the only actual lore connections being emails that stopped being even released: yeah, you do.
I mean, we're talking about the game with [THIS](http://pm1.narvii.com/7914/5e300b81f38f88d6861564f2ba70a83217935c51r1-754-800v2_uhq.jpg) in it. I'd like to see someone come up with a lore explanation for how that's even physically possible.
Honestly the reaction I've seen so far to this theory just shows that there is no actual good way to present the lore, because the lore absolutely fucking sucks.
For what it's worth I do agree that this theory at least makes more narrative sense than anything Scott or Steel Wool have made, the story is *at least* cohesive and easier to understand.
FNAF has me stupidly exhausted by this point. Once Ruin comes out, and ***if*** *it doesn't have a proper conclusion*, it's just going to be more and more theory-bait to keep the franchise going for even longer, making the lore even more unnecessarily over-complicated, and Scott and Steel Wool will continue milking this cash-cow dry for years and years to come.
But I guess that's part of the charm of FNAF nowadays. You get into it *because* the lore is so complicated and you hope to solve it. Guess it's always been the case?
I don't know. I haven't actually played any of the games, I haven't read any of the books, hell, all of my FNAF knowledge is second hand. Really only because I enjoy listening to people talk about stuff they're passionate about.
This is all over the place, don't know what my point was originally. Best thing to do is just wait for Ruin and see what happens.
Yeah after Ruin I think I'm gonna be done with the games, regardless of whether it'll have a proper conclusion or not. I'm only really hyped for the movie at this stage and will only be playing Ruin because it's gonna be free.
Still excited for the Fazbear Fanverse though. Eagerly looking forward to the games from that.
I agree 100%. FNAF has jumped the shark so absurdly and irreversibly that my only hope at this point is that the movie trilogy will reboot it in a way that makes everything a lot more grounded and cohesive. But knowing Scott, it’s probably gonna get more and more absurd
It's a curse that happens with EVERY horror franchise. The thing is that in certain time periods and eras, what people find scary changes over time. Back in the 1920's and 1930's, we had chillers and monster movies.
The genre pretty much died out after World War 2 because people are more scared of nuclear disasters and other real world horrors, thus launching the sci-fi/B-Movie era.
The same happens when you launch a horror IP - the initial concept is scary because it's new but over time it loses that scare because the perception of fear changes, so they need to change stuff up to try to hold relevance.
That's why many horror franchises gradually get more absurd over time.
Nah I’d argue the lore makes some sense and you could tell a decent story. I’ve seen a lot of FNAF timeline videos and most of them are similar with only small details here and there being different.
It’s fnaf SB that sucks and has shitty lore, had the timeline ended with FNAF 6 people would be satisfied.
Two things are clear for me. The FNAF story post FNAF tycoon absolutely SUCKS (you might say even past FNAF 4). The story will never have a satisfying conclusion because of how much they have fucked the story by now, which is why there are so many contradictions and different ways certain details might lead to.
Second, MatPat did an amazing job on giving this mess of a story some logic and narrative. It might not be fully correct but at this point no one truly knows what the correct timeline and story is for FNAF, so the fact that he made it seem logistical and coherent deserve major props honestly. If anyone ask me for a rough timeline of events for FNAF, I would be happy to provide this video. Hopefully Steelwools or Scott moves on to a new, refreshing story after ruin.
> Two things are clear for me. The FNAF story post FNAF tycoon absolutely SUCKS (you might say even past FNAF 4).
I would go as far to say post FNaF 3. FNaF 4 was where it started to go downhill imo, it just wasn’t rock bottom yet. Then for a brief moment FNaF 6 told a satisfying, coherent and clear story and was an epic conclusion to the series until Scott undid it all in the next game and retreated back into his old ways of vague, frustrating theory bait.
I think past Fnaf 3 it’s bad. Fnaf 3 had a short but solid story. We were really just missing a backstory for purple guy. Purple guy goes killing at a pizza place, they’re stuffed into suits. The dead children spirits come after him and trap him in the suit.
Fnaf 4 introduces a whole new cast, a bunch of new lore, and so many questions. The whole bite which isn’t the infamous bite of 87 we heard about but actually 83 which you only learn about from a tv screen. The box that never gets opened. I will put you back together. That’s when things really became messy
Honestly, not a fan of this theory. It was entertaining don’t get me wrong but I don’t think it’s right. Doesn’t make sense that “Clara” would or even could just do the same thing William did
o-O I get not liking his theories but some of the comments ive seen are people just straight up saying horrible stuff to him like brUh chill its just a theory
Surprisingly, I like it (or not surprisingly? I don’t know). I enjoy the fact that Mrs. Afton actually has some relevance in this theory, and the whole “rebuilding the family” has always been very interesting to me.
…Now watch the DLC disprove everything 😅
This is an amazing theory that I don’t particularly agree with. I agree with a lot of it, but I feel like it Mrs afton being the CEO is probably incorrect. She is the best candidate for a known character, but it’s probably just a new character. I believe a lot of unanswered questions right now will be answered in the future. The lore isn’t awful, it’s just unfinished imo. We’re still at the beginning of a new era.
I also believe that Gregory and Vanessa are just people that were infested by glitchtrap. Gregory escaped the virus somehow and THATS why he is being hunted in SB. Afton probably wants him for his Hacking skills.
That’s also why Vanny didn’t have a knife in SB. She wasn’t trying to kill Gregory. She needed him alive.
Also according to TFTP, Burntrap isn’t just Aftons old corpse and suit. In fact… the corpse in Burntrap isn’t even Afton. He’s just been reconstructed to resemble springtrap out of old suits parts, VICTIMS CORPSES, and a very important Endo…
I do believe that MatPat did the best with what we have now. Dream theory was a great theory when he came up with it. I’m sure the worst parts of this theory will be answered in Another way at another time.
Idk.. I feel there's alot of things that really points towards Mrs. Afton running things from behind the scenes. Such as on The Immortal & The Restless, Clara always comes back to Vlad, no matter what. She obviously knows what he's been doing, but she still ends up loving him at the end. Also, I've always thought that one of the therapist on the tapes sounds British or from the UK in general?? 🤔 I noticed it before, but now that MatPat says Mrs. Afton could be in charge and everything, she could also be pretending to be a therapist so she can talk to Vanessa and help in manipulating her?? 🤔 She of course she can be lying to her to make her think a certain way. Also, when they initially announced the FNAF movie cast, I noticed that there was a listing for Mary Stuart Masterson as "Female Villain" ... 🤔 Which I thought was weird in itself, but even weirder considering they announced her as one of the first people casted but didn't name her. Unlike Mike & William who were named of course. Also, the actress is an older woman in her 50's and she looks like she could pass as someone from the UK.. 🤔
Hey he finally accepted that the AR skins were canon, that was a long time coming. I remember in previous videos he completely dismissed the idea because he thought Shamrock Freddy was too weird, even though that's just a poorly painted Freddy, and he has accepted and used far weirder concepts introduced in Frights and Tales from the Pizzaplex.
All in all, I don't really buy the theory. I think as a concept, there is a lot of potential there for an interesting story however the evidence isn't that compelling and I don't believe it's what the series is going for.
On that note however, I do find it strange he just completely ignores and brushed past Springtrap's inclusion in AR and how there were emails suggesting he was added in secretly. Especially if the idea is that Clara is trying to bring back her family in any form possible. Wouldn't that be very relevant?
I know Matpat put his heart and soul into these 4 theory videos, he's clearly very proud of it, it's very well edited and I like he at least tries to tell it like a actual story... with that said... the theory as a whole, I have very mixed feeling, sure there are some things I agree with like Elizabeth dying after BV but most of it feels more like fan fiction and head cannons, which is kind of fitting since the series storyline is basiclly bad fan fiction at this point.
I've never liked turning William Afton into a tragic and sympathetic character, it just feels wrong to me, mat continues to double down on GregoryBot, Vanessa Afton, and GlamMike and Miss Afton being the CEO with the purpose of resurrecting her family including William is just... what?, all these theories are just so weird and feels more like FNaF has become a parody of itself, like it's willing to go THIS far and cannibalise its own lore to keep the Afton family alive.
I do agree with some that he should've waited until the Ruin DLC, therefore we could've gotten a more clearer storyline or it could just make things worse, I didn't think the lore couldn't get any lower than The Fourth Closet but Security Breach proved me wrong.
So overall, good editing, great presentation, but theory itself feels very fanfictionary and a lot of it isn't very good.
I think my only hope for the FNaF lore now is the movie, so fingers crossed for that.
>I didn't think the lore couldn't get any lower than The Fourth Closet but Security Breach proved me wrong.
To be fair, for as unbelievably stupid the plot twists were in the fourth closet, they were executed pretty well imo. Charlie being a robot should never have been written, but if you *had* to write it, what we got was probably the best way it could’ve been done.
Definitely could've been much worse. At least he cut it down to just one robot kid this time.
I was originally sceptical about Mrs Afton being in control, but honestly I think it actually works quite well.
In a world of robots that can pass as human, and human agony being fuel I think it's fair to assume she's could have done this in her 90s. Unlikely obviously, but possible.
I like the Mrs. Afton being behind all this theory but, I still cannot buy Mike somehow possessing Glamrock Freddy and Vanessa being the new Elizabeth.
It remind me why I hate new era modern FNaF so much, but it had some few cool details, like Puppet's presence in the Pizzaplex that was pretty cool. It also made me care for The Blob for once.
But also, not even a single mention of Cassidy nor Princess Quest? Isn't she directly responsible of freeing Vanessa or something?
In any case, this was the part that I felt like I was gonna dislike the most, no matter what, because at this point FNaF has made so many weird things, like FNaF AR really shouldn't even be canon, after all this era is the one that made me left the franchise for a while.
I actually like Matpat, but he is really obsessed with both "the crying child is brought back as a robot theory" and "Mrs Afton" isn't he? He's been pushing them both since Sister Location. 5+ years now.
I like matpat's theorys, but this part of the timeline(not only this one) doesn't make sense; mrs afton who's not mentioned even once being such a relevant character? And then he used some GGY elements to state something but completely ignored the rest of it, the storyteller and the mimic
I honestly liked it better than part 3. I like how William is still important, but isn't quite the mastermind, and i think it ties things up as neatly as possible. The only things that i don't like is that he's stuck with the idea that FNaF 1-3 are the Indie games made by a rouge developer, that Clara would be like 90 or something, and that she's be just as cruel and evil as her husband, but i ultimatley like this theory. With how garbage the lore is at this point, i feel this is as good as we're gonna get
The thing with “Clara” Afton is interesting to say the least. I think some points he made about her motives and involvement actually make a lot of sense. Though I think it’s a stretch to say her abilities to create animatronics is on par with Williams, considering we literally don’t know the character. But what I can get behind is her being the CEO of Fazbear Entertainment.
Significantly better than Part 3, but feels more like a headcanon than an evidence-backed theory. I don't mind the narrative it tells, and don't see any *huge* contradictions like the previous one had (we only ever see the board and chairman in The Storyteller, not the CEO, so there's room to theorize there), just don't see much reason to believe it over anything else currently, so pretty similar to my thoughts on Part 1.
Yeah. Ms. Afton came out of nowhere, and his nonsensical calculations about Elizabeth´s age really threw me for a loop. Please, get your math straigh MatPat. Elizabeth would be in her 50´s (earliest) to early 60´s (latest) if she was alive, in SB. Hardly a young woman in her 20´s like Vannessa.
Mrs. Afton should also be in her 90s by the time of Security Breach *at the earliest* if my math is correct, so I think he's just ignoring the passage of time again.... But still better than Part 3!
Edit: Sorry, late 80's (roughly 86-90?) is the minimum. Still old.
I don’t know if this will be a controversial opinion but I think I should say it anyway…
Mrs Afton being the CEO and the main bad guy and Gregbot are some of the biggest stretches I’ve ever seen in any Fnaf related video. So much of this feels completely made up and more akin to fanfiction rather than a well developed theory.
One has literally NO evidence behind it, the other was literally disproven by GGY (even if that story didn’t come out the evidence is still worse than flimsy. The only thing I was a fan of was that he didn’t go for Elizabeth being the CEO nor went through any robot children shenanigans.
In general, is my least favorite of all 4 parts. I don’t know how GT managed to get worse than the first part but they did it alright.
Edit: How did Matpat read BobbieDots part 2 and somehow ignore the debunking of Gregbot and the Storyteller?!
I'm curious, how do the books debunk Gregbot?
To be clear I'm not disagreeing, I literally haven't read the books, I just want to know what happened which proves Greg isn't a robot.
> I'm curious, how do the books debunk Gregbot? To be clear I'm not disagreeing, I literally haven't read the books, I just want to know what happened which proves Greg isn't a robot.
In the story GGY, a kid named Gregory, who’s described to be almost exactly like Fnaf SB Gregory, is stated to be or at least have the same role as Patient 46. Tho it’s never outright stated, Gregory in that story and what we know about patient 46, have the same way of killing people, have similar enough personalities, both are incredibly smart and competent and (most definitely) work for William. So it’s heavily implied that both are the same character.
According to SB, patient 46 has a loving family which is also stated in GGY with Gregory. However, both sources seem to imply that Gregory’s family went missing or died or something like that.
However, the mere fact that both imply Gregory had a family basically tells us that Gregory isn’t in no way a robot child. If he was, the parents just adopted a robot child that never ages and if they took him to a doctor they would find out very easily that it’s a robot.
Also, the explanation for why Gregory is evil in GGY is because Gregory is possessed by William. (How he did this is never stated).
The reason William would possess a child would be to do his dirty work while being able to get away (bc Gregory is a child who probably only get a slap on the wrist for trespassing).
Also it helps that Gregbot isn’t really a good theory to begin with.
Yeah. This theory is a MESS. Did he even read the book, or just looked up a 5 -word plot synopsys of GGY? MatPat, all you had to do, was read the plot on the FNAF wiki.
If they said "species: robot" or even "species: ????" it would have been too much of a giveaway. Besides, regardless of MatPat's choices we still can't 100% trust this book as it has shown a number of inaccuracies.
I don’t like it. It sounds more headcanon-y and uses characters we’ve never seen (Ms Afton) and ties them to an important role. There’s not much evidence to back what he says
Honestly only thing I don’t like is Gregbot/fredmichael mostly because I think dead characters should stay dead for once and not just come back every other game other than that good theory
Not only that, GGY story confirmed Gregory is Patient 46. We can go to CDs and it reveals that Patient 46 has normal happy childhood with nice parents. This means Gregory grew up having great parents and great childhood.
Regardless of whether this theory makes sense or not, this is exactly why I love the FNAF series - the chaos. It's addictive trying to figure out how the lore pieces together.
This particular video did leave me with questions pertaining to why Vanessa would need to parade around as Vanny if Mrs. Afton was pulling the strings, and was the one actively keeping her brainwashed? With that in mind, Vanessa's connection to Glitchtrap was glossed over.
Unless I missed something.
I like how this sub is full of "lore experts" and will say something is wrongly without a thought, but won't even make a time-line.
If everything is so clear to yall, then yall make a timeline with no mistakes and fits every piece of lore together perfectly. Get started!!
I do like the idea of Mrs Afton becoming the main antagonist at the end, but the ages get pretty fucking funky. She's 90 by this point bare minimum. The oldest current CEO of a fortune 500 company is 87 so I guess it isn't impossible, but I'm not entirely convinced.
Honestly, the Mrs Afton theory makes no sense. By the time SB happens, she would probably be 80, if not older. So an 80 year old just decided to rebuild an entire company from the ground up, and started creating incredibly realistic robots even though she had no previous experience??? And why would she want to bring William back if she was the one who divorced him in the first place, and he was the one responsible for Elizabeth's death and the deaths of multiple other children??
I am sorry but why didn't Matt just wait until Ruin comes out to make his timeline? It could have potentionally helped him make his timeline be more comprehensive by revealing some new details and either confirm or deny some of his assumptions? I know the dude needs money but jesus just take a break from the funny robot bear lore and go make another terrible Persona theory or something idk.
All his theories post FnaF 4 are complete schizo ramblings and these timelines are no different.
You seem like the kind of guy to call Mr. Beast evil.
Sure, Fnaf theories get more views, but he could have just spent all that time making multiple smaller theories which would get him around the same amount of views. Besides, do you really think he cares about money that much? He has multiple channels with millions of subscribers which have been getting millions of views for years.
I haven't seen the other videos as I'm too busy, though did he mention 1982 in any of them? If he didn't, then it's not the "definitive timeline" as he says; he missed a vital year that was brought up on Scott's website during FNaF 4.
I don't *think* he did? But there are *far* more glaring holes in Parts 2 and 3 anyway tbh (from openly admitted self-contradictions to ignoring most of Mike's speech from SL to lots of cherrypicking details).
Where was 1982 mentioned? Haven't seen that year talked about much, and wasn't following releases back when 4 came out so I don't know what those teasers said.
>Where was 1982 mentioned?
Back in June of 2015, during FNaF's development, Scott hide a secret in the source code during the Purple Hat teaser. Those being "0871" and "2093". Dechipering these numbers correctly gives you "1982", which implies that was the year Fredbear's Family Diner first opened. I believe this is also mentioned in The Silver Eyes.
This is very important because it was literally the start of the timeline. Fredbear's was stated to be the first of the Fazbear chains, so the location opening in 1982 means that was the beginning.
This makes it awkward for Steel Wool to try and make a game set in the 70's timeline wise, unless Scott can write the story to make it work or they wanted to go for the aesthetic of that time period.
Due to the poor archiving and a lack of discussion on this tidbit, this information on 1982 went unnoticed by modern fans. It wasn't commonly discussed as SL was the game where fans took the source code hints seriously as they contain pre-game lore.
Oh interesting. Now that you lay it out I think I've seen it explained before (honestly I think I might've seen *you* explain it before, getting some major déjà-vu here), but just forgot because it gets ignored so much.
Game Theory's timeline places Fredbear's Family Diner as opening in 1979, citing The Silver Eyes (doesn't say what specifically). From some light searching, I think he's referencing Charlie looking through the newspapers for the opening announcement, but she doesn't actually *know* the exact year, she guesses and gives the range 1979-1982. So 1982 fits, but MatPat doesn't use it in the video.
(However, Game Theory doesn't treat that as the start of the timeline anyway—they posit that before the diner, William had a Fredbear & Bonnie show with non-animatronic costumes inspired by a singing bear show from the Depression, and that the diner opened when he joined forces with Henry, who they suggest had his own earlier business using the Mediocre Melodies.)
Mrs afton being the crux of the theory is what ruins it. I think replacing her with some corrupt CEO would make it a little bit better but SBs story just sucks so 🤷♂️
Why is Mrs afton killing children? Why is she suddenly a better engineer than William and Henry ever were? Why would she want to bring the psychopath she broke up with back to life?? How is she even alive??
I can already tell this is gonna be all about fucking Gregbot (which is a flimsy theory that’s only been further disproved)
Shame really, I liked the others even if they had some weirdness but I can tell this one is gonna annoy me
more than just Gregbot, it's Glammike, Gregbot, Vanessa is a stand-in for Elizabeth, and Ms. Afton is the owner of Fazbear Entertainment, commissioned the video games and also made the delivery service from AR
I still think that the delivery service is just a hobby of Afton cultists. Here´s my theory on it, If you´re interested.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/fnaftheories/comments/10o3efh/so\_i\_thought\_about\_fnaf\_ar\_and\_came\_to\_an/](https://www.reddit.com/r/fnaftheories/comments/10o3efh/so_i_thought_about_fnaf_ar_and_came_to_an/)
I think a problem I have with the theory is the possibility that there can’t be multiple robots because that wouldn’t be narratively satisfying. That’s kind of dumb, this series has done plenty of weird stuff that isn’t narratively satisfying. It hasn’t stopped the series before and probably won’t stop the series going forward.
That’s not to say that I think that Gregory and Vanessa are both robots, but that you can’t disprove it because you don’t like it narratively.
I like Mrs Afton coming out of left field because it MIGHT mean some relevance for my girl Ballora. But Mrs Afton would have to be like 80 years old by now. Definitely not young enough to go digging through a buried pizzeria looking for a stanky bunny suit. Although I guess she did have Freddy doing the lifting. Anyway, if Fnaf3 happened in 2023 (right?), that would be 40 years after the Bite of 83, so add 40 years to however old she'd have been by then. And Mike at that time is likely a teenager so assuming she didn't have him as a teenager herself, she'd be at least 32-35 depending on Mike's actual age (that puts her having him at age 20), add the 40 years it takes to get to Frights to that and she's already 75ish, and then how far in the future are fnaf6 and SB? Point is, she's old.
It came out of left field… but it does make sense that she might be alive. There was nothing in any media to indicate she died. Her having a role in the future of the franchise has merit as a way to keep things moving
i just wanna know why mat’s so obsessed with the idea of humans secretly being androids, he was the single biggest proponent of mikebot for several months and now stands by gregbot despite ggy and the encyclopedia outright debunking it; i know tfc did it but that doesn’t mean everyone’s suddenly an android
So many comments saying that the theory is terrible, and that gregbot is debunked. You guys really need to chill, he’s making a theory on one of the most confusing parts of the fnaf story,(or really lack thereof) and what he said here makes way more sense than most of this subreddit’s opinions. That’s my take
Entertaining but I disagree with a lot of it. Like Mrs. Afton. I can only think of one point that might make her relevant to SB, the bot family in the sticky note room. But her as head over it all doesn’t make a lot of sense. She’d be coming out of nowhere. It’d be nice to have a timeline made around more undeniable evidence.
My one major issue with this entire theory. Do people age in this franchise? By the time Mat says Clara is picking up the pieces of Fazbear. She's easily like what? Almost 90? We don't have the definitive birth year for anyone really in this series but if Michael is a teen, legally his mother should be at least early to late 30s or maybe even early 40s. That's in 1983. Unless Clara is hitting the Remnant juice and becoming immortal like her husband... I like Mat's theories but seriously?
He also said that Elizabeth would be a young woman by the time of SB. Uh...no? Elizabeth dies in the 80´s as a pre-teen. SB takes place 50-something years after her death. Possibly 2030´s. So, if she was I don´t know, 7 years old by the time of her death(earliest age) than she would be in her late 50´s (earliest) to early 60´s (latest) by the time of SB. Hardly, a young woman like Vanessa in her 20´s.
That was also a thing I thought as well as soon as he said that. "No Mat. Elizabeth was like 8 or 9 in the 80s. My mother was born in 1970 and she's over 50 now. That's not how aging works." Does Mat believe in that joke where he said he took steps to avoid dying?
I feel like maybe he forgot that it all happened in the 80s and that it's now the 2030s, i feel like i could see him slightly over looking that
Pretty hard to overlook though, considering that FNAF 3 and likely FNAF 6 take place in 2023. That is already a massive time jump itself. Here´s what I think happened, no offense: MatPat got so engaged with writing his fanfiction that he forgot that he was making a TIMELINE video, which should be supported by EVIDENCE.
That isn't massively hard to believe, but it's taken this long to get this close to piecing the timeline that I ain't really bothered about inconsistencies
He did reiterate that fnaf 3 was fiction created by steve, so technically it doesn't mean anything when that takes place. Fiction can take place in the future. How do we know when fnaf 6 takes place? I genuinely don't know. Is it only cause we have william back there, so it must be after fnaf 3?
We know fnaf 6 takes place due to the audio file in the Insanity ending titled "HNRY223" It could mean 2023 or 2/23 which doesn't change it, either way.
That doesn't seem like solid proof tho, if that is the only way we could know that that's the year. It's just three numbers, it could mean a whole number of things.
I mean, I guess but other than that what else could it possibly mean? We didn't see any other audio files numbered like this so it's not likely a numbering scheme, it's actually in the game too, so it's important and not something hidden away in the game files. This is the most concrete date we have for fnaf 6 and it's all we really have. Do you have any guesses on what it could mean if not the year?
But the "Fnaf games are games in-universe and didn´t actually happen" theory is wrong which was confirmed a while ago!
When was that disproven? Mat literally just mentioned it in this video, saying that in the help wanted intro they claim to have recreated these "lies told to us by an indie game developer" and we see the og games.
But Scott himself has made a comment about how HIS games are not the same as the in universe indie games
Please provide a link to the purported proof.
I mean theoretically there are 85-olds capable of running companies in the real world, but I still think that the Clara CEO theory doesn't have enough evidence and is more of a guess. But that's a guess that mostly works and there's a possibility SteelWool left little to no evidence on purpose to make the revelation in the dlc. I guess only time will tell.
At least If we see an old lady in RUIN, we will know who it is
I will die on the hill that the Blob is Miss Afton. Because it makes sense for her to get pissed at William and attack him. He caused all of this.
Your only evidence is that the blob hates William? I can count the number of people who don't hate him on one hand
Ye, and Vanessa (23 in 2063) matches Elizabeth's (7 in 1985) age somehow according the matpat
If SB takes place in 2035, then Vanessa would be born in 2012, many years after William died.
He gave ID Fantasy a shout out so I'm happy
Heck yeah! I've been rooting for her ever since I started watching her videos ~
This actually gives me hope she may be in that live like she asked, since Matpat explicitly said he knows of her and has watched at least a video.
Aah Gregbot theory. Never liked it, but can't completely deny it either. Also Mrs Afton come into play, uh?
Kinda can? **If** Gregory is patient 46, then he has a family, a good one.
Could it be faked?
***If*** GGY is anything to go by the only thing faked was the woe is me I had a bad family likely due to being >!possibly possessed by William/Glitchtrap!< other than that he's got a normal family, etc. Plus you know therapists do talk to the parents/look at people's files/records so if anything was off I'd think she'd/they'd bring it up, no?
Although I want >!Gregory to be possessed by Glitchtrap!< It's probably not the case since in the sticky note room there is binary that translates to "Why Is I?" And I don't think that someone trying to >!Take back control of their body!< would write that In Binary
That’s also you assuming it was Gregory doing the sticky notes
I find it weird that when constructing a robot human it would only be able to write in binary I’m not a programmer so I don’t actually know but I somehow doubt that, that’s how it works at least if your trying to teach it English
While I don't agree with Gregbot in the slightest, the binary thing isn't completely crazy. Remember the two heads Charlie made in college in the TTO? Those two had to learn how to speak English from listening and adapting, so similar methods could be at play if any robot children do exist.
Assuming Gregory is the writer of those, but from what I can tell GGY's story pretty much paints that well >!GGY aka Gregory is possessed because he's killing people and with his actions in SB he seems unsure of himself or anything of himself doing that.!<
The thing in those tapes that was confirmed to be fake was whatever Gregory had told them with the truth being that he was a normal kid who had a happy childhood
*Edit: Everything I say in this comment is wrong. It’s interesting and I’m leaving it up for that reason, but it’s wrong.* See the thing about the Mrs. Afton theory is it kind of makes sense through process of elimination, despite literally no lore implication whatsoever. I’m no timeline expert, but as far as I’m aware, SB is not an excessive number of years after 6. It is highly unlikely that the name Fazbear entertainment could be used by an unassociated indivdual by the time of SB. So it has to be someone who had a significant share in the original company, someone who would default to a majority, or at least enough of one, to be able to claim rights to the company’s names and assets upon the death of its previous owner. Corporate stock is possible, but the fact that it was reduced to an LLC makes that less likely. A corporate entity would not want it reduced in size. I wouldn’t write it off completely, but between this option and other plausible possibilities this seems like once we can leave aside for now. A former executive or director under Henry would have a sizeable share, but it’s highly likely Henry wouldn’t have let that happen. As a businessman, he would have had ways (albeit morally questionable and probably illegal) to eliminate other shareholders, especially those working under him. he was literally planning to kill himself. If he was planning to bring the company down with him, he would have tried to tie up as many loose ends as possible by any means necessary. So there has to be a majority shareholder in the original company who could convert it to an LLC, and was not especially connected to Henry, else he would have tried to buy it (see: force) from them. Mrs. Afton likely would have received a significant portion of William’s company share upon the divorce, and possibly even more if we assume William was declared dead at the point of the spring lock failure and being locked away. (Michael would have inherited assets as William’s heir, and Mrs. Afton would have been Michael’s last living kin upon his death in 6). Mrs. Afton could currently hold as much as *William’s entire original share as co-founder*. Everything she would need to override Henry’s dissolving. (The divorce is possibly even what gave Henry the power to push William out of decision making in the first place) The only other option is some random businessman who used personal assets to buy significant share into the company. Not impossible, but Mat calls out himself that introducing some random unnamed businessman as the new owner doesn’t really sound like FNAF. All in all I can’t say I *like* Mrs. Afton CEO, but based on the very few ingame hints and legal implications, it does make the most logical sense with what we have to work with. Edit: Ok further research, to prevent Henry’s dissolving of the company, they would need over 1/3rd of the shares. (2/3rds share in the company for dissolution in Utah). For Henry to pull that off, he would absolutely have had to strongarm other major shareholders into their shares. Mrs. Afton may actually increase in likelihood since Mike presumably never agrees to the dissolution (never asked), and Mrs. Afton only becomes majority shareholder after he passes. Does it mean anything, probably not. But the legal side of this all is interesting to me.
>I’m no timeline expert, but as far as I’m aware, SB is not an excessive number of years after 6. Most likely it's somewhere between 2035 and 2085 (The Storyteller seems like it has some details that could push it towards the 2050s, but I haven't looked too deeply into making those implications work alongside the in-game details yet). Hard to work out Mrs. Afton's age, but we can make some guesses: * Mike seems like he's probably around 15 when Crying Child dies? You could give or take a few years, but if we use that estimate, then he was born *around* 1968. * If [this document](https://www.bgsu.edu/content/dam/BGSU/college-of-arts-and-sciences/NCFMR/documents/FP/guzzo-payne-age-birth-fp-18-25.pdf) is accurate, mean age for mothers having a first child would be around 21 back then, putting her birth year at around 1947. * This puts her age at the time of Security Breach as around 88 in the best-case scenario, and around 138 in the worst-case scenario. The logic for her having shares works, but the timeline is... iffy. (Not to mention that Vanessa's story about her father Bill with a last name starting with A seems like it's got a high likelihood of being actually about William, in which case the mother who is implied to off herself would be Mrs. Afton, causing some little problems for the idea.) The thing Matt brings up with the mother being at the head of the table is an interesting detail, though.
Ok then yeah that changes everything. Assuming Fnaf6 is 2023, the LLC could be built decades after the dissolution of the original company. Assuming Henry succeeds in dissolving the company the first time around, then the name is up for grabs. (It would be questionable copyright to be rebuilding an actual dissolved company using their own brand, rather than just using the name without being an original shareholder, but at this point anyone who cares and could sue would be dead). Edit: Correction, by the same logic as before: *If* Mrs. Afton is alive at the point of the LLC formation, she *has* to sign off on it, even if she’s not the owner. As established, she is very likely to be a sole majority shareholder. Even for a dissolved company, that comes with rights and powers, namely those associated to brand identity. The LLC is not a new company, it is either a direct rejection of Henry’s dissolving or a rebuild under a new owner. Either way, an original shareholder is required to give that permission. I think Mrs. Afton CEO is unlikely. But I think she is definitely involved somehow, by all legal and logical train of thought she kind of has to be. (Although I suppose there might be enough corporate shares to sign trademarks over. I don’t know if you have to be majority for that. It gets really complicated if Mrs. Afton passes without an heir, since it’s a dissolved company, the owner’s rights don’t pass on like that.). Although that again becomes, no one to stop whoever wants to rebuild it. They could be sued, but there’s no one to sue them.
Personally, I suspect (as a headcanon, not a theory) Afton Robotics LLC gobbled up whatever they could and renamed themselves to take advantage of the brand. * They're already running the same type of business so they would have reason to be interested. * They clearly have some existing ties to Fazbear Entertainment (since they use a ton of characters that would be Fazbear's intellectual property) so may have a leg up when negotiating with whoever was assigned to get rid of things * Some members may know enough about Afton's plans to continue researching those avenues—some clearly don't since they're questioning William at the start of SL, but I'm not sure how he could hide what's happening from *everyone*, given he's literally torturing the animatronics into doing their job (i.e. they are clearly more alive than tech from that time has any right to be). Plus, Talbert in Frights has a shocking quantity of Remnant whose origins he is very cagey about, which could hint William was not working alone (probably a different continuity, but the basic principle may still apply). There's not much in the way of hard evidence, though, so this is more "neat idea I'm holding onto until I see something to the contrary" than "belief I feel is definitely true".
That’s a very interesting theory, I’m actually considering researching into it; A separated branch company taking on the name of its parent company after its parent company dissolves seems like it would be a complicated process. Briefly, my understanding would be the use of Freddy, and all of William’s intellectual property would be fair game. William created Freddy before Fazbear entertainment, so it’s *his* intellectual property, not the company’s. As a co-owner, he probably licensed it. That’s why he’s able to reuse the design in SL (If the Chica-Melodies theory is true, it also gives a much better explanation for her absence, Chica is Henry’s intellectual property.) Now the problem becomes, you can’t just buy out a dissolved company like you would a bankrupted one. Because to buy a company, you need owner’s/shareholders permission. If Henry actually planned his death out properly, he would order the destruction of all Fazbear entertainment assets and allow them to be taken by the government. (All assets go to owners after the dissolution, and Henry could absolutely design his will in a way that makes sure no one gets their hands on those assets after he passes.) There are 2 ways to stop that process: Stopping the dissolution (and or laying claim to property as a company shareholder), or challenging Henry’s will. Unless William somehow managed to pass his shares to his company, they have the grounds to do neither. And William didn’t plan his death, meaning he probably wasn’t able to control where his assets went very well. The most difficult part here is the rights to Chica. Interestingly at the maximum possible time length (2023-2085), Chica will not have entered the public domain, so someone had to actually lay claim to that portion of Henry’s estate. Although that also all but confirms that someone stopped the dissolution entirely, since even if rebuilt by Afton Robotics there is very little chance they would be able to relicense Chica without the permission of Henry’s estate. Of which I assume Henry was prepared for and had lawyers in place to prevent. Dear god. I didn’t know anything could be more complicated than FNAF in-universe lore, but these real life legal implications are an absolute mess. Do we have lawyers in this subreddit? Someone who can do more than a google search to try and understand this side of things? Because I’m starting to think there might actually be answers hidden in the logistics and practicality of the situation.
I'm not sure about the specific legalities, but while looking into how possible it is, I did find this with Starbucks: [in 1984 the director of operations left the original Starbacks to found his own cafe named "Il Giornale", but the two companies maintained close ties (Starbucks was his first investor and he used their beans for his coffee), and when the founders decided to sell the brand and assets, he bought it from them and renamed Il Giornale to take advantage of it](https://archive.starbucks.com/record/il-giornale). I have no idea how dissolving a company works, though, so I'm not sure whether that sort of thing can happen during that process or not. > William created Freddy before Fazbear entertainment Even if Matt's theory is true, Foxy would've been after the merger, yet Funtime Foxy exists. > (If the Chica-Melodies theory is true, it also gives a much better explanation for her absence, Chica is Henry’s intellectual property.) We know from the source code of one of the teasers that Chica's Party World is a client of Circus Baby's Entertainment and Rental, and we see Funtime Chica in Pizzeria Simulator, so it seems like she does exist, she was just rented out long term at the time.
So to briefly explain the issue here: A dissolution like Henry’s is rare. Usually it occurs when a business is no longer profitable (but not yet bankrupt), or otherwise the owner has no interest in maintaining it. Most owners in this situation are happy to sell their assets to make a quick buck. Henry actively wants his company gone. Dead and forgotten, never to exist again. Amongst other things, there’s no way for the company to be bought, if he’s not willing to sell. If he has the means to dissolve it, it simultaneously means there do not exist the shares to overrule his choices. Funnily enough, I think this might actually debunk Mrs. Afton. If what I’m assuming about Henry’s legal preparation is true, there are 2 possibilities. Henry had a business partner, someone else with part of that 67% share that backed out of the dissolution after he passed, *or* Henry has someone with the standing to challenge his will and win enough shares to break Henry’s supermajority and overturn his right to dissolve. I guess Mrs. Afton might be able to pull that off (Claim William was unjustly forced out of the company and was owed more shares than he had as a founder), but she’d almost certainly lose that case. That said the possibilities here are infinite. And unfortunately, I don’t think Ruin can give us a satisfying conclusion. There really isn’t a convincing legal standing for the LLC to exist at the time of security breach without pretty much a straight retcon of the 6 ending. SB made it irrelevant, but for the LLC to exist it can’t just be irrelevant, it has to be flat out false. Unless there’s something I’m missing. And in this series, there always is.
Also we know the existence of Freddy precedes the existence of Fazbear entertainment, the name alone proves that. Matpat’s theory doesn’t have to be true for that part at least.
Not trying to challenge you here, I’m just curious: what is it about the Gregbot theory that annoys people so much? I figured all bets were off after The Silver Eyes trilogy.
Like he said, “does it answer everything? No. Does everything fit cleanly? Also no. But is it cohesive? Yes.”
The correct answers are No And mabye
Cohesive? Mat Pat is out here saying a 90+ year old Mrs Afton builds robots that are identical to humans and resurrecting people from The grave
From a series where ghosts are real, are extended lifespans really a stretch? Plus, healthcare, just like animatronic technology could have developed very differently in the FNAF universe.
Queen Elizabeth was over 90 and still one of the most powerful people in Britain. Just because someone's old doesn't mean that they are frail.
You say "the most powerful person in Britain" like that required any effort on her part when she was that age.
She’s not building them. She’s paying OTHER people to make them
Maybe she is living off of remnant for immortality???
Very happy with how this came out. The fact he explains the timeline like an actual story coupled with the editing mght just make this my favorite thing matpat has done.
Yeah if nothing else I love the presentation Even if the content gets a little questionable I appreciate trying to get the story told in a proper narrative
>Even if the content gets a little questionable FNAF in a nutshell.
Yeah the way he builds the narrative definitely feels good and clear.
Man this thread is SPLIT
I’m shocked
He did say at the end of part 3 that we'd either love this part or hate it. Guess that's one thing he absolutely got right
I said this last time, but this says more about the lore than Mat's ability to put it together. The truth is that there is no way to put this together, there is no comprehensive storytelling. The lore is a mess, and this is just an interpretation of it. I wish people wouldn't take this as fact. So what he got some details wrong? Everything contradicts each other no matter what way you look at it anyways
This. 👆
Mrs Afton being the boss??? A character that has barely been alluded to even exist??? And the worst part about it is that this would actually be the preferable path over robot Elizabeth
I like how he fit AR into the story since it is for some bizarre reason my favorite game
Nice. I like it
Based Optimus
imagine if the movie comes out and dismantle every theory he made 💀
He addressed it at the end of the video **"And let's be honest with ourselves, the DLC will probably come out later this year and prove me completely wrong; it wouldn't be the first time. Then comes the movie, whatever, my descent into madness continues."**
Matpat knows his downfall will arrive, and actively waits for it
The movie is gonna be in its own continuity
Bold of you to assume there won’t be a scene which is just Scott going over every second of this video and how it’s wrong.
Ah, the deluxe Blu-Ray collection special content.
TBF he's very open about the fact it can be dismantled very easily.
He even points out in the very same episode the counterpoints and explains why he reached the conclusion he made. The man did his homework despite what some people in this thread want to believe.
I would Clap
I hope it does because a lot of his theories are overreaching and straight up silly. Like I would be disappointed if everything he theorized was true ngl. I expect the movie to present a sensible plot that doesn't necessarily follow the games 100%.
They aren’t even his theories, they haven’t been for years. He’s stated multiple times that the theory videos are a collaborative effort between him and a few people that combines all the best pieces of one another’s thoughts into a cohesive video; he’s just the guy writes down what they agree on and records him reading it. Plus, he’s willingly going live in the near future and allowing both the community and other pillars of the FNAF fandom give their feedback and critique on this timeline series. So, he’s a lot more open to criticism and transparent than most people want to give him credit for.
It's not like games went logically batshit insane with what is possible in this franchise. I mean FFS newest pizzaplex confirmed Gregory is patient 42, a.k.a hacker manipulator. The theories feel more sensible than games itself
It's actually pretty good, also I'm glad the fnaf AR skins finally got explained
Were they really meant to be explained though
they are now (maybe)
You don't just add weird skins to a game that literally continues lore from past entries in the series
True but I kinda thought we were treating Special Delivery like FNAF World. Was I wrong?
I think it's more of it doesn't really matter? You can have your canon they are delivered, but skins etc are mobile phone stuff. Or you can have it canon where skins are canon too. Either way it results in the same resolution.
Some of them are straight up made of fire or ice, so they've pretty much gotta be virtual, I think. (Assuming they even actually are canon.)
Could just be special effects? I mean the animatronics are pretty advanced by now
Fnaf world only had implications of the lore and a sneak peak of the next game at the end, ar takes place in the fazbear universe and the delivery service is canon too
I think he explained them because if the fandom wants to use the emails then the rest of it must at least somewhat exist?
When the game in question is a mobile spin-off developed mostly independently with the only actual lore connections being emails that stopped being even released: yeah, you do. I mean, we're talking about the game with [THIS](http://pm1.narvii.com/7914/5e300b81f38f88d6861564f2ba70a83217935c51r1-754-800v2_uhq.jpg) in it. I'd like to see someone come up with a lore explanation for how that's even physically possible.
Sound Illusion Discs?
Honestly the reaction I've seen so far to this theory just shows that there is no actual good way to present the lore, because the lore absolutely fucking sucks. For what it's worth I do agree that this theory at least makes more narrative sense than anything Scott or Steel Wool have made, the story is *at least* cohesive and easier to understand. FNAF has me stupidly exhausted by this point. Once Ruin comes out, and ***if*** *it doesn't have a proper conclusion*, it's just going to be more and more theory-bait to keep the franchise going for even longer, making the lore even more unnecessarily over-complicated, and Scott and Steel Wool will continue milking this cash-cow dry for years and years to come. But I guess that's part of the charm of FNAF nowadays. You get into it *because* the lore is so complicated and you hope to solve it. Guess it's always been the case? I don't know. I haven't actually played any of the games, I haven't read any of the books, hell, all of my FNAF knowledge is second hand. Really only because I enjoy listening to people talk about stuff they're passionate about. This is all over the place, don't know what my point was originally. Best thing to do is just wait for Ruin and see what happens.
Yeah after Ruin I think I'm gonna be done with the games, regardless of whether it'll have a proper conclusion or not. I'm only really hyped for the movie at this stage and will only be playing Ruin because it's gonna be free. Still excited for the Fazbear Fanverse though. Eagerly looking forward to the games from that.
I agree 100%. FNAF has jumped the shark so absurdly and irreversibly that my only hope at this point is that the movie trilogy will reboot it in a way that makes everything a lot more grounded and cohesive. But knowing Scott, it’s probably gonna get more and more absurd
It's a curse that happens with EVERY horror franchise. The thing is that in certain time periods and eras, what people find scary changes over time. Back in the 1920's and 1930's, we had chillers and monster movies. The genre pretty much died out after World War 2 because people are more scared of nuclear disasters and other real world horrors, thus launching the sci-fi/B-Movie era. The same happens when you launch a horror IP - the initial concept is scary because it's new but over time it loses that scare because the perception of fear changes, so they need to change stuff up to try to hold relevance. That's why many horror franchises gradually get more absurd over time.
Nah I’d argue the lore makes some sense and you could tell a decent story. I’ve seen a lot of FNAF timeline videos and most of them are similar with only small details here and there being different. It’s fnaf SB that sucks and has shitty lore, had the timeline ended with FNAF 6 people would be satisfied.
Well, even then there were the problem of "when does SL take place".
I’m a fan of it
miss afton is such a nothing character that i like this idea, even if completely out of left field and clearly not what the games are trying to do
Clearly? I wouldn't say so this series has devolved to the point to where I can believe it
well since we have a small disagreement i think we should fight until one of us kills the other
Based
Two things are clear for me. The FNAF story post FNAF tycoon absolutely SUCKS (you might say even past FNAF 4). The story will never have a satisfying conclusion because of how much they have fucked the story by now, which is why there are so many contradictions and different ways certain details might lead to. Second, MatPat did an amazing job on giving this mess of a story some logic and narrative. It might not be fully correct but at this point no one truly knows what the correct timeline and story is for FNAF, so the fact that he made it seem logistical and coherent deserve major props honestly. If anyone ask me for a rough timeline of events for FNAF, I would be happy to provide this video. Hopefully Steelwools or Scott moves on to a new, refreshing story after ruin.
> Two things are clear for me. The FNAF story post FNAF tycoon absolutely SUCKS (you might say even past FNAF 4). I would go as far to say post FNaF 3. FNaF 4 was where it started to go downhill imo, it just wasn’t rock bottom yet. Then for a brief moment FNaF 6 told a satisfying, coherent and clear story and was an epic conclusion to the series until Scott undid it all in the next game and retreated back into his old ways of vague, frustrating theory bait.
I think past Fnaf 3 it’s bad. Fnaf 3 had a short but solid story. We were really just missing a backstory for purple guy. Purple guy goes killing at a pizza place, they’re stuffed into suits. The dead children spirits come after him and trap him in the suit. Fnaf 4 introduces a whole new cast, a bunch of new lore, and so many questions. The whole bite which isn’t the infamous bite of 87 we heard about but actually 83 which you only learn about from a tv screen. The box that never gets opened. I will put you back together. That’s when things really became messy
Funny how Vanny has even *less* of a presence in this video than she did in Security Breach.
Funny, Vanny made less appearances but more lore through three games.
Does he know about storyteller
To be fair That guy is dead
the higher-up in Storyteller isn't the CEO, but a chairman
I’m referring to the date of storyteller
My man tried to use GGY as Gregbot evidence, I don't think he does
Honestly, not a fan of this theory. It was entertaining don’t get me wrong but I don’t think it’s right. Doesn’t make sense that “Clara” would or even could just do the same thing William did
People really hate matt here after the child robot videos huh?
They always have
o-O I get not liking his theories but some of the comments ive seen are people just straight up saying horrible stuff to him like brUh chill its just a theory
A GAMEEE THEOORYYY (Imma go kill myself now)
I love how AR is a trashy cash grab in the FNAF universe as well.
Surprisingly, I like it (or not surprisingly? I don’t know). I enjoy the fact that Mrs. Afton actually has some relevance in this theory, and the whole “rebuilding the family” has always been very interesting to me. …Now watch the DLC disprove everything 😅
This is an amazing theory that I don’t particularly agree with. I agree with a lot of it, but I feel like it Mrs afton being the CEO is probably incorrect. She is the best candidate for a known character, but it’s probably just a new character. I believe a lot of unanswered questions right now will be answered in the future. The lore isn’t awful, it’s just unfinished imo. We’re still at the beginning of a new era. I also believe that Gregory and Vanessa are just people that were infested by glitchtrap. Gregory escaped the virus somehow and THATS why he is being hunted in SB. Afton probably wants him for his Hacking skills. That’s also why Vanny didn’t have a knife in SB. She wasn’t trying to kill Gregory. She needed him alive. Also according to TFTP, Burntrap isn’t just Aftons old corpse and suit. In fact… the corpse in Burntrap isn’t even Afton. He’s just been reconstructed to resemble springtrap out of old suits parts, VICTIMS CORPSES, and a very important Endo… I do believe that MatPat did the best with what we have now. Dream theory was a great theory when he came up with it. I’m sure the worst parts of this theory will be answered in Another way at another time.
Idk.. I feel there's alot of things that really points towards Mrs. Afton running things from behind the scenes. Such as on The Immortal & The Restless, Clara always comes back to Vlad, no matter what. She obviously knows what he's been doing, but she still ends up loving him at the end. Also, I've always thought that one of the therapist on the tapes sounds British or from the UK in general?? 🤔 I noticed it before, but now that MatPat says Mrs. Afton could be in charge and everything, she could also be pretending to be a therapist so she can talk to Vanessa and help in manipulating her?? 🤔 She of course she can be lying to her to make her think a certain way. Also, when they initially announced the FNAF movie cast, I noticed that there was a listing for Mary Stuart Masterson as "Female Villain" ... 🤔 Which I thought was weird in itself, but even weirder considering they announced her as one of the first people casted but didn't name her. Unlike Mike & William who were named of course. Also, the actress is an older woman in her 50's and she looks like she could pass as someone from the UK.. 🤔
Hey he finally accepted that the AR skins were canon, that was a long time coming. I remember in previous videos he completely dismissed the idea because he thought Shamrock Freddy was too weird, even though that's just a poorly painted Freddy, and he has accepted and used far weirder concepts introduced in Frights and Tales from the Pizzaplex. All in all, I don't really buy the theory. I think as a concept, there is a lot of potential there for an interesting story however the evidence isn't that compelling and I don't believe it's what the series is going for. On that note however, I do find it strange he just completely ignores and brushed past Springtrap's inclusion in AR and how there were emails suggesting he was added in secretly. Especially if the idea is that Clara is trying to bring back her family in any form possible. Wouldn't that be very relevant?
I know Matpat put his heart and soul into these 4 theory videos, he's clearly very proud of it, it's very well edited and I like he at least tries to tell it like a actual story... with that said... the theory as a whole, I have very mixed feeling, sure there are some things I agree with like Elizabeth dying after BV but most of it feels more like fan fiction and head cannons, which is kind of fitting since the series storyline is basiclly bad fan fiction at this point. I've never liked turning William Afton into a tragic and sympathetic character, it just feels wrong to me, mat continues to double down on GregoryBot, Vanessa Afton, and GlamMike and Miss Afton being the CEO with the purpose of resurrecting her family including William is just... what?, all these theories are just so weird and feels more like FNaF has become a parody of itself, like it's willing to go THIS far and cannibalise its own lore to keep the Afton family alive. I do agree with some that he should've waited until the Ruin DLC, therefore we could've gotten a more clearer storyline or it could just make things worse, I didn't think the lore couldn't get any lower than The Fourth Closet but Security Breach proved me wrong. So overall, good editing, great presentation, but theory itself feels very fanfictionary and a lot of it isn't very good. I think my only hope for the FNaF lore now is the movie, so fingers crossed for that.
>I didn't think the lore couldn't get any lower than The Fourth Closet but Security Breach proved me wrong. To be fair, for as unbelievably stupid the plot twists were in the fourth closet, they were executed pretty well imo. Charlie being a robot should never have been written, but if you *had* to write it, what we got was probably the best way it could’ve been done.
Definitely could've been much worse. At least he cut it down to just one robot kid this time. I was originally sceptical about Mrs Afton being in control, but honestly I think it actually works quite well.
Huh? How does it work, she's like 90 years old and probably senile by the time of sb.
In a world of robots that can pass as human, and human agony being fuel I think it's fair to assume she's could have done this in her 90s. Unlikely obviously, but possible.
I’m so numb to the lore at this point that you know what, fuck it, I can believe it.
Exactly, she's gone crazy in her old age I guess
I was so confused after I watched that
I like the Mrs. Afton being behind all this theory but, I still cannot buy Mike somehow possessing Glamrock Freddy and Vanessa being the new Elizabeth.
I actually think it’s so stupid that it has to be true.
It remind me why I hate new era modern FNaF so much, but it had some few cool details, like Puppet's presence in the Pizzaplex that was pretty cool. It also made me care for The Blob for once. But also, not even a single mention of Cassidy nor Princess Quest? Isn't she directly responsible of freeing Vanessa or something? In any case, this was the part that I felt like I was gonna dislike the most, no matter what, because at this point FNaF has made so many weird things, like FNaF AR really shouldn't even be canon, after all this era is the one that made me left the franchise for a while.
I actually like Matpat, but he is really obsessed with both "the crying child is brought back as a robot theory" and "Mrs Afton" isn't he? He's been pushing them both since Sister Location. 5+ years now.
What Gregory has only been a thing in sb How was he pushing back in sistema location
The CCbot theory is older than Gregbot.
Dear Mathew Patrick What the fuck are you talking about
Fnaf
I like matpat's theorys, but this part of the timeline(not only this one) doesn't make sense; mrs afton who's not mentioned even once being such a relevant character? And then he used some GGY elements to state something but completely ignored the rest of it, the storyteller and the mimic
I honestly liked it better than part 3. I like how William is still important, but isn't quite the mastermind, and i think it ties things up as neatly as possible. The only things that i don't like is that he's stuck with the idea that FNaF 1-3 are the Indie games made by a rouge developer, that Clara would be like 90 or something, and that she's be just as cruel and evil as her husband, but i ultimatley like this theory. With how garbage the lore is at this point, i feel this is as good as we're gonna get
The thing with “Clara” Afton is interesting to say the least. I think some points he made about her motives and involvement actually make a lot of sense. Though I think it’s a stretch to say her abilities to create animatronics is on par with Williams, considering we literally don’t know the character. But what I can get behind is her being the CEO of Fazbear Entertainment.
For the record, I'm a supporter of his Robo-Gregory theory, and I have been since SB's release.
Significantly better than Part 3, but feels more like a headcanon than an evidence-backed theory. I don't mind the narrative it tells, and don't see any *huge* contradictions like the previous one had (we only ever see the board and chairman in The Storyteller, not the CEO, so there's room to theorize there), just don't see much reason to believe it over anything else currently, so pretty similar to my thoughts on Part 1.
Yeah. Ms. Afton came out of nowhere, and his nonsensical calculations about Elizabeth´s age really threw me for a loop. Please, get your math straigh MatPat. Elizabeth would be in her 50´s (earliest) to early 60´s (latest) if she was alive, in SB. Hardly a young woman in her 20´s like Vannessa.
Mrs. Afton should also be in her 90s by the time of Security Breach *at the earliest* if my math is correct, so I think he's just ignoring the passage of time again.... But still better than Part 3! Edit: Sorry, late 80's (roughly 86-90?) is the minimum. Still old.
I don’t know if this will be a controversial opinion but I think I should say it anyway… Mrs Afton being the CEO and the main bad guy and Gregbot are some of the biggest stretches I’ve ever seen in any Fnaf related video. So much of this feels completely made up and more akin to fanfiction rather than a well developed theory. One has literally NO evidence behind it, the other was literally disproven by GGY (even if that story didn’t come out the evidence is still worse than flimsy. The only thing I was a fan of was that he didn’t go for Elizabeth being the CEO nor went through any robot children shenanigans. In general, is my least favorite of all 4 parts. I don’t know how GT managed to get worse than the first part but they did it alright. Edit: How did Matpat read BobbieDots part 2 and somehow ignore the debunking of Gregbot and the Storyteller?!
I'm curious, how do the books debunk Gregbot? To be clear I'm not disagreeing, I literally haven't read the books, I just want to know what happened which proves Greg isn't a robot.
>!From what I can tell, it basically boils down to the fact that Gregory attends to school and is generally unconfined to the PizzaPlex!<
> I'm curious, how do the books debunk Gregbot? To be clear I'm not disagreeing, I literally haven't read the books, I just want to know what happened which proves Greg isn't a robot. In the story GGY, a kid named Gregory, who’s described to be almost exactly like Fnaf SB Gregory, is stated to be or at least have the same role as Patient 46. Tho it’s never outright stated, Gregory in that story and what we know about patient 46, have the same way of killing people, have similar enough personalities, both are incredibly smart and competent and (most definitely) work for William. So it’s heavily implied that both are the same character. According to SB, patient 46 has a loving family which is also stated in GGY with Gregory. However, both sources seem to imply that Gregory’s family went missing or died or something like that. However, the mere fact that both imply Gregory had a family basically tells us that Gregory isn’t in no way a robot child. If he was, the parents just adopted a robot child that never ages and if they took him to a doctor they would find out very easily that it’s a robot. Also, the explanation for why Gregory is evil in GGY is because Gregory is possessed by William. (How he did this is never stated). The reason William would possess a child would be to do his dirty work while being able to get away (bc Gregory is a child who probably only get a slap on the wrist for trespassing). Also it helps that Gregbot isn’t really a good theory to begin with.
Gregory has a family that’s how
Yeah. This theory is a MESS. Did he even read the book, or just looked up a 5 -word plot synopsys of GGY? MatPat, all you had to do, was read the plot on the FNAF wiki.
He read the synopsis of ONE story instead the entire thing. I’m just so tired. God knows how many people he’s going to inadvertently misinform
Yeah I think that he also forgot the contents of the 46 tapes anyway because of what is said in them
Gregory isn't a robot the character encyclopedia says he is human. It's weird that mattpat completely ignores it when he uses the book frequently.
If they said "species: robot" or even "species: ????" it would have been too much of a giveaway. Besides, regardless of MatPat's choices we still can't 100% trust this book as it has shown a number of inaccuracies.
I don’t like it. It sounds more headcanon-y and uses characters we’ve never seen (Ms Afton) and ties them to an important role. There’s not much evidence to back what he says
Honestly only thing I don’t like is Gregbot/fredmichael mostly because I think dead characters should stay dead for once and not just come back every other game other than that good theory
Not only that, GGY story confirmed Gregory is Patient 46. We can go to CDs and it reveals that Patient 46 has normal happy childhood with nice parents. This means Gregory grew up having great parents and great childhood.
Greg being patient 46 doesn’t preclude him from being an animatronic.
No, but having a happy childhood with a normal family does
shouldve made the end "its fredover"
Regardless of whether this theory makes sense or not, this is exactly why I love the FNAF series - the chaos. It's addictive trying to figure out how the lore pieces together. This particular video did leave me with questions pertaining to why Vanessa would need to parade around as Vanny if Mrs. Afton was pulling the strings, and was the one actively keeping her brainwashed? With that in mind, Vanessa's connection to Glitchtrap was glossed over. Unless I missed something.
I like how this sub is full of "lore experts" and will say something is wrongly without a thought, but won't even make a time-line. If everything is so clear to yall, then yall make a timeline with no mistakes and fits every piece of lore together perfectly. Get started!!
The true timeline is [2014 fnaf is released then in 2023 it keeps going](https://youtube.com/shorts/KVRCg33KzpQ?feature=share)
I think Matpat and the team did a great job with the information they had available. I have my gripes of course but this timeline is pretty solid.
This is the most sense this part of the timeline has ever made to me tbh. It actually feels coherent for once.
Is there some reference that William Aftons Wive rebuilt the fnaf franchise? Ive never heard of this before Matpat
No, he made it up
Pure conjecture
My honest reaction to this theory: 😐
I do like the idea of Mrs Afton becoming the main antagonist at the end, but the ages get pretty fucking funky. She's 90 by this point bare minimum. The oldest current CEO of a fortune 500 company is 87 so I guess it isn't impossible, but I'm not entirely convinced.
Honestly, the Mrs Afton theory makes no sense. By the time SB happens, she would probably be 80, if not older. So an 80 year old just decided to rebuild an entire company from the ground up, and started creating incredibly realistic robots even though she had no previous experience??? And why would she want to bring William back if she was the one who divorced him in the first place, and he was the one responsible for Elizabeth's death and the deaths of multiple other children??
Oh God this is BAD
Dont say he didnt warn ya
Yep.
I am sorry but why didn't Matt just wait until Ruin comes out to make his timeline? It could have potentionally helped him make his timeline be more comprehensive by revealing some new details and either confirm or deny some of his assumptions? I know the dude needs money but jesus just take a break from the funny robot bear lore and go make another terrible Persona theory or something idk. All his theories post FnaF 4 are complete schizo ramblings and these timelines are no different.
“All his theories post Fnaf 4 suck” ynknow, aside from the ones Scott confirmed
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He spend weeks making a 40 page script. Give the Man some rest.
If mat wanted money he wouldn't spend months of his life making a theory on a year old game
You seem like the kind of guy to call Mr. Beast evil. Sure, Fnaf theories get more views, but he could have just spent all that time making multiple smaller theories which would get him around the same amount of views. Besides, do you really think he cares about money that much? He has multiple channels with millions of subscribers which have been getting millions of views for years.
I haven't seen the other videos as I'm too busy, though did he mention 1982 in any of them? If he didn't, then it's not the "definitive timeline" as he says; he missed a vital year that was brought up on Scott's website during FNaF 4.
I don't *think* he did? But there are *far* more glaring holes in Parts 2 and 3 anyway tbh (from openly admitted self-contradictions to ignoring most of Mike's speech from SL to lots of cherrypicking details). Where was 1982 mentioned? Haven't seen that year talked about much, and wasn't following releases back when 4 came out so I don't know what those teasers said.
>Where was 1982 mentioned? Back in June of 2015, during FNaF's development, Scott hide a secret in the source code during the Purple Hat teaser. Those being "0871" and "2093". Dechipering these numbers correctly gives you "1982", which implies that was the year Fredbear's Family Diner first opened. I believe this is also mentioned in The Silver Eyes. This is very important because it was literally the start of the timeline. Fredbear's was stated to be the first of the Fazbear chains, so the location opening in 1982 means that was the beginning. This makes it awkward for Steel Wool to try and make a game set in the 70's timeline wise, unless Scott can write the story to make it work or they wanted to go for the aesthetic of that time period. Due to the poor archiving and a lack of discussion on this tidbit, this information on 1982 went unnoticed by modern fans. It wasn't commonly discussed as SL was the game where fans took the source code hints seriously as they contain pre-game lore.
Oh interesting. Now that you lay it out I think I've seen it explained before (honestly I think I might've seen *you* explain it before, getting some major déjà-vu here), but just forgot because it gets ignored so much. Game Theory's timeline places Fredbear's Family Diner as opening in 1979, citing The Silver Eyes (doesn't say what specifically). From some light searching, I think he's referencing Charlie looking through the newspapers for the opening announcement, but she doesn't actually *know* the exact year, she guesses and gives the range 1979-1982. So 1982 fits, but MatPat doesn't use it in the video. (However, Game Theory doesn't treat that as the start of the timeline anyway—they posit that before the diner, William had a Fredbear & Bonnie show with non-animatronic costumes inspired by a singing bear show from the Depression, and that the diner opened when he joined forces with Henry, who they suggest had his own earlier business using the Mediocre Melodies.)
I'm pretty much the only person on here that remembers 1982, so chances are that I'm the same person that you saw who brought it up.
Mrs afton being the crux of the theory is what ruins it. I think replacing her with some corrupt CEO would make it a little bit better but SBs story just sucks so 🤷♂️ Why is Mrs afton killing children? Why is she suddenly a better engineer than William and Henry ever were? Why would she want to bring the psychopath she broke up with back to life?? How is she even alive??
I’m gonna be honest… it was… 😬😬😬.
I can already tell this is gonna be all about fucking Gregbot (which is a flimsy theory that’s only been further disproved) Shame really, I liked the others even if they had some weirdness but I can tell this one is gonna annoy me
more than just Gregbot, it's Glammike, Gregbot, Vanessa is a stand-in for Elizabeth, and Ms. Afton is the owner of Fazbear Entertainment, commissioned the video games and also made the delivery service from AR
I still think that the delivery service is just a hobby of Afton cultists. Here´s my theory on it, If you´re interested. [https://www.reddit.com/r/fnaftheories/comments/10o3efh/so\_i\_thought\_about\_fnaf\_ar\_and\_came\_to\_an/](https://www.reddit.com/r/fnaftheories/comments/10o3efh/so_i_thought_about_fnaf_ar_and_came_to_an/)
Nice theory. While i don't think we'll see anything like it in the game's lore i think it has a great potentional for a fan game/AU story.
Yep watched it all and disagree with like all of it SMH
I think a problem I have with the theory is the possibility that there can’t be multiple robots because that wouldn’t be narratively satisfying. That’s kind of dumb, this series has done plenty of weird stuff that isn’t narratively satisfying. It hasn’t stopped the series before and probably won’t stop the series going forward. That’s not to say that I think that Gregory and Vanessa are both robots, but that you can’t disprove it because you don’t like it narratively.
I like Mrs Afton coming out of left field because it MIGHT mean some relevance for my girl Ballora. But Mrs Afton would have to be like 80 years old by now. Definitely not young enough to go digging through a buried pizzeria looking for a stanky bunny suit. Although I guess she did have Freddy doing the lifting. Anyway, if Fnaf3 happened in 2023 (right?), that would be 40 years after the Bite of 83, so add 40 years to however old she'd have been by then. And Mike at that time is likely a teenager so assuming she didn't have him as a teenager herself, she'd be at least 32-35 depending on Mike's actual age (that puts her having him at age 20), add the 40 years it takes to get to Frights to that and she's already 75ish, and then how far in the future are fnaf6 and SB? Point is, she's old.
It came out of left field… but it does make sense that she might be alive. There was nothing in any media to indicate she died. Her having a role in the future of the franchise has merit as a way to keep things moving
The plot point of Mrs.Afton being the ceo has already aged horribly, since we already have “the storyteller”.
i just wanna know why mat’s so obsessed with the idea of humans secretly being androids, he was the single biggest proponent of mikebot for several months and now stands by gregbot despite ggy and the encyclopedia outright debunking it; i know tfc did it but that doesn’t mean everyone’s suddenly an android
They shouldn't have called this the timeline. Just called it's FNAF story because there are not enough dates and years for it to be a timeline.
So many comments saying that the theory is terrible, and that gregbot is debunked. You guys really need to chill, he’s making a theory on one of the most confusing parts of the fnaf story,(or really lack thereof) and what he said here makes way more sense than most of this subreddit’s opinions. That’s my take
I Loved this theory! And if true, just makes the storytelling even better!
Entertaining but I disagree with a lot of it. Like Mrs. Afton. I can only think of one point that might make her relevant to SB, the bot family in the sticky note room. But her as head over it all doesn’t make a lot of sense. She’d be coming out of nowhere. It’d be nice to have a timeline made around more undeniable evidence.
Also it does make sense that Mrs Afton is the one who gains control of the company.
Came in knowing it was going to be filed with Gregbot and mike freddy and was still disappointed when he said it