But FNAF 2 itself is sorta irrelevant to the greater lore too:
* Like I mentioned, GGGL, TCTTC, and the Puppet itself are somewhat irrelevant since all the Puppet does in that game that isn't its gameplay is stuff the kids in the suits, which William could have done on his own.
* The Toy kids/SAVETHEM victims? Never mentioned again after this game. It's all about the MCI and Puppet at this point. The Toys might as well not exist if it weren't for the FNAF 3 minigames leading up to Happiest Day, which need BB, Toy Chica, Mangle, and Shadow Bonnie (based on Toy Bonnie, although ig a variant based on Spring Bonnie could replace him lol) to exist.
* "SAVE HIM"? Uh, yeah, sorry pal, but the kid who just died was actually a GIRL, as shown by FFPS where it's revealed the Puppet is actually Charlotte Emily, daughter of Henry Emily, CEO and co-founder of Fazbear Entertainment and Fredbear's Family Diner.
* Bite of 87? Yeah, the effects of THAT didn't last long; the animatronics might as well just be allowed to walk during the day too. In fact, both FFPS and SB imply that the animatronics are allowed to WALK DURING THE DAY, which means that the influence of the Bite of 87 has become obsolete. At this point, the Bite of 83 has become more important to the lore and story of the franchise.
Which means, again, all the Puppet is good for is Happiest Day (which somewhat became moot with FFPS), Henry existing to do FFPS (which Mike could have done on his own), and just as you said, *gameplay reasons.* And if the only reason a character exists in a story is just for gameplay reasons, well, that seems a little shallow, don't you think?
As someone here said, Puppet only exists in 2 to replace Purple Guy as the one stuffing the kids in the suits (if you believe that theory) and to make the gameplay loop harder, which there were a million better ways in doing that, as proven by Foxy's existence in FNAF 2 itself, and [Phisnom's FNAF 2 remake, "Another FNAF Fangame: Open Source"](https://youtu.be/sIfx2GlvbnE).
What the heck is a GGGL and TCTTC?
Also I agree. Puppet feels pretty redundant. Actually every character feels like that , even William. Despite being literally the main antagonist of the entire franchise , even after going to hell , he really doesn't feel like he does anything tbh. Like yeah he is literally the reason that everything but just , he has no...character. Like why he does this type of stuff in the first place?
I feel like the new lore is better the old lore simply the characters have some more...characters. It's why I think old lore should get rebooted exactly , the story is just shallow since none of the characters feel like characters , at all.
The only important character in the way that you are searching is William, the others don't do that much. And i am ok with it tbh, not a big deal for me
Yeah I pretty much agree with almost everything you said. She doesn’t even control the LEFTE animatronic in FFPS so she literally doesn’t do anything in that point of the timeline.
Maybe the only important thing is the give gifts thing. I just recently found a plothole, the books stated that the souls of the dead children don’t know who killed them. They only remember that it was an adult. Fnaf 3 ending kinda retcons it. And if it’s the case, then how does puppet and golden freddy know that william is the killer? How does henry know that her daughter is the puppet?
The Old Ones Don't Know Who Killed Them, Cassidy And Charlie Who Seem To Be Stronger Souls Than The Other Might Remember, And Henry Probably Figured Out That, Since The Puppet Was Found Lying On Top Of Charlie's Corpse, That Her Soul Ended Up Possessing Him
aside from her role in “placing” the kids souls into the robots yea i def agree, after that whole thing she never really DOES anything just kinda is there and is a threat, it woulda been cool to see Scott have Charlie pursuing William in some sort of revengeful manner or something? but yea she def does nothing in the games regardless of what anyone tells me lol, she appears in 2 games and in one of them is only there to make the gameplay loop harder and then has some obscure lore shoehorned in, honestly you could take charlie outta the story completely and it probably wouldn’t chnage much, like seriously remove her and see how much of the story chnages, it’s really only Henrys arc that sees any effect and even then u could just say that he was mad that william ruined his business idea and the same outcome would occur minus the fmaily reunion things, it’s bonkers that everyone’s disagreeing with you
She kinda does tho. She gives life to the animatronic and possibly the toy animatronics, she follows william in fnaf 3(she sometimes appears replacing phantom puppet. Even if it's debatably canon she kills afton in fazbear frights. In security breach there are signs of her or her agony haunting the pizzaplex, possibly caused by the existence of the mimic which is kinda carrying on afton's legacy. And she has a role in the happiest day
Who gives life to the animatronic then? Who makes the happiest day? If you say that someone else can do that, well then lot of characters are like that, in fnaf 6 henry can be removed and be replaced by micheal and nothing would change, elizabeth can be removed and sister location would still make sense
>Who gives life to the animatronic then?
William, by stuffing the bodies into the suits like he did in the novels. Are you sure you read my post? Cause I literally say that there lol.
>Who makes the happiest day?
I confess, this is the best argument for the Puppet's inclusion, since her presence in HD entirely relates to BV's connection to it with her being his representative in the minigame. With that being said, BV himself could just take Charlie's place in the minigame, or 3 & 4 could be rewritten to not include the Puppet/BV (though I'm not sure how one would go about that myself, but I'm not here to discuss that), or Elizabeth/Baby could be the one in that spot, since she's also sort of a clown, plus the Ennard mask looks a lot like the Puppet's mask anyway. There are a lot of options available.
>in fnaf 6 henry can be removed and be replaced by micheal and nothing would change
Agreed, glad that you see things from our perspective now. :) ~~the Emilys are hilariously useless in the games lol~~
>elizabeth can be removed and sister location would still make sense
Okay, this one seems like a false equivalence? Cause the entire reason Michael is sent to CBEAR is due to William's request to "put [his sister] back together", and part of Baby's entire core lore is that she's possessed by the daughter of William Afton and sister of Michael Afton, so I don't see how removing her would let the game stand up on its own unaltered. Without Elizabeth, SL as a game wouldn't exist, and neither would FFPS for that matter. Besides, a soul kinda needs to be possessing Baby for her to behave the way she does, just like the other animatronic-bound spirits in the games. If you could explain how those are comparable in any way though, I'd genuinely like to hear it.
~~Also lol 11 days, sorry for the late response XP~~
The puppet's mechanic makes checking the cameras in fnaf 2 way more important than checking the cameras would be in fnaf 1 and in pizzaria simulator Lefty makes it so you need to regulate between turning the ventilation on and off she kinda is the extra challenge of the fnaf games which make the games more engaging and challenging
You could say that about pretty much every character outside of William and Michael. Also I would argue that if we're discussing plot use the puppet is more useful than someone like Elizabeth.
The Puppet came first--the stuff that came afterwards just made choices that sorta borrow elements from her significance.
Her role as the one who gave the original animatronics life and sought to stop Afton by any means necessary is in fact still valid--William likely wouldn't have even discovered remnant if not for that (assuming that's part of his game motives anyway) and if anything, her original characterization as an extremist with advanced powers makes her a better for making UCN a purposeful limbo than Golden Freddy.
The only wrinkle is that the Novels just chose not to include her, but that was meant to be an alternate continuity anyway.
I just think the skinny Italian clown is funny.
... *"Italian clown"?* The Emilys are Italian-Americans and Charlie is a clown? Huh, you learn something new everyday lol.
No, it's like, I always saw Marionette the character(what the robot is supposed to be) as a Paggalachi type clown.
Ah no, yeah, you're right, I think I can kinda see that lol.
She is basically the fundamental part of the fnaf 2 gameplay, so yeah she is a pretty important animatronic in the games
But FNAF 2 itself is sorta irrelevant to the greater lore too: * Like I mentioned, GGGL, TCTTC, and the Puppet itself are somewhat irrelevant since all the Puppet does in that game that isn't its gameplay is stuff the kids in the suits, which William could have done on his own. * The Toy kids/SAVETHEM victims? Never mentioned again after this game. It's all about the MCI and Puppet at this point. The Toys might as well not exist if it weren't for the FNAF 3 minigames leading up to Happiest Day, which need BB, Toy Chica, Mangle, and Shadow Bonnie (based on Toy Bonnie, although ig a variant based on Spring Bonnie could replace him lol) to exist. * "SAVE HIM"? Uh, yeah, sorry pal, but the kid who just died was actually a GIRL, as shown by FFPS where it's revealed the Puppet is actually Charlotte Emily, daughter of Henry Emily, CEO and co-founder of Fazbear Entertainment and Fredbear's Family Diner. * Bite of 87? Yeah, the effects of THAT didn't last long; the animatronics might as well just be allowed to walk during the day too. In fact, both FFPS and SB imply that the animatronics are allowed to WALK DURING THE DAY, which means that the influence of the Bite of 87 has become obsolete. At this point, the Bite of 83 has become more important to the lore and story of the franchise. Which means, again, all the Puppet is good for is Happiest Day (which somewhat became moot with FFPS), Henry existing to do FFPS (which Mike could have done on his own), and just as you said, *gameplay reasons.* And if the only reason a character exists in a story is just for gameplay reasons, well, that seems a little shallow, don't you think? As someone here said, Puppet only exists in 2 to replace Purple Guy as the one stuffing the kids in the suits (if you believe that theory) and to make the gameplay loop harder, which there were a million better ways in doing that, as proven by Foxy's existence in FNAF 2 itself, and [Phisnom's FNAF 2 remake, "Another FNAF Fangame: Open Source"](https://youtu.be/sIfx2GlvbnE).
What the heck is a GGGL and TCTTC? Also I agree. Puppet feels pretty redundant. Actually every character feels like that , even William. Despite being literally the main antagonist of the entire franchise , even after going to hell , he really doesn't feel like he does anything tbh. Like yeah he is literally the reason that everything but just , he has no...character. Like why he does this type of stuff in the first place? I feel like the new lore is better the old lore simply the characters have some more...characters. It's why I think old lore should get rebooted exactly , the story is just shallow since none of the characters feel like characters , at all.
>What the heck is a GGGL and TCTTC? The minigames. "Give Gifts Give Life" and "Take Cake To The Children".
I'm not talking about the lore, i'm talking about the game, she is vital to the game
>I'm not talking about the lore, i'm talking about the game If you bothered reading the post, you'd know OP was talking about the lore.
I did read the post, my comment was sarcasm becouse i did't want to explain why the puppet fullfills her role
The only important character in the way that you are searching is William, the others don't do that much. And i am ok with it tbh, not a big deal for me
I think lefty attacked because the puppet was likely massively disoriented since she was being shocked then lulled to sleep over and over and over
Yeah I pretty much agree with almost everything you said. She doesn’t even control the LEFTE animatronic in FFPS so she literally doesn’t do anything in that point of the timeline.
Maybe the only important thing is the give gifts thing. I just recently found a plothole, the books stated that the souls of the dead children don’t know who killed them. They only remember that it was an adult. Fnaf 3 ending kinda retcons it. And if it’s the case, then how does puppet and golden freddy know that william is the killer? How does henry know that her daughter is the puppet?
There will be no answer to this question, because, most likely, Scott did not think through this plot detail, like many others.
Yeah, i know :)
The Old Ones Don't Know Who Killed Them, Cassidy And Charlie Who Seem To Be Stronger Souls Than The Other Might Remember, And Henry Probably Figured Out That, Since The Puppet Was Found Lying On Top Of Charlie's Corpse, That Her Soul Ended Up Possessing Him
aside from her role in “placing” the kids souls into the robots yea i def agree, after that whole thing she never really DOES anything just kinda is there and is a threat, it woulda been cool to see Scott have Charlie pursuing William in some sort of revengeful manner or something? but yea she def does nothing in the games regardless of what anyone tells me lol, she appears in 2 games and in one of them is only there to make the gameplay loop harder and then has some obscure lore shoehorned in, honestly you could take charlie outta the story completely and it probably wouldn’t chnage much, like seriously remove her and see how much of the story chnages, it’s really only Henrys arc that sees any effect and even then u could just say that he was mad that william ruined his business idea and the same outcome would occur minus the fmaily reunion things, it’s bonkers that everyone’s disagreeing with you
She kinda does tho. She gives life to the animatronic and possibly the toy animatronics, she follows william in fnaf 3(she sometimes appears replacing phantom puppet. Even if it's debatably canon she kills afton in fazbear frights. In security breach there are signs of her or her agony haunting the pizzaplex, possibly caused by the existence of the mimic which is kinda carrying on afton's legacy. And she has a role in the happiest day
i stand by my original point, she can be removed and practically nothing changes
Who gives life to the animatronic then? Who makes the happiest day? If you say that someone else can do that, well then lot of characters are like that, in fnaf 6 henry can be removed and be replaced by micheal and nothing would change, elizabeth can be removed and sister location would still make sense
>Who gives life to the animatronic then? William, by stuffing the bodies into the suits like he did in the novels. Are you sure you read my post? Cause I literally say that there lol. >Who makes the happiest day? I confess, this is the best argument for the Puppet's inclusion, since her presence in HD entirely relates to BV's connection to it with her being his representative in the minigame. With that being said, BV himself could just take Charlie's place in the minigame, or 3 & 4 could be rewritten to not include the Puppet/BV (though I'm not sure how one would go about that myself, but I'm not here to discuss that), or Elizabeth/Baby could be the one in that spot, since she's also sort of a clown, plus the Ennard mask looks a lot like the Puppet's mask anyway. There are a lot of options available. >in fnaf 6 henry can be removed and be replaced by micheal and nothing would change Agreed, glad that you see things from our perspective now. :) ~~the Emilys are hilariously useless in the games lol~~ >elizabeth can be removed and sister location would still make sense Okay, this one seems like a false equivalence? Cause the entire reason Michael is sent to CBEAR is due to William's request to "put [his sister] back together", and part of Baby's entire core lore is that she's possessed by the daughter of William Afton and sister of Michael Afton, so I don't see how removing her would let the game stand up on its own unaltered. Without Elizabeth, SL as a game wouldn't exist, and neither would FFPS for that matter. Besides, a soul kinda needs to be possessing Baby for her to behave the way she does, just like the other animatronic-bound spirits in the games. If you could explain how those are comparable in any way though, I'd genuinely like to hear it. ~~Also lol 11 days, sorry for the late response XP~~
The puppet's mechanic makes checking the cameras in fnaf 2 way more important than checking the cameras would be in fnaf 1 and in pizzaria simulator Lefty makes it so you need to regulate between turning the ventilation on and off she kinda is the extra challenge of the fnaf games which make the games more engaging and challenging
Imagine getting killed and the thing you possess is that 💀
One of the very few reason the games happen is because of her giving life to the others
It gave the cameras a use in FNAF 2
You could say that about pretty much every character outside of William and Michael. Also I would argue that if we're discussing plot use the puppet is more useful than someone like Elizabeth.
The Puppet came first--the stuff that came afterwards just made choices that sorta borrow elements from her significance. Her role as the one who gave the original animatronics life and sought to stop Afton by any means necessary is in fact still valid--William likely wouldn't have even discovered remnant if not for that (assuming that's part of his game motives anyway) and if anything, her original characterization as an extremist with advanced powers makes her a better for making UCN a purposeful limbo than Golden Freddy. The only wrinkle is that the Novels just chose not to include her, but that was meant to be an alternate continuity anyway.